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Time to switch over to the England game.0
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Replaced by who though? Eddie Howe?Leon said:
If we go out in the next round then Southgate must depart. He has zero charisma, he's a boring coach, and he is wasting oodles of talent. EnoughPhilip_Thompson said:
I'd rather win the group and face Germany at Wembley with 45,000 fans and if we lose we lose than meekly go through as runners up in the group and timidly go out at penalties against who the fudge cares this time in the knock outs.MaxPB said:
Depends, if it's Germany then that's a pretty much guaranteed loss.Leon said:This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy
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And so Scotland leave the stage, timidly
I can't work out whether it's worse to be a Scotland supporter, knowing you are always going to lose, or an England supporter, with a faint hope you might win, which is always crushed2 -
Oh dear0
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When it really comes down to it we have the gerrymandered qualifying process that got us there through the tortuous nations league process, a gerrymandered group system where third gets you through (in this instance) and home advantage. It's hard to think of a more auspicious aligning of the stars to get us out of a group and still...nope.0
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Croatia now second in the group. Crossover!0
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GPT-3MaxPB said:
Replaced by who though? Eddie Howe?Leon said:
If we go out in the next round then Southgate must depart. He has zero charisma, he's a boring coach, and he is wasting oodles of talent. EnoughPhilip_Thompson said:
I'd rather win the group and face Germany at Wembley with 45,000 fans and if we lose we lose than meekly go through as runners up in the group and timidly go out at penalties against who the fudge cares this time in the knock outs.MaxPB said:
Depends, if it's Germany then that's a pretty much guaranteed loss.Leon said:This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy
I'm serious. Time for a robot. An AI robot would have more charisma than Southgate and would have a good grasp of tactics and strategy, unlike Southgate0 -
C'mon Max. Vibes.MaxPB said:
Not sure about Portugal, but there's simply no way we beat Germany in a tournament. It's like Spurs in a cup final, you know the result before the match has even started.Black_Rook said:0 -
Well they're talking about making it 8 groups of 4 so that might make it easier.solarflare said:When it really comes down to it we have the gerrymandered qualifying process that got us there through the tortuous nations league process, a gerrymandered group system where third gets you through (in this instance) and home advantage. It's hard to think of a more auspicious aligning of the stars to get us out of a group and still...nope.
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I used to go to Djibouti at least twice a year - the country of the Afars and Issas. Never made it down to the Depression, but definitely the second hottest place I've been - although with the humidity it felt by far the hottestLeon said:
lolTimT said:
Glad to see they have a supervisor.Leon said:Digging up the salt in the Danakil
It's an insane business. They do it all by hand, and they insist on doing it that way. It is one of the hottest places on earth
They are very friendly people, the Afar - when they are not chopping off your testes to use as a necklace - I got chatting with one of the those guys and he asked where I came from (using impressive English) and I said "Britain"
He obviously had no concept of "Britain" but he said "is that a cold country?" and I said "Yes" and he sighed and looked intensely wistful and yearning. He WANTED to be cold, probably for the first time in his life
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The top half of the draw is not the place to be.SandyRentool said:Croatia now second in the group. Crossover!
