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Brian Rose, the surprise second favourite for the London Mayoralty, is now out to 32 on Betfair – po

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited February 20 in General
imageBrian Rose, the surprise second favourite for the London Mayoralty, is now out to 32 on Betfair – politicalbetting.com

In previous years when there has been a London mayoral election it has been a major political betting event. That has been much less so this year because the incumbent, Sadiq Khan, looks totally dominant and all the polling has him clearly ahead.

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  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 6,560
    Test
  • Why are we even mentioning this con man?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 39,814
    In bigger news, the Cambridge Moonflower is opening:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-56139243
  • RobDRobD Posts: 53,066

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    I could have sworn it was Palatial Betting.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 39,814
    thread-header typo: "An independent has in the past won the London mayoral...
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,224

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    There's been a name-change from Pandemical Betting?!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 4,922

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    These figures are almost TOO good.
  • agingjb2agingjb2 Posts: 11
    RobD said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    I could have sworn it was Palatial Betting.
    I remain convinced that PB abbreviates Partisan Bile.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 40,135

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    There's been a name-change from Pandemical Betting?!
    :lol: Pandemical Panic if @eadric or @Leon is online.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 39,814

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    Spin on that, Bastard Bug!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 40,135
    DougSeal said:

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    These figures are almost TOO good.
    Should we be planning to revaccinate everyone who has had AZ with Pfizer later in the year?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 22,793
    RobD said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    I could have sworn it was Palatial Betting.
    And I thought it was political botting...
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,865
    FPT

    Gaussian said:
    » show previous quotes
    Cases were falling fastest a couple of weeks ago and have now slowed down a bit. That slowdown would normally feed through into hospitalisations and deaths in a week or three as well, although this time the vaccines kicking in should mean that they'll keep falling more than cases.

    Mind you, if cases start rising, as they're threatening to do in Scotland, that could easily cancel out the vaccine effect.



    On a 7 day moving average I make R:

    cases 0.81
    admissions 0.78
    in hospital 0.79
    ventilators 0.84
    deaths 0.72

    At least R is significantly lower than 1 in all metrics.

    I think the most important metric is hospital admissions.
    Cases might include very slight symptoms or none at all.

    In the first wave, peak admissions was 7th April at 3,115
    Lowest was 25th August at 95! Everyone relaxed
    In the second wave peak admissions was 12th January at 4,204. At bursting point.
    It is now 1,545 and halving every 20 days (R= 0.78)
    so if this continues:
    12th March 772
    1st April 366
    21st April 183
    11th May 90 - relax again
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 11,196
    James Rodriguez to Richarlison.
    Boom!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 39,814
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    I could have sworn it was Palatial Betting.
    And I thought it was political botting...
    Oh, sorry - I've thought all these years it was political baiting..... Have I been doing it wrong then?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 36,555
    DougSeal said:
    It's even worse than that in California. There are more than TWO MILLION doses that are currently unused because of a totally fucked up distribution system.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 22,793
    rcs1000 said:

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    So... it's more effective at preventing serious disease than death?
    Presumably meaning an increased mortality rate in those who do get seriously ill.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,865
    My lays of Brian Rose


    Then my bank (Lloyds) restricted my transfers to Betfair to £25 a day to protect me!

    Overall I have laid Rose £1,400 to win £250. It's the nearest to free money I have ever come across.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 13,441
    Barnesian said:

    FPT

    Gaussian said:
    » show previous quotes
    Cases were falling fastest a couple of weeks ago and have now slowed down a bit. That slowdown would normally feed through into hospitalisations and deaths in a week or three as well, although this time the vaccines kicking in should mean that they'll keep falling more than cases.

    Mind you, if cases start rising, as they're threatening to do in Scotland, that could easily cancel out the vaccine effect.



    On a 7 day moving average I make R:

    cases 0.81
    admissions 0.78
    in hospital 0.79
    ventilators 0.84
    deaths 0.72

    At least R is significantly lower than 1 in all metrics.

    I think the most important metric is hospital admissions.
    Cases might include very slight symptoms or none at all.

