On the YouGov/Survation split the latter has a record of picking up moves to LAB better – politicalb
On the YouGov/Survation split the latter has a record of picking up moves to LAB better – politicalbetting.com
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I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???1 -
Oh my word. Covid figures today are excellent: 1907/7/160.
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Low turnout overall but Labour get their vote our better than the Tories? Could be the story in Hartlepool?MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???0 -
Interesting idea. I half-expected this thread to be cautioning about outliers until further evidence comes in.
Be interesting to see soon enough.1 -
The polls are all over the shop at the moment. They’re a bit of a Rorschach test. I’d think the Tory lead is more in the region of 4 or 5 % than 11% or 1%.
I admired HYUFDs expectations management earlier today.0 -
Not long to wait for all to be revealedTaz said:The polls are all over the shop at the moment. They’re a bit of a Rorschach test. I’d think the Tory lead is more in the region of 4 or 5 % than 11% or 1%.
I admired HYUFDs expectations management earlier today.0 -
Exactly. I’m not convinced people move greatly one way or another at this stage of any campaign. 2017 being an exception.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long to wait for all to be revealedTaz said:The polls are all over the shop at the moment. They’re a bit of a Rorschach test. I’d think the Tory lead is more in the region of 4 or 5 % than 11% or 1%.
I admired HYUFDs expectations management earlier today.0 -
Only 7 deaths reported.2
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He's a lover not a fighter.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???0 -
That boxing video is quite hilarious.2
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I thought in Newport West the candidate had revealed all already...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not long to wait for all to be revealedTaz said:The polls are all over the shop at the moment. They’re a bit of a Rorschach test. I’d think the Tory lead is more in the region of 4 or 5 % than 11% or 1%.
I admired HYUFDs expectations management earlier today.1 -
That's probably right. I'm not buying 1% yet, but a lead (say) 7-8% a few weeks back may well have shrunk to 4-5%. As for why now, two observations;Taz said:The polls are all over the shop at the moment. They’re a bit of a Rorschach test. I’d think the Tory lead is more in the region of 4 or 5 % than 11% or 1%.
I admired HYUFDs expectations management earlier today.
First is that voters rarely do gratitude as such. A good crisis can reveal a positive attribute going forward- here it's that not everything Johnson touches turns into an expensive fiasco. But that's as far as it usually goes.
Second is that the drift down in Labour's share started with a Lab to Green shift. My theory was that SKS was seen as too supportive of the government. Inevitable when they went several months without a balls-up, but not good for a Leader of the Opposition. Even if you don't agree with the significance of the government's recent failings, they exist and have given SKS opportunities which he's taken. So that's helped pull the anti-government vote back into the red column.
Now, we have to wait and see what Opinium says and what the Sundays have dug up. Will it be Life Goes On for the government or Here's Where The Story Ends?0 -
Down 79% in a week from a low base is very good news however you hack it.williamglenn said:Only 7 deaths reported.
Albeit the Beeb will be disappointed.3 -
I would normally vote Blue but voted yellow at the GE because of Brexit. If I was to vote one could discount the loony parties and Labour. At the moment I feel unlikely to vote for anyone.0
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SONGS OF THE SPECIAL ELECTION STATES - TEXAS
Waylon Jennings - Luckenbach, Texas (Back to the Basics of Love)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti6QV90X-Sk
LUCKENBACH, TEXAS (BACK TO THE BASICS OF LOVE)
Bobby Emmons & Chip Moman (and made famous by the late, great Waylon Jennings)
The only two things in life that make it worth livin'
Is guitars that tune good and firm feelin' women
I don't need my name in the marquee lights
I got my song and I got you with me tonight
Maybe it's time we got back to the basics of love
Let's go to Luckenbach, Texas
With Waylon and Willie and the boys
This successful life we're livin'
Got us feuding like the Hatfields and McCoys
Between Hank Williams' pain songs and
Newbury's train songs and "Blue Eyes Cryin' in the Rain"
Out in Luckenbach, Texas ain't nobody feelin' no pain
So baby, let's sell your diamond ring
Buy some boots and faded jeans and go away
This coat and tie is choking me
In your high society, you cry all day
We've been so busy keepin' up with the Jones
Four car garage and we're still building on
Maybe it's time we got back to the basics of love
Let's go to Luckenbach, Texas
With Waylon and Willie and the boys
This successful life we're livin' got us feudin'
Like the Hatfield and McCoys
Between Hank Williams' pain songs and
Newbury's train songs and "Blue Eyes Cryin' in the Rain"
Out in Luckenbach, Texas ain't nobody feelin' no pain1 -
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.5 -
O/T
"Pubs running low on certain beers after brewers underestimate post-lockdown demand
Brewers are reportedly struggling to fulfil orders as groups of up to six people are now allowed to meet in beer gardens."
