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A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
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Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?4 -
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The Evening Standard do this from time to time to remind any wavering Londoners that they must be mad to move into Non-London. Have an occasional weekend away at Glastonbury or the Leeds Festival but thats it .Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?0 -
Indeed, as others have posted, there's something very strange and, indeed, disturbing happening. I really don't see, assuming all the evidence is in the public domain, why the AZ vaccine is being treated this way.Andy_JS said:
Since I started taking an interest in current affairs, what's going on in Europe with the AZ vaccine is the single-most astounding development. It's difficult to to believe it.Taz said:
Indeed, it could easily be either and while this goes on cases sky rocket in the EU and it is costing people their lives. People are dying as a consequence. It’s insane.Sandpit said:
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it is definitely starting to look like the AZ vaccine is being singled out for criticism.Floater said:
Whether it’s the EU hating something immediately successful and British, ‘Big Pharma’ lobbyists hating the idea that billions of vaccines made on a non-profit basis hurt their bottom lines, or some other reason, is left for the reader to conclude themselves.
And don't tell me it's 'politics'; there's definitely something else going on.1 -
Stupid as reactions to the AZ vaccine are, it does rather debunk the nonsense that "had we been inside the EU we'd have had to do what the EU tell us to".
Yes, which is why Italy is arresting the vaccine and Belgium/Sweden are full speed ahead with sticking it in arms.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
F1: Hamilton's odds for winning Bahrain now out to 2.6, Verstappen still 2.62, Perez down as well.
Seems some really do think Red Bull could have the best car.2 -
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?2 -
Given the mortality in that age group and the way deaths are counted that is probably about as low as it can be reasonably expected to go.DougSeal said:0 -
Exactly.RochdalePioneers said:Stupid as reactions to the AZ vaccine are, it does rather debunk the nonsense that "had we been inside the EU we'd have had to do what the EU tell us to".
Yes, which is why Italy is arresting the vaccine and Belgium/Sweden are full speed ahead with sticking it in arms.
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and over 90's tend to be rather good at dying . that's why there are not many cards the Queen has to write for 100th birthdays. To be frank , if we are obsessing about covid-19 still because some 90 year olds die with it then we are neglecting the rest of society especially the youngDavidL said:
Given the mortality in that age group and the way deaths are counted that is probably about as low as it can be reasonably expected to go.DougSeal said:1 -
With apologies for a Scottish newspaper link to a Manchester story: http://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/19162548.stagecoach-launches-bid-halt-bus-franchising-manchester/?ref=appshr
Andy Burnham wants to regain control over Greater Manchester bus services - timetables, frequency, fares. Stagecoach are objecting, which considering their near monopoly in southern Manchester for 25 years isn't a surprise.
Bus deregulation has in so many places led to private monopolies where the operator can do what they like with no option from local authorities to do anything about it. Labour could have changed this in government but decided not to.0 -
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Yet the irony is that almost all of the problems she finds - the second homes, the noisy holiday lets and raucous weekend events, the lack of children in the local school - are because the Cotswolds is now pretend countryside for Londerners.state_go_away said:
The Evening Standard do this from time to time to remind any wavering Londoners that they must be mad to move into Non-London. Have an occasional weekend away at Glastonbury or the Leeds Festival but thats it .Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?2 -
The head of the Italian regulators said overnight that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend it was “political”alex_ said:
Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ2 -
to be fair, it has been 11 years since the last Labour government.....RochdalePioneers said:With apologies for a Scottish newspaper link to a Manchester story: http://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/19162548.stagecoach-launches-bid-halt-bus-franchising-manchester/?ref=appshr
Andy Burnham wants to regain control over Greater Manchester bus services - timetables, frequency, fares. Stagecoach are objecting, which considering their near monopoly in southern Manchester for 25 years isn't a surprise.
Bus deregulation has in so many places led to private monopolies where the operator can do what they like with no option from local authorities to do anything about it. Labour could have changed this in government but decided not to.0 -
Slightly surprising that he hadn't been a policeman for very long, either.DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?0 -
Don't forget these classics:Endillion said:
BattleshipLuckyguy1983 said:
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
3 Jumanji films
All the Saw films (kind of; he keeps saying he wants to play a game)
Wreck-it Ralph
Ender's Game
World of Warcraft
The Pokemon Movie
TRON
- Assassin's Creed
- Street Fighter
- Mortal Kombat
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Super Mario Bros
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I’ll be backing Lewis and Valtteri, if Max goes favourite before the qualifying session - when we see the true pace of the cars for the first time.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
F1: Hamilton's odds for winning Bahrain now out to 2.6, Verstappen still 2.62, Perez down as well.
Seems some really do think Red Bull could have the best car.0 -
It's mixed. The stupid row with UvdL about the contract and deliveries certainly seems to have started difficulties between AZ and the EU countries, the delays by the EMA were not helpful and again seemed to sew the seeds of suspicion and the nonsense about age restrictions seems to have started there but the harvest of full on nuttery does seem to be country driven. The EMA will hopefully hold the line today and start to restore some sanity.Scott_xP said:
Exactly.RochdalePioneers said:Stupid as reactions to the AZ vaccine are, it does rather debunk the nonsense that "had we been inside the EU we'd have had to do what the EU tell us to".
Yes, which is why Italy is arresting the vaccine and Belgium/Sweden are full speed ahead with sticking it in arms.