    In the first wave, peak admissions was 7th April at 3,115
    Lowest was 25th August at 95! Everyone relaxed
    In the second wave peak admissions was 12th January at 4,204. At bursting point.
    It is now 1,545 and halving every 20 days (R= 0.78)
    so if this continues:
    12th March 772
    1st April 366
    21st April 183
    11th May 90 - relax again

    Hospital admissions R

    image
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 4,922

    DougSeal said:

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    These figures are almost TOO good.
    Should we be planning to revaccinate everyone who has had AZ with Pfizer later in the year?
    I meant it. I think that they are too good. Far too good.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,035

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    There's been a name-change from Pandemical Betting?!
    :lol: Pandemical Panic if @eadric or @Leon is online.
    To name but two.

    Although how you square his panic stricken posts with his countrywide touring every time the government requires us to stay at home, is another matter.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 47,588
    edited February 20
    Drakeford extends his lead, Foster & Sturgeon tied:

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1363158586793336840?s=20
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 793
    rcs1000 said:

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    So... it's more effective at preventing serious disease than death?
    Remember these efficacy numbers are relative to what happens without the vaccine, so that scenario is possible.

    Maybe more pertinently though, the absolute number of serious cases and deaths in the vaccine arm will be extremely small given those percentages, which means their confidence intervals probably overlap quite a bit.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 5,496
    edited February 20
    Barnesian said:

    My lays of Brian Rose


    Then my bank (Lloyds) restricted my transfers to Betfair to £25 a day to protect me!

    Overall I have laid Rose £1,400 to win £250. It's the nearest to free money I have ever come across.

    Our books are very similar. You got slightly better odds than me. Overall I`ve laid Rose £1,326 to win £197 (7.73 average odds).
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,865
    edited February 20

    Barnesian said:

    FPT

    Gaussian said:
    » show previous quotes
    Cases were falling fastest a couple of weeks ago and have now slowed down a bit. That slowdown would normally feed through into hospitalisations and deaths in a week or three as well, although this time the vaccines kicking in should mean that they'll keep falling more than cases.

    Mind you, if cases start rising, as they're threatening to do in Scotland, that could easily cancel out the vaccine effect.



    On a 7 day moving average I make R:

    cases 0.81
    admissions 0.78
    in hospital 0.79
    ventilators 0.84
    deaths 0.72

    At least R is significantly lower than 1 in all metrics.

    I think the most important metric is hospital admissions.
    Cases might include very slight symptoms or none at all.

    In the first wave, peak admissions was 7th April at 3,115
    Lowest was 25th August at 95! Everyone relaxed
    In the second wave peak admissions was 12th January at 4,204. At bursting point.
    It is now 1,545 and halving every 20 days (R= 0.78)
    so if this continues:
    12th March 772
    1st April 366
    21st April 183
    11th May 90 - relax again

    Hospital admissions R

    image
    How are you computing R?

    I'm comparing the 7 day moving average with that of 7 days ago. UK data



  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 20,085
    rcs1000 said:

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    So... it's more effective at preventing serious disease than death?
    Clearly a flawed study. An even bigger problem is the Pfizer figures are compared to those of the unvaccinated naive population. This skews the picture since it excludes the more savvy types who would by definition be more risk aware about the virus. Sloppy from Israel.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 793
    rcs1000 said:

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    The key thing there is the first line: if Pfizer is 96% effective at stopping any measurable infection, then it's not turning people into asymptomatic superspreaders.

    And, one would imagine, if it's true of Pfizer, it will be true of Moderna, and to a lesser extent AZ and Novavax too.

    For the purposes of modelling, a person who has been vaccinated twice is not going to be spreading CV19, and that means we can be extremely confident that R is going to start heading down pretty sharp-ish.

    Excellent news all round.
    Yep, on those numbers, herd immunity should be achievable as long as vaccine take-up is good enough. Extremely good news.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 19,480
    Barnesian said:

    My lays of Brian Rose


    Then my bank (Lloyds) restricted my transfers to Betfair to £25 a day to protect me!

    Overall I have laid Rose £1,400 to win £250. It's the nearest to free money I have ever come across.

    Mad respect for that 1 Pence @6.2

    Gotta get the value.
  • Sadiq 1-500 in London. Will probably win on first ballot.

    Tories will be sitting at home rather than voting. Or if we are lucky, in the pub! 👍
  • Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    I could have sworn it was Palatial Betting.
    And I thought it was political botting...
    I was convinced it was pedantic betting.
  • Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    So... it's more effective at preventing serious disease than death?
    Presumably meaning an increased mortality rate in those who do get seriously ill.
    @Foxy, may I trespass on your kindness and ask a question?

