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Justin, what the whole board is trying to explain to you is that the term is offensive about the child, who you agree is entirely free of any responsibility. Your views on the parents are very dated but that's a matter for you. But children through the ages have suffered by being called that term, and if you reflect you may agree that it's wrong to use it.justin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.13 -
Has Justin considered standing for the DUP leadership?
There is a vacancy.12 -
These things very much run in families, of course. Have you ever actually seen your own parents' marriage certificate?justin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough2 -
The DUP are too modern for Justin.Gardenwalker said:Has Justin considered standing for the DUP leadership?
There is a vacancy.3 -
Astute. He kept rising to the bait when provoked too, which meant he eventually crossed the line once too many.Leon said:
It's news to me, TBHTheScreamingEagles said:
We've known that for years.Leon said:So today we learned that Justin is bonkers.
OK
He's like Rod Crosby and the Jews when it comes to children born out of wedlock.
Entertaining yet also a little sad
I felt the same about Rod Crosby, who was, I think, something of a genius (and excellent value on maths, statistics, data, spreadsheets, and general chit chat) but get him on to the H*locaust and it was "Oh, they had swimming pools at Belsen" - not just eccentric, but 100% toys-in-the-attic craziness. I never worked out why he was like that. I'm not wholly convinced it was the usual anti-Semitism, it felt more like flat-earthery: ie a contrary opinion held for the sake of it, and the excitement of backing it up against universal disapproval
I wonder if this is an affliction common in political geeks. One small but particular area where a highly sound mind strays into nuttiness and contrariness
Frustrating as his betting tips (and models) were absolutely invaluable, but no-one is indispensable.0 -
I use the word in its legal context - and don't view it as being offensive nor do I intend that. It is very different to having a fierce argument with someone in the course of which you curse them by calling them 'bastards'. That is insulting - though it did not stop Denis Healey directing the term at left wing backbenchers in the Commons chamber in the 1970s.Gardenwalker said:
Doubt it. Unless you are 110.justin124 said:
My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are a nasty bigot that shames this forumjustin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
I think, as well, the language chosen is deliberately rude and provocative. I don’t think that’s ever been “mainstream”.
Re - mainstream. I would suggest my views were widely held in 1964 - even 1974.0 -
A bit of advice for family value traditionalists.Casino_Royale said:
For what it's worth, I hold fairly traditional views on the family - my wife and I waited until we were married before having ours, and most of my friends are the same - but, I wouldn't judge (still less abuse) those who chose differently.kle4 said:
You've been clear enough where you stand on these matters so I wouldn't want to bother joining in any chorus of condemnation even though I think your views on this are totally wrong, but I cannot recall why you are so against illegitimate children?justin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
Is it a religious thing? Do you think it means less chance of a happy, two parent home? (no matter that people divorce all the time)
It's not premarital sex if you never marry them.4 -
The PM job is probably underpaid, but I doubt anything will be done about that, but that's not an excuse for poor or compromising behaviour.Razedabode said:
It is ridiculous- most local authority chief executives get in excess of 200k..williamglenn said:
Give him a pay rise.Floater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
If something is wrong you fix it, you don't seek a workaround which can look, or be, a problem.0 -
So to paraphrase George Best. He spent his money on booze, women and fast cars. The rest he just squandered!another_richard said:
Boris is rich.Mexicanpete said:
Your oxymoron confuses me, surely as Johnson has no money he can't be considered a "rich" man.another_richard said:
A rich man with no money looks contemptible.nico679 said:I think what would really hurt Johnson is him moaning about not having enough money. This really will go down like a bucket of sick with most of the public .
Boris needs to stop spending and stop whining.
Boris is as poor as a church mouse, which is why all the rest of us church mice feel his financial pain.
He's earned millions, gets paid far more than the average person, will earn tens of millions when he leaves politics.
But he has money problems because of his chaotic lifestyle so he doesn't have the financial security he should have.1 -
The awfulness of the "little bastard" accusation is that it attaches an instant shame to an innocent baby who, in every sense, had no say in the circumstances of his or her birth
It is therefore akin to racism, or as bad as Critical Race Theory. It says you MUST be forever ashamed of yourself, because of your inferior birth, and that is that
It is vile. Happily almost no-one apart from Justin feels this way, AFAIK. I have not heard these sentiments in decades3 -
He doesn’t pay rent or a mortgage of course.kle4 said:
The PM job is probably underpaid, but I doubt anything will be done about that, but that's not an excuse for poor or compromising behaviour.Razedabode said:
It is ridiculous- most local authority chief executives get in excess of 200k..williamglenn said:
Give him a pay rise.Floater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
If something is wrong you fix it, you don't seek a workaround which can look, or be, a problem.