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It's really really not enough. We are the biggest chokers in world football. We are like Spain before they suddenly found their mojoJonathan said:
Only one coach has achieved more.Leon said:
If we go out in the next round then Southgate must depart. He has zero charisma, he's a boring coach, and he is wasting oodles of talent. EnoughPhilip_Thompson said:
I'd rather win the group and face Germany at Wembley with 45,000 fans and if we lose we lose than meekly go through as runners up in the group and timidly go out at penalties against who the fudge cares this time in the knock outs.MaxPB said:
Depends, if it's Germany then that's a pretty much guaranteed loss.Leon said:This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy
We have plenty of talent and loads of money and we have the most admired league in the world and we are ranked 4th by FIFA. And yet we are tedious and mediocre and we have only won a single trophy, about 9,000 years ago0 -
Be fair, who else could have coached us to nicking a last minute winner against Tunisia and thrashing Panama?Leon said:
It's really really not enough. We are the biggest chokers in world football. We are like Spain before they suddenly found their mojoJonathan said:
Only one coach has achieved more.Leon said:
If we go out in the next round then Southgate must depart. He has zero charisma, he's a boring coach, and he is wasting oodles of talent. EnoughPhilip_Thompson said:
I'd rather win the group and face Germany at Wembley with 45,000 fans and if we lose we lose than meekly go through as runners up in the group and timidly go out at penalties against who the fudge cares this time in the knock outs.MaxPB said:
Depends, if it's Germany then that's a pretty much guaranteed loss.Leon said:This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy
We have plenty of talent and loads of money and we have the most admired league in the world and we are ranked 4th by FIFA. And yet we are tedious and mediocre and we have only won a single trophy, about 9,000 years ago0 -
What do people remember the most from Euro 2016?tlg86 said:
The top half of the draw is not the place to be.SandyRentool said:Croatia now second in the group. Crossover!
1) Portugal winning the tournament
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2) Portugal finishing third in their group, behind Hungary and Iceland?3 -
I think you'll find we have won two trophies, actually:Leon said:
It's really really not enough. We are the biggest chokers in world football. We are like Spain before they suddenly found their mojoJonathan said:
Only one coach has achieved more.Leon said:
If we go out in the next round then Southgate must depart. He has zero charisma, he's a boring coach, and he is wasting oodles of talent. EnoughPhilip_Thompson said:
I'd rather win the group and face Germany at Wembley with 45,000 fans and if we lose we lose than meekly go through as runners up in the group and timidly go out at penalties against who the fudge cares this time in the knock outs.MaxPB said:
Depends, if it's Germany then that's a pretty much guaranteed loss.Leon said:This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy
We have plenty of talent and loads of money and we have the most admired league in the world and we are ranked 4th by FIFA. And yet we are tedious and mediocre and we have only won a single trophy, about 9,000 years ago
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It's no Kirin Cuptlg86 said:
I think you'll find we have won two trophies, actually:Leon said:
It's really really not enough. We are the biggest chokers in world football. We are like Spain before they suddenly found their mojoJonathan said:
Only one coach has achieved more.Leon said:
If we go out in the next round then Southgate must depart. He has zero charisma, he's a boring coach, and he is wasting oodles of talent. EnoughPhilip_Thompson said:
I'd rather win the group and face Germany at Wembley with 45,000 fans and if we lose we lose than meekly go through as runners up in the group and timidly go out at penalties against who the fudge cares this time in the knock outs.MaxPB said:
Depends, if it's Germany then that's a pretty much guaranteed loss.Leon said:This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy
We have plenty of talent and loads of money and we have the most admired league in the world and we are ranked 4th by FIFA. And yet we are tedious and mediocre and we have only won a single trophy, about 9,000 years ago1 -
Scotland just drooping now. Sad0
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Not sure its energy ,they are playing to a plan. No goals conceded and got thro.is in the plan.. not long to.go to achieve it.Leon said:This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy
That said i have watched zero.mins until the 90th
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Scotland need 3 goals in 2 and a half minutes. Do-able0
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Including tonight.
In their last three tournaments Scotland have scored a total of four goals in nine games.
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Well, at least all the Scottish whippersnappers are now fully inducted into the hall of brief glimmers of hope cruelly extinguished. Years of masochism ahead of you kids.1
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Hey Leon
https://twitter.com/Disclosure89/status/1407426727484137473
You know what Luis Elizondo used to run ?0 -
Scotland easily out-classed, in the end. A bit pathetic0
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Pickford unbeaten. Giant. Flawless.0
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Well, I suppose I'd rather see England go out to Germany than to Portugal.
I really do loathe the Portugal football team. Biggest cheats in Europe. Honorary South Americans.And Cristiano Ronaldo. Ugh.
