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edited June 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » YouGov has Tessa Jowell leading the way in London as next LAB candidate for mayor

Coming up in the next few months will be Labour’s selection process for their nominee who, given the party’s huge success in the capital on May 22nd, should be in with a strong chance. London was where they did best of all and within the party a lot of the credit for that has gone to the shadow minister for London, Sadiq Khan.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Sadiq? Yes He Khan
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Ms None of The Above, and Mr Don't Know are in with a good chance.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FPT @MorrisDancer

    Further to your question about smurf potatos this morning...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10919297/North-Yorkshire-road-closed-after-overturned-lorry-spills-instant-mashed-potato.html
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Is there no chance of Diane Abbott going for it?

    Her lead amongst those who intend to vote Labour is interesting.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Britain's Andy Murray wins the first set.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    By far the best choice on that list is "None of these".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Whilst a lot does depend on Boris standing, the other factor is, if Labour don't win in 2015, then I can see a few big Labour beasts throwing their names into the running.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Socrates FPT
    Bang on correct. The government's failure to get this moving is risible - Labour was just as bad if not worse. They got bogged down in loads of vested interests in the likes of Salford banging on about local identity, as if having a directly elected mayor for the whole of GM would somehow override whether local identity there is. Clearly it's the way forward, as you say, yet so far there's no sign of it happening outside London.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited June 2014
    *Downing Street is examining plans to encourage pensioners to retrain as teachers to fill gaps in the teaching of maths, engineering and English."

    Sounds laudable, but I can't help thinking that retraining those of a working age might be more useful?

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jun/23/retain-retired-teachers-tory-mps
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I do loathe humidity.

    Mr. Charles, surely you aren't suggesting some sort of smurf involvement?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    BobaFett said:

    @Socrates FPT
    Bang on correct. The government's failure to get this moving is risible - Labour was just as bad if not worse. They got bogged down in loads of vested interests in the likes of Salford banging on about local identity, as if having a directly elected mayor for the whole of GM would somehow override whether local identity there is. Clearly it's the way forward, as you say, yet so far there's no sign of it happening outside London.

    There were plebiscites, I voted against a Directly Elected Manchester Mayor.

    The people have spoken.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited June 2014
    17% of Labour voters openly supporting a racist candidate.

    A further 8% supporting someone that plays race politics by giving preferential treatment to some groups.

    They truly are the nasty party.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Moniker

    Well this is supposed to be a betting site, as hard as that is for you to grasp. These are the runners and riders. Your personal choice, whoever that may be, is irrelevant and in event would doubtless stand zero chance of victory.
  • GarethofthevaleGarethofthevale Posts: 503
    I find it odd that Labour will select a candidate this year. Surely better to wait until after the GE. As mentioned if Labour wins Khan may be in Government.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Indeed, Miss Cyclefree (and Mr. Socrates). I'm sure ethnic quotas will help improve community relations...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Cyclefree said:

    I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.

    I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ed Balls and Nick Palmer should be available after next May...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,524
    Socrates said:

    17% of Labour voters openly supporting a racist candidate.

    A further 8% supporting someone that plays race politics by giving preferential treatment to some groups.

    They truly are the nasty party.

    That's London's politics for you.

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    The Tories can rejoice, There will be loads of strikes this year for them to moan about.

    BBC breaking
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Socrates said:

    17% of Labour voters openly supporting a racist candidate.

    A further 8% supporting someone that plays race politics by giving preferential treatment to some groups.

    They truly are the nasty party.

    How does that impact on the betting?

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    HurstLlama said:

    @Socrates

    "As for the First World War, I think there's a danger casting it as one collective mistake. Different nations made different decisions to be involved. For some it was a huge mistake. For others it was necessary and just."

    An interesting idea, which countries would you put into each category?

    It was obviously a mistake for Austro-Hungary, who saw their empire dismantled as a result, and Germany, which saw huge territorial losses and massive reparations. The same goes for Russia, who would have lost Serbia as a satellite state if they had not intervened, but that would have been a small cost compared to the revolution they faced. For France it was critical to intervene, lest an aggressive, autocratic Germany gain huge gains in Eastern Europe and dominate them permanently afterwards. A similar logic applies to Britain.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Nice of England to ensure myself and Scrapheap win money on Sri Lanka winning this test
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sri Lanka at 2.9 is looking attractive - they may declare soon...
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.

