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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    "Go big or go home" - two new lines; Liverpool-Manchester and Manchester-Bradford-Leeds as well as re-openings and upgrades:

    https://twitter.com/Transport4North/status/1366671665514631169?s=20
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    They knew precisely what would happen when they discharged Covid suspect patients into care homes untested - that evidence has already been made public. The alternative was to test them first before release - only send in the negative ones. Yes, some would have been false negatives, but it would have both reduced infection rates and shown that they gave a shit.

    Or, just come clean. "The NHS was at risk of collapse. We had no alternative but to clear the hospitals, it was a hard decision, we took it in good faith, it was the least worst option". That would be fine. Instead we initially get utter denial, then "yes we did it, perfectly safe", then "you can't blame us".

    Yes we can blame you.
    I think the 'they' in this will be key. I suspect an awful lot of NHS (hospital) managers were involved. I suspect there was pressure from above to make sure hospitals had capacity. I don't believe Matt Hancock went round the wards and personally turfed out the bed blockers. It pays to remember the times. The scenes from Italy were very fresh in the mind. The hospitals had to be emptied. We also didn't have the covid testing capacity that we do now. Tests were rationed. That's no-one fault - this is a new disease. In hindsight, this pandemic story will be about the triumph of science.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    The accolade of My Least Favourite MP in the 2017-2019 Parliament is not an easy one to decide.

    I don't much like Sarah for the reasons you say, but she may not even make the top 50 in my list of least favourite MPs in the 2017-2019 Parliament.

    I think Dominic Grieve might be one of my least favourite MPs in the 2017-2019 Parliament -- serial & gratuitous lying dressed up as smarmy principle. Perhaps not top, but he's certainly in the Hateful Eight.
    My favourite memory is how the media used to characterise Grieve and the rest of them as "moderates" despite holding one of the most extreme EUphile positions possible.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,609
    MattW said:

    The one that has been baffling me this week has been the "Irishman and a Dead Horse" story.

    A bloke perched on a recently dead horse whilst he was making a phone call, as there was nowhere else to perch.

    And ...?

    Yet the entire industry has put on dust and ashes, and gone into pre-emptive self-hating meltdown like a deranged sociology lecturer.

    Huh?

    Maybe he was phoning his butcher (although I don't see anything too wrong in thst either, it will presumably and up as pet food)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    However a ground source heat pump is a terrible idea for an older property without good insulation, which I believe @RochdalePioneers's home is.
    But I would argue so is an oil boiler that burns though £250 of oil a month... Yes - probably needs to sort the insulation too!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Boris in positive territory in today's poll - 44/36 = +8

    The sun is shining, a new dawn is breaking, the long dark winter is over and hope springs eternal.

    It would take a complete sourpuss to begrudge that things are better now than they've been in a while. So where is Roger?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    Indeed, but it's worth noting that the last couple of weeks are a good chalk off where we need to be.

    Again (and I know you are not saying this) I am happy to forecast a sharp uptick – yet keeping a note of the daily and weekly numbers is instructive. We do need to get cracking.
    I know what you mean, and no-one is more anxious than me to see greater numbers. I do think though that when we look back on 1st April, the rate WILL have picked up hugely.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    felix said:

    Exactly - you can 'mash' it up as you see fit!
    Nah, Potatohead has had its chips.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    edited March 2021

    But I would argue so is an oil boiler that burns though £250 of oil a month... Yes - probably needs to sort the insulation too!
    The kind of insulation needed for the efficient use of a GSHP would be significant. We're talking lining the inside walls and floors with insulation (assuming they're pure stone) which will reduce the size of the rooms not insignificantly.

    And then on top of that you'd also likely need to replace all your radiators whereas a biomass heating system can use the existing radiators.

    You're probably talking around 20k at least.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    My favourite memory is how the media used to characterise Grieve and the rest of them as "moderates" despite holding one of the most extreme EUphile positions possible.
    Absolutely this.

    I recall referring to Grieve here as an extremist which was met with apoplexy by some.