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pubs-running-low-on-certain-beers-after-brewers-underestimate-post-lockdown-demand-122920760 -
Has to be a chance of a day over the Bank Holiday with zero deaths....williamglenn said:Only 7 deaths reported.
That would be quite something for Boris to announce ahead of the voting next week.1 -
The Survation poll had BJ 8 or so points ahead on PM preference which seems odd.0
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As I have previously said, I agree we are seeing very little movement of voters from their declared intentions in December 2019.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.0 -
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He could couple it with the abandoning of mask wearing for pupils in schools.MarqueeMark said:
Has to be a chance of a day over the Bank Holiday with zero deaths....williamglenn said:Only 7 deaths reported.
That would be quite something for Boris to announce ahead of the voting next week.
Now *that* would be popular.
And, given how useless they are under those circumstances, a free hit.2 -
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Please reassure me this is a fake 😂😂
https://mobile.twitter.com/AnnaMinnie4/status/13884135022898135062 -
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I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.0 -
I think that this approach -Stuartinromford said:
That's probably right. I'm not buying 1% yet, but a lead (say) 7-8% a few weeks back may well have shrunk to 4-5%. As for why now, two observations;Taz said:The polls are all over the shop at the moment. They’re a bit of a Rorschach test. I’d think the Tory lead is more in the region of 4 or 5 % than 11% or 1%.
I admired HYUFDs expectations management earlier today.
First is that voters rarely do gratitude as such. A good crisis can reveal a positive attribute going forward- here it's that not everything Johnson touches turns into an expensive fiasco. But that's as far as it usually goes.
Second is that the drift down in Labour's share started with a Lab to Green shift. My theory was that SKS was seen as too supportive of the government. Inevitable when they went several months without a balls-up, but not good for a Leader of the Opposition. Even if you don't agree with the significance of the government's recent failings, they exist and have given SKS opportunities which he's taken. So that's helped pull the anti-government vote back into the red column.
Now, we have to wait and see what Opinium says and what the Sundays have dug up. Will it be Life Goes On for the government or Here's Where The Story Ends?
https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/
has much to recommend it. All polls from serious pollsters are counted and plotted on the graph.0 -
The interesting thing on deaths is that we are seeing, finally, the death rates for the elderly really converging on the younger groups.ydoethur said:
He could couple it with the abandoning of mask wearing for pupils in schools.MarqueeMark said:
Has to be a chance of a day over the Bank Holiday with zero deaths....williamglenn said:Only 7 deaths reported.
That would be quite something for Boris to announce ahead of the voting next week.
Now *that* would be popular.
And, given how useless they are under those circumstances, a free hit. 0 -
I have to agree. Minus the first bit.Casino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
Folk are emotionally drained.0 -
2019 General Election turnout: 67.3%Casino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
2017 local elections turnout: 35.0%
Getting on for half of those who voted in the general will now vote Can't Be Arsed Party. The question is: will it be evenly spread across the parties, or will the Tories have a better chance of getting their vote out - as a thank you for their jabs and ending the lockdowns?0 -
Scotland, Wales, and Harlepool will determine the narrative after next ThursdayCasino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
And this conservative has definitely postal voted conservative for the Senedd, (as has my good lady)
Maybe the most predictable line I have ever written on PB !!!!!!1 -
I put Shaun Bailey as my second choiceBig_G_NorthWales said:
Scotland, Wales, and Harlepool will determine the narrative after next ThursdayCasino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
And this conservative has definitely postal voted conservative for the Senedd, (as has my good lady)
Maybe the most predictable line I have ever written on PB !!!!!!1 -
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
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Keir Starmer on the local news saying he’s delighted to be in Hartlepool. 😂😂😂😂
Politicians don’t come to places like Hartlepool or give a damn about the people there unless they have to be seen to.
