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Coming up in the next few months will be Labour’s selection process for their nominee who, given the party’s huge success in the capital on May 22nd, should be in with a strong chance. London was where they did best of all and within the party a lot of the credit for that has gone to the shadow minister for London, Sadiq Khan.
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Sadiq? Yes He Khan0
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Ms None of The Above, and Mr Don't Know are in with a good chance.0
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FPT @MorrisDancer
Further to your question about smurf potatos this morning...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10919297/North-Yorkshire-road-closed-after-overturned-lorry-spills-instant-mashed-potato.html0 -
Is there no chance of Diane Abbott going for it?
Her lead amongst those who intend to vote Labour is interesting.0 -
Britain's Andy Murray wins the first set.0
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By far the best choice on that list is "None of these".0
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Whilst a lot does depend on Boris standing, the other factor is, if Labour don't win in 2015, then I can see a few big Labour beasts throwing their names into the running.0
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@Socrates FPT
Bang on correct. The government's failure to get this moving is risible - Labour was just as bad if not worse. They got bogged down in loads of vested interests in the likes of Salford banging on about local identity, as if having a directly elected mayor for the whole of GM would somehow override whether local identity there is. Clearly it's the way forward, as you say, yet so far there's no sign of it happening outside London.0 -
*Downing Street is examining plans to encourage pensioners to retrain as teachers to fill gaps in the teaching of maths, engineering and English."
Sounds laudable, but I can't help thinking that retraining those of a working age might be more useful?
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jun/23/retain-retired-teachers-tory-mps0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
I do loathe humidity.
Mr. Charles, surely you aren't suggesting some sort of smurf involvement?0 -
There were plebiscites, I voted against a Directly Elected Manchester Mayor.BobaFett said:@Socrates FPT
Bang on correct. The government's failure to get this moving is risible - Labour was just as bad if not worse. They got bogged down in loads of vested interests in the likes of Salford banging on about local identity, as if having a directly elected mayor for the whole of GM would somehow override whether local identity there is. Clearly it's the way forward, as you say, yet so far there's no sign of it happening outside London.
The people have spoken.0 -
17% of Labour voters openly supporting a racist candidate.
A further 8% supporting someone that plays race politics by giving preferential treatment to some groups.
They truly are the nasty party.0 -
I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.0
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I find it odd that Labour will select a candidate this year. Surely better to wait until after the GE. As mentioned if Labour wins Khan may be in Government.0
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Indeed, Miss Cyclefree (and Mr. Socrates). I'm sure ethnic quotas will help improve community relations...0
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I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.Cyclefree said:I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.
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Ed Balls and Nick Palmer should be available after next May...0
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The Tories can rejoice, There will be loads of strikes this year for them to moan about.
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How does that impact on the betting?Socrates said:17% of Labour voters openly supporting a racist candidate.
A further 8% supporting someone that plays race politics by giving preferential treatment to some groups.
They truly are the nasty party.
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It was obviously a mistake for Austro-Hungary, who saw their empire dismantled as a result, and Germany, which saw huge territorial losses and massive reparations. The same goes for Russia, who would have lost Serbia as a satellite state if they had not intervened, but that would have been a small cost compared to the revolution they faced. For France it was critical to intervene, lest an aggressive, autocratic Germany gain huge gains in Eastern Europe and dominate them permanently afterwards. A similar logic applies to Britain.HurstLlama said:@Socrates
"As for the First World War, I think there's a danger casting it as one collective mistake. Different nations made different decisions to be involved. For some it was a huge mistake. For others it was necessary and just."
An interesting idea, which countries would you put into each category?0 -
Nice of England to ensure myself and Scrapheap win money on Sri Lanka winning this test0
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Sri Lanka at 2.9 is looking attractive - they may declare soon...0
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The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?TheScreamingEagles said:
I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.Cyclefree said:I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.
No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.
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@TSE
No they haven't. There hadn't been a vote for a Greater Manchester mayor.
You voted for a mayor for the City of Manchester - an entirely pointless enterprise as it covers just a small sliver of the conurbation.
People seem really confused about this concept.