I quite like the country, mind. Just not the team.0 -
Decent enough win for England.0
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Well, now they can get behind supporting England.....Leon said:Scotland easily out-classed, in the end. A bit pathetic
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Shows how rubbish England are.
We're the only side in the group to drop points against Scotland.0 -
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As my Scottish boss would tell you if the kids have been following the Scottish rugby team in recent years then they will be used to tonight.Theuniondivvie said:Well, at least all the Scottish whippersnappers are now fully inducted into the hall of brief glimmers of hope cruelly extinguished. Years of masochism ahead of you kids.
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Exactly.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd rather win the group and face Germany at Wembley with 45,000 fans and if we lose we lose than meekly go through as runners up in the group and timidly go out at penalties against who the fudge cares this time in the knock outs.MaxPB said:
Depends, if it's Germany then that's a pretty much guaranteed loss.Leon said:This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy
“Let’s draw” or “let’s lose” in order to avoid the runner up of the Group of Death comes across as “let’s settle for a meek quarter-final exit again.”
Because who would we play in the QF if we did play that game?
(And, one assumes, get the benefit by winning the R16 match)
That’s right - the winner of the Group of Death. Whoever outplayed the team we so want to avoid.
(Assuming they also get there. If not, of course, it’s whoever beats the winner of the Group of Death in the R16 match. Either way, if we’re frightened of whoever finishes runner-up in the Group of Death, we should have no chance at whoever ends up better than them).
If we want to win, we’re gonna have to play and beat some good teams.3 -
Ah, Le Tournoitlg86 said:
I think you'll find we have won two trophies, actually:Leon said:
It's really really not enough. We are the biggest chokers in world football. We are like Spain before they suddenly found their mojoJonathan said:
Only one coach has achieved more.Leon said:
If we go out in the next round then Southgate must depart. He has zero charisma, he's a boring coach, and he is wasting oodles of talent. EnoughPhilip_Thompson said:
I'd rather win the group and face Germany at Wembley with 45,000 fans and if we lose we lose than meekly go through as runners up in the group and timidly go out at penalties against who the fudge cares this time in the knock outs.MaxPB said:
Depends, if it's Germany then that's a pretty much guaranteed loss.Leon said:This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy
We have plenty of talent and loads of money and we have the most admired league in the world and we are ranked 4th by FIFA. And yet we are tedious and mediocre and we have only won a single trophy, about 9,000 years ago
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Reminder: Wales have now won as many games in major football championships as Scotland. Scotland have so far appeared in eleven such tournaments; Wales are only on number three.TheScreamingEagles said:Including tonight.
In their last three tournaments Scotland have scored a total of four goals in nine games.
Embarrassing.0 -
Standard Southgate performance....good for 20 mins, then shit. bye bye England in the next round.1
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Has Nicola found a way blaming England for Scotlands defeat yet?
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The Wembley crowd were cheering Croatias goals, so yes I can understand Scots second team being Anyone Playing England.MarqueeMark said:
Well, now they can get behind supporting England.....Leon said:Scotland easily out-classed, in the end. A bit pathetic
's opponents!0 -
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (-5)
LAB: 35% (+1)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 5% (-)
via @SavantaComRes, 17 - 20 Jun
Chgs. w/ 12 Jun
Tabs:
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Lib-DEM SURGE???????Scott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (-5)
LAB: 35% (+1)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 5% (-)
via @SavantaComRes, 17 - 20 Jun
Chgs. w/ 12 Jun
Tabs:
https://deltapoll.co.uk/polls/voteint220621
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They didn't used to. This comes after a decade of the Scot Nats pouring down hatred on the English and England, and everything England means.Foxy said:
The Wembley crowd were cheering Croatias goals, so yes I can understand Scots second team being Anyone Playing England.MarqueeMark said:
Well, now they can get behind supporting England.....Leon said:Scotland easily out-classed, in the end. A bit pathetic
's opponents!
