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Can Dom’s Commons committee appearance on Wednesday possibly live up to its billing? – politicalbett

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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    +1

    It is very strange that only the Finns seem to be copying us on dosing strategy.
    Though they've not gone for a full 12 week schedule they are dragging it out now without advertising the fact so much.

    As of yesterday the EU have 15% fully vaccinated, which was their first vaccinated percentage on 10 April (both figures Our World In Data)

    That means the average is now about a six and a half week gap which is longer than they were doing even if not 12 weeks gap yet.

    Their first doses are going up much faster than second doses and have for a while now.

    Still seeing daily deaths though. How many lives could be saved if they'd just drag it to 12 and drop their pride.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    Currently

    - Lots of revenue from NASA
    - Lots from US DoD
    - Lots from external commercial
    - Tons of work at a low margin for Starlink

    The launch cost is one thing - they make alot of money providing the ancillary services around the actual launch.
    Just wow though. SpaceX is exactly what we can do when it goes well. Did I say 'wow'?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280
    rcs1000 said:

    Ah, I didn't know that. Looks like the Directors will avoid serious sanctions.

    Still, it leaves a *really* bad taste in the mouth.
    Either the directors are really stupid or it was a ponzi scheme from the start. Should be a priority investigation and charged if at all possible, but imagine it gets filed as too complicated to bother with and the establishment quietly forget it ever happened.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Foxy said:

    The recommended dosing regime seems to have worked very well in Israel.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-lift-all-covid-restrictions-on-gatherings-as-virus-fades/amp/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
    Israel is a tiny country that had the world's best supply deal, probably about double what we had slated in the same timeframe.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Foxy said:

    The recommended dosing regime seems to have worked very well in Israel.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-lift-all-covid-restrictions-on-gatherings-as-virus-fades/amp/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
    No, having sufficient vaccines has worked well in Israel.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,362
    Foxy said:

    The recommended dosing regime seems to have worked very well in Israel.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-lift-all-covid-restrictions-on-gatherings-as-virus-fades/amp/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
    Anywhere else?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,510
    edited May 2021
    dixiedean said:

    Taiwan on 6 deaths 2 days in a row. Similar to here. We are over it, they are just at the beginning...

    They have a third of our population.

    I wonder if they have similar vaccine-sceptical groups?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    MaxPB said:

    Israel is a tiny country that had the world's best supply deal, probably about double what we had slated in the same timeframe.
    When you visit Ireland you think that this would be such a great country if only they all got on. With Israel it's that in spades.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,275
    edited May 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Israel is a tiny country that had the world's best supply deal, probably about double what we had slated in the same timeframe.
    No, just saying that the original dosage regime is highly efficacious.

    You were making a case based upon immunity in individuals.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Bearing in mind the Lufthansa flight shenanigans it looks like Minsk is trying to pick a fight, rather than to calm things down after snatching the guy they were after.

    I can't work out what their objective is.
    Surely Lufty is just “proving” they take security seriously and it wasn’t just made up to catch the dissident on the Ryanair flight?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Best this doesn’t happen:

    "We are working on a package of measures that go beyond sanctions against individuals" and may also suspend ground transit links with the EU, President Emmanuel Macron's office said.

    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL5N2NB1UQ?__twitter_impression=true
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    edited May 2021

    Withdraw the award NOW




    If I had awoken from a 30 year coma and saw that picture without any context, I would immediately say: That's from Eurovision, isn't it?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,362
    edited May 2021
    Foxy said:

    No, just saying that the original dosage regime is highly efficacious.

    You were making a case based upon immunity in individuals.
    So it's better that fewer people are protected to a slightly greater extent?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191
    rcs1000 said:

    Ten years ago, commercial space launch was c. 40% Europe, 30% Russia, 20% Asia, 10% USA.

    It's now something like 60% SpaceX, and everyone else has been decimated.