    My relative on ventilation is not doing well. The ICU consultant has had a serious talk with his wife.

    The doctor has said that he is no longer suitable for ECMO, even though relatively young (40) and fit, because he has been on ventilation for over a week. His (the patient's) wife, who is a nurse, looked this up and can't see it in the ECMO guidelines, and was wondering where it comes from. She's understandably in a bit of a state and is casting around for information.

    Do you happen to know what the reason is for not allowing people who have been on ventilation for a week to go on ECMO? I know it's not your area but wondered if you happened to have local info.

    We're not under any illusions about his chances though (as you've mentioned) if hope were lost they wouldn't continue treatment. It's his wife and kids I feel for the most.

    --AS
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,865
    Stocky said:

    Barnesian said:

    My lays of Brian Rose


    Then my bank (Lloyds) restricted my transfers to Betfair to £25 a day to protect me!

    Overall I have laid Rose £1,400 to win £250. It's the nearest to free money I have ever come across.

    Our books are very similar. You got slightly better odds than me. Overall I`ve laid Rose £1,326 to win £197 (7.73 average odds).
    My average odds are 6.7. Yes, very similar.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 22,793

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    I could have sworn it was Palatial Betting.
    And I thought it was political botting...
    I was convinced it was pedantic betting.
    Or pedantic biting...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 83,716
    Brian Rose is a former New York city and London banker and an anti lockdown campaigner.

    He is clearly trying to position himself as the main candidate of the populist right to take on Mayor Khan rather than the more mainstream Shaun Bailey
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 19,480

    Drakeford extends his lead, Foster & Sturgeon tied:

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1363158586793336840?s=20

    Wales and Scotland have exploded on 2nd jabs, Wales has done more 2nd jabs over the last 3 days than England.

    I wonder when England will kick in?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,865
    HYUFD said:

    Brian Rose is a former New York city and London banker and an anti lockdown campaigner.

    He is clearly trying to position himself as the main candidate of the populist right to take on Mayor Khan rather than the more mainstream Shaun Bailey

    IIRC In the latest poll he was *.
  • Dirty Everton doing a dirty tackle from behind on Henderson.

    Are they trying to take out all our players?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 57,426
    edited February 20
    Its also not true. £13.99 is for 4k content....the BBC doesn't have 4k. Its £9.99 for HD, but still superior quality than iPlayer.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 20,085
    edited February 20
    @Barnesian @Stocky (Rose) -

    Well done. I am only half the man that you are.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 20,085

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    I could have sworn it was Palatial Betting.
    And I thought it was political botting...
    I was convinced it was pedantic betting.
    PureBaloney.com in your case, Philip. :smile:
  • kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    I could have sworn it was Palatial Betting.
    And I thought it was political botting...
    I was convinced it was pedantic betting.
    PureBaloney.com in your case, Philip. :smile:
    Not sure if you saw my reply FPT but you're the one who wants expenditure going to infinity and beyond.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 20,085

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    I could have sworn it was Palatial Betting.
    And I thought it was political botting...
    I was convinced it was pedantic betting.
    PureBaloney.com in your case, Philip. :smile:
    Not sure if you saw my reply FPT but you're the one who wants expenditure going to infinity and beyond.
    No, I didn't see it. Just as well by the sounds of it.
  • MattW said:
    Why is this meant to be a bad thing?

    EU students are being put on a level footing with Rest of the World students and why shouldn't they be?

    Presumably unis if they're struggling to get students can drop the Rest of the World price if they want to be but why should they discriminate against Africans or Asians over Europeans?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 57,426
    edited February 20
    How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 4,922

    MattW said:
    Why is this meant to be a bad thing?

    EU students are being put on a level footing with Rest of the World students and why shouldn't they be?

    Presumably unis if they're struggling to get students can drop the Rest of the World price if they want to be but why should they discriminate against Africans or Asians over Europeans?
    Nice to think that this sort of thing will be possible come September.
  • How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.

    Because the BBC has completely lost its way.

