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New US poll finds that if Trump decides to set up a new party 64% of Republicans would back it – pol

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  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55895738

    Thirty Billion pounds of tax payers money, handed by Sunak to criminals with no questions asked. Sunak out! Now!

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    From the last thread. Christopher Plumber in one of his greatest roles

    https://youtu.be/3DcWJrzK0wU?t=2305

    [referring to the English troops]
    Duchess of Richmond: They're the salt of England, Arthur.
    Duke of Wellington: Scum. Nothing but beggars and scoundrels, all of them. Gin is the spirit of their patriotism.
    Duchess of Richmond: Yet you expect them to die for you?
    Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
    Duchess of Richmond: Out of duty?
    Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
    Duchess of Richmond: I doubt if even Bonaparte could draw men to him by duty.
    Duke of Wellington: Oh, Boney's not a gentleman.
    Duchess of Richmond: Arthur! What an Englishman you are.
    Duke of Wellington: On the field of battle his hat is worth fifty thousand men; but he is not a gentleman.

    Arthur, of course, being Irish
    Nonsense. As the great man said, being born in a stable, does not make one a horse...
    Your brother being a member of the Irish peerage could be considered a leading indicator however
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    gealbhan said:


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55895738

    Thirty Billion pounds of tax payers money, handed by Sunak to criminals with no questions asked. Sunak out! Now!

    Are you really suggesting 3/4 of it is fraudulent?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772

    Should Civil Servants be announcing Government plans? Isn't that the job of politicians?

    https://twitter.com/PermSecScot/status/1357364018676191235?s=20

    She needs sacked. Urgently. Her behaviour in the Salmond affair has been shockingly partisan and many other things that I will not say on this site out of respect for OGH.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 14,884
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    From the last thread. Christopher Plumber in one of his greatest roles

    https://youtu.be/3DcWJrzK0wU?t=2305

    [referring to the English troops]
    Duchess of Richmond: They're the salt of England, Arthur.
    Duke of Wellington: Scum. Nothing but beggars and scoundrels, all of them. Gin is the spirit of their patriotism.
    Duchess of Richmond: Yet you expect them to die for you?
    Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
    Duchess of Richmond: Out of duty?
    Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
    Duchess of Richmond: I doubt if even Bonaparte could draw men to him by duty.
    Duke of Wellington: Oh, Boney's not a gentleman.
    Duchess of Richmond: Arthur! What an Englishman you are.
    Duke of Wellington: On the field of battle his hat is worth fifty thousand men; but he is not a gentleman.

    Arthur, of course, being Irish
    Nonsense. As the great man said, being born in a stable, does not make one a horse...
    Your brother being a member of the Irish peerage could be considered a leading indicator however
    Crikey! 30,000 posts old man...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    edited February 2021
    And the back pedalling starts....

    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

    Of all the EU nations not directly following the EMA the smartest have been the Irish "the best vaccine you can have is the one you can have right now". Saying that later, when options are available put AZ in the under-65s, until more data emerges...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    I see today LG2021 were confirmed as on.

    Big test for all concerned.

    SKS should be on for massive gains given LAB under Corbyn were behind by circa 18% in early May 2017

    Timing should be ideal for Tories vaccine bounce but lead will be 5% to 10% at best.

    I predict a leadership challenge if Labour doesn't win back at least 1000 seats from the lowest point before Corbyn and to be fair the steal your Grans house policy closed the gap by 15% in a month
  • Perhaps the remaining Republicans could join with the right wing of the Democratic party to form the Republican Democrats and the left wing could become the Liberal Democrats (American definition).

    There used to be the Democratic-Republican Party but given the way the GOP are they might best be co-opting the Know Nothing Movement/Party.
    Your point is both ill- and well-taken.

    There never was a party that actually called itself "Democratic-Republican" instead this is a later-day historical construct to distinguish the early Republican Party of Thomas Jefferson, Aaron Burr, James Madison from the later Republican Party of Fremont, Lincoln, Grant to You-Know-Who. Methinks "Dem-Rep" nomenclature arose because 20th-century political scientists considered the Republicans of Jefferson's day as the "left" of their time in American politics, same (mostly) as the Democratic Party of Andrew Jackson to FDR to Joe Biden.