If the Union ends, it will happen because the English have learned to resent and despise the Scots, and they do not feel minded to save the UK. We may end up with nervous Scots clinging on to a Union they hate, where they are not welcome, but which they cannot afford to quit. What a mess3 -
Exclusive
Michael Gove tells me a new Scottish independence referendum will not be granted before the 2024 election.
Goes way beyond the unusual ‘not now’ stance. Means huge clash coming with SNP who want vote by autumn 2023.
Michael Gove: Boris Johnson will not grant new Scottish referendum before next election
PLUS: Read Mr Gove’s exclusive interview with The Telegraph, in which he says PM is UK’s secret weapon in keeping the Union together
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/22/michael-gove-boris-johnson-will-not-grant-new-scottish-referendum/
BIB - I call bullshit.0 -
Wednesday’s Daily TELEGRAPH: “Gove: No new Scottish referendum before next election” #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1407444633328705541/photo/10
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What's the Govester up to this time?TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive
Michael Gove tells me a new Scottish independence referendum will not be granted before the 2024 election.
Goes way beyond the unusual ‘not now’ stance. Means huge clash coming with SNP who want vote by autumn 2023.
Michael Gove: Boris Johnson will not grant new Scottish referendum before next election
PLUS: Read Mr Gove’s exclusive interview with The Telegraph, in which he says PM is UK’s secret weapon in keeping the Union together
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/22/michael-gove-boris-johnson-will-not-grant-new-scottish-referendum/
BIB - I call bullshit.0 -
lolTheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive
Michael Gove tells me a new Scottish independence referendum will not be granted before the 2024 election.
Goes way beyond the unusual ‘not now’ stance. Means huge clash coming with SNP who want vote by autumn 2023.
Michael Gove: Boris Johnson will not grant new Scottish referendum before next election
PLUS: Read Mr Gove’s exclusive interview with The Telegraph, in which he says PM is UK’s secret weapon in keeping the Union together
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/22/michael-gove-boris-johnson-will-not-grant-new-scottish-referendum/
BIB - I call bullshit.
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand0 -
Did they time that revelation for the final whistle?TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive
Michael Gove tells me a new Scottish independence referendum will not be granted before the 2024 election.
Goes way beyond the unusual ‘not now’ stance. Means huge clash coming with SNP who want vote by autumn 2023.
Michael Gove: Boris Johnson will not grant new Scottish referendum before next election
PLUS: Read Mr Gove’s exclusive interview with The Telegraph, in which he says PM is UK’s secret weapon in keeping the Union together
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/22/michael-gove-boris-johnson-will-not-grant-new-scottish-referendum/
BIB - I call bullshit.0 -
Harry Kane certainly doesn't look like a £100 million striker....0
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He just doesn't want to get injured before his big move.FrancisUrquhart said:Harry Kane certainly doesn't look like a £100 million striker....
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Would England be better going the Man City route, no striker, instead Fodon, Grealish and Saka?1
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Beautiful plumage...tired and shagged out after a long squark.FrancisUrquhart said:Harry Kane certainly doesn't look like a £100 million striker....
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He looks injured to me.... i would say looks like treading water, but it is more like drowning.TheScreamingEagles said:
He just doesn't want to get injured before his big move.FrancisUrquhart said:Harry Kane certainly doesn't look like a £100 million striker....
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I certainly think they'd be nuts not to play Saka.FrancisUrquhart said:Would England be better going the Man City route, no striker, instead Fodon, Grealish and Saka?
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File under DidTheJob.Andy_JS said:Decent enough win for England.
Hard to get any enthusiasm going though.1 -
Perhaps he'll conveniently need to self isolate to save Southgate from the dilemma of whether or not to drop his captain.FrancisUrquhart said:Harry Kane certainly doesn't look like a £100 million striker....
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It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.1 -
That means he certainly won't.....LostPassword said:
I certainly think they'd be nuts not to play Saka.FrancisUrquhart said:Would England be better going the Man City route, no striker, instead Fodon, Grealish and Saka?