    It really needs privatising to sink or swim because it's just becoming embarrassingly poor now.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,037

    Its also not true. £13.99 is for 4k content....the BBC doesn't have 4k. Its £9.99 for HD, but still superior quality than iPlayer.
    Also - if I don't want Netflix I can stop subscribing - therefore the content tends to have a reasonable quality to prevent this
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,037
    edited February 20
    Duplicate
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 57,426
    edited February 20

    How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.

    Because the BBC has completely lost its way.

    It really needs privatising to sink or swim because it's just becoming embarrassingly poor now.
    I suspect the reason is iPlayer tech is so crap it can't handle it. Remember for far too long it was built on using Abode Flash.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 14,488

    Its also not true. £13.99 is for 4k content....the BBC doesn't have 4k. Its £9.99 for HD, but still superior quality than iPlayer.
    Also - if I don't want Netflix I can stop subscribing - therefore the content tends to have a reasonable quality to prevent this
    You can also share Netflix accounts. I still use my ex-girlfriend's account, for example. B)
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 8,255

    Drakeford extends his lead, Foster & Sturgeon tied:

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1363158586793336840?s=20

    Mark Drakeford, Lord Falconer and Sir Kier Starmer walk into a bar. Barman says: “Is this some kind of joke?”
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 6,568
    The BBC haters really seem to have a bee in their bonnet.

    I did find it interesting though that, according to Wikipedia, regarding “It’s A Sin”:

    The show's subject matter of HIV and AIDS was difficult to sell to broadcasters. BBC One and ITV declined to develop the series and Channel 4 only took it on after their commissioning editor of drama, Lee Mason fought for it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 57,426
    edited February 20

    Its also not true. £13.99 is for 4k content....the BBC doesn't have 4k. Its £9.99 for HD, but still superior quality than iPlayer.
    Also - if I don't want Netflix I can stop subscribing - therefore the content tends to have a reasonable quality to prevent this
    Revolutionary idea.....instead I have to pay the telly tax despite never watching any BBC shows, because I need it to watch Sky Sports (in 4K).
  • How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.

    Because the BBC has completely lost its way.

    It really needs privatising to sink or swim because it's just becoming embarrassingly poor now.
    I suspect the reason is iPlayer tech is so crap it can't handle it. Remember for far too long it was built on using Abode Flash.
    Indeed. Because they've not built it as a selling point but rather as a boxing ticking exercise.

    If they were wanting to ensure they kept subscribers it would be much better than it is.
  • glwglw Posts: 7,225
    edited February 20

    Its also not true. £13.99 is for 4k content....the BBC doesn't have 4k. Its £9.99 for HD, but still superior quality than iPlayer.
    It's a particularly poor argument when young people (under 30) watch more Netflix than all BBC output combined. Netflix is not a niche service to the young, it is TV. The BBC is what their grandparents watch.

    Mind you when you go even further down the age range it's YouTube that is TV.
  • The BBC haters really seem to have a bee in their bonnet.

    I did find it interesting though that, according to Wikipedia, regarding “It’s A Sin”:

    The show's subject matter of HIV and AIDS was difficult to sell to broadcasters. BBC One and ITV declined to develop the series and Channel 4 only took it on after their commissioning editor of drama, Lee Mason fought for it.

    People being compelled to pay for something shit just because they want something else are liable to get annoyed by it.

    Make the Licence Fee a voluntary subscription and there'd be no reason to have a bee in the bonnet, can just unsubscribe instead.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 8,255

    How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.

    Indeed. It’s pathetic. As is the fact that they STILL have SD only for the London news. Really. The screen goes blank unless you switch over to the SD channel. Absolutely shit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 57,426
    edited February 20
    glw said:

    Its also not true. £13.99 is for 4k content....the BBC doesn't have 4k. Its £9.99 for HD, but still superior quality than iPlayer.
    It's a particularly poor argument when young people (under 30) watch more Netflix than all BBC output combined. Netflix is not a niche service to the young, it is TV. The BBC is what their grandparents watch.

    Mind you when you go even further down the age range it's YouTube that is TV.
    As you say YouTube is the thing now....gone are the days of hours of cat videos. Increasingly it is incredibly highly produced stuff again normally in 4k e.g. Linus Tech Tips puts out about 30-40 mins of content a day, which is far higher quality than BBC Click that is 30 mins a week.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 39,814

    How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.