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For the Senedd !!!!!!!!!!!Charles said:
I put Shaun Bailey as my second choiceBig_G_NorthWales said:
Scotland, Wales, and Harlepool will determine the narrative after next ThursdayCasino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
And this conservative has definitely postal voted conservative for the Senedd, (as has my good lady)
Maybe the most predictable line I have ever written on PB !!!!!!0 -
Khan your first?Charles said:
I put Shaun Bailey as my second choiceBig_G_NorthWales said:
Scotland, Wales, and Harlepool will determine the narrative after next ThursdayCasino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
And this conservative has definitely postal voted conservative for the Senedd, (as has my good lady)
Maybe the most predictable line I have ever written on PB !!!!!!0 -
Well, he would be better than Andrew RT Davies.Big_G_NorthWales said:
For the Senedd !!!!!!!!!!!Charles said:
I put Shaun Bailey as my second choiceBig_G_NorthWales said:
Scotland, Wales, and Harlepool will determine the narrative after next ThursdayCasino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
And this conservative has definitely postal voted conservative for the Senedd, (as has my good lady)
Maybe the most predictable line I have ever written on PB !!!!!!
And that’s not said with any notable enthusiasm for Shaun Bailey.0 -
[Sunil whistles innocently]Casino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this pathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
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I like Starmer but he does not inspire, maybe with respect to our lawyer friends he is too much the lawyer and not the politicianTimT said:
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
And who on earth are his advisors when he pulled these recent stunts
They are quite frankly, or should be, beneath him
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Even I would be better than RTydoethur said:
Well, he would be better than Andrew RT Davies.Big_G_NorthWales said:
For the Senedd !!!!!!!!!!!Charles said:
I put Shaun Bailey as my second choiceBig_G_NorthWales said:
Scotland, Wales, and Harlepool will determine the narrative after next ThursdayCasino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
And this conservative has definitely postal voted conservative for the Senedd, (as has my good lady)
Maybe the most predictable line I have ever written on PB !!!!!!
And that’s not said with any notable enthusiasm for Shaun Bailey.0 -
I like the version with more sex appeal ...Charles said:Please reassure me this is a fake 😂😂
https://mobile.twitter.com/AnnaMinnie4/status/1388413502289813506
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Con has shortened further for Hartlepool - now 1.53. Was 1.6 yesterday I think (pre YouGov).
So anything leaking out?0 -
So the unvaccinated young are at the same risk levels (actually, lower) than the fully vaccinated elderly? (OK, I am being deliberately cheeky, here)Malmesbury said:
The interesting thing on deaths is that we are seeing, finally, the death rates for the elderly really converging on the younger groups.ydoethur said:
He could couple it with the abandoning of mask wearing for pupils in schools.MarqueeMark said:
Has to be a chance of a day over the Bank Holiday with zero deaths....williamglenn said:Only 7 deaths reported.
That would be quite something for Boris to announce ahead of the voting next week.
Now *that* would be popular.
And, given how useless they are under those circumstances, a free hit.0 -
Maybe that is why Starmer is thereMikeL said:Con has shortened further for Hartlepool - now 1.53. Was 1.6 yesterday I think (pre YouGov).
So anything leaking out?
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Particularly the wallpaper one. Adolescent levels of behaviour.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Starmer but he does not inspire, maybe with respect to our lawyer friends he is too much the lawyer and not the politicianTimT said:
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
And who on earth are his advisors when he pulled these recent stunts
They are quite frankly, or should be, beneath him1 -
I've said it before on here, I'll say it again. I think LAB will win in Hartlepool.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe that is why Starmer is thereMikeL said:Con has shortened further for Hartlepool - now 1.53. Was 1.6 yesterday I think (pre YouGov).
So anything leaking out?
They must have their own polling surely
I don't think CON will do much at all next week.