    I can't see how (absent massive government subsidies) any of the legacy players survive. They are compeltely un-cost-competitive. (Boeing SLS's fuel cost alone is more than the total cost of an entire SpaceX mission. And that is a completely unreusable rocket.)
    The problem is that if all the competition disappears what happens to SpaceX prices?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Foxy said:

    No, just saying that the original dosage regime is highly efficacious.
    Absolutely it is, but that doesn't mean our dosing strategy was a bad idea. Both can be good at the same time. The circumstances of EU vaccine supply were nothing like Israel's. They and most of the rest of the world except the US had champagne taste and beer money. We had prosecco taste and prosecco money.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Foxy said:

    The recommended dosing regime seems to have worked very well in Israel.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-lift-all-covid-restrictions-on-gatherings-as-virus-fades/amp/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
    I don't think anyone said it wouldn't, did they? Just that in a time of crisis if you don't have the numbers to go as fast as Israel was, that maximising first doses is the most effective way to go, in ensuring more people get some protection sooner.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191
    kle4 said:

    If I had awoken from a 30 year coma and saw that picture without any context, I would immediately say : That's from Eurovision, isn't it?
    30 year comas are one of the recognised side effects.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Fishing said:

    They have a third of our population.

    I wonder if they have similar vaccine-sceptical groups?
    I think the issue there is that Taiwan are worried about China interfering with their vaccine supplies or even Chinese vaccines in general. The number of takers in either Taiwan or HK for Chinese vaccines is very low.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,419

    Though they've not gone for a full 12 week schedule they are dragging it out now without advertising the fact so much.

    As of yesterday the EU have 15% fully vaccinated, which was their first vaccinated percentage on 10 April (both figures Our World In Data)

    That means the average is now about a six and a half week gap which is longer than they were doing even if not 12 weeks gap yet.

    Their first doses are going up much faster than second doses and have for a while now.

    Still seeing daily deaths though. How many lives could be saved if they'd just drag it to 12 and drop their pride.
    Different EU countries are following different tacks - but (as you say) most are prioritizing first doses, which is (belatedly) absolutely the right decision.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    Ten years ago, commercial space launch was c. 40% Europe, 30% Russia, 20% Asia, 10% USA.

    It's now something like 60% SpaceX, and everyone else has been decimated.

    I can't see how (absent massive government subsidies) any of the legacy players survive. They are compeltely un-cost-competitive. (Boeing SLS's fuel cost alone is more than the total cost of an entire SpaceX mission. And that is a completely unreusable rocket.)
    Decimated?

    If SpaceX have gone to 60% then everyone else must have lost more than a tenth of their share.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    DavidL said:

    30 year comas are one of the recognised side effects.
    When I was at Uni I recall a health poster of some kind which told the students to go to the doctors and report etc if they had any of the following symptoms, one of which was 'coma'. I hope they weren't relying on self reporting as the poster implied.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    felix said:

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    3m
    Westminster Voting Intention (24 May):

    Conservative 43% (+1)
    Labour 33% (–)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Scottish National Party 4% (–)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 6% (+1)

    Tied lowest Lab % since 5/2020

    Changes +/- 17 May

    I never thought a 10 point lead would be disappointing 😂
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    Absolutely it is, but that doesn't mean our dosing strategy was a bad idea. Both can be good at the same time. The circumstances of EU vaccine supply were nothing like Israel's. They and most of the rest of the world except the US had champagne taste and beer money. We had prosecco taste and prosecco money.
    Best. Analogy. Ever. 😂
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    I think I have an ingenious explanation.

    What we've seen over the past couple of decades is that the internet is very effective at spreading conspiracy theories (9/11 truthers, the birthers, QAnon, etc) and all the attempts to combat them have failed. Snopes, et al, fight a good fight, but it's a losing battle.

    Ultimately, fake news has won over the truth, because it can be made more fun and appealing when not encumbered by the facts. So what to do?

    What this might be is an attempt to drive out damaging conspiracy theories, those that lead people to riot at the Capitol, with a harmless conspiracy theory about aliens. If people are preoccupied with grainy UFO videos, then they aren't trading stories about dead grandmas who voted for Biden, and the risk of American democracy collapsing is reduced slightly.
    Trump, despite all his faults, must have acted like a bit of a flushing mechanism.

