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  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Cov-ID... That's good... Are you sure that you're not Peter Simple, come back to save his nation in a time of trouble?
    That's really quite flattering, thank you.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Doesn't make any sense, by the time those red list venues open the incidence rate is going to be basically zero and vaccination rates will be over 90%.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    ydoethur said:

    On the proposed boundaries, in 2019, the figures were Con 30,260 Lab 22,636 and Plaid 17,984.

    Plaid simply didn’t register in Preseli while in Ceredigion the Tories managed a solid second place.

    That’s a pretty safe Tory seat. I can’t help it if you don’t like the figures, those remain the figures. Even if Stephen Crabbe lost every single vote the Tories won in Ceredigion, he would still win the seat ahead of Labour. He’s that far ahead.

    And this time, it really is good night.
    With respect, the proposed boundaries imply nothing of the kind! You appear to have simply combined the votes cast in the current Ceredigion and Preseli Pembrokeshie seats and gone on to suggest that the aggeregate figures provide a clear guide as to the likely outcome in the new seat.
    In reality,however, much of Crabbe's existing Preseli seat would form part of the proposed Pembroke seat. Places such as Haverfordwest and Milford Haven and the west coastal areas including Broad Haven , Solva etc would NOT be in the new seat combined with Ceredigion.Fishguard & Goodwick would certainly be included but is not clear that St Davids would be. A significant part of Crabbe's voting strength in his current seat would be excluded. For that reason the figures quoted mean little - even before considering the possibility of anti-Tory tactical voting.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,568
    Charles said:

    Option 3 is there is a small group of anti vaxxers who can be turned by convincing them that life with jabs will be brutish, nasty and short.
    I should think the numbers of anti-vaxxers being convinced by any such performance art is close to 0.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565

    You might almost call it an example of a passportmanteau...
    I'm so old I immediately think of a DEC computer interface.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824
    Ahem. As I predicted. Theatres yes, pubs no. Very sensible. They should also make the schemes voluntary - but this is how they would divide anyway. Theatres yes, pubs no

    The hysteria on here was and is absurd
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945
    justin124 said:

    With respect, the proposed boundaries imply nothing of the kind! You appear to have simply combined the votes cast in the current Ceredigion and Preseli Pembrokeshie seats and gone on to suggest that the aggeregate figures provide a clear guide as to the likely outcome in the new seat.
    In reality,however, much of Crabbe's existing Preseli seat would form part of the proposed Pembroke seat. Places such as Haverfordwest and Milford Haven and the west coastal areas including Broad Haven , Solva etc would NOT be in the new seat combined with Ceredigion.Fishguard & Goodwick would certainly be included but is not clear that St Davids would be. A significant part of Crabbe's voting strength in his current seat would be excluded. For that reason the figures quoted mean little - even before considering the possibility of anti-Tory tactical voting.
    Well. No boundaries have yet been proposed anyways, so we don't know.
    The only thing we do know with Wales is that the seats won't be the same as now, nor like the previous junked proposals.
    Apart from Ynys Mon of course.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Leon said:

    Ahem. As I predicted. Theatres yes, pubs no. Very sensible. They should also make the schemes voluntary - but this is how they would divide anyway. Theatres yes, pubs no

    The hysteria on here was and is absurd
    I think the "hysteria" is why the policy has changed to exclude pubs. Not here, but on the government benches. Steve Baker and the rest of them have forced them into a u turn, hopefully they will keep going and get rid of them as a concept entirely.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824
    MaxPB said:

    I think the "hysteria" is why the policy has changed to exclude pubs. Not here, but on the government benches. Steve Baker and the rest of them have forced them into a u turn, hopefully they will keep going and get rid of them as a concept entirely.
    No, you just over-reacted to some social media speculation
  • You'll still need it for sports stadiums, nightclubs, festivals, theatres, cinemas, and concert venues

    So all the places young people - who won't have been vaccinated - want to go
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    Leon said:

    Ahem. As I predicted. Theatres yes, pubs no. Very sensible. They should also make the schemes voluntary - but this is how they would divide anyway. Theatres yes, pubs no

    The hysteria on here was and is absurd
    What is the source for all this? Just more bullsh*t leaking until we see actual proposed legislation/regs changes.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012

    Hmmmm...