This may be a Europe problem, but it's not an EU problem, despite the protestations of the Brexiteers5 -
The EU, turning into Violet Elizabeth Bott before your very eyes.OldKingCole said:
Indeed, as others have posted, there's something very strange and, indeed, disturbing happening. I really don't see, assuming all the evidence is in the public domain, why the AZ vaccine is being treated this way.Andy_JS said:
Since I started taking an interest in current affairs, what's going on in Europe with the AZ vaccine is the single-most astounding development. It's difficult to to believe it.Taz said:
Indeed, it could easily be either and while this goes on cases sky rocket in the EU and it is costing people their lives. People are dying as a consequence. It’s insane.Sandpit said:
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it is definitely starting to look like the AZ vaccine is being singled out for criticism.Floater said:
Whether it’s the EU hating something immediately successful and British, ‘Big Pharma’ lobbyists hating the idea that billions of vaccines made on a non-profit basis hurt their bottom lines, or some other reason, is left for the reader to conclude themselves.
And don't tell me it's 'politics'; there's definitely something else going on.
(Does anyone know what the difference is between "very eyes" and "eyes"? Other than making it sound like you've stepped out a time machine invented in the Edwardian era?)0 -
https://twitter.com/ReutersUK/status/1371719871487213568?s=20Charles said:
The head of the Italian regulators said overnight that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend it was “political”alex_ said:
Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ1 -
The invoking of Article 16 on the NI border, without talking to RoI first, was most definitely an EU problem.DavidL said:
It's mixed. The stupid row with UvdL about the contract and deliveries certainly seems to have started difficulties between AZ and the EU countries, the delays by the EMA were not helpful and again seemed to sew the seeds of suspicion and the nonsense about age restrictions seems to have started there but the harvest of full on nuttery does seem to be country driven. The EMA will hopefully hold the line today and start to restore some sanity.Scott_xP said:
Exactly.RochdalePioneers said:Stupid as reactions to the AZ vaccine are, it does rather debunk the nonsense that "had we been inside the EU we'd have had to do what the EU tell us to".
Yes, which is why Italy is arresting the vaccine and Belgium/Sweden are full speed ahead with sticking it in arms.
This may be a Europe problem, but it's not an EU problem, despite the protestations of the Brexiteers2 -
Just possibly, of course, there's a widespread lack of trust in us, the British.Charles said:
The head of the Italian regulators said overnight that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend it was “political”alex_ said:
Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ0 -
Why are we commenting on this when presumably there's going to be a court case?DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?1 -
Military background? Maybe even special forces?OldKingCole said:
Slightly surprising that he hadn't been a policeman for very long, either.DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?0 -
Mr. Sandpit, with each way between just top 2 (with Ladbrokes) I'm not sure Bottas is value. Of the Mercedes/Red Bull drivers he's probably the weakest.0
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has the EU said blood clots though?MarqueeMark said:
just as once the seeds of doubt were planted in AZ by their botched trials many delusional people start seeing anything that happens in the vicinity of AZ as being caused by AZ, there are so many posters on here who are so addicted to the paranoid delusional politics of grievance that they need to see EU anti-British plots everywhere.1 -
And the Swedes? It's an Anglo-Swedish company.OldKingCole said:
Just possibly, of course, there's a widespread lack of trust in us, the British.Charles said:
The head of the Italian regulators said overnight that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend it was “political”alex_ said:
Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ0 -
I am not an English lawyer but my understanding is that the reporting restrictions do not apply until he is brought before the court. Happy to be corrected.Andy_JS said:
Why are we commenting on this when presumably there's going to be a court case?DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?0 -
Thought he worked in a garage. But he lived in Deal, so you could be right. But AndyJS is right, so we'd probably best not speculate too much, if at all.DavidL said:
Military background? Maybe even special forces?OldKingCole said:
Slightly surprising that he hadn't been a policeman for very long, either.DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?0 -
He worked as a mechanic in the family garage, until it shut down and he joined the police. His only military training was as a member of the TA; hardly special forces.DavidL said:
Military background? Maybe even special forces?OldKingCole said:
Slightly surprising that he hadn't been a policeman for very long, either.DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?0 -
Indeed! But the Tories aren't going to abolish private monopolies that makes lives more difficult for poor people in favour of private sector profits. Labour could and should have changed the system.swing_voter said:
to be fair, it has been 11 years since the last Labour government.....RochdalePioneers said:With apologies for a Scottish newspaper link to a Manchester story: http://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/19162548.stagecoach-launches-bid-halt-bus-franchising-manchester/?ref=appshr
Andy Burnham wants to regain control over Greater Manchester bus services - timetables, frequency, fares. Stagecoach are objecting, which considering their near monopoly in southern Manchester for 25 years isn't a surprise.
Bus deregulation has in so many places led to private monopolies where the operator can do what they like with no option from local authorities to do anything about it. Labour could have changed this in government but decided not to.4 -
Better hope it isn't all those French who have been sent there to be looked after.....alex_ said:Bad deaths day for Belgium. 104 deaths. They haven’t seen a number remotely close to that for months. Hope it’s a correction/backfilling.