    I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.
    The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?

    No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @TSE
    No they haven't. There hadn't been a vote for a Greater Manchester mayor.
    You voted for a mayor for the City of Manchester - an entirely pointless enterprise as it covers just a small sliver of the conurbation.

    People seem really confused about this concept.

    Manchester = Westminister
    Greater Manchester = Greater London.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Socrates said:

    17% of Labour voters openly supporting a racist candidate.

    A further 8% supporting someone that plays race politics by giving preferential treatment to some groups.

    They truly are the nasty party.

    Plus 9% for David Lammy of black smoke fame... Sees racism in everything, heaven help us if Labour win
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Indeed, Miss Cyclefree (and Mr. Socrates). I'm sure ethnic quotas will help improve community relations...

    One potential black swan is whether all the blood curdling threats emerging from British jihadis in Syria and Iraq come to pass. London is a prime target and needs a Mayor who is - and is perceived - as being on the side of all Londoners rather than as one favouring particular groups. And regardless of this I loathe the way politicians - particularly (but not exclusively) of the Left - view people as part of some particular group or community as if the one characteristic they've chosen determines a person's every thought and interest.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited June 2014
    Smarmeron said:

    The Tories can rejoice, There will be loads of strikes this year for them to moan about.

    BBC breaking

    Will anyone notice ? Oh no my council tax bill is a day late...
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    FPT:

    Charles: "Further to your question about smurf potatos this morning"

    Have you and Dan Quayle ever been seen in the same room together?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,334
    Socrates said:

    HurstLlama said:

    @Socrates

    "As for the First World War, I think there's a danger casting it as one collective mistake. Different nations made different decisions to be involved. For some it was a huge mistake. For others it was necessary and just."

    An interesting idea, which countries would you put into each category?

    It was obviously a mistake for Austro-Hungary, who saw their empire dismantled as a result, and Germany, which saw huge territorial losses and massive reparations. The same goes for Russia, who would have lost Serbia as a satellite state if they had not intervened, but that would have been a small cost compared to the revolution they faced. For France it was critical to intervene, lest an aggressive, autocratic Germany gain huge gains in Eastern Europe and dominate them permanently afterwards. A similar logic applies to Britain.
    Belgium didn't have any choice, one presumes.

    One might also suggest ...

    Australia, Newfoundland, Canada, SA? - all important in cementing national identity and separating their thinking from subordination to London? (Gallipoli, Somme, Vimy Ridge, Pozieres ...).

    Japan did nicely for relatively little effort, building up an ex-German empire in China and the Pacific ready to expand.

    And the US did very, very well out of staying out while trading, and then coming in late. But it also brought the flu pandemic from its army camps.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Indeed, Miss Cyclefree (and Mr. Socrates). I'm sure ethnic quotas will help improve community relations...

    Of course, ethnic quotas only apply to ethnic minorities. If people of British whites do worse than another group, quotas aren't needed there.

    It's simple divide and rule race politics.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.

    I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.
    The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?

    No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.

    Well Lammy was hardly "clued up" when he appeared on Mastermind though his comments after the 2011 riots were thoughtful. Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges. Adonis is probably the most thoughtful and clued up Labourite on the list but will never be chosen by the Labour electorate, sadly.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    The Tories can rejoice, There will be loads of strikes this year for them to moan about.

    BBC breaking

    Will anyone notice ? Oh no my council tax bill is a day late...
    The teachers are joining in - I'd be shocked if you didnt notice.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited June 2014
    Anyone betting on this (except perhaps on long-shots like Henry G's original 33/1 tip) needs to understand both the timing of the selection process and how it will work, because both factors make a huge difference to the likely outcome. My understanding is that Labour are not selecting until 2015, after the GE, and that the process will be some kind of Open Primary - does anyone have more details?

    In the meantime, I disagree with Mike on the Sadiq Khan 8/1 being value. I'm already on Khan at much longer odds, but 8/1 is too short as at now, considering that:

    (a) You have to tie your cash up for two years

    (b) That 8/1 only comes in if Labour win, and that is quite doubtful if Ed M is in No 10 by then - in such a scenario, Labour are likely to be very unpopular by May 2016, losing seats in local and mayoral elections just as the Socialists in France have been doing.