    Grieve was every bit if not more of an extremist than IDS, Cash, Bone or anyone like that. At least the latter knew they'd need to win a referendum to get what they wanted.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,609

    They knew precisely what would happen when they discharged Covid suspect patients into care homes untested - that evidence has already been made public. The alternative was to test them first before release - only send in the negative ones. Yes, some would have been false negatives, but it would have both reduced infection rates and shown that they gave a shit.

    Or, just come clean. "The NHS was at risk of collapse. We had no alternative but to clear the hospitals, it was a hard decision, we took it in good faith, it was the least worst option". That would be fine. Instead we initially get utter denial, then "yes we did it, perfectly safe", then "you can't blame us".

    Yes we can blame you.
    The alternative would have been to find somewhere else to warehouse possibly infectious old people on their way back to care homes. The beds were needed in hospital, and I believe it is usual to move frail old people back into care homes ASAP as they tend to do badly if left in hospital longer than necessary
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Yikes! Some of our neighbours not out of the woods yet!

    https://twitter.com/ianjamesparsley/status/1366777577487159299?s=20
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    Absolutely this.

    I recall referring to Grieve here as an extremist which was met with apoplexy by some.

    Grieve was every bit if not more of an extremist than IDS, Cash, Bone or anyone like that. At least the latter knew they'd need to win a referendum to get what they wanted.
    What precisely was “extreme” about Grieve’s position.

    I don’t remember him, for example, lying to the Queen and attempting to prorogue Parliament.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    Lennon said:

    WTAF? Is that really all that story is about? I have to say that I totally assumed he'd been shooting the horse whilst on the phone, or got caught saying 'yeah I'm just sending Red Rum to the glue factory - useless piece of sh*t, wasn't ever going to win anything' or something like that. At which point the reaction is a bit over the top (in my opinion) but understandable.
    Horse was a racehorse that died of a heart attack on the gallops.

    I think it's about the alleged and callousness concerning the welfare of horses, and insufficient dignity accorded to the noble animal etc.

    I was hoping to smoke out some animal rights types to find out. I'm rather unemotional about pet dogs and so on, and was quite happy that my cat lived in the shed rather than in a scented cat divan.

    He's even had his Racing License suspended "whilst we investigate". The charge is "bringing racing into disrepute".

    I can see that sanctions would be appropriate if he had been horsing around. But afaics he wasn't. The only thing I can see is the peace sign with the other hand.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Positivity falling quickly too now:


  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    What precisely was “extreme” about Grieve’s position.

    I don’t remember him, for example, lying to the Queen and attempting to prorogue Parliament.
    Despite losing the referendum he rejected not just Theresa May's Brexit but any and all Brexit options. He decided damn the referendum we need to remain anyway. That is extreme.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327

    The accolade of My Least Favourite MP in the 2017-2019 Parliament is not an easy one to decide.

    I don't much like Sarah for the reasons you say, but she may not even make the top 50 in my list of least favourite MPs in the 2017-2019 Parliament.

    I think Dominic Grieve might be one of my least favourite MPs in the 2017-2019 Parliament -- serial & gratuitous lying dressed up as smarmy principle. Perhaps not top, but he's certainly in the Hateful Eight.
    Why Grieve, when for starters, one could select from the following: Philip Davies, Andrew Bridgen, Christopher Chope, Owen Patterson, Andrew Rossindale, Andrea Jenkyns, Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Laura Pidcock, Chris Williamson, Richard Burgon and Ian Lavery?

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    Yikes! Some of our neighbours not out of the woods yet!

    https://twitter.com/ianjamesparsley/status/1366777577487159299?s=20

    Bit thick here - what doubling rate? Cases? Deaths?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    Rolling daily average of deaths for the past week now at a low of 284. Racing down.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    Despite losing the referendum he rejected not just Theresa May's Brexit but any and all Brexit options. He decided damn the referendum we need to remain anyway. That is extreme.
    Perhaps he was in support of something EFTA which had a plurality of voter support at one stage.

    Grieve-haters just reveal themselves as...impatient with parliamentary procedure.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,103
    Labour and Tories smell blood, just a case if they can get past the patsies making up the SNP side, in end it will come down to whether the ex-green now independent member props up the SNP.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Positivity falling quickly too now:


    Why are patient admissions so out of date?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945
    Out of interest was checking the papers from this day last year.
    Guardian leading on 13 cases of coronavirus. Hancock musing on the possibility of closing sporting events, pubs and schools. The PM preparing to host a COBRA on the subject for the very first time.
    Happy days.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    MattW said:

    Horse was a racehorse that died of a heart attack on the gallops.