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Are there not rules/guidance limiting the parameters for the deployment of plain clothes officers? Because this sort of thing seems far removed from wherever it feels the line should be drawn. If many night clubs weren’t likely already finished off by Covid...Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
Horrible murder leads to concerns about the safety of women on their own in isolated streets at night. Authorities response: beef up undercover police presence in highly populated areas...1 -
Fair point; following the British press, does tend to give an Anglo-centric viewpoint. Anyone who reads Swedish newspapers or following the news in that country care to inform us further.DougSeal said:
And the Swedes? It's an Anglo-Swedish company.OldKingCole said:
Just possibly, of course, there's a widespread lack of trust in us, the British.Charles said:
The head of the Italian regulators said overnight that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend it was “political”alex_ said:
Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ1 -
Mr. Seal, the previous anti-AZ rhetoric coupled with the domino effect recently is likely the cause.
It's stupid. The current pause may well be more misinformation taken seriously by foolish governments, although the initial doubts were cast shamefully by an EU desperate to distract from its initially poor (and, until recently, improving) vaccine programme.
Ironically, the EU seems to have its head screwed on right, now, but national governments are falling prey to nonsense. There's no excuse whatsoever, when there's millions of vaccinations in the UK and problems would've been picked up here first.3 -
He has been reported as having a military background. Presumably more details will emerge at the trial and if he is convicted.DavidL said:
Military background? Maybe even special forces?OldKingCole said:
Slightly surprising that he hadn't been a policeman for very long, either.DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
AIUI reporting restrictions in England start from when he is charged with a crime.0 -
Then his accelerated promotion to such a post is curious. The cops are going to have some serious questions to answer about their systems. Anyone can employ a nutter but not everyone can give them a gun.IanB2 said:
He worked as a mechanic in the family garage, until it shut down and he joined the police. His only military training was as a member of the TA; hardly special forces.DavidL said:
Military background? Maybe even special forces?OldKingCole said:
Slightly surprising that he hadn't been a policeman for very long, either.DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?1 -
The EU’s contract is with the Swedish company, not the U.K. Not that you’d know it from some of the commentary....DougSeal said:
And the Swedes? It's an Anglo-Swedish company.OldKingCole said:
Just possibly, of course, there's a widespread lack of trust in us, the British.Charles said:
The head of the Italian regulators said overnight that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend it was “political”alex_ said:
Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ2 -
Yesterday was officially spring here in south Devon, as it was both the first singing Chiffchaff of the year and the first time the pipistrelle bats were out at dusk.
However, Covid case numbers across the south Hams went up by 25%.
From 4 to 5.0 -
Catching up on last night's thread.Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?
I'm sorry ... the Cotswolds are different to London?
Thought it was mainly the same people, with hills, honeystone, grass and cows. My observation, anyway.0 -
Ah, didn’t think of that.MarqueeMark said:
Better hope it isn't all those French who have been sent there to be looked after.....alex_ said:Bad deaths day for Belgium. 104 deaths. They haven’t seen a number remotely close to that for months. Hope it’s a correction/backfilling.
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Do you not think it is even remotely possible that the EU vaccine procurement debacle has directly led into this latest phase of incompetence by governments of EU member states (and their associates in the EEA?).kamski said:
has the EU said blood clots though?MarqueeMark said:
just as once the seeds of doubt were planted in AZ by their botched trials many delusional people start seeing anything that happens in the vicinity of AZ as being caused by AZ, there are so many posters on here who are so addicted to the paranoid delusional politics of grievance that they need to see EU anti-British plots everywhere.
And as I said yesterday, heads of state are as liable to fall prey to herd behaviour as anyone. All it takes is a few leading actors to caution against the vaccine’s safety and other democratic governments panic and do the same, so on the off chance there’s a problem with the vaccine they do not fail the hindsight test with voters. That they are costing lives in an opaque way will not be their concern right now, especially given supply to them is low. And because they are very short termist in their thinking, they are not considering that their “cautious” approach is actually serving to increase anti vax tendency in their countries not decrease it.
In Asia these concerns with AZN have been shrugged off, no doubt helped by the “baffled” response of British scientists to the largely European reaction.
And don’t throw South Africa at this again. That was a decision made by a cash constrained developing country based on perceived efficacy against their dominant strain, not safety.1 -
Why do YOU think only one of two vaccines in widespread use, with very similar safety profiles, has had its use suspended?kamski said:
has the EU said blood clots though?MarqueeMark said:
just as once the seeds of doubt were planted in AZ by their botched trials many delusional people start seeing anything that happens in the vicinity of AZ as being caused by AZ, there are so many posters on here who are so addicted to the paranoid delusional politics of grievance that they need to see EU anti-British plots everywhere.
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Quiz ShowLuckyguy1983 said:
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
That strange movie about kidnapping someone as a game1 -
Curiouser and curiouser.CarlottaVance said:
The EU’s contract is with the Swedish company, not the U.K. Not that you’d know it from some of the commentary....DougSeal said:
And the Swedes? It's an Anglo-Swedish company.OldKingCole said:
Just possibly, of course, there's a widespread lack of trust in us, the British.Charles said:
The head of the Italian regulators said overnight that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend it was “political”alex_ said:
Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ0 -
I think the initial poor performance of the EU administration has led to a lack of confidence in national governments in prior decisions to delegate authority upwards - and this is the reaction which has gone way too far in the other direction - to the extent that Governments are now simultaneously appealing to the EMA for clear guidance, whilst not being prepared to actually listen to what it is saying.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Seal, the previous anti-AZ rhetoric coupled with the domino effect recently is likely the cause.
It's stupid. The current pause may well be more misinformation taken seriously by foolish governments, although the initial doubts were cast shamefully by an EU desperate to distract from its initially poor (and, until recently, improving) vaccine programme.