    HOWEVER and more importantly, think you are correct in equating a MAGA Party with modern-dress re-enactment of the Know Nothings, who were officially the American Party

    Which btw split before the Civil War into . . . wait for it . . . "North Americans" and "South Americans"
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    AlistairM said:

    Does this mean they could bring forward some of the second jabs?
    AZ will stay at 12 weeks as the evidence suggests this is the best interval. I expect us to smash the obviously fake new Hancock target though. Classic scotty engineering estimate for all you Trekkies...
    End of April would be a good solid target for all adults - it's laughable expectation gaming for over 50s
    Ah, but we have higher expectations because we sit here yakking about the figures, because we're s̶t̶r̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ atypically interested. Average Joe Public isn't.
    and Joe journalist is so comically innumerate that they don't instantly report the 'target' is cynical expectations management
    The thing is when you've got one of the quickest programs in the world you can indulge in this sort of stuff as a Gov't.
  • Yep.....this could have been in the works for months.....but I suspect it wasn't:

    https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1357780091829432321?s=20
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    From the last thread. Christopher Plumber in one of his greatest roles

    https://youtu.be/3DcWJrzK0wU?t=2305

    [referring to the English troops]
    Duchess of Richmond: They're the salt of England, Arthur.
    Duke of Wellington: Scum. Nothing but beggars and scoundrels, all of them. Gin is the spirit of their patriotism.
    Duchess of Richmond: Yet you expect them to die for you?
    Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
    Duchess of Richmond: Out of duty?
    Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
    Duchess of Richmond: I doubt if even Bonaparte could draw men to him by duty.
    Duke of Wellington: Oh, Boney's not a gentleman.
    Duchess of Richmond: Arthur! What an Englishman you are.
    Duke of Wellington: On the field of battle his hat is worth fifty thousand men; but he is not a gentleman.

    Arthur, of course, being Irish
    Nonsense. As the great man said, being born in a stable, does not make one a horse...
    Your brother being a member of the Irish peerage could be considered a leading indicator however
    All sorts of people got Irish peerages. Here's a bloke from Nottingham

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Smith,_1st_Baron_Carrington
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712

    HYUFD said:

    'Scottish independence: Are unionists fighting a losing battle?'

    tinyurl.com/10wh5b22

    I know there's a big Kevin Hague fan on PB.

    '“Some unionists feel like they are fighting a losing battle,” conceded Kevin Hague, a Scotland-based entrepreneur, pro-UK campaigner and chairman of These Islands, a pro-union think-tank.'

    It should surprise no one that Kevin is taking the standard Unionist coward's way out of avoiding that losing battle by refusing to let it take place.

    '“It’s absolutely true that those campaigning for separation have got more momentum and a greater sense of readiness for a referendum than those who would defend the union,” he said.
    But, he added, even if the SNP were to gain majority control of the Scottish Parliament, and manage to legislate for a second independence poll, “there isn’t going to be an independence referendum anytime soon”.'

    His last sentence is correct, Boris will not allow a legal indyref2 nor recognise the result.
    You are in denial over an inevitable outcome. Should the SNP introduce an Independence referendum that they win, the pressure on the UK Government would be immense. The harder and longer they kick back, the greater the inevitability and the greater the support.

    You are right (from your multiple previous posts) that a military engagement is Johnson's last resort option over Scotland. Your troops by then might be otherwise engaged in Jeffrey Donaldson's wet dream of removing the border in the North Channel and having no physical land borders. Surely that means annexing the South by force.
    Far from it, the Spanish government managed to both ignore an illegal indyref from the Catalan nationalist government in 2017 and even the Catalans declaration of UDI in 2017 and Catalonia remains part of Spain. Unlike Scotland Catalonia has not even been allowed 1 legal indyref.

    It was the EU who most recently tried to impose a border in Ireland by refusing to allow drugs into NI, not the UK government.
  • DavidL said:

    Should Civil Servants be announcing Government plans? Isn't that the job of politicians?

    https://twitter.com/PermSecScot/status/1357364018676191235?s=20

    She needs sacked. Urgently. Her behaviour in the Salmond affair has been shockingly partisan and many other things that I will not say on this site out of respect for OGH.
    Question - who is "responsible" for the Scottish Crown Office?

    It seems to have gone a bit rogue....not necessarily to the disadvantage of the current Scottish government.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    Enough with the insinuation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    edited February 2021

    I see today LG2021 were confirmed as on.

    Big test for all concerned.

    SKS should be on for massive gains given LAB under Corbyn were behind by circa 18% in early May 2017

    Timing should be ideal for Tories vaccine bounce but lead will be 5% to 10% at best.

    I predict a leadership challenge if Labour doesn't win back at least 1000 seats from the lowest point before Corbyn and to be fair the steal your Grans house policy closed the gap by 15% in a month

    The Tories were ahead by 11% in 2017 in the county elections so Starmer will almost certainly make gains even if the Tories remain largest party, he will then easily brush off any leadership challenge, not that one is likely anyway
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    It would be less of an issue were it not for the fact that the European Medicines Agency has already green flagged it for general use.