But I might be wrong!0 -
To be honest I have no idea who will winlondonpubman said:
I've said it before on here, I'll say it again. I think LAB will win in Hartlepool.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe that is why Starmer is thereMikeL said:Con has shortened further for Hartlepool - now 1.53. Was 1.6 yesterday I think (pre YouGov).
So anything leaking out?
They must have their own polling surely
I don't think CON will do much at all next week.
But I might be wrong!0 -
Don’t sell yourself short Big G. You’d be better than many politicians.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I would be better than RTydoethur said:
Well, he would be better than Andrew RT Davies.Big_G_NorthWales said:
For the Senedd !!!!!!!!!!!Charles said:
I put Shaun Bailey as my second choiceBig_G_NorthWales said:
Scotland, Wales, and Harlepool will determine the narrative after next ThursdayCasino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
And this conservative has definitely postal voted conservative for the Senedd, (as has my good lady)
Maybe the most predictable line I have ever written on PB !!!!!!
And that’s not said with any notable enthusiasm for Shaun Bailey.
But even macdonnell is better than RT. At least Macdonnell is pretty bright.1 -
Sorry - meant to say Con were 1.6 for Hartlepool pre Survation.
ie they've shortened despite the Survation.0 -
I'm not sure the electorate "do" gratitude. They move straight onto the next thing.MarqueeMark said:
2019 General Election turnout: 67.3%Casino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
2017 local elections turnout: 35.0%
Getting on for half of those who voted in the general will now vote Can't Be Arsed Party. The question is: will it be evenly spread across the parties, or will the Tories have a better chance of getting their vote out - as a thank you for their jabs and ending the lockdowns?
One of my principle impediments to voting Conservative this time is the pre-emptive 6-month extension of the Coronavirus Act, which the Lib Dems opposed.1 -
Some minor candidate - Farah London I think? I went through the other manifestos and it came down to her or Count BinfaceThomasNashe said:
Khan your first?Charles said:
I put Shaun Bailey as my second choiceBig_G_NorthWales said:
Scotland, Wales, and Harlepool will determine the narrative after next ThursdayCasino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
And this conservative has definitely postal voted conservative for the Senedd, (as has my good lady)
Maybe the most predictable line I have ever written on PB !!!!!!0 -
I think having your advisers beneath you is frowned on these days. Perhaps we should ask Michael Gove his opinion?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Starmer but he does not inspire, maybe with respect to our lawyer friends he is too much the lawyer and not the politicianTimT said:
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
And who on earth are his advisors when he pulled these recent stunts
They are quite frankly, or should be, beneath him3 -
Memories of Miliband and Balls going to Greggs for pasties.TimT said:
Particularly the wallpaper one. Adolescent levels of behaviour.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Starmer but he does not inspire, maybe with respect to our lawyer friends he is too much the lawyer and not the politicianTimT said:
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
And who on earth are his advisors when he pulled these recent stunts
They are quite frankly, or should be, beneath him
Starmer is supposed to be the serious one, he needs to totally ignore all the Village gossip stuff, even when his team all think it’s hillarious to do stunts like that.
Edit: just seen the “Vote Labour” red boxing gloves. Again, don’t make an idiot of yourself trying to learn skills on camera. Be the serious one, for serious times.1 -
People are more motivated to get out to vote against something than for something. Indignation is a better motivator than gratitude. I just can't see "thank you" votes.MarqueeMark said:
2019 General Election turnout: 67.3%Casino_Royale said:
I'm a core Conservative, and I don't think I've been this apathetic in years.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Have to say that, from my canvassing, there's not much movement between parties but neither is there a sense of Conservatives feeling highly motivated to turn out.MarqueeMark said:I still don't see what there is to motivate Labour voters to get off their arse and vote on Thursday.
Tories: gratitude at being jabbed and set free
Labour: ???
I have a sense of the past 18 months having been intensely political in one sense, but not intensely PARTY political. As partisans on this site, I think we've missed that a bit. Party politics just hasn't been on many minds.