Manchester = Westminister
Greater Manchester = Greater London.0 -
Plus 9% for David Lammy of black smoke fame... Sees racism in everything, heaven help us if Labour winSocrates said:17% of Labour voters openly supporting a racist candidate.
A further 8% supporting someone that plays race politics by giving preferential treatment to some groups.
They truly are the nasty party.
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One potential black swan is whether all the blood curdling threats emerging from British jihadis in Syria and Iraq come to pass. London is a prime target and needs a Mayor who is - and is perceived - as being on the side of all Londoners rather than as one favouring particular groups. And regardless of this I loathe the way politicians - particularly (but not exclusively) of the Left - view people as part of some particular group or community as if the one characteristic they've chosen determines a person's every thought and interest.Morris_Dancer said:Indeed, Miss Cyclefree (and Mr. Socrates). I'm sure ethnic quotas will help improve community relations...
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FPT:
Charles: "Further to your question about smurf potatos this morning"
Have you and Dan Quayle ever been seen in the same room together?0 -
Belgium didn't have any choice, one presumes.Socrates said:
It was obviously a mistake for Austro-Hungary, who saw their empire dismantled as a result, and Germany, which saw huge territorial losses and massive reparations. The same goes for Russia, who would have lost Serbia as a satellite state if they had not intervened, but that would have been a small cost compared to the revolution they faced. For France it was critical to intervene, lest an aggressive, autocratic Germany gain huge gains in Eastern Europe and dominate them permanently afterwards. A similar logic applies to Britain.HurstLlama said:@Socrates
"As for the First World War, I think there's a danger casting it as one collective mistake. Different nations made different decisions to be involved. For some it was a huge mistake. For others it was necessary and just."
An interesting idea, which countries would you put into each category?
One might also suggest ...
Australia, Newfoundland, Canada, SA? - all important in cementing national identity and separating their thinking from subordination to London? (Gallipoli, Somme, Vimy Ridge, Pozieres ...).
Japan did nicely for relatively little effort, building up an ex-German empire in China and the Pacific ready to expand.
And the US did very, very well out of staying out while trading, and then coming in late. But it also brought the flu pandemic from its army camps.
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Of course, ethnic quotas only apply to ethnic minorities. If people of British whites do worse than another group, quotas aren't needed there.Morris_Dancer said:Indeed, Miss Cyclefree (and Mr. Socrates). I'm sure ethnic quotas will help improve community relations...
It's simple divide and rule race politics.0 -
Well Lammy was hardly "clued up" when he appeared on Mastermind though his comments after the 2011 riots were thoughtful. Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges. Adonis is probably the most thoughtful and clued up Labourite on the list but will never be chosen by the Labour electorate, sadly.TheWatcher said:
The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?TheScreamingEagles said:
I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.Cyclefree said:I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.
No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.
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Anyone betting on this (except perhaps on long-shots like Henry G's original 33/1 tip) needs to understand both the timing of the selection process and how it will work, because both factors make a huge difference to the likely outcome. My understanding is that Labour are not selecting until 2015, after the GE, and that the process will be some kind of Open Primary - does anyone have more details?
In the meantime, I disagree with Mike on the Sadiq Khan 8/1 being value. I'm already on Khan at much longer odds, but 8/1 is too short as at now, considering that:
(a) You have to tie your cash up for two years
(b) That 8/1 only comes in if Labour win, and that is quite doubtful if Ed M is in No 10 by then - in such a scenario, Labour are likely to be very unpopular by May 2016, losing seats in local and mayoral elections just as the Socialists in France have been doing.
(c) On the Labour selection itself, we don't know who the candidates are, what their pitches will be, who the unions will be backing, and who the voters in the 'open primary' will actually comprise - predominantly party members and/or union activists, or a wide selection of the public, mainly Labour supporters or more mixed?
That's a lot of uncertainty even if you agree, as I do, that Sadiq Khan is a strong runner.0 -
just the NUT ters - the more sane unions aren't.Neil said:0 -
It's simple divide and rule race politics.
If you are a northern labour canvasser, it must be difficult to explain away politicians like Khan and Abbott to WWC voters. Especially when UKIP is breathing down your neck.
Perhaps this is where the pressure on Milli is coming from.0 -
If you don't like the figures, change them.
