How will Boris be judged in future polling questions like this? – politicalbetting.com
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Objectively speaking, Scottish independence makes far more sense if they stay out of the EU rather than put up a hard EU border at Gretna Green.1
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The French do seem to be somewhat obseesed about the UK at the moment - I wonder what's bugging them...Sandpit said:
That’s certainly true, the English are thinking he’s doing something extraordinary.williamglenn said:
A few days ago the education minister said that keeping the schools open was "l'exception française" and boasted that the English are looking at them and thinking they are doing something extraordinary.TimT said:
And will address the nation some time in the next 15 days about an action you should be taking this week.Leon said:
ALERT: the government is soon going to do something which will be quite confusing to add to the half hearted confusing things we are also thinking of doing, or are already sort of doing, but do not worry, the President has read every book in the world and is now a scientific geniuswilliamglenn said:The French PM pre-announces that they will implement controls from Thursday to prevent people from regions with tighter restrictions from leaving for Easter...
https://twitter.com/Mediavenir/status/1376868056975040512
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but we were dragged out of Europe against our willRichard_Nabavi said:Objectively speaking, Scottish independence makes far more sense if they stay out of the EU rather than put up a hard EU border at Gretna Green.
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Nah, this sort of thing makes little difference.TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.0 -
That's a big couple of households........TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
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We demand a recount.williamglenn said:1 -
It is quite strange, is it not, this mutual love/hate relationship we have with the French.Sandpit said:
That’s certainly true, the English are thinking he’s doing something extraordinary.williamglenn said:
A few days ago the education minister said that keeping the schools open was "l'exception française" and boasted that the English are looking at them and thinking they are doing something extraordinary.TimT said:
And will address the nation some time in the next 15 days about an action you should be taking this week.Leon said:
ALERT: the government is soon going to do something which will be quite confusing to add to the half hearted confusing things we are also thinking of doing, or are already sort of doing, but do not worry, the President has read every book in the world and is now a scientific geniuswilliamglenn said:The French PM pre-announces that they will implement controls from Thursday to prevent people from regions with tighter restrictions from leaving for Easter...
https://twitter.com/Mediavenir/status/1376868056975040512
https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1374370205556609035
Why would a French minister name only one country (England) to demonstrate how well respected their infection control system is in their schools? It is, in a way, a compliment to the Brits that we are the ones he choses as a comparator/benchmark.
BTW - he is a very good speaker, regardless of what one thinks about what he said.1 -
Either this weekend or next weekend I'm publishing a piece on why Marine Le Pen is mispriced for the French Presidential election and why her winning it would be very bad for France in the long term*.Animal_pb said:
I know President Le Pen would be a bad thing. But can someone with a better grasp of French politics than me explain why she would be worse than the current incumbent?Gallowgate said:
Jeez. The "Saviour of Liberalism" is actually just Le Trump.williamglenn said:Le Monde: Macron's aides say he has mastered epidemiology to the point that he no longer necessarily has to follow the advice of scientists.
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2021/03/30/covid-19-emmanuel-macron-le-president-epidemiologiste_6074919_823448.html
The poser in me is currently writing said piece in French, if you're lucky I may translate it into English.
*Spoiler Alert: She's not as bad as her father on the bigotry front, and she'd a bit pragmatic (see how she abandoned France leaving the EU as a policy once Brexit became a shit show). However there's some in her family (yes you Marion Maréchal) that might end up becoming President later on who are more bigoted like Jean-Marie Le Pen.2 -
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?2 -
There would have to be some daft twunt up a tree too (though Covid-wise he's probably the safest in this picture).TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.0 -
Well yes, but that would be to admit that the ties to England are more important than with anywhere else, undermining the Nationalist case, and in particular the [legitimate] grievance over Brexit.Richard_Nabavi said:Objectively speaking, Scottish independence makes far more sense if they stay out of the EU rather than put up a hard EU border at Gretna Green.
And they can lie about there not being a border anyway. It's good enough for Johnson.0 -
Agree, like Pizza Hut trying to promote their pasta a few years ago by threatening to change their name to 'Pasta Hut'.Nigelb said:
Oh, I've no doubt VW are going all in on electric (& are probably one of the few which will succeed), but I think the headline might have been intended as a bit of lighthearted marketing* as opposed to rebranding.Dura_Ace said:
It would not surprise me if it were true; the stampede to electric is real no OEM wants to be outflanked. If you go to the BMW UK website it only shows the BEV models, you have to dig around to find the legacy fossil burners. The interior config options on the new M4 Competition are very cool.Nigelb said:Was this supposed to have been published on April 1st ?
https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1376592573083570189
*not very German, but VW in the US is different.0 -
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?0 -
Well other than if it was Gordon Brittas, he would have now crashed the national grid....Leon said:I didn't really get the Brittas meme until now. And it still doesn't work for 95% of people who have no idea who or what a Brittas is. But this is pure Brittas
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There are enough young people that it could be different young people.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
Why are you othering them by treating them as a homogenous whole?0 -
Whatever happened to individual responsibility?Gallowgate said:
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
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I think we could fairly describe a lot of Macron's recent actions as actively poisoning political debate, at the very least.Endillion said:
I can't claim to fulfil your criteria, but I assume it's that the incumbent is merely mostly useless, whereas Le Pen would actively poison the political debate simply by being in power.Animal_pb said:
I know President Le Pen would be a bad thing. But can someone with a better grasp of French politics than me explain why she would be worse than the current incumbent?Gallowgate said:
Jeez. The "Saviour of Liberalism" is actually just Le Trump.williamglenn said:Le Monde: Macron's aides say he has mastered epidemiology to the point that he no longer necessarily has to follow the advice of scientists.
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2021/03/30/covid-19-emmanuel-macron-le-president-epidemiologiste_6074919_823448.html0 -
There's actually something called 'Fishspiracy'? Pathetic a little effort wasn't employed - they could have called it 'Codspiracy'.Gallowgate said:
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?2 -
Yes, it's a curious paradox. Brexit provokes the desire, but takes away the performance.LostPassword said:
Well yes, but that would be to admit that the ties to England are more important than with anywhere else, undermining the Nationalist case, and in particular the [legitimate] grievance over Brexit.Richard_Nabavi said:Objectively speaking, Scottish independence makes far more sense if they stay out of the EU rather than put up a hard EU border at Gretna Green.
