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Goodness gracious- it could have been even worse!
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That's British exceptionalism. We weren't first - surely the pioneers in this were Italy and Berlusconi.Leon said:
There seems to be a Law of the 21st Century, that every major western nation has to completely humiliate itself, in some peculiar way, one by one.
First it was Britain (yay, still pioneering!). We did Brexit, and- even as a Leaver, I admit we did it BADLY. Cartoonishly bad. Article 50 did not help - it was designed to hinder - but from Raab saying "I did not realise Dover was an important port" to David "I see only upsides to Brexit" Davis to John Redwood saying "we can make our own jet planes!" to any number of daily mortifications provided by Theresa May and friends, we were humiliated.
Then the Americans got jealous of us hogging the limelight and trumped us, with, well, Trump. Even MORE insane. Far more surreal. Beyond description at some points. An actual lunatic leading the most powerful nation on earth, and, a deeply embarrassing, gross, misogynist, hapless, demented lunatic at that. Not even articulate or charming, IN ANY WAY, just fucking weird.
And yet.... it's not over.... here come France, Germany, Italy, acting like small medieval city states confronted by mysterious lepers: crucifying black dogs, hitting mandrakes with Bibles, lacerating themselves with whips as punishment for people eating things.
The Humiliation of the West, 2016-2030.
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Oh they've put in place a vaccine pause as well. Although that maybe as a consequence of the police seizure which means that any contrary action puts them all on the hook for mass murder (i'm not joking - that's how Italian prosecutors work). I doubt the police are working in concert with national government officials at all.Pulpstar said:
I think that's precisely what will happen. Why seize them rather than just giving a pause on vaccinations like everywhere else that isn't quite as bonkers as Italy ?TimT said:
I hope they are maintaining the cold chain during seizure, transport and storage. Otherwise, that is 400k does down the drain.Pulpstar said:The actions of Ireland are bad enough - but hopefully it'll be a short pause till Thursday there (That's quite bad enough).
But the Italian police seizing 400,000 vaccines. Sweet Jesus christ0 -
You mean Labour got something right with devolution?CarlottaVance said:Goodness gracious- it could have been even worse!
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And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.1 -
Or it's time to invade Englandkle4 said:
Maybe they'll go the other route taken with celestial events and regard it as a sign AZ is the messiah?Philip_Thompson said:
That is very good!Leon said:
I liked this oneRichard_Nabavi said:
https://twitter.com/matholomoo/status/1371540137356705796?s=20
This is fun. This is what it must have been like, to be non-British watching Britain making a total clownish spectacle of itself, during the worst of Brexit. Only this is more serious and therefore more blackly comic, if you are that way inclined0 -
Quite simply, you don't put Government powers in legislation that have the potential to be abused. It is depressing how often these days we hear the argument that concerns about poorly or loosely drafted legislation are overblown because theoretical scenarios are 'far-fetched', and not intended as the purpose of the legislation.CarlottaVance said:Goodness gracious- it could have been even worse!
https://twitter.com/dogdevotion/status/1371492989680357385?s=21
I suspect at the time of the drafting of Scotland Act there was a tacit assumption that no party would be able to secure a majority.3 -
So it does make sense to boost our nuclear arsenal tomorrow?TimT said:
Or it's time to invade Englandkle4 said:
Maybe they'll go the other route taken with celestial events and regard it as a sign AZ is the messiah?Philip_Thompson said:
That is very good!Leon said:
I liked this oneRichard_Nabavi said:
https://twitter.com/matholomoo/status/1371540137356705796?s=20
This is fun. This is what it must have been like, to be non-British watching Britain making a total clownish spectacle of itself, during the worst of Brexit. Only this is more serious and therefore more blackly comic, if you are that way inclined
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Time to man the beacons.TimT said:
Or it's time to invade Englandkle4 said:
Maybe they'll go the other route taken with celestial events and regard it as a sign AZ is the messiah?Philip_Thompson said:
That is very good!Leon said:
I liked this oneRichard_Nabavi said:
https://twitter.com/matholomoo/status/1371540137356705796?s=20
This is fun. This is what it must have been like, to be non-British watching Britain making a total clownish spectacle of itself, during the worst of Brexit. Only this is more serious and therefore more blackly comic, if you are that way inclined0 -
@TheScreamingEagles @MikeSmithson
What were the results when the questions in the thread header were last asked by Opinium?0 -
Bring out Dad's ArmyRobD said:
Time to man the beacons.TimT said:
Or it's time to invade Englandkle4 said:
Maybe they'll go the other route taken with celestial events and regard it as a sign AZ is the messiah?Philip_Thompson said:
That is very good!Leon said:
I liked this oneRichard_Nabavi said:
https://twitter.com/matholomoo/status/1371540137356705796?s=20
This is fun. This is what it must have been like, to be non-British watching Britain making a total clownish spectacle of itself, during the worst of Brexit. Only this is more serious and therefore more blackly comic, if you are that way inclined0 -
It'll do quite the opposite for confidence.Leon said:And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.1 -
Meanwhile, let's just keep jabbing. We can't do anything much about what happens on the continent, but we sure as hell can continue to improve things here by getting those jabs into arms.13
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As an aside, the Catholic Church is being particular weasely here.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nothing the Catholic Church likes better than a good old fashioned medieval plague. UvdL had better watch out or they might burn her as a witch.rcs1000 said:
This is Catholic Bishops Association:noneoftheabove said:
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.htmlLuckyguy1983 said:
What has the Catholic Churches 'opining' consisted of?rcs1000 said:
Yes.Luckyguy1983 said:
Is there some evidence of people avoiding the vaccine for religious reasons?noneoftheabove said:
There are several different strands to whats perceived as anti-vaxxers at the moment, some groups will quickly change their mind, others wont or will take a long time.rcs1000 said:What's scary about the crazy anti-vaxxers is the extent to which people can remain immune to facts and data. The UK is vaccinating people with AZ, and unless there's been an enormous cover up of death by clots*, then it will be sustainably CV19 free by mid-May, and with an economy getting back to normal.
You would think this would lead to people re-evaluating their beliefs: hmmmm... the UK seems to be over this CV19 thing, maybe AZ isn't killing people...
But as Toby Young has proved, once you have taken an opinion, facts won't change it in a hurry.
* I'm going for no.