    It seems that the EU's member states don't trust the judgment of one of their organisation's own key bodies.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286

    BigG post incoming: Johnson a vaccination hero; Drakeford a total disaster.
    England must be pretty close to finishing vaccinating the most vulnerable groups, given its younger and healthier population compared to Scotland and Wales.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    Enough with the insinuation.
    Hey I had AZ today

    "Better than Nowt"
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    British regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the COVID-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday

    Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

    Munir Pirmohamed, Chair of the Commission on Human Medicines’ COVID-19 Vaccines Benefit Risk Expert Working Group said British regulators had noticed the smaller number of under-65s in the data when they approved the vaccine.

    “Nevertheless, there was no evidence (to suggest) that those people over 65 were not getting evidence of efficacy,” he said at an MHRA news briefing, asked by Reuters about efficacy of the shot in the elderly.

    “Since then we’ve seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there’s no evidence of lack of efficacy.”


    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-astrazeneca-mhra/update-2-uk-regulators-say-extra-astrazeneca-vaccine-data-highlights-efficacy-in-elderly-idUSL8N2KB3F6
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    Enough with the insinuation.
    Hey I had AZ today

    "Better than Nowt"
    And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

    UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

    Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

    Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

    The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

    "Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,092
    DavidL said:

    Should Civil Servants be announcing Government plans? Isn't that the job of politicians?

    https://twitter.com/PermSecScot/status/1357364018676191235?s=20

    She needs sacked. Urgently. Her behaviour in the Salmond affair has been shockingly partisan and many other things that I will not say on this site out of respect for OGH.
    She? The only name I see there is Michael Matheson.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    It would be less of an issue were it not for the fact that the European Medicines Agency has already green flagged it for general use.

    It seems that the EU's member states don't trust the judgment of one of their organisation's own key bodies.
    While the nations having their own regulators is fine of course, I still think it is odd for the purposes of this EU wide approach thhat everyone has been talking up - if some are not going to use AZ for all despite the EMA decision, are some of the supplies they could have used going to those who have authorised it in line with the EMA?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    It would be less of an issue were it not for the fact that the European Medicines Agency has already green flagged it for general use.

    It seems that the EU's member states don't trust the judgment of one of their organisation's own key bodies.
    Run by an Irish citizen. Perhaps all positions within the EC should be filled with Irish.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    HYUFD said:

    I see today LG2021 were confirmed as on.

    Big test for all concerned.

    SKS should be on for massive gains given LAB under Corbyn were behind by circa 18% in early May 2017

    Timing should be ideal for Tories vaccine bounce but lead will be 5% to 10% at best.

    I predict a leadership challenge if Labour doesn't win back at least 1000 seats from the lowest point before Corbyn and to be fair the steal your Grans house policy closed the gap by 15% in a month

    The Tories were ahead by 11% in 2017 in the county elections so Starmer will almost certainly make gains even if the Tories remain largest party, he will then easily brush off any leadership challenge, not that one is likely anyway
    The last 16 polls in the final 10 days before LG2017 the polls were all Con leads

    22,22,21,23,16,11,17,19,13,24,15,19,17,19,16,15 (16 polls 289/16 = 18.07)

    The actual result was as you say 38/27/18 an 11% lead (another triumph for the pollsters) LDs on 18% bloody hell
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    If the GOP does split in time for 2024 then Biden will stay on and win a landslide on a Reagan 84 level.

    If the GOP does split in time for 2024 then the Dems could run the office cat and win a landslide on a Reagan 84 level.

    Like it or not, the GOP has to get the shit of its shoes or the smell will never go.
    Orange shit is really hard to get rid of.
  • RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    British regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the COVID-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday

    Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

    Munir Pirmohamed, Chair of the Commission on Human Medicines’ COVID-19 Vaccines Benefit Risk Expert Working Group said British regulators had noticed the smaller number of under-65s in the data when they approved the vaccine.

    “Nevertheless, there was no evidence (to suggest) that those people over 65 were not getting evidence of efficacy,” he said at an MHRA news briefing, asked by Reuters about efficacy of the shot in the elderly.

    “Since then we’ve seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there’s no evidence of lack of efficacy.”


    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-astrazeneca-mhra/update-2-uk-regulators-say-extra-astrazeneca-vaccine-data-highlights-efficacy-in-elderly-idUSL8N2KB3F6
    Has it been tested on Germans? No? Brits, Brazilians & South Africans. So they assume it will work on Germans? But also assume it might not work on anyone born before 1955, but will work on someone born in 1956.....
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745
    HYUFD said:

    <
    In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

    I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,243
    edited February 2021

    Perhaps the remaining Republicans could join with the right wing of the Democratic party to form the Republican Democrats and the left wing could become the Liberal Democrats (American definition).

    There used to be the Democratic-Republican Party but given the way the GOP are they might best be co-opting the Know Nothing Movement/Party.
    Your point is both ill- and well-taken.

