On the YouGov/Survation split the latter has a record of picking up moves to LAB better – politicalb

ping said:

PoliticsForAlI
🚨 | BREAKING: The UK government is building a new £200 million ship and naming it after Prince Phillip

Via @Telegraph

£200m ???!!!

I’m not stumping up for the tele’s paywall. Is this taxpayers cash, presumably?

another_richard said:

Gardenwalker said:

another_richard said:

Saw my first goslings of the year today.

What a day for walking in the English countryside.

Calves and lambs, rabbits and pheasants, deer and alpacas, grebes and ducklings, streams and lakes, ancient hilltop villages and medieval churches, Georgian halls and old stone farmhouses.

If it was in Tuscany or Provence eloi travel writers would be declaring it an earthly paradise.

But it wasn't, it was just off the M18.

Barnsley was once described (by a regeneration company PR, I think) as “like a Tuscan hill town”.

It produced a certain level of ridicule in the rest of Yorkshire.

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

Gardenwalker said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Taz said:

Gardenwalker said:

Taz said:

Johnson is toast. The wallpaper ‘scandal’ will finish him off.

Hmm.
Had you down as a fanboi.

I think he’ll ride this out, but be severely dented.

That term fanboi !!

I’ve never voted Tory in my life. Voted labour in 2019 and every general election back to 1983.

I just don’t believe in judging him guilty without proof. I also don’t really like labour at the moment,mit is devoid of any ideas and any talent. The top team is a waste of space. They can only win on the weakness of their opponents. New labour had a vision.

If he’s dented he’ll limp on until he is put out of his misery.

I agree, but it really pisses me off that people on here hold Keir to a much higher standard than someone who is basically a crooked clown.

Just imagine how Joe Biden feels.

Joe Biden was also routinely disparaged on here.

But he is - whisper it - basically setting the agenda for centre left politics for the foreseeable future.

A Green win in Germany and this country is going to look like a backward outlier - a bit like we in turn view the DUP.

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Taz said:

Gardenwalker said:

Taz said:

Johnson is toast. The wallpaper ‘scandal’ will finish him off.

Hmm.
Had you down as a fanboi.

I think he’ll ride this out, but be severely dented.

That term fanboi !!

I’ve never voted Tory in my life. Voted labour in 2019 and every general election back to 1983.

I just don’t believe in judging him guilty without proof. I also don’t really like labour at the moment,mit is devoid of any ideas and any talent. The top team is a waste of space. They can only win on the weakness of their opponents. New labour had a vision.

If he’s dented he’ll limp on until he is put out of his misery.

I agree, but it really pisses me off that people on here hold Keir to a much higher standard than someone who is basically a crooked clown.

Just imagine how Joe Biden feels.

Joe Biden was also routinely disparaged on here.

But he is - whisper it - basically setting the agenda for centre left politics for the foreseeable future.

A Green win in Germany and this country is going to look like a backward outlier - a bit like we in turn view the DUP.

Backward outlier, or business-friendly safe haven?

TheScreamingEagles said:

alex_ said:

The thing I find somewhat uncommented on about the refurbishment story, is questioning quite why the (temporary) occupants can implement a total overhaul, just because they don’t like its current decor. Most temporary occupants of flats don’t have the right to do this, so why should the PM? Why be allowed to implement refurbishments designed to last 10-15 years when PMs on average last a lot shorter? Given anyway the generousity of the 30k budget, I don’t see why they should be allowed to spend any more, even if paid for themselves.

Because quite frankly Downing Street is a dump, especially when compared to other houses of world leaders.

It needs constant improvements.

There's a reason PMs regularly decamp to Chequers.

Chevening is the best government residence. It is why I would accept being Foreign Secretary.

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

Joe Biden was also routinely disparaged on here.

But he is - whisper it - basically setting the agenda for centre left politics for the foreseeable future.

A Green win in Germany and this country is going to look like a backward outlier - a bit like we in turn view the DUP.

Backward outlier, or business-friendly safe haven?