2017 local elections turnout: 35.0%
Getting on for half of those who voted in the general will now vote Can't Be Arsed Party. The question is: will it be evenly spread across the parties, or will the Tories have a better chance of getting their vote out - as a thank you for their jabs and ending the lockdowns?0 -
And for Boris it is built-in to his character
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The party of Hard Leave under Mr Hard Leave to win in the capital of Hard Leave having just delivered Hard Leave and beaten Covid before the Europe that we've just Hard Left has got its boots on.Sandpit said:
I know the world is going mad, but 1/2 for the government taking a by-election win from the opposition, in the middle of a massive recession?MikeL said:Con has shortened further for Hartlepool - now 1.53. Was 1.6 yesterday I think (pre YouGov).
So anything leaking out?
If this is not the odds on favourite outcome in a sane world I'm not a clear thinking progressive.3 -
Indeed, brand-building is about consistency of messaging - this all cuts across the brand. Idiot advisors.Sandpit said:
Memories of Miliband and Balls going to Greggs for pasties.TimT said:
Particularly the wallpaper one. Adolescent levels of behaviour.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Starmer but he does not inspire, maybe with respect to our lawyer friends he is too much the lawyer and not the politicianTimT said:
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
And who on earth are his advisors when he pulled these recent stunts
They are quite frankly, or should be, beneath him
Starmer is supposed to be the serious one, he needs to totally ignore all the Village gossip stuff, even when his team all think it’s hillarious to do stunts like that.
Edit: just seen the “Vote Labour” red boxing gloves. Again, don’t make an idiot of yourself trying to learn skills on camera. Be the serious one, for serious times.1 -
Starmer's next opponent:
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I think Johnson looks ridiculous pulling daft stunts, so for the sake of consistency, a plague on Starmer's house too.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Starmer but he does not inspire, maybe with respect to our lawyer friends he is too much the lawyer and not the politicianTimT said:
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
And who on earth are his advisors when he pulled these recent stunts
They are quite frankly, or should be, beneath him
Starmer should watch the Peter Cook film; The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer. Proof if it were needed that Labour policicians and stupid stunts work out badly.
Please cease and desist Mr Starmer!1 -
How dare you refer to Liz Truss as a paper bag!williamglenn said:Starmer's next opponent:
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I said similar to David Herdson on Twitter: if you're going to do a stunt like that (and these are all planned and arranged, all of them) you discuss how you want to go, and also how it could go wrong in advance. And then you practice, if you're not 100% confident.Sandpit said:
Memories of Miliband and Balls going to Greggs for pasties.TimT said:
Particularly the wallpaper one. Adolescent levels of behaviour.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Starmer but he does not inspire, maybe with respect to our lawyer friends he is too much the lawyer and not the politicianTimT said:
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
And who on earth are his advisors when he pulled these recent stunts
They are quite frankly, or should be, beneath him
Starmer is supposed to be the serious one, he needs to totally ignore all the Village gossip stuff, even when his team all think it’s hillarious to do stunts like that.
Edit: just seen the “Vote Labour” red boxing gloves. Again, don’t make an idiot of yourself trying to learn skills on camera. Be the serious one, for serious times.
I suspect Starmer either didn't ask or didn't feel it would be "genuine" to do that, which just goes to show how bad he is at politics.2 -
I wonder if we are going to see a Hartlepool poll tonight? The last one was nearly a month ago.1
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The Conservative lead over Labour has narrowed sharply with five days to go until the local elections on Thursday, as the furore over Boris Johnson’s flat refurbishment starts to cut through.
An exclusive poll for The Sunday Times shows a slump in support for the Tories after a turbulent week for the prime minister, who is facing a string of sleaze allegations. Labour is now on 39 per cent, one point behind the Tories on 40 per cent.
More worrying for the Conservative Party is that Johnson is losing his grip on the “red wall” seats that propelled him to power. According to the poll, Labour has pushed ahead of the Tories and now leads in the party’s former heartlands in the Midlands and the north of England. In the 43 “red wall” seats that the Conservatives won at the last election, Sir Keir Starmer’s party is on 45 per cent, with the Tories on 44 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-lead-slumps-and-pm-loses-red-wall-support-five-days-before-local-elections-m7fpzdd7r2 -
But in the latest poll 35 per cent of people say they are less likely to vote Conservative than they were a month ago.
