Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
I literally don’t understand this. In what way is Starmer ‘racist’?!
Found a copy (or something much like it) on a train once.
Eye opening stuff, to be sure.
There is (was?) a guy in his forties trying to sell it on campus back when us lefty academic types were allowed on campuses. I never witnessed anyone buying a copy, which begs the question, if lefty academic types (and lefty student types) aren't buying it, who does?
This rather ignores that this seat (or its predecessor) last returned a Tory in 1959. The Red Wall seems to be continuing to crumble.
Yet, what about elsewhere in the country? In my rather leafy Bucks village I have yet to see a single Tory banner. A few Labour but many Green signs. Locally the Greens have done quite well before and I would expect that to continue. Locally they don't have to worry about some of their more bonkers national policies. As a traditional Tory I am tempted to give them my vote in the locals which I would never do in a general election.
Speaking as a Tory, I'd vote for Labour before I voted Green.
They are utter luddite reductionist communitarian fundamentalists.
There’s no reason to believe the party wouldn’t follow the same path toward more moderate respectability, if our political system offered it the same chance to grow that the German Greens, who started with a similar mindset, have had.
I think the German Greens and British Greens are miles apart.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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And miss out on him making a complete tit of himself?
This rather ignores that this seat (or its predecessor) last returned a Tory in 1959. The Red Wall seems to be continuing to crumble.
Yet, what about elsewhere in the country? In my rather leafy Bucks village I have yet to see a single Tory banner. A few Labour but many Green signs. Locally the Greens have done quite well before and I would expect that to continue. Locally they don't have to worry about some of their more bonkers national policies. As a traditional Tory I am tempted to give them my vote in the locals which I would never do in a general election.
Speaking as a Tory, I'd vote for Labour before I voted Green.
They are utter luddite reductionist communitarian fundamentalists.
There’s no reason to believe the party wouldn’t follow the same path toward more moderate respectability, if our political system offered it the same chance to grow that the German Greens, who started with a similar mindset, have had.
I think the German Greens and British Greens are miles apart.
+1 - the German Greens are centralist Lib Dems with a green agenda. I suspect if we looked at their policies in detail they are probably identical
This rather ignores that this seat (or its predecessor) last returned a Tory in 1959. The Red Wall seems to be continuing to crumble.
Yet, what about elsewhere in the country? In my rather leafy Bucks village I have yet to see a single Tory banner. A few Labour but many Green signs. Locally the Greens have done quite well before and I would expect that to continue. Locally they don't have to worry about some of their more bonkers national policies. As a traditional Tory I am tempted to give them my vote in the locals which I would never do in a general election.
Speaking as a Tory, I'd vote for Labour before I voted Green.
They are utter luddite reductionist communitarian fundamentalists.
There’s no reason to believe the party wouldn’t follow the same path toward more moderate respectability, if our political system offered it the same chance to grow that the German Greens, who started with a similar mindset, have had.
I think the German Greens and British Greens are miles apart.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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I didn't realise Nigel would be this upset about Labour becoming an anti racist party in future.
Would it help if I lied and pretending the young and minorities will morph into the kind of racists you want them to be?
It isn't going to happen, racism isn't popular among the young and for obvious reasons among minorities either. The longer term future for Labour is a more anti racism one like Corbyn not a pro racism one like Starmer.
I'm sure Tommy Robinson will stick around for a while for people like youyself.
On the BBC quiz show "Pointless" last week there was a round where contestants had to identify politicians from their photos. The aim was to identify the MP that scored the lowest in terms of members of the public surveyed recognising them. The programme was filmed since Covid regulations came in. Keir Starmer had 46 per cent recognition with the public, Anneliese Dodds 3 and Angela Rayner 4. The opposition doesn't seem to be cutting through with members of the public.
Not the opposition, everyone but the PM. Rishi Sunak joined Keir Starmer in the 40s, for example. And Ed Davey...well...
I find those results amazing. Has all of Blackford's campaigning for smuggest, most objectionable oaf in the Commons truly been in vain? Surely he has irritated more people than that.
I was surprised David Lammy was so low, given he does loads of LBC and other media stuff.
Being on the radio does little for photo recognition shocker....
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
And, this is the problem the Labour Party have ladies and gentlemen.
This rather ignores that this seat (or its predecessor) last returned a Tory in 1959. The Red Wall seems to be continuing to crumble.
Yet, what about elsewhere in the country? In my rather leafy Bucks village I have yet to see a single Tory banner. A few Labour but many Green signs. Locally the Greens have done quite well before and I would expect that to continue. Locally they don't have to worry about some of their more bonkers national policies. As a traditional Tory I am tempted to give them my vote in the locals which I would never do in a general election.
Speaking as a Tory, I'd vote for Labour before I voted Green.
They are utter luddite reductionist communitarian fundamentalists.
There’s no reason to believe the party wouldn’t follow the same path toward more moderate respectability, if our political system offered it the same chance to grow that the German Greens, who started with a similar mindset, have had.
I think the German Greens and British Greens are miles apart.
The European Green movement really started in Germany, and most of its history there is radical and outspoken.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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People often laugh at me for pointing out the madness of Woke: I'm talking about people like @TheJezziah
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
I literally don’t understand this. In what way is Starmer ‘racist’?!
Supports the brutal occupation of Palestine apparently. Not that this is about obsessive fixation on Israel.
I thought the Forde report that some on the left accuse SKS of holding up was looking into allegedly racist posts by party staffers. I think there is some genuine reason for the delay in publication though.
There is also an accusation that the party treats allegations of islamophobia less seriously than it should and there is currently a court case on that issue.
Not sure its anything to do with "Supports the brutal occupation of Palestine apparently"
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
A murder-accused PC Tasered an ex-footballer for six times longer than is standard before kicking him twice in the head, a court heard.
PC Benjamin Monk is charged with the murder of Dalian Atkinson during an altercation in Shropshire, in 2016.
He appeared at Birmingham Crown Court for the first day of his trial with co-accused PC Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith, who is charged with assault.
The former Aston Villa star died after he was Tasered for 33 seconds....
...While he was unresponsive, the court heard the police officers "set about him".
Mr Monk kicked him in the head with such force imprints of his boot laces were left in two locations on Mr Atkinson's forehead while Ms Bettley-Smith used her baton to strike him "a number of times" while he lay still in the road, the court was told.
Ms Bettley-Smith too, she said, "was not acting in self defence or in defence of her colleague but also taking out her anger on a man who had earlier put her in fear, with the weapon she had been entrusted with to use lawfully".
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
There are few political figures that I would describe as "scum" , but Corbyn (and his deluded loyal supporters) definitely fall into that category along with Alex Salmond and Nick Griffin. Repulsive characters. People that blindly follow such people need psychological help.
I imagine Corbyn hung around with too many Black people and poor people for an upstanding citizen like yourself.
Starmer who keeps his distance from such uncouth elements probably right up your street.
For one thing you sad deluded little man I do not find Starmer to be in any way "up my street" , except he is clearly not an anti-Semite. If your monumentally stupid remark about black people was intended to suggest that I am a racist I would ask that you step out from the protection your rather childish nom de plume, and let us take it from there. I have reported your remark to the moderator and I very much hope it gets you a ban.
Mate I am a healthy young man who grew up in a poor neighbourhood, lets keep it anonymous for your sake. As for your feelings, I was always told if you aren't big enough to take it then don't give it out.
Took the train from Ayrshire to Glasgow to have a wander about the city centre for the first time in 13 or so months.
Reasonably happy to find a relatively normal looking level of Tuesday footfall. Couple of gaps in the shop fronts of some of the bigger chains we know went kaput but mostly normal looking. A few large shops seem to have downsized their footprint with fewer levels or relocated to smaller stores, presumably to reduce rent or such-like. Not too many things that haven't reopened.
Masks everywhere and the odd overly-convoluted one-way system aside, normality seemed near. Felt heartened.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
Labour have a major problem with racism and I don't know how they fix it.
On one hand we have the entryist wall of anti-semites who refuses to recognise their anti-semitism as anti-semitism. "We oppose anti-semitism and all kinds of racism" they reply, Labour's equivalent of "White" or "All Lives Matter".
There is a simple solution to this part which is expel the racists. Corbyn is - by his own definition of anti-semitism published in Corbyn's forward to the Labour guidance for members on anti-semitism - an anti-semite. BTW, Jewish Exceptionalism - only referring to Israel / Palestine and then demanding that Jewish Brits account for it - is in itself anti-semitism.
It goes further - parading Sarwar as the "first BAME leader" of a party. Thus ignoring their own Ed Milliband who led the actual Labour party as a BAME man ant just teh Scottish branch.
And on the other hand we have Labour activists so right-on as to see racism absolutely everywhere from everyone with a white face and poor background. Albeit one where they refuse to see racism against Jews like Luciana Berger as being directly equivalent to racism against people of colour like Diane Abbott.
Which is great news for the Tories. Who - despite their significant problems of racism and misogyny amongst members are still the party who have had two women leaders and back to back BAME chancellors and a BAME Home Secretary and legalised gay marriage.