    Biden, for all his good points, might well progress the veil.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Ha!

    https://twitter.com/mocent0/status/1396563894886354944

    I’m on my way to London to meet Owen Jones, who my Bradshaw’s guide describes as the biggest narcissistic arsehole in the western world”
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I think I have an ingenious explanation.

    What we've seen over the past couple of decades is that the internet is very effective at spreading conspiracy theories (9/11 truthers, the birthers, QAnon, etc) and all the attempts to combat them have failed. Snopes, et al, fight a good fight, but it's a losing battle.

    Ultimately, fake news has won over the truth, because it can be made more fun and appealing when not encumbered by the facts. So what to do?

    What this might be is an attempt to drive out damaging conspiracy theories, those that lead people to riot at the Capitol, with a harmless conspiracy theory about aliens. If people are preoccupied with grainy UFO videos, then they aren't trading stories about dead grandmas who voted for Biden, and the risk of American democracy collapsing is reduced slightly.
    I suggested that too.

    Conspiracy detox I said.

    Explains why many Democrats are doing a nudge nudge wink wink remark about this without actually saying anything remarkable, while some Q pushers are grinding their teeth about the whole thing.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    MaxPB said:


    It doesn't. The actual expert I spoke to (and who's predictions have been absolutely on the money all the way through) said that the lengthened gap between doses would give better medium term protection as the body tends to produce a better immune response that way and neutralising antibody presence is stretched out so people aren't only relying on long term immunity from t/b cells. If we had an actually serious variant unlike this India one and we had been vaccinating to schedule all of our groups 1-4, the most vulnerable plus healthcare workers, would have had their second dose three months ago and their neutralising antibody presence would be waning. With lesser binding efficiency that can result in more mild infections as well as higher levels of infectiousness among the vaccinated.

    Honestly, our dosing strategy was a stroke of genius and the rest of the world should have followed suit as soon as we announced it rather than tried to undermine it. The fact that people are still trying to do so despite the clear success of the strategy speaks more about their own state of mind either about Boris, Hancock, the Tories in general or maybe even brexit. All of these factors unrelated to that decision are entering people's thought process. They're starting from an end point of "I hate Boris and everything he does is wrong so this is also wrong".

    I thought initially we should have followed the advice given by Pfizer and given the second dose after 21 days.

    I was wrong.

    It would be good if those who profess uncritical adulation of Johnson and the Government, instead of berating those of us who exercise our right to scrutinise and ask questions, were prepared to contemplate the possibility mistakes have been made and there is a right to hold Ministers and the Prime Ministers to account (and that includes those who seem to want to make scientists the scapegoats - scientists aren't elected, Ministers are and ultimately the responsibility and the authority stops with them).
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,718
    kle4 said:

    If I had awoken from a 30 year coma and saw that picture without any context, I would immediately say: That's from Eurovision, isn't it?
    Spinal Tap II?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012
    DavidL said:

    30 year comas are one of the recognised side effects.
    Only of you watch it. I don't think i have watched in any measurable amount in the last 30 years.or so.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,831
    The Belarus dissident story is horrific in so many ways
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    At #EUCO we will focus on the unacceptable hijacking of the Ryanair flight by Belarus authorities.

    We will not leave this unanswered.

    Leaders will discuss options for additional sanctions…..

    These sanctions will cover:
    • Individuals involved in this hijacking
    • Businesses that finance the regime
    • The aviation sector

    We will keep pressure on the regime until it respects the freedom of opinion and of the media.

    Roman Pratasevich must be released immediately


    https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1396875872376967168?s=20

    Surely the EC means "Roman Pratsevich must be released unharmed/alive immediately." The statement as worded would seem to leave Belarus with a bunch of unsavory options.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945

    I suggested that too.

    Conspiracy detox I said.