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To be fair, it’s all the SNP have left really..suits them to talk about Indy to distract from everything elseLeon said:
lolTheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive
Michael Gove tells me a new Scottish independence referendum will not be granted before the 2024 election.
Goes way beyond the unusual ‘not now’ stance. Means huge clash coming with SNP who want vote by autumn 2023.
Michael Gove: Boris Johnson will not grant new Scottish referendum before next election
PLUS: Read Mr Gove’s exclusive interview with The Telegraph, in which he says PM is UK’s secret weapon in keeping the Union together
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/22/michael-gove-boris-johnson-will-not-grant-new-scottish-referendum/
BIB - I call bullshit.
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand0 -
Seeing all the stories about Starmer making more changes to his backroom staff, has the feel of a bad result in the Batley & Spen by-election for Labour on the way. A very bad result. I tend to think that if they thought the by-election was in the balance that they would be concentrating on winning the by-election, rather than shuffling office chairs, and if they were confident of holding the seat, well, there's less impetus to make a change.
Looks to me as though Labour are resigned to another by-election defeat, which would be catastrophic for an opposition party, and he's scrambling to make changes to try to turn around what looks like a doomed leadership.1 -
Too much talking the country down and assuming we have no more gears. I think we do. The hard facts are, we've cruised through with no goals conceded and it could quite conceivably be coming home.3
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Sigh.. England failed to deliver anything like the expected score...
But apparently it's all due to an IT issue and the numbers will be caught up tomorrow.4 -
Apparently the last time that a governing party made two by-election gains in the course of the same Parliament was during the 1920s. Hardly an ideal situation for Labour should this come to pass.LostPassword said:Seeing all the stories about Starmer making more changes to his backroom staff, has the feel of a bad result in the Batley & Spen by-election for Labour on the way. A very bad result. I tend to think that if they thought the by-election was in the balance that they would be concentrating on winning the by-election, rather than shuffling office chairs, and if they were confident of holding the seat, well, there's less impetus to make a change.
Looks to me as though Labour are resigned to another by-election defeat, which would be catastrophic for an opposition party, and he's scrambling to make changes to try to turn around what looks like a doomed leadership.0 -
Dropping a Spurs striker worked out well in 1966...FrancisUrquhart said:Would England be better going the Man City route, no striker, instead Fodon, Grealish and Saka?
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She wants one when she can win it.stodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.0 -
That’s Delta poll not ComResScott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (-5)
LAB: 35% (+1)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 5% (-)
via @SavantaComRes, 17 - 20 Jun
Chgs. w/ 12 Jun
Tabs:
https://deltapoll.co.uk/polls/voteint220621
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But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.1 -
On Batley again: I had it too close to call on various assumptions a few days ago. That Opinium poll with a 6 point lead felt credible though. Looking at my assumptions vs that poll:
I had Galloway taking 1500 votes on a 25k ish turnout and Opinium had 6%, so no need to adjust there
I had local election LD -> Lab/Con switchers from Cleckheaton ward, breaking 62:38 to Labour: Mike's header a couple of days back validates this, but wonder if there true switching will be a tad weaker for Labour.
My main pro Labour adjustment assumed that Leadbeater is personally popular, which I think is the case. In terms of LE -> by switchers net 3% LE Cons supporting her, whether directly or by turnout adjustment. This may be an overstate.
I had swing since May as zero, SKS's further weakness offset by Boris's latest COVID errors on the India variant and local restrictions. I'm just wondering now if unlockdown errors are more electorally forgivable than lockdown errors at this time.
If Opinium are right and I am wrong, the last two things may be where I overstated Labour, and a couple more spring to mind: Lab LE -> Boris switchers (i.e. the start position of the local elections being neck and neck was too Labour favourable and the SKS kicking opportunity - enough of the Brexit minded will see the chance for their vote to actually rid them of another of their Brexit villains gallery to motivate.