I don't know if anybody else heard the Starmer interview on R4 Today this morning, but it was quite interesting. He wasn't very good, actually (see, I am objective). But he did take the opportunity to set out briefly the 5 current top priorities for Labour at the next GE, whenever that is.
His 5 priorities had echoes of Blair's 1997 pledge card. Interestingly, the fifth priority was about bringing an end to the divisions caused by the 'culture war' (although he didn't use that expression, of course). Anyway, signs of an emerging Labour policy platform to fill the current policy vacuum.
What does it mean. According to this article it means "Insiders suggested that levelling up could include four aspects — a regional economic policy; spreading opportunity across the country; improving the outputs and outcomes from public services; and non-economic outcomes of improving “quality of life” and “pride in place”."
Sounds like empty vacuous slogans to me. In Copeland, one issue that lots of the locals mention is the state of the roads. They are awful. As for public services, the local councils are appalling at emptying their recycling centres. One centre - located next to a children's play area and SSI on the beach - is so bad that rubbish is blown about all over the place. The local waste authority is responsible for a statutory nuisance and this in an area dependant on tourism for its living.
I have raised this with the local council, the Tory Mayor and the local Tory councillor. Neither of the latter two even bothered to reply.
"Quality of life" and "pride in place" my arse!
You seem disappointed that reality is different to the political promises of all parties. To be truly cynical, wait to you are 60ish...
Husband told me the local Tory councillor is utterly useless. So my expectations were pretty low and were entirely met.
The council officials have promised to do something but they are based in Whitehaven, live in Carlisle and have never even been to the area. It is a forgotten part of the country. Trudi Harrison comes from here - Bootle - a few miles away. She is local, quite friendly. But she has over the last year been a sad disappointment by comparison with Tim Farron. Being cynical, pork barrel politics has something to be said for it if you get some of the pork. But when you don't even get that, what is the point of any of it?
I tell this story to show the reality of what life is like here and to show up the vacuous nature of this levelling up slogan. We will see whether it amounts to anything substantive in reality. So far the main people who have been levelled up by the Tory party have been the rich who already have rather than the have nots.
I nonetheless expect the Tories to stay in power for a while because Labour are proving to be so bloody useless.
Before the "revolution" you would have been saying that the Tory opposition was so useless and that Labour would be in power for a long while as a result....
A bit of insight, the north and west of cumbria has been awarded hundreds of millions of extra funds over the last 12 months. The highways are managed by labour and lib dem controlled county council. Tim Farron is a one man publicity machine, not everyone does what he does in his way.
Yes there is a genuine reason for the delay of the Forde report.
The Information Commissioner's Office is investigating the leaks, by releasing the Forde report before the ICO has fully investigated it would prejudice the ICO investigation.
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
When you are posting a flag that big there has to be a trigger warning. I almost fainted.
I don't know if anybody else heard the Starmer interview on R4 Today this morning, but it was quite interesting. He wasn't very good, actually (see, I am objective). But he did take the opportunity to set out briefly the 5 current top priorities for Labour at the next GE, whenever that is.
His 5 priorities had echoes of Blair's 1997 pledge card. Interestingly, the fifth priority was about bringing an end to the divisions caused by the 'culture war' (although he didn't use that expression, of course). Anyway, signs of an emerging Labour policy platform to fill the current policy vacuum.
What does it mean. According to this article it means "Insiders suggested that levelling up could include four aspects — a regional economic policy; spreading opportunity across the country; improving the outputs and outcomes from public services; and non-economic outcomes of improving “quality of life” and “pride in place”."
Sounds like empty vacuous slogans to me. In Copeland, one issue that lots of the locals mention is the state of the roads. They are awful. As for public services, the local councils are appalling at emptying their recycling centres. One centre - located next to a children's play area and SSI on the beach - is so bad that rubbish is blown about all over the place. The local waste authority is responsible for a statutory nuisance and this in an area dependant on tourism for its living.
I have raised this with the local council, the Tory Mayor and the local Tory councillor. Neither of the latter two even bothered to reply.
"Quality of life" and "pride in place" my arse!
You seem disappointed that reality is different to the political promises of all parties. To be truly cynical, wait to you are 60ish...
Husband told me the local Tory councillor is utterly useless. So my expectations were pretty low and were entirely met.
The council officials have promised to do something but they are based in Whitehaven, live in Carlisle and have never even been to the area. It is a forgotten part of the country. Trudi Harrison comes from here - Bootle - a few miles away. She is local, quite friendly. But she has over the last year been a sad disappointment by comparison with Tim Farron. Being cynical, pork barrel politics has something to be said for it if you get some of the pork. But when you don't even get that, what is the point of any of it?
I tell this story to show the reality of what life is like here and to show up the vacuous nature of this levelling up slogan. We will see whether it amounts to anything substantive in reality. So far the main people who have been levelled up by the Tory party have been the rich who already have rather than the have nots.
I nonetheless expect the Tories to stay in power for a while because Labour are proving to be so bloody useless.
Before the "revolution" you would have been saying that the Tory opposition was so useless and that Labour would be in power for a long while as a result....
A bit of insight, the north and west of cumbria has been awarded hundreds of millions of extra funds over the last 12 months. The highways are managed by labour and lib dem controlled county council. Tim Farron is a one man publicity machine, not everyone does what he does in his way.
Tim Farron of course has nothing better to do that further aggrandise the career of Tim Farron..
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
I blame George Orwell in part. People read novels like 1984 and Animal Farm and took them as instruction manuals rather than a warning. A better illustration of the concept of doublethink would be hard to conceive of.
Explain the logic of Labour losing in the groups most opposed to racism (young and minorities)
If the centrists and right wing fairly tale about Corbyn being racist and Starmer being anti racist were true the opposite would happen.
Starmer seems most popular (comparatively to Corbyn) among groups most in favour of racism (older white people) the same groups were Corbyn is least popular.
I know this might be hard to hear but is it possible it is you that is wrong rather than the children Mr Skinner?
Labour are reeling from their worst defeat since 1935. That was Corbyn's fault. His policies and attitudes were anathema to most thinking people.
Starmer is trying to recover that position. The disgusting way that Jews in the party were treated is a small part of that. There is more to do but the people of this country are tolerant and will not vote for someone like Corbyn or anyone who holds his disgusting views, even if the alternative is a total incompetent like Theresa May.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
I literally don’t understand this. In what way is Starmer ‘racist’?!
Supports the brutal occupation of Palestine apparently. Not that this is about obsessive fixation on Israel.
I thought the Forde report that some on the left accuse SKS of holding up was looking into allegedly racist posts by party staffers. I think there is some genuine reason for the delay in publication though.
There is also an accusation that the party treats allegations of islamophobia less seriously than it should and there is currently a court case on that issue.
Not sure its anything to do with "Supports the brutal occupation of Palestine apparently"
It isn't the kind of racism that would bother the right wing press so it isn't going to be seen as racism by people on this forum. This is how you reach the logic of Starmer not being racist and Corbyn being racist, the ultimate opinion on racism is only found by consulting rich old white men...
A group well known to be the oracles on racism and they have ordained that Starmer support for various kinds of bigotry isn't based on racism whereas Corbyns opposition to the brutal occupation of Palestine is probably some of the only racism that exists on planet earth.
On the BBC quiz show "Pointless" last week there was a round where contestants had to identify politicians from their photos. The aim was to identify the MP that scored the lowest in terms of members of the public surveyed recognising them. The programme was filmed since Covid regulations came in. Keir Starmer had 46 per cent recognition with the public, Anneliese Dodds 3 and Angela Rayner 4. The opposition doesn't seem to be cutting through with members of the public.
Not the opposition, everyone but the PM. Rishi Sunak joined Keir Starmer in the 40s, for example. And Ed Davey...well...
I find those results amazing. Has all of Blackford's campaigning for smuggest, most objectionable oaf in the Commons truly been in vain? Surely he has irritated more people than that.
I was surprised David Lammy was so low, given he does loads of LBC and other media stuff.
Being on the radio does little for photo recognition shocker....
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
Wait until you see my Cross of St. George cufflinks.
this is a very serious electoral offence. I thought from Guido it was just some home made brownies handed out. This is the very literal definition of 'treating'. People can go to jail for this..
Apart from the obvious breaking of the law, wtaf, those are expensive, cost inefficient, and this is for West Yorkshire, which broke 2-1 to Lab in 2016 for the PCC elections, and where Lab were 6% ahead in 2019. Surely this race isn't anywhere near being live?
Look North was saying a couple of days ago it was close.
I think LAB should get it
If Labour are 3rd in Scotland, down in Wales, lose Hartlepool, WMids, Teeside, and WYorks then it will be an awful night for Starmer. If you'd have told someone in 2014 that those last 4 were probable results then they'd have looked at you veyr funny indeed.
Dont even need to go as far back as 2014.
2017 was the highpoint.
Since then Labour appear to be in a tail spin and replacing a rubbish pilot with an equally rubbish one has accelerated the plane crash
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
He wants to say "New Labour" but can't so it is "New Leadership" instead. Perhaps he could try "New New Labour"?