    Any other business of this scale, a fuck-up of their product like this and Board members would have been sacked, to try and prevent the whole thing collapsing. The market would have no faith in their ability to turn it around.

    They are so lucky to have the licence fee that has shielded them from this reality. The BBC continues to live in an unreality bubble.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 152
    Rose has made money off COVID-19 conspiracy theories. As the US has shown recently, conspiracy theories can get you some of the way, but I think the London public are sensible enough that his brand of nonsense won't go very far. The conspiracy theorist vote may also be split with Piers Corbyn standing!

    So does that mean Shaun Bailey will come a poor second, or is there a candidate who can hoover up an anti-Sadiq vote?
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,187
    edited February 20

    The BBC haters really seem to have a bee in their bonnet.

    I did find it interesting though that, according to Wikipedia, regarding “It’s A Sin”:

    The show's subject matter of HIV and AIDS was difficult to sell to broadcasters. BBC One and ITV declined to develop the series and Channel 4 only took it on after their commissioning editor of drama, Lee Mason fought for it.

    Jesus. It’s been some of the best TV I’ve seen in years. Well written, and actually ABOUT something. In its place, the traditionalist BBC and ITV drama commissioners have presumably commissioned yet another detective series each, or possibly something like a whimsical series about a 1950s GP practice.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,079
    IanB2 said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    There's been a name-change from Pandemical Betting?!
    :lol: Pandemical Panic if @eadric or @Leon is online.
    To name but two.

    Although how you square his panic stricken posts with his countrywide touring every time the government requires us to stay at home, is another matter.
    Guilt
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 65,213
    Alistair said:

    Drakeford extends his lead, Foster & Sturgeon tied:

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1363158586793336840?s=20

    Wales and Scotland have exploded on 2nd jabs, Wales has done more 2nd jabs over the last 3 days than England.

    I wonder when England will kick in?
    It looks that way, but Wales was actually a way behind on second jabs. Northern Ireland has done the most second jabs proportionately, 30753. Wales has done 32,002 till yesterday.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 22,793

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Wow. Just wow. Pfizer 98% at preventing symptoms after two weeks after 2nd dose.

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171

    So... it's more effective at preventing serious disease than death?
    Presumably meaning an increased mortality rate in those who do get seriously ill.
    @Foxy, may I trespass on your kindness and ask a question?

    My relative on ventilation is not doing well. The ICU consultant has had a serious talk with his wife.

    The doctor has said that he is no longer suitable for ECMO, even though relatively young (40) and fit, because he has been on ventilation for over a week. His (the patient's) wife, who is a nurse, looked this up and can't see it in the ECMO guidelines, and was wondering where it comes from. She's understandably in a bit of a state and is casting around for information.

    Do you happen to know what the reason is for not allowing people who have been on ventilation for a week to go on ECMO? I know it's not your area but wondered if you happened to have local info.

    We're not under any illusions about his chances though (as you've mentioned) if hope were lost they wouldn't continue treatment. It's his wife and kids I feel for the most.

    --AS
    Will send a message
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 57,426
    edited February 20

    The BBC haters really seem to have a bee in their bonnet.

    I did find it interesting though that, according to Wikipedia, regarding “It’s A Sin”:

    The show's subject matter of HIV and AIDS was difficult to sell to broadcasters. BBC One and ITV declined to develop the series and Channel 4 only took it on after their commissioning editor of drama, Lee Mason fought for it.

    Jesus. It’s been some of the best TV I’ve seen in years. Well written, and actually ABOUT something. In its place, the traditionalist BBC and ITV drama commissioners have presumably commissioned yet another detective series each, or possibly something like a whimsical series about a 1950s GP practice.
    Or yet another celebrity based show, perhaps with a quiz, doing some singing or making some pottery.
  • How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.

    Indeed. It’s pathetic. As is the fact that they STILL have SD only for the London news. Really. The screen goes blank unless you switch over to the SD channel. Absolutely shit.
    Not just London.

    Put the BBC on for a football game and forget about it and afterwards there'll be a red screen with text saying to change channels.

    This sort of stuff shouldn't have happened since the 20th century ended. Farcical.
  • glwglw Posts: 7,225

    The BBC haters really seem to have a bee in their bonnet.