I'm now leaning somewhat Tory for the by-election, thinking my neck and neck reading was best case for Labour in a couple of respects.3 -
My current feeling is also negative on this. Any significant Galloway vote will be curtains for Labour.LostPassword said:Seeing all the stories about Starmer making more changes to his backroom staff, has the feel of a bad result in the Batley & Spen by-election for Labour on the way. A very bad result. I tend to think that if they thought the by-election was in the balance that they would be concentrating on winning the by-election, rather than shuffling office chairs, and if they were confident of holding the seat, well, there's less impetus to make a change.
Looks to me as though Labour are resigned to another by-election defeat, which would be catastrophic for an opposition party, and he's scrambling to make changes to try to turn around what looks like a doomed leadership.0 -
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.0 -
She can start to lay out the plan then. Currency, finances, let’s have it.kinabalu said:
She wants one when she can win it.stodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.
Or she can continue to blame the English, because that’s what Sturgeon does. Then wraps it up in “inclusive and caring” Scotland PR2 -
The downside of that the fans of the Spanners tell the world it was West Ham who won the world cup.tlg86 said:
Dropping a Spurs striker worked out well in 1966...FrancisUrquhart said:Would England be better going the Man City route, no striker, instead Fodon, Grealish and Saka?
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He's still half a yard short of fitness. Hopefully the next week will help him get match fitness.FrancisUrquhart said:Harry Kane certainly doesn't look like a £100 million striker....
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She'll just do whatever is best for building support for independence.Razedabode said:
She can start to lay out the plan then. Currency, finances, let’s have it.kinabalu said:
She wants one when she can win it.stodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.
Or she can continue to blame the English, because that’s what Sturgeon does. Then wraps it up in “inclusive and caring” Scotland PR0 -
Except imagine if it ever actually happened.Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.
Rejoiners: "Ha ha ha, Brexit destroyed Britain, LOL! Bet you feel REALLY stupid now, don't you?"
About 92% of Leave voters in England: *shoulder shrug* "Oh well, they got what they wanted. Now, where are we going to spend all that extra money?"1 -
The truth is we cannot know. England could come alight in the next round or be snuffed out easier than cheap candle. How did the current European champions do in the group stages of Euro 2016?kinabalu said:Too much talking the country down and assuming we have no more gears. I think we do. The hard facts are, we've cruised through with no goals conceded and it could quite conceivably be coming home.
Personally, I'd be more pessimistic if we'd won our three group games 4-0, since we'd be over-confident and due an off-game.1 -
Not in the same year, but:Black_Rook said:
Apparently the last time that a governing party made two by-election gains in the course of the same Parliament was during the 1920s. Hardly an ideal situation for Labour should this come to pass.LostPassword said:Seeing all the stories about Starmer making more changes to his backroom staff, has the feel of a bad result in the Batley & Spen by-election for Labour on the way. A very bad result. I tend to think that if they thought the by-election was in the balance that they would be concentrating on winning the by-election, rather than shuffling office chairs, and if they were confident of holding the seat, well, there's less impetus to make a change.
Looks to me as though Labour are resigned to another by-election defeat, which would be catastrophic for an opposition party, and he's scrambling to make changes to try to turn around what looks like a doomed leadership.
May 1961: Bristol SE
March 1960: Brighouse and Spenborough
were both Lab to Con in the same Parliament.
And Labour went on to win in 1964, albeit after Hugh Gaitskell's death and replacement by Harold Wilson.
(David Frost voice:) Sorry, Hugh.0 -
Who was predicting "Peak Boris has passed?"
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 44% (+3)
LAB: 30% (-4)
LDEM: 10% (+2)
GRN: 5% (-1)
via @SavantaComRes, 18 - 20 Jun Chgs. w/ 13 Jun
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1407442486986002439?s=200 -
I think it was the person who bet and called the Tories losing C&A.CarlottaVance said:Who was predicting "Peak Boris has passed?"