"New Leadership" also has the issue that it implies only the leader has changed. The rest of them are all the same (which is broadly true).
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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Why? It's very revealing.
People often laugh at me for pointing out the madness of Woke: I'm talking about people like @TheJezziah
I've long argued that it is more a psychological state than bona fide political ideology founded on reason. We even had one of them trashing the enlightenment the other day. It's post modernism gone mad. And it was mad to start with.
Seems like rather ominous precedence for Brabin. Might the election need to be re-run if she is guilty of this and wins?
It really isn't.
This is the sausage roll precedent.
It's also not going to matter - given that I suspect the number of Cookies is less than 500 and she is going to win be 1000s...
So it's okay to break the law as long as it doesn't matter in the end? That doesn't make any sense.
Because I really don't see the issue.
The only thing I note is that it seems I could buy your vote with a cream cake.
So you think the treating law should be repealed?
For food under a tenner, yes.
So £9.99 hampers for every voter in the land.
Yeah don't understand campaign limits do you?
I mean you'd use up all your short and long campaign money on a fraction of voters if you did that.
Although plenty of voters would prefer a hamper instead of the money spent on leaflets.
I'm against anything that could be viewed as a bribe or enticement to vote like that. A free sausage roll at an event that you paid £2 to get into doesn't really fall into that category, but being given a box of cookies while being canvassed certainly does.
This rather ignores that this seat (or its predecessor) last returned a Tory in 1959. The Red Wall seems to be continuing to crumble.
Yet, what about elsewhere in the country? In my rather leafy Bucks village I have yet to see a single Tory banner. A few Labour but many Green signs. Locally the Greens have done quite well before and I would expect that to continue. Locally they don't have to worry about some of their more bonkers national policies. As a traditional Tory I am tempted to give them my vote in the locals which I would never do in a general election.
Speaking as a Tory, I'd vote for Labour before I voted Green.
They are utter luddite reductionist communitarian fundamentalists.
There’s no reason to believe the party wouldn’t follow the same path toward more moderate respectability, if our political system offered it the same chance to grow that the German Greens, who started with a similar mindset, have had.
I think the German Greens and British Greens are miles apart.
+1 - the German Greens are centralist Lib Dems with a green agenda. I suspect if we looked at their policies in detail they are probably identical
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
When you are posting a flag that big there has to be a trigger warning. I almost fainted.
Mate I am a healthy young man who grew up in a poor neighbourhood, lets keep it anonymous for your sake. As for your feelings, I was always told if you aren't big enough to take it then don't give it out.
YHWH God, I hate people who bang on that grew up in a poor neighbourhood/working class background as i if somehow makes them better than middle class people.
Seems like rather ominous precedence for Brabin. Might the election need to be re-run if she is guilty of this and wins?
It really isn't.
This is the sausage roll precedent.
It's also not going to matter - given that I suspect the number of Cookies is less than 500 and she is going to win be 1000s...
So it's okay to break the law as long as it doesn't matter in the end? That doesn't make any sense.
Because I really don't see the issue.
The only thing I note is that it seems I could buy your vote with a cream cake.
So you think the treating law should be repealed?
For food under a tenner, yes.
So £9.99 hampers for every voter in the land.
Yeah don't understand campaign limits do you?
I mean you'd use up all your short and long campaign money on a fraction of voters if you did that.
Although plenty of voters would prefer a hamper instead of the money spent on leaflets.
I'm against anything that could be viewed as a bribe or enticement to vote like that. A free sausage roll at an event that you paid £2 to get into doesn't really fall into that category, but being given a box of cookies while being canvassed certainly does.
Especially if that box of cookies has "VOTE (PARTY X)" and their logo printed on it.
It's pretty much the definition of Treating right there.
Explain the logic of Labour losing in the groups most opposed to racism (young and minorities)
If the centrists and right wing fairly tale about Corbyn being racist and Starmer being anti racist were true the opposite would happen.
Starmer seems most popular (comparatively to Corbyn) among groups most in favour of racism (older white people) the same groups were Corbyn is least popular.
I know this might be hard to hear but is it possible it is you that is wrong rather than the children Mr Skinner?
The better starting point is not to be racist because its wrong. Too many of your fellow Corbynite activists - and Corbyn himself - cannot pass this test due to being usually passive but sometimes active anti-semites.
Once you've got this "believing in something cos its right" thing down, the next barrier is not ramming your standards down other people's throats. You may be right and the other person wrong, but sneering / shouting won't change their view in your direction. Quite the opposite in fact.
Finally, don't be a screaming hypocrite. Diane Abbott was on the receiving end of some horrendous racist abuse. She was also on the end of a lot of abuse because she is a shit politician that was willfully miscategorised as racist. At the same time Luciana Berger was also on the end of some horrendous racist abuse - with much of it coming from Labour members who then insisted it wasn't racist.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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Why? It's very revealing.
People often laugh at me for pointing out the madness of Woke: I'm talking about people like @TheJezziah
I thought the right wanted to make wokeness about nonsense not to do with racism?
I don't care too much about 'culture war' type stuff tbh, I don't care about waving flags as long as they are swazstika's. I don't hate transgender people and would call myself generally supportive but trans rights have never really been forefront of my mind.
I am strongly against racism though, if racism is part of the culture war then I am very much invested.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
And, this is the problem the Labour Party have ladies and gentlemen.
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
Oh the horror
That was my thought; it’s the path the bankruptcy! There’s no future in educating people and caring for them in their old age if they spend their working lives elsewhere. Ask Lithuania.
Seems like rather ominous precedence for Brabin. Might the election need to be re-run if she is guilty of this and wins?
It really isn't.
This is the sausage roll precedent.
It's also not going to matter - given that I suspect the number of Cookies is less than 500 and she is going to win be 1000s...
So it's okay to break the law as long as it doesn't matter in the end? That doesn't make any sense.
Because I really don't see the issue.
The only thing I note is that it seems I could buy your vote with a cream cake.
So you think the treating law should be repealed?
For food under a tenner, yes.
So £9.99 hampers for every voter in the land.
Yeah don't understand campaign limits do you?
I mean you'd use up all your short and long campaign money on a fraction of voters if you did that.
Although plenty of voters would prefer a hamper instead of the money spent on leaflets.
I'm against anything that could be viewed as a bribe or enticement to vote like that. A free sausage roll at an event that you paid £2 to get into doesn't really fall into that category, but being given a box of cookies while being canvassed certainly does.
Look, the country isn't like Glasgow where, like Vegas, you can pay for sex with chips.
People won't change their vote if you give them some cheap snacks.
To change the subject to something upbeat, this is good news for the prospects of getting to herd immunity - FDA shortly to approve Pfizer for 12-15 year-olds:
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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Why? It's very revealing.
People often laugh at me for pointing out the madness of Woke: I'm talking about people like @TheJezziah
I thought the right wanted to make wokeness about nonsense not to do with racism?
I don't care too much about 'culture war' type stuff tbh, I don't care about waving flags as long as they are swazstika's. I don't hate transgender people and would call myself generally supportive but trans rights have never really been forefront of my mind.
I am strongly against racism though, if racism is part of the culture war then I am very much invested.
You might want to change that wording about flags ... I had to read it about 3 or 4 times ...
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
And, this is the problem the Labour Party have ladies and gentlemen.
If you're outraged by the cheap cookies I guess you're shaking with anger with David Amess telling people to vote Tory in the locals because ministers will go the extra mile for Tory councils but not for non Tory councils.
Yes there is a genuine reason for the delay of the Forde report.
The Information Commissioner's Office is investigating the leaks, by releasing the Forde report before the ICO has fully investigated it would prejudice the ICO investigation.
A murder-accused PC Tasered an ex-footballer for six times longer than is standard before kicking him twice in the head, a court heard.
PC Benjamin Monk is charged with the murder of Dalian Atkinson during an altercation in Shropshire, in 2016.
He appeared at Birmingham Crown Court for the first day of his trial with co-accused PC Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith, who is charged with assault.
The former Aston Villa star died after he was Tasered for 33 seconds....
...While he was unresponsive, the court heard the police officers "set about him".
Mr Monk kicked him in the head with such force imprints of his boot laces were left in two locations on Mr Atkinson's forehead while Ms Bettley-Smith used her baton to strike him "a number of times" while he lay still in the road, the court was told.
Ms Bettley-Smith too, she said, "was not acting in self defence or in defence of her colleague but also taking out her anger on a man who had earlier put her in fear, with the weapon she had been entrusted with to use lawfully".
I wonder what happened?
Hopefully we're going to find out.
If Boris Johnson wants my vote he should pass a law requiring all police officers to wear bodycams.
Mate I am a healthy young man who grew up in a poor neighbourhood, lets keep it anonymous for your sake. As for your feelings, I was always told if you aren't big enough to take it then don't give it out.
YHWH God, I hate people who bang on that grew up in a poor neighbourhood/working class background as i if somehow makes them better than middle class people.
It doesn't make me better, Corbyn is an example of someone better than me, makes me a bit tougher than him though, which was exactly my point (which even someone from a poor background could have grasped, so much for the advantages of having wealthy parents)
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
Wait until you see my Cross of St. George cufflinks.