Mexicanpete said:

ping said:

PoliticsForAlI
🚨 | BREAKING: The UK government is building a new £200 million ship and naming it after Prince Phillip

Via @Telegraph

£200m ???!!!

I’m not stumping up for the tele’s paywall. Is this taxpayers cash, presumably?

Is this a naval military vessel or the Royal Yacht Boris?

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fucking hell.

Senior Conservatives say donors have been approached about funding other aspects of the couple’s lifestyle. A prominent MP received a complaint from a Tory donor that they were asked to foot the bill for a nanny for Wilfred, Johnson’s son with Symonds, who turned one last week. The donor is alleged to have said: “I don’t mind paying for leaflets but I resent being asked to pay to literally wipe the prime minister’s baby’s bottom.”

He cannot possibly have been so stupid, can he? I get all the stuff about who you hang out with, and he will judge against the super rich, and his divorces etc, but his past earnings and salary are enough to live on very comfortably, why is he so bloody skint?.

He's not very good with money plus his divorces and child support costs him, and his ex wife took him to the cleaners.

Friends say Johnson rarely spends money on himself and is often careless with his financial affairs. “He was often the sort of person who would forget to pay at the end of a meal or would leave lots of money on the table and then forget to pick up the change,” said one former aide. He once left a tip for a hairdresser in euros not pounds, to her dismay. Johnson’s one indulgence is a pair of Church’s shoes, which can cost £750. However, they were often full of holes, according to friends, because he used them to brake as he rode around London on his bike.

“He gives a lot of control over his affairs to staff in his office, including his tax return, which is why it sometimes blows up in his face,” the former aide said.

Johnson has been reprimanded in the past for failing to register financial interests in parliament as required. The concern in No 10 is that the commissioner for standards, who is considering whether to investigate the redecoration of the flat, in addition to the inquiry into the Mustique holiday, could recommend that he is suspended from the Commons.

Church’s have only been priced “up to £750” very recently as part of a brand positioning exercise by the owners, Prada.

I'm more of a Louis Vuitton and Gucci shoes kinda guy.

Crockett and Jones brogues are well designed, very comfortable, British made, and won’t break the bank.

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

another_richard said:

nico679 said:

I think what would really hurt Johnson is him moaning about not having enough money. This really will go down like a bucket of sick with most of the public .

A rich man with no money looks contemptible.

Boris needs to stop spending and stop whining.

Leon said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fucking hell.

Senior Conservatives say donors have been approached about funding other aspects of the couple’s lifestyle. A prominent MP received a complaint from a Tory donor that they were asked to foot the bill for a nanny for Wilfred, Johnson’s son with Symonds, who turned one last week. The donor is alleged to have said: “I don’t mind paying for leaflets but I resent being asked to pay to literally wipe the prime minister’s baby’s bottom.”

He cannot possibly have been so stupid, can he? I get all the stuff about who you hang out with, and he will judge against the super rich, and his divorces etc, but his past earnings and salary are enough to live on very comfortably, why is he so bloody skint?.

He's not very good with money plus his divorces and child support costs him, and his ex wife took him to the cleaners.

Friends say Johnson rarely spends money on himself and is often careless with his financial affairs. “He was often the sort of person who would forget to pay at the end of a meal or would leave lots of money on the table and then forget to pick up the change,” said one former aide. He once left a tip for a hairdresser in euros not pounds, to her dismay. Johnson’s one indulgence is a pair of Church’s shoes, which can cost £750. However, they were often full of holes, according to friends, because he used them to brake as he rode around London on his bike.

“He gives a lot of control over his affairs to staff in his office, including his tax return, which is why it sometimes blows up in his face,” the former aide said.

Johnson has been reprimanded in the past for failing to register financial interests in parliament as required. The concern in No 10 is that the commissioner for standards, who is considering whether to investigate the redecoration of the flat, in addition to the inquiry into the Mustique holiday, could recommend that he is suspended from the Commons.

Church’s have only been priced “up to £750” very recently as part of a brand positioning exercise by the owners, Prada.