Ironically, the EU seems to have its head screwed on right, now, but national governments are falling prey to nonsense. There's no excuse whatsoever, when there's millions of vaccinations in the UK and problems would've been picked up here first.2 -
The EU is acquiescing by silence to the madness running rampant across member states.kamski said:
has the EU said blood clots though?MarqueeMark said:
just as once the seeds of doubt were planted in AZ by their botched trials many delusional people start seeing anything that happens in the vicinity of AZ as being caused by AZ, there are so many posters on here who are so addicted to the paranoid delusional politics of grievance that they need to see EU anti-British plots everywhere.
Thailand: "Hey, there might be a problem with....actually, no there isn't. As you were."
EU " .............................................................................................. "4 -
And whose fault is that...???swing_voter said:
to be fair, it has been 11 years since the last Labour government.....RochdalePioneers said:With apologies for a Scottish newspaper link to a Manchester story: http://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/19162548.stagecoach-launches-bid-halt-bus-franchising-manchester/?ref=appshr
Andy Burnham wants to regain control over Greater Manchester bus services - timetables, frequency, fares. Stagecoach are objecting, which considering their near monopoly in southern Manchester for 25 years isn't a surprise.
Bus deregulation has in so many places led to private monopolies where the operator can do what they like with no option from local authorities to do anything about it. Labour could have changed this in government but decided not to.0 -
I think they apply from time of arrest, definitely from time of charge (which we have had). They are in force.DavidL said:
I am not an English lawyer but my understanding is that the reporting restrictions do not apply until he is brought before the court. Happy to be corrected.Andy_JS said:
Why are we commenting on this when presumably there's going to be a court case?DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
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Its been the same for several years now. Ferrari are quicker, no Red Bull, Mercedes have problems....and then the racing starts.Sandpit said:
I’ll be backing Lewis and Valtteri, if Max goes favourite before the qualifying session - when we see the true pace of the cars for the first time.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
F1: Hamilton's odds for winning Bahrain now out to 2.6, Verstappen still 2.62, Perez down as well.
Seems some really do think Red Bull could have the best car.1 -
And the indecent exposure incident, and his wife being questioned.OldKingCole said:
Slightly surprising that he hadn't been a policeman for very long, either.DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
I think a lot will come out at the trial, not much of it flattering to the police.2 -
It's one way to keep your death rates down.alex_ said:
Ah, didn’t think of that.MarqueeMark said:
Better hope it isn't all those French who have been sent there to be looked after.....alex_ said:Bad deaths day for Belgium. 104 deaths. They haven’t seen a number remotely close to that for months. Hope it’s a correction/backfilling.
"They didn't die in France, so we don't count them in French statistics."
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Without wishing to be glib, perhaps at his assessment he did not volunteer his interests in murdering young women?DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
Such assessments are just designed to filter out some obviously unsuitable candidates and remind all candidates of the responsibility of the role. If society is expecting them to magically predict future crime "Minority Report" style we are being seriously naive.1 -
In light of the advice this morning I am not commenting further.noneoftheabove said:
Without wishing to be glib, perhaps at his assessment he did not volunteer his interests in murdering young women?DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
Such assessments are just designed to filter out some obviously unsuitable candidates and remind all candidates of the responsibility of the role. If society is expecting them to magically predict future crime "Minority Report" style we are being seriously naive.0 -
IanB2 said:
Yet the irony is that almost all of the problems she finds - the second homes, the noisy holiday lets and raucous weekend events, the lack of children in the local school - are because the Cotswolds is now pretend countryside for Londerners.state_go_away said:
The Evening Standard do this from time to time to remind any wavering Londoners that they must be mad to move into Non-London. Have an occasional weekend away at Glastonbury or the Leeds Festival but thats it .Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?
Yup, she’s the problem and people like her. Awful people awful sense of entitlement.0 -
AIUI the women arrested were not holding a vigil for their friend.Sandpit said:
Rather like the police bill, there’s a strong possibility that powers intended to deal with hardline Extinction Rebellion groups deliberately shutting down major transport infrastructure, can - if not worded carefully - end up being used to arrest a small group of women, holding a vigil for their friend who was dragged off the street and murdered, allegedly by a serving police officer.kle4 said:
Very good point. When it comes to government powers, you don't take the risk. If the powers are only intended for narrow purposes, you godsdamned put it that way in the legislation. Yes, that can muck things up if you are too strict in definition, but better that you allow far too much.alex_ said:
Quite simply, you don't put Government powers in legislation that have the potential to be abused. It is depressing how often these days we hear the argument that concerns about poorly or loosely drafted legislation are overblown because theoretical scenarios are 'far-fetched', and not intended as the purpose of the legislation.CarlottaVance said:Goodness gracious- it could have been even worse!
https://twitter.com/dogdevotion/status/1371492989680357385?s=21
I suspect at the time of the drafting of Scotland Act there was a tacit assumption that no party would be able to secure a majority.
The vigil had already been concluded, and the police and a local councillor (who I think was one of the four original organisers), had asked the crowd to disperse.
A section of the crowd refused to do so, and arrests were made when the police eventually moved in to clear the bandstand an hour or more after the vigil concluded.0 -
So "the EU" hasn't said "blood clots", but most of your posts are just crap you've made up, so par for the course.MarqueeMark said:
The EU is acquiescing by silence to the madness running rampant across member states.kamski said:
has the EU said blood clots though?MarqueeMark said:
just as once the seeds of doubt were planted in AZ by their botched trials many delusional people start seeing anything that happens in the vicinity of AZ as being caused by AZ, there are so many posters on here who are so addicted to the paranoid delusional politics of grievance that they need to see EU anti-British plots everywhere.