And they can lie about their not being a border anyway. It's good enough for Johnson.0 -
Hey, I hate littering as much as the next person. I was just "fishing" for an argument...RobD said:
Whatever happened to individual responsibility?Gallowgate said:
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?3 -
I was thinking about how not long ago 400k would be BOOM!!!! But now, even though we have been warned that things will slow down, it is a tad disappointing.NerysHughes said:
Thats pretty good for a SundayLeon said:
Hmm. Slowing, but not awfulwilliamglenn said:
It that is what disappointment looks like for a few weeks until Moderna arrives, I'll take it.2 -
Aye it's a viral Netflix documentary. It promotes veganism so you'll hate it.Luckyguy1983 said:
There's actually something called 'Fishspiracy'? Pathetic a little effort wasn't employed - they could have called it 'Codspiracy'.Gallowgate said:
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?0 -
The best one being Glastonbury.....all the Greenpeace, ooooh Jeremyyyyyy Corbyn, stuff on the weekend, abandon your tent and all your crap when you leave on the Monday.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?1 -
The cynicism of Republicans on voting reform is breathtaking.
Inside the Koch-Backed Effort to Block the Largest Election-Reform Bill in Half a Century
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-koch-backed-effort-to-block-the-largest-election-reform-bill-in-half-a-century
...The participants conceded that the bill, which would stem the flow of dark money from such political donors as the billionaire oil magnate Charles Koch, was so popular that it wasn’t worth trying to mount a public-advocacy campaign to shift opinion. Instead, a senior Koch operative said that opponents would be better off ignoring the will of American voters and trying to kill the bill in Congress.
Kyle McKenzie, the research director for the Koch-run advocacy group Stand Together, told fellow-conservatives and Republican congressional staffers on the call that he had a “spoiler.” “When presented with a very neutral description” of the bill, “people were generally supportive,” McKenzie said, adding that “the most worrisome part . . . is that conservatives were actually as supportive as the general public was when they read the neutral description.” In fact, he warned, “there’s a large, very large, chunk of conservatives who are supportive of these types of efforts.”
As a result, McKenzie conceded, the legislation’s opponents would likely have to rely on Republicans in the Senate, where the bill is now under debate, to use “under-the-dome-type strategies”—meaning legislative maneuvers beneath Congress’s roof, such as the filibuster—to stop the bill, because turning public opinion against it would be “incredibly difficult.” ...0 -
Marion strikes me as a sort of human equivalent of a Black Widow spider.TheScreamingEagles said:
Either this weekend or next weekend I'm publishing a piece on why Marine Le Pen is mispriced for the French Presidential election and why her winning it would be very bad for France in the long term*.Animal_pb said:
I know President Le Pen would be a bad thing. But can someone with a better grasp of French politics than me explain why she would be worse than the current incumbent?Gallowgate said:
Jeez. The "Saviour of Liberalism" is actually just Le Trump.williamglenn said:Le Monde: Macron's aides say he has mastered epidemiology to the point that he no longer necessarily has to follow the advice of scientists.
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2021/03/30/covid-19-emmanuel-macron-le-president-epidemiologiste_6074919_823448.html
The poser in me is currently writing said piece in French, if you're lucky I may translate it into English.
*Spoiler Alert: She's not as bad as her father on the bigotry front, and she'd a bit pragmatic (see how she abandoned France leaving the EU as a policy once Brexit became a shit show). However there's some in her family (yes you Marion Maréchal) that might end up becoming President later on who are more bigoted like Jean-Marie Le Pen.
She'd mate with you, potentially, provided you had the right "characteristics", but she'd shoot you with a Luger afterwards.0 -
The first red line on the UK aside of the negotiations would be the Gretna Green Protocol, which states simply that there can never be a hard border between Scotland and England.Richard_Nabavi said:Objectively speaking, Scottish independence makes far more sense if they stay out of the EU rather than put up a hard EU border at Gretna Green.
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You can't expect people to give a sh*t about the environment when they're hanging out of their arse, can you?FrancisUrquhart said:
The best one being Glastonbury.....all the Greenpeace, ooooh Jeremyyyyyy Corbyn, stuff on the weekend, abandon your tent and all your crap when you leave on the Monday.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?0 -
Probably made by vegans too, if the lethargic and undernourished 'pun' is anything to go by. Wonder if they had to go for a lie down after they came up with that one.Gallowgate said:
Aye it's a viral Netflix documentary. It promotes veganism so you'll hate it.Luckyguy1983 said:
There's actually something called 'Fishspiracy'? Pathetic a little effort wasn't employed - they could have called it 'Codspiracy'.Gallowgate said:
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?1 -
Bless you!Floater said:
TouchéBluestBlue said:
Indeed. For example, in prematurely calling the end of a vaccine bounce when all three subsequent polls show the Tory lead increasing.MikeSmithson said:
But two polls have the lead at 2%. We can all be selective.BluestBlue said:
The last three polls show two 8-point leads, and a 10-point lead today. In what fantasy land is that 'only slightly behind'?CorrectHorseBattery said:Bearing in mind Keir Starmer took Labour from 20 points behind to ahead and now only slightly behind, if the Tories cock up literally anything he'll be in the lead again.
He's done the best job he could have done, the complaints about him puzzle me0 -
In all seriousness, it's called Fishspiracy because of the success of the Cowspiracy documentary also on Netflix. I'm unsure if they are funded or produced by the same people.Luckyguy1983 said:
Probably made by vegans too, if the lethargic and undernourished 'pun' is anything to go by. Wonder if they had to go for a lie down after they came up with that one.Gallowgate said:
Aye it's a viral Netflix documentary. It promotes veganism so you'll hate it.Luckyguy1983 said:
There's actually something called 'Fishspiracy'? Pathetic a little effort wasn't employed - they could have called it 'Codspiracy'.Gallowgate said:
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?0 -
I've used François Mitterrand's line on Thatcher for Marion Maréchal.Casino_Royale said:
Marion strikes me as a sort of human equivalent of a Black Widow spider.TheScreamingEagles said:
Either this weekend or next weekend I'm publishing a piece on why Marine Le Pen is mispriced for the French Presidential election and why her winning it would be very bad for France in the long term*.Animal_pb said:
I know President Le Pen would be a bad thing. But can someone with a better grasp of French politics than me explain why she would be worse than the current incumbent?Gallowgate said:
Jeez. The "Saviour of Liberalism" is actually just Le Trump.williamglenn said:Le Monde: Macron's aides say he has mastered epidemiology to the point that he no longer necessarily has to follow the advice of scientists.