    Explains why many Democrats are doing a nudge nudge wink wink remark about this without actually saying anything remarkable, while some Q pushers are grinding their teeth about the whole thing.
    Possibly also the only potential scenario in which there might be some bipartisanship too.
    Or maybe not.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    BigRich said:

    Thanks for that, I thought I would look up Taiwan, it seems they are on only 0.14% of total population vaccinated, which seems very low for a rich nation. At least according to the 'our would in data' website:

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

    Has china put presser of the big pharma, to not sell to them? or did they miss the opportunity to buy? or something else?
    Fosun Pharma, a Chinese company, has the Asian rights to Pfizer. They are declining to sell to Taiwan
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    rcs1000 said:

    +1

    It is very strange that only the Finns seem to be copying us on dosing strategy.
    My parents-in-law in Ireland have received an AZ first dose and were told to expect the second after 12-16 weeks.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    stodge said:

    I thought initially we should have followed the advice given by Pfizer and given the second dose after 21 days.

    I was wrong.

    It would be good if those who profess uncritical adulation of Johnson and the Government, instead of berating those of us who exercise our right to scrutinise and ask questions, were prepared to contemplate the possibility mistakes have been made and there is a right to hold Ministers and the Prime Ministers to account (and that includes those who seem to want to make scientists the scapegoats - scientists aren't elected, Ministers are and ultimately the responsibility and the authority stops with them).
    I wish we had any opposition party willing to do such a thing, Stodge. As you know I've been a constant critic of the government and the way it has handled everything other than vaccines. There's no party or politician who wants my vote at the moment.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    Leon said:

    The Belarus dissident story is horrific in so many ways

    My impression is that it gets much worse in the east. Oddly Russia seems to be a centre of being ghastly.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Charles said:

    Fosun Pharma, a Chinese company, has the Asian rights to Pfizer. They are declining to sell to Taiwan
    That gets be really angary!!!!

    There is a lot of talk about the Lab leek Vs the wet market, and Chines Communist Party may be to blame for the leek and the cover up, but that's just a theory at least at the moment, and even if accurate knowing the ancear will not help us now.

    But stopping Taiwan getting access to a Vaccine, is really bad, it will cost lives, and yet there is little talk about it. errrrrr
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565

    My parents-in-law in Ireland have received an AZ first dose and were told to expect the second after 12-16 weeks.
    As a counter to Pagel:

    Devan Sinha
    @DevanSinha
    Replying to
    @DevanSinha
    Summary:

    - 1 dose VE vs B1.617.2 is likely reduced but this is less certain than presented.

    - VE will be higher than headline reported results.

    - 2 dose minimally affected - may take 10ks matched cases to say if difference at all.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    BigRich said:

    That gets be really angary!!!!

    There is a lot of talk about the Lab leek Vs the wet market, and Chines Communist Party may be to blame for the leek and the cover up, but that's just a theory at least at the moment, and even if accurate knowing the ancear will not help us now.

    But stopping Taiwan getting access to a Vaccine, is really bad, it will cost lives, and yet there is little talk about it. errrrrr
    They refused to allow WHO to give Taiwan any information at the beginning of the pandemic
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191

    Only of you watch it. I don't think i have watched in any measurable amount in the last 30 years.or so.
    Your posting record on here would tend to support that. I used to switch it on for the voting but I haven't done even that for 6 or more years.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Charles said:

    Fosun Pharma, a Chinese company, has the Asian rights to Pfizer. They are declining to sell to Taiwan
    It's completely ridiculous. Taiwan will need to wait for Biden to send Moderna doses there in the next few weeks.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,609
    TimT said:

    Surely the EC means "Roman Pratsevich must be released unharmed/alive immediately." The statement as worded would seem to leave Belarus with a bunch of unsavory options.
    It's probably too late to release him unharmed.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    It's probably too late to release him unharmed.
    Yep. Hence the /alive
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    DavidL said:

    Your posting record on here would tend to support that. I used to switch it on for the voting but I haven't done even that for 6 or more years.
    I think the year of F***s Bizz was the last time I watched.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,419

    Decimated?