Thailand: "Hey, there might be a problem with....actually, no there isn't. As you were."
EU " .............................................................................................. "
The EMA, which is surely the relevant EU body has actually said that vaccinations should continue.1 -
Yes, we shouldn't really talk about it other than possibly in the generality.IshmaelZ said:
I think they apply from time of arrest, definitely from time of charge (which we have had). They are in force.DavidL said:
I am not an English lawyer but my understanding is that the reporting restrictions do not apply until he is brought before the court. Happy to be corrected.Andy_JS said:
Why are we commenting on this when presumably there's going to be a court case?DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
It's the general response that amazes me, which seems completely at odds with the specifics of what may have happened. Widespread use of undercover officers with a mandate to seek out alleged but non specific criminal harrassment, is not the same as providing reassurance through the increase in a uniformed police presence in situations where people feel unsafe. The latter is a measure to increase public confidence. The former is a measure destined to feed public suspicion. The difference between a police and a secret police.
Maybe the reporting restrictions are in this case feeding the strangeness of and lack of sensible comment on the response. It suits the Government (in causing problems about public speculation on the court case) that the debate has moved on.2 -
And it is being largely ignoredkamski said:
So "the EU" hasn't said "blood clots", but most of your posts are just crap you've made up, so par for the course.MarqueeMark said:
The EU is acquiescing by silence to the madness running rampant across member states.kamski said:
has the EU said blood clots though?MarqueeMark said:
just as once the seeds of doubt were planted in AZ by their botched trials many delusional people start seeing anything that happens in the vicinity of AZ as being caused by AZ, there are so many posters on here who are so addicted to the paranoid delusional politics of grievance that they need to see EU anti-British plots everywhere.
Thailand: "Hey, there might be a problem with....actually, no there isn't. As you were."
EU " .............................................................................................. "
The EMA, which is surely the relevant EU body has actually said that vaccinations should continue.
Its the politics, Brecht's Die Losung once again1 -
Oh indeed. Testing is just testing, no-one is even scrutineering the cars.DavidL said:
Its been the same for several years now. Ferrari are quicker, no Red Bull, Mercedes have problems....and then the racing starts.Sandpit said:
I’ll be backing Lewis and Valtteri, if Max goes favourite before the qualifying session - when we see the true pace of the cars for the first time.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
F1: Hamilton's odds for winning Bahrain now out to 2.6, Verstappen still 2.62, Perez down as well.
Seems some really do think Red Bull could have the best car.
For all we know, they could have the fuel flow meters removed, be 20kg underweight and taking a shortcut at the first corner.
There’s photographic evidence of Tsunoda’s fastest lap having the DRS open about 400 yards before it will be allowed in the race, to give just one example.
We shall see the running order of the cars at the end of the qualifying session for the first event, not before! Which gives some good betting opportunities, for those who over react to watching the timing screen at test sessions.1 -
The chance of picking up a crime this way is approaching zero, much as is the chance of a Bobby on the beat interrupting a burglar in the act.alex_ said:
Are there not rules/guidance limiting the parameters for the deployment of plain clothes officers? Because this sort of thing seems far removed from wherever it feels the line should be drawn. If many night clubs weren’t likely already finished off by Covid...Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
Horrible murder leads to concerns about the safety of women on their own in isolated streets at night. Authorities response: beef up undercover police presence in highly populated areas...
It also does nothing for the lower level misbehaviour that makes for such discomfort for so many women.
Intelligence led policing, swifter prosecutions, changes in rules of evidence, swifter searching of phones etc are all worth talking about, but are all rather after the fact.0 -
The Game - 1997, starring Michael Douglas.Charles said:
Quiz ShowLuckyguy1983 said:
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
That strange movie about kidnapping someone as a game3 -
I don't know - if the plain clothes policemen are all attractive women...Foxy said:
The chance of picking up a crime this way is approaching zero, much as is the chance of a Bobby on the beat interrupting a burglar in the act.alex_ said:
Are there not rules/guidance limiting the parameters for the deployment of plain clothes officers? Because this sort of thing seems far removed from wherever it feels the line should be drawn. If many night clubs weren’t likely already finished off by Covid...Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
Horrible murder leads to concerns about the safety of women on their own in isolated streets at night. Authorities response: beef up undercover police presence in highly populated areas...
It also does nothing for the lower level misbehaviour that makes for such discomfort for so many women.
SNIP
... could initially lead to a large amount of "crime" detection, followed by a swift perception that you are taking a risk talking to any strange women in clubs!1 -
Running man.Sandpit said:
The Game - 1997, starring Michael Douglas.Charles said:
Quiz ShowLuckyguy1983 said:
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
That strange movie about kidnapping someone as a game1 -
The madness there was more not doing enough due diligence - depending on one school, location of the house (far too close to neighbours), no due diligence on ownership of nearby properties etc etcdixiedean said:
If she wanted to truly get away from London then perhaps the Cotswolds, full of Londoners commuting, and people who wanted to get away from London wasn't the ideal choice?Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?
Maybe commuting to London 4 days a week wasn't either?
Just a couple of thoughts.