    I think it's about the alleged and callousness concerning the welfare of horses, and insufficient dignity accorded to the noble animal etc.

    I was hoping to smoke out some animal rights types to find out. I'm rather unemotional about pet dogs and so on, and was quite happy that my cat lived in the shed rather than in a scented cat divan.

    He's even had his Racing License suspended "whilst we investigate". The charge is "bringing racing into disrepute".

    I can see that sanctions would be appropriate if he had been horsing around. But afaics he wasn't. The only thing I can see is the peace sign with the other hand.
    Its just a wierd story all round. I can't think why he would sit on the dead horse, or why someone would take a picture of it. I also think he has done nothing wrong, certainly nothing to prevent him doing his job as a trainer. And yet Tiger Roll is out of the grand national now.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,342
    edited March 2021
    ...
    rcs1000 said:

    Of course: if they took the Conservative majority from 80 to 10, that would be enormous progress. Not enough, admittedly to get into number 10, but enough to make the Conservatives life very interesting.
    If after Brexit and Covid, supposedly both handled horrifically by Boris, he won a majority of more than ten at the next GE, which would be the best for the Tories (other than 2019) in 30 odd years, I think he should be pretty pleased with it. 2017 and 2019 were unique GE's really, as they were all about the referendum fallout
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559

    Why are patient admissions so out of date?
    NHS wants you to think they are still busy?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    malcolmg said:

    Labour and Tories smell blood, just a case if they can get past the patsies making up the SNP side, in end it will come down to whether the ex-green now independent member props up the SNP.
    Each day seems to bring new batshittery from the Scottish government.

    From afar, Swinney seems to be deliberately provoking a no confidence vote.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Perhaps he was in support of something EFTA which had a plurality of voter support at one stage.

    Grieve-haters just reveal themselves as...impatient with parliamentary procedure.
    That was an option in the indicative votes - he voted against.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    edited March 2021

    What precisely was “extreme” about Grieve’s position.

    I don’t remember him, for example, lying to the Queen and attempting to prorogue Parliament.
    You're making the classic mistake of not liking one position so making the opposite moderate by default. Thats complete nonsense.

    Grieve had a very fanatical and uncompromising position, accepting no compromise whatsoever. People might think that was right and correct, lets say for sake of argument that it was, but it was an extreme position within the chamber and politics.

    People end up using moderate or extreme as a synonym for good or bad, but that's not the case. MaxPB clearly takes Grieves extremism as bad, but others loved his extreme position as good, even as some sought compromise like Clarke (no less an EU supporter).

    He held an extreme position in the context of the debate, I think its absurd to deny that, whether one thought he was right or wrong.

    I switched to backing a second ref and remain position, but that doesn't magically make Grieve a moderate on the Brexit debates. His intellect and creative use of arcane procedure doesnt change that, and I think it very petty people refuse to accept the man was an outlier, in context an extreme position holder.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Why are patient admissions so out of date?
    No data from Scotland since the 24th onwards. Better to look at the England only data which is down to 624 new hospitalisations per day and just under 11k currently in hospital.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    If Pfizer, Moderna and J&J can keep to delivery schedules, the US should be in a good position vaccine-wise by the end of July. Now it's just the 'simple' task of getting people to want it:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/01/health/covid-vaccines-coming-when-trnd/index.html

    The story shows month by month delivery expectations per vaccine producer.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    Bit thick here - what doubling rate? Cases? Deaths?
    Cases. You want a big number, getting bigger, not the reverse.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited March 2021

    Why Grieve, when for starters, one could select from the following: Philip Davies, Andrew Bridgen, Christopher Chope, Owen Patterson, Andrew Rossindale, Andrea Jenkyns, Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Laura Pidcock, Chris Williamson, Richard Burgon and Ian Lavery?

    Well done, MexicanPete. 🤩

    There are some truly outstanding names on that list for the Hateful Eight from the 2017-2019 Parly.

