New US poll finds that if Trump decides to set up a new party 64% of Republicans would back it – pol

turbotubbs said:

Charles said:

Malmesbury said:

From the last thread. Christopher Plumber in one of his greatest roles

https://youtu.be/3DcWJrzK0wU?t=2305

[referring to the English troops]
Duchess of Richmond: They're the salt of England, Arthur.
Duke of Wellington: Scum. Nothing but beggars and scoundrels, all of them. Gin is the spirit of their patriotism.
Duchess of Richmond: Yet you expect them to die for you?
Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
Duchess of Richmond: Out of duty?
Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
Duchess of Richmond: I doubt if even Bonaparte could draw men to him by duty.
Duke of Wellington: Oh, Boney's not a gentleman.
Duchess of Richmond: Arthur! What an Englishman you are.
Duke of Wellington: On the field of battle his hat is worth fifty thousand men; but he is not a gentleman.

Arthur, of course, being Irish

Nonsense. As the great man said, being born in a stable, does not make one a horse...

Your brother being a member of the Irish peerage could be considered a leading indicator however

CarlottaVance said:

Should Civil Servants be announcing Government plans? Isn't that the job of politicians?

https://twitter.com/PermSecScot/status/1357364018676191235?s=20

She needs sacked. Urgently. Her behaviour in the Salmond affair has been shockingly partisan and many other things that I will not say on this site out of respect for OGH.

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

Of all the EU nations not directly following the EMA the smartest have been the Irish "the best vaccine you can have is the one you can have right now". Saying that later, when options are available put AZ in the under-65s, until more data emerges...

maaarsh said:

Black_Rook said:

maaarsh said:

turbotubbs said:

AlistairM said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1357763496696549378

Does this mean they could bring forward some of the second jabs?

AZ will stay at 12 weeks as the evidence suggests this is the best interval. I expect us to smash the obviously fake new Hancock target though. Classic scotty engineering estimate for all you Trekkies...

End of April would be a good solid target for all adults - it's laughable expectation gaming for over 50s

Ah, but we have higher expectations because we sit here yakking about the figures, because we're s̶t̶r̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ atypically interested. Average Joe Public isn't.

and Joe journalist is so comically innumerate that they don't instantly report the 'target' is cynical expectations management

The thing is when you've got one of the quickest programs in the world you can indulge in this sort of stuff as a Gov't.

DavidL said:

CarlottaVance said:

Should Civil Servants be announcing Government plans? Isn't that the job of politicians?

https://twitter.com/PermSecScot/status/1357364018676191235?s=20

She needs sacked. Urgently. Her behaviour in the Salmond affair has been shockingly partisan and many other things that I will not say on this site out of respect for OGH.

Question - who is "responsible" for the Scottish Crown Office?

It seems to have gone a bit rogue....not necessarily to the disadvantage of the current Scottish government.

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

If the answer is as you expect

Enough with the insinuation.

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

It would be less of an issue were it not for the fact that the European Medicines Agency has already green flagged it for general use.

It seems that the EU's member states don't trust the judgment of one of their organisation's own key bodies.

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

If the answer is as you expect

Enough with the insinuation.

Hey I had AZ today

"Better than Nowt"

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

If the answer is as you expect

Enough with the insinuation.

Hey I had AZ today

"Better than Nowt"

And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

"Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/

Black_Rook said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

It would be less of an issue were it not for the fact that the European Medicines Agency has already green flagged it for general use.

It seems that the EU's member states don't trust the judgment of one of their organisation's own key bodies.

While the nations having their own regulators is fine of course, I still think it is odd for the purposes of this EU wide approach thhat everyone has been talking up - if some are not going to use AZ for all despite the EMA decision, are some of the supplies they could have used going to those who have authorised it in line with the EMA?

HYUFD said:

bigjohnowls said:

I see today LG2021 were confirmed as on.

Big test for all concerned.

SKS should be on for massive gains given LAB under Corbyn were behind by circa 18% in early May 2017

Timing should be ideal for Tories vaccine bounce but lead will be 5% to 10% at best.