Wait - I own a clothing article the same as TSE - must go and re-evaluate my tastes
Seems like rather ominous precedence for Brabin. Might the election need to be re-run if she is guilty of this and wins?
It really isn't.
This is the sausage roll precedent.
It's also not going to matter - given that I suspect the number of Brownies are way less than 500 and she is going to win be 1000s...
That is an important point on whether or not the election would be rerun. You would need to show that the actions could have changed the outcome. This is all about scale. Giving out some stuff to helpers as a thank you is different to giving them to voters.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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I didn't realise Nigel would be this upset about Labour becoming an anti racist party in future.
Would it help if I lied and pretending the young and minorities will morph into the kind of racists you want them to be?
It isn't going to happen, racism isn't popular among the young and for obvious reasons among minorities either. The longer term future for Labour is a more anti racism one like Corbyn not a pro racism one like Starmer.
I'm sure Tommy Robinson will stick around for a while for people like youyself.
Anti-racism (as you describe it) is simply making another form of racism official policy.
In 100 years historians will look back on people like you with disgust.
Mate I am a healthy young man who grew up in a poor neighbourhood, lets keep it anonymous for your sake. As for your feelings, I was always told if you aren't big enough to take it then don't give it out.
YHWH God, I hate people who bang on that grew up in a poor neighbourhood/working class background as i if somehow makes them better than middle class people.
It doesn't make me better, Corbyn is an example of someone better than me, makes me a bit tougher than him though, which was exactly my point (which even someone from a poor background could have grasped, so much for the advantages of having wealthy parents)
Seems like rather ominous precedence for Brabin. Might the election need to be re-run if she is guilty of this and wins?
It really isn't.
This is the sausage roll precedent.
It's also not going to matter - given that I suspect the number of Cookies is less than 500 and she is going to win be 1000s...
So it's okay to break the law as long as it doesn't matter in the end? That doesn't make any sense.
Because I really don't see the issue.
The only thing I note is that it seems I could buy your vote with a cream cake.
So you think the treating law should be repealed?
For food under a tenner, yes.
So £9.99 hampers for every voter in the land.
Yeah don't understand campaign limits do you?
I mean you'd use up all your short and long campaign money on a fraction of voters if you did that.
Although plenty of voters would prefer a hamper instead of the money spent on leaflets.
The Letterbox Party will not be trying to deliver boxes of fondant fancies instead of leaflets through your jammed letterbox guarded by your huge dog behind your two gates both with rusty bolts up uneven steps.
Seems like rather ominous precedence for Brabin. Might the election need to be re-run if she is guilty of this and wins?
It really isn't.
This is the sausage roll precedent.
It's also not going to matter - given that I suspect the number of Brownies are way less than 500 and she is going to win be 1000s...
That is an important point on whether or not the election would be rerun. You would need to show that the actions could have changed the outcome. This is all about scale. Giving out some stuff to helpers as a thank you is different to giving them to voters.
Explain the logic of Labour losing in the groups most opposed to racism (young and minorities)
If the centrists and right wing fairly tale about Corbyn being racist and Starmer being anti racist were true the opposite would happen.
Starmer seems most popular (comparatively to Corbyn) among groups most in favour of racism (older white people) the same groups were Corbyn is least popular.
I know this might be hard to hear but is it possible it is you that is wrong rather than the children Mr Skinner?
The better starting point is not to be racist because its wrong. Too many of your fellow Corbynite activists - and Corbyn himself - cannot pass this test due to being usually passive but sometimes active anti-semites.
Once you've got this "believing in something cos its right" thing down, the next barrier is not ramming your standards down other people's throats. You may be right and the other person wrong, but sneering / shouting won't change their view in your direction. Quite the opposite in fact.
Finally, don't be a screaming hypocrite. Diane Abbott was on the receiving end of some horrendous racist abuse. She was also on the end of a lot of abuse because she is a shit politician that was willfully miscategorised as racist. At the same time Luciana Berger was also on the end of some horrendous racist abuse - with much of it coming from Labour members who then insisted it wasn't racist.
Diane Abbott is an interesting one to compare with Israel.
If you're attacking Abbott/Israel alone then that seems to be racism.
If you're attacking Abbott along with Rebecca Wrong Daily, Laura Pillock, the Jezziah and the rest of them - then that's not racist.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
And, this is the problem the Labour Party have ladies and gentlemen.
It's in the nature of political knockabout for the opponents of Labour to deride and snipe at anything the party says or does and of course the same is true for the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Greens, SNP, PC et al.
If you took out all the posts which were critical of another party or an individual in that party, this site would shrink 80% and we'd then face the appalling truth the only thing more tedious than posts criticising a party or Government are those supporting it (apart from, obviously, posts wittering on about pizza, Radiohead, other sports and
In some ways, the fog of extra-party criticism is part of the tactic of preventing the internal debate. Let's put an idea forward - that idea id immediately jumped on and rubbished - doesn't make it a bad idea, doesn't make it a good one either but sometimes parties have to go with policies and ideas which work for them.
To thine own self, be true - I believe is the saying.
One of the purposes of cross-party criticism is to weaken confidence, to encourage doubt, to question identity. A party without confidence or "belief" is going to go nowhere slowly.
It's not for me to suggest to Labour what their path should be - all I would say, despite what some on here seem to think, the country (and I'd argue the Conservative Party) needs a functioning opposition, a viable and credible political and policy alternative. Sooner or later, the Conservatives will become the victims of their own success or failure and at that point people will justifiably want to know what's next.
The problem is when (and it's when, not if) disillusionment with the Conservative sets in and people start casting around for alternatives, the absence of a reasonably rational alternative opens the door for all manner of irrational options - democracy is or should be the unending struggle between compelling, competing alternatives.
Mate I am a healthy young man who grew up in a poor neighbourhood, lets keep it anonymous for your sake. As for your feelings, I was always told if you aren't big enough to take it then don't give it out.
YHWH God, I hate people who bang on that grew up in a poor neighbourhood/working class background as i if somehow makes them better than middle class people.
Yes, where you've come from is not as important as where you're going.
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
Wait until you see my Cross of St. George cufflinks.
Wait - I own a clothing article the same as TSE - must go and re-evaluate my tastes
You two are the reason the Union is collapsing. My cufflinks are Union Flags.
If you're outraged by the cheap cookies I guess you're shaking with anger with David Amess telling people to vote Tory in the locals because ministers will go the extra mile for Tory councils but not for non Tory councils.
Wait to he sees the Tory Party campaign in Hartlepool...
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
I blame George Orwell in part. People read novels like 1984 and Animal Farm and took them as instruction manuals rather than a warning. A better illustration of the concept of doublethink would be hard to conceive of.
Explain the logic of Labour losing in the groups most opposed to racism (young and minorities)
If the centrists and right wing fairly tale about Corbyn being racist and Starmer being anti racist were true the opposite would happen.
Starmer seems most popular (comparatively to Corbyn) among groups most in favour of racism (older white people) the same groups were Corbyn is least popular.
I know this might be hard to hear but is it possible it is you that is wrong rather than the children Mr Skinner?
Labour are reeling from their worst defeat since 1935. That was Corbyn's fault. His policies and attitudes were anathema to most thinking people.
Starmer is trying to recover that position. The disgusting way that Jews in the party were treated is a small part of that. There is more to do but the people of this country are tolerant and will not vote for someone like Corbyn or anyone who holds his disgusting views, even if the alternative is a total incompetent like Theresa May.
His policies and thinking was anathema to the most racist sections of society and most appealing to the least racist sections of society because he wasn't a racist, I notice you just ignore and sidestep this logic because you can't answer it.
Also Labour is Corbynista in the long term, the most racist groups who oppose him are the ones who will die soonest and leave electoral power to those who are least racist.
A anti racist Labour in a Corbyn way is the future however much you rant about the children being wrong
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
Wait until you see my Cross of St. George cufflinks.
Wait - I own a clothing article the same as TSE - must go and re-evaluate my tastes
You two are the reason the Union is collapsing. My cufflinks are Union Flags.
I also have Union Jack cufflinks.
As a gag gift from a friend I also have some Welsh flag cufflinks. Which I will never wear.
I'm quite the avid collector of cufflinks, I have about 20 or so, mostly Paul Smith ones.
It's in the nature of political knockabout for the opponents of Labour to deride and snipe at anything the party says or does and of course the same is true for the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Greens, SNP, PC et al.
If you took out all the posts which were critical of another party or an individual in that party, this site would shrink 80% and we'd then face the appalling truth the only thing more tedious than posts criticising a party or Government are those supporting it (apart from, obviously, posts wittering on about pizza, Radiohead, other sports and
In some ways, the fog of extra-party criticism is part of the tactic of preventing the internal debate. Let's put an idea forward - that idea id immediately jumped on and rubbished - doesn't make it a bad idea, doesn't make it a good one either but sometimes parties have to go with policies and ideas which work for them.
To thine own self, be true - I believe is the saying.