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 44% (+3)
LAB: 30% (-4)
LDEM: 10% (+2)
GRN: 5% (-1)
via @SavantaComRes, 18 - 20 Jun Chgs. w/ 13 Jun
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1407442486986002439?s=201 -
Of course. We are all wankers. But Remoaners are TOTAL wankers. A breed apartTheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.1 -
She doesn’t want one. She has too much wokery to inflict on Scots first. She will only go for one when she is guaranteed to win it.kinabalu said:
She wants one when she can win it.stodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.0 -
Or an election in May 2023TheScreamingEagles said:Exclusive
Michael Gove tells me a new Scottish independence referendum will not be granted before the 2024 election.
Goes way beyond the unusual ‘not now’ stance. Means huge clash coming with SNP who want vote by autumn 2023.
Michael Gove: Boris Johnson will not grant new Scottish referendum before next election
PLUS: Read Mr Gove’s exclusive interview with The Telegraph, in which he says PM is UK’s secret weapon in keeping the Union together
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/22/michael-gove-boris-johnson-will-not-grant-new-scottish-referendum/
BIB - I call bullshit.0 -
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What's additionally peculiar is that they are diverging. A 3% swing to Lab in that one. Which is pretty big over a week, if still MOE. Swing to Cons in others.isam said:
That’s Delta poll not ComResScott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (-5)
LAB: 35% (+1)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 5% (-)
via @SavantaComRes, 17 - 20 Jun
Chgs. w/ 12 Jun
Tabs:
https://deltapoll.co.uk/polls/voteint220621
Two 14 pointers and a six today, how queer0 -
John Rentoul
@JohnRentoul
There’s no point to the Lib Dems says
@Dannythefink
https://thetimes.co.uk/article/there-is-no-point-to-the-liberal-democrats-pp0kwm292
The Liberals aren't socialists. Nor do they want to be. End of.
Next...0 -
Really? I reckon Italy have a much better chance of winning the thing, because they've scored more goals, and looked like scoring more goals, than England have. I'd much rather be in Italy's position than England's.Benpointer said:
The truth is we cannot know. England could come alight in the next round or be snuffed out easier than cheap candle. How did the current European champions do in the group stages of Euro 2016?kinabalu said:Too much talking the country down and assuming we have no more gears. I think we do. The hard facts are, we've cruised through with no goals conceded and it could quite conceivably be coming home.
Personally, I'd be more pessimistic if we'd won our three group games 4-0, since we'd be over-confident and due an off-game.0 -
I hope we are all singing the new anthem on Friday...Leon said:
Of course. We are all wankers. But Remoaners are TOTAL wankers. A breed apartTheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.
We're encouraging schools across the UK to celebrate One Britain One Nation Day on 25 June, when children can learn about our shared values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
#OBONDAY21 @1Britain1Nation
For more information:
https://t.co/y7PQblUeDN
https://twitter.com/educationgovuk/status/1406990765906145281?s=190 -
Outlier, probably. Seems to be a reasonably consistent gap of around 10pts, on average, since the local elections.dixiedean said:
What's additionally peculiar is that they are diverging. A 3% swing to Lab in that one. Which is pretty big over a week, if still MOE. Swing to Cons in others.isam said:
That’s Delta poll not ComResScott_xP said:Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (-5)
LAB: 35% (+1)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 5% (-)
via @SavantaComRes, 17 - 20 Jun
Chgs. w/ 12 Jun
Tabs:
https://deltapoll.co.uk/polls/voteint220621
Two 14 pointers and a six today, how queer
Some suggestion of Lib Dems doing slightly better (at expense of the Greens) since C&A, but we'll see if that lasts.
NB Deltapoll's SNP number is definitely wonky. Same last time around as well. I know, subsamples and all that, but they keep reporting them on 2%. Nobody else does this.1 -
Not to mention France, Begium, the Dutch, Germany.LostPassword said:
Really? I reckon Italy have a much better chance of winning the thing, because they've scored more goals, and looked like scoring more goals, than England have. I'd much rather be in Italy's position than England's.Benpointer said:
The truth is we cannot know. England could come alight in the next round or be snuffed out easier than cheap candle. How did the current European champions do in the group stages of Euro 2016?kinabalu said:Too much talking the country down and assuming we have no more gears. I think we do. The hard facts are, we've cruised through with no goals conceded and it could quite conceivably be coming home.