I predict a leadership challenge if Labour doesn't win back at least 1000 seats from the lowest point before Corbyn and to be fair the steal your Grans house policy closed the gap by 15% in a month

The Tories were ahead by 11% in 2017 in the county elections so Starmer will almost certainly make gains even if the Tories remain largest party, he will then easily brush off any leadership challenge, not that one is likely anyway

The last 16 polls in the final 10 days before LG2017 the polls were all Con leads

22,22,21,23,16,11,17,19,13,24,15,19,17,19,16,15 (16 polls 289/16 = 18.07)

The actual result was as you say 38/27/18 an 11% lead (another triumph for the pollsters) LDs on 18% bloody hell

Black_Rook said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

If the answer is as you expect

British regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the COVID-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday

Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

Munir Pirmohamed, Chair of the Commission on Human Medicines’ COVID-19 Vaccines Benefit Risk Expert Working Group said British regulators had noticed the smaller number of under-65s in the data when they approved the vaccine.

“Nevertheless, there was no evidence (to suggest) that those people over 65 were not getting evidence of efficacy,” he said at an MHRA news briefing, asked by Reuters about efficacy of the shot in the elderly.

“Since then we’ve seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there’s no evidence of lack of efficacy.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-astrazeneca-mhra/update-2-uk-regulators-say-extra-astrazeneca-vaccine-data-highlights-efficacy-in-elderly-idUSL8N2KB3F6

Has it been tested on Germans? No? Brits, Brazilians & South Africans. So they assume it will work on Germans? But also assume it might not work on anyone born before 1955, but will work on someone born in 1956.....

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

williamglenn said:

Perhaps the remaining Republicans could join with the right wing of the Democratic party to form the Republican Democrats and the left wing could become the Liberal Democrats (American definition).

There used to be the Democratic-Republican Party but given the way the GOP are they might best be co-opting the Know Nothing Movement/Party.

Your point is both ill- and well-taken.

There never was a party that actually called itself "Democratic-Republican" instead this is a later-day historical construct to distinguish the early Republican Party of Thomas Jefferson, Aaron Burr, James Madison from the later Republican Party of Fremont, Lincoln, Grant to You-Know-Who. Methinks "Dem-Rep" nomenclature arose because 20th-century political scientists considered the Republicans of Jefferson's day as the "left" of their time in American politics, same (mostly) as the Democratic Party of Andrew Jackson to FDR to Joe Biden.

HOWEVER and more importantly, think you are correct in equating a MAGA Party with modern-dress re-enactment of the Know Nothings, who were officially the American Party

Which btw split before the Civil War into . . . wait for it . . . "North Americans" and "South Americans"

Addendum - From typical PB Col Blimp perspective, reckon the "North Americans" had unseemly designs upon Canada (and you'd be right) while the "South Americans" were (no doubt) highly doubtful re: British conquest & rule of the Falkland Islands.

The Know Nothings were a significant political force in US politics in early 1850s coinciding with massive upsurge in immigration (esp. of Irish and other Catholics); they elected governors and legislatures in Massachusetts and several other states. Part of the demise of the Whigs and factionalism of Democratic Party, it briefly competed with the new Republican Party before itself sundering on the rock of slavery, with most North Americans eventually joining emerging GOP.

Thus the Republican Party that elected Abraham Lincoln - thanks to the Democratic sectional split - was composed of three key voting blocs:
> Free Soil Democrats (anti-slavery especially re: territories in Louisiana Purchase, Pacific Northwest AND Mexican Cession)
> Conscience (that is anti-slavery) Whigs (as opposed to pro-slavery Cotton Whigs)
> Northern Know Nothings (esp. those alienated by immigrant support of & by the Democratic Party)

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

If the answer is as you expect

Enough with the insinuation.

Hey I had AZ today

"Better than Nowt"

And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

"Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/

I am still under 65 too just.

"no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

stodge said:

HYUFD said:

<
In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.

Remember "Jimmy Who" pre-1976. And you DO know Who yours truly is talking about.

Northern_Al said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

If the GOP does split in time for 2024 then Biden will stay on and win a landslide on a Reagan 84 level.

If the GOP does split in time for 2024 then the Dems could run the office cat and win a landslide on a Reagan 84 level.

Like it or not, the GOP has to get the shit of its shoes or the smell will never go.