One of the purposes of cross-party criticism is to weaken confidence, to encourage doubt, to question identity. A party without confidence or "belief" is going to go nowhere slowly.
It's not for me to suggest to Labour what their path should be - all I would say, despite what some on here seem to think, the country (and I'd argue the Conservative Party) needs a functioning opposition, a viable and credible political and policy alternative. Sooner or later, the Conservatives will become the victims of their own success or failure and at that point people will justifiably want to know what's next.
The problem is when (and it's when, not if) disillusionment with the Conservative sets in and people start casting around for alternatives, the absence of a reasonably rational alternative opens the door for all manner of irrational options - democracy is or should be the unending struggle between compelling, competing alternatives.
"(apart from, obviously, posts wittering on about pizza, Radiohead, other sports and"
It's in the nature of political knockabout for the opponents of Labour to deride and snipe at anything the party says or does and of course the same is true for the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Greens, SNP, PC et al.
If you took out all the posts which were critical of another party or an individual in that party, this site would shrink 80% and we'd then face the appalling truth the only thing more tedious than posts criticising a party or Government are those supporting it (apart from, obviously, posts wittering on about pizza, Radiohead, other sports and
In some ways, the fog of extra-party criticism is part of the tactic of preventing the internal debate. Let's put an idea forward - that idea id immediately jumped on and rubbished - doesn't make it a bad idea, doesn't make it a good one either but sometimes parties have to go with policies and ideas which work for them.
To thine own self, be true - I believe is the saying.
One of the purposes of cross-party criticism is to weaken confidence, to encourage doubt, to question identity. A party without confidence or "belief" is going to go nowhere slowly.
It's not for me to suggest to Labour what their path should be - all I would say, despite what some on here seem to think, the country (and I'd argue the Conservative Party) needs a functioning opposition, a viable and credible political and policy alternative. Sooner or later, the Conservatives will become the victims of their own success or failure and at that point people will justifiably want to know what's next.
The problem is when (and it's when, not if) disillusionment with the Conservative sets in and people start casting around for alternatives, the absence of a reasonably rational alternative opens the door for all manner of irrational options - democracy is or should be the unending struggle between compelling, competing alternatives.
"(apart from, obviously, posts wittering on about pizza, Radiohead, other sports and"
It's in the nature of political knockabout for the opponents of Labour to deride and snipe at anything the party says or does and of course the same is true for the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Greens, SNP, PC et al.
If you took out all the posts which were critical of another party or an individual in that party, this site would shrink 80% and we'd then face the appalling truth the only thing more tedious than posts criticising a party or Government are those supporting it (apart from, obviously, posts wittering on about pizza, Radiohead, other sports and
In some ways, the fog of extra-party criticism is part of the tactic of preventing the internal debate. Let's put an idea forward - that idea id immediately jumped on and rubbished - doesn't make it a bad idea, doesn't make it a good one either but sometimes parties have to go with policies and ideas which work for them.
To thine own self, be true - I believe is the saying.
One of the purposes of cross-party criticism is to weaken confidence, to encourage doubt, to question identity. A party without confidence or "belief" is going to go nowhere slowly.
It's not for me to suggest to Labour what their path should be - all I would say, despite what some on here seem to think, the country (and I'd argue the Conservative Party) needs a functioning opposition, a viable and credible political and policy alternative. Sooner or later, the Conservatives will become the victims of their own success or failure and at that point people will justifiably want to know what's next.
The problem is when (and it's when, not if) disillusionment with the Conservative sets in and people start casting around for alternatives, the absence of a reasonably rational alternative opens the door for all manner of irrational options - democracy is or should be the unending struggle between compelling, competing alternatives.
No one really needs to criticise the labour party from outside though we can just add likes to the internecine squabbling posts
this is a very serious electoral offence. I thought from Guido it was just some home made brownies handed out. This is the very literal definition of 'treating'. People can go to jail for this..
Apart from the obvious breaking of the law, wtaf, those are expensive, cost inefficient, and this is for West Yorkshire, which broke 2-1 to Lab in 2016 for the PCC elections, and where Lab were 6% ahead in 2019. Surely this race isn't anywhere near being live?
Look North was saying a couple of days ago it was close.
I think LAB should get it
If Labour are 3rd in Scotland, down in Wales, lose Hartlepool, WMids, Teeside, and WYorks then it will be an awful night for Starmer. If you'd have told someone in 2014 that those last 4 were probable results then they'd have looked at you veyr funny indeed.
Dont even need to go as far back as 2014.
2017 was the highpoint.
Since then Labour appear to be in a tail spin and replacing a rubbish pilot with an equally rubbish one has accelerated the plane crash
2017 was the outlier election in the same was we have outlier polls. Strip the need for people to vote seriously tactically to try and secure / stop Brexit and there would just have been downward sliding.
Remember that in 2017 - the year of the Jeremy's big victory, 20% more people voted Tory than in 2015. OK so thats not much more than half of the 38% increase for Labour, but look what happened afterwards. Total vote tallies are irrelevant to the actual FPTP result, but indicative for trends.
LABOUR VOTE 2010 8.610m 2015 9.347m 2017 12.878m 2019 10.269m
The Tory vote has risen every year since 2001. The Labour vote - with the brief exception of the two party polarisation that boosted both parties in 2017 - has been crawling upwards. Labour's problem is not Starmer is not Corbyn is not Milliband. Labour's problem is Labour.
Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, appointed Martin Forde QC last May to investigate the leak of an unredacted report into the party’s complaints process. The report included details of alleged conversations between party officials about black MPs that were condemned as racist and led to a backlash among black Labour supporters.
Detractors say it is unclear why Forde has waited until now, 10 months after the information commissioner was informed of the data breach and seven months after the report was initially due to be delivered, to warn of the risk of prejudicing the external investigation.
“The possibility of a racist culture and a hostile environment for black members within the party needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency and the Forde inquiry is an important tool for doing just that,” the MPs said.
The signatories to the statement were Marsha de Cordova, the shadow women and equalities secretary, Chi Onwurah, the shadow science minister, and the MPs Diane Abbott, Dawn Butler, Florence Eshalomi, Kim Johnson, Clive Lewis, Kate Osamor and Bell Ribeiro-Addy.
I don’t even understand the argument. Is this an attempt to smear Starmer as an anti-Semite because he is trying to tackle anti-Semitism in Labour? Or is it because Starmer is white, male and centrist so he ‘must’ be racist?
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
I believe the Jezziah is talking about Keir Starmer adopting the symbols and language of the far right, like this:
Wait until you see my Cross of St. George cufflinks.
Wait - I own a clothing article the same as TSE - must go and re-evaluate my tastes
You two are the reason the Union is collapsing. My cufflinks are Union Flags.
I also have Union Jack cufflinks.
As a gag gift from a friend I also have some Welsh flag cufflinks. Which I will never wear.
I'm quite the avid collector of cufflinks, I have about 20 or so, mostly Paul Smith ones.
I have a smaller collection. St Pirran's and Mini (the car) are also in their, along with old fashioned taps with 'left' and 'right' instead of 'hot' and 'cold'
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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Why? It's very revealing.
People often laugh at me for pointing out the madness of Woke: I'm talking about people like @TheJezziah
I've long argued that it is more a psychological state than bona fide political ideology founded on reason. We even had one of them trashing the enlightenment the other day. It's post modernism gone mad. And it was mad to start with.
Indeed, and I'd ignore it were it not for the fact that some of it has crept into mainstream social discourse, and is affecting corporate and institutional policy.
That is my concern. I'm happy for them to go back to barking at the moon to their hearts content afterwards, so long as it's successfully expunged first.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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Why? It's very revealing.
People often laugh at me for pointing out the madness of Woke: I'm talking about people like @TheJezziah
I thought the right wanted to make wokeness about nonsense not to do with racism?
I don't care too much about 'culture war' type stuff tbh, I don't care about waving flags as long as they are swazstika's. I don't hate transgender people and would call myself generally supportive but trans rights have never really been forefront of my mind.
I am strongly against racism though, if racism is part of the culture war then I am very much invested.
You might want to change that wording about flags ... I had to read it about 3 or 4 times ...
Yeah noticed that a bit late!
TO CLARIFY
I don't care about waving flags as long as they are NOT swazstika's
Mate I am a healthy young man who grew up in a poor neighbourhood, lets keep it anonymous for your sake. As for your feelings, I was always told if you aren't big enough to take it then don't give it out.
YHWH God, I hate people who bang on that grew up in a poor neighbourhood/working class background as i if somehow makes them better than middle class people.
Yes, where you've come from is not as important as where you're going.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
And, this is the problem the Labour Party have ladies and gentlemen.
Seems to me that he's got past Jeremy, and gone the full Piers...
However he stayed in the shadow cabinet throughout the Corbyn years and was remarkably quiet on anti-semitism and the persecution of a njmber of his fellow MPs.
It's in the nature of political knockabout for the opponents of Labour to deride and snipe at anything the party says or does and of course the same is true for the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Greens, SNP, PC et al.