If you don't know an area, just buying is a bit mad. I would have gone for rent out the house in Kingston and use the proceeds to rent.0 -
So why is nobody in the EU pointing to the EMA and saying "This. Now get back to jabbing."?kamski said:
So "the EU" hasn't said "blood clots", but most of your posts are just crap you've made up, so par for the course.MarqueeMark said:
The EU is acquiescing by silence to the madness running rampant across member states.kamski said:
has the EU said blood clots though?MarqueeMark said:
just as once the seeds of doubt were planted in AZ by their botched trials many delusional people start seeing anything that happens in the vicinity of AZ as being caused by AZ, there are so many posters on here who are so addicted to the paranoid delusional politics of grievance that they need to see EU anti-British plots everywhere.
Thailand: "Hey, there might be a problem with....actually, no there isn't. As you were."
EU " .............................................................................................. "
The EMA, which is surely the relevant EU body has actually said that vaccinations should continue.
It's because there's ANOTHER FUCKING AGENDA. Their initial mis-steps are being compounded by every next step they take. Just have the human decency, UvdL, to go in front of the media and say "So we go to it wrong on the AZ thing. It's actually great. It will save lots of lives across the EU." Instead, her actions are governed by not ever admitting failings in an EU system.
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Procurement was mishandled by the EUScott_xP said:
Exactly.RochdalePioneers said:Stupid as reactions to the AZ vaccine are, it does rather debunk the nonsense that "had we been inside the EU we'd have had to do what the EU tell us to".
Yes, which is why Italy is arresting the vaccine and Belgium/Sweden are full speed ahead with sticking it in arms.
This may be a Europe problem, but it's not an EU problem, despite the protestations of the Brexiteers
But the issue of behaviour is that our politicians lack the cojones not to follow the herd2 -
A while ago now but I actually had sexual crime as a subject during forensic psychology classes.
There were four categories, ranging from opportunistic to the (thankfully rare) very careful planner for whom the sex was less important than the sadism. From fuzzy memory, opportunists were by far the most common. Plus side of that is that people can take steps against it (in a group, have a pair stay sober and keep an eye on others, for example).0 -
The London centric dead tree media is obsessed right now with trying to boost London house prices with this sort of fluff. There’s also a total sense of denial about how profound a change in working practices we’ve seen take place, that is unlikely to reverse to the levels they’d like.Malmesbury said:
The madness there was more not doing enough due diligence - depending on one school, location of the house (far too close to neighbours), no due diligence on ownership of nearby properties etc etcdixiedean said:
If she wanted to truly get away from London then perhaps the Cotswolds, full of Londoners commuting, and people who wanted to get away from London wasn't the ideal choice?Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?
Maybe commuting to London 4 days a week wasn't either?
Just a couple of thoughts.
If you don't know an area, just buying is a bit mad. I would have gone for rent out the house in Kingston and use the proceeds to rent.1 -
Talking is not a crime.alex_ said:
I don't know - if the plain clothes policemen are all attractive women...Foxy said:
The chance of picking up a crime this way is approaching zero, much as is the chance of a Bobby on the beat interrupting a burglar in the act.alex_ said:
Are there not rules/guidance limiting the parameters for the deployment of plain clothes officers? Because this sort of thing seems far removed from wherever it feels the line should be drawn. If many night clubs weren’t likely already finished off by Covid...Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
Horrible murder leads to concerns about the safety of women on their own in isolated streets at night. Authorities response: beef up undercover police presence in highly populated areas...
It also does nothing for the lower level misbehaviour that makes for such discomfort for so many women.
SNIP
... could initially lead to a large amount of "crime" detection, followed by a swift perception that you are taking a risk talking to any strange women in clubs!
Uninvited, unwanted groping etc is not "talking"0 -
There are some glossy brochures about for new houses being, or shortly to be, built in our area; 3/4 beds, high standard, upwards of £500k. Desirable rural area, quaint ancient pubs. It all sounds delightful, if somewhat pricey.Malmesbury said:
The madness there was more not doing enough due diligence - depending on one school, location of the house (far too close to neighbours), no due diligence on ownership of nearby properties etc etcdixiedean said:
If she wanted to truly get away from London then perhaps the Cotswolds, full of Londoners commuting, and people who wanted to get away from London wasn't the ideal choice?Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?
Maybe commuting to London 4 days a week wasn't either?
Just a couple of thoughts.
If you don't know an area, just buying is a bit mad. I would have gone for rent out the house in Kingston and use the proceeds to rent.
Surgery can't take any more patients though, and the schools are full.
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German doctors saying move will screw up vaccine programmeMarqueeMark said:
So why is nobody in the EU pointing to the EMA and saying "This. Now get back to jabbing."?kamski said:
So "the EU" hasn't said "blood clots", but most of your posts are just crap you've made up, so par for the course.MarqueeMark said:
The EU is acquiescing by silence to the madness running rampant across member states.kamski said:
has the EU said blood clots though?MarqueeMark said:
just as once the seeds of doubt were planted in AZ by their botched trials many delusional people start seeing anything that happens in the vicinity of AZ as being caused by AZ, there are so many posters on here who are so addicted to the paranoid delusional politics of grievance that they need to see EU anti-British plots everywhere.
Thailand: "Hey, there might be a problem with....actually, no there isn't. As you were."
EU " .............................................................................................. "
The EMA, which is surely the relevant EU body has actually said that vaccinations should continue.