    If SpaceX have gone to 60% then everyone else must have lost more than a tenth of their share.
    Yes, yes, your pedantry is much appreciated :smile:

    Basically, US launches from people other SpaceX have gone to zero, while everyone else has seen their launches cut in half.

    The order books are even uglier: SpaceX probably has 70% of the contracted launches for the next couple of years, with a few other new upstarts getting 5% (or a little more) and just 25% left between traditional launchers from Europe, Asia and Russia.

    It's going to be particularly hard on Russia, as their space programme was - alongside commodities - one of the very few things to bring in foreign currency.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,686
    Amazon . com Inc. is nearing a deal to buy the Hollywood studio MGM Holdings for almost $9 billion, said people familiar with the matter, a pact that would turn a film operation founded in the silent era into a streaming asset for the e-commerce giant.

    An agreement could be announced as early as this week, people close to the situation said.

    The deal would mark Amazon’s second-largest acquisition in history, behind its $13.7 billion deal for Whole Foods in 2017, and highlight the premium that content is commanding as streaming wars force consolidation and drive bigger players to bulk up with assets that help them compete.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-nears-deal-to-buy-hollywood-studio-mgm-11621880759
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191

    Amazon . com Inc. is nearing a deal to buy the Hollywood studio MGM Holdings for almost $9 billion, said people familiar with the matter, a pact that would turn a film operation founded in the silent era into a streaming asset for the e-commerce giant.

    An agreement could be announced as early as this week, people close to the situation said.

    The deal would mark Amazon’s second-largest acquisition in history, behind its $13.7 billion deal for Whole Foods in 2017, and highlight the premium that content is commanding as streaming wars force consolidation and drive bigger players to bulk up with assets that help them compete.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-nears-deal-to-buy-hollywood-studio-mgm-11621880759

    I am slightly surprised by their lack of ambition. It is surely a matter of time before they buy a country and move their seat there. Somewhere modest but with some growth potential like Australia or Canada.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    Yes, yes, your pedantry is much appreciated :smile:

    Basically, US launches from people other SpaceX have gone to zero, while everyone else has seen their launches cut in half.

    The order books are even uglier: SpaceX probably has 70% of the contracted launches for the next couple of years, with a few other new upstarts getting 5% (or a little more) and just 25% left between traditional launchers from Europe, Asia and Russia.

    It's going to be particularly hard on Russia, as their space programme was - alongside commodities - one of the very few things to bring in foreign currency.
    Indeed.

    One of the best reasons to take climate change seriously is to turn off the Middle East and Russia's commodity currency.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Belarus says the bomb threat came from Hamas

    Hamas says "you what"

    https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1396892606693625864
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Amazon . com Inc. is nearing a deal to buy the Hollywood studio MGM Holdings for almost $9 billion, said people familiar with the matter, a pact that would turn a film operation founded in the silent era into a streaming asset for the e-commerce giant.

    An agreement could be announced as early as this week, people close to the situation said.

    The deal would mark Amazon’s second-largest acquisition in history, behind its $13.7 billion deal for Whole Foods in 2017, and highlight the premium that content is commanding as streaming wars force consolidation and drive bigger players to bulk up with assets that help them compete.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-nears-deal-to-buy-hollywood-studio-mgm-11621880759

    I'm very good friends with someone who was involved in the last purchase of MGM. He was laughing his arse off at that price this weekend over a drink. He explained how little value there is left in the MGM stable. Their best IP except James Bond has been sold to WB in the previous break up, leaving James Bond, a once every three years franchise that they only own 50% of the rights to, giving them 20% of the gross BO take.

    It seems mad to buy them instead of Lionsgate.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    I'm really looking forward to it for two reasons.

    1) The people who said last April time that Dom Cummings is a man of unimpeachable integrity, we should believe every word he says and now will tell us to ignore what he says because he's always been a fantasist with an axe to grind

    and

    2) The people who said last April time that Dom Cummings is a liar and fantasist but now we should believe everything he says.