According to the poll, conducted by Focaldata, 47 per cent think the prime minister should resign if he is found to have broken electoral law; 36 per cent said he should not resign.0 -
InterestingTheScreamingEagles said:The Conservative lead over Labour has narrowed sharply with five days to go until the local elections on Thursday, as the furore over Boris Johnson’s flat refurbishment starts to cut through.
An exclusive poll for The Sunday Times shows a slump in support for the Tories after a turbulent week for the prime minister, who is facing a string of sleaze allegations. Labour is now on 39 per cent, one point behind the Tories on 40 per cent.
More worrying for the Conservative Party is that Johnson is losing his grip on the “red wall” seats that propelled him to power. According to the poll, Labour has pushed ahead of the Tories and now leads in the party’s former heartlands in the Midlands and the north of England. In the 43 “red wall” seats that the Conservatives won at the last election, Sir Keir Starmer’s party is on 45 per cent, with the Tories on 44 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-lead-slumps-and-pm-loses-red-wall-support-five-days-before-local-elections-m7fpzdd7r0 -
The stunt itself was ok but Starmer should have got some activists to do it . It is not fitting for a leader and certainly not a leader of Starmer's character.Mexicanpete said:
I think Johnson looks ridiculous pulling daft stunts, so for the sake of consistency, a plague on Starmer's house too.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Starmer but he does not inspire, maybe with respect to our lawyer friends he is too much the lawyer and not the politicianTimT said:
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
And who on earth are his advisors when he pulled these recent stunts
They are quite frankly, or should be, beneath him
Starmer should watch the Peter Cook film; The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer. Proof if it were needed that Labour policicians and stupid stunts work out badly.
Please cease and desist Mr Starmer!
As for the whole flat decoration scandal , well I think Johnson probably broke some rules but what stupid rules to begin with. Why not give each PM a option to decorate, what is after all a government owned flat . at the start of each tenure at the taxpayers expense? How much valuable PM time has been wasted on this rubbish. We have a weird sense in this country of being extremely mean with the top jobs "benefits" .0 -
Interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Conservative lead over Labour has narrowed sharply with five days to go until the local elections on Thursday, as the furore over Boris Johnson’s flat refurbishment starts to cut through.
An exclusive poll for The Sunday Times shows a slump in support for the Tories after a turbulent week for the prime minister, who is facing a string of sleaze allegations. Labour is now on 39 per cent, one point behind the Tories on 40 per cent.
More worrying for the Conservative Party is that Johnson is losing his grip on the “red wall” seats that propelled him to power. According to the poll, Labour has pushed ahead of the Tories and now leads in the party’s former heartlands in the Midlands and the north of England. In the 43 “red wall” seats that the Conservatives won at the last election, Sir Keir Starmer’s party is on 45 per cent, with the Tories on 44 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-lead-slumps-and-pm-loses-red-wall-support-five-days-before-local-elections-m7fpzdd7r
I love the John Lewis question.0 -
According to Twitter, #worldnakedgardeningday is trending in the United Kingdom.
Not round this part of the United Kingdom it isn't. Bleedin' freezing. Not a single naked gardener has been spotted.0 -
Carrie Antoinette really has damaged Boris Johnson.Casino_Royale said:
Interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Conservative lead over Labour has narrowed sharply with five days to go until the local elections on Thursday, as the furore over Boris Johnson’s flat refurbishment starts to cut through.
An exclusive poll for The Sunday Times shows a slump in support for the Tories after a turbulent week for the prime minister, who is facing a string of sleaze allegations. Labour is now on 39 per cent, one point behind the Tories on 40 per cent.
More worrying for the Conservative Party is that Johnson is losing his grip on the “red wall” seats that propelled him to power. According to the poll, Labour has pushed ahead of the Tories and now leads in the party’s former heartlands in the Midlands and the north of England. In the 43 “red wall” seats that the Conservatives won at the last election, Sir Keir Starmer’s party is on 45 per cent, with the Tories on 44 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-lead-slumps-and-pm-loses-red-wall-support-five-days-before-local-elections-m7fpzdd7r
I love the John Lewis question.2 -
Echoes this from yesterday, on the lying to Parliament question;TheScreamingEagles said:But in the latest poll 35 per cent of people say they are less likely to vote Conservative than they were a month ago.