"Prof Woodroffe says that it won't be possible to compare last year's figures with the next set if the method used to count the badgers that have been killed is changed."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27926951
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Afternoon all
One of the things I dislike about this site now is the way everyone feels the need to report anything and everything. Every time Andy Murray breathes there'll be some numpty putting up a line about it - yes, yes, I know all about in-running betting but you wouldn't do that off politicalbetting.com so what's the point ?
There's a poll and four people have to tell us about it - why ?
On-topic, Boris is the key to all this. IF he decides not to run for a third term, the race is wide open as I can't see an obvious Conservative who would be able to reach non-Tory voters the way Boris can and on the evidence of the local elections in May, the Labour candidate would win and win well. If he does decide to run again in 2016, he would be favourite.
Then again so much hinges on next year's GE. IF Labour win, it's perfectly possible they'll carry the 2016 Mayoralty before rising interest rates and mid-term unpopularity cause them real problems (London Conservatives should be looking forward to the 2018 locals on that basis).
IF the Conservatives prevail next year, they may also be able to retain the Mayoralty as Labour will be licking its wounds but by 2018, the Conservatives could be in serious electoral trouble..
A couple of observations, IF Farage ran for UKIP, what difference (if any) would it make ? Second, does London 2016 offer the LDs a chance to fight back which would mean in London terms a clear if distant third.0 -
Indeed. You can't have proper transport or economic reform when you cover just the city centre, nor would such a mayor have the status on the national stage to be listened to. This is one of the reasons Paris has fallen behind London.BobaFett said:@TSE
No they haven't. There hadn't been a vote for a Greater Manchester mayor.
You voted for a mayor for the City of Manchester - an entirely pointless enterprise as it covers just a small sliver of the conurbation.
People seem really confused about this concept.
Manchester = Westminister
Greater Manchester = Greater London.0 -
It's more closed than open I think - party members, affiliate members (those who have opted in?) and people who sign up to take part in it.Richard_Nabavi said:and that the process will be some kind of Open Primary - does anyone have more details?
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Other than his preferential treatment madness, Khan is a decent politician. He just needs to quietly ditch it and hope he doesn't become defined by it.taffys said:It's simple divide and rule race politics.
If you are a northern labour canvasser, it must be difficult to explain away politicians like Khan and Abbott to WWC voters. Especially when UKIP is breathing down your neck.
Perhaps this is where the pressure on Milli is coming from.
Abbott on the other hand...0 -
Oooh. Where can I sign up to vote?Neil said:
It's more closed than open I think - party members, affiliate members (those who have opted in?) and people who sign up to take part in it.Richard_Nabavi said:and that the process will be some kind of Open Primary - does anyone have more details?
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Yes, that is consistent with what I understood. Such a process favours a union stitch-up, which probably means not Tessa.Neil said:
It's more closed than open I think - party members, affiliate members (those who have opted in?) and people who sign up to take part in it.Richard_Nabavi said:and that the process will be some kind of Open Primary - does anyone have more details?
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This is the same old Boris for next Tory leader scenario again, where the results very much reflect how recognisable each candidate appears to the public.
This is evidenced by the fact that a large majority, 60% no less of those polled either didn't have a preference or answered "none of these". The 40% who actually expressed an opinion opted in the main for one of the 2 candidates they had actually heard of, simply because they have been around longer than the other 4 and/or have made more TV appearances.
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Was this the last equivalent poll (when Eddie Izzard hadnt ruled himself out)?
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vib3vot67b/YG-Archive-London-Evening-Standard-results-111013.pdf0 -
Kate Hoey should give it a go.Cyclefree said:
Well Lammy was hardly "clued up" when he appeared on Mastermind though his comments after the 2011 riots were thoughtful. Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges. Adonis is probably the most thoughtful and clued up Labourite on the list but will never be chosen by the Labour electorate, sadly.TheWatcher said:
The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?TheScreamingEagles said:
I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.Cyclefree said:I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.
No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.
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Betfair still has SL at over 2-1?TheScreamingEagles said:Nice of England to ensure myself and Scrapheap win money on Sri Lanka winning this test
Fixed odds they are as low as 5/4?