    You don't get to see that epic level of reverse ferreting very often.
    I think it is going to be his usual nonsense. I seem to recall that at the time I thought it was ill advised but no wrong of him to get out of London, if only for the reason that in a farmhouse somewhere he would be much less likely to infect others, and he would have help to look after his child if both he and his wife got really ill. The one thing that was indefensible was his trip to BC. I think if you had to defend someone of the first but I would, but the eye test nonsense has entered the culture for a reason - it was beyond belief. Even if true this guy is supposed to be clever - how did he ever do it?

    I think most people will still think he is a tool like they did before. Boris is lucky to have him as an enemy, a bit like Corbyn.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    I hope this is just a rumour

    https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1396893124023160834

    According to his mother, Roman Protasevich is in hospital in critical condition - heart disease.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191
    MaxPB said:

    I'm very good friends with someone who was involved in the last purchase of MGM. He was laughing his arse off at that price this weekend over a drink. He explained how little value there is left in the MGM stable. Their best IP except James Bond has been sold to WB in the previous break up, leaving James Bond, a once every three years franchise that they only own 50% of the rights to, giving them 20% of the gross BO take.

    It seems mad to buy them instead of Lionsgate.
    Maybe they wanted the studios to boost production for their TV channel.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,569
    Floater said:

    Belarus says the bomb threat came from Hamas

    Hamas says "you what"

    https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1396892606693625864

    I wonder if the Belarusian government are altogether wise to be blaming a bunch of dangerous terrorists for their own crimes.

    I mean, of all the people in the world I would be reluctant to piss off, a bunch of violent mass murderers with access to ample munitions would be near the top of the list.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    DavidL said:

    Maybe they wanted the studios to boost production for their TV channel.
    MGM doesn't have a lot of internal studio capacity. It's a glorified IP holding company these days with UA making a James Bond movie once every three years in partnership with Universal (previously SPE). I think the last major TV IP they had was Stargate, which is very old now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,569
    DavidL said:

    I am slightly surprised by their lack of ambition. It is surely a matter of time before they buy a country and move their seat there. Somewhere modest but with some growth potential like Australia or Canada.
    They could buy China, perhaps?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,675
    RobD said:

    Whatever happened to fact-checking. ;)
    Oooops. Hoof-in-Mouth strikes again.


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327

    It would be hilarious (and very upsetting for his fanbois) if it were revealed that Bozo had attempted to procrastinate over the vaccination process or something similar.
    Whatever it is, it won't stick. Boris invented the vaccines. You saw him in the lab inventing them, we all did
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Amazon . com Inc. is nearing a deal to buy the Hollywood studio MGM Holdings for almost $9 billion, said people familiar with the matter, a pact that would turn a film operation founded in the silent era into a streaming asset for the e-commerce giant.

    An agreement could be announced as early as this week, people close to the situation said.

    The deal would mark Amazon’s second-largest acquisition in history, behind its $13.7 billion deal for Whole Foods in 2017, and highlight the premium that content is commanding as streaming wars force consolidation and drive bigger players to bulk up with assets that help them compete.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-nears-deal-to-buy-hollywood-studio-mgm-11621880759

    But are they making a profit yet?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012
    DavidL said:

    I am slightly surprised by their lack of ambition. It is surely a matter of time before they buy a country and move their seat there. Somewhere modest but with some growth potential like Australia or Canada.
    How about Scotland?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    How about Scotland?
    And what do they spend the other 8.99 Billion on?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,569

    Whatever it is, it won't stick. Boris invented the vaccines. You saw him in the lab inventing them, we all did
    We have always been at war with Eastasia.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012
    MattW said:

    Oooops. Hoof-in-Mouth strikes again.


    She was the future once...
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    rcs1000 said:

    Yes, yes, your pedantry is much appreciated :smile:

    Basically, US launches from people other SpaceX have gone to zero, while everyone else has seen their launches cut in half.

    The order books are even uglier: SpaceX probably has 70% of the contracted launches for the next couple of years, with a few other new upstarts getting 5% (or a little more) and just 25% left between traditional launchers from Europe, Asia and Russia.