    There never was a party that actually called itself "Democratic-Republican" instead this is a later-day historical construct to distinguish the early Republican Party of Thomas Jefferson, Aaron Burr, James Madison from the later Republican Party of Fremont, Lincoln, Grant to You-Know-Who. Methinks "Dem-Rep" nomenclature arose because 20th-century political scientists considered the Republicans of Jefferson's day as the "left" of their time in American politics, same (mostly) as the Democratic Party of Andrew Jackson to FDR to Joe Biden.

    HOWEVER and more importantly, think you are correct in equating a MAGA Party with modern-dress re-enactment of the Know Nothings, who were officially the American Party

    Which btw split before the Civil War into . . . wait for it . . . "North Americans" and "South Americans"
    Addendum - From typical PB Col Blimp perspective, reckon the "North Americans" had unseemly designs upon Canada (and you'd be right) while the "South Americans" were (no doubt) highly doubtful re: British conquest & rule of the Falkland Islands.

    The Know Nothings were a significant political force in US politics in early 1850s coinciding with massive upsurge in immigration (esp. of Irish and other Catholics); they elected governors and legislatures in Massachusetts and several other states. Part of the demise of the Whigs and factionalism of Democratic Party, it briefly competed with the new Republican Party before itself sundering on the rock of slavery, with most North Americans eventually joining emerging GOP.

    Thus the Republican Party that elected Abraham Lincoln - thanks to the Democratic sectional split - was composed of three key voting blocs:
    > Free Soil Democrats (anti-slavery especially re: territories in Louisiana Purchase, Pacific Northwest AND Mexican Cession)
    > Conscience (that is anti-slavery) Whigs (as opposed to pro-slavery Cotton Whigs)
    > Northern Know Nothings (esp. those alienated by immigrant support of & by the Democratic Party)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    Enough with the insinuation.
    Hey I had AZ today

    "Better than Nowt"
    And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

    UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

    Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

    Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

    The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

    "Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/
    I am still under 65 too just.

    "no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

    Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

    Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

  • stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    <
    In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

    I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.
    Remember "Jimmy Who" pre-1976. And you DO know Who yours truly is talking about.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    If the GOP does split in time for 2024 then Biden will stay on and win a landslide on a Reagan 84 level.

    If the GOP does split in time for 2024 then the Dems could run the office cat and win a landslide on a Reagan 84 level.

    Like it or not, the GOP has to get the shit of its shoes or the smell will never go.
    Right now the GOP are giving standing ovations to Marjorie Taylor Greene whilst censuring Ben Sasse for opposing the insurrection tells you the GOP is in a bad place.
    Yes, she's dreadful, and a bit bonkers. The UK equivalent would be the Tories giving a standing ovation to Katie Hopkins. Not a good look.
    A bit ?
    She makes Hopkins look respectable.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723

    HYUFD said:

    I see today LG2021 were confirmed as on.

    Big test for all concerned.

    SKS should be on for massive gains given LAB under Corbyn were behind by circa 18% in early May 2017

    Timing should be ideal for Tories vaccine bounce but lead will be 5% to 10% at best.

    I predict a leadership challenge if Labour doesn't win back at least 1000 seats from the lowest point before Corbyn and to be fair the steal your Grans house policy closed the gap by 15% in a month

    The Tories were ahead by 11% in 2017 in the county elections so Starmer will almost certainly make gains even if the Tories remain largest party, he will then easily brush off any leadership challenge, not that one is likely anyway
    The last 16 polls in the final 10 days before LG2017 the polls were all Con leads

    22,22,21,23,16,11,17,19,13,24,15,19,17,19,16,15 (16 polls 289/16 = 18.07)

    The actual result was as you say 38/27/18 an 11% lead (another triumph for the pollsters) LDs on 18% bloody hell
    Based on the actual 2017 results LDs could be in for a bloodbath then?
  • Was the Handforth Parish Council meeting really *that* surprising? Quite a few Thornaby Town Council meetings were at least that bad. And neighbouring Yarm Town Council has had its share of "rats fighting in a sack" meetings.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,092
    geoffw said:

    DavidL said:

    Should Civil Servants be announcing Government plans? Isn't that the job of politicians?

    https://twitter.com/PermSecScot/status/1357364018676191235?s=20

    She needs sacked. Urgently. Her behaviour in the Salmond affair has been shockingly partisan and many other things that I will not say on this site out of respect for OGH.
    She? The only name I see there is Michael Matheson.

    Ah, I see. It's the un-named Leslie Evans. But who would guess if not already in the know?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    Enough with the insinuation.
    Hey I had AZ today

    "Better than Nowt"
    And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

    UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

    Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

    Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

    The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

    "Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/
    I am still under 65 too just.