    (c) On the Labour selection itself, we don't know who the candidates are, what their pitches will be, who the unions will be backing, and who the voters in the 'open primary' will actually comprise - predominantly party members and/or union activists, or a wide selection of the public, mainly Labour supporters or more mixed?

    That's a lot of uncertainty even if you agree, as I do, that Sadiq Khan is a strong runner.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited June 2014
    It's simple divide and rule race politics.

    If you are a northern labour canvasser, it must be difficult to explain away politicians like Khan and Abbott to WWC voters. Especially when UKIP is breathing down your neck.

    Perhaps this is where the pressure on Milli is coming from.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    The Tories can rejoice, There will be loads of strikes this year for them to moan about.

    BBC breaking

    Will anyone notice ? Oh no my council tax bill is a day late...
    The teachers are joining in - I'd be shocked if you didnt notice.
    just the NUT ters - the more sane unions aren't.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited June 2014
    If you don't like the figures, change them.

    "Prof Woodroffe says that it won't be possible to compare last year's figures with the next set if the method used to count the badgers that have been killed is changed."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27926951
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TGOHF

    And insane midwives?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    Afternoon all :)

    One of the things I dislike about this site now is the way everyone feels the need to report anything and everything. Every time Andy Murray breathes there'll be some numpty putting up a line about it - yes, yes, I know all about in-running betting but you wouldn't do that off politicalbetting.com so what's the point ?

    There's a poll and four people have to tell us about it - why ?

    On-topic, Boris is the key to all this. IF he decides not to run for a third term, the race is wide open as I can't see an obvious Conservative who would be able to reach non-Tory voters the way Boris can and on the evidence of the local elections in May, the Labour candidate would win and win well. If he does decide to run again in 2016, he would be favourite.

    Then again so much hinges on next year's GE. IF Labour win, it's perfectly possible they'll carry the 2016 Mayoralty before rising interest rates and mid-term unpopularity cause them real problems (London Conservatives should be looking forward to the 2018 locals on that basis).

    IF the Conservatives prevail next year, they may also be able to retain the Mayoralty as Labour will be licking its wounds but by 2018, the Conservatives could be in serious electoral trouble..

    A couple of observations, IF Farage ran for UKIP, what difference (if any) would it make ? Second, does London 2016 offer the LDs a chance to fight back which would mean in London terms a clear if distant third.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    BobaFett said:

    @TSE
    No they haven't. There hadn't been a vote for a Greater Manchester mayor.
    You voted for a mayor for the City of Manchester - an entirely pointless enterprise as it covers just a small sliver of the conurbation.

    People seem really confused about this concept.

    Manchester = Westminister
    Greater Manchester = Greater London.

    Indeed. You can't have proper transport or economic reform when you cover just the city centre, nor would such a mayor have the status on the national stage to be listened to. This is one of the reasons Paris has fallen behind London.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    And insane midwives?

    Any private sector workers going on strike in this "day of whining ?"

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    and that the process will be some kind of Open Primary - does anyone have more details?

    It's more closed than open I think - party members, affiliate members (those who have opted in?) and people who sign up to take part in it.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    And insane midwives?

    Madwives?

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    taffys said:

    It's simple divide and rule race politics.

    If you are a northern labour canvasser, it must be difficult to explain away politicians like Khan and Abbott to WWC voters. Especially when UKIP is breathing down your neck.

    Perhaps this is where the pressure on Milli is coming from.

    Other than his preferential treatment madness, Khan is a decent politician. He just needs to quietly ditch it and hope he doesn't become defined by it.

    Abbott on the other hand...
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Neil said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    and that the process will be some kind of Open Primary - does anyone have more details?

    It's more closed than open I think - party members, affiliate members (those who have opted in?) and people who sign up to take part in it.
    Oooh. Where can I sign up to vote?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Neil said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    and that the process will be some kind of Open Primary - does anyone have more details?

    It's more closed than open I think - party members, affiliate members (those who have opted in?) and people who sign up to take part in it.
    Yes, that is consistent with what I understood. Such a process favours a union stitch-up, which probably means not Tessa.