    It's going to be particularly hard on Russia, as their space programme was - alongside commodities - one of the very few things to bring in foreign currency.
    what sort of market share has Rocket Lab got? i'm guessing there in the 5% you mention, but I think they are growing quite fast.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191
    ydoethur said:

    They could buy China, perhaps?
    I think that's a little out of their price range. Even for Amazon.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    MattW said:

    Oooops. Hoof-in-Mouth strikes again.


    I remember that period. Definitely at the time he was being strongly criticised for being absent from Covid meetings.... about flooding in England.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191

    How about Scotland?
    They'd probably get a much better deal from the administrators a few years after we got independence.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,569
    DavidL said:

    I think that's a little out of their price range. Even for Amazon.
    Depends on whether we’re talking about the republic or the People’s Republic.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012
    DavidL said:

    They'd probably get a much better deal from the administrators a few years after we got independence.
    Gordon Brown would save Scotland. He saved the world once....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,831
    Bleak stories in the Guardian about the Indian variant and ‘more lockdowns’. God save us
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191
    MaxPB said:

    MGM doesn't have a lot of internal studio capacity. It's a glorified IP holding company these days with UA making a James Bond movie once every three years in partnership with Universal (previously SPE). I think the last major TV IP they had was Stargate, which is very old now.
    That seems a very weird deal then.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    DavidL said:

    They'd probably get a much better deal from the administrators a few years after we got independence.
    Amazon isn't far from Darien is it? Would that be a reverse takeover?

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191
    ydoethur said:

    Depends on whether we’re talking about the republic or the People’s Republic.
    I believe that there is a title issue with the former. Disputed ownership is never good.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327
    ydoethur said:

    We have always been at war with Eastasia.
    You've lost me. As you know we are quite simple people my side of Marcle Ridge. It could be the Weston's cider.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    I'm very good friends with someone who was involved in the last purchase of MGM. He was laughing his arse off at that price this weekend over a drink. He explained how little value there is left in the MGM stable. Their best IP except James Bond has been sold to WB in the previous break up, leaving James Bond, a once every three years franchise that they only own 50% of the rights to, giving them 20% of the gross BO take.

    It seems mad to buy them instead of Lionsgate.
    MGM is one like the BBC that has been in major decline and trading off its name and legacy for way too long.

    Growing up half the movies on TV, especially older ones, seemed to start with the MGM lion's roar. Plus some shows like Tom & Jerry, Stargate etc were MGM too.

    I can't think of much major MGM stuff in recent years. I can't imagine it being really worth as much as it could have been anymore.

    At least if MGM is bought we might finally get the long-rumoured next Stargate series.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited May 2021
    Charles said:

    That’s a *very* specific denial
    Does anyone care about what a bunch of nonentities got up to in the green room?

    Who gives an effing shit?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,368
    DavidL said:

    That seems a very weird deal then.
    Perhaps Amazon have finally reached the point where the business is spinning off so much profit that there's nothing sensible to invest it in. So it's making silly investments instead.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,569
    Floater said:

    And what do they spend the other 8.99 Billion on?
    It’s good to see there’s still some optimism about Scotland’s economy.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191

    Gordon Brown would save Scotland. He saved the world once....
    You're assuming we would want saving. After the public sector wage cheques had bounced a couple of times becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of Amazon could look seriously attractive.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,099
    Leon said:

    Bleak stories in the Guardian about the Indian variant and ‘more lockdowns’. God save us

    Somewhat ridiculous when the same article says after 2 doses the Pfizer vaccine is still 84% effective against the Indian variant and AstraZeneca 60% effective against it

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/will-the-india-variant-stop-england-ending-lockdown
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,145
    Number 10 has denied Boris Johnson was absent from emergency coronavirus meetings because he was putting together a biography of William Shakespeare https://trib.al/XoV5YJ2

    "So what was he doing?" is not an unreasonable question
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Perhaps Amazon have finally reached the point where the business is spinning off so much profit that there's nothing sensible to invest it in. So it's making silly investments instead.
    The Microsoft stage.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    alex_ said:

    But are they making a profit yet?
    Amazon?