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2021/03/30/covid-19-emmanuel-macron-le-president-epidemiologiste_6074919_823448.html
The poser in me is currently writing said piece in French, if you're lucky I may translate it into English.
*Spoiler Alert: She's not as bad as her father on the bigotry front, and she'd a bit pragmatic (see how she abandoned France leaving the EU as a policy once Brexit became a shit show). However there's some in her family (yes you Marion Maréchal) that might end up becoming President later on who are more bigoted like Jean-Marie Le Pen.
She'd mate with you, potentially, provided you had the right "characteristics", but she'd shoot you with a Luger afterwards.
I fear she's got the red hot blooded male vote already locked up.
'The eyes of Caligula and the mouth of Marilyn Monroe'0 -
Plastic bags are one of the biggest sources of waste in landfill and in our environment. And it's your job to clear up your own mess - not someone else's.Gallowgate said:
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
This really isn't difficult. You take a plastic bag with you. You enjoy your picnic. You put the waste in the plastic bag and then in the bin, or you take it home with you and then put it in the bin. I've been out on a walk today and that's exactly what I've done. It's not hard. It's not difficult. It doesn't put you out. And it doesn't occur to me why anyone would think to do anything different.
It makes me wonder how some people are brought up.0 -
She doesn't seem any more bigoted than Macron and his Cabinet. When they're attacking her for not being Islamophobic enough ... they seem like two cheeks of the same arse.TheScreamingEagles said:
Either this weekend or next weekend I'm publishing a piece on why Marine Le Pen is mispriced for the French Presidential election and why her winning it would be very bad for France in the long term*.Animal_pb said:
I know President Le Pen would be a bad thing. But can someone with a better grasp of French politics than me explain why she would be worse than the current incumbent?Gallowgate said:
Jeez. The "Saviour of Liberalism" is actually just Le Trump.williamglenn said:Le Monde: Macron's aides say he has mastered epidemiology to the point that he no longer necessarily has to follow the advice of scientists.
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2021/03/30/covid-19-emmanuel-macron-le-president-epidemiologiste_6074919_823448.html
The poser in me is currently writing said piece in French, if you're lucky I may translate it into English.
*Spoiler Alert: She's not as bad as her father on the bigotry front, and she'd a bit pragmatic (see how she abandoned France leaving the EU as a policy once Brexit became a shit show). However there's some in her family (yes you Marion Maréchal) that might end up becoming President later on who are more bigoted like Jean-Marie Le Pen.2 -
executive produced by Cowspiracy's Kip AndersenGallowgate said:
In all seriousness, it's called Fishspiracy because of the success of the Cowspiracy documentary also on Netflix. I'm unsure if they are funded or produced by the same people.Luckyguy1983 said:
Probably made by vegans too, if the lethargic and undernourished 'pun' is anything to go by. Wonder if they had to go for a lie down after they came up with that one.Gallowgate said:
Aye it's a viral Netflix documentary. It promotes veganism so you'll hate it.Luckyguy1983 said:
There's actually something called 'Fishspiracy'? Pathetic a little effort wasn't employed - they could have called it 'Codspiracy'.Gallowgate said:
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?1 -
One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.0 -
I think some of the border counties, which are majority unionist, shoud be allowed to stay in the UK if they want, pushing the boundary up towards Edinburgh. Same with the Orkneys.Sandpit said:
The first red line on the UK aside of the negotiations would be the Gretna Green Protocol, which states simply that there can never be a hard border between Scotland and England.Richard_Nabavi said:Objectively speaking, Scottish independence makes far more sense if they stay out of the EU rather than put up a hard EU border at Gretna Green.
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At the election the gap was 11.8 points. Taking all the recent polls and allowingb margin for error the gap is now between 6 and 7 points (Tory 42, Lab 36 or 35).BluestBlue said:
The last three polls show two 8-point leads, and a 10-point lead today. In what fantasy land is that 'only slightly behind'?CorrectHorseBattery said:Bearing in mind Keir Starmer took Labour from 20 points behind to ahead and now only slightly behind, if the Tories cock up literally anything he'll be in the lead again.
He's done the best job he could have done, the complaints about him puzzle me
Views will differ but it seems to me that a centrist Labour leader is simply certain to close any gap just by virtue of not being an extremist, and so one could say roughly that SKS has done what a centrist leader will do, and no less, but crucially, no more than that.
Having said that, he is up against a political genius comparable to Blair, Clinton and Obama and Labour are unfortunate in not having anyone in their ranks who is obviously in that league (though Jess Phillips would be worth a trial gallop), while Nicola, like Rangers, is playing in the Scottish not English league. At some point against Boris you have to put your best players on the pitch and have some luck, while hoping Boris's runs out.
Labour will win Hartlepool. Their problem is that this will come as a relief, not a routine canter.
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Doesn't do it for me. She just looks evil.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've used François Mitterrand's line on Thatcher for Marion Maréchal.Casino_Royale said:
Marion strikes me as a sort of human equivalent of a Black Widow spider.TheScreamingEagles said:
Either this weekend or next weekend I'm publishing a piece on why Marine Le Pen is mispriced for the French Presidential election and why her winning it would be very bad for France in the long term*.Animal_pb said:
I know President Le Pen would be a bad thing. But can someone with a better grasp of French politics than me explain why she would be worse than the current incumbent?Gallowgate said:
Jeez. The "Saviour of Liberalism" is actually just Le Trump.williamglenn said:Le Monde: Macron's aides say he has mastered epidemiology to the point that he no longer necessarily has to follow the advice of scientists.
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2021/03/30/covid-19-emmanuel-macron-le-president-epidemiologiste_6074919_823448.html
The poser in me is currently writing said piece in French, if you're lucky I may translate it into English.
*Spoiler Alert: She's not as bad as her father on the bigotry front, and she'd a bit pragmatic (see how she abandoned France leaving the EU as a policy once Brexit became a shit show). However there's some in her family (yes you Marion Maréchal) that might end up becoming President later on who are more bigoted like Jean-Marie Le Pen.
She'd mate with you, potentially, provided you had the right "characteristics", but she'd shoot you with a Luger afterwards.
I fear she's got the red hot blooded male vote already locked up.