Draw tumbling, is there rain around? Can't explain this otherwise.
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It's a shame that Frank Field, the only other Labour MP that many rightwingers can bring themselves to admit to liking, is based too far from London to give it a go.TheWatcher said:
Kate Hoey should give it a go.Cyclefree said:
Well Lammy was hardly "clued up" when he appeared on Mastermind though his comments after the 2011 riots were thoughtful. Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges. Adonis is probably the most thoughtful and clued up Labourite on the list but will never be chosen by the Labour electorate, sadly.TheWatcher said:
The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?TheScreamingEagles said:
I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.Cyclefree said:I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.
No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.0 -
I think that's a good bet at this stage - Khan manages to seem authoritative without being authoritarian (David is a bit heavy on the "old-fashioned discipline" themes for the taste of many Labour people, and Diane has been on too many TV shows to be good for her party image). Doreen might be hard to beat if she stood, though.
FPT: I noticed a pro-Labour swing at the weekend that I'd not encountered for a while - quite a lot of people previously canvassed as don't know coming off the fence. As I said on Saturday, so far as I could pin it down it was people who had been apathetic former Labour becoming more interested, joking about Cameron's potholes and grumbling about the media's treatment of Miliband. I'm not sure that raising the political temperature is doing the Tories any good - they may need low turnout and general apathy.0 -
Per Wikipedia he was his MP, and visted him in prison, which he certainly should have done since it involved a rather odd extradition. Is there anything else there that you're referring to?Cyclefree said:
Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges.TheWatcher said:
The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?TheScreamingEagles said:
I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.Cyclefree said:I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.
No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.
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Draw price tumbling as Lanka could bat until tomorrow.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Betfair still has SL at over 2-1?TheScreamingEagles said:Nice of England to ensure myself and Scrapheap win money on Sri Lanka winning this test
Fixed odds they are as low as 5/4?
Draw tumbling, is there rain around? Can't explain this otherwise.0 -
They picked a Wednesday for the biggest industrial action of recent decades (30 November 2011). Ed handled PMQs that day just fine.TGOHF said:0 -
I think people are thinking the wicket has flattened out again.... rather insulting to the SL batsmen & bowlers and flattering to the Eng bowlers who've been [english football defence]TGOHF said:
Draw price tumbling as Lanka could bat until tomorrow.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Betfair still has SL at over 2-1?TheScreamingEagles said:Nice of England to ensure myself and Scrapheap win money on Sri Lanka winning this test
Fixed odds they are as low as 5/4?
Draw tumbling, is there rain around? Can't explain this otherwise.0 -
I would probably vote for David Lammy (Tory candidate dependent), but there is not even the slightest possibility that I would consider voting for Sadiq Khan. The Tories could put up a donkey with a blue rosette and I would vote for the donkey before Sadiq Khan.0
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The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.TGOHF said:0 -
Daily Mail: "Just 10% of people think Miliband has good policies and looks like a Prime Minister (and 8% want Gordon Brown back)"
May God preserve us.
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@Neil
Here's a union that will send shivers down Cameron's spine.
"Doctors chief: we will fight government over NHS cuts and private tendering."
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/23/bma-doctors-fight-goverment-nhs-cuts0 -
Quite. Yet the fact that highly intelligent people like @TSE don't grasp the difference tells me that the government - Lab and Con - have made a complete hash of what is a relatively straightforward concept.Socrates said:
Indeed. You can't have proper transport or economic reform when you cover just the city centre, nor would such a mayor have the status on the national stage to be listened to. This is one of the reasons Paris has fallen behind London.BobaFett said:@TSE
No they haven't. There hadn't been a vote for a Greater Manchester mayor.
You voted for a mayor for the City of Manchester - an entirely pointless enterprise as it covers just a small sliver of the conurbation.
People seem really confused about this concept.