If you took out all the posts which were critical of another party or an individual in that party, this site would shrink 80% and we'd then face the appalling truth the only thing more tedious than posts criticising a party or Government are those supporting it (apart from, obviously, posts wittering on about pizza, Radiohead, other sports and
In some ways, the fog of extra-party criticism is part of the tactic of preventing the internal debate. Let's put an idea forward - that idea id immediately jumped on and rubbished - doesn't make it a bad idea, doesn't make it a good one either but sometimes parties have to go with policies and ideas which work for them.
To thine own self, be true - I believe is the saying.
One of the purposes of cross-party criticism is to weaken confidence, to encourage doubt, to question identity. A party without confidence or "belief" is going to go nowhere slowly.
It's not for me to suggest to Labour what their path should be - all I would say, despite what some on here seem to think, the country (and I'd argue the Conservative Party) needs a functioning opposition, a viable and credible political and policy alternative. Sooner or later, the Conservatives will become the victims of their own success or failure and at that point people will justifiably want to know what's next.
The problem is when (and it's when, not if) disillusionment with the Conservative sets in and people start casting around for alternatives, the absence of a reasonably rational alternative opens the door for all manner of irrational options - democracy is or should be the unending struggle between compelling, competing alternatives.
Good post Stodge.
Reminds me of my notes from when I studied politics years ago:
Politics is the creative but messy compromise of differing principles, interests and values; a way of ruling and organising divided societies without resorting to violence.
Politics is a process which allows us to learn to disagree well. It is difficult and continual.
More good news locally for me: 84% of over-65s in my county are fully vaccinated, along with 67% of all residents having had at least one shot.
There will be pockets of the US that do very well with vaccination. In WVA, where the initial good efforts are stalling somewhat, they are offering youngsters (the most vaccine hesitant group) $100 gift cards to get vaccinated.
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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Why? It's very revealing.
People often laugh at me for pointing out the madness of Woke: I'm talking about people like @TheJezziah
I thought the right wanted to make wokeness about nonsense not to do with racism?
I don't care too much about 'culture war' type stuff tbh, I don't care about waving flags as long as they are swazstika's. I don't hate transgender people and would call myself generally supportive but trans rights have never really been forefront of my mind.
I am strongly against racism though, if racism is part of the culture war then I am very much invested.
You might want to change that wording about flags ... I had to read it about 3 or 4 times ...
Yeah noticed that a bit late!
TO CLARIFY
I don't care about waving flags as long as they are NOT swazstika's
Hartlepool 2015 Iain Wright Lab 14,076 35.6 -6.9 Philip Broughton UKIP11,052 28.0 21.0 Richard Royal Con 8,256 20.9 -7.2
Hartlepool 2017 Mike Hill Lab 21,969 52.5 16.9 Carl Jackson Con14,319 34.2 13.3 P Broughton UKIP4,801 11.5 -16.5
Hartlepool 2019 Mike Hill Lab 15,464 37.7 -14.8 S Houghton Con 11,869 28.9 -5.3 Richard Tice BXP 10,603 25.8 25.8
Hartlepool 2021 CON GAIN first time not Labour since 1959
SKS fans please explain how SKS has managed this
You really are stupid enough to go there? Then again why not - Corbyn won Hartlepool 9 times after his election to Parliament. You see that Peter Mandelson - they only voted for him knowing that the Beard of the Year was in parliament as their true representative. Now that Corbyn has been booted out of the Labour Party Pools is going Tory - nuff said.
If they remove IDStarmer and reinstate the Jeremy, all the people who were LLLLL across the contact sheet who said "I'm not voting for him" will vote for him.
Your really so stupid to try the its Corbyns fault despite the facts.
First Labour loss since 1959
Fairy Nuff we know your obsessed you should move on.
No no no, the loss of the red wall predates Corbyn so it isn't his fault. The dam has been eroded over time, with no maintenance done by an arrogant local Labour hierarchy who think they are born to rule because its all the Tories fault.
Labour's problem is that the dam burst thanks to Brexit. What you propose is that Labour go back to the failed Corbyn experiment, have a slate of wazzocks like Sam Tarry, Zarah Sultana and Laura Pillock as MPs and double down on policy so that Labour only talk to the bottom 5% and blame everything on the top 1% and say fuck all to everyone else.
Labour's solution is not Starmer. Labour's solution is not Corbyn. It is not either / or you tosspot. As I tweeted earlier this morning the left and right in Labour fight like ferrets in a sack and neither side understand why you're in the sack in the first place.
Labour reject who jumped in the sack to fight like a ferret in 2015 against Corbyn and fought like a ferret every day for 3 years criticises sack fighting.
Said ex Labour hypocrite after quitting sack fighting applies to rejoin Labour in order to fight like a ferret against people like "Laura Pillock"
Rejected for being a divisive nasty name calling piece of work so sad ex sack fighting poster is now politically homeless
Sad tale really
As I said shortly after the event, my abrupt about-face to try and rejoin the Labour Party was done in the middle of a mental health crisis. As that was the stupidest action my illness generated I remain grateful!
Then it cleared, and like Dr Zimsky at the end of The Core dictating notes for his book whilst pinned underneath a nuclear bomb that was about to destroy him and his notes, I looked at myself, asked "what the fuck am I doing" and roared with laughter.
Glad that my mental heath disaster makes you roar with laughter as well.
You called me a toss pot is that part of your condition or are you just a nasty piece of work?
No I called you a tosspot because you are kind of person who takes the piss out of the mentally ill.
Source?
I take the piss out of you because you are a hypocrite who lacks humility and a name calling nasty piece of work.
Source? You taking the piss out of my mental health crisis last year during which I tried to rejoin the Labour Party.
Have no problem you calling me a hypocrite - as always I take the opinions of people I have no respect for under advisement. But taking the piss out of people for having an openly confessed breakdown is what makes you a tosspot.
You are a massive asset to the Labour Party! You and Tarry and Sultana and Pillock and the rest of them.
Labour got the kind of racist centrist leader you wanted over the type of leader BJO liked and Labour are tanking in the polls, clearly it is the Blairite faction you are part of which is the problem in Labour.
Maybe the problem is having so many activists keener to see the opposing faction within their own ranks fail than in winning round voters with some thought through ideas and taking the fight to the Tories?
I joined Labour a few years ago full of enthusiasm and verve excited and hoping to get a Labour government.
Prior to ever joining Labour they weren't worth voting for in an election but I preferred them to the Tories and hoped (a little) that they beat them.
My current attitude of delighting in seeing the evil people running the Labour party fail is my experience of what absolutely awful vile people they are.
Boris Johnson is a far lesser evil than the right of the Labour party, I could never vote Conservative but I would never ever ever vote for those lot on pain of death.
This is seriously distorted thinking, bordering on disturbed.
SKS is not evil, he is well meaning but boring with few original ideas. Dodds is not evil, she is bright and technically literate but even duller than her boss. Evil was the last regime with its blatant anti-Semitism, its hatred for their own country and the willful blindness that this led to supporting anyone else on the planet that hated us no matter how appalling they were. Labour may not win under SKS but it is no longer a national disgrace and that is progress of a sort.
Starmer isn't releasing the Forde report because kicking out the racists would kill his support in the party.
I know to some here racism is only a failure to support the brutal oocupation of Palestine rather than actual racism against minorities but there is a reason Labour are losing votes among minorities and younger people (two groups most against racism)
We have swapped an anti racist leader for a racist one.
I realise it is the kind of racism many rich white people who temporarily pretended to care about racism don't actually care about so it doesn't matter.
In fact many wealthy older white people will be delighted Labour now has a racist leader, even if it means the Conservatives have no opposition and are losing votes and popularity as a result.
Don't be too happy about it though, in the medium to long term the racists who like Starmer will be mostly dead whilst the anti racists who supported Corbyn will still be alive and kicking.
So only matter of time before Labour goes back to (greater) electability and anti racism to the dismay of many racists
You are a deluded nutter. If it wasn't for the fact that you are supporting a genuine anti-Semite cnut I would think you quite worth laughing at for your incomprehensible stupidity, but the fact that you are supporting, and are a clear apologist for said lying anti-semite I rather wish you would go back to the sewer from which you came. Anti-Semites and their apologists such as yourself are nothing short of scum.
You can get as upset as you want about it but the racist base of Starmer is much older than Corbyns base so Labour won't be a racist party for long, it will belong to the current young and minorities who are racists and you view as sewer dwellers.
Best part is I'm young and healthy enough to be around to probably see it happen, if it is any nconsolation all you angry old guys who hate Corbyn/Black people/ Muslims will be mostly gone then so you won't have to worry about it, the country can stay racist until your generation loses its voting power.
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Why? It's very revealing.
People often laugh at me for pointing out the madness of Woke: I'm talking about people like @TheJezziah
No, we laugh at you for essentially rendering the term meaningless.
Explain the logic of Labour losing in the groups most opposed to racism (young and minorities)
If the centrists and right wing fairly tale about Corbyn being racist and Starmer being anti racist were true the opposite would happen.
Starmer seems most popular (comparatively to Corbyn) among groups most in favour of racism (older white people) the same groups were Corbyn is least popular.