'The eyes of Caligula and the mouth of Marilyn Monroe'
I even think she looks insincere when she smiles, with a sort of underlying malice to it.0 -
Welcome to the grumpy old gits' club, CasinoCasino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and [snipped]TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
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I'm happy to take a look at it but as with Cowspiracy these documentaries make for fascinating TV but are usually subsequently found to have "facts" in them that are highly questionable.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Cowspiracy was comprehensively fisked and debunked, and there are plenty of blogs and news articles out there that show it.1 -
Deary Me.Gallowgate said:
In all seriousness, it's called Fishspiracy because of the success of the Cowspiracy documentary also on Netflix. I'm unsure if they are funded or produced by the same people.Luckyguy1983 said:
Probably made by vegans too, if the lethargic and undernourished 'pun' is anything to go by. Wonder if they had to go for a lie down after they came up with that one.Gallowgate said:
Aye it's a viral Netflix documentary. It promotes veganism so you'll hate it.Luckyguy1983 said:
There's actually something called 'Fishspiracy'? Pathetic a little effort wasn't employed - they could have called it 'Codspiracy'.Gallowgate said:
Maybe they've all watched Fishspiracy and discovered that the fishing industry is responsible for the vast majority of the single-use plastic in the oceans so who cares about the odd plastic bag?Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
I expect 'eggspiracy' next - it would be odd if these vitality-hooverers didn't target everything that's actually nourishing in our diet.
Oh well, every trend has a counter-trend - roll on a new diet revolution based on real food.0 -
Cannot decide whether Starmer is there through desperation or because he feels it's a safe win. Probably the latter.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well other than if it was Gordon Brittas, he would have now crashed the national grid....Leon said:I didn't really get the Brittas meme until now. And it still doesn't work for 95% of people who have no idea who or what a Brittas is. But this is pure Brittas
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Have I gone mad, or does that not make sense? If they are +1/-1 from last month surely right wasn’t ahead then?Scott_xP said:2 -
Amazing. Whether this is a feature or a bug may well depend on point of view. However, if it happens in anything like such a way others will soon learn how to join in or counteract it.malcolmg said:Example of potential impact of ALBA on election.
THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN 2016 IF SNP LIST VOTES WERE FOR ALBA!
So to put it simply instead of there being FOUR SNP LIST MSP’s there would have been 33 ALBA pro Indy MSP’s.
Most important of all, take a look at the Unionists. Instead of there being 24 Tories, there would have only been 12.
Likewise, instead of 21 Labour there would have been only 11.
The Liberals would have lost both their list seats and been reduced to zero
The Greens would have lost all five of their lists seats.
So an overall INCREASE of 24 pro Indy MSP’s
An overall DECREASE of 24 unionist MSP’s
As I see it to have a system where a party could rename itself: Progress Party 1 and Progress Party 2 and gain massive numbers of extra seats by standing PP1 in the seats and PP2 in the lists is an absurdity but a fascinating absurdity.
At least FPTP is simple.
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I have zero intention of spending even an hour watching vegan propaganda. Nope, not for me.Casino_Royale said:
I'm happy to take a look at it but as with Cowspiracy these documentaries make for fascinating TV but are usually subsequently found to have "facts" in them that are highly questionable.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Cowspiracy was comprehensively fisked and debunked, and there are plenty of blogs and news articles out there that show it.0 -
Of course just because someone claims to "debunk" something, it doesn't mean they have.Casino_Royale said:
I'm happy to take a look at it but as with Cowspiracy these documentaries make for fascinating TV but are usually subsequently found to have "facts" in them that are highly questionable.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Cowspiracy was comprehensively fisked and debunked, and there are plenty of blogs and news articles out there that show it.
I find that the truth is often somewhere in the middle.
There's another good documentary on Netflix at the moment called "Kiss the Ground" which explores the benefit of using crops AND livestock to restore top-soil and at the same time pull carbon out of the air. Significant amounts of carbon.
It was very compelling. There was a farmer in America who stopped using tons of inputs such as pesticides and instead studied soil science and now makes 10 times the amount of profit per acre selling a variety of crops and grass-fed meat. Because he has better soil his crops are hardier too. I'm sure there's more to it than the documentary talks about but it was still a good thing.0 -
This isn't a new problem.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?1 -
Hypocrisy is rife everywhereCasino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?0 -
Just because it's vegan propaganda doesn't mean there aren't good things to learn from it. You just have to approach it critically.Philip_Thompson said:
I have zero intention of spending even an hour watching vegan propaganda. Nope, not for me.Casino_Royale said:
I'm happy to take a look at it but as with Cowspiracy these documentaries make for fascinating TV but are usually subsequently found to have "facts" in them that are highly questionable.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Cowspiracy was comprehensively fisked and debunked, and there are plenty of blogs and news articles out there that show it.
I haven't turned into a vegan after watching it but I have learnt some things.0 -
I know I know.. and I'm not trying to start a generation fight but I've seen this a lot after music festivals, picnics in the park, Durdle Door beach, Glastonbury and now this. And they do tend to have far younger crowds. Public attitudes really do seem to have tanked in Gen Y/Z.Selebian said:
Welcome to the grumpy old gits' club, CasinoCasino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and [snipped]TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
I think if there's one thing that really boils my piss about modern life it's about how people post electronically about all the "right on" things on social media - which is basically showing off - yet act like utter selfish tits in real life.
I just find it narcisstic, nihilistic, and utterly self-absorbed. It earns a sort of contempt from me.
I was always taught the PRECISE opposite: you let other people highlight and flag your achievements publicly, whilst you modestly play it down and graciously thank them, and you otherwise behave scrupulously in your private life and do-unto-others-as-you-would-be-done by.
I fear we are Rome in the 4th century. Decadent, indulgent and on an irrevocable path of decline and division.0 -
Indeed. I believe my parents said the same about our generation.Andy_JS said:
This isn't a new problem.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?0 -
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.0 -
Right now an interesting moment for England and Wales through parlaiment to grant unilateral unconditional independence to Scotland and NI.Leon said:
That's the split, right there. They are going to fight like rats in a sporran after MayCarlottaVance said:
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True, but it seems to have got worse in the last 5-10 years? Particularly the last year, although that may be due to Covid.Andy_JS said:
This isn't a new problem.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
A new national campaign is needed. I went for a beautiful country walk this morning and litter was EVERYWHERE.1 -
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.0 -
He's typed it wrong. First time wrong has not been ahead of right since 2018.isam said:
Have I gone mad, or does that not make sense? If they are +1/-1 from last month surely right wasn’t ahead then?Scott_xP said:
IE when May was making a dogs breakfast of Brexit wrong pulled a consistent lead.