Those who are holding off for these reasons will take it:
Let someone else try it first
Safety processes in an emergency should be same as in normal times even if not logical
Worried about effectiveness
These won't:
Religious
Fatalists
Covid deniers
Conspiracy therorists
During the development of the AZ vaccine, they used tissue from an aborted foetus which has led to (a) the Catholic Church opining on it, and (b) a number of crazy religious groups in the US jumping on the bandwagon on the basis the Catholic Church was not being hardline enough.
“In our current circumstances, when better options are not available, the use of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines remains a morally valid option,” the bishops wrote. “On the other hand, vaccines such as AstraZeneca-Oxford use aborted fetal lines in design, development, production and testing, and therefore are not a morally valid option because better options are available.”
What does available actually mean? Theoretically available, or actually capable of saving lives now?0 -
Lead by example and share our data. That's all we can do.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, let's just keep jabbing. We can't do anything much about what happens on the continent, but we sure as hell can continue to improve things here by getting those jabs into arms.
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I suggest everyone with an interest in Europe's vaccination problem read that Francetvinfo report.
Mind boggling.
Google translate snippets:
"Do doctors end up with vaccines in stock?
Yes, but very little. Because the luck that we have in our misfortune, in a way, is that this decision was taken the week when we were a little under tension, when we had the fewest bottles. So we have bottles, but we can keep them, we have fridges. Pharmacists are the same thing. And above all, we hope to be freed from this doubt that we may have, that we have the scientific elements that show what we already know."
Handy
and this:
"This decision is made to give patients confidence. Perhaps it is the opposite effect that will occur with this decision precisely, with this doubt that will settle in all minds?
"The decision was taken badly, because it was taken in an extremely brutal way. Once again, without consultation. But then, if we can have a unified European position, then we will be able to restore confidence. The tragedy would be that some countries resume and not others, and that each plays its own score. That would pose a real problem"
Basically, everyone in Europe (ex UK) panicked, because of one or two countries over-reacting, they are now trying to make the best of it because they have a shortage anyway, but it may lead to a tragic disunity and loss of public confidence.
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No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, let's just keep jabbing. We can't do anything much about what happens on the continent, but we sure as hell can continue to improve things here by getting those jabs into arms.
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They seem to think that the EMA are going to come out with some bold decisive statement in the next two days that doesn't just "reassure" on safety, but blows the concerns out of the water. That's just not going to happen.Pulpstar said:
It'll do quite the opposite for confidence.Leon said:And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.
Even the UK know that risks are being taken and adverse effects (including those not yet identified) can't be ruled out. But they've forgotten the reasons why these vaccines were approved under emergency provisions in the first place. Quite simply the reward far outweighs the risk. Until that changes there can be all the reports of unwanted side effects in the world. Maybe in 6-12 months time when there are vaccines aplenty to choose from, a different approach might be justified. But not now, when Europe is in a race against time, and every dose is precious.2 -
This kind of sentiment will be the death of the EU. The tragedy would be if some countries succeeded?Leon said:"The decision was taken badly, because it was taken in an extremely brutal way. Once again, without consultation. But then, if we can have a unified European position, then we will be able to restore confidence. The tragedy would be that some countries resume and not others, and that each plays its own score. That would pose a real problem"
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Not often I get to say this - Belgium, the voice of reason
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Of course we can do something, we can stop stealing all those vaccines which don't work and/or kill people anyway.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, let's just keep jabbing. We can't do anything much about what happens on the continent, but we sure as hell can continue to improve things here by getting those jabs into arms.
That reads like a parody of a federalist apparatchik - unified positions, like having principles, are only good if the position itself is good, and how does one achieve a unified position by everyone acting independently anyway? Even the EU has seen that.Leon said:
"The decision was taken badly, because it was taken in an extremely brutal way. Once again, without consultation. But then, if we can have a unified European position, then we will be able to restore confidence. The tragedy would be that some countries resume and not others, and that each plays its own score. That would pose a real problem"
That sort of attitude won't be the death of the EU, but you can see why williamglenn laments it - it's taken the thing that is usually a good thing, and sticking with it to the point of deadly absurdity.1 -
This.alex_ said:
They seem to think that the EMA are going to come out with some bold decisive statement in the next two days that doesn't just "reassure" on safety, but blows the concerns out of the water. That's just not going to happen.Pulpstar said:
It'll do quite the opposite for confidence.Leon said:And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.
Even the UK know that risks are being taken and adverse effects (including those not yet identified) can't be ruled out. But they've forgotten the reasons why these vaccines were approved under emergency provisions in the first place. Quite simply the reward far outweighs the risk. Until that changes there can be all the reports of unwanted side effects in the world. Maybe in 6-12 months time when there are vaccines aplenty to choose from, a different approach might be justified. But not now, when Europe is in a race against time, and every dose is precious.0 -
Yes, exactly! It sounds like something from a Soviet official in about 1978. "This terrible error, which will kill people, will be justified if the Communist Party stays united and regains the trust of the people we haven't killed". It is all about the Party, not the people they will killkle4 said:
Of course we can do something, we can stop stealing all those vaccines which don't work and/or kill people anyway.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, let's just keep jabbing. We can't do anything much about what happens on the continent, but we sure as hell can continue to improve things here by getting those jabs into arms.
That reads like a parody of a federalist apparatchik - unified positions, like having principles, are only good if the position itself is good, and how does one achieve a unified position by everyone acting independently anyway? Even the EU has seen that.Leon said:
"The decision was taken badly, because it was taken in an extremely brutal way. Once again, without consultation. But then, if we can have a unified European position, then we will be able to restore confidence. The tragedy would be that some countries resume and not others, and that each plays its own score. That would pose a real problem"
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Thing is, who in the rest of Europe will listen? The UK and Belgium have done worse on reported figures than just about anyone (Yes, I know excess deaths shows different things), and so even the correct lesson on vaccination will be argued against.Floater said:Not often I get to say this - Belgium, the voice of reason
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Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.0 -
The doctor is quite good on this. He points out the high level of anxiety about the vaccine prior to these events, and then the difficulty of France continuing with vaccinations when 2 or more other countries are suspending their vaccination programmes each day, given the increased numbers of doubts this raises amongst the public to be vaccinated. He then says the only way out of this is for the EMA to issue clear guidance on its safety so that the public can be reassured.Pulpstar said:
It'll do quite the opposite for confidence.Leon said:And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.