    "no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

    Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

    Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

    Did you actually ready the quote? If it was 9% they wouldn’t be saying what they are. Jesus.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745

    stodge said:


    I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.

    Remember "Jimmy Who" pre-1976. And you DO know Who yours truly is talking about.
    Carter benefitted from being the fresh-faced unknown and playing the new primary system which he utilised brilliantly using a strong second in Iowa to build momentum into New Hampshire.

    Whether he'd have beaten Ted Kennedy or Jerry Brown under other circumstances I'm not certain.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    <
    In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

    I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.
    And it’s possible they won’t be in the same party by 2024.
    A Republican/MAGA spilt would be really tough for politicians like Pence, who wouldn’t comfortably sit on either side.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    1. He went to Moscow to grovel
    2. They used him for this
    3. For good measure, they threw out those EU member state diplomats about five minutes after his meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister had finished

    Was this mission another of Ursula's bright ideas?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    Was the Handforth Parish Council meeting really *that* surprising? Quite a few Thornaby Town Council meetings were at least that bad. And neighbouring Yarm Town Council has had its share of "rats fighting in a sack" meetings.

    Not really that surprising - when parish councils get dysfunctional, they tend to get really dysfunctional. At its worst you'll have inexperienced clerks and bullying, factional councillors who know little but have very strong opinions on the things they know little about.

    Which is a shame, as with a good clerk and firm leadership, many parishes do some great work with their volunteer memebers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    kle4 said:

    Was the Handforth Parish Council meeting really *that* surprising? Quite a few Thornaby Town Council meetings were at least that bad. And neighbouring Yarm Town Council has had its share of "rats fighting in a sack" meetings.

    Not really that surprising - when parish councils get dysfunctional, they tend to get really dysfunctional. At its worst you'll have inexperienced clerks and bullying, factional councillors who know little but have very strong opinions on the things they know little about.

    Which is a shame, as with a good clerk and firm leadership, many parishes do some great work with their volunteer memebers.
    The Handsworth lot are definitely meme-bers now.
  • 1. He went to Moscow to grovel
    2. They used him for this
    3. For good measure, they threw out those EU member state diplomats about five minutes after his meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister had finished

    Was this mission another of Ursula's bright ideas?
    I think member states (Germany?) pushed for it.......
  • One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    That's a good point, Carlotta. It's easy to dismiss the EU failure as attributable to its Federal nature but incompetence may well be the greater cause.

    The US has done ok with vaccinations and roll-out, and that's even more Federal than the EU.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069
    stodge said:

    stodge said:


    I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.

    Remember "Jimmy Who" pre-1976. And you DO know Who yours truly is talking about.
    Carter benefitted from being the fresh-faced unknown and playing the new primary system which he utilised brilliantly using a strong second in Iowa to build momentum into New Hampshire.

    Whether he'd have beaten Ted Kennedy or Jerry Brown under other circumstances I'm not certain.
    I was living in Georgia at that time, albeit 11 years old!

    Post Water gate and Vietnam there really was a feeling that the Washington Elite really did need a clear out. Jimmy Carter caught the Zeitgeist with his "Mr Smith goes to Washington" appeal.

    He had difficult circumstances to deal with, but I think will be remembered very well by history for his genuine efforts to promote human rights.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    1. He went to Moscow to grovel
    2. They used him for this
    3. For good measure, they threw out those EU member state diplomats about five minutes after his meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister had finished

    Was this mission another of Ursula's bright ideas?
    I think member states (Germany?) pushed for it.......
    https://www.politico.eu/article/borrell-stands-by-as-lavrov-calls-eu-unreliable-partner/

    I have discovered this piece on the visit, which to be fair to Ursula suggests that Borrell himself was keen on going to Moscow.

    I'm not sure that being used as a mop by Sergei Lavrov was what he had in mind, but live and learn eh?
  • stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    <
    In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

    I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.
    Mike Pence was the Evangelicals' man in the White House. Pence has the charisma of Sir Keir Starmer so most likely his leading @HYUFD's poll is due to name recognition, not breakout appeal. There are not enough Evangelical GOP voters to win the primaries and so Pence will not be candidate in 2024. He will, however, be a player, especially in the southern states. The time to lay Pence is not now but in 2023/4.
  • One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
    I guess at least they've largely missed out on being part of the world beating 110K.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    Enough with the insinuation.
    Hey I had AZ today

    "Better than Nowt"
    And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

    UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

    Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

    Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

    The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

    "Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/
    I am still under 65 too just.

    "no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

    Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

    Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

    Did you actually ready the quote? If it was 9% they wouldn’t be saying what they are. Jesus.
    Yes i read the quote it says "efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    Efficacy of what %

    and don't call me Jesus
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    That's a good point, Carlotta. It's easy to dismiss the EU failure as attributable to its Federal nature but incompetence may well be the greater cause.