  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited June 2014
    This is the same old Boris for next Tory leader scenario again, where the results very much reflect how recognisable each candidate appears to the public.
    This is evidenced by the fact that a large majority, 60% no less of those polled either didn't have a preference or answered "none of these". The 40% who actually expressed an opinion opted in the main for one of the 2 candidates they had actually heard of, simply because they have been around longer than the other 4 and/or have made more TV appearances.
    Sorry, but I view this type of survey as being largely a waste of time and effort.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing

    They should pick a Wednesday when PMQ's are on - Ed would find it er .. amusing.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Was this the last equivalent poll (when Eddie Izzard hadnt ruled himself out)?

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vib3vot67b/YG-Archive-London-Evening-Standard-results-111013.pdf
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Cyclefree said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.

    I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.
    The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?

    No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.

    Well Lammy was hardly "clued up" when he appeared on Mastermind though his comments after the 2011 riots were thoughtful. Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges. Adonis is probably the most thoughtful and clued up Labourite on the list but will never be chosen by the Labour electorate, sadly.

    Kate Hoey should give it a go.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nice of England to ensure myself and Scrapheap win money on Sri Lanka winning this test

    Betfair still has SL at over 2-1?

    Fixed odds they are as low as 5/4?

    Draw tumbling, is there rain around? Can't explain this otherwise.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TheWatcher said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.

    I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.
    The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?

    No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.

    Well Lammy was hardly "clued up" when he appeared on Mastermind though his comments after the 2011 riots were thoughtful. Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges. Adonis is probably the most thoughtful and clued up Labourite on the list but will never be chosen by the Labour electorate, sadly.

    Kate Hoey should give it a go.
    It's a shame that Frank Field, the only other Labour MP that many rightwingers can bring themselves to admit to liking, is based too far from London to give it a go.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,561
    I think that's a good bet at this stage - Khan manages to seem authoritative without being authoritarian (David is a bit heavy on the "old-fashioned discipline" themes for the taste of many Labour people, and Diane has been on too many TV shows to be good for her party image). Doreen might be hard to beat if she stood, though.

    FPT: I noticed a pro-Labour swing at the weekend that I'd not encountered for a while - quite a lot of people previously canvassed as don't know coming off the fence. As I said on Saturday, so far as I could pin it down it was people who had been apathetic former Labour becoming more interested, joking about Cameron's potholes and grumbling about the media's treatment of Miliband. I'm not sure that raising the political temperature is doing the Tories any good - they may need low turnout and general apathy.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Cyclefree said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.

    I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.
    The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?

    No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.

    Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges.
    Per Wikipedia he was his MP, and visted him in prison, which he certainly should have done since it involved a rather odd extradition. Is there anything else there that you're referring to?

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nice of England to ensure myself and Scrapheap win money on Sri Lanka winning this test

    Betfair still has SL at over 2-1?

    Fixed odds they are as low as 5/4?

    Draw tumbling, is there rain around? Can't explain this otherwise.
    Draw price tumbling as Lanka could bat until tomorrow.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited June 2014
    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing

    They should pick a Wednesday when PMQ's are on - Ed would find it er .. amusing.
    They picked a Wednesday for the biggest industrial action of recent decades (30 November 2011). Ed handled PMQs that day just fine.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited June 2014
    TGOHF said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nice of England to ensure myself and Scrapheap win money on Sri Lanka winning this test

    Betfair still has SL at over 2-1?

    Fixed odds they are as low as 5/4?

    Draw tumbling, is there rain around? Can't explain this otherwise.
    Draw price tumbling as Lanka could bat until tomorrow.
    I think people are thinking the wicket has flattened out again.... rather insulting to the SL batsmen & bowlers and flattering to the Eng bowlers who've been [english football defence]
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing

    They should pick a Wednesday when PMQ's are on - Ed would find it er .. amusing.
    They picked a Wednesday for the biggest industrial action of recent decades (30 November 2011). Ed handled PMQs that day just fine.
    Reflected in his personal ratings ? Seen as been on the side of the lazy lying on a sofa ?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,036
    I would probably vote for David Lammy (Tory candidate dependent), but there is not even the slightest possibility that I would consider voting for Sadiq Khan. The Tories could put up a donkey with a blue rosette and I would vote for the donkey before Sadiq Khan.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing

    They should pick a Wednesday when PMQ's are on - Ed would find it er .. amusing.
    They picked a Wednesday for the biggest industrial action of recent decades (30 November 2011). Ed handled PMQs that day just fine.
    Reflected in his personal ratings ? Seen as been on the side of the lazy lying on a sofa ?
    The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Daily Mail: "Just 10% of people think Miliband has good policies and looks like a Prime Minister (and 8% want Gordon Brown back)"

    May God preserve us.