According to the poll, conducted by Focaldata, 47 per cent think the prime minister should resign if he is found to have broken electoral law; 36 per cent said he should not resign.
https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1388057764186972160?s=19
I don't know about everyone else, but the party and age splits are beginning to scare me here. As with Trump, a chunk of the population seem like they will forgive "Boris" anything.0 -
Will she lead the Tories to pursue a decapitation strategy?TheScreamingEagles said:
Carrie Antoinette really has damaged Boris Johnson.Casino_Royale said:
Interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Conservative lead over Labour has narrowed sharply with five days to go until the local elections on Thursday, as the furore over Boris Johnson’s flat refurbishment starts to cut through.
An exclusive poll for The Sunday Times shows a slump in support for the Tories after a turbulent week for the prime minister, who is facing a string of sleaze allegations. Labour is now on 39 per cent, one point behind the Tories on 40 per cent.
More worrying for the Conservative Party is that Johnson is losing his grip on the “red wall” seats that propelled him to power. According to the poll, Labour has pushed ahead of the Tories and now leads in the party’s former heartlands in the Midlands and the north of England. In the 43 “red wall” seats that the Conservatives won at the last election, Sir Keir Starmer’s party is on 45 per cent, with the Tories on 44 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-lead-slumps-and-pm-loses-red-wall-support-five-days-before-local-elections-m7fpzdd7r
I love the John Lewis question.7 -
re the Times poll: Staggering that more people think Boris Johnson is trustworthy (39%) than think Keir Starmer is (33%). I mean, I know people don't follow things very closely, but: really?0
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I dunno - if you look at that focal point poll, Johnson still remains considerable leads over Starmer, bizarrely including “most trustworthy” 😂0
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Have any of them got goosepimples instead?Richard_Nabavi said:According to Twitter, #worldnakedgardeningday is trending in the United Kingdom.
Not round this part of the United Kingdom it isn't. Bleedin' freezing. Not a single naked gardener has been spotted.0 -
My money is on the bagwilliamglenn said:Starmer's next opponent:
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My postal vote for the various London elections has gone in.
Was proud to vote for Khan again, who despite not being perfect in any way, was a far better choice than the useless Bailey. I also wanted to register my disgust with the Tory Party.0 -
Not a bet I would take.Sandpit said:
I know the world is going mad, but 1/2 for the government taking a by-election win from the opposition, in the middle of a massive recession?MikeL said:Con has shortened further for Hartlepool - now 1.53. Was 1.6 yesterday I think (pre YouGov).
So anything leaking out?0 -
We are not in a recession, massive or otherwise.Sandpit said:
I know the world is going mad, but 1/2 for the government taking a by-election win from the opposition, in the middle of a massive recession?MikeL said:Con has shortened further for Hartlepool - now 1.53. Was 1.6 yesterday I think (pre YouGov).
So anything leaking out?0 -
Arent you always disgusted by the Tory Party?CorrectHorseBattery said:My postal vote for the various London elections has gone in.
Was proud to vote for Khan again, who despite not being perfect in any way, was a far better choice than the useless Bailey. I also wanted to register my disgust with the Tory Party.2 -
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1388544433260568577
Another lead of 1 for the Tories, something is happening0 -
I thought that, until I heard that the pm gets £30k per year allowance.state_go_away said:
The stunt itself was ok but Starmer should have got some activists to do it . It is not fitting for a leader and certainly not a leader of Starmer's character.Mexicanpete said:
I think Johnson looks ridiculous pulling daft stunts, so for the sake of consistency, a plague on Starmer's house too.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like Starmer but he does not inspire, maybe with respect to our lawyer friends he is too much the lawyer and not the politicianTimT said:
I really don't think Starmer has the concept of punching down, yet.Morris_Dancer said:That boxing video is quite hilarious.
And who on earth are his advisors when he pulled these recent stunts
They are quite frankly, or should be, beneath him
Starmer should watch the Peter Cook film; The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer. Proof if it were needed that Labour policicians and stupid stunts work out badly.
Please cease and desist Mr Starmer!