I know this might be hard to hear but is it possible it is you that is wrong rather than the children Mr Skinner?
The better starting point is not to be racist because its wrong. Too many of your fellow Corbynite activists - and Corbyn himself - cannot pass this test due to being usually passive but sometimes active anti-semites.
Once you've got this "believing in something cos its right" thing down, the next barrier is not ramming your standards down other people's throats. You may be right and the other person wrong, but sneering / shouting won't change their view in your direction. Quite the opposite in fact.
Finally, don't be a screaming hypocrite. Diane Abbott was on the receiving end of some horrendous racist abuse. She was also on the end of a lot of abuse because she is a shit politician that was willfully miscategorised as racist. At the same time Luciana Berger was also on the end of some horrendous racist abuse - with much of it coming from Labour members who then insisted it wasn't racist.
Diane Abbott is an interesting one to compare with Israel.
If you're attacking Abbott/Israel alone then that seems to be racism.
If you're attacking Abbott along with Rebecca Wrong Daily, Laura Pillock, the Jezziah and the rest of them - then that's not racist.
Wrong-Daily is white. Pillock is white. Berger is BAME. Abbott is BAME. My point was that in large parts of Labour there is a hierarchy of racism where as Baddiel puts it so neatly: Jews Don't Count.
The party promoted Anas Sarwar as the first BAME leader of a political party. Scottish Labour isn't a political party, but Sarwar isn't even the first BAME Labour leader - Ed Milliband doesn't count apparently.
Mate I am a healthy young man who grew up in a poor neighbourhood, lets keep it anonymous for your sake. As for your feelings, I was always told if you aren't big enough to take it then don't give it out.
YHWH God, I hate people who bang on that grew up in a poor neighbourhood/working class background as i if somehow makes them better than middle class people.
It doesn't make me better, Corbyn is an example of someone better than me, makes me a bit tougher than him though, which was exactly my point (which even someone from a poor background could have grasped, so much for the advantages of having wealthy parents)
But why mention it at all?
He went off in a mildly threatening direction and I saw that as a chance to fire a cheap insult off at him. If Nigel was the kind of person you could have a reasonable discussion with I would do that, I know him far too well best I'm getting is tit for tat.
A murder-accused PC Tasered an ex-footballer for six times longer than is standard before kicking him twice in the head, a court heard.
PC Benjamin Monk is charged with the murder of Dalian Atkinson during an altercation in Shropshire, in 2016.
He appeared at Birmingham Crown Court for the first day of his trial with co-accused PC Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith, who is charged with assault.
The former Aston Villa star died after he was Tasered for 33 seconds....
...While he was unresponsive, the court heard the police officers "set about him".
Mr Monk kicked him in the head with such force imprints of his boot laces were left in two locations on Mr Atkinson's forehead while Ms Bettley-Smith used her baton to strike him "a number of times" while he lay still in the road, the court was told.
Ms Bettley-Smith too, she said, "was not acting in self defence or in defence of her colleague but also taking out her anger on a man who had earlier put her in fear, with the weapon she had been entrusted with to use lawfully".
I wonder what happened?
I would have thought tasers would be energy limited by battery size - if 33 seconds is too long why have that capability/store of energy ?
Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, appointed Martin Forde QC last May to investigate the leak of an unredacted report into the party’s complaints process. The report included details of alleged conversations between party officials about black MPs that were condemned as racist and led to a backlash among black Labour supporters.
Detractors say it is unclear why Forde has waited until now, 10 months after the information commissioner was informed of the data breach and seven months after the report was initially due to be delivered, to warn of the risk of prejudicing the external investigation.
“The possibility of a racist culture and a hostile environment for black members within the party needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency and the Forde inquiry is an important tool for doing just that,” the MPs said.
The signatories to the statement were Marsha de Cordova, the shadow women and equalities secretary, Chi Onwurah, the shadow science minister, and the MPs Diane Abbott, Dawn Butler, Florence Eshalomi, Kim Johnson, Clive Lewis, Kate Osamor and Bell Ribeiro-Addy.
I might have sympathy for the people complaining about this alleged racism if they were concerned about the open racism against Berger and Smeeth and Ellman and Hodge.
Explain the logic of Labour losing in the groups most opposed to racism (young and minorities)
If the centrists and right wing fairly tale about Corbyn being racist and Starmer being anti racist were true the opposite would happen.
Starmer seems most popular (comparatively to Corbyn) among groups most in favour of racism (older white people) the same groups were Corbyn is least popular.
I know this might be hard to hear but is it possible it is you that is wrong rather than the children Mr Skinner?
The better starting point is not to be racist because its wrong. Too many of your fellow Corbynite activists - and Corbyn himself - cannot pass this test due to being usually passive but sometimes active anti-semites.
Once you've got this "believing in something cos its right" thing down, the next barrier is not ramming your standards down other people's throats. You may be right and the other person wrong, but sneering / shouting won't change their view in your direction. Quite the opposite in fact.
Finally, don't be a screaming hypocrite. Diane Abbott was on the receiving end of some horrendous racist abuse. She was also on the end of a lot of abuse because she is a shit politician that was willfully miscategorised as racist. At the same time Luciana Berger was also on the end of some horrendous racist abuse - with much of it coming from Labour members who then insisted it wasn't racist.
Diane Abbott is an interesting one to compare with Israel.
If you're attacking Abbott/Israel alone then that seems to be racism.
If you're attacking Abbott along with Rebecca Wrong Daily, Laura Pillock, the Jezziah and the rest of them - then that's not racist.
Wrong-Daily is white. Pillock is white. Berger is BAME. Abbott is BAME. My point was that in large parts of Labour there is a hierarchy of racism where as Baddiel puts it so neatly: Jews Don't Count.
The party promoted Anas Sarwar as the first BAME leader of a political party. Scottish Labour isn't a political party, but Sarwar isn't even the first BAME Labour leader - Ed Milliband doesn't count apparently.
Because to recognise millibrand as bame they wouldn't be able to claim that even for him as Disraeli would be the first Bame leader of a political party and incidentally prime minister
Explain the logic of Labour losing in the groups most opposed to racism (young and minorities)
If the centrists and right wing fairly tale about Corbyn being racist and Starmer being anti racist were true the opposite would happen.
Starmer seems most popular (comparatively to Corbyn) among groups most in favour of racism (older white people) the same groups were Corbyn is least popular.
I know this might be hard to hear but is it possible it is you that is wrong rather than the children Mr Skinner?
The better starting point is not to be racist because its wrong. Too many of your fellow Corbynite activists - and Corbyn himself - cannot pass this test due to being usually passive but sometimes active anti-semites.
Once you've got this "believing in something cos its right" thing down, the next barrier is not ramming your standards down other people's throats. You may be right and the other person wrong, but sneering / shouting won't change their view in your direction. Quite the opposite in fact.
Finally, don't be a screaming hypocrite. Diane Abbott was on the receiving end of some horrendous racist abuse. She was also on the end of a lot of abuse because she is a shit politician that was willfully miscategorised as racist. At the same time Luciana Berger was also on the end of some horrendous racist abuse - with much of it coming from Labour members who then insisted it wasn't racist.
Diane Abbott is an interesting one to compare with Israel.
If you're attacking Abbott/Israel alone then that seems to be racism.
If you're attacking Abbott along with Rebecca Wrong Daily, Laura Pillock, the Jezziah and the rest of them - then that's not racist.
Wrong-Daily is white. Pillock is white. Berger is BAME. Abbott is BAME. My point was that in large parts of Labour there is a hierarchy of racism where as Baddiel puts it so neatly: Jews Don't Count.
The party promoted Anas Sarwar as the first BAME leader of a political party. Scottish Labour isn't a political party, but Sarwar isn't even the first BAME Labour leader - Ed Milliband doesn't count apparently.
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This is a distinction people who go out campaigning know about.
There's a reason the rozzers don't prosecute activists who drive voters to the polling station.
Not really the same thing at all!
Would it help if I lied and pretending the young and minorities will morph into the kind of racists you want them to be?
It isn't going to happen, racism isn't popular among the young and for obvious reasons among minorities either. The longer term future for Labour is a more anti racism one like Corbyn not a pro racism one like Starmer.
I'm sure Tommy Robinson will stick around for a while for people like youyself.
The only thing I note is that it seems I could buy your vote with a cream cake.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1389558189616779266?s=19
If boxes of treats with "VOTE LABOUR" printed on the box isn't Treating, then what is?
People often laugh at me for pointing out the madness of Woke: I'm talking about people like @TheJezziah
There is also an accusation that the party treats allegations of islamophobia less seriously than it should and there is currently a court case on that issue.
Not sure its anything to do with "Supports the brutal occupation of Palestine apparently"
Quite odd. Perhaps the first political opinion on PB that I have failed to comprehend. I’m getting old
Mind you, what's this about?
Ms Bettley-Smith too, she said, "was not acting in self defence or in defence of her colleague but also taking out her anger on a man who had earlier put her in fear, with the weapon she had been entrusted with to use lawfully".
I wonder what happened?