Since Brexit actually happened under Boris and the EU made a pigs ear of vaccines suddenly wrong lead has evaporated.
Whether Scott would have scraped that from Twitter without the mistype is another question.0 -
The contents of the tweet do not match the contents of the story. But what else do you expect from "BremaininSpain".Scott_xP said:2 -
Looking in from my day job:Casino_Royale said:
I'm happy to take a look at it but as with Cowspiracy these documentaries make for fascinating TV but are usually subsequently found to have "facts" in them that are highly questionable.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Cowspiracy was comprehensively fisked and debunked, and there are plenty of blogs and news articles out there that show it.
https://www.ciwf.org.uk/news/2021/03/murky-depths-of-the-scottish-salmon-industry-exposed-in-new-undercover-investigation0 -
Nutrition wise seafood is very good for you. I doubt many credibly disagree with that.Gallowgate said:
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.0 -
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The Scottish salmon bit was the most shocking bit to be fair and I LOVE smoked Scottish salmon.NickPalmer said:
Looking in from my day job:Casino_Royale said:
I'm happy to take a look at it but as with Cowspiracy these documentaries make for fascinating TV but are usually subsequently found to have "facts" in them that are highly questionable.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Cowspiracy was comprehensively fisked and debunked, and there are plenty of blogs and news articles out there that show it.
https://www.ciwf.org.uk/news/2021/03/murky-depths-of-the-scottish-salmon-industry-exposed-in-new-undercover-investigation0 -
"John Read, the founder of the Clean Up Britain charity, was forwarded an email from an American travel company based in Washington that organises regular tourist trips to the UK. It read: “Although we enjoyed our time in your country, we are not recommending any further tours to the United Kingdom. This has nothing to do with Brexit, but litter. Of all the countries in the world we visit, on a regular basis, Britain is by far the worst for litter, especially on roads, which in so many places is inches deep.” The message ended with an abrupt apology: “I’m sorry to say, you’ve lost our business.”"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britains-become-a-rubbish-dump-its-up-to-us-to-pick-up-the-pieces-zm9ls06f21 -
The classic one of these documentaries is Gasland, with the viral footage of somebody lighting the water coming out of their tap as evidence that fracking that caused methane to get into the water supply.
It was subsequently found that it occurs across parts of the US for reasons unrelated to fracking.1 -
Plenty of people disagree with that. Heavy metals and micro-plastics for one.Philip_Thompson said:
Nutrition wise seafood is very good for you. I doubt many credibly disagree with that.Gallowgate said:
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
The fact is that while seafood CAN be very good for you, it often isn't, and it often isn't sustainably fished even if it says it is. That's part of what the documentary explores.0 -
It's definitely got worse. Some places look like the 3rd world.Casino_Royale said:
True, but it seems to have got worse in the last 5-10 years? Particularly the last year, although that may be due to Covid.Andy_JS said:
This isn't a new problem.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
A new national campaign is needed. I went for a beautiful country walk this morning and litter was EVERYWHERE.
I went for a drive in Essex a fortnight back and for 20 miles of dual carriageway there was litter on both sides all the way. Gross. Parts of London are now notably cleaner than the countryside/suburbs
Yes we need a national campaign2 -
That sounds interesting. Documentaries are there to provoke but of course TV is a powerful and dramatic medium and, like any film, it needs to be researched afterwards to validate the claims. I find scientific and official reports more convincing.Gallowgate said:
Of course just because someone claims to "debunk" something, it doesn't mean they have.Casino_Royale said:
I'm happy to take a look at it but as with Cowspiracy these documentaries make for fascinating TV but are usually subsequently found to have "facts" in them that are highly questionable.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Cowspiracy was comprehensively fisked and debunked, and there are plenty of blogs and news articles out there that show it.
I find that the truth is often somewhere in the middle.
There's another good documentary on Netflix at the moment called "Kiss the Ground" which explores the benefit of using crops AND livestock to restore top-soil and at the same time pull carbon out of the air. Significant amounts of carbon.
It was very compelling. There was a farmer in America who stopped using tons of inputs such as pesticides and instead studied soil science and now makes 10 times the amount of profit per acre selling a variety of crops and grass-fed meat. Because he has better soil his crops are hardier too. I'm sure there's more to it than the documentary talks about but it was still a good thing.
Overfishing is something I'm confident the UK and the EU can get to grips with in our waters, particularly with the protected marine zones we are looking to introduce.
I might be more concerned globally, however.0 -
Same as Michael Gove?RobD said:
The contents of the tweet do not match the contents of the story. But what else do you expect from "BremaininSpain".Scott_xP said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/06/uk-statistics-authority-rebukes-gove-over-observers-brexit-figures0 -
Just mental, absolutely mental.CarlottaVance said:This'll end well:
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After the EU referendum the SNP line was not being taken out of the EU against their will. Surely if there were a new Scottish referendum then the SNP would not want to force those areas who wanted to remain in the UK to leave. It would then make for a very interesting map.Fishing said:
I think some of the border counties, which are majority unionist, shoud be allowed to stay in the UK if they want, pushing the boundary up towards Edinburgh. Same with the Orkneys.Sandpit said:
The first red line on the UK aside of the negotiations would be the Gretna Green Protocol, which states simply that there can never be a hard border between Scotland and England.Richard_Nabavi said:Objectively speaking, Scottish independence makes far more sense if they stay out of the EU rather than put up a hard EU border at Gretna Green.
Here's the 2014 map for comparison...
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29255449
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I can understand you not wanting a row - I don't want one either. But either there are verifiable facts indicating that we should (against all medical advice) eat less fish, or there aren't.Gallowgate said:
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.0 -
552? Is this one of those occasions where the journo has counted all the codeshares rather than actual flights?FrancisUrquhart said:
Just mental, absolutely mental.CarlottaVance said:This'll end well:
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Maybe he was just being fair to both sides!Philip_Thompson said:
He's typed it wrong. First time wrong has not been ahead of right since 2018.isam said:
Have I gone mad, or does that not make sense? If they are +1/-1 from last month surely right wasn’t ahead then?Scott_xP said:
IE when May was making a dogs breakfast of Brexit wrong pulled a consistent lead.
Since Brexit actually happened under Boris and the EU made a pigs ear of vaccines suddenly wrong lead has evaporated.