    So

    1) Website/newspaper announces x will do y
    2) Tons of clicks
    3) Website/newspaper announces x will not do y
    4) Tons of clicks

    I think the process is:

    We can't quite do nothing at all
    A general ID/vax requirement is both oppressive and (more important) impossible, unenforceable and (most important) would annoy a good number of older Tory voters
    Sound important and wait
    Watch the coalition of both sane and bonkers people (quite a mix) raise hell and do all the heavy lifting for you
    Announce that the right answer for now is to do as little as possible through compulsion and allow narrow areas of private enforcement (cruises etc)
    Allow the issue to die quietly at the same speed as the virus normalises.

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    You think? Carmarthen East is a marginal and Plaid are nowhere in Carmarthen West & S Pembs.

    The Pembroke seat's not going to Labour unless there's a fairly hefty swing (7% at a rough guess.)

    You think? Carmarthen East is a marginal and Plaid are nowhere in Carmarthen West & S Pembs.

    The Pembroke seat's not going to Labour unless there's a fairly hefty swing (7% at a rough guess.)
    Not necessarily - Pembroke went Labour by 755 in 1992 when the Tories led across GB by 7.6%. Preseli Pembrokeshire nearly fell to Labour in 2017.
    Plaid is very weak in the S Pembs part of the Carmarthen West seat , but much stronger beyond the Pembrokeshire border.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    Nottingham and Leeds students have been trialing mass gatherings for days this week.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367
    edited April 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Doesn't make any sense, by the time those red list venues open the incidence rate is going to be basically zero and vaccination rates will be over 90%.
    I think that they are divided roughly into things you make a booking for in advance and things that are more spontaneous, and the ones you book are also generally used less frequently and are less essential. It looks like a reasonably sensible divide, but long term it ought not to be necessary at all.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Hmmmm...

    So

    1) Website/newspaper announces x will do y
    2) Tons of clicks
    3) Website/newspaper announces x will not do y
    4) Tons of clicks

    You, Sir, are a cynic of the highest order!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    MaxPB said:

    Doesn't make any sense, by the time those red list venues open the incidence rate is going to be basically zero and vaccination rates will be over 90%.
    You are expecting sense from Johnson's covid bunker?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Leon said:

    No, you just over-reacted to some social media speculation
    The Sun, Times, Guardian, Telegraph and other papers had been briefed that it would be used for pubs. This is a behind the scenes u turn. Gove and Hancock have been slapped down.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,685
    Leon said:

    Ahem. As I predicted. Theatres yes, pubs no. Very sensible. They should also make the schemes voluntary - but this is how they would divide anyway. Theatres yes, pubs no

    The hysteria on here was and is absurd
    PB wouldn't be PB without at least a little hysteria and a modicum of absurdity :lol:
  • isamisam Posts: 41,342
    Floater said:

    So, the grey man is going to be turning up the volume....
    "Hell yeah I'm tough enough!"
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    PB wouldn't be PB without at least a little hysteria and a modicum of absurdity :lol:
    Or visa versa!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,233
    Charles said:

    You, Sir, are a cynic of the highest order!
    I was the Chief Sarcasm Officer (elected) of one company I worked for.....

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited April 2021
    Pro_Rata said:

    I should think the numbers of anti-vaxxers being convinced by any such performance art is close to 0.
    More the cohort of “I’ll delay a bit and free ride on herd immunity” than the Elle Macphersons of the world
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    stodge said:

    I presume the Prime Minister is picking up from the Conservative grassroots the proposed vaccine passport scheme may not be as popular as when first promulgated.

    One might argue it's the sign of an effective Prime Minister that he or she isn't wholly inflexible and is prepared to be persuaded to change a view based on argument.

    One might also argue it's the sign of an ineffective Prime Minister who is prepared to dump whatever he or she believed in if it no longer commands a majority.

    The new list - *IF* it has been briefed by the Government, rather than being invented - does imply a rationale: the policing of mass attendance events. Though to what effect, Lord alone knows. If one person who rocks up to a football match signs in with this app, and later turns out to have Covid, then will all 50,000 people in the stadium get unwelcome text messages telling them to isolate for a fortnight? And, of course, the fundamental point remains: once the vast bulk of the population has been vaccinated then that should be sufficient to get us to population immunity - whereby chains of transmission from any remaining virus cases are so broken up that new clusters cannot easily form - and all of these measures are rendered entirely useless anyway.