Unlike the local authority chief exec.0 -
Perhaps the royal family should pay for it ?Casino_Royale said:
I won't post much of the article due to the issues @TSE has previously cited with that, but:ping said:PoliticsForAlI
🚨 | BREAKING: The UK government is building a new £200 million ship and naming it after Prince Phillip
Via @Telegraph
£200m ???!!!
I’m not stumping up for the tele’s paywall. Is this taxpayers cash, presumably?
"Boris Johnson will announce within weeks a new national flagship named after the Duke of Edinburgh that will be seen as a successor to the Royal Yacht Britannia.
The new ship is expected to be named HMS Prince Philip and will boost British trade and drive investment into the UK economy.
The new ship would be crewed by the Royal Navy, senior sources said. It will be the first official government commemoration to Prince Philip. "
I literally said the Government would look to announce something to knock flatgate out the headlines, like, an hour ago.0 -
Yup - events can move rapidly - no doubt of that. I still expect Hartlepool to be a narrow hold. Somewhat less sure now on the WM Mayoralty. Liam Byrne might edge it which would be a shame. Teeside Will be held comfortably by Houchem. Not sure on West of England but Brabin surely will win in Yorkshire. Long-term, way too soon to write Boris off but personally would prefer Rishi as PM. We'll see. Big danger for Labour would be to think this is about reversing Brexit, etc, etc. Go down that road would be popular with many on the left and on twitter but it would be a big error.IanB2 said:
Did I imagine being here just a few days ago and so many PB super-forecasters insisted this wasn’t going to happen?Scott_xP said:Current CON lead by pollster:
Survation: +1 (29 Apr)
Focaldata: +1 (30 Apr)
Ipsos: +3 (22 Apr)
BMG: +4 (26 Apr)
Opinium: +5 (30 Apr)
ComRes: +7 (25 Apr)
Kantar: +8 (26 Apr)
NC Politics: +9 (29 Apr)
R&W: +10 (26 Apr)
YouGov: +11 (28 Apr)
Average: +5.9%
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1388579927302234113
Makes me more wary of their racing tips, TBH1 -
I don’t see how showering the Scots with cash is a good way to combat independence moves. It just keeps them coming them back for more, and pisses off the English at the same time. Much better to treat them like adults and actually allow them to have a referendum on whether they really want to go down that path. The polling evidence continues to be very mixed on that question. Clearly even those opposed to independence appear to see the big benefits of continually voting SNP in financial terms.Casino_Royale said:
This is shit. Why are they only doing this now?TheScreamingEagles said:Boris Johnson is planning to spend billions of pounds on new road and rail links and treating Scottish patients on English NHS beds in a desperate counter-offensive against Nicola Sturgeon.
The strategy to save the Union, to be unveiled days after a feared SNP landslide this week, will also offer student exchanges between UK nations and will see diplomats ordered to make the case against Scottish independence in foreign capitals.
Whitehall lawyers have also been ordered to sharpen their pens to fight in court any attempt by the SNP to call a referendum without the consent of the UK Government amid fears nationalists could win a Scottish Parliament majority this week.
Mr Johnson will chair a Downing Street meeting of senior Cabinet ministers including Michael Gove and Rishi Sunak this week, along with the secretaries of state for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, to finalise their cross-government response plan to Thursday's vote.
While the Tories are expected to do well in the English local elections, and even clinch an historic victory over Labour in the Hartlepool by-election, there are real fears of big gains for the SNP in Scotland and Plaid Cymru in Wales.
Fears SNP could launch independence bid immediately
Several Cabinet ministers and senior figures close to Mr Johnson this weekend privately expressed their grave fears at the prospect of a big win for Ms Sturgeon who – Downing Street sources fear – could try to order a new independence referendum as soon as the result is announced.
A senior source said that the result was likely to be "bloody awful" in Scotland.
One minister said that the SNP were viewing Thursday’s vote as “a referendum on a referendum. There is no room for complacency. We are in a bare knuckle fight.”
Another Cabinet minister privately advocated voting for other unionist parties than the Conservatives to see off the SNP threat. They said people should "vote for parties that will save the Union and avoid Scotland going into the chaos of economic uncertainty at a time when we have to build back better under Covid".