It's because there's ANOTHER FUCKING AGENDA. Their initial mis-steps are being compounded by every next step they take. Just have the human decency, UvdL, to go in front of the media and say "So we go to it wrong on the AZ thing. It's actually great. It will save lots of lives across the EU." Instead, her actions are governed by not ever admitting failings in an EU system.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article228405411/Impfgipfel-nach-AstraZeneca-Stopp-verschoben-Mediziner-kritisieren-Aussetzen.html1 -
I’m sorry but that is a fucking stupid answer. Even being a Europhile doesn’t justify that attitude from you, especially given your historical training. AstraZeneca’s vaccine is effective. AstraZeneca’s vaccine is safe. People will die if they don’t take it.OldKingCole said:
Just possibly, of course, there's a widespread lack of trust in us, the British.Charles said:
The head of the Italian regulators said overnight that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend it was “political”alex_ said:
Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ
There is no way to justify the bullshit from the European politicians8 -
Merkel and Macron - not following the scienceCharles said:
Procurement was mishandled by the EUScott_xP said:
Exactly.RochdalePioneers said:Stupid as reactions to the AZ vaccine are, it does rather debunk the nonsense that "had we been inside the EU we'd have had to do what the EU tell us to".
Yes, which is why Italy is arresting the vaccine and Belgium/Sweden are full speed ahead with sticking it in arms.
This may be a Europe problem, but it's not an EU problem, despite the protestations of the Brexiteers
But the issue of behaviour is that our politicians lack the cojones not to follow the herd
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War Games (1983)?Sandpit said:
The Game - 1997, starring Michael Douglas.Charles said:
Quiz ShowLuckyguy1983 said:
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
That strange movie about kidnapping someone as a game0 -
He was CNC (nuclear fuzz) before the Met so he was already very familiar with firearms. He was probably driven mad by a posting to Hartlepool power station.DavidL said:
Then his accelerated promotion to such a post is curious. The cops are going to have some serious questions to answer about their systems. Anyone can employ a nutter but not everyone can give them a gun.IanB2 said:
He worked as a mechanic in the family garage, until it shut down and he joined the police. His only military training was as a member of the TA; hardly special forces.DavidL said:
Military background? Maybe even special forces?OldKingCole said:
Slightly surprising that he hadn't been a policeman for very long, either.DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?0 -
OKC, sure they said they were searching a building which had been "family" garage", so maybe he was not involved in it.OldKingCole said:
Thought he worked in a garage. But he lived in Deal, so you could be right. But AndyJS is right, so we'd probably best not speculate too much, if at all.DavidL said:
Military background? Maybe even special forces?OldKingCole said:
Slightly surprising that he hadn't been a policeman for very long, either.DavidL said:
It has been remarkable since day 1 that so little attention has been given to that. This wasn't just a serving police officer, this was someone who had been psychologically assessed as suitable to carry a concealed firearm. I mean, WTF?Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?0 -
It’s not in the EU’s interests to intervene. They need the European governments to be proven to be as useless as they are otherwise there could be a roll back of power to the nation states...MarqueeMark said:
The EU is acquiescing by silence to the madness running rampant across member states.kamski said:
has the EU said blood clots though?MarqueeMark said:
just as once the seeds of doubt were planted in AZ by their botched trials many delusional people start seeing anything that happens in the vicinity of AZ as being caused by AZ, there are so many posters on here who are so addicted to the paranoid delusional politics of grievance that they need to see EU anti-British plots everywhere.
Thailand: "Hey, there might be a problem with....actually, no there isn't. As you were."
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I see people still trying to defend the indefensible
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Following the talk of deepfakes recently. Seriously WTF for this one?
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/13707551739083694090 -
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I was partially jesting. But, nevertheless, I said "perception". If people are unsure where the boundaries lie, then most make sure they don't go anywhere near the boundaries. Especially if you could be engaging directly with a police officer. You say "talking" isn't a crime. These days one gets the impression, perhaps erroneous, that often depends on what is said, and how it is interpreted by the person it is said to (or even by a third person in earshot). At least to the extent that it might trigger initial police action and investigation - even if ultimately not reaching a standard acceptable to the courts.Philip_Thompson said:
Talking is not a crime.alex_ said:
I don't know - if the plain clothes policemen are all attractive women...Foxy said:
The chance of picking up a crime this way is approaching zero, much as is the chance of a Bobby on the beat interrupting a burglar in the act.alex_ said:
Are there not rules/guidance limiting the parameters for the deployment of plain clothes officers? Because this sort of thing seems far removed from wherever it feels the line should be drawn. If many night clubs weren’t likely already finished off by Covid...Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
Horrible murder leads to concerns about the safety of women on their own in isolated streets at night. Authorities response: beef up undercover police presence in highly populated areas...
It also does nothing for the lower level misbehaviour that makes for such discomfort for so many women.
SNIP
... could initially lead to a large amount of "crime" detection, followed by a swift perception that you are taking a risk talking to any strange women in clubs!
Uninvited, unwanted groping etc is not "talking"
Yesterday you were arguing strongly against police over-reaction to protesters and misusing their powers to enforce their interpretation of the law. Why can not the same ability to misinterpret the law not occur in other areas.
The issue with misinterpretation in a lot of police activity is that nothing ever has to ultimately go anywhere near the courts. The police have wide powers to, in effect, interfere with lawful activity on the grounds of their 'reasonable suspicion'. That this suspicion may be unjustified doesn't change that.