    It's not hating the BBC to point out that the arguments about that fantastic value it represents are basically nonsense. Young people are already voting with their wallets and eyeballs for Netflix. To pretend that this isn't massive oncoming problem for the BBC is just delusional.

    The likes of Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV+ and more are spending a huge amount of money on programming that the BBC will struggle to match, because they sell their programming globally, and can reach huge audiences. The BBC's entire budget is about £5 billion a year. YouTube, with essentially no original programming, took in nearly $7 billion in Q4 alone. The BBC is not a big fish in a small pond when you look at media globally.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,079

    MattW said:
    Why is this meant to be a bad thing?

    EU students are being put on a level footing with Rest of the World students and why shouldn't they be?

    Presumably unis if they're struggling to get students can drop the Rest of the World price if they want to be but why should they discriminate against Africans or Asians over Europeans?
    It’s easier if they get a subsidy from the UK government
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,079

    Its also not true. £13.99 is for 4k content....the BBC doesn't have 4k. Its £9.99 for HD, but still superior quality than iPlayer.
    Also - if I don't want Netflix I can stop subscribing - therefore the content tends to have a reasonable quality to prevent this
    You can also share Netflix accounts. I still use my ex-girlfriend's account, for example. B)
    Does she know... otherwise you could have fun with the “because you watched” list
  • stodgestodge Posts: 8,288
    Evening all :)

    The Pfizer news is no surprise at all. From the very beginning, Pfizer have said that the meximum efficacy of their vaccine is achieved seven days after the second vaccination which should be 21 days after the first. It takes four weeks from the initial vaccination to achieve the very high levels of protection suggested.

    It may well be "newer vaccines" achieve similar results more quickly - progress can be rapid - and perhaps it won't be long before high levels of immunity are achieved within a week of a single vaccination - let's hope.

    I have always argued we should have followed the initial Pfizer recommendation and applied the second vaccination 21 days after the first but the Government took a different option based on the JCVI evidence at New Year. It doesn't much matter now to be honest.

    Getting the second doses moving now, whether Pfizer or Oxford AZ, is vital to ensuring we can emerge from the current restrictions in a better and stronger position.

    At the same time, we need to see evidence first doses are being applied through the population as consistently as possible and that some areas aren't being left behind for whatever reason while others are well through groups 1-7 for example.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 673
    edited February 20

    How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.

    Indeed. It’s pathetic. As is the fact that they STILL have SD only for the London news. Really. The screen goes blank unless you switch over to the SD channel. Absolutely shit.
    Not just London.

    Put the BBC on for a football game and forget about it and afterwards there'll be a red screen with text saying to change channels.

    This sort of stuff shouldn't have happened since the 20th century ended. Farcical.
    BBC Wales is in HD, so I'm sure the rest of England should be by now. (I think Scotland is the same).
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 5,613

    Drakeford extends his lead, Foster & Sturgeon tied:

    Ah, Drakeford, Drakeford ... But to be a real winner, he needs a complete makeover because no-one votes for a tired old booby of an academic.

    This is what I see happening.

    27 Feb, 18.20 hrs, Wales win the Triple Crown.

    Drakeford grabs the populist moment. He says, in a voice cracking with emotion, "Some things are way more important than life and death. I am opening the pubs for 24 hours to celebrate beating England. Let's get drinking."

    27 Feb, 23.00 hrs.

    A "tired and emotional" Drakeford is pictured brawling with a photographer, after being sick under the statue of Aneurin Bevin in Queen Street. Drakeford hails a cab in the company of two young people he refers to as "My Little Welsh Easter Bunnies".

    28 Feb, 10.00 hrs.

    Grace & Sheena tell of their Three-in-a-Bed Romp with Drakeford at the Cardiff Radisson. "He hits the spot", says Grace from Splott, "He's hard all the time. He really is the up-and-coming man in Welsh politics", says Sheena from Rhiwbena.

    28 Feb, 16.00 hrs.

    Drakeford announces that he is changing his name to Big_M_Cymru, which is more in keeping with his soaring popularity. @Big_G_North_Wales leaves the Tory Party. "Finally, I have found the two-fisted He-Man politician of my dreams", Big_G confesses.

    20 March, 22.00 hrs, Wales win the Grand Slam.

    The air is full of singing, led by Big_M. The pubs are full of drinking, led by Big_M. The Tory leader Andrew RT Davies resigns, he realises the position is now absolutely hopeless.