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Very good point. When it comes to government powers, you don't take the risk. If the powers are only intended for narrow purposes, you godsdamned put it that way in the legislation. Yes, that can muck things up if you are too strict in definition, but better that you allow far too much.alex_ said:
Quite simply, you don't put Government powers in legislation that have the potential to be abused. It is depressing how often these days we hear the argument that concerns about poorly or loosely drafted legislation are overblown because theoretical scenarios are 'far-fetched', and not intended as the purpose of the legislation.CarlottaVance said:Goodness gracious- it could have been even worse!
https://twitter.com/dogdevotion/status/1371492989680357385?s=21
I suspect at the time of the drafting of Scotland Act there was a tacit assumption that no party would be able to secure a majority.1 -
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I'm sure he is, but that's not how societal moods and beliefs propagate. Sure, most will be reassured, but how many won't? How many will face a delay as a result?TimT said:
The doctor is quite good on this. He points out the high level of anxiety about the vaccine prior to these events, and then the difficulty of France continuing with vaccinations when 2 or more other countries are suspending their vaccination programmes each day, given the increased numbers of doubts this raises amongst the public to be vaccinated. He then says the only way out of this is for the EMA to issue clear guidance on its safety so that the public can be reassured.Pulpstar said:
It'll do quite the opposite for confidence.Leon said:And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.
He is clearly frustrated.
On polling about views on safety of the vaccines some surprise was expressed as the various French and German governmental leaks had only questioned AZ's efficacy, not its safety. But of course if you trash it as ineffective and launch a war of words with the manufacturer people were going to extrapolate it to being unsafe. Now they seem to have confirmation.
Of course, most people are still and will still take it, but the EMA cannot prevent more people having reason to be fearful.
And what of the many places relying upon AZ as they don't have well stocked vaccine portfolios about to pay dividends? Their populations may be more effected if people say they want to wait for the good stuff, as there may be no alternative.0 -
I absolutely agree with you on the effects in the real world the Europeans' actions will have on the vaccination programme. What I was saying was that the good doctor gives a pretty good analysis of how this came to be and why it is a problem when one country started suspending/banning a vaccine.kle4 said:
I'm sure he is, but that's not how societal moods and beliefs propagate. Sure, most will be reassured, but how many won't? How many will face a delay as a result?TimT said:
The doctor is quite good on this. He points out the high level of anxiety about the vaccine prior to these events, and then the difficulty of France continuing with vaccinations when 2 or more other countries are suspending their vaccination programmes each day, given the increased numbers of doubts this raises amongst the public to be vaccinated. He then says the only way out of this is for the EMA to issue clear guidance on its safety so that the public can be reassured.Pulpstar said:
It'll do quite the opposite for confidence.Leon said:And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.
He is clearly frustrated.
On polling about views on safety of the vaccines some surprise was expressed as the various French and German governmental leaks had only questioned AZ's efficacy, not its safety. But of course if you trash it as ineffective and launch a war of words with the manufacturer people were going to extrapolate it to being unsafe. Now they seem to have confirmation.
Of course, most people are still and will still take it, but the EMA cannot prevent more people having reason to be fearful.
And what of the many places relying upon AZ as they don't have well stocked vaccine portfolios about to pay dividends? Their populations may be more effected if people say they want to wait for the good stuff, as there may be no alternative.0 -
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Actually, there is a serious point here. Roundly abusing someone, or criticising them sharply, is often counter-productive. They get defensiveRichard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
But mocking laughter can really sting. If you are the target, you look at yourself anew
I felt that keenly over Brexit - derision and mockery - and it made me reassess. The political class failed us, especially "elite" eurosceptics.
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Done. £100 it is. As you say, 40 deaths are average. But this year we will have a record.rcs1000 said:
About 40 people die skiing every year in the US.YBarddCwsc said:
It looks as though this year will be the deadliest ever on the US slopes.rcs1000 said:Totally off topic, I went skiing in Tahoe at the weekend. The flights there and back were both full, and Squaw Valley was packed on Saturday.
@YBarddCwsc would have hated it.
Google News throws up reports of a number of skiing deaths in the US in the last few weeks, including Tahoe.
So, we can certainly conclude that skiing is a good deal more dangerous than the AZ vaccine.
I hope the cautious EU bans such a reckless activity.
I'll bet you £100 that 2021 will see fewer than 40 ski and snowboard deaths in 2021.
There are already 39 deaths.
33 are reported here.
https://avalanche.state.co.us/accidents/us/
Since then, they have been a further 5 deaths
(i) Matthew Gilman, Whitefish WA on March 1st;
(ii, iii) two unnamed fatalities at Eldora, CO on March 2nd,
(iv) Kirby Smith at Big Sky MT on March 5th;
(v) Heath McHenry on Schweitzer Mountain, MT on March 14th
(vi) together with 1 missing from the list (Arthur Powers 16th Feb, Stowe Mountain VT)
So, we are up to 39, and it is not even mid-March. I just need one more to win.
There are still another 2 months of casualties to come in the 2020-2021 season. I'll let you know when I have won.
If you think about, it has been a bumper avalanche season in the US. And, because of COVID, many people are desperate to get out, so more careless skiers.
Bound to be the biggest ski deaths tally ever in the US this season.
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France and Germany, as big European powerhouse countries have tremendous powers to lead and influence others. Even more so now the EU commission seems to have gone AWOL. If they had stood firm, the doubt of the other smaller countries (perhaps without the same experience or national resource to independently verify and assuage concerns) could have been pushed back. Instead they've failed to lead, exacerbated the doubts - and then passed the buck to the EMA who have very little room to say anything different on Tuesday than they did on Sunday.kle4 said:
I'm sure he is, but that's not how societal moods and beliefs propagate. Sure, most will be reassured, but how many won't? How many will face a delay as a result?TimT said:
The doctor is quite good on this. He points out the high level of anxiety about the vaccine prior to these events, and then the difficulty of France continuing with vaccinations when 2 or more other countries are suspending their vaccination programmes each day, given the increased numbers of doubts this raises amongst the public to be vaccinated. He then says the only way out of this is for the EMA to issue clear guidance on its safety so that the public can be reassured.Pulpstar said:
It'll do quite the opposite for confidence.Leon said:And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.
He is clearly frustrated.
On polling about views on safety of the vaccines some surprise was expressed as the various French and German governmental leaks had only questioned AZ's efficacy, not its safety. But of course if you trash it as ineffective and launch a war of words with the manufacturer people were going to extrapolate it to being unsafe. Now they seem to have confirmation.
Of course, most people are still and will still take it, but the EMA cannot prevent more people having reason to be fearful.