Reasonably happy to find a relatively normal looking level of Tuesday footfall. Couple of gaps in the shop fronts of some of the bigger chains we know went kaput but mostly normal looking. A few large shops seem to have downsized their footprint with fewer levels or relocated to smaller stores, presumably to reduce rent or such-like. Not too many things that haven't reopened.
Masks everywhere and the odd overly-convoluted one-way system aside, normality seemed near. Felt heartened.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/04/melting-ice-reveals-first-world-war-relics-in-italian-alps
Melting ice, reveals some parts of the Austo-Hungarian battlegrounds with Italy.
On one hand we have the entryist wall of anti-semites who refuses to recognise their anti-semitism as anti-semitism. "We oppose anti-semitism and all kinds of racism" they reply, Labour's equivalent of "White" or "All Lives Matter".
There is a simple solution to this part which is expel the racists. Corbyn is - by his own definition of anti-semitism published in Corbyn's forward to the Labour guidance for members on anti-semitism - an anti-semite. BTW, Jewish Exceptionalism - only referring to Israel / Palestine and then demanding that Jewish Brits account for it - is in itself anti-semitism.
It goes further - parading Sarwar as the "first BAME leader" of a party. Thus ignoring their own Ed Milliband who led the actual Labour party as a BAME man ant just teh Scottish branch.
And on the other hand we have Labour activists so right-on as to see racism absolutely everywhere from everyone with a white face and poor background. Albeit one where they refuse to see racism against Jews like Luciana Berger as being directly equivalent to racism against people of colour like Diane Abbott.
Which is great news for the Tories. Who - despite their significant problems of racism and misogyny amongst members are still the party who have had two women leaders and back to back BAME chancellors and a BAME Home Secretary and legalised gay marriage.
Yes there is a genuine reason for the delay of the Forde report.
The Information Commissioner's Office is investigating the leaks, by releasing the Forde report before the ICO has fully investigated it would prejudice the ICO investigation.
Starmer is trying to recover that position. The disgusting way that Jews in the party were treated is a small part of that. There is more to do but the people of this country are tolerant and will not vote for someone like Corbyn or anyone who holds his disgusting views, even if the alternative is a total incompetent like Theresa May.
A group well known to be the oracles on racism and they have ordained that Starmer support for various kinds of bigotry isn't based on racism whereas Corbyns opposition to the brutal occupation of Palestine is probably some of the only racism that exists on planet earth.
I mean you'd use up all your short and long campaign money on a fraction of voters if you did that.
Although plenty of voters would prefer a hamper instead of the money spent on leaflets.
2017 was the highpoint.
Since then Labour appear to be in a tail spin and replacing a rubbish pilot with an equally rubbish one has accelerated the plane crash
"New Leadership" also has the issue that it implies only the leader has changed. The rest of them are all the same (which is broadly true).
It's pretty much the definition of Treating right there.
Once you've got this "believing in something cos its right" thing down, the next barrier is not ramming your standards down other people's throats. You may be right and the other person wrong, but sneering / shouting won't change their view in your direction. Quite the opposite in fact.
Finally, don't be a screaming hypocrite. Diane Abbott was on the receiving end of some horrendous racist abuse. She was also on the end of a lot of abuse because she is a shit politician that was willfully miscategorised as racist. At the same time Luciana Berger was also on the end of some horrendous racist abuse - with much of it coming from Labour members who then insisted it wasn't racist.
I don't care too much about 'culture war' type stuff tbh, I don't care about waving flags as long as they are swazstika's. I don't hate transgender people and would call myself generally supportive but trans rights have never really been forefront of my mind.
I am strongly against racism though, if racism is part of the culture war then I am very much invested.
Insanity
People won't change their vote if you give them some cheap snacks.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/03/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine-teens-fda/index.html
@LeftieStats
Johnson's favourability in Hartlepool:
Favourable: 51% (+2)
Unfavourable: 28% (-2)
[Net rating: +23]
Starmer's favourability in Hartlepool:
Favourable: 22% (-2)
Unfavourable: 40% (+4)
[Net rating: -18]
Via
@Survation
, 23-29 April (+/- since 29 Mar-3 Apr)"
`https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1389479006475595778
If Boris Johnson wants my vote he should pass a law requiring all police officers to wear bodycams.
In 100 years historians will look back on people like you with disgust.
If you're attacking Abbott/Israel alone then that seems to be racism.
If you're attacking Abbott along with Rebecca Wrong Daily, Laura Pillock, the Jezziah and the rest of them - then that's not racist.
Had to give you a like for that
It's in the nature of political knockabout for the opponents of Labour to deride and snipe at anything the party says or does and of course the same is true for the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Greens, SNP, PC et al.
If you took out all the posts which were critical of another party or an individual in that party, this site would shrink 80% and we'd then face the appalling truth the only thing more tedious than posts criticising a party or Government are those supporting it (apart from, obviously, posts wittering on about pizza, Radiohead, other sports and
In some ways, the fog of extra-party criticism is part of the tactic of preventing the internal debate. Let's put an idea forward - that idea id immediately jumped on and rubbished - doesn't make it a bad idea, doesn't make it a good one either but sometimes parties have to go with policies and ideas which work for them.
To thine own self, be true - I believe is the saying.
One of the purposes of cross-party criticism is to weaken confidence, to encourage doubt, to question identity. A party without confidence or "belief" is going to go nowhere slowly.
It's not for me to suggest to Labour what their path should be - all I would say, despite what some on here seem to think, the country (and I'd argue the Conservative Party) needs a functioning opposition, a viable and credible political and policy alternative. Sooner or later, the Conservatives will become the victims of their own success or failure and at that point people will justifiably want to know what's next.
The problem is when (and it's when, not if) disillusionment with the Conservative sets in and people start casting around for alternatives, the absence of a reasonably rational alternative opens the door for all manner of irrational options - democracy is or should be the unending struggle between compelling, competing alternatives.
Also Labour is Corbynista in the long term, the most racist groups who oppose him are the ones who will die soonest and leave electoral power to those who are least racist.
A anti racist Labour in a Corbyn way is the future however much you rant about the children being wrong
As a gag gift from a friend I also have some Welsh flag cufflinks. Which I will never wear.
I'm quite the avid collector of cufflinks, I have about 20 or so, mostly Paul Smith ones.
and ... Line of Duty?
https://twitter.com/BBCTimDonovan/status/1389528330542665730
"Sadiq Khan sparring at his brother’s boxing club in Earlsfield as mayoral bout nears end"
Mind you my arthritic wife would look better than Starmer did.
Remember that in 2017 - the year of the Jeremy's big victory, 20% more people voted Tory than in 2015. OK so thats not much more than half of the 38% increase for Labour, but look what happened afterwards. Total vote tallies are irrelevant to the actual FPTP result, but indicative for trends.
TORY VOTE
2010 10.704m
2015 11.334m
2017 13.637m
2019 13.966m
LABOUR VOTE
2010 8.610m
2015 9.347m
2017 12.878m
2019 10.269m
The Tory vote has risen every year since 2001. The Labour vote - with the brief exception of the two party polarisation that boosted both parties in 2017 - has been crawling upwards. Labour's problem is not Starmer is not Corbyn is not Milliband. Labour's problem is Labour.
Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, appointed Martin Forde QC last May to investigate the leak of an unredacted report into the party’s complaints process. The report included details of alleged conversations between party officials about black MPs that were condemned as racist and led to a backlash among black Labour supporters.
Detractors say it is unclear why Forde has waited until now, 10 months after the information commissioner was informed of the data breach and seven months after the report was initially due to be delivered, to warn of the risk of prejudicing the external investigation.
“The possibility of a racist culture and a hostile environment for black members within the party needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency and the Forde inquiry is an important tool for doing just that,” the MPs said.
The signatories to the statement were Marsha de Cordova, the shadow women and equalities secretary, Chi Onwurah, the shadow science minister, and the MPs Diane Abbott, Dawn Butler, Florence Eshalomi, Kim Johnson, Clive Lewis, Kate Osamor and Bell Ribeiro-Addy.
That is my concern. I'm happy for them to go back to barking at the moon to their hearts content afterwards, so long as it's successfully expunged first.
TO CLARIFY
I don't care about waving flags as long as they are NOT swazstika's
Reminds me of my notes from when I studied politics years ago:
Politics is the creative but messy compromise of differing principles, interests and values; a way of ruling and organising divided societies without resorting to violence.
Politics is a process which allows us to learn to disagree well. It is difficult and continual.
There will be pockets of the US that do very well with vaccination. In WVA, where the initial good efforts are stalling somewhat, they are offering youngsters (the most vaccine hesitant group) $100 gift cards to get vaccinated.
The party promoted Anas Sarwar as the first BAME leader of a political party. Scottish Labour isn't a political party, but Sarwar isn't even the first BAME Labour leader - Ed Milliband doesn't count apparently.
208,362 new vaccinations registered in 🇬🇧 yesterday
🏴 59,113 1st doses / 99,785
🏴 8,806 / 21,451
🏴 9,713 / 2,808
NI 1,672 / 5,014
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1389566170588663810
Vaccine minister has replied to the Tweet saying they will improve this week.