    Moreover, it's arguable that the neat division they've arrived at through targeting mass events is illogical. A crowded, raucous boozer or a stinking, airless, cattle truck tube train are both bound to be more hazardous in terms of transmission of a respiratory illness than a football stadium or cinema.

    It does all rather suggest that, the Government having first decided that they want to bring in ID cards by the back door, they're now working their way backwards from the objective and trying to find a way to coax the population into it without provoking a revolt.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    algarkirk said:

    And they are not wrong to do so. Election fever starts early these days.
    What do these people mean by ' early election' though? A similar story ran in the Telegraph a few weeks agobut on reading the article the suggestion was of an election to be held in May 2023 - rather than May 2024.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,342
    That's why Mike wont have a bad word said or poll shown about Sir Keir... he's writing his scripts!!

    "Starmer said. “But it has been frustrating to spend the first year as leader unable to make a speech to a live audience or shake a single voter’s hand.”"

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/03/keir-starmer-ill-take-my-mask-off-and-show-why-i-should-be-prime-minister
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Leon said:

    Ahem. As I predicted. Theatres yes, pubs no. Very sensible. They should also make the schemes voluntary - but this is how they would divide anyway. Theatres yes, pubs no

    The hysteria on here was and is absurd
    Quite - it's been almost as entertaining as the hype last week when Labour got one vaguely encouraging opinion poll!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    The new list - *IF* it has been briefed by the Government, rather than being invented - does imply a rationale: the policing of mass attendance events. Though to what effect, Lord alone knows. If one person who rocks up to a football match signs in with this app, and later turns out to have Covid, then will all 50,000 people in the stadium get unwelcome text messages telling them to isolate for a fortnight? And, of course, the fundamental point remains: once the vast bulk of the population has been vaccinated then that should be sufficient to get us to population immunity - whereby chains of transmission from any remaining virus cases are so broken up that new clusters cannot easily form - and all of these measures are rendered entirely useless anyway.

    Moreover, it's arguable that the neat division they've arrived at through targeting mass events is illogical. A crowded, raucous boozer or a stinking, airless, cattle truck tube train are both bound to be more hazardous in terms of transmission of a respiratory illness than a football stadium or cinema.

    It does all rather suggest that, the Government having first decided that they want to bring in ID cards by the back door, they're now working their way backwards from the objective and trying to find a way to coax the population into it without provoking a revolt.
    Yes, this is the issue. I don't understand what it is trying to achieve. We're very soon going to be at a stage where 90%+ of adults will have immunity. What's the goal, what are they aiming to do with it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824
    edited April 2021

    You'll still need it for sports stadiums, nightclubs, festivals, theatres, cinemas, and concert venues

    So all the places young people - who won't have been vaccinated - want to go

    For about a month. Until you’re vaccinated. The idea is to smoke out the anti-vaxxers without looking too draconian. They are doing the same in Israel and it is working


    ‘The green pass, launched last month and eyed as a potential strategy by countries such as Britain, has been credited with helping motivate unvaccinated Israelis to get the jab. At the Jerusalem arena, Avishag Buskila, 26, said the app was why she finally decided to do so.

    “My parents were divided. My dad got vaccinated three months ago but my mum wanted to wait and see,” she said. Buskila, a law student, said she wanted to wait, but her university campus will open next week to students with green passes and she did not want to miss out.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/02/really-good-place-israel-nearing-covid-endgame?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,366
    MattW said:

    Agree with you on Vaccine Passport.

    I don't believe the EU will be at "stop 90% of deaths" point in a few weeks. There are a lot of assumptions in that statement.

    If we take the point as 50% of adult population (ie equivalent to our groups 1..9), then for EU that is 180m people jabbed twice, dependant on policy. Or 360m jabs.

    Minus 76m done. Leaves 285m to do.

    To reach that in 70 days (10 weeks) will be a rate of 0.9% of the population jabbed per day on average.

    The best rate so far is 0.25% or so on occasional days,

    It is going to take until the end of April to ramp that up at all significantly, and that means it needs to get a lot higher to generate the 10 week date.