And what of the many places relying upon AZ as they don't have well stocked vaccine portfolios about to pay dividends? Their populations may be more effected if people say they want to wait for the good stuff, as there may be no alternative.0 -
Only 19 of the 33 are skiers and snowboarders, so you'll need a few more than 1.YBarddCwsc said:
Done. £100 it is. As you say, 40 deaths are average. But this year we will have a record.rcs1000 said:
About 40 people die skiing every year in the US.YBarddCwsc said:
It looks as though this year will be the deadliest ever on the US slopes.rcs1000 said:Totally off topic, I went skiing in Tahoe at the weekend. The flights there and back were both full, and Squaw Valley was packed on Saturday.
@YBarddCwsc would have hated it.
Google News throws up reports of a number of skiing deaths in the US in the last few weeks, including Tahoe.
So, we can certainly conclude that skiing is a good deal more dangerous than the AZ vaccine.
I hope the cautious EU bans such a reckless activity.
I'll bet you £100 that 2021 will see fewer than 40 ski and snowboard deaths in 2021.
There are already 39 deaths.
33 are reported here.
https://avalanche.state.co.us/accidents/us/
Since then, they have been a further 5 deaths
(i) Matthew Gilman, Whitefish WA on March 1st;
(ii, iii) two unnamed fatalities at Eldora, CO on March 2nd,
(iv) Kirby Smith at Big Sky MT on March 5th;
(v) Heath McHenry on Schweitzer Mountain, MT on March 14th
(vi) together with 1 missing from the list (Arthur Powers 16th Feb, Stowe Mountain VT)
So, we are up to 39, and it is not even mid-March. I just need one more to win.
There are still another 2 months of casualties to come in the 2020-2021 season. I'll let you know when I have won.
If you think about, it has been a bumper avalanche season in the US. And, because of COVID, many people are desperate to get out, so more careless skiers.
Bound to be the biggest ski deaths tally ever in the US this season.0 -
It looks like France got terrified because Norway and Iceland suspended AZ. Norway and Iceland?!alex_ said:
France and Germany, as big European powerhouse countries have tremendous powers to lead and influence others. Even more so now the EU commission seems to have gone AWOL. If they had stood firm, the doubt of the other smaller countries (perhaps without the same experience or national resource to independently verify and assuage concerns) could have been pushed back. Instead they've failed to lead, exacerbated the doubts - and then passed the buck to the EMA who have very little room to say anything different on Tuesday than they did on Sunday.kle4 said:
I'm sure he is, but that's not how societal moods and beliefs propagate. Sure, most will be reassured, but how many won't? How many will face a delay as a result?TimT said:
The doctor is quite good on this. He points out the high level of anxiety about the vaccine prior to these events, and then the difficulty of France continuing with vaccinations when 2 or more other countries are suspending their vaccination programmes each day, given the increased numbers of doubts this raises amongst the public to be vaccinated. He then says the only way out of this is for the EMA to issue clear guidance on its safety so that the public can be reassured.Pulpstar said:
It'll do quite the opposite for confidence.Leon said:And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.
He is clearly frustrated.
On polling about views on safety of the vaccines some surprise was expressed as the various French and German governmental leaks had only questioned AZ's efficacy, not its safety. But of course if you trash it as ineffective and launch a war of words with the manufacturer people were going to extrapolate it to being unsafe. Now they seem to have confirmation.
Of course, most people are still and will still take it, but the EMA cannot prevent more people having reason to be fearful.
And what of the many places relying upon AZ as they don't have well stocked vaccine portfolios about to pay dividends? Their populations may be more effected if people say they want to wait for the good stuff, as there may be no alternative.
A nation with a large ego but deeply fragile self-esteem, and terrible levels of anti-vaxxery.2 -
Canada to allow AZ for over 65s.2
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We've all seen the data on traditional vaccine scepticism and poor take up (eg. of flu) in many European countries. It appears that the UK have worked several times harder to maintain confidence in vaccines, despite a population that was far more pre-disposed to accept them in the first place. Whereas the EU and/or individual EU countries almost seem to have gone out of their way at every turn to sow doubt and confusion (whether over efficacy or safety or both).2
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https://twitter.com/PaulBrown_UK/status/1371532345224921097?s=19
Is that the red haired lady, who has been all over the front pages in recent days, out protesting again?0 -
Psuedo-science....Andy_JS said:Canada to allow AZ for over 65s.
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The average is 40 as Robert says -- it includes everything on that list.TimT said:
Only 19 of the 33 are skiers and snowboarders, so you'll need a few more than 1.YBarddCwsc said:
Done. £100 it is. As you say, 40 deaths are average. But this year we will have a record.rcs1000 said:
About 40 people die skiing every year in the US.YBarddCwsc said:
It looks as though this year will be the deadliest ever on the US slopes.rcs1000 said:Totally off topic, I went skiing in Tahoe at the weekend. The flights there and back were both full, and Squaw Valley was packed on Saturday.
@YBarddCwsc would have hated it.
Google News throws up reports of a number of skiing deaths in the US in the last few weeks, including Tahoe.
So, we can certainly conclude that skiing is a good deal more dangerous than the AZ vaccine.
I hope the cautious EU bans such a reckless activity.
I'll bet you £100 that 2021 will see fewer than 40 ski and snowboard deaths in 2021.
There are already 39 deaths.
33 are reported here.
https://avalanche.state.co.us/accidents/us/
Since then, they have been a further 5 deaths
(i) Matthew Gilman, Whitefish WA on March 1st;
(ii, iii) two unnamed fatalities at Eldora, CO on March 2nd,
(iv) Kirby Smith at Big Sky MT on March 5th;
(v) Heath McHenry on Schweitzer Mountain, MT on March 14th
(vi) together with 1 missing from the list (Arthur Powers 16th Feb, Stowe Mountain VT)
So, we are up to 39, and it is not even mid-March. I just need one more to win.
There are still another 2 months of casualties to come in the 2020-2021 season. I'll let you know when I have won.
If you think about, it has been a bumper avalanche season in the US. And, because of COVID, many people are desperate to get out, so more careless skiers.
Bound to be the biggest ski deaths tally ever in the US this season.
Otherwise the average would not be 40.