    Not Jeremy, though. I always had a soft spot for allotment gardeners, just like my grandfather In Llanelli.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945
    edited March 2021
    Duplicate
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945
    edited March 2021

    Its just a wierd story all round. I can't think why he would sit on the dead horse, or why someone would take a picture of it. I also think he has done nothing wrong, certainly nothing to prevent him doing his job as a trainer. And yet Tiger Roll is out of the grand national now.
    Isn't Tiger Roll out in a dispute over handicapping?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Positivity falling quickly too now:


    Below 1%

    Fantastic news. This wave is now well behind us as far as I'm concerned that. I say while waiting for my own result LOL.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    edited March 2021
    DougSeal said:
    This is actually quite big if it turns out to be the case. The working hypothesis has been that T-Cell immunity would remain strong even where variants began to evade antibodies and this, I think, is the first paper that has varified it. It hasn't been reviewed yet but it does give a lot of hope that vaccines and prior infection will help beat this thing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    kle4 said:

    You're making the classic mistake of not liking one position so making the opposite moderate by default. Thats complete nonsense.

    Grieve had a very fanatical and uncompromising position, accepting no compromise whatsoever. People might think that was right and correct, lets say for sake of argument that it was, but it was an extreme position within the chamber and politics.

    People end up using moderate or extreme as a synonym for good or bad, but that's not the case. MaxPB clearly takes Grieves extremism as bad, but others loved his extreme position as good, even as some sought compromise like Clarke (no less an EU supporter).

    He held an extreme position in the context of the debate, I think its absurd to deny that, whether one thought he was right or wrong.

    I switched to backing a second ref and remain position, but that doesn't magically make Grieve a moderate on the Brexit debates. His intellect and creative use of arcane procedure doesnt change that, and I think it very petty people refuse to accept the man was an outlier, in context an extreme position holder.
    Grieve got so convoluted in his smart-arse efforts to kill Brexit, he even ended up voting against his own motion.

    His efforts owed nothing to protecting democracy. Good riddance.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    DougSeal said:

    That is very good news on T-cell mediated immunity.

    Interesting that it is not just antibody epitopes (binding points on the virus), but also the T-cell epitopes, that seem highly constrained and highly conserved. Also very good news.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    Cases. You want a big number, getting bigger, not the reverse.
    OK - quite a weird stat for something that is so variable. Could they just post the weekly rate of change to show the same thing?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Perhaps he was in support of something EFTA which had a plurality of voter support at one stage.

    Grieve-haters just reveal themselves as...impatient with parliamentary procedure.
    Nah, he voted against that. His goal was to tie up the referendum result indefinitely so that the UK didn't leave the EU. That was very plainly obvious. Boris kicking him and the rest out of the party was a good move.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Grieve got so convoluted in his smart-arse efforts to kill Brexit, he even ended up voting against his own motion.

    His efforts owed nothing to protecting democracy. Good riddance.
    Dominic Grieve twinned with Mitch McConnell.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    MaxPB said:

    No data from Scotland since the 24th onwards. Better to look at the England only data which is down to 624 new hospitalisations per day and just under 11k currently in hospital.
    Cool thanks
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327

    Well done, MexicanPete. 🤩

    There are some truly outstanding names on that list for the Hateful Eight from the 20172019 Parly.

    Not Jeremy, though. I always had a soft spot for allotment gardeners, just like my grandfather In Llanelli.
    Sadly there is no room for Alun (I doubt he makes the top 100 despicables) but I am ashamed of myself for missing out IDS!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    As you are in Scotland is your comment directed at Sturgeon whose record on nursing homes is abymissal
    Much better in recent months than south of the border, though, on crude stats, which is interesting. Not least because the Kent strain is also known in Scotland. Will need a lot of sorting out to see what was going on.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    DougSeal said:

    This is actually quite big if it turns out to be the case. The working hypothesis has been that T-Cell immunity would remain strong even where variants began to evade antibodies and this, I think, is the first paper that has varified it. It hasn't been reviewed yet but it does give a lot of hope that vaccines and prior infection will help beat this thing.
    Its funny how many 'experts' have weighed in about vaccine evasion, and re-infection etc, yet the real immunologists have almost all quietly been confident based on T-cells. Same effect in SARS, even 20 years after infection. I'm not saying there is not need to be concerned about variants, but some of the hyperbole has been ridiculous.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    dixiedean said:

    Duplicate

    Possibly - I may have conflated the two stories.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834

    Below 1%

    Fantastic news. This wave is now well behind us as far as I'm concerned that. I say while waiting for my own result LOL.
    This is very interesting: it's the first time I've seen the rate of decrease accelerate - and even while the number of tests carried out is sky high. This must be the vaccine effect finally kicking in.