    So I would say it will be at least the end of May or into June before it gets to that point.

    J&J single jab will help. Chaos in the order of jabbing to not follow medical priorities will undermine. More chaotic health info nearly everywhere than UK will hinder.

    Plus it needs a month extra for vaccines to get through the system and immunity to build.

    So I am not very optimistic.



    Except deaths are massively concentrated in a small segment of the population. Each decade of age roughly halves the risk as you go down. From a preventing death point of view (and if you have ICU capacity to spare), the urgent vaccination job is pretty much done once you've done everyone in their 70's.

    You can't open up then, because of hospital capacity pressure. But the dynamics are massively different.

    The most obvious example is France, where cases have risen a lot recently and ought to have fed through to deaths by now. Deaths haven't risen much, because the poor programme of vaccination seems to have got just enough of the very old just in time.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641

    PB wouldn't be PB without at least a little hysteria and a modicum of absurdity :lol:
    😊 😊
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,931
    edited April 2021

    The new list - *IF* it has been briefed by the Government, rather than being invented - does imply a rationale: the policing of mass attendance events. Though to what effect, Lord alone knows. If one person who rocks up to a football match signs in with this app, and later turns out to have Covid, then will all 50,000 people in the stadium get unwelcome text messages telling them to isolate for a fortnight? And, of course, the fundamental point remains: once the vast bulk of the population has been vaccinated then that should be sufficient to get us to population immunity - whereby chains of transmission from any remaining virus cases are so broken up that new clusters cannot easily form - and all of these measures are rendered entirely useless anyway.

    Moreover, it's arguable that the neat division they've arrived at through targeting mass events is illogical. A crowded, raucous boozer or a stinking, airless, cattle truck tube train are both bound to be more hazardous in terms of transmission of a respiratory illness than a football stadium or cinema.

    It does all rather suggest that, the Government having first decided that they want to bring in ID cards by the back door, they're now working their way backwards from the objective and trying to find a way to coax the population into it without provoking a revolt.
    Sort of makes sense until you look at the busy rush hour packed commuter train, assuming that ever comes back to being a thing again. Edit - as indeed you make the point.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565

    Sort of makes sense until you look at the busy rush hour packed commuter train, assuming that ever comes back to being a thing again. Edit - as indeed you make the point.
    Gove and co should stop wasting their time on this vaccine passport app crap and focus on persuading people to take up the jab.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,856
    The spy who was deported from the US is now an RT reporter and was sent to confront Navalny in prison.
    https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1377999658094628864
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,415
    Charles said:

    Option 3 is there is a small group of anti vaxxers who can be turned by convincing them that life with jabs will be brutish, nasty and short.
    You might want to reread that last sentence.
  • Apologies if someone has done this or I've miscalculated, but screaming arb.

    Rose to lay for London Mayor back in to 22 at Smarkets.
    "Any other party" to win at Betfair 32 right now but 46 was getting taken earlier

    Though personally I'm not hedging!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    Harry Cole reminds us that it was only on the 24th of March that Johnson was telling us covid passport app was coming for the pub.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    rcs1000 said:

    So, it's a multi billion pound "solution" for a problem that will exist for about six weeks, that will be delivered long after the six weeks is over.
    Sounds about right for this government. Money is free you know.
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    justin124 said:

    Not necessarily - Pembroke went Labour by 755 in 1992 when the Tories led across GB by 7.6%. Preseli Pembrokeshire nearly fell to Labour in 2017.
    Plaid is very weak in the S Pembs part of the Carmarthen West seat , but much stronger beyond the Pembrokeshire border.
    Much will depend on the new Pembrokeshire boundaries. It may be that a bit of Cardigan will be included which could help the labour vote.
    The county was red from 1992 to 1997 when it split. Then Preseli till 2005 and Carms West 2010 , so there is a recent Labour history. No other parties have come close.
    It will be an interesting contest as neither current MP are particularly popular.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    rcs1000 said:

    So, it's a multi billion pound "solution" for a problem that will exist for about six weeks, that will be delivered long after the six weeks is over.
    I'm sure the contract will go to serco or another company that has donors.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    You might want to reread that last sentence.
    Was too late to edit when I saw but meant “without” obviously
  • MaxPB said:

    I'm sure the contract will go to serco or another company that has donors.
    Yadda yadda, if there’s corruption report it to the police.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Harry Cole reminds us that it was only on the 24th of March that Johnson was telling us covid passport app was coming for the pub.