    Over $21bn in 2020 alone.

    Even if its an odd deal, MGM is like pocket change for them now. Scary really.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Leon said:

    Bleak stories in the Guardian about the Indian variant and ‘more lockdowns’. God save us

    It’s all about emphasis. On every point they take the worst case as what will happen. It’s as if they want things to go badly... In reality it looks like the surge testing in certain places is doing its job, and new cases are falling. @Malmesbury’s excellent data shows this well, and that the rises in cases are in kids mainly, with some in the group to 44. So the mostly unvaccinated who will most likely be fine with Covid. It really does look as though the april02 variant is the last hope for those who want to prolong the fun, and it’s not going to deliver.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,368
    Floater said:

    I hope this is just a rumour

    https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1396893124023160834

    According to his mother, Roman Protasevich is in hospital in critical condition - heart disease.

    He was fine 24 hours ago. Plenty of people will believe this though.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,368
    Scott_xP said:

    Whoever takes over will spend their entire leadership on damage control, trying to repair the fallout from Brexit
    I had to re-read this twice to check you weren't blaming the imminent alien invasion on Brexit.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012
    Scott_xP said:

    Number 10 has denied Boris Johnson was absent from emergency coronavirus meetings because he was putting together a biography of William Shakespeare https://trib.al/XoV5YJ2

    "So what was he doing?" is not an unreasonable question

    Whineometer at level 10
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,419

    Does anyone care about what a bunch of nonentities got up to in the green room?

    Who gives an effing shit?
    Their dealer, presumably.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    DavidL said:

    That seems a very weird deal then.
    Hence my friend's laughter at the deal price. Disney bought Lucasfilm for $4bn and Marvel for $4bn, that's less money together than MGM are being purchased for. Marvel has been transformed into a multi character, multi-layered franchise with movies, TV shows and games that have broken global records. Star Wars is one of the most popular brands in the world and despite the poor quality of movie releases under Disney it has more than made up it's purchas price across the five movies, two TV shows and two games under EA.

    I don't see what Amazon get from buying MGM. Maybe a James Bond TV show, but I don't know what that will bring to the table that Spooks didn't already do. Stargate has already been exploited half to death and one James Bond movie every three years is worth about $250m dollars for them with each release.

    I really don't understand it, they'd be better off taking the SPE route and buying up a bunch of smaller production houses and IP holding companies and coalescing them into something much bigger than the sum of the parts like SPE.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,368
    @Leon - more strange goings on in the sky that explain the weather:

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1396822018495074306?s=20
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,569
    Scott_xP said:

    Number 10 has denied Boris Johnson was absent from emergency coronavirus meetings because he was putting together a biography of William Shakespeare https://trib.al/XoV5YJ2

    "So what was he doing?" is not an unreasonable question

    I think we’re missing the essential point that actually, it’s probably good news Johnson was absent. The further he’s kept from making important decisions, the better.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834

    I had to re-read this twice to check you weren't blaming the imminent alien invasion on Brexit.
    Aliens secretly funded Brexit. I think Carole Cadwalladr said so.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327

    I had to re-read this twice to check you weren't blaming the imminent alien invasion on Brexit.
    Some blame the alien invasion for Brexit.

    (From Eastern Europe).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon said:

    Bleak stories in the Guardian about the Indian variant and ‘more lockdowns’. God save us

    Oh come on, the last thing I heard is that the vaccines work extremely effectively against the Indian variant.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,569
    edited May 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    Oh come on, the last thing I heard is that the vaccines work extremely effectively against the Indian variant.
    That doesn’t sell papers.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    ydoethur said:

    I think we’re missing the essential point that actually, it’s probably good news Johnson was absent. The further he’s kept from making important decisions, the better.
    And there are so few books on Shakespeare it's really important to have another one. It's an obscure and under researched field.

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