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Role of Sage to be reviewed over fears scientists hold too much power
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/15/role-sage-reviewed-fears-scientists-hold-much-power/0 -
Maybe not. Note she says "near" Kingston, for some reason, not "in" Kingston. That's usually code for "in a shitty part of town that I don't want to admit to living in".Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum.
£1m would be my guess, and there may have been a big mortgage on it.
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Mr. Floater, the apparently exponential rise of cases in Germany coupled with suspending usage of a completely safe vaccine (with literally millions of data points just across the water) beggars belief.
It's deranged.2 -
If there is one thing you can be assured of in a pandemic it is exponential growth or decay.Floater said:1 -
Great line "if building confidence is your goal, bringing in a raft of suspensions based on far from conclusive data may be...quasi ineffective"CarlottaVance said:1 -
There is that - but Mercedes, even if they were sandbagging, would hardly do so by sabotaging their gearbox and then unbalancing their car. They appear to have genuinely started off on the back foot.Sandpit said:
Oh indeed. Testing is just testing, no-one is even scrutineering the cars.DavidL said:
Its been the same for several years now. Ferrari are quicker, no Red Bull, Mercedes have problems....and then the racing starts.Sandpit said:
I’ll be backing Lewis and Valtteri, if Max goes favourite before the qualifying session - when we see the true pace of the cars for the first time.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
F1: Hamilton's odds for winning Bahrain now out to 2.6, Verstappen still 2.62, Perez down as well.
Seems some really do think Red Bull could have the best car.
For all we know, they could have the fuel flow meters removed, be 20kg underweight and taking a shortcut at the first corner.
There’s photographic evidence of Tsunoda’s fastest lap having the DRS open about 400 yards before it will be allowed in the race, to give just one example.
We shall see the running order of the cars at the end of the qualifying session for the first event, not before! Which gives some good betting opportunities, for those who over react to watching the timing screen at test sessions.1 -
I've rarely, if ever, sworn or used foul language when responding to a post. I've probably used the 'abbreviation' K'nell but that's all. I thought better of you.Charles said:
I’m sorry but that is a fucking stupid answer. Even being a Europhile doesn’t justify that attitude from you, especially given your historical training. AstraZeneca’s vaccine is effective. AstraZeneca’s vaccine is safe. People will die if they don’t take it.OldKingCole said:
Just possibly, of course, there's a widespread lack of trust in us, the British.Charles said:
The head of the Italian regulators said overnight that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and the decision to suspend it was “political”alex_ said:
Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ
There is no way to justify the bullshit from the European politicians
And on the point I have no doubts whatsoever about the safety of the vaccine; indeed my wife had it, and is waiting for her second dose. And I agree that it's foolish in the extreme to refuse it. I was simply trying to offer an explanation, there being few if any rational ones..
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It’s also not clear that they owned the whole house. Talk of living below people etc.Fishing said:
Maybe not. Note she says "near" Kingston, for some reason, not "in" Kingston. That's usually code for "in a shitty part of town that I don't want to admit to living in".Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum.
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I once was involved in the prosecution of a chap who was being done for being concerned in the supply at a music festival. His evidence, which seemed highly credible for a change, was that he was approached by a very pretty undercover cop who asked him for some drugs so they could relax together. He went and got some and was then nicked.alex_ said:
I don't know - if the plain clothes policemen are all attractive women...Foxy said:
The chance of picking up a crime this way is approaching zero, much as is the chance of a Bobby on the beat interrupting a burglar in the act.alex_ said:
Are there not rules/guidance limiting the parameters for the deployment of plain clothes officers? Because this sort of thing seems far removed from wherever it feels the line should be drawn. If many night clubs weren’t likely already finished off by Covid...Sandpit said:
Glad I’m not the only one utterly confused by the way this story is playing out.Scott_xP said:A young woman was allegedly kidnapped and murdered by an off duty police officer.
What is the response?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1371714383387185157
Shouldn’t we primarily be asking, how the hell someone so mentally unstable was allowed to hold a warrant card and a firearm in the first place?
Horrible murder leads to concerns about the safety of women on their own in isolated streets at night. Authorities response: beef up undercover police presence in highly populated areas...
It also does nothing for the lower level misbehaviour that makes for such discomfort for so many women.
SNIP
... could initially lead to a large amount of "crime" detection, followed by a swift perception that you are taking a risk talking to any strange women in clubs!
He was acquitted due to entrapment I am pleased to confirm.3 -
[Google translate]
Germany's decision to suspend the AstraZeneca anti-Covid vaccine at midday on Monday March 15 "caught the French government by surprise" , franceinfo learned from several government sources. According to the latter, the two countries had agreed to wait for an opinion from the European Medicines Agency before any possible suspension.
Faced with the German decision, "our main European partner" , France could not therefore remain isolated and continue vaccination, said these sources.
Emmanuel Macron announced at a press conference in Montauban the decision to "suspend as a precaution" the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine , pending an opinion from the European drug authority. The Head of State said "hope to resume soon" vaccination with this serum, "if the opinion of the European authority allows" . Several other European countries have also decided to suspend the use of this vaccine.
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-la-france-a-ete-prise-de-court-par-la-decision-allemande_4334317.html
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Meanwhile, the unnecessary deaths pile up at the gates of the Élysée Palace.....CarlottaVance said:0 -
Bridge over the River Kwai....Sandpit said:
The Game - 1997, starring Michael Douglas.Charles said:
Quiz ShowLuckyguy1983 said:
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
That strange movie about kidnapping someone as a game0
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