I'm more of a Louis Vuitton and Gucci shoes kinda guy.

Crockett and Jones brogues are well designed, very comfortable, British made, and won’t break the bank.

C&J are edging up to £500-700 for brogues, so not impulse buys by any means.

Never scrimp on shoes

It is what women look at, when judging a man. Spend as much as you can, then add 10%. Jermyn & Northants is best.

Also, they last forever if you look after them

Mexicanpete said:

another_richard said:

nico679 said:

I think what would really hurt Johnson is him moaning about not having enough money. This really will go down like a bucket of sick with most of the public .

A rich man with no money looks contemptible.

Boris needs to stop spending and stop whining.

Your oxymoron confuses me, surely as Johnson has no money he can't be considered a "rich" man.

Boris is as poor as a church mouse, which is why all the rest of us church mice feel his financial pain.

Scott_xP said:

Casino_Royale said:

You refuse to be persuaded to lay down your arms unless you hear it direct from The Emperor.

I am one of those who can see the Emperor has no clothes.

One day you will see it too.

ping said:

PoliticsForAlI
🚨 | BREAKING: The UK government is building a new £200 million ship and naming it after Prince Phillip

Via @Telegraph

£200m ???!!!

I’m not stumping up for the tele’s paywall. Is this taxpayers cash, presumably?

another_richard said:

I wonder if Carrie will find her influence somewhat diminished.

No bad thing in my view.

The Boris government seems a bit more like a court than governments tend to or should.

So if Carrie is on the out who will get more opportunity to be the 'evil advisor'.

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Casino_Royale said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

MarqueeMark said:

I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.

Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free

Labour: ???

Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.

I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.

I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.

I have to agree. Minus the first bit.
Folk are emotionally drained.

I'd like a really looooooong period of Zero Politics, voter apathy, boring elections, NO REFERENDUMS

Just the usual stale rubbish. Like it used to be, like 2000-2008, or 1985-1990. Or the 9th century, when all you had to worry about was a potential monster in the mere, and the Anglo Saxon kings ruled serenely, justly and apparently forever

If you want that* then the key place to watch for on Thursday is Scotland.

(*we won't get it anyway because both those periods you cite were predicated on a confident West that defined the international order and delivered decent economic growth, with debate on how to best to deploy it/ allocate it rather than existential self-doubt and identity politics)

Leon said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gardenwalker said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Fucking hell.

Senior Conservatives say donors have been approached about funding other aspects of the couple’s lifestyle. A prominent MP received a complaint from a Tory donor that they were asked to foot the bill for a nanny for Wilfred, Johnson’s son with Symonds, who turned one last week. The donor is alleged to have said: “I don’t mind paying for leaflets but I resent being asked to pay to literally wipe the prime minister’s baby’s bottom.”

He cannot possibly have been so stupid, can he? I get all the stuff about who you hang out with, and he will judge against the super rich, and his divorces etc, but his past earnings and salary are enough to live on very comfortably, why is he so bloody skint?.

He's not very good with money plus his divorces and child support costs him, and his ex wife took him to the cleaners.

Friends say Johnson rarely spends money on himself and is often careless with his financial affairs. “He was often the sort of person who would forget to pay at the end of a meal or would leave lots of money on the table and then forget to pick up the change,” said one former aide. He once left a tip for a hairdresser in euros not pounds, to her dismay. Johnson’s one indulgence is a pair of Church’s shoes, which can cost £750. However, they were often full of holes, according to friends, because he used them to brake as he rode around London on his bike.

“He gives a lot of control over his affairs to staff in his office, including his tax return, which is why it sometimes blows up in his face,” the former aide said.

Johnson has been reprimanded in the past for failing to register financial interests in parliament as required. The concern in No 10 is that the commissioner for standards, who is considering whether to investigate the redecoration of the flat, in addition to the inquiry into the Mustique holiday, could recommend that he is suspended from the Commons.

Church’s have only been priced “up to £750” very recently as part of a brand positioning exercise by the owners, Prada.

I'm more of a Louis Vuitton and Gucci shoes kinda guy.