Manchester = Westminister
Greater Manchester = Greater London.0 -
Jon Cruddas should run.. .possibly the only southern Labour MP who has any idea on how to balance the feelings of WWC and ethnic minoritiesNeil said:
It's a shame that Frank Field, the only other Labour MP that many rightwingers can bring themselves to admit to liking, is based too far from London to give it a go.TheWatcher said:
Kate Hoey should give it a go.Cyclefree said:
Well Lammy was hardly "clued up" when he appeared on Mastermind though his comments after the 2011 riots were thoughtful. Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges. Adonis is probably the most thoughtful and clued up Labourite on the list but will never be chosen by the Labour electorate, sadly.TheWatcher said:
The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?TheScreamingEagles said:
I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.Cyclefree said:I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.
No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.0 -
Since it is traditional that the Mayor of London should spend much of the term feuding with the leader of his or her own party, shouldn't Labour try to get David Miliband to be their candidate?0
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You think Ed will still be Labour leader in 2016?Richard_Nabavi said:Since it is traditional that the Mayor of London should spend much of the term feuding with the leader of his or her own party, shouldn't Labour try to get David Miliband to be their candidate?
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Good point!Neil said:
You think Ed will still be Labour leader in 2016?Richard_Nabavi said:Since it is traditional that the Mayor of London should spend much of the term feuding with the leader of his or her own party, shouldn't Labour try to get David Miliband to be their candidate?
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Here's a union that will send shivers down Cameron's spine.
"Doctors chief: we will fight government over NHS cuts and private tendering."
True, although it might not be as totally negative for the government as it might at first seem.
especially when the government starts leaking details of the doctors' salaries, pensions, holidays, sabbaticals, preference for working part time etc.etc.etc.
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I've bailed on my red draw...
England are going to be batting to save the test at this rate.0 -
If not Boris, who will the Tory candidate be?
The only person I can think of who might be able to beat Labour is Seb Coe, but he seems more interested in Sports administration now. Would be interesting to see how he polled up against the obvious Labour choices. Pretty well, I would guess0 -
Tory voters would welcome Brown back....peter_from_putney said:Daily Mail: "Just 10% of people think Miliband has good policies and looks like a Prime Minister (and 8% want Gordon Brown back)"
May God preserve us.0 -
SL vs Eng cross-over to the former...Pulpstar said:I've bailed on my red draw...
England are going to be batting to save the test at this rate.0 -
The Tories are at the trough again:
Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes 52m
Tory MEP Troughers Try to Shut Down Dubrovnik Jolly Junket Story http://guyfawk.es/1syPCAa0 -
Priti Patel?shadsy said:If not Boris, who will the Tory candidate be?
The only person I can think of who might be able to beat Labour is Seb Coe, but he seems more interested in Sports administration now. Would be interesting to see how he polled up against the obvious Labour choices. Pretty well, I would guess0 -
People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.Neil said:
The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.TGOHF said:0 -
We will get a wicket now, just shifted my red to England.0
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10920040/David-Cameron-may-leave-EU-if-Juncker-is-appointed-No-10-suggests.html
"Downing Street refuses to rule out campaigning for a 'no' vote in any future referendum on the future of Britain's place in the EU in an effort to spur Europe into action on reform"0 -
I refer you to what Ed himself said to Cameron on 30 November 2011:TGOHF said:
People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.Neil said:
The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.TGOHF said:
"Unlike you, I'm not going to demonise the dinner lady, the cleaner, the nurse - people who earn in a [year] what the chancellor pays for his annual skiing holiday."0 -
Of course Seb would do well - he's a recognisable personality as is Eddie Izzard for Labour - precisely my point.shadsy said:If not Boris, who will the Tory candidate be?
The only person I can think of who might be able to beat Labour is Seb Coe, but he seems more interested in Sports administration now. Would be interesting to see how he polled up against the obvious Labour choices. Pretty well, I would guess
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Could Seb be President of the IAAF, Chairman of the BBC Trust (according to some speculation) and London Mayor at the same time?!shadsy said:
The only person I can think of who might be able to beat Labour is Seb Coe, but he seems more interested in Sports administration now. Would be interesting to see how he polled up against the obvious Labour choices. Pretty well, I would guess 0 -
My understanding - but do your own due diligence etc - is that he has given inconsistent accounts, when asked, about his friendship with Mr Ahmad and how long they have been friends and the nature of it. I.e. the relationship between them may have been more than simply an MP visiting a constituent. I don't know whether this amounts to anything but one would hope that someone in his position would not want to be giving tricksy answers about something like that. He was quite vocal in his support for Mr Ahmad and his claim to want a trial in the UK rather than in the US and an MP is entitled to take up causes like this. It was the nature of the personal relationship between them and whether Khan had been transparent about that which has been raised in the past and could - in the future - be raised again.edmundintokyo said:
Per Wikipedia he was his MP, and visted him in prison, which he certainly should have done since it involved a rather odd extradition. Is there anything else there that you're referring to?Cyclefree said:
Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges.TheWatcher said:
The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?TheScreamingEagles said:
I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.Cyclefree said:I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.