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Norway and Iceland are also two countries with space to be more measured - as they have largely kept Covid out throughout the course of the pandemic, and never opened up to the outside.Leon said:
It looks like France got terrified because Norway and Iceland suspended AZ. Norway and Iceland?!alex_ said:
France and Germany, as big European powerhouse countries have tremendous powers to lead and influence others. Even more so now the EU commission seems to have gone AWOL. If they had stood firm, the doubt of the other smaller countries (perhaps without the same experience or national resource to independently verify and assuage concerns) could have been pushed back. Instead they've failed to lead, exacerbated the doubts - and then passed the buck to the EMA who have very little room to say anything different on Tuesday than they did on Sunday.kle4 said:
I'm sure he is, but that's not how societal moods and beliefs propagate. Sure, most will be reassured, but how many won't? How many will face a delay as a result?TimT said:
The doctor is quite good on this. He points out the high level of anxiety about the vaccine prior to these events, and then the difficulty of France continuing with vaccinations when 2 or more other countries are suspending their vaccination programmes each day, given the increased numbers of doubts this raises amongst the public to be vaccinated. He then says the only way out of this is for the EMA to issue clear guidance on its safety so that the public can be reassured.Pulpstar said:
It'll do quite the opposite for confidence.Leon said:And more. The French are actively admitting this "pause" is unscientific. ie nonsense on stilts and on a ketamine high
But it has to be done, because.....
Suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine: "Scientifically, the stop was not justified, but in terms of confidence, it was necessary to go through it", estimates a doctor"
https://francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/vaccin/suspension-du-vaccin-astrazeneca-sur-le-plan-scientifique-l-arret-ne-se-justifiait-pas-mais-sur-le-plan-de-la-confiance-il-fallait-en-passer-par-la-estime-un-medecin_4334455.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]
https://twitter.com/RUBISRED/status/1371597866888790016?s=20
Imagine living in a country where they pause the distribution of a life-saving vaccine, during a plague, knowing this is scientifically wrong, and will kill people.
He is clearly frustrated.
On polling about views on safety of the vaccines some surprise was expressed as the various French and German governmental leaks had only questioned AZ's efficacy, not its safety. But of course if you trash it as ineffective and launch a war of words with the manufacturer people were going to extrapolate it to being unsafe. Now they seem to have confirmation.
Of course, most people are still and will still take it, but the EMA cannot prevent more people having reason to be fearful.
And what of the many places relying upon AZ as they don't have well stocked vaccine portfolios about to pay dividends? Their populations may be more effected if people say they want to wait for the good stuff, as there may be no alternative.
A nation with a large ego but deeply fragile self-esteem, and terrible levels of anti-vaxxery.
Incidentally - it hasn't been mentioned much, but i believe Denmark have already completed their "review" and started vaccinated again. As have Thailand another country which very briefly suspended.1 -
What's still very odd is that in the middle of all this the EU still hasn't ordered any Novavax doses. It's got 91% efficacy, 96% on Iike for like comparison with Pfizer. We have 60m doses on the way, on a pro-rata basis the EU would need to order ~500m doses to match that. I don't think that's going to be possible now which means once again they'll be waiting for our or America's scraps and bitching about how unfair it all is.1
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Bloodlands epitomises the big problem with British primetime drama
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/bloodlands-bbc-line-of-duty-b1815972.html2 -
I'd refuse to supply Italy specifically if I was a manufacturer.MaxPB said:What's still very odd is that in the middle of all this the EU still hasn't ordered any Novavax doses. It's got 91% efficacy, 96% on Iike for like comparison with Pfizer. We have 60m doses on the way, on a pro-rata basis the EU would need to order ~500m doses to match that. I don't think that's going to be possible now which means once again they'll be waiting for our or America's scraps and bitching about how unfair it all is.
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According to Geert Hofstede's research, the UK is less risk-averse than almost every other European country. Maybe that's one of the explanations for what's going on with the AZ vaccine.
https://clearlycultural.com/geert-hofstede-cultural-dimensions/uncertainty-avoidance-index/
In fact the UK is lowest on the list for any country with more than about 10 million people.1 -
I was very specific about skiiers and snowboarders.YBarddCwsc said:
The average is 40 as Robert says -- it includes everything on that list.TimT said:
Only 19 of the 33 are skiers and snowboarders, so you'll need a few more than 1.YBarddCwsc said:
Done. £100 it is. As you say, 40 deaths are average. But this year we will have a record.rcs1000 said:
About 40 people die skiing every year in the US.YBarddCwsc said:
It looks as though this year will be the deadliest ever on the US slopes.rcs1000 said:Totally off topic, I went skiing in Tahoe at the weekend. The flights there and back were both full, and Squaw Valley was packed on Saturday.
@YBarddCwsc would have hated it.
Google News throws up reports of a number of skiing deaths in the US in the last few weeks, including Tahoe.
So, we can certainly conclude that skiing is a good deal more dangerous than the AZ vaccine.
I hope the cautious EU bans such a reckless activity.
I'll bet you £100 that 2021 will see fewer than 40 ski and snowboard deaths in 2021.
There are already 39 deaths.
33 are reported here.
https://avalanche.state.co.us/accidents/us/
Since then, they have been a further 5 deaths
(i) Matthew Gilman, Whitefish WA on March 1st;
(ii, iii) two unnamed fatalities at Eldora, CO on March 2nd,
(iv) Kirby Smith at Big Sky MT on March 5th;
(v) Heath McHenry on Schweitzer Mountain, MT on March 14th
(vi) together with 1 missing from the list (Arthur Powers 16th Feb, Stowe Mountain VT)
So, we are up to 39, and it is not even mid-March. I just need one more to win.
There are still another 2 months of casualties to come in the 2020-2021 season. I'll let you know when I have won.
If you think about, it has been a bumper avalanche season in the US. And, because of COVID, many people are desperate to get out, so more careless skiers.
Bound to be the biggest ski deaths tally ever in the US this season.
Otherwise the average would not be 40.
So, all those people on snowmobiles, they don't count.
And the season is basically done.0 -
“City, United will never be defeated”FrancisUrquhart said:https://twitter.com/PaulBrown_UK/status/1371532345224921097?s=19
Is that the red haired lady, who has been all over the front pages in recent days, out protesting again?
Fans of both Manchester women’s teams just like we were talking about t’other day with Rangers & Celtic and the Scottish Labour leader1 -
You said "About 40 people die skiing every year in the US."rcs1000 said:
I was very specific about skiiers and snowboarders.YBarddCwsc said:
The average is 40 as Robert says -- it includes everything on that list.TimT said:
Only 19 of the 33 are skiers and snowboarders, so you'll need a few more than 1.YBarddCwsc said:
Done. £100 it is. As you say, 40 deaths are average. But this year we will have a record.rcs1000 said:
About 40 people die skiing every year in the US.YBarddCwsc said:
It looks as though this year will be the deadliest ever on the US slopes.rcs1000 said:Totally off topic, I went skiing in Tahoe at the weekend. The flights there and back were both full, and Squaw Valley was packed on Saturday.