    Yes, but apparently this isn't a u-turn and people were being hysterical. It was the reaction of the country that has forced Boris into this u-turn the government, it convinced the Tory MPs to rebel and go public. We need to keep going and get the idea dumped entirely.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808
    Leon said:

    Ahem. As I predicted. Theatres yes, pubs no. Very sensible. They should also make the schemes voluntary - but this is how they would divide anyway. Theatres yes, pubs no

    The hysteria on here was and is absurd
    Well if that goes ahead then it will be costing the globe 900£ straight off the bat as I will be cancelling my patron membership and my son and his girlfriends best friend membership. I will be sure to let them know why as well.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    MaxPB said:

    Yes, but apparently this isn't a u-turn and people were being hysterical. It was the reaction of the country that has forced Boris into this u-turn the government, it convinced the Tory MPs to rebel and go public. We need to keep going and get the idea dumped entirely.
    :+1:
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited April 2021
    valleyboy said:

    Much will depend on the new Pembrokeshire boundaries. It may be that a bit of Cardigan will be included which could help the labour vote.
    The county was red from 1992 to 1997 when it split. Then Preseli till 2005 and Carms West 2010 , so there is a recent Labour history. No other parties have come close.
    It will be an interesting contest as neither current MP are particularly popular.
    The Pembrokeshire seat actually disappeared in 1983 when North Pembrokeshire was combined with Cardigan. In 1992 Nick Ainger gained the residual Pembroke seat from the Tory - Nicholas Bennett. Similar boundaries may well operate next time.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,540
    edited April 2021
    Racist toddlers need re-education.....second story in the Telegraph.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1378452145238900739?s=19
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    What's the point then. Unless they're seriously saying that the night economy will need to stay closed until then?!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,362
    These tweets are really useless. They say it's breaking but they are just repeating another news outlet, and they don't even give the link to the story.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    I hope I am wrong but the signs really do seem to indicate Russia has more in mind than exercises - Yokel, any thoughts if you around?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,540
    edited April 2021
    MaxPB said:

    What's the point then. Unless they're seriously saying that the night economy will need to stay closed until then?!
    Given how long the original flawed app took, be 2022...
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    MaxPB said:

    Yes, but apparently this isn't a u-turn and people were being hysterical. It was the reaction of the country that has forced Boris into this u-turn the government, it convinced the Tory MPs to rebel and go public. We need to keep going and get the idea dumped entirely.
    You mean the polling which had 70% in favour or the screechings on twitter? Get over yourself.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,540
    RobD said:

    These tweets are really useless. They say it's breaking but they are just repeating another news outlet, and they don't even give the link to the story.
    That's the way modern news works.....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    Cummings turned him down (rudely, as you'd expect) to be the mouthpiece of Vote Leave.

    I think with Alan Duncan there's nothing more political than a personal grudge.
    I have met Duncan a few times. He is a nasty arrogant person, but he is fairly intelligent and can be witty and charming. Other people just exist as his stepping stones, only to be considered for what he can get out of them. So you may be right, but I think he was genuine about being for Remain.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Good evening everyone.

    Great to have Premier League football back after it was disbanded on Christmas Day. Can we just write off Christmas -> Good Friday from this year's league table? 😂
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,538
    Floater said:
    The old colour chart joke has been fully inverted.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Leon said:

    Ahem. As I predicted. Theatres yes, pubs no. Very sensible. They should also make the schemes voluntary - but this is how they would divide anyway. Theatres yes, pubs no

    The hysteria on here was and is absurd
    All of these are places that already check for tickets/ID anyway and don't allow people to just walk in like pubs do.

    There was never a chance on earth it was going to work for pubs.

    Still hope its voluntary and not compulsory scheme.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    felix said:

    You mean the polling which had 70% in favour or the screechings on twitter? Get over yourself.
    The polls have had people in favour of lockdown for ages and yet it's extremely unpopular outside of a few ultras. It's the same polling effect, people think they're a good idea for everyone else.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,415
    MaxPB said:

    What's the point then. Unless they're seriously saying that the night economy will need to stay closed until then?!
    The whole thing makes literally no sense.