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/01/billions-scots-boris-johnson-plans-spending-spree-save-union/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1619899315
I read similar things months ago. They've done bugger all.
Grrr.0 -
Still no proper definition of Red Wall I see.
The YouGov poll of RW councils appears to include Bolton and Bury, 3 out of 5 swing seats all my lifetime. Only 1 nailed on Labour.
Oh. And my own constituency, which has been Tory since 1923.
And has had a Tory-led Council for the past 4 years.0 -
In a legal contest, the term I've seen used is illegitimate, out of wedlock, unwed, or lovechild.justin124 said:
I use the word in its legal context - and don't view it as being offensive nor do I intend that. It is very different to having a fierce argument with someone in the course of which you curse them by calling them 'bastards'. That is insulting - though it did not stop Denis Healey directing the term at left wing backbenchers in the Commons chamber in the 1970s.Gardenwalker said:
Doubt it. Unless you are 110.justin124 said:
My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are a nasty bigot that shames this forumjustin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
I think, as well, the language chosen is deliberately rude and provocative. I don’t think that’s ever been “mainstream”.
Re - mainstream. I would suggest my views were widely held in 1964 - even 1974.
I don't think I've ever seen the term bastard used in modern law.
Perhaps you can direct me to some recent examples where the term bastard is used in an English and Welsh legal context?1 -
I would suggest they were not. In 1964, many may have disapproved, but they likely also still had enough manners and taste to keep their unpleasant views to themselves. You, apparently, do not have either of those things.justin124 said:
I use the word in its legal context - and don't view it as being offensive nor do I intend that. It is very different to having a fierce argument with someone in the course of which you curse them by calling them 'bastards'. That is insulting - though it did not stop Denis Healey directing the term at left wing backbenchers in the Commons chamber in the 1970s.Gardenwalker said:
Doubt it. Unless you are 110.justin124 said:
My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are a nasty bigot that shames this forumjustin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
I think, as well, the language chosen is deliberately rude and provocative. I don’t think that’s ever been “mainstream”.
Re - mainstream. I would suggest my views were widely held in 1964 - even 1974.
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Council CEOs don’t get free accommodation, huge expenses allowances, and the rest.kle4 said:
The PM job is probably underpaid, but I doubt anything will be done about that, but that's not an excuse for poor or compromising behaviour.Razedabode said:
It is ridiculous- most local authority chief executives get in excess of 200k..williamglenn said:
Give him a pay rise.Floater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
If something is wrong you fix it, you don't seek a workaround which can look, or be, a problem.0 -
I didn't say anything about premarital sex.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit of advice for family value traditionalists.Casino_Royale said:
For what it's worth, I hold fairly traditional views on the family - my wife and I waited until we were married before having ours, and most of my friends are the same - but, I wouldn't judge (still less abuse) those who chose differently.kle4 said:
You've been clear enough where you stand on these matters so I wouldn't want to bother joining in any chorus of condemnation even though I think your views on this are totally wrong, but I cannot recall why you are so against illegitimate children?justin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
Is it a religious thing? Do you think it means less chance of a happy, two parent home? (no matter that people divorce all the time)
It's not premarital sex if you never marry them.0 -
It is ridiculous to appeal to some kind of legal context when you use what is commonly understood to be an insult.justin124 said:
I use the word in its legal context - and don't view it as being offensive nor do I intend that. It is very different to having a fierce argument with someone in the course of which you curse them by calling them 'bastards'. That is insulting - though it did not stop Denis Healey directing the term at left wing backbenchers in the Commons chamber in the 1970s.Gardenwalker said:
Doubt it. Unless you are 110.justin124 said:
My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are a nasty bigot that shames this forumjustin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
I think, as well, the language chosen is deliberately rude and provocative. I don’t think that’s ever been “mainstream”.
Re - mainstream. I would suggest my views were widely held in 1964 - even 1974.