    The line showing deaths has also remained surprisingly straight for a long time - another week of this and we'll be at zero (albeit that we'll still be reporting historical deaths).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited March 2021

    NHS wants you to think they are still busy?
    They are busy.

    Facilities are still set aside for far larger than normal ICUs, and they still need to be ready for a resurgence. And they are trying to get other services back rolling eg most routine diabetic service consultations will have been by phone for the last year. Need to be face to face. And some services have really slowed down.

    I viisited the local DH yesterday for a blood extraction. And had a phone appointment with a Nurse Consultant today. Discussed NHS status on both occasions.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    Its funny how many 'experts' have weighed in about vaccine evasion, and re-infection etc, yet the real immunologists have almost all quietly been confident based on T-cells. Same effect in SARS, even 20 years after infection. I'm not saying there is not need to be concerned about variants, but some of the hyperbole has been ridiculous.
    Paging @Leon
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    Its funny how many 'experts' have weighed in about vaccine evasion, and re-infection etc, yet the real immunologists have almost all quietly been confident based on T-cells. Same effect in SARS, even 20 years after infection. I'm not saying there is not need to be concerned about variants, but some of the hyperbole has been ridiculous.
    The hyperbole is purely to scare people
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,233
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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    Excellent work by Alliance for Unity in promoting tactical voting to beat the SNP

    Yeah right, I bet it has every bit as much success as the Lib Dem/Green/Plaid Cymru tactical voting strategy.

    People don't do tactical voting. Its BS losers scream about to convince themselves they're not on a losing ticket.

    As probably will be all those lost regional list votes.
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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    MattW said:

    They are busy.

    Facilities are still set aside for far larger than normal ICUs, and they still need to be ready for a resurgence. And they are trying to get other services back rolling eg most routine diabetic service consultations will have been by phone for the last year. Need to be face to face. And some services have really slowed down.

    I viisited the local DH yesterday for a blood extraction. And had a phone appointment with a Nurse Consultant today. Discussed NHS status on both occasions.
    Our ICU are over capacity, and also taking capacity transfers from elsewhere in the Midlands. Not as bad as a month ago though.
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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945
    MattW said:

    Horse was a racehorse that died of a heart attack on the gallops.

    I think it's about the alleged and callousness concerning the welfare of horses, and insufficient dignity accorded to the noble animal etc.

    I was hoping to smoke out some animal rights types to find out. I'm rather unemotional about pet dogs and so on, and was quite happy that my cat lived in the shed rather than in a scented cat divan.

    He's even had his Racing License suspended "whilst we investigate". The charge is "bringing racing into disrepute".

    I can see that sanctions would be appropriate if he had been horsing around. But afaics he wasn't. The only thing I can see is the peace sign with the other hand.
    More dead horse antics here.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/56250379

    The whole thing is most bizarre. The actions, the filming, the ludicrous reaction, the acres of coverage.
    Is this behaviour common?
    And if so why? At the least it is unhygienic.
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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945
    MattW said:

    Horse was a racehorse that died of a heart attack on the gallops.

    I think it's about the alleged and callousness concerning the welfare of horses, and insufficient dignity accorded to the noble animal etc.

    I was hoping to smoke out some animal rights types to find out. I'm rather unemotional about pet dogs and so on, and was quite happy that my cat lived in the shed rather than in a scented cat divan.

    He's even had his Racing License suspended "whilst we investigate". The charge is "bringing racing into disrepute".