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Neil

    Here's a union that will send shivers down Cameron's spine.
    "Doctors chief: we will fight government over NHS cuts and private tendering."

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/23/bma-doctors-fight-goverment-nhs-cuts
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Socrates said:

    BobaFett said:

    @TSE
    No they haven't. There hadn't been a vote for a Greater Manchester mayor.
    You voted for a mayor for the City of Manchester - an entirely pointless enterprise as it covers just a small sliver of the conurbation.

    People seem really confused about this concept.

    Manchester = Westminister
    Greater Manchester = Greater London.

    Indeed. You can't have proper transport or economic reform when you cover just the city centre, nor would such a mayor have the status on the national stage to be listened to. This is one of the reasons Paris has fallen behind London.
    Quite. Yet the fact that highly intelligent people like @TSE don't grasp the difference tells me that the government - Lab and Con - have made a complete hash of what is a relatively straightforward concept.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Socrates

    Quite. Yet the fact that highly intelligent people like @TSE don't grasp the difference tells me that the government - Lab and Con - have made a complete hash of communicating what is a relatively straightforward concept.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Socrates

    Quite. Yet the fact that highly intelligent people like @TSE don't grasp the difference tells me that the government - Lab and Con - have made a complete hash of communicating what is a relatively straightforward concept.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited June 2014
    Neil said:

    TheWatcher said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.

    I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.
    The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?

    No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.

    Well Lammy was hardly "clued up" when he appeared on Mastermind though his comments after the 2011 riots were thoughtful. Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges. Adonis is probably the most thoughtful and clued up Labourite on the list but will never be chosen by the Labour electorate, sadly.

    Kate Hoey should give it a go.
    It's a shame that Frank Field, the only other Labour MP that many rightwingers can bring themselves to admit to liking, is based too far from London to give it a go.
    Jon Cruddas should run.. .possibly the only southern Labour MP who has any idea on how to balance the feelings of WWC and ethnic minorities
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Since it is traditional that the Mayor of London should spend much of the term feuding with the leader of his or her own party, shouldn't Labour try to get David Miliband to be their candidate?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Since it is traditional that the Mayor of London should spend much of the term feuding with the leader of his or her own party, shouldn't Labour try to get David Miliband to be their candidate?

    You think Ed will still be Labour leader in 2016? ;)
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Neil said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Since it is traditional that the Mayor of London should spend much of the term feuding with the leader of his or her own party, shouldn't Labour try to get David Miliband to be their candidate?

    You think Ed will still be Labour leader in 2016? ;)
    Good point!
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited June 2014
    Here's a union that will send shivers down Cameron's spine.
    "Doctors chief: we will fight government over NHS cuts and private tendering."

    True, although it might not be as totally negative for the government as it might at first seem.

    especially when the government starts leaking details of the doctors' salaries, pensions, holidays, sabbaticals, preference for working part time etc.etc.etc.

    Look what happened to the barristers
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    I've bailed on my red draw...

    England are going to be batting to save the test at this rate.
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    If not Boris, who will the Tory candidate be?

    The only person I can think of who might be able to beat Labour is Seb Coe, but he seems more interested in Sports administration now. Would be interesting to see how he polled up against the obvious Labour choices. Pretty well, I would guess
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    peter_from_putney said:

    Daily Mail: "Just 10% of people think Miliband has good policies and looks like a Prime Minister (and 8% want Gordon Brown back)"

    May God preserve us.

    Tory voters would welcome Brown back....
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Pulpstar said:

    I've bailed on my red draw...

    England are going to be batting to save the test at this rate.

    SL vs Eng cross-over to the former...
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The Tories are at the trough again:

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 52m
    Tory MEP Troughers Try to Shut Down Dubrovnik Jolly Junket Story http://guyfawk.es/1syPCAa
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    shadsy said:

    If not Boris, who will the Tory candidate be?