    The US has done ok with vaccinations and roll-out, and that's even more Federal than the EU.
    Surely it's to blame because it isn't a federal state. The federal government (the EU in this case) doesn't have any real budget to just say "fuck it have some mega money" to companies and it also doesn't have the capability to spend member states money in other countries which have a better chance of success with their vaccines. If the EU was a country that has a a €3tn budget from direct taxes on the population then it could choose where to spend it's money better.

    I do hate to say it, but this is probably an example of the halfway house solution of being a country but not a country making things worse.

    The EU needs a directly elected President but the nation states would never allow such a thing to happen (for good reason) so this is what we end up with.
  • sarissa said:

    Charles said:

    From the last thread. Christopher Plumber in one of his greatest roles

    https://youtu.be/3DcWJrzK0wU?t=2305

    [referring to the English troops]
    Duchess of Richmond: They're the salt of England, Arthur.
    Duke of Wellington: Scum. Nothing but beggars and scoundrels, all of them. Gin is the spirit of their patriotism.
    Duchess of Richmond: Yet you expect them to die for you?
    Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
    Duchess of Richmond: Out of duty?
    Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
    Duchess of Richmond: I doubt if even Bonaparte could draw men to him by duty.
    Duke of Wellington: Oh, Boney's not a gentleman.
    Duchess of Richmond: Arthur! What an Englishman you are.
    Duke of Wellington: On the field of battle his hat is worth fifty thousand men; but he is not a gentleman.

    Arthur, of course, being Irish
    That’s not a stable argument!
    Don't be such a neigh-sayer!
  • One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
    All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?
  • One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
    I guess at least they've largely missed out on being part of the world beating 110K.
    They are under UK sovereignty.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    Enough with the insinuation.
    Hey I had AZ today

    "Better than Nowt"
    And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

    UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

    Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

    Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

    The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

    "Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/
    I am still under 65 too just.

    "no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

    Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

    Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

    Did you actually ready the quote? If it was 9% they wouldn’t be saying what they are. Jesus.
    Yes i read the quote it says "efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    Efficacy of what %

    and don't call me Jesus
    I don’t think you were being called Jesus. I think it was signed Jesus.
  • stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    <
    In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

    I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.
    Remember "Jimmy Who" pre-1976. And you DO know Who yours truly is talking about.
    Nuts!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    Enough with the insinuation.
    Hey I had AZ today

    "Better than Nowt"
    And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

    UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

    Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

    Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

    The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

    "Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/
    I am still under 65 too just.

    "no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

    Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

    Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

    Did you actually ready the quote? If it was 9% they wouldn’t be saying what they are. Jesus.
    Yes i read the quote it says "efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    Efficacy of what %

    and don't call me Jesus
    I don’t think you were being called Jesus. I think it was signed Jesus.
    I'd be worried if I got a note, saying "Don't call me" and it was signed by Jesus.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    edited February 2021

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    What a waste of a month that will have been.
    If the answer is as you expect
    Enough with the insinuation.
    Hey I had AZ today

    "Better than Nowt"
    And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

    UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

    Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

    Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

    The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

    "Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/
    I am still under 65 too just.

    "no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

    Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

    Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

    Did you actually ready the quote? If it was 9% they wouldn’t be saying what they are. Jesus.
    Yes i read the quote it says "efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

    Efficacy of what %

    and don't call me Jesus
    I don’t think you were being called Jesus. I think it was signed Jesus.
    Rob is God not Jesus.

    Jesus is what i said along with better than nowt when i found out my jab today was AZ
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,749
    edited February 2021

    One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
    All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?
    What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you fetishise the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.
  • kle4 said:

    Was the Handforth Parish Council meeting really *that* surprising? Quite a few Thornaby Town Council meetings were at least that bad. And neighbouring Yarm Town Council has had its share of "rats fighting in a sack" meetings.

    Not really that surprising - when parish councils get dysfunctional, they tend to get really dysfunctional. At its worst you'll have inexperienced clerks and bullying, factional councillors who know little but have very strong opinions on the things they know little about.

