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Trump bows out with the worst Gallup approval ratings ever for any President in 83 years of polling

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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    edited January 2021
    Charles said:

    Surely awful policies awfully implemented is better than awful policies efficiently implemented ?
    Unless the awful implementation was itself an awful thing to witness. Like when the electric chair malfunctions and they have to start again.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831

    I think the answer is that there is a great deal of hope that it is the solution and some trial data that indicates it probably will be but still plenty of unknowns.
    The more immediate answer is that we know the vaccines take two weeks to kick in and that