    By the Autumn, everyone (probably including children) will have been vaccinated. And many of us will even have had booster shots. Virus incidence in the UK will be negligible, and hospitalisations rarer than for influenza.

    So, why will we need Vaxports then?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,695
    I'm surprised that nobody in Downing Street has suggested that you will need a vaccine passport in order to access a Covid vaccination centre.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    rcs1000 said:

    The whole thing makes literally no sense.

    By the Autumn, everyone (probably including children) will have been vaccinated. And many of us will even have had booster shots. Virus incidence in the UK will be negligible, and hospitalisations rarer than for influenza.

    So, why will we need Vaxports then?
    So they can introduce a national id app by the backdoor.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,415
    Floater said:
    Organisations like Nation of Islam are very attractive to the mentally ill. In contrast to normal social groups, they are welcomed in, they are given purpose, and their lives gain a certain structure.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    MaxPB said:

    The polls have had people in favour of lockdown for ages and yet it's extremely unpopular outside of a few ultras. It's the same polling effect, people think they're a good idea for everyone else.
    Probably polling these people: :smiley:

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1378380234710515714
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945

    Good evening everyone.

    Great to have Premier League football back after it was disbanded on Christmas Day. Can we just write off Christmas -> Good Friday from this year's league table? 😂

    You've started to play just hours after mathematically losing the title...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565

    I'm surprised that nobody in Downing Street has suggested that you will need a vaccine passport in order to access a Covid vaccination centre.

    Genuine :lol:
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    rcs1000 said:

    The whole thing makes literally no sense.

    By the Autumn, everyone (probably including children) will have been vaccinated. And many of us will even have had booster shots. Virus incidence in the UK will be negligible, and hospitalisations rarer than for influenza.

    So, why will we need Vaxports then?
    I've got no idea. The whole government just seems to be wedded to this idea even though they won't be necessary with our ultra low levels of vaccine hesitancy and vaccine delivery schedule.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    What's the point then. Unless they're seriously saying that the night economy will need to stay closed until then?!
    Not read the small print beyond the headline, but surely 21 June is "months" away?

    If any of these venues are closed after 21 June that is a massive failure as far as I'm concerned.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    dixiedean said:

    You've started to play just hours after mathematically losing the title...
    Just hope to win the Champions League now.

    Partially because it would be great to win that again, but partially because I don't want City to get the quadruple. 😉
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    I'm surprised that nobody in Downing Street has suggested that you will need a vaccine passport in order to access a Covid vaccination centre.

    I'm surprised that nobody in Downing Street has suggested that you will need a vaccine passport in order to access everything except if you are a Tory donor
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited April 2021
    Pagan2 said:

    Well if that goes ahead then it will be costing the globe 900£ straight off the bat as I will be cancelling my patron membership and my son and his girlfriends best friend membership. I will be sure to let them know why as well.
    Will you tell them, to paraphrase Ovid, spectatum venimus, sed non spectemur ut ipsi? *


    * We come to be spectators, but not to be inspected ourselves.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Not read the small print beyond the headline, but surely 21 June is "months" away?

    If any of these venues are closed after 21 June that is a massive failure as far as I'm concerned.
    It said September.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    Cookie said:

    Our host had basically built a small pub in a back garden. It was built to be the exact size needed for a pool table, plus a bar. It is a thing of joy and will become our venue of choice if you end up having to wear facemasks to go to real pubs.
    Our neighbour has done that (minus the pool table). They noise will be a pain when it's too warm to keep the windows closed, but clearly people are taking action to avoid the continuing nuisance of restrictions at licensed premises.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I'm surprised that nobody in Downing Street has suggested that you will need a vaccine passport in order to access everything except if you are a Tory donor
    Are you certain nobody has? 😉
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,415

    Not read the small print beyond the headline, but surely 21 June is "months" away?

    If any of these venues are closed after 21 June that is a massive failure as far as I'm concerned.
    Bear in mind the app, that will no doubt come with a multi billion pound price tag, isn't expected until the Autumn. Bear in mind, also, that government technology projects rarely deliver on time.