    6 May, 24.00 hrs.

    Big_M sweeps the Senedd elections. His book on "How my Penis wins a Grand Slam every time" is top of the best sellers'.

    7 May, 9.00 hrs.

    SKS asks Big_M for help in changing his image from a miserable old git to a sexy socialist. "People find me boring' says Sir Keir sadly.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 31,079

    The BBC haters really seem to have a bee in their bonnet.

    I did find it interesting though that, according to Wikipedia, regarding “It’s A Sin”:

    The show's subject matter of HIV and AIDS was difficult to sell to broadcasters. BBC One and ITV declined to develop the series and Channel 4 only took it on after their commissioning editor of drama, Lee Mason fought for it.

    Jesus. It’s been some of the best TV I’ve seen in years. Well written, and actually ABOUT something. In its place, the traditionalist BBC and ITV drama commissioners have presumably commissioned yet another detective series each, or possibly something like a whimsical series about a 1950s GP practice.
    Or yet another celebrity based show, perhaps with a quiz, doing some singing or making some pottery.
    MTV is pushing “celebs on the farm” at the moment.

    I wonder if they invited Rebecca Loos? They’d be swine to have done so although I reckon she’d be chicken
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,187
    I don’t go in for “abolish the BBC” sentiment, but I do think that it needs to narrows its remit and strip back. If it does anything but news and current affairs, it should be disrupting the market, taking risks, and making programmes nobody else will in order to show that there’s a market for them. And then it should step back.

    Put another way, it should have been first to make It’s a Sin, but it should sell the rights to make Call the Midwife and Casualty to somebody else.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,035
    HYUFD said:

    Brian Rose is a former New York city and London banker and an anti lockdown campaigner.

    He is clearly trying to position himself as the main candidate of the populist right to take on Mayor Khan rather than the more mainstream Shaun Bailey

    Lol @ mainstream
  • stodgestodge Posts: 8,288
    As for Brian Rose, I've read his half-baked manifesto and it has more than a whiff of ill thought-out authoritarianism. It's hardly populist as @HYUFD claims.

    The fact is in all polls Rose is getting nothing and part of me wonders whether his candidacy is an attempt to play the exchanges and the betting market.

    He is present on various social media platforms but there's no sign of this getting any traction. The polls have consistently had Khan just below 50%, Bailey just below 30% and both Porritt and Berry around 10% with the fragments including 2% for Peter Gammons.

    It's possible Khan will take us on the first ballot but even if Bailey pushed him to a second ballot it looks as though Khan would get 63-64%. The polls have been remarkably consistent since last August.
  • How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.

    Indeed. It’s pathetic. As is the fact that they STILL have SD only for the London news. Really. The screen goes blank unless you switch over to the SD channel. Absolutely shit.
    Not just London.

    Put the BBC on for a football game and forget about it and afterwards there'll be a red screen with text saying to change channels.

    This sort of stuff shouldn't have happened since the 20th century ended. Farcical.
    BBC Wales is in HD, so I'm sure the rest of England should be by now. (I think Scotland is the same).
    Last time I had it on BBC Northwest news was still SD only. No idea if it still is.

    Don't watch it often though, as I said normally if I have it on its because England were playing ont he Beeb and I haven't bothered switching over afterwards.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 33,035
    What a weird, dysfunctional decade the 80s was.

    Yet its music endures.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,187
    stodge said:

    As for Brian Rose, I've read his half-baked manifesto and it has more than a whiff of ill thought-out authoritarianism. It's hardly populist as @HYUFD claims.

    The fact is in all polls Rose is getting nothing and part of me wonders whether his candidacy is an attempt to play the exchanges and the betting market.

    He is present on various social media platforms but there's no sign of this getting any traction. The polls have consistently had Khan just below 50%, Bailey just below 30% and both Porritt and Berry around 10% with the fragments including 2% for Peter Gammons.

    It's possible Khan will take us on the first ballot but even if Bailey pushed him to a second ballot it looks as though Khan would get 63-64%. The polls have been remarkably consistent since last August.

    It’ll be interesting to see if Khan seeks a Westminster seat in the run up to 2024. He must fancy his chances of becoming Labour leader as a two time winner if Starmer falls short. You’d think he’d get a Cabinet job if nothing else, if Labour does take power.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,146
    Charles said:

    IanB2 said:

    Why are we even mentioning this con man?