    The only person I can think of who might be able to beat Labour is Seb Coe, but he seems more interested in Sports administration now. Would be interesting to see how he polled up against the obvious Labour choices. Pretty well, I would guess

    Priti Patel?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    I've bailed on my red draw...

    England are going to be batting to save the test at this rate.

    Have piled in Lanka.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing

    They should pick a Wednesday when PMQ's are on - Ed would find it er .. amusing.
    They picked a Wednesday for the biggest industrial action of recent decades (30 November 2011). Ed handled PMQs that day just fine.
    Reflected in his personal ratings ? Seen as been on the side of the lazy lying on a sofa ?
    The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.
    People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    We will get a wicket now, just shifted my red to England.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10920040/David-Cameron-may-leave-EU-if-Juncker-is-appointed-No-10-suggests.html

    "Downing Street refuses to rule out campaigning for a 'no' vote in any future referendum on the future of Britain's place in the EU in an effort to spur Europe into action on reform"
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing

    They should pick a Wednesday when PMQ's are on - Ed would find it er .. amusing.
    They picked a Wednesday for the biggest industrial action of recent decades (30 November 2011). Ed handled PMQs that day just fine.
    Reflected in his personal ratings ? Seen as been on the side of the lazy lying on a sofa ?
    The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.
    People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.
    I refer you to what Ed himself said to Cameron on 30 November 2011:

    "Unlike you, I'm not going to demonise the dinner lady, the cleaner, the nurse - people who earn in a [year] what the chancellor pays for his annual skiing holiday."
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    shadsy said:

    If not Boris, who will the Tory candidate be?

    The only person I can think of who might be able to beat Labour is Seb Coe, but he seems more interested in Sports administration now. Would be interesting to see how he polled up against the obvious Labour choices. Pretty well, I would guess

    Of course Seb would do well - he's a recognisable personality as is Eddie Izzard for Labour - precisely my point.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    shadsy said:


    The only person I can think of who might be able to beat Labour is Seb Coe, but he seems more interested in Sports administration now. Would be interesting to see how he polled up against the obvious Labour choices. Pretty well, I would guess

    Could Seb be President of the IAAF, Chairman of the BBC Trust (according to some speculation) and London Mayor at the same time?! ;)
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    edmundintokyo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I would infinitely prefer Tessa Jowell to Sadiq Khan. She knows how to work with people from across the political spectrum. Khan talks about quotas for ethnic minorities.

    I like her, she was responsible for bringing the Olympics to London.
    The same Jowell, who had no idea that a joint mortgage had been paid off by her husband?

    No thanks, London deserves someone a bit more 'clued up'.

    Sadiq Khan has always been somewhat evasive about his friendship with Babar Ahmed, extradited to the US on terrorism charges.
    Per Wikipedia he was his MP, and visted him in prison, which he certainly should have done since it involved a rather odd extradition. Is there anything else there that you're referring to?

    My understanding - but do your own due diligence etc - is that he has given inconsistent accounts, when asked, about his friendship with Mr Ahmad and how long they have been friends and the nature of it. I.e. the relationship between them may have been more than simply an MP visiting a constituent. I don't know whether this amounts to anything but one would hope that someone in his position would not want to be giving tricksy answers about something like that. He was quite vocal in his support for Mr Ahmad and his claim to want a trial in the UK rather than in the US and an MP is entitled to take up causes like this. It was the nature of the personal relationship between them and whether Khan had been transparent about that which has been raised in the past and could - in the future - be raised again.

    It could, of course, be journalists trying to make bricks out of straw. But look at the grief Boris got over that stupid call with his Darius Guppy friend.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited June 2014
    I wonder if Ms Jowell meets Isam’s exacting standards as to what is & what is not, a true Londoner?
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    MikeK said:

    The Tories are at the trough again:

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 52m
    Tory MEP Troughers Try to Shut Down Dubrovnik Jolly Junket Story http://guyfawk.es/1syPCAa

    Kettles, Pots.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing

    They should pick a Wednesday when PMQ's are on - Ed would find it er .. amusing.
    They picked a Wednesday for the biggest industrial action of recent decades (30 November 2011). Ed handled PMQs that day just fine.
    Reflected in his personal ratings ? Seen as been on the side of the lazy lying on a sofa ?
    The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.
    People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.
    I refer you to what Ed himself said to Cameron on 30 November 2011:

    "Unlike you, I'm not going to demonise the dinner lady, the cleaner, the nurse - people who earn in a [year] what the chancellor pays for his annual skiing holiday."
    Did millionaire IHT avoiding Ed really say that ?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    "Downing Street refuses to rule out campaigning for a 'no' vote in any future referendum on the future of Britain's place in the EU in an effort to spur Europe into action on reform"

    Well that might change the political weather somewhat.