    So, are we planning on reopening venues without Vaxports, and then requiring them in 2022? Or are we planning to not reopen the venues, even though much of the population will be fully vaccinated, and CV19 incidence is going to be very low?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Foxy said:

    I have met Duncan a few times. He is a nasty arrogant person, but he is fairly intelligent and can be witty and charming. Other people just exist as his stepping stones, only to be considered for what he can get out of them. So you may be right, but I think he was genuine about being for Remain.
    Genuine unless it was in his career interests?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12203997/Sir-Alan-Duncan-tried-to-join-board-of-Leave-organisation-weeks-before-saying-he-will-campaign-to-stay-In.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    justin124 said:

    The Pembrokeshire seat actually disappeared in 1983 when North Pembrokeshire was combined with Cardigan. In 1992 Nick Ainger gained the residual Pembroke seat from the Tory - Nicholas Bennett. Similar boundaries may well operate next time.
    Bennett was very unpopular. I've met him!
    Will be interesting when boundaries changed.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Looks like the Russians are getting ready for another military campaign.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    edited April 2021
    No potential downsides to teaching toddlers to be hyperaware of race, I'm sure. There's no way that could possibly be counterproductive.

    Children that age don't know shit, they can barely even mimic let alone develop understanding complex ideas of ingrained social inequality and racial tensions which you apparently need a degree in race theory to comprehend and workplace seminars to be trained in. They wouldn't be able to understand it, so all you'd get is rote learning of slogans, and that's not helpful.

    By the time they get to the age of JoJo from JoJo Rabbit, sure, kids need to know stuff, but I think Barney the Dinosaur telling everyone to kind to one another suffices during the toddler years.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824
    Floater said:
    True story: my younger daughter, now 14, was witnessed doing a Hitler salute *in utero*. She would have got away with it, being a fetus, but she was caught via ultrasound, thank God. She’s been in re-education ever since birth and she can now only say ‘whiteness are evil innit’, when she’s not drooling. A lucky escape, frankly
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Charles said:

    Genuine unless it was in his career interests?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12203997/Sir-Alan-Duncan-tried-to-join-board-of-Leave-organisation-weeks-before-saying-he-will-campaign-to-stay-In.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
    Exactly. A bit like Johnson himself.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Floater said:
    Like my daughters school

    They were told to rewrite a “fairy tale” to “include social justice” in it

    She tried to use The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe & it was thrown out as “not being a fairy story”... but they let her use something with aliens in it instead
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    rcs1000 said:

    Bear in mind the app, that will no doubt come with a multi billion pound price tag, isn't expected until the Autumn. Bear in mind, also, that government technology projects rarely deliver on time.

    So, are we planning on reopening venues without Vaxports, and then requiring them in 2022? Or are we planning to not reopen the venues, even though much of the population will be fully vaccinated, and CV19 incidence is going to be very low?
    Perhaps they will reopen with social distancing and space between seats and all that. When the app comes they can get rid of that restriction. This might be the thinking down in the bunker. Makes sense if you have lost all sense of proportionality.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    rcs1000 said:

    Bear in mind the app, that will no doubt come with a multi billion pound price tag, isn't expected until the Autumn. Bear in mind, also, that government technology projects rarely deliver on time.

    So, are we planning on reopening venues without Vaxports, and then requiring them in 2022? Or are we planning to not reopen the venues, even though much of the population will be fully vaccinated, and CV19 incidence is going to be very low?
    Virus incidence is not going to be very low, it's going to virtually non-existent. As in less than 100 cases per day and almost no one going to hospital for it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    It said September.
    That's a ludicrous failure if those venues are closed until September. 👎

    Or are they going to be open to all then require vaccinations months after being open to all? 🤦‍♂️
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,228

    Racist toddlers need re-education.....second story in the Telegraph.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1378452145238900739?s=19

    More interesting to me is that we tried to buy a bit of Norway.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    RobD said:

    These tweets are really useless. They say it's breaking but they are just repeating another news outlet, and they don't even give the link to the story.
    I love the classic 'The [media outlet] understands', that is, they read the story on someone else's site, which for obvious reasons they usually don't link to.

    But one annoying thing is when referencing, say, a government report, some outlets hardly ever seem to link to those reports (they have gotten a little better at linking externally though, so perhaps this is improving at last). As slanted and biased as Guido is, and thus only useful to a degree, he does at least usually put up full copies of that sort of thing.
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