As for the whole flat decoration scandal , well I think Johnson probably broke some rules but what stupid rules to begin with. Why not give each PM a option to decorate, what is after all a government owned flat . at the start of each tenure at the taxpayers expense? How much valuable PM time has been wasted on this rubbish. We have a weird sense in this country of being extremely mean with the top jobs "benefits" .
That’s more than enough.0 -
On topic.
This is not 2017
Then we had a Charismatic leader with a populist, inspiring to many, manifesto, up against a boring useless cardboard cut out who could not inspire a paper bag.
The lead was cut by almost 20pts in a month.
Of course the boring leader is now the one trying to cut a 10pt deficit
Hopefully he does cut the lead at least in half but Boris is Teflon Tim.0 -
Opinium tonight will be fascinating.
So we have Focaldata and Survation with 1 point leads.
YouGov with 11 point0 -
Still batting for Corbyn. Bless.bigjohnowls said:On topic.
This is not 2017
Then we had a Charismatic leader with a populist, inspiring to many, manifesto, up against a boring useless cardboard cut out who could not inspire a paper bag.
The lead was cut by almost 20pts in a month.
Of course the boring leader is now the one trying to cut a 10pt deficit
Hopefully he does cut the lead at least in half but Boris is Teflon Tim.
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Who are folcadata.. and what is their track record.. they might be as inaccurate as Angus Reed were...TheScreamingEagles said:But in the latest poll 35 per cent of people say they are less likely to vote Conservative than they were a month ago.
According to the poll, conducted by Focaldata, 47 per cent think the prime minister should resign if he is found to have broken electoral law; 36 per cent said he should not resign.0 -
Can I just say - Starmer hitting that punchbag like a 6 year old girl looks W-A-Y worse than Miliband's bacon sarnie.
Miliband's was inadvertent. Starmer's was teed up.
With Labour Party gloves.
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I'd be interested to see the working-class/middle-class numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1388544433260568577
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Needed to happen 10 days earlier to impact on LE's and Hartlepool to the extent that it turns into a bad night for the Tories IMOBig_G_NorthWales said:
InterestingTheScreamingEagles said:The Conservative lead over Labour has narrowed sharply with five days to go until the local elections on Thursday, as the furore over Boris Johnson’s flat refurbishment starts to cut through.
An exclusive poll for The Sunday Times shows a slump in support for the Tories after a turbulent week for the prime minister, who is facing a string of sleaze allegations. Labour is now on 39 per cent, one point behind the Tories on 40 per cent.
More worrying for the Conservative Party is that Johnson is losing his grip on the “red wall” seats that propelled him to power. According to the poll, Labour has pushed ahead of the Tories and now leads in the party’s former heartlands in the Midlands and the north of England. In the 43 “red wall” seats that the Conservatives won at the last election, Sir Keir Starmer’s party is on 45 per cent, with the Tories on 44 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-lead-slumps-and-pm-loses-red-wall-support-five-days-before-local-elections-m7fpzdd7r0 -
35% could have gone from "highly unlikely" to "never in a million years".squareroot2 said:
Who are folcadata.. and what is their track record.. they might be as inaccurate as Angus Reed were...TheScreamingEagles said:But in the latest poll 35 per cent of people say they are less likely to vote Conservative than they were a month ago.
According to the poll, conducted by Focaldata, 47 per cent think the prime minister should resign if he is found to have broken electoral law; 36 per cent said he should not resign.
Net effect on votes? Zero.0 -
Not sure what is more shocking , just the one point lead for the Tories or the fact that 44% say Bozo is trustworthy ! The poll is bizarre with the results of the other questions supporting a bigger Tory lead . Regardless it does seem that people judge Bozo by different standards compared to other politicians and he can get away with things others can’t .0
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They had an alright 2019GE with their MRP.squareroot2 said:
Who are folcadata.. and what is their track record.. they might be as inaccurate as Angus Reed were...TheScreamingEagles said:But in the latest poll 35 per cent of people say they are less likely to vote Conservative than they were a month ago.
According to the poll, conducted by Focaldata, 47 per cent think the prime minister should resign if he is found to have broken electoral law; 36 per cent said he should not resign.
They are run by people who have worked at other decent pollsters.0 -
Starmer's bagwork making Boris look like Ali lol2