    Which is a shame, as with a good clerk and firm leadership, many parishes do some great work with their volunteer memebers.
    Great line in the comments section of the YouTube video:

    'It’s like an episode of The Vicar of Dibley directed by Quentin Tarantino.'
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    <
    In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

    I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.
    Remember "Jimmy Who" pre-1976. And you DO know Who yours truly is talking about.
    Nuts!
    What's Anthony McAuliffe got to do with it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited February 2021

    One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
    All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?
    What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you love the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.
    You're working a bit counterproductively hard to pretend confusion and outrage over this one. I'd say it was absolutely clear what he meant, but for some reason you also get really worked up about that sort of thing too. I think you can find much better examples of terminology use to get pretend upset about.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,921
    The enduring mystery of the Handforth Parish Council affair if who is the clerk. The chairman claimed that he was the clerk. Jackie Weaver was apparently brought in to resolve matters. But I assume there must have been a prior clerk. What happened to him/her? A case I think for Morse.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    Scott_xP said:
    EU being shellfish to take back control
  • kle4 said:

    One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
    All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?
    What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you love the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.
    You're working a bit counterproductively hard to pretend confusion and outrage over this one. I'd say it was absolutely clear what he meant, but for some reason you also get really worked up about that sort of thing too. I think you can find much better examples of terminology use to get pretend upset about.
    He meant?
    You'll have to do a bit better than that if you're going to keep up this monitoring of my posts thing you seem to have taken on as a sacred task.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    Scott_xP said:
    EU being shellfish to take back control
    I reckon they will cockle it up...
  • kle4 said:

    One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
    All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?
    What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you love the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.
    You're working a bit counterproductively hard to pretend confusion and outrage over this one. I'd say it was absolutely clear what he meant, but for some reason you also get really worked up about that sort of thing too. I think you can find much better examples of terminology use to get pretend upset about.
    He meant?
    You'll have to do a bit better than that if you're going to keep up this monitoring of my posts thing you seem to have taken on as a sacred task.
    @Kle4 is one of the best and fairest posters on this site

    Maybe you need to consider that
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    edited February 2021
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    EU being shellfish to take back control
    I reckon they will cockle it up...
    Showing their mussels
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    EU being shellfish to take back control
    I reckon they will cockle it up...
    Showing their mussels
    I reckon they will winkle out something.
  • kle4 said:

    One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
    All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?
    What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you love the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.
    You're working a bit counterproductively hard to pretend confusion and outrage over this one. I'd say it was absolutely clear what he meant, but for some reason you also get really worked up about that sort of thing too. I think you can find much better examples of terminology use to get pretend upset about.
    He meant?
    You'll have to do a bit better than that if you're going to keep up this monitoring of my posts thing you seem to have taken on as a sacred task.
    @Kle4 is one of the best and fairest posters on this site

    Maybe you need to consider that
    Always wonderful to hear from the Vicar of Bray.
  • https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1357763496696549378

    Did anyone keep a tally of the predictions on pubs reopening that @Leon started the other day?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    EU being shellfish to take back control
    I reckon they will cockle it up...
    Showing their mussels
    I reckon they will winkle out something.
    They dont want our squids
  • TimT said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    <
    In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

    I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.
    Remember "Jimmy Who" pre-1976. And you DO know Who yours truly is talking about.
    Nuts!
    What's Anthony McAuliffe got to do with it?
    Carter was a (pea)nut farmer!
  • One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

    The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
    All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?
    What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you fetishise the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.
    Dey is under UK sovereignty, innit!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    Simon Coveney has always struck me as a bit of a turd.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,911
    edited February 2021

    Better option is for nonTrumpers to leave the Republicans!

    But Democrats have the same issue with Bernieites.

    But being President is less important than who wins seats in the Congress.

    In the internet age, its less important to have 15 minutes of fame but more to see 15 consonants published.

    The issues that the Democrats have with their Bernie wing pales into insignificance in comparison to the problems the GOP has with Trump, the MAGAs and the loony congresswoman from Georgia.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    EU being shellfish to take back control
    I reckon they will cockle it up...
    Showing their mussels
    I reckon they will winkle out something.
    Occam’s razor says they’ll clam up.
  • Yet strangely he echoes so many on here re Scotland.

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1357782986821931009?s=20
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    edited February 2021
    On the subject of vaccines, one of the farmers that delivers hay to the yard has gone blind in one eye with a bout of shingles (Unknown whether permanent or temporary right now). Perhaps we should looking at extending that vaccine to a lower age group (As the CDC in the USA recommends) to over 50s or 60s maybe...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    EU being shellfish to take back control
    I reckon they will cockle it up...
    Showing their mussels
    I reckon they will winkle out something.
    Occam’s razor says they’ll clam up.
    They can eat my sea cucumber with their import ban
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    The shellfish ban comes at what must be an extremely difficult time for shellfish sales across Europe. I suspect EU fisherman are struggling to sell their catches, so I see little prospect of us getting anywhere with this, though of course it's right to try.

    It seems to me that in the medium term we should process, and eat, more of our own catch. My own dietary ration does not include shellfish - the majority of fish that I eat at home has breadcrumbs :D However, we certainly should all be eating more - fish is an extremely important component of a healthy diet, especially at this latitude, and few of us get enough.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    slade said:

    The enduring mystery of the Handforth Parish Council affair if who is the clerk. The chairman claimed that he was the clerk. Jackie Weaver was apparently brought in to resolve matters. But I assume there must have been a prior clerk. What happened to him/her? A case I think for Morse.