    I can see that sanctions would be appropriate if he had been horsing around. But afaics he wasn't. The only thing I can see is the peace sign with the other hand.
    More dead horse antics here.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/56250379

    The whole thing is most bizarre. The actions, the filming, the ludicrous reaction, the acres of coverage.
    Is this behaviour common?
    And if so why? At the least it is unhygienic.
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited March 2021

    Yeah right, I bet it has every bit as much success as the Lib Dem/Green/Plaid Cymru tactical voting strategy.

    People don't do tactical voting. Its BS losers scream about to convince themselves they're not on a losing ticket.

    As probably will be all those lost regional list votes.
    Did have a few successes eg St Albans, Richmond Park. It also was a major factor in Labour and LD gains in 1997 and 2001.

    Plus it is more relevant at Holyrood where just a few constituency seats lost by the SNP could lose them their majority as the Unionist parties will win most of the list seats, with Alliance for Unity picking up any list seats where the Unionists make constituency gains thanks to tactical voting
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,031
    Phil said:

    The woke people I happen to follow on Twitter thought the womxn thing was hilarious. Not a term they would have chosen in a million years (IIRC it has a 70s RadFem heritage - taking "men" out of the name for "women" etc etc).

    Meanwhile I’m sure the Mr/Mrs Potato-Head thing is a subtle bit of right-wing trolling by the relevant brand managers: what better way to get your product into the press (for free!) right now than a spot of gender re-branding to trigger the right-wing press? It’s perfect.
    The technical term is an O'Leary.
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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2021
    HYUFD said:

    Did have a few successes eg St Albans, Richmond Park. It also was a major factor in Labour and LD gains in 1997 and 2001.

    Plus it is more relevant at Holyrood where just a few constituency seats lost by the SNP could lose them their majority as the Unionist parties will win most of the list seats, with Alliance for Unity picking up any list seats where the Unionists make constituency gains thanks to tactical voting
    Yeah right.

    Remind me what percentage share of the vote you need to get to pick up a list vote? What percentage of the vote are Alliance for Unity currently polling that you expect them to be picking up multiple seats?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2021
    The best tactical thing "Alliance for Unity" could do is to disband never to be heard of again.

    In 2016 UKIP got 2% of the List vote and a grand total of 0 seats. Great job. The opinion polls don't put the vanity project Alliance for Unity ahead of where UKIP was. Anyone voting on the List for Alliance for Unity are throwing away their vote making it more likely the SNP or Greens take the seat instead.
  • HYUFD said:

    Did have a few successes eg St Albans, Richmond Park. It also was a major factor in Labour and LD gains in 1997 and 2001.

    Plus it is more relevant at Holyrood where just a few constituency seats lost by the SNP could lose them their majority as the Unionist parties will win most of the list seats, with Alliance for Unity picking up any list seats where the Unionists make constituency gains thanks to tactical voting
    St Albans was one of the seats with both Lib Dem and Green candidates. Daisy still won nevertheless.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    dixiedean said:

    More dead horse antics here.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/56250379

    The whole thing is most bizarre. The actions, the filming, the ludicrous reaction, the acres of coverage.
    Is this behaviour common?
    And if so why? At the least it is unhygienic.
    Uniform hostility on the H&H forum:

    https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/threads/gordon-elliott.802123/

    And there's another one. Rob James.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/56250379
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    St Albans was one of the seats with both Lib Dem and Green candidates. Daisy still won nevertheless.
    Almost as if pacts and "tactical voting" don't matter.

    Having candidates or parties popular in the local area is what matters.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,774
    Selebian said:

    Well, I always assumed that was what it stood for. What else could it have been? Don't think it was advanced train protection.

    Although, you might have thought they would have invited a livelier lineup... Not a great deal of energy on display.
    Advanced Turbo-Prop... three decades or so back.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    MattW said:

    Horse was a racehorse that died of a heart attack on the gallops.

    I think it's about the alleged and callousness concerning the welfare of horses, and insufficient dignity accorded to the noble animal etc.

    I was hoping to smoke out some animal rights types to find out. I'm rather unemotional about pet dogs and so on, and was quite happy that my cat lived in the shed rather than in a scented cat divan.

    He's even had his Racing License suspended "whilst we investigate". The charge is "bringing racing into disrepute".