Right now the GOP are giving standing ovations to Marjorie Taylor Greene whilst censuring Ben Sasse for opposing the insurrection tells you the GOP is in a bad place.

Yes, she's dreadful, and a bit bonkers. The UK equivalent would be the Tories giving a standing ovation to Katie Hopkins. Not a good look.

A bit ?
She makes Hopkins look respectable.

https://twitter.com/JakeCordell/status/1357785139733008388?s=20

Was the Handforth Parish Council meeting really *that* surprising? Quite a few Thornaby Town Council meetings were at least that bad. And neighbouring Yarm Town Council has had its share of "rats fighting in a sack" meetings.

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

If the answer is as you expect

Enough with the insinuation.

Hey I had AZ today

"Better than Nowt"

And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

"Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/

I am still under 65 too just.

"no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

Did you actually ready the quote? If it was 9% they wouldn’t be saying what they are. Jesus.

stodge said:

HYUFD said:

<
In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.

And it’s possible they won’t be in the same party by 2024.
A Republican/MAGA spilt would be really tough for politicians like Pence, who wouldn’t comfortably sit on either side.

RochdalePioneers said:

Was the Handforth Parish Council meeting really *that* surprising? Quite a few Thornaby Town Council meetings were at least that bad. And neighbouring Yarm Town Council has had its share of "rats fighting in a sack" meetings.

Not really that surprising - when parish councils get dysfunctional, they tend to get really dysfunctional. At its worst you'll have inexperienced clerks and bullying, factional councillors who know little but have very strong opinions on the things they know little about.

Which is a shame, as with a good clerk and firm leadership, many parishes do some great work with their volunteer memebers.

kle4 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Was the Handforth Parish Council meeting really *that* surprising? Quite a few Thornaby Town Council meetings were at least that bad. And neighbouring Yarm Town Council has had its share of "rats fighting in a sack" meetings.

Not really that surprising - when parish councils get dysfunctional, they tend to get really dysfunctional. At its worst you'll have inexperienced clerks and bullying, factional councillors who know little but have very strong opinions on the things they know little about.

Which is a shame, as with a good clerk and firm leadership, many parishes do some great work with their volunteer memebers.

The Handsworth lot are definitely meme-bers now.

https://twitter.com/BenLowry2/status/1357644826448187392?s=20

stodge said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

stodge said:

I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.

Remember "Jimmy Who" pre-1976. And you DO know Who yours truly is talking about.

Carter benefitted from being the fresh-faced unknown and playing the new primary system which he utilised brilliantly using a strong second in Iowa to build momentum into New Hampshire.

Whether he'd have beaten Ted Kennedy or Jerry Brown under other circumstances I'm not certain.

I was living in Georgia at that time, albeit 11 years old!

Post Water gate and Vietnam there really was a feeling that the Washington Elite really did need a clear out. Jimmy Carter caught the Zeitgeist with his "Mr Smith goes to Washington" appeal.

He had difficult circumstances to deal with, but I think will be remembered very well by history for his genuine efforts to promote human rights.

stodge said:

HYUFD said:

<
In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.

Mike Pence was the Evangelicals' man in the White House. Pence has the charisma of Sir Keir Starmer so most likely his leading @HYUFD's poll is due to name recognition, not breakout appeal. There are not enough Evangelical GOP voters to win the primaries and so Pence will not be candidate in 2024. He will, however, be a player, especially in the southern states. The time to lay Pence is not now but in 2023/4.

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

If the answer is as you expect

Enough with the insinuation.

Hey I had AZ today

"Better than Nowt"

And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

"Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/

I am still under 65 too just.

"no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

Did you actually ready the quote? If it was 9% they wouldn’t be saying what they are. Jesus.

Yes i read the quote it says "efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

Efficacy of what %

and don't call me Jesus

sarissa said:

Charles said:

Malmesbury said:

From the last thread. Christopher Plumber in one of his greatest roles

https://youtu.be/3DcWJrzK0wU?t=2305

[referring to the English troops]
Duchess of Richmond: They're the salt of England, Arthur.
Duke of Wellington: Scum. Nothing but beggars and scoundrels, all of them. Gin is the spirit of their patriotism.
Duchess of Richmond: Yet you expect them to die for you?
Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
Duchess of Richmond: Out of duty?
Duke of Wellington: Um-hum.
Duchess of Richmond: I doubt if even Bonaparte could draw men to him by duty.
Duke of Wellington: Oh, Boney's not a gentleman.
Duchess of Richmond: Arthur! What an Englishman you are.
Duke of Wellington: On the field of battle his hat is worth fifty thousand men; but he is not a gentleman.