Whether Scott would have scraped that from Twitter without the mistype is another question.0 -
That's Essex, chav central, they have no class.Leon said:
It's definitely got worse. Some places look like the 3rd world.Casino_Royale said:
True, but it seems to have got worse in the last 5-10 years? Particularly the last year, although that may be due to Covid.Andy_JS said:
This isn't a new problem.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
A new national campaign is needed. I went for a beautiful country walk this morning and litter was EVERYWHERE.
I went for a drive in Essex a fortnight back and for 20 miles of dual carriageway there was litter on both sides all the way. Gross. Parts of London are now notably cleaner than the countryside/suburbs
Yes we need a national campaign0 -
Every single border seat, both sides, is Tory held. This is not often the case. But I think it tells you about what the borders thinks. If you shift the border upwards you would just shift Torywards in the southern uplands of Scotland (that quiet, majestic and entirely empty quarter of God's own country).Fishing said:
I think some of the border counties, which are majority unionist, shoud be allowed to stay in the UK if they want, pushing the boundary up towards Edinburgh. Same with the Orkneys.Sandpit said:
The first red line on the UK aside of the negotiations would be the Gretna Green Protocol, which states simply that there can never be a hard border between Scotland and England.Richard_Nabavi said:Objectively speaking, Scottish independence makes far more sense if they stay out of the EU rather than put up a hard EU border at Gretna Green.
Mind, if you did and went up to about Edinburgh you could recreate the kingdom Northumbria at the height of its powers in about 700.
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Gosh, I'm surprised no one has suggested this before #gamechangerFishing said:
I think some of the border counties, which are majority unionist, shoud be allowed to stay in the UK if they want, pushing the boundary up towards Edinburgh. Same with the Orkneys.Sandpit said:
The first red line on the UK aside of the negotiations would be the Gretna Green Protocol, which states simply that there can never be a hard border between Scotland and England.Richard_Nabavi said:Objectively speaking, Scottish independence makes far more sense if they stay out of the EU rather than put up a hard EU border at Gretna Green.
Pro tip, if you want to curry favour with your prospective enclave, people from Orkney deplore 'the Orkneys', it's Orkney or the Orkney Islands at a push. Similar applies to Shetland.0 -
You make statements like "against all medical advice" like they are fact. But they aren't.Luckyguy1983 said:
I can understand you not wanting a row - I don't want one either. But either there are verifiable facts indicating that we should (against all medical advice) eat less fish, or there aren't.Gallowgate said:
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
I know you have very strong views about the positives of eating animals and I too eat animals. But that doesn't mean there are not negatives about eating animals - especially animals who are unhealthy and/or farmed unsustainably.
The vegan propaganda documentary explores how the sustainable fishing badge you find on fish is basically worthless and that farmed fish is unhealthy and unsustainable itself due to the amount of (wild caught) fish required for feed.
Maybe that will be debunked. We will see.
I have no doubt that eating wild healthy salmon is good for you. Do I have doubts that eating farmed unhealthy salmon is good for you? Yes.0 -
This is why AI will never be a success.
A maltesers and marmite cake? I mean really.
https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/13768864074284605451 -
I was walking by a country park in Colchester at the weekend and was appalled by the amount of rubbish I could see.Leon said:
It's definitely got worse. Some places look like the 3rd world.Casino_Royale said:
True, but it seems to have got worse in the last 5-10 years? Particularly the last year, although that may be due to Covid.Andy_JS said:
This isn't a new problem.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
A new national campaign is needed. I went for a beautiful country walk this morning and litter was EVERYWHERE.
I went for a drive in Essex a fortnight back and for 20 miles of dual carriageway there was litter on both sides all the way. Gross. Parts of London are now notably cleaner than the countryside/suburbs
Yes we need a national campaign
I did see a single volunteer doing his best to pick up said rubbish though - much respect to the gent.
Also one of our councillors goes out litter picking and organises community days to pick the stuff up - mind you he likes to share pics when he does it
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Part of the issue will often be that these are different people too. Twitter isn't Britain, but Twitter isn't Gen Y or Gen Z either.Casino_Royale said:
I know I know.. and I'm not trying to start a generation fight but I've seen this a lot after music festivals, picnics in the park, Durdle Door beach, Glastonbury and now this. And they do tend to have far younger crowds. Public attitudes really do seem to have tanked in Gen Y/Z.Selebian said:
Welcome to the grumpy old gits' club, CasinoCasino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and [snipped]TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
I think if there's one thing that really boils my piss about modern life it's about how people post electronically about all the "right on" things on social media - which is basically showing off - yet act like utter selfish tits in real life.
I just find it narcisstic, nihilistic, and utterly self-absorbed. It earns a sort of contempt from me.
I was always taught the PRECISE opposite: you let other people highlight and flag your achievements publicly, whilst you modestly play it down and graciously thank them, and you otherwise behave scrupulously in your private life and do-unto-others-as-you-would-be-done by.
I fear we are Rome in the 4th century. Decadent, indulgent and on an irrevocable path of decline and division.
What proportion of Gen Z spend their time on Twitter being right on? Not very many.0 -
It really does want to kill us......TheScreamingEagles said:This is why AI will never be a success.
A maltesers and marmite cake? I mean really.
https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/13768864074284605452 -
I have a buddy who has the first certified 'organic' tree farm in the US. He found that for certain species of trees, going organic has sped up tree growth and tree health, to the extent that he is now extending many of the practices to his non-organic trees, even though he won't be able to charge the organic price premium on them.Casino_Royale said:
That sounds interesting. Documentaries are there to provoke but of course TV is a powerful and dramatic medium and, like any film, it needs to be researched afterwards to validate the claims. I find scientific and official reports more convincing.Gallowgate said:
Of course just because someone claims to "debunk" something, it doesn't mean they have.Casino_Royale said:
I'm happy to take a look at it but as with Cowspiracy these documentaries make for fascinating TV but are usually subsequently found to have "facts" in them that are highly questionable.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Cowspiracy was comprehensively fisked and debunked, and there are plenty of blogs and news articles out there that show it.
I find that the truth is often somewhere in the middle.
There's another good documentary on Netflix at the moment called "Kiss the Ground" which explores the benefit of using crops AND livestock to restore top-soil and at the same time pull carbon out of the air. Significant amounts of carbon.