You must dimly be aware that you have, in fact, insulted many on here.0 -
Wait until you hear about what some in the Catholic Church say about babies and kids who are not baptised.Leon said:The awfulness of the "little bastard" accusation is that it attaches an instant shame to an innocent baby who, in every sense, had no say in the circumstances of his or her birth
It is therefore akin to racism, or as bad as Critical Race Theory. It says you MUST be forever ashamed of yourself, because of your inferior birth, and that is that
It is vile. Happily almost no-one apart from Justin feels this way, AFAIK. I have not heard these sentiments in decades1 -
Those dreadful orphanages in Australia and Ireland weren’t closed that long agoLeon said:The awfulness of the "little bastard" accusation is that it attaches an instant shame to an innocent baby who, in every sense, had no say in the circumstances of his or her birth
It is therefore akin to racism, or as bad as Critical Race Theory. It says you MUST be forever ashamed of yourself, because of your inferior birth, and that is that
It is vile. Happily almost no-one apart from Justin feels this way, AFAIK. I have not heard these sentiments in decades0 -
I know, I just wanted an excuse to post my joke.Casino_Royale said:
I didn't say anything about premarital sex.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit of advice for family value traditionalists.Casino_Royale said:
For what it's worth, I hold fairly traditional views on the family - my wife and I waited until we were married before having ours, and most of my friends are the same - but, I wouldn't judge (still less abuse) those who chose differently.kle4 said:
You've been clear enough where you stand on these matters so I wouldn't want to bother joining in any chorus of condemnation even though I think your views on this are totally wrong, but I cannot recall why you are so against illegitimate children?justin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
Is it a religious thing? Do you think it means less chance of a happy, two parent home? (no matter that people divorce all the time)
It's not premarital sex if you never marry them.5 -
Presumably it’s because of the difficulties they cause geneologists of the future trying to understand family history from census forms.kle4 said:
You've been clear enough where you stand on these matters so I wouldn't want to bother joining in any chorus of condemnation even though I think your views on this are totally wrong, but I cannot recall why you are so against illegitimate children?justin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
Is it a religious thing? Do you think it means less chance of a happy, two parent home? (no matter that people divorce all the time)0 -
Which is part of why it doesn't need to be a massive salary, but I could see it being raised if some of the allowances etc are reduced.IanB2 said:
Council CEOs don’t get free accommodation, huge expenses allowances, and the rest.kle4 said:
The PM job is probably underpaid, but I doubt anything will be done about that, but that's not an excuse for poor or compromising behaviour.Razedabode said:
It is ridiculous- most local authority chief executives get in excess of 200k..williamglenn said:
Give him a pay rise.Floater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
If something is wrong you fix it, you don't seek a workaround which can look, or be, a problem.0 -
Nor indeed does he incur any travel expenses.Gardenwalker said:
He doesn’t pay rent or a mortgage of course.kle4 said:
The PM job is probably underpaid, but I doubt anything will be done about that, but that's not an excuse for poor or compromising behaviour.Razedabode said:
It is ridiculous- most local authority chief executives get in excess of 200k..williamglenn said:
Give him a pay rise.Floater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
If something is wrong you fix it, you don't seek a workaround which can look, or be, a problem.
Unlike the local authority chief exec.0 -
My dad was born in 1935 and he would never think of using the word “bastard” in this way.
I dimly recall “lovechild” being the term in slightly censorious early 80s NZ.0 -
Of course doing something before an election is the useful course of action ...TheScreamingEagles said:Boris Johnson is planning to spend billions of pounds on new road and rail links and treating Scottish patients on English NHS beds in a desperate counter-offensive against Nicola Sturgeon.
The strategy to save the Union, to be unveiled days after a feared SNP landslide this week, will also offer student exchanges between UK nations and will see diplomats ordered to make the case against Scottish independence in foreign capitals.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/01/billions-scots-boris-johnson-plans-spending-spree-save-union/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=16198993150 -
I thought that 'extra marital sex' meant that you get more sex once you are married.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit of advice for family value traditionalists.Casino_Royale said:
For what it's worth, I hold fairly traditional views on the family - my wife and I waited until we were married before having ours, and most of my friends are the same - but, I wouldn't judge (still less abuse) those who chose differently.kle4 said:
You've been clear enough where you stand on these matters so I wouldn't want to bother joining in any chorus of condemnation even though I think your views on this are totally wrong, but I cannot recall why you are so against illegitimate children?justin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
Is it a religious thing? Do you think it means less chance of a happy, two parent home? (no matter that people divorce all the time)
It's not premarital sex if you never marry them.