    We'd be mad to wait to 2017 though. That would leave 3 years for them to try to shaft us.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited June 2014
    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing

    They should pick a Wednesday when PMQ's are on - Ed would find it er .. amusing.
    They picked a Wednesday for the biggest industrial action of recent decades (30 November 2011). Ed handled PMQs that day just fine.
    Reflected in his personal ratings ? Seen as been on the side of the lazy lying on a sofa ?
    The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.
    People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.
    I refer you to what Ed himself said to Cameron on 30 November 2011:

    "Unlike you, I'm not going to demonise the dinner lady, the cleaner, the nurse - people who earn in a [year] what the chancellor pays for his annual skiing holiday."
    Did millionaire IHT avoiding Ed really say that ?
    I'm sure you'll find it or something very close to it in Hansards.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    England are f*cked.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You never know, if they all co-incidentally pick the same day. It might be rather amusing

    They should pick a Wednesday when PMQ's are on - Ed would find it er .. amusing.
    They picked a Wednesday for the biggest industrial action of recent decades (30 November 2011). Ed handled PMQs that day just fine.
    Reflected in his personal ratings ? Seen as been on the side of the lazy lying on a sofa ?
    The thing about striking is you have to have a job in the first place so trying to paint them as lazy shirkers is fairly stupid.
    People not working through choice aren't "lazy shirkers" - good luck spinning that one.
    I refer you to what Ed himself said to Cameron on 30 November 2011:

    "Unlike you, I'm not going to demonise the dinner lady, the cleaner, the nurse - people who earn in a [year] what the chancellor pays for his annual skiing holiday."
    Did millionaire IHT avoiding Ed really say that ?
    I'm sure you'll it or something very close to it in Hansards.
    Just 10 months later - 30th Sep 2012

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19777201

    "Ed Miliband has hit back at a trade union leader who described his backing for a public sector pay freeze as "crazy".

    Unite leader Len McCluskey - whose union is one of Labour's biggest financial backers - said his members were "furious" with the Labour leader.

    And he threatened to pull funding for Labour MPs over the issue.

    But Mr Miliband told the BBC Labour had no future if it was dominated by pressure groups like the unions."
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @TGOHF

    It's almost as if Ed is capable of taking an independent line that is the opposite of what the main trade unions donors to his party want!
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    O/T have for the first time today submitted an objection to a planning application. An absentee farmer wants to put a 45m wind turbine on a hillside in the Forest of Bowland (an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty) that will be visible from Ingleborough and Pen-y-Gent... There are no other wind turbines on the landscape...

    Does this make me a NIMBY?
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Fate works in mysterious ways. The downright hypocrisy of (REDACTED) who has the nerve to go on TV complaining about the fact that (REDACTED) depite the fact that he himself (REDACTED) a number of years ago. As far as I'm concerned it's a pity that he was one of the people who (REDACTED) and that he's not one of the (REDACTED) who (REDACTED).

    * this message has been edited to prevent OGH getting into trouble
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    just backed David Lammy @ 12s.

    I like him. No doubt if I do enough research I will realise he is hopelessly inappropriate and a thorough cad but I am not going to do that research.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    @TGOHF

    It's almost as if Ed is capable of taking an independent line that is the opposite of what the main trade unions donors to his party want!

    Pity he couldn't keep the same line at PMQs - I support pay freezes until er I don't then I do again.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    Neil said:

    @TGOHF

    It's almost as if Ed is capable of taking an independent line that is the opposite of what the main trade unions donors to his party want!

    Pity he couldn't keep the same line at PMQs - I support pay freezes until er I don't then I do again.

    When did he say he would reverse the impact of the pay freeze at PMQs? There are millions of public sector workers who would be delighted to hear of it.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. 56, sounds like a good objection.

    Depends. I don't like wind power at all, so if you feel the same way it's more a case of not in anyone's backyard.
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