It was very compelling. There was a farmer in America who stopped using tons of inputs such as pesticides and instead studied soil science and now makes 10 times the amount of profit per acre selling a variety of crops and grass-fed meat. Because he has better soil his crops are hardier too. I'm sure there's more to it than the documentary talks about but it was still a good thing.
Overfishing is something I'm confident the UK and the EU can get to grips with in our waters, particularly with the protected marine zones we are looking to introduce.
I might be more concerned globally, however.2 -
I visualise 100,000 as the entire population of a UK constituency wiped off the map.Cookie said:
Humans stop being able to understand numbers after a certain point.Leon said:
Boris might get lucky because it is human nature to avert our faces from death and disaster.Mexicanpete said:
The 30,000,000 vaccination success has been quite rightly heralded as personal victory for Boris Johnson. The 150,000 deaths reported but largely without comment..Andy_JS said:
We've been hearing/reading about the death figures every day for the last 12 months.Mexicanpete said:Little comment on here from what I can see (forgive me if I have missed it) on the day the ONS confirming 150,000 UK Covid deaths.
Move along, nothing to see.
The sun is out, the vaccines are working, an end to lockdown (forever?) is finally in sight. The guy who goes around shouting BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE CORPSES?!? is not going to be popular, even if he has a good point
1,000 deaths from covid sounded disastrous.
100,000 is a statistic. It's such a big number we can't contextualise it. How many would we expect? What are other countries doing? Are they reporting in the same way? So we rely on our own personal experience, which is, in most cases, that the only people we know who have died of covid are people who sadly weren't long for this world anyway.
That's why big numbers don't really change people's minds like you might expect them to.
Or Wembley Stadium. ie One football pitch.
Or - I suppose - ten or twenty 100k-person demonstrations by the SWP.
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Philip_Thompson said:
Nutrition wise seafood is very good for you. I doubt many credibly disagree with that.Gallowgate said:
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Except the heavy metal poisoning if you eat too much meat from larger, older fish. Metals such as mercury accumulate in the fish (and the human eating the fish) over time.0 -
Indeed, it is even more mingin' than putting pineapple on pizza.Floater said:
It really does want to kill us......TheScreamingEagles said:This is why AI will never be a success.
A maltesers and marmite cake? I mean really.
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Actually, I'm all for making changes to our buying habits to ensure we only eat healthy animals and healthy animal products.Gallowgate said:
You make statements like "against all medical advice" like they are fact. But they aren't.Luckyguy1983 said:
I can understand you not wanting a row - I don't want one either. But either there are verifiable facts indicating that we should (against all medical advice) eat less fish, or there aren't.Gallowgate said:
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
I know you have very strong views about the positives of eating animals and I too eat animals. But that doesn't mean there are not negatives about eating animals - especially animals who are unhealthy and/or farmed unsustainably.
The vegan propaganda documentary explores how the sustainable fishing badge you find on fish is basically worthless and that farmed fish is unhealthy and unsustainable itself due to the amount of (wild caught) fish required for feed.
Maybe that will be debunked. We will see.
I have no doubt that eating wild healthy salmon is good for you. Do I have doubts that eating farmed unhealthy salmon is good for you? Yes.
I agree completely that a lot of the meat we eat isn't as healthy as it should be. You can't breed an unhealthy creature and expect it to be healthy to eat - if it isn't 'nourished', it won't be 'nourishing'. That's not well-meaning hokum, it's just simple fact - if a vitamin or mineral is not fed to the animal, it won't be as present in the meat.
So I don't think I'd have an issue with the doc, though I would regard excluding fish from the diet to be a major case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I would start from the perspective of animals and their products being of proven value to the diet, so how do we ensure that those animals are healthy and nourished, for their benefit and ours.
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Lots of litter, I think the majority, is actually released from rubbish bins and is not simply dropped by a human being. You can see this all the time in parks.Leon said:
It's definitely got worse. Some places look like the 3rd world.Casino_Royale said:
True, but it seems to have got worse in the last 5-10 years? Particularly the last year, although that may be due to Covid.Andy_JS said:
This isn't a new problem.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
A new national campaign is needed. I went for a beautiful country walk this morning and litter was EVERYWHERE.
I went for a drive in Essex a fortnight back and for 20 miles of dual carriageway there was litter on both sides all the way. Gross. Parts of London are now notably cleaner than the countryside/suburbs
Yes we need a national campaign
no doubt this has got a lot worse with bins not being emptied. That needs to change as much as anything, but some of it is COVID.0 -
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When I was a child in the 70s and 80s we spent every summer and every Christmas at our place in France. Back then there was rubbish everywhere in France while the UK was comparatively clean. Now it's the exact opposite. There is fucking shit all over the place. It's so pervasive I don't even think roaming death squads could sort it out now nevermind an ad campaign.Casino_Royale said:
True, but it seems to have got worse in the last 5-10 years? Particularly the last year, although that may be due to Covid.Andy_JS said:
This isn't a new problem.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
A new national campaign is needed. I went for a beautiful country walk this morning and litter was EVERYWHERE.0 -
Though even then if you stick with seafood like salmon, oysters, prawns etc there's very little risk. Sharks etc it is much more.TimT said:Philip_Thompson said:
Nutrition wise seafood is very good for you. I doubt many credibly disagree with that.Gallowgate said:
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Except the heavy metal poisoning if you eat too much meat from larger, older fish. Metals such as mercury accumulate in the fish (and the human eating the fish) over time.
Mediterranean diets with plenty of seafood are really good for you - and that typically involves eating all sorts of seafood not just large fish. I prefer crustaceans over fish.0 -
Talking to people about the huge problem of nosocomial infections in hospitals is the same. The image I use to contrast how poorly hospital administrators address safety in comparison to the commercial airline industry is to use the comparison that, for every airline passenger who dies as a result of an airline accident on a major Western commercial airline, the entire city of Atlanta is wiped out from getting infections acquired during a hospital visit.MattW said:
I visualise 100,000 as the entire population of a UK constituency wiped off the map.Cookie said:
Humans stop being able to understand numbers after a certain point.Leon said:
Boris might get lucky because it is human nature to avert our faces from death and disaster.Mexicanpete said:
The 30,000,000 vaccination success has been quite rightly heralded as personal victory for Boris Johnson. The 150,000 deaths reported but largely without comment..Andy_JS said:
We've been hearing/reading about the death figures every day for the last 12 months.Mexicanpete said:Little comment on here from what I can see (forgive me if I have missed it) on the day the ONS confirming 150,000 UK Covid deaths.