Crockett and Jones brogues are well designed, very comfortable, British made, and won’t break the bank.

C&J are edging up to £500-700 for brogues, so not impulse buys by any means.

Never scrimp on shoes

It is what women look at, when judging a man. Spend as much as you can, then add 10%. Jermyn & Northants is best.

Also, they last forever if you look after them

justin124 said:

ping said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

That’s not cricket.

It is ,however, a statement of fact.

Taz said:

Johnson is toast. The wallpaper ‘scandal’ will finish him off.

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

Leon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dr_spyn said:

Boris Johnson is emulating Churchill's inability to live within his means.

And that to my mind is why I expect he will leave Office sooner rather than later

He can make millions outside the HOC

His memoir will earn him sensational money. A colourful life, a flamboyant career, then PM of the UK for Brexit and Covid, the most interesting period in British history since 1945. AND he writes well, so he doesn't need a ghost

He will make £10m. The US publishers will want it. The French and Germans. Everyone will want it. Might easily be serialised by TV, movies. The Crown Mark 2

Squillions beckon. He could leave in 2022 having guided us thru Brexit and seen off Covid. Job done

kinabalu said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Casino_Royale said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

MarqueeMark said:

I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.

Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free

Labour: ???

Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.

I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.

I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.

I have to agree. Minus the first bit.
Folk are emotionally drained.

I'd like a really looooooong period of Zero Politics, voter apathy, boring elections, NO REFERENDUMS

Just the usual stale rubbish. Like it used to be, like 2000-2008, or 1985-1990. Or the 9th century, when all you had to worry about was a potential monster in the mere, and the Anglo Saxon kings ruled serenely, justly and apparently forever

If you want that* then the key place to watch for on Thursday is Scotland.

(*we won't get it anyway because both those periods you cite were predicated on a confident West that defined the international order and delivered decent economic growth, with debate on how to best to deploy it/ allocate it rather than existential self-doubt and identity politics)

Yes, astute. The reckoning with the legacy of colonialism won't be going away.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Boris Johnson is planning to spend billions of pounds on new road and rail links and treating Scottish patients on English NHS beds in a desperate counter-offensive against Nicola Sturgeon.

The strategy to save the Union, to be unveiled days after a feared SNP landslide this week, will also offer student exchanges between UK nations and will see diplomats ordered to make the case against Scottish independence in foreign capitals.

Whitehall lawyers have also been ordered to sharpen their pens to fight in court any attempt by the SNP to call a referendum without the consent of the UK Government amid fears nationalists could win a Scottish Parliament majority this week.

Mr Johnson will chair a Downing Street meeting of senior Cabinet ministers including Michael Gove and Rishi Sunak this week, along with the secretaries of state for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, to finalise their cross-government response plan to Thursday's vote.

While the Tories are expected to do well in the English local elections, and even clinch an historic victory over Labour in the Hartlepool by-election, there are real fears of big gains for the SNP in Scotland and Plaid Cymru in Wales.

Fears SNP could launch independence bid immediately
Several Cabinet ministers and senior figures close to Mr Johnson this weekend privately expressed their grave fears at the prospect of a big win for Ms Sturgeon who – Downing Street sources ails fear – could try to order a new independence referendum as soon as the result is announced.

A senior source said that the result was likely to be "bloody awful" in Scotland.

One minister said that the SNP were viewing Thursday’s vote as “a referendum on a referendum. There is no room for complacency. We are in a bare knuckle fight.”

Another Cabinet minister privately advocated voting for other unionist parties than the Conservatives to see off the SNP threat. They said people should "vote for parties that will save the Union and avoid Scotland going into the chaos of economic uncertainty at a time when we have to build back better under Covid".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/01/billions-scots-boris-johnson-plans-spending-spree-save-union/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1619899315

Gardenwalker said:

The reason the wallpaper cuts through is the “one rule for them” feeling.

“Bodies piling high” may shock some, but most would construe it as extreme exasperation; allowable in the circs.

justin124 said:

Leon said:

justin124 said:

ping said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

That’s not cricket.