Arthur, of course, being Irish

That’s not a stable argument!

Don't be such a neigh-sayer!

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?
I guess at least they've largely missed out on being part of the world beating 110K.

They are under UK sovereignty.

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

stodge said:

HYUFD said:

<
In my view it will be Pence as the early polling suggests

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1356836849533284352?s=20

I'm far from convinced, There will be many on the Trump side will never forgive Pence for his actions in confirming the election result. The cries of "Hang Mike Pence" from those invading the Capitol on January 6th suggest to this observer Pence has a lot of fences to mend with the Trump faithful in a way Hawley for instance doesn't.

Remember "Jimmy Who" pre-1976. And you DO know Who yours truly is talking about.

Nuts!

Fysics_Teacher said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

bigjohnowls said:

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the back pedalling starts....

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1357696373848686593?s=20

What a waste of a month that will have been.

If the answer is as you expect

Enough with the insinuation.

Hey I had AZ today

"Better than Nowt"

And all the evidence points to it being highly effective. Even today there was this:

UK regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.

Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.

Germany, France, Italy and Sweden have all recommended against vaccinating people over 65 with the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab, citing a lack of data. While Poland has said the vaccine will only be used for people aged 18-60.

The UK, however, remains confident that the vaccine is effective for over 65s, Munir Pirmohamed told a MHRA news briefing.

"Since (initial approval) we've seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy," he said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-priority-groups-nhs-lockdown/

I am still under 65 too just.

"no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

9% efficacy would still be efficacy and before everybody piles on thats not a prediction!

Lets hope in the end and pretty soon it is 70% plus even in over 65s.

Nobody would be more delighted than me i can assure you.

Did you actually ready the quote? If it was 9% they wouldn’t be saying what they are. Jesus.

Yes i read the quote it says "efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there's no evidence of lack of efficacy,"

Efficacy of what %

and don't call me Jesus

I don’t think you were being called Jesus. I think it was signed Jesus.

I'd be worried if I got a note, saying "Don't call me" and it was signed by Jesus.

CarlottaVance said:

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?

All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?

What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you fetishise the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.

kle4 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Was the Handforth Parish Council meeting really *that* surprising? Quite a few Thornaby Town Council meetings were at least that bad. And neighbouring Yarm Town Council has had its share of "rats fighting in a sack" meetings.

Not really that surprising - when parish councils get dysfunctional, they tend to get really dysfunctional. At its worst you'll have inexperienced clerks and bullying, factional councillors who know little but have very strong opinions on the things they know little about.

Which is a shame, as with a good clerk and firm leadership, many parishes do some great work with their volunteer memebers.

Great line in the comments section of the YouTube video:

'It’s like an episode of The Vicar of Dibley directed by Quentin Tarantino.'

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?

All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?

What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you love the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.

You're working a bit counterproductively hard to pretend confusion and outrage over this one. I'd say it was absolutely clear what he meant, but for some reason you also get really worked up about that sort of thing too. I think you can find much better examples of terminology use to get pretend upset about.

Scott_xP said:

TAKE BACK CONTROL...

https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1357796138481377280

EU being shellfish to take back control

bigjohnowls said:

Scott_xP said:

TAKE BACK CONTROL...

https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1357796138481377280

EU being shellfish to take back control

I reckon they will cockle it up...

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Scott_xP said:

TAKE BACK CONTROL...

https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1357796138481377280

EU being shellfish to take back control

I reckon they will cockle it up...

Showing their mussels

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theuniondivvie said:

kle4 said:

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?

All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?

What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you love the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.

You're working a bit counterproductively hard to pretend confusion and outrage over this one. I'd say it was absolutely clear what he meant, but for some reason you also get really worked up about that sort of thing too. I think you can find much better examples of terminology use to get pretend upset about.

He meant?
You'll have to do a bit better than that if you're going to keep up this monitoring of my posts thing you seem to have taken on as a sacred task.