No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.
It could, of course, be journalists trying to make bricks out of straw. But look at the grief Boris got over that stupid call with his Darius Guppy friend.
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I wonder if Ms Jowell meets Isam’s exacting standards as to what is & what is not, a true Londoner?0
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Kettles, Pots.MikeK said:The Tories are at the trough again:
Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes 52m
Tory MEP Troughers Try to Shut Down Dubrovnik Jolly Junket Story http://guyfawk.es/1syPCAa
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Did millionaire IHT avoiding Ed really say that ?Neil said:
I refer you to what Ed himself said to Cameron on 30 November 2011:TGOHF said:
People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.Neil said:
The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.TGOHF said:
"Unlike you, I'm not going to demonise the dinner lady, the cleaner, the nurse - people who earn in a [year] what the chancellor pays for his annual skiing holiday."0 -
"Downing Street refuses to rule out campaigning for a 'no' vote in any future referendum on the future of Britain's place in the EU in an effort to spur Europe into action on reform"
Well that might change the political weather somewhat.
We'd be mad to wait to 2017 though. That would leave 3 years for them to try to shaft us.
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I'm sure you'll find it or something very close to it in Hansards.TGOHF said:
Did millionaire IHT avoiding Ed really say that ?Neil said:
I refer you to what Ed himself said to Cameron on 30 November 2011:TGOHF said:
People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.Neil said:
The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.TGOHF said:
"Unlike you, I'm not going to demonise the dinner lady, the cleaner, the nurse - people who earn in a [year] what the chancellor pays for his annual skiing holiday."0 -
England are f*cked.0
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Just 10 months later - 30th Sep 2012Neil said:
I'm sure you'll it or something very close to it in Hansards.TGOHF said:
Did millionaire IHT avoiding Ed really say that ?Neil said:
I refer you to what Ed himself said to Cameron on 30 November 2011:TGOHF said:
People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.Neil said:
The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.TGOHF said:
"Unlike you, I'm not going to demonise the dinner lady, the cleaner, the nurse - people who earn in a [year] what the chancellor pays for his annual skiing holiday."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19777201
"Ed Miliband has hit back at a trade union leader who described his backing for a public sector pay freeze as "crazy".
Unite leader Len McCluskey - whose union is one of Labour's biggest financial backers - said his members were "furious" with the Labour leader.
And he threatened to pull funding for Labour MPs over the issue.
But Mr Miliband told the BBC Labour had no future if it was dominated by pressure groups like the unions."
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O/T have for the first time today submitted an objection to a planning application. An absentee farmer wants to put a 45m wind turbine on a hillside in the Forest of Bowland (an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty) that will be visible from Ingleborough and Pen-y-Gent... There are no other wind turbines on the landscape...
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Fate works in mysterious ways. The downright hypocrisy of (REDACTED) who has the nerve to go on TV complaining about the fact that (REDACTED) depite the fact that he himself (REDACTED) a number of years ago. As far as I'm concerned it's a pity that he was one of the people who (REDACTED) and that he's not one of the (REDACTED) who (REDACTED).
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just backed David Lammy @ 12s.
I like him. No doubt if I do enough research I will realise he is hopelessly inappropriate and a thorough cad but I am not going to do that research.0 -
When did he say he would reverse the impact of the pay freeze at PMQs? There are millions of public sector workers who would be delighted to hear of it.TGOHF said:0 -
Mr. 56, sounds like a good objection.
Depends. I don't like wind power at all, so if you feel the same way it's more a case of not in anyone's backyard.0
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