@YBarddCwsc would have hated it.
Google News throws up reports of a number of skiing deaths in the US in the last few weeks, including Tahoe.
So, we can certainly conclude that skiing is a good deal more dangerous than the AZ vaccine.
I hope the cautious EU bans such a reckless activity.
I'll bet you £100 that 2021 will see fewer than 40 ski and snowboard deaths in 2021.
There are already 39 deaths.
33 are reported here.
https://avalanche.state.co.us/accidents/us/
Since then, they have been a further 5 deaths
(i) Matthew Gilman, Whitefish WA on March 1st;
(ii, iii) two unnamed fatalities at Eldora, CO on March 2nd,
(iv) Kirby Smith at Big Sky MT on March 5th;
(v) Heath McHenry on Schweitzer Mountain, MT on March 14th
(vi) together with 1 missing from the list (Arthur Powers 16th Feb, Stowe Mountain VT)
So, we are up to 39, and it is not even mid-March. I just need one more to win.
There are still another 2 months of casualties to come in the 2020-2021 season. I'll let you know when I have won.
If you think about, it has been a bumper avalanche season in the US. And, because of COVID, many people are desperate to get out, so more careless skiers.
Bound to be the biggest ski deaths tally ever in the US this season.
Otherwise the average would not be 40.
So, all those people on snowmobiles, they don't count.
And the season is basically done.
How do you get that number? Where is the data that you are using to obtain that average?
This year will be above average because of the reasons that I stated.
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https://snowgaper.com/how-many-people-die-skiing/
If we accept the data on this site (which comes from NSAA), then ski deaths in the US in the last two years were in excess of 40. They were 42 in 2019-20 and 42 in 2018-19.
I am absolutely sure they will be in excess of 40 this year -- there have been many more deaths from avalanches in the US mountains this year.
So let's agree on which site we are using to record the deaths & get the bet sorted ..... unless you are chickening out. 0 -
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.0 -
On Topic
Apart from the Tories soaring and SKS sinking like a stone, the polls are troubling!!0 -
BattleshipLuckyguy1983 said:
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
3 Jumanji films
All the Saw films (kind of; he keeps saying he wants to play a game)
Wreck-it Ralph
Ender's Game
World of Warcraft
The Pokemon Movie
TRON1 -
Red-haired lady, Patsy Stevenson, has now been debunked. I think.
When the police asked the crowd to disperse after minute's silence etc, Patsy made a speech from the bandstand telling the crowd to ignore the police and refuse to disperse.
Sky timeline and article.
https://news.sky.com/story/sarah-everard-vigil-what-sparked-the-ugly-scenes-and-were-the-police-tactics-warranted-12247074
Interesting that Michael Chessum was there as well; he was one of the lead student activists in 2010-ish, and embarrassed himself on Newsnight.
There is also a 4 min vid report running on the Sky News channel.
So much for "I am not an activist". "I am just here to lay flowers."
Make your own judgements, of course.
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I enjoyed that so much that I should be charged with voyeurism.CarlottaVance said:0 -
The National Ski Areas Association (NSAA) keeps track of the number of skiers and snowboarders who die, and not just in avalanches.YBarddCwsc said:https://snowgaper.com/how-many-people-die-skiing/
If we accept the data on this site (which comes from NSAA), then ski deaths in the US in the last two years were in excess of 40. They were 42 in 2019-20 and 42 in 2018-19.
I am absolutely sure they will be in excess of 40 this year -- there have been many more deaths from avalanches in the US mountains this year.
So let's agree on which site we are using to record the deaths & get the bet sorted ..... unless you are chickening out.
They would seem to be the logical place to look, given your avalanche numbers include a lot of non-skiier/snowboarders0 -
WargamesEndillion said:
BattleshipLuckyguy1983 said:
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
3 Jumanji films
All the Saw films (kind of; he keeps saying he wants to play a game)
Wreck-it Ralph
Ender's Game
World of Warcraft
The Pokemon Movie
TRON
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How is that a debunking?MattW said:Red-haired lady, Patsy Stevenson, has now been debunked. I think.
When the police asked the crowd to disperse after minute's silence etc, Patsy made a speech from the bandstand telling the crowd to ignore the police and refuse to disperse.
Sky timeline and article.
https://news.sky.com/story/sarah-everard-vigil-what-sparked-the-ugly-scenes-and-were-the-police-tactics-warranted-12247074
Interesting that Michael Chessum was there as well; he was one of the lead student activists in 2010-ish, and embarrassed himself on Newsnight.
There is also a 4 min vid report running on the Sky News channel.
So much for "I am not an activist". "I am just here to lay flowers."
Make your own judgements, of course.
She says she's "done with being bullied by the Police" in a vigil for the death of a woman allegedly murdered by a Police officer . . . and the Police response was to use violence to break up a peaceful protest?
The Police actions are as inexplicable as the European's actions over Astrazeneca.0 -
Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html1 -
OK, so the bet is on the number of deaths on the NSAA fatality report for the 2020/2021 season.rcs1000 said:
The National Ski Areas Association (NSAA) keeps track of the number of skiers and snowboarders who die, and not just in avalanches.YBarddCwsc said:https://snowgaper.com/how-many-people-die-skiing/
If we accept the data on this site (which comes from NSAA), then ski deaths in the US in the last two years were in excess of 40. They were 42 in 2019-20 and 42 in 2018-19.
I am absolutely sure they will be in excess of 40 this year -- there have been many more deaths from avalanches in the US mountains this year.
So let's agree on which site we are using to record the deaths & get the bet sorted ..... unless you are chickening out.
They would seem to be the logical place to look, given your avalanche numbers include a lot of non-skiier/snowboarders
It seems this won't be issued until October 2021.
You wrote: "I'll bet you £100 that 2021 will see fewer than 40 ski and snowboard deaths "
So, 39 or lower you win, 40 or higher, I win.
Agreed? Stake, as you suggested is £100.0 -
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?3 -
Done.YBarddCwsc said:
OK, so the bet is on the number of deaths on the NSAA fatality report for the 2020/2021 season.rcs1000 said:
The National Ski Areas Association (NSAA) keeps track of the number of skiers and snowboarders who die, and not just in avalanches.YBarddCwsc said:https://snowgaper.com/how-many-people-die-skiing/
If we accept the data on this site (which comes from NSAA), then ski deaths in the US in the last two years were in excess of 40. They were 42 in 2019-20 and 42 in 2018-19.