@Kle4 is one of the best and fairest posters on this site

Maybe you need to consider that

Always wonderful to hear from the Vicar of Bray.

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Scott_xP said:

TAKE BACK CONTROL...

https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1357796138481377280

EU being shellfish to take back control

I reckon they will cockle it up...

Showing their mussels

I reckon they will winkle out something.

They dont want our squids

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

One example of a "Union" working well on vaccines has been the UK - if the individual governments had tried to buy vaccines there would have been a right old mess - as it is, from The Falklands, Gibraltar, the Channel Islands to Wales and Scotland - all have had "fair shares" from a pot none of them could have remotely hoped to negotiate themselves.

The Falklands, Channel islands and Gibraltar are in the Union?

All subjects of the queen.....I wrote "a" Union......still wibbling about Care Homes?

What's the name of this Union that they're part of? I know people like you fetishise the terms, titles and appurtenances of your beloved UK.

Dey is under UK sovereignty, innit!

FlightsPath said:

Better option is for nonTrumpers to leave the Republicans!

But Democrats have the same issue with Bernieites.

But being President is less important than who wins seats in the Congress.

In the internet age, its less important to have 15 minutes of fame but more to see 15 consonants published.

The issues that the Democrats have with their Bernie wing pales into insignificance in comparison to the problems the GOP has with Trump, the MAGAs and the loony congresswoman from Georgia.

Yet strangely he echoes so many on here re Scotland.

https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1357782986821931009?s=20

Nigelb said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Scott_xP said:

TAKE BACK CONTROL...

https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1357796138481377280

EU being shellfish to take back control

I reckon they will cockle it up...

Showing their mussels

I reckon they will winkle out something.

Occam’s razor says they’ll clam up.

They can eat my sea cucumber with their import ban

slade said:

The enduring mystery of the Handforth Parish Council affair if who is the clerk. The chairman claimed that he was the clerk. Jackie Weaver was apparently brought in to resolve matters. But I assume there must have been a prior clerk. What happened to him/her? A case I think for Morse.

They called in sick after the previous meeting.
And who can blame them?

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Scott_xP said:

TAKE BACK CONTROL...

https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1357796138481377280

EU being shellfish to take back control

I reckon they will cockle it up...

The EU will clam the borders shut.

Seriously though, I'm not totally convinced by a lot of the shellfish industry. I don't think scallop dredging wouldn't be allowed if it took place in full view.

OllyT said:

FlightsPath said:

Better option is for nonTrumpers to leave the Republicans!

But Democrats have the same issue with Bernieites.

But being President is less important than who wins seats in the Congress.

In the internet age, its less important to have 15 minutes of fame but more to see 15 consonants published.

The issues that the Democrats have with their Bernie wing pales into insignificance oil comparison to the problems the GOP has with Trump, the MAGAs and the loony congresswoman from Georgia.

GOP Senators face a stark choice. They either:

1. Throw out the impeachment and Trump continues to dominate their party or...

2. Convict and disbar, which in theory stops Trump running again for the GOP or under another party butppotentially pisses off a large section of their voters.

Unfortunately point 2. would not stop a Trump Party pushing a Trump junior candidate via the GOP or a 3rd Party.

I think they'll go for 1. and hope Trump fades away over the next 2-3 years.

Luckyguy1983 said:

The shellfish ban comes at what must be an extremely difficult time for shellfish sales across Europe. I suspect EU fisherman are struggling to sell their catches, so I see little prospect of us getting anywhere with this, though of course it's right to try.

It seems to me that in the medium term we should process, and eat, more of our own catch. My own dietary ration does not include shellfish - the majority of fish that I eat at home has breadcrumbs However, we certainly should all be eating more - fish is an extremely important component of a healthy diet, especially at this latitude, and few of us get enough.

I shouldn't. I have a serious allergy.
And frankly we should all have a better diet. We ought to eat 5 a day. But we all don't.

One for those against peace and justice to criticise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?link_id=0&can_id=999769371bf876915758fcee42251302&source=email-an-update-on-our-work&email_referrer=email_1065688&email_subject=an-update-on-our-work&v=6FX4-NGtOhg&feature=youtu.be