More fool me.1 -
I saw on Twitter that he does have to pay Council tax. But the figure given was less than I have to bloody well pay.dixiedean said:
Nor indeed does he incur any travel expenses.Gardenwalker said:
He doesn’t pay rent or a mortgage of course.kle4 said:
The PM job is probably underpaid, but I doubt anything will be done about that, but that's not an excuse for poor or compromising behaviour.Razedabode said:
It is ridiculous- most local authority chief executives get in excess of 200k..williamglenn said:
Give him a pay rise.Floater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
If something is wrong you fix it, you don't seek a workaround which can look, or be, a problem.
Unlike the local authority chief exec.0 -
also: having already said she "is not his wife" "little bastard" is tautology, and therefore the purpose of the word is clearly only to insult and nothing else.Gardenwalker said:
It is ridiculous to appeal to some kind of legal context when you use what is commonly understood to be an insult.justin124 said:
I use the word in its legal context - and don't view it as being offensive nor do I intend that. It is very different to having a fierce argument with someone in the course of which you curse them by calling them 'bastards'. That is insulting - though it did not stop Denis Healey directing the term at left wing backbenchers in the Commons chamber in the 1970s.Gardenwalker said:
Doubt it. Unless you are 110.justin124 said:
My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are a nasty bigot that shames this forumjustin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
I think, as well, the language chosen is deliberately rude and provocative. I don’t think that’s ever been “mainstream”.
Re - mainstream. I would suggest my views were widely held in 1964 - even 1974.
You must dimly be aware that you have, in fact, insulted many on here.0 -
That's a disingenuous response. You must know that other people do not casually refer to illegitimate children with an archaic use of the word bastard. If they mentioned it at all they might say illegitimate, or born out of wedlock, perhaps.justin124 said:
I use the word in its legal context - and don't view it as being offensive nor do I intend that.Gardenwalker said:
Doubt it. Unless you are 110.justin124 said:
My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are a nasty bigot that shames this forumjustin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
I think, as well, the language chosen is deliberately rude and provocative. I don’t think that’s ever been “mainstream”.
So your use of it is a decision, designed to be provocative. The initial use of 'little' made that pretty obvious, since why would you need to specify that the baby was little? No, you wanted to add a bit of spice to the insult. It's like Starkey and his 'Damn Blacks' comment - people wouldn't have liked it regardless, but the additional word added more to it.2 -
I emailed with Mister Crosby for a while, after he left PB (or was hurled out for his H*olocaust madness). In private emails he was as diverting and engaging as he was (usually) on PB. Full of interesting theories with plausible data. He made some bold predictions which came true. He was affable, and wittyCasino_Royale said:
Astute. He kept rising to the bait when provoked too, which meant he eventually crossed the line once too many.Leon said:
It's news to me, TBHTheScreamingEagles said:
We've known that for years.Leon said:So today we learned that Justin is bonkers.
OK
He's like Rod Crosby and the Jews when it comes to children born out of wedlock.
Entertaining yet also a little sad
I felt the same about Rod Crosby, who was, I think, something of a genius (and excellent value on maths, statistics, data, spreadsheets, and general chit chat) but get him on to the H*locaust and it was "Oh, they had swimming pools at Belsen" - not just eccentric, but 100% toys-in-the-attic craziness. I never worked out why he was like that. I'm not wholly convinced it was the usual anti-Semitism, it felt more like flat-earthery: ie a contrary opinion held for the sake of it, and the excitement of backing it up against universal disapproval
I wonder if this is an affliction common in political geeks. One small but particular area where a highly sound mind strays into nuttiness and contrariness
Frustrating as his betting tips (and models) were absolutely invaluable, but no-one is indispensable.
All of this made the Auschwitz stuff even weirder. An idee fixe0 -
There isn't a legal context anyway. I don't know of any statute or judgment where the word is used.Gardenwalker said:
It is ridiculous to appeal to some kind of legal context when you use what is commonly understood to be an insult.justin124 said:
I use the word in its legal context - and don't view it as being offensive nor do I intend that. It is very different to having a fierce argument with someone in the course of which you curse them by calling them 'bastards'. That is insulting - though it did not stop Denis Healey directing the term at left wing backbenchers in the Commons chamber in the 1970s.Gardenwalker said:
Doubt it. Unless you are 110.justin124 said:
My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are a nasty bigot that shames this forumjustin124 said:
I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.Leon said:
But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?justin124 said:
It is ,however, a statement of fact.ping said:
That’s not cricket.justin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18
I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough
I think, as well, the language chosen is deliberately rude and provocative. I don’t think that’s ever been “mainstream”.
Re - mainstream. I would suggest my views were widely held in 1964 - even 1974.