I am absolutely sure they will be in excess of 40 this year -- there have been many more deaths from avalanches in the US mountains this year.
So let's agree on which site we are using to record the deaths & get the bet sorted ..... unless you are chickening out.
They would seem to be the logical place to look, given your avalanche numbers include a lot of non-skiier/snowboarders
It seems this won't be issued until October 2021.
You wrote: "I'll bet you £100 that 2021 will see fewer than 40 ski and snowboard deaths "
So, 39 or lower you win, 40 or higher, I win.
Agreed? Stake, as you suggested is £100.0 -
If she wanted to truly get away from London then perhaps the Cotswolds, full of Londoners commuting, and people who wanted to get away from London wasn't the ideal choice?Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?
Maybe commuting to London 4 days a week wasn't either?
Just a couple of thoughts.1 -
Also, the Cotswolds are hardly the fag end of the earth. Pricing-wise they're 0.1%ers only.Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?0 -
Yeah. Why not Stoke?rcs1000 said:
Also, the Cotswolds are hardly the fag end of the earth. Pricing-wise they're 0.1%ers only.Leon said:
Superb unselfawarenessAndy_JS said:Cliche alert: Londonder moves to the Cotswolds and life there isn't what they expected.
https://www.standard.co.uk/escapist/i-left-london-for-the-countryside-and-it-was-nothing-like-i-dreamed-b923836.html
‘I loved my job, editing a glossy magazine from the Vogue House offices in Mayfair. I loved our house, a four-bedroom detached Victorian villa near Kingston-upon-Thames’
Right away, we know she is worth £2m, minimum. So, zero sympathy
Why do they publish this tripe, unless they aim to humiliate the naive writer?0 -
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Those vaccines weren’t made by the Brits though.williamglenn said:0 -
"Vaccination vacillation
EU countries pause AstraZeneca’s covid-19 jab over safety fears
An abundance of caution could well backfire"
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/03/15/eu-countries-pause-astrazenecas-covid-19-jab-over-safety-fears1 -
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When discussing civil liberties, it’s always a good idea to be seen to be standing up for those you don’t agree with. Perhaps Wera now wishes she’d spoken out earlier about other cases, but the replies to that thread are quite depressing.Andy_JS said:0 -
See - the current Police Bill.kle4 said:
Very good point. When it comes to government powers, you don't take the risk. If the powers are only intended for narrow purposes, you godsdamned put it that way in the legislation. Yes, that can muck things up if you are too strict in definition, but better that you allow far too much.alex_ said:
Quite simply, you don't put Government powers in legislation that have the potential to be abused. It is depressing how often these days we hear the argument that concerns about poorly or loosely drafted legislation are overblown because theoretical scenarios are 'far-fetched', and not intended as the purpose of the legislation.CarlottaVance said:Goodness gracious- it could have been even worse!
https://twitter.com/dogdevotion/status/1371492989680357385?s=21
I suspect at the time of the drafting of Scotland Act there was a tacit assumption that no party would be able to secure a majority.
(Nothing to see here, according to the Tories.)0 -
It is, and she tacitly admits that she was wrong.tlg86 said:
When discussing civil liberties, it’s always a good idea to be seen to be standing up for those you don’t agree with. Perhaps Wera now wishes she’d spoken out earlier about other cases, but the replies to that thread are quite depressing.Andy_JS said:
Politicians should do that more often.2 -
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Now we have public health reasons why Test cricket is better than T20FrancisUrquhart said:England's remaining three Twenty20 internationals against India in Ahmedabad will be played behind closed doors because of rising coronavirus cases in the state of Gujarat.
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I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it is definitely starting to look like the AZ vaccine is being singled out for criticism.Floater said:
Whether it’s the EU hating something immediately successful and British, ‘Big Pharma’ lobbyists hating the idea that billions of vaccines made on a non-profit basis hurt their bottom lines, or some other reason, is left for the reader to conclude themselves.1 -
Don’t let facts get in the way of healthy prejudice.Sandpit said:
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it is definitely starting to look like the AZ vaccine is being singled out for criticism.Floater said:
Whether it’s the EU hating something immediately successful and British, ‘Big Pharma’ lobbyists hating the idea that billions of vaccines made on a non-profit basis hurt their bottom lines, or some other reason, is left for the reader to conclude themselves.0 -
After £2.6m and a seven-month wait, the curtains have finally opened on a studio based inside Downing Street where the prime minister’s press secretary will address the nation in new White House-style TV briefings.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/15/no-10-offers-first-sight-of-26m-white-house-style-briefing-room0 -
Rather like the police bill, there’s a strong possibility that powers intended to deal with hardline Extinction Rebellion groups deliberately shutting down major transport infrastructure, can - if not worded carefully - end up being used to arrest a small group of women, holding a vigil for their friend who was dragged off the street and murdered, allegedly by a serving police officer.kle4 said:
Very good point. When it comes to government powers, you don't take the risk. If the powers are only intended for narrow purposes, you godsdamned put it that way in the legislation. Yes, that can muck things up if you are too strict in definition, but better that you allow far too much.alex_ said:
Quite simply, you don't put Government powers in legislation that have the potential to be abused. It is depressing how often these days we hear the argument that concerns about poorly or loosely drafted legislation are overblown because theoretical scenarios are 'far-fetched', and not intended as the purpose of the legislation.CarlottaVance said:Goodness gracious- it could have been even worse!
https://twitter.com/dogdevotion/status/1371492989680357385?s=21
I suspect at the time of the drafting of Scotland Act there was a tacit assumption that no party would be able to secure a majority.0 -
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WargamesEndillion said:
BattleshipLuckyguy1983 said:
Trivia: Name another film about a game. See how many you can name. Go!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not sure about laughing, I think it's more that we need some modern-day Ingmar Bergman to produce a successor to The Seventh Seal.Leon said:
No, we can point and laugh at them. It won't do much for public health, but, you know, we're in a plague. Giggles are thin on the ground.
3 Jumanji films
All the Saw films (kind of; he keeps saying he wants to play a game)
Wreck-it Ralph
Ender's Game
World of Warcraft
The Pokemon Movie
TRON
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Why do you think EU members are suspending AZ and not Pfizer?IanB2 said:
Don’t let facts get in the way of healthy prejudice.Sandpit said:
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it is definitely starting to look like the AZ vaccine is being singled out for criticism.Floater said:
Whether it’s the EU hating something immediately successful and British, ‘Big Pharma’ lobbyists hating the idea that billions of vaccines made on a non-profit basis hurt their bottom lines, or some other reason, is left for the reader to conclude themselves.