It is ,however, a statement of fact.

But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?

It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18

I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough

I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.

justin124 said:

Leon said:

justin124 said:

ping said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

That’s not cricket.

It is ,however, a statement of fact.

But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?

It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18

I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough

I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.

justin124 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

You are a nasty piece of work

My son and his partner of 10 years have two of our grandchildren and they are a wonderful family

You belong to the age of the dinosaur

You are supposed to be the proud Conservative - but on these matters I appear to hold more traditional views re-family values' than you do! This is not at all a party political point - there are many on the Labour side who can be similarly criticised.

justin124 said:

ping said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

That’s not cricket.

It is ,however, a statement of fact.

Taz said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Stuartinromford said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Oh dear, oh dear.

Senior Tory sources say that Johnson has taken out a commercial loan to repay the money he owes to the party. No 10 refuses to confirm or deny this claim. The ministerial code of conduct stipulates that even bank loans should be registered, to avoid conflicts of interest. The register of ministerial interests has not been updated since July last year.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/can-boris-johnson-afford-to-be-prime-minister-m2brczgq9?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1619889309

How stupid can this man be?

He had masses of public goodwill at the start of Covid, which he and Dom blew.

He got masses of public credit for the vaccine rollout, which he and Carrie are blowing.

That's how stupid this man is.

But every time he blows it the suckers forgive him.

Same with The SNP regime and their many failings.

Mexicanpete said:

Casino_Royale said:

ydoethur said:

ping said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dr_spyn said:

Boris Johnson is emulating Churchill's inability to live within his means.

And that to my mind is why I expect he will leave Office sooner rather than later

He can make millions outside the HOC

Although Churchill held on for at least two years (arguably six) longer than he should have done. Eden was getting very impatient with his reluctance to retire and Macmillan actually thought there was a chance the government was drifting to collapse because Churchill’s brain damage from his second stroke was so severe.

Politicians give up power very reluctantly. Am I right in thinking the only Prime Minister in your lifetime who has given it up willingly before it was effectively dragged off him was Wilson in 1976? And arguably, he should have resigned after the debacle of 1970.

Er, Blair went before he was pushed.

He really, really didn’t. He had intended to stay until at least 2009.

By 2006 Labour Party politics were such that he'd have been pushed out in 2007 if he hadn't agreed to quit.

...or under a bus by Brown.

Theuniondivvie said:

A headline to set HYUFD's loins rustling

https://twitter.com/UKDefJournal/status/1388402027038978048?s=20

Leon said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

justin124 said:

ping said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

That’s not cricket.

It is ,however, a statement of fact.

But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?

It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18

I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough

I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.

F off.

"Little bastard" is deeply offensive. You know it. Would you say that to the faces of the parents? You deserve to get punched if you do. I would personally punch you if you referred to either of my daughters that way, in my presence, because they were born with partners not wives?

If is also self-defeating. Makes you sound insane. Desist, for your own sake

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Boris Johnson is planning to spend billions of pounds on new road and rail links and treating Scottish patients on English NHS beds in a desperate counter-offensive against Nicola Sturgeon.

The strategy to save the Union, to be unveiled days after a feared SNP landslide this week, will also offer student exchanges between UK nations and will see diplomats ordered to make the case against Scottish independence in foreign capitals.

Whitehall lawyers have also been ordered to sharpen their pens to fight in court any attempt by the SNP to call a referendum without the consent of the UK Government amid fears nationalists could win a Scottish Parliament majority this week.

Mr Johnson will chair a Downing Street meeting of senior Cabinet ministers including Michael Gove and Rishi Sunak this week, along with the secretaries of state for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, to finalise their cross-government response plan to Thursday's vote.

While the Tories are expected to do well in the English local elections, and even clinch an historic victory over Labour in the Hartlepool by-election, there are real fears of big gains for the SNP in Scotland and Plaid Cymru in Wales.