    They called in sick after the previous meeting.
    And who can blame them?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    Pulpstar said:

    On the subject of vaccines, one of the farmers that delivers hay to the yard has gone blind in one eye with a bout of shingles (Unknown whether permanent or temporary right now). Perhaps we should looking at extending that vaccine to a lower age group (As the CDC in the USA recommends) to over 50s or 60s maybe...

    Its going to snow.

    They are going to turn a blind eye if he turns up towards the end of a vaccine session tomorrow with all the snow no shows methinks
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,853
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    EU being shellfish to take back control
    I reckon they will cockle it up...
    The EU will clam the borders shut.

    Seriously though, I'm not totally convinced by a lot of the shellfish industry. I don't think scallop dredging wouldn't be allowed if it took place in full view.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    The shellfish ban comes at what must be an extremely difficult time for shellfish sales across Europe. I suspect EU fisherman are struggling to sell their catches, so I see little prospect of us getting anywhere with this, though of course it's right to try.

    It seems to me that in the medium term we should process, and eat, more of our own catch. My own dietary ration does not include shellfish - the majority of fish that I eat at home has breadcrumbs :D However, we certainly should all be eating more - fish is an extremely important component of a healthy diet, especially at this latitude, and few of us get enough.

    The state could simply buy up the excess and put it in school dinners.

    Fussy six year olds will love it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    OllyT said:

    Better option is for nonTrumpers to leave the Republicans!

    But Democrats have the same issue with Bernieites.

    But being President is less important than who wins seats in the Congress.

    In the internet age, its less important to have 15 minutes of fame but more to see 15 consonants published.

    The issues that the Democrats have with their Bernie wing pales into insignificance oil comparison to the problems the GOP has with Trump, the MAGAs and the loony congresswoman from Georgia.
    GOP Senators face a stark choice. They either:

    1. Throw out the impeachment and Trump continues to dominate their party or...

    2. Convict and disbar, which in theory stops Trump running again for the GOP or under another party butppotentially pisses off a large section of their voters.

    Unfortunately point 2. would not stop a Trump Party pushing a Trump junior candidate via the GOP or a 3rd Party.

    I think they'll go for 1. and hope Trump fades away over the next 2-3 years.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,094
    slade said:

    The enduring mystery of the Handforth Parish Council affair if who is the clerk. The chairman claimed that he was the clerk. Jackie Weaver was apparently brought in to resolve matters. But I assume there must have been a prior clerk. What happened to him/her? A case I think for Morse.

    David Allen Green wrote a slightly less stolid than usual article about it for Casual Friday.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    edited February 2021

    The shellfish ban comes at what must be an extremely difficult time for shellfish sales across Europe. I suspect EU fisherman are struggling to sell their catches, so I see little prospect of us getting anywhere with this, though of course it's right to try.

    It seems to me that in the medium term we should process, and eat, more of our own catch. My own dietary ration does not include shellfish - the majority of fish that I eat at home has breadcrumbs :D However, we certainly should all be eating more - fish is an extremely important component of a healthy diet, especially at this latitude, and few of us get enough.

    I shouldn't. I have a serious allergy.
    And frankly we should all have a better diet. We ought to eat 5 a day. But we all don't.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    edited February 2021

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    EU being shellfish to take back control
    I reckon they will cockle it up...
    The EU will clam the borders shut.

    Seriously though, I'm not totally convinced by a lot of the shellfish industry. I don't think scallop dredging wouldn't be allowed if it took place in full view.
    They all seem to be 'hand-dived' in Waitrose. Never seen anyone diving for them mind.

    (Correction, no scallops to be had at Waitrose, not even for ready money.)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069
    Pulpstar said:

    On the subject of vaccines, one of the farmers that delivers hay to the yard has gone blind in one eye with a bout of shingles (Unknown whether permanent or temporary right now). Perhaps we should looking at extending that vaccine to a lower age group (As the CDC in the USA recommends) to over 50s or 60s maybe...

    Vaccine wouldn't help for shingles. It is a relapse of the chickenpox virus that has been hibernating, generally from childhood.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    The shellfish ban comes at what must be an extremely difficult time for shellfish sales across Europe. I suspect EU fisherman are struggling to sell their catches, so I see little prospect of us getting anywhere with this, though of course it's right to try.

    It seems to me that in the medium term we should process, and eat, more of our own catch. My own dietary ration does not include shellfish - the majority of fish that I eat at home has breadcrumbs :D However, we certainly should all be eating more - fish is an extremely important component of a healthy diet, especially at this latitude, and few of us get enough.

    Fish aren't shellfish; you are much more closely related to a haddock than an oyster is.
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