    I can see that sanctions would be appropriate if he had been horsing around. But afaics he wasn't. The only thing I can see is the peace sign with the other hand.
    I found the story distasteful, as it is disrespectful to the horse, which deserves to be afforded dignity in death.

    That said, I suspect it has gone too far. The jockey is obviously contrite and it was a stupid act photographing the incident in the first place. If he apologises, that should be the end of it, I think.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,980

    The best tactical thing "Alliance for Unity" could do is to disband never to be heard of again.

    In 2016 UKIP got 2% of the List vote and a grand total of 0 seats. Great job. The opinion polls don't put the vanity project Alliance for Unity ahead of where UKIP was. Anyone voting on the List for Alliance for Unity are throwing away their vote making it more likely the SNP or Greens take the seat instead.

    It's a vanity trip by Galloway with the usual gang of waifs and strays who can't make it in one of the recognised parties. He adds to the gaiety of nations, I suppose. But what I don't understand is why he, himself, isn't standing for the list in Glasgow which is the one region where he might conceivably get somewhere.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited March 2021
    theProle said:

    Kept the boiler and radiators, but re-plumbed it all, relocated the boiler, and put a extra radiator in the bathroom.

    I'm a bit puzzled why this should cost so much more down South - the materials should cost about the same. Presumably trademans rates are higher (because of the cost of housing?), but it still seems long way adrift!

    I also only paid £90k for the house about 8 years ago, so it's cost me about £130k all up (it was done up about 2 years ago after I decided it really was beyond DIY level to do properly). Why anyone in their right mind lives in the SE I've no idea...!
    They are more expensive, but there are reasons at least for some of it. In London it is because of travel time, parking passes, parking ticket, congestion charge, scaffolding on pavement licences, skip prices and licences, and so on.

    And because they often have more money to throw around, and less time, so perhaps do not negotiate or the "I am better earning more money to pay someone earning less" thing has a different balance.

    There are accepted regional price variations as a multiplier on estimates. If you look in SPONS (Architect's Bible) it has a table. This is an example from a couple of years ago:

    Outer London (Spon’s 2016) 1.00
    Inner London 1.06
    South East 1.04
    South West 0.95
    East of England 0.95
    East Midlands 0.90
    West Midlands 0.88
    Northern 0.94
    North West 0.92
    Yorkshire and Humberside 0.91
    Wales 0.95

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,842

    The problem is big companies are buying into this shit. Coke, with their be less white, Twitch with womxn, Mr / Mrs Potato-head gone.
    I don't know what Twitch is, I am not a frequent purchaser of Mr Potato head products, and I can't remember the last time I had a can of cancer juice from the Coca Cola family. The way to sort it is to ignore their shitty products.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,842
    edited March 2021
    dupe
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Bit thick here - what doubling rate? Cases? Deaths?
    I don't understand that list either.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    HYUFD said:

    Voters can be so frustrating sometimes.
    What do we want? Free stuff! Who should pay for it? Someone else!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,774
    rcs1000 said:

    That's a very interesting idea - albeit not one I know enough about. My gut (dangerous thing, guts) tells me that showing the immune system two slightly different invaders is probably a better idea than showing them two of the same.
    I suspect you could mix any two of the approved vaccines in that way, to good effect.
    They're doing at least one trial (AZN/Pfizer), and no doubt there will be more.

    The scale and breadth of mass analytic techniques being brought to the pandemic are unlike anything seen before, so we will learn a huge amount, and not just about vaccines.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    I don't understand that list either.
    Its a stupid stat to use with such data. Weekly or monthly trend would make more sense.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited March 2021

    The best tactical thing "Alliance for Unity" could do is to disband never to be heard of again.

    In 2016 UKIP got 2% of the List vote and a grand total of 0 seats. Great job. The opinion polls don't put the vanity project Alliance for Unity ahead of where UKIP was. Anyone voting on the List for Alliance for Unity are throwing away their vote making it more likely the SNP or Greens take the seat instead.

    Wrong.

    Not only are they encouraging tactical voting which is pivotal to beat the SNP on the constituency vote, as they are not standing on the constituency vote but only on the list they may also take list seats that might otherwise go to the Greens or Independence for Scotland Party who are also only standing on the list
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