You must dimly be aware that you have, in fact, insulted many on here.
Demographics being what they are, there'll be lots of readers of this site who are or are parents of children born oow. Not for me to tell the mods what to do, but this stuff strikes me as being no more acceptable than racism or sexism.1 -
I know it's just me - but cannot help wondering, what Mr. Gene Autry would have to say about calling a little baby a nasty name, for whatever reason short of having to actually whip the kid's foul bottom?
Probably not much. And certainly nothing nice. Because HE was a gentleman.0 -
I just don't see it that way. Western colonial exploitation of other places and peoples is one of the biggest formative influences of the world we live in and it's left a deep and insidious legacy of white supremacy racism. It's not self indulgent to recognize that and neither will it sap our moral fibre and render us powerless in the face of this new and aggressive Chinese colonialism. Standing up to China requires moral courage not cowardice. And courage involves making eye contact with hard truths rather than looking over their shoulder and searching for less challenging company.Casino_Royale said:
If you want the West to survive it needs to go away.kinabalu said:
Yes, astute. The reckoning with the legacy of colonialism won't be going away.Casino_Royale said:
If you want that* then the key place to watch for on Thursday is Scotland.Leon said:
I'd like a really looooooong period of Zero Politics, voter apathy, boring elections, NO REFERENDUMSdixiedean said:
I have to agree. Minus the first bit.Casino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
Folk are emotionally drained.
Just the usual stale rubbish. Like it used to be, like 2000-2008, or 1985-1990. Or the 9th century, when all you had to worry about was a potential monster in the mere, and the Anglo Saxon kings ruled serenely, justly and apparently forever
(*we won't get it anyway because both those periods you cite were predicated on a confident West that defined the international order and delivered decent economic growth, with debate on how to best to deploy it/ allocate it rather than existential self-doubt and identity politics)
There is no need for a "reckoning". We're hand-wringing about stuff that happened hundreds of years ago for which no-one today was responsible, and even more crazily trying to drive real policy off the back of it, whilst apologising for China undertaking actual colonialism today towards Xinjiang, Tibet and Taiwan that makes us look like a teddy's bear picnic.
The self-indulgence is pathetic. It's born of a crisis of confidence in ourselves (this is all about us) and will be our downfall unless we can get over it - fast.1 -
This thread has been declared bankrupt thanks to Carrie.1
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You mean, the REAL bastards?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait until you hear about what some in the Catholic Church say about babies and kids who are not baptised.Leon said:The awfulness of the "little bastard" accusation is that it attaches an instant shame to an innocent baby who, in every sense, had no say in the circumstances of his or her birth
It is therefore akin to racism, or as bad as Critical Race Theory. It says you MUST be forever ashamed of yourself, because of your inferior birth, and that is that
It is vile. Happily almost no-one apart from Justin feels this way, AFAIK. I have not heard these sentiments in decades0 -
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They were views which were mean spirited and cruel even in the 1950s.justin124 said:
You are supposed to be the proud Conservative - but on these matters I appear to hold more traditional views re-family values' than you do! This is not at all a party political point - there are many on the Labour side who can be similarly criticised.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are a nasty piece of workjustin124 said:
Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.Leon said:
I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.Gardenwalker said:
I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.Stuartinromford said:
If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.alex_ said:
Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...Leon said:
Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICKFloater said:Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198
Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat
He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting
He has a new little boy to look after, as well
You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.
However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)
He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do
Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing
My son and his partner of 10 years have two of our grandchildren and they are a wonderful family
You belong to the age of the dinosaur
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I can assure you that there are people who hold stronger views on this than my own.I knew a guy - now sadly deceased - who told a group of us in a local pub how during his infancy the local vicar hesitated and pondered a long time before agreeing to baptise him. The hesitation derived not from this fellow having been 'born' out of wedlock - he hadn't - but because he had been 'conceived' out of wedlock. I actually believe that clergyman was very wrong to hesitate in that way - even had he been 'born' out of wedlock - because the child was innocent.Leon said:The awfulness of the "little bastard" accusation is that it attaches an instant shame to an innocent baby who, in every sense, had no say in the circumstances of his or her birth
It is therefore akin to racism, or as bad as Critical Race Theory. It says you MUST be forever ashamed of yourself, because of your inferior birth, and that is that
It is vile. Happily almost no-one apart from Justin feels this way, AFAIK. I have not heard these sentiments in decades0 -
Have I jiust gone back in time to Victorian times?
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