Fears SNP could launch independence bid immediately
Several Cabinet ministers and senior figures close to Mr Johnson this weekend privately expressed their grave fears at the prospect of a big win for Ms Sturgeon who – Downing Street sources ails fear – could try to order a new independence referendum as soon as the result is announced.

A senior source said that the result was likely to be "bloody awful" in Scotland.

One minister said that the SNP were viewing Thursday’s vote as “a referendum on a referendum. There is no room for complacency. We are in a bare knuckle fight.”

Another Cabinet minister privately advocated voting for other unionist parties than the Conservatives to see off the SNP threat. They said people should "vote for parties that will save the Union and avoid Scotland going into the chaos of economic uncertainty at a time when we have to build back better under Covid".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/01/billions-scots-boris-johnson-plans-spending-spree-save-union/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1619899315

Such hysteria doesn’t really fit with the available polling.

I was looking at the Scottish polling and I noticed a few similarities between Douglas Ross and Iain Grey in 2011.

I'm feeling optimistic on the Tories finishing third in Scotland bets.

justin124 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

justin124 said:

ping said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

That’s not cricket.

It is ,however, a statement of fact.

But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?

It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18

I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough

I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.

You are a nasty bigot that shames this forum

My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

So today we learned that Justin is bonkers.

OK

We've known that for years.

He's like Rod Crosby and the Jews when it comes to children born out of wedlock.

TheScreamingEagles said:

justin124 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

justin124 said:

ping said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

That’s not cricket.

It is ,however, a statement of fact.

But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?

It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18

I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough

I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.

You are a nasty bigot that shames this forum

My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.

You know what was also mainstream decades ago?

Arresting, imprisoning, and chemically castrating homosexuals.

Society moves on, except you.

Mexicanpete said:

justin124 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

justin124 said:

ping said:

justin124 said:

Leon said:

Gardenwalker said:

Stuartinromford said:

alex_ said:

Leon said:

Floater said:

Lights blue touch paper and stands waaaay back

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1388543057965064198


Boris Johnson has told friends he needs £300,000 a year to stay afloat

Sounds like he is getting ready to go. Covid: DONE, Brexit: DONE, become Prime Minister? - TICK


He nailed the top job, won a big majority, destroyed Corbyn, so: leave now for amazing money in a private life? Must be very very tempting

He has a new little boy to look after, as well

Will Carrie stick with him? The refurbs would suggest she was hoping to stick around a bit longer in Downing Street...

If the plan was to leave in a year or two, they might as well have just hung some posters up.

You can get that one of the lady tennis player for under a tenner.

I imagine that was already on Boris’s Pinterest “inspiration” board, but Carrie had other ideas.

I imagine Carrie REALLY enjoys being the wife of the PM. She gets all of the reflected glory - and tangential power, influence, status, interesting life - with none of the hassle of actually being PM. She's got a small boy and a lovely new flat with gold wallpaper. It looks like she really loves her husband.

However, for him it must be waaaaaay less appealing, He has been a politician for decades. The top job comes with a downgraded salary and a punishing schedule. He's knackered (and he looks it)

He won Brexit, saw it to the end, and now he has guided us through Covid - more than most PMs ever do

Hang up the box and retire to the pavilion for champagne and smoked salmon? Enticing

Carries is not his wife - despite having had a little bastard with him.

That’s not cricket.

It is ,however, a statement of fact.

But it's just nasty and makes you look ugly and mad. This is their kid, who is, what, 10 months old?

It's like the attacks on Trump's kids - certainly the ones under 18

I rivalled the best in my dislike of Trump - a "dismal madman". But children don't choose their parents. Enough

I have nothing at all against the child who is 100% innocent - but cannot say the same for his parents. A few years ago I had a niece who disgraced the family in this way - and as I type I have a 31 year old nephew about to have his first bastard. I have never held back from making it clear to them what I think.

You are a nasty bigot that shames this forum

My views on this were mainstream several decades into your lifetime.

But they are quite rightly not mainstream views now. It is a free country, and you are entitled to your opinions, this is nonetheless an opinion perhaps best kept to yourself.