Personally, I'd be more pessimistic if we'd won our three group games 4-0, since we'd be over-confident and due an off-game.
We look very solid. But have shown no evidence of having the urgency or creativity to step it up should we concede.
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Proclaimers? Gove is Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:Wanker(s)
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Really, who said that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.0 -
Really, who said that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.0 -
Really, who said that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.0 -
Lol, more fake than that bloke that tried to do Scoddish in Peaky Blinders.
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Blimey, I guess hit the send button too many times0
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Why not just use countries - there are 200 of those?TimT said:
Arabic adds a further 28: make that 33 if you add the additional letters from Farsi and UrduBlack_Rook said:
We just need to use some additional alphabets. Russian and Hebrew buy us another 55 letters, which should see us out to October at least...solarflare said:
We're going to need a bigger alphabetglw said:
Oh FFS!FrancisUrquhart said:BREAKING: India's health ministry describes Delta Plus, a new mutation of the Delta coronavirus variant, as a Variant of Concern https://t.co/8QZrqIpCiW
Also: poor Scotland.0 -
Snowflakes such as Laurence Fox and PB's Leon.MrEd said:
Really, who said that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.1 -
Lee Anderson MP also.TheScreamingEagles said:
Snowflakes such as Laurence Fox and PB's Leon.MrEd said:
Really, who said that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.0 -
Another traitor.dixiedean said:
Lee Anderson MP also.TheScreamingEagles said:
Snowflakes such as Laurence Fox and PB's Leon.MrEd said:
Really, who said that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.0 -
So, who's first to suggest that it is White Privilege for Kane to start ahead of DCL or Marcus Rashford?TheScreamingEagles said:
Snowflakes such as Laurence Fox and PB's Leon.MrEd said:
Really, who said that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, are people who want England to lose their matches at Euro 2020 as punishment for England players taking the knee also wankers?Leon said:
But you have to feel for the Remoaners, on here and elsewhere, who have a badly disguised hunger for Scotland to leave the Union, breaking up the country, as some kind of *punishment* for Brexit. Wankersstodge said:
It's not a question of @HYUFD being right - it's called politics and anyone with half a functioning brain cell will realise the status quo suits BOTH Johnson and Sturgeon perfectly.Leon said:
HYUFD was always right on this. Boris will just say No. What can the Nats do? It's not like the Scots are screaming for a new vote: they are not. Nor does Nicola want to call a potentially dream-ending, career-ending, SNP-ending 2nd indyref, which she would probably lose, as things stand
He keeps saying NO to a second referendum to appease the Conservative Unionist faithful which suits Sturgeon as she a) neither wants nor needs a second referendum and b) can continue to blame Boris Johnson and the perfidious English for anything and everything.
She can continue agitating for a second referendum safe in the knowledge a) she won't get one and b) Johnson will continue to bolster her support by continuing to deny it and that plays to the Nationalist agenda.
Lights blue touch paper and retires...2 -
All true. That said, the quarter final is not looking too difficult, if we can make it past whoever comes second in the France group.dixiedean said:
Not to mention France, Begium, the Dutch, Germany.LostPassword said:
Really? I reckon Italy have a much better chance of winning the thing, because they've scored more goals, and looked like scoring more goals, than England have. I'd much rather be in Italy's position than England's.Benpointer said:
The truth is we cannot know. England could come alight in the next round or be snuffed out easier than cheap candle. How did the current European champions do in the group stages of Euro 2016?kinabalu said:Too much talking the country down and assuming we have no more gears. I think we do. The hard facts are, we've cruised through with no goals conceded and it could quite conceivably be coming home.
Personally, I'd be more pessimistic if we'd won our three group games 4-0, since we'd be over-confident and due an off-game.
We look very solid. But have shown no evidence of having the urgency or creativity to step it up should we concede.
Can't just switch it on0