Move along, nothing to see.
The sun is out, the vaccines are working, an end to lockdown (forever?) is finally in sight. The guy who goes around shouting BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE CORPSES?!? is not going to be popular, even if he has a good point
1,000 deaths from covid sounded disastrous.
100,000 is a statistic. It's such a big number we can't contextualise it. How many would we expect? What are other countries doing? Are they reporting in the same way? So we rely on our own personal experience, which is, in most cases, that the only people we know who have died of covid are people who sadly weren't long for this world anyway.
That's why big numbers don't really change people's minds like you might expect them to.
Or Wembley Stadium. ie One football pitch.
Or - I suppose - ten or twenty 100k-person demonstrations by the SWP.
Alas, since Germanwings and the 737 incidents, these figures no longer hold true. But it did shock people into realizing just how bad the situation is in hospitals.
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I'd have chain gangs picking up the litter.1
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My avoiding fish comment was merely because the documentary explores how it's very difficult to know as a consumer if your fish was healthy or sustainable regardless of whether it has something like the MSC badge. Now maybe that will be debunked but capitalism relies on being able to make informed decisions as a consumer of where to spend my money.Luckyguy1983 said:
Actually, I'm all for making changes to our buying habits to ensure we only eat healthy animals and healthy animal products.Gallowgate said:
You make statements like "against all medical advice" like they are fact. But they aren't.Luckyguy1983 said:
I can understand you not wanting a row - I don't want one either. But either there are verifiable facts indicating that we should (against all medical advice) eat less fish, or there aren't.Gallowgate said:
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
I know you have very strong views about the positives of eating animals and I too eat animals. But that doesn't mean there are not negatives about eating animals - especially animals who are unhealthy and/or farmed unsustainably.
The vegan propaganda documentary explores how the sustainable fishing badge you find on fish is basically worthless and that farmed fish is unhealthy and unsustainable itself due to the amount of (wild caught) fish required for feed.
Maybe that will be debunked. We will see.
I have no doubt that eating wild healthy salmon is good for you. Do I have doubts that eating farmed unhealthy salmon is good for you? Yes.
I agree completely that a lot of the meat we eat isn't as healthy as it should be. You can't breed an unhealthy creature and expect it to be healthy to eat - if it isn't 'nourished', it won't be 'nourishing'. That's not well-meaning hokum, it's just simple fact - if a vitamin or mineral is not fed to the animal, it won't be as present in the meat.
So I don't think I'd have an issue with the doc, though I would regard excluding fish from the diet to be a major case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I would start from the perspective of animals and their products being of proven value to the diet, so how do we ensure that those animals are healthy and nourished, for their benefit and ours.
As an avid salmon eater, claims that Scottish salmon farmers dye their salmon to make it lovely and red instead of grey, due to unhealthiness, shocked me. I don't know how to protect myself against this as a consumer, so it's better for me to eat less.0 -
A few years ago Michael Gove said such an idea was utterly nonsensical.Luckyguy1983 said:I'd have chain gangs picking up the litter.
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But it's world leaders.Floater said:
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I know the German's have a reputation for wanting to get the towels down early by the pool, but March for the summer hols seems a bit keen even by their standards.Andy_JS said:
twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1376888957183668224CarlottaVance said:This'll end well:
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I'd give people who litter a community service sentence - picking up litter. Same with people letting their dogs crap on the pavements. I don't see the harm. I think if you spent a month picking it up, you wouldn't do it again.Floater said:
I was walking by a country park in Colchester at the weekend and was appalled by the amount of rubbish I could see.Leon said:
It's definitely got worse. Some places look like the 3rd world.Casino_Royale said:
True, but it seems to have got worse in the last 5-10 years? Particularly the last year, although that may be due to Covid.Andy_JS said:
This isn't a new problem.Casino_Royale said:
Why is it with young people today and rubbish?TheScreamingEagles said:This is why we can't have nice things quicker than planned.
https://twitter.com/BBCNottingham/status/1376839766151413761
I expect this why the government and the voters expect Covid-19 numbers to rise.
How many of those there would be the first to virtue-signal on social media about plastic in the oceans and a clean environment yet in reality drop litter wherever they please?
A new national campaign is needed. I went for a beautiful country walk this morning and litter was EVERYWHERE.
I went for a drive in Essex a fortnight back and for 20 miles of dual carriageway there was litter on both sides all the way. Gross. Parts of London are now notably cleaner than the countryside/suburbs
Yes we need a national campaign
I did see a single volunteer doing his best to pick up said rubbish though - much respect to the gent.
Also one of our councillors goes out litter picking and organises community days to pick the stuff up - mind you he likes to share pics when he does it1 -
Yep, we generally eat seafood around twice a week, but avoid larger fish. Tuna is the exception, and that is about once or twice per month only.Philip_Thompson said:
Though even then if you stick with seafood like salmon, oysters, prawns etc there's very little risk. Sharks etc it is much more.TimT said:Philip_Thompson said:
Nutrition wise seafood is very good for you. I doubt many credibly disagree with that.Gallowgate said:
I know what your views are on nutrition and I must admit that I don't agree with you. So let's agree to disagree.Luckyguy1983 said:
Unless you can convey a really great reason why in a couple of sentences, I can pretty confidently say that reducing your intake of fish would be a *very* bad thing to do.Gallowgate said:One last thing on Fishspiracy. Even I think the presenter/producer is a self-righteous tit so @Casino_Royale would probably think he's the worst person on earth.
The documentary is shocking though. It's worth a watch regardless on your views on veganism. I'm not a vegan, for example, but I'm certainly going to reduce my fish intake.
Except the heavy metal poisoning if you eat too much meat from larger, older fish. Metals such as mercury accumulate in the fish (and the human eating the fish) over time.
Mediterranean diets with plenty of seafood are really good for you - and that typically involves eating all sorts of seafood not just large fish. I prefer crustaceans over fish.
Chilean sea bass (patagonian toothfish) and octopus are off the menu for other reasons.0 -
I've often thought that criminals could be used to pick up litter, because it would be a win-win situation. They'd get a few hours outside prison in the fresh air, which must be better than being stuck in a cell most of the day, and the public would get the litter cleared up. The problem is some influential people in Hampstead, Bristol and Brighton would complain about it being "humiliating" for the prisoners to do this in full view of the public, and it wouldn't happen.Luckyguy1983 said:I'd have chain gangs picking up the litter.
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