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Johnson seems to be rapidly trying to turn the U.K. Govt into the US Presidency. Passing legislation with wide ranging powers to effectively allow Governance by Executive fiat. I wonder if he is toying with just abolishing Prime Minister’s questions? Perhaps even other ministerial questions? What is to actually stop him? The Govt controls the Agenda in the House of Commons. No separation of powers means the checks and balances of the US aren’t there. The British constitution has historically worked because its limits have been respected. But what if they aren’t? And a PM with a large majority doesn’t see the need?IanB2 said:After £2.6m and a seven-month wait, the curtains have finally opened on a studio based inside Downing Street where the prime minister’s press secretary will address the nation in new White House-style TV briefings.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/15/no-10-offers-first-sight-of-26m-white-house-style-briefing-room3 -
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Bad deaths day for Belgium. 104 deaths. They haven’t seen a number remotely close to that for months. Hope it’s a correction/backfilling.0
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Why, do enlighten us Ian. Two medicines - AZ and Pfizer - in widespread use. Both associated with the same supposed side effects at practically the same frequency. One gets pulled all over Europe, the other not. Why is this? What are the "facts" that justify the difference in treatment?IanB2 said:
Don’t let facts get in the way of healthy prejudice.Sandpit said:
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it is definitely starting to look like the AZ vaccine is being singled out for criticism.Floater said:
Whether it’s the EU hating something immediately successful and British, ‘Big Pharma’ lobbyists hating the idea that billions of vaccines made on a non-profit basis hurt their bottom lines, or some other reason, is left for the reader to conclude themselves.7 -
About 17 million people in the EU and the UK have received a dose of the vaccine, with fewer than 40 cases of blood clots reported as of last week, AstraZeneca said.
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I would guess in a sample of 17 million, more than 40 have had a car accident in that time period, or fell down the stairs or other uncommon incidents.2 -
Indeed, it could easily be either and while this goes on cases sky rocket in the EU and it is costing people their lives. People are dying as a consequence. It’s insane.Sandpit said:
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it is definitely starting to look like the AZ vaccine is being singled out for criticism.Floater said:
Whether it’s the EU hating something immediately successful and British, ‘Big Pharma’ lobbyists hating the idea that billions of vaccines made on a non-profit basis hurt their bottom lines, or some other reason, is left for the reader to conclude themselves.2 -
U.K. has four or five fatalities per day in road accidents, so once life goes back to normal we can expect a dozen or more vaccinated people every week dying on the roads.FrancisUrquhart said:About 17 million people in the EU and the UK have received a dose of the vaccine, with fewer than 40 cases of blood clots reported as of last week, AstraZeneca said.
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I would guess in a sample of 17 million, more than 40 have had a car accident in that time period, or fell down the stairs or other uncommon incidents.
What if we see a spike in deaths on motorbikes, the first sunny weekend after the restrictions are lifted? Should we suspend the use of motorbikes until it’s proved the deaths are unrelated to Covid vaccines?
It will sadly also be a bad year for light aircraft accidents, as so many pilots have rusty skills. Let’s ban small planes too.1 -
Found any facts yet Ian?IanB2 said:
Don’t let facts get in the way of healthy prejudice.Sandpit said:
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it is definitely starting to look like the AZ vaccine is being singled out for criticism.Floater said:
Whether it’s the EU hating something immediately successful and British, ‘Big Pharma’ lobbyists hating the idea that billions of vaccines made on a non-profit basis hurt their bottom lines, or some other reason, is left for the reader to conclude themselves.2 -
I saw a post on here comparing the UK's vaccination effort with the EU's that didn't even once mention Israel. What more evidence do you need of a massive antisemitic conspiracy?1
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Can anyone actually stand up the scope of work which is covered by that budget?IanB2 said:After £2.6m and a seven-month wait, the curtains have finally opened on a studio based inside Downing Street where the prime minister’s press secretary will address the nation in new White House-style TV briefings.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/15/no-10-offers-first-sight-of-26m-white-house-style-briefing-room
I’m assuming, until someone says otherwise, that they’ve refurbed all the offices in number 9, a listed building, and includes the briefing room and TV control centre AV equipment.
There’s also the context that the ladies and gentlemen of the Lobby are absolutely furious, that the PM’s spokesperson is being allowed to talk in public, bypassing the filter of the hacks.
(And yes, they definitely need to ensure there isn’t a single, solid colour behind the speaker, that could easily be edited out by mischief-makers!).0 -
its all a bit Tony Blair if you ask me.... next thing he will go and start a war somewhere.alex_ said:
Johnson seems to be rapidly trying to turn the U.K. Govt into the US Presidency. Passing legislation with wide ranging powers to effectively allow Governance by Executive fiat. I wonder if he is toying with just abolishing Prime Minister’s questions? Perhaps even other ministerial questions? What is to actually stop him? The Govt controls the Agenda in the House of Commons. No separation of powers means the checks and balances of the US aren’t there. The British constitution has historically worked because its limits have been respected. But what if they aren’t? And a PM with a large majority doesn’t see the need?IanB2 said:After £2.6m and a seven-month wait, the curtains have finally opened on a studio based inside Downing Street where the prime minister’s press secretary will address the nation in new White House-style TV briefings.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/15/no-10-offers-first-sight-of-26m-white-house-style-briefing-room0 -
Can just use Microsoft Teams now!IanB2 said:After £2.6m and a seven-month wait, the curtains have finally opened on a studio based inside Downing Street where the prime minister’s press secretary will address the nation in new White House-style TV briefings.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/15/no-10-offers-first-sight-of-26m-white-house-style-briefing-room0 -
Since I started taking an interest in current affairs, what's going on in Europe with the AZ vaccine is the single-most astounding development. It's difficult to to believe it.Taz said:
Indeed, it could easily be either and while this goes on cases sky rocket in the EU and it is costing people their lives. People are dying as a consequence. It’s insane.Sandpit said:
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it is definitely starting to look like the AZ vaccine is being singled out for criticism.Floater said:
Whether it’s the EU hating something immediately successful and British, ‘Big Pharma’ lobbyists hating the idea that billions of vaccines made on a non-profit basis hurt their bottom lines, or some other reason, is left for the reader to conclude themselves.2