    Because this is Political Betting
    There's been a name-change from Pandemical Betting?!
    :lol: Pandemical Panic if @eadric or @Leon is online.
    To name but two.

    Although how you square his panic stricken posts with his countrywide touring every time the government requires us to stay at home, is another matter.
    Guilt
    lol
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 8,255

    How does BBC still not have 4k beyond I think 2-3 "trial" shows. They started their trials 5 years ago! A 4k HDR telly costs £300 these days, it not some niche product.

    Indeed. It’s pathetic. As is the fact that they STILL have SD only for the London news. Really. The screen goes blank unless you switch over to the SD channel. Absolutely shit.
    Not just London.

    Put the BBC on for a football game and forget about it and afterwards there'll be a red screen with text saying to change channels.

    This sort of stuff shouldn't have happened since the 20th century ended. Farcical.
    The quality of the SD stream (at least on Virgin cable) is so bad I simply refuse to watch it. So I never watch the London news on BBC ever. I watch it on ITV, where it’s been in HD for years.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 27,243
    stodge said:

    As for Brian Rose, I've read his half-baked manifesto and it has more than a whiff of ill thought-out authoritarianism. It's hardly populist as @HYUFD claims.

    The fact is in all polls Rose is getting nothing and part of me wonders whether his candidacy is an attempt to play the exchanges and the betting market.

    He is present on various social media platforms but there's no sign of this getting any traction. The polls have consistently had Khan just below 50%, Bailey just below 30% and both Porritt and Berry around 10% with the fragments including 2% for Peter Gammons.

    It's possible Khan will take us on the first ballot but even if Bailey pushed him to a second ballot it looks as though Khan would get 63-64%. The polls have been remarkably consistent since last August.

    I'm voting for the Lib Dem as my first choice FWIW as I find Shaun Bailey to be a complete moron.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 20,085
    IanB2 said:

    What a weird, dysfunctional decade the 80s was.

    Yet its music endures.

    This can perhaps be said about every decade since the 50s. But I know what you mean.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 39,814
    Just started watching "For All Mankind" series 1 on Apple TV.

    Brilliant opening!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 5,146

    stodge said:

    As for Brian Rose, I've read his half-baked manifesto and it has more than a whiff of ill thought-out authoritarianism. It's hardly populist as @HYUFD claims.

    The fact is in all polls Rose is getting nothing and part of me wonders whether his candidacy is an attempt to play the exchanges and the betting market.

    He is present on various social media platforms but there's no sign of this getting any traction. The polls have consistently had Khan just below 50%, Bailey just below 30% and both Porritt and Berry around 10% with the fragments including 2% for Peter Gammons.

    It's possible Khan will take us on the first ballot but even if Bailey pushed him to a second ballot it looks as though Khan would get 63-64%. The polls have been remarkably consistent since last August.

    It’ll be interesting to see if Khan seeks a Westminster seat in the run up to 2024. He must fancy his chances of becoming Labour leader as a two time winner if Starmer falls short. You’d think he’d get a Cabinet job if nothing else, if Labour does take power.
    Khan is a dreadful mayor. Truly lamentable. Where has he been during the pandemic? Where is the inspirational leadership? Basically, that is his JOB- to inspire. He doesn't have much power, but he does have a high political profile: mayor of one of the greatest cities on earth. Remember Boris after the English riots: brandishing his broom to sweep up. Cheesy, but effective.

    London is suffering, profoundly, and Khan cowers away: virtually mute and certainly inert. Labour would be insane to elect him as leader, a man even more boring than Starmer.

    Besides, the next Labour leader will SURELY be a woman
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 5,613
    edited February 20

    MattW said:
    Why is this meant to be a bad thing?

    EU students are being put on a level footing with Rest of the World students and why shouldn't they be?

    Presumably unis if they're struggling to get students can drop the Rest of the World price if they want to be but why should they discriminate against Africans or Asians over Europeans?
    The curious thing is that this will be true for any MA.

    So, why choose for your illustrative example an MA in History of Art?

    For some people, History of Art is the way out of the ghetto. But, not very many. :)

    A more moneyed & highly affluent bunch of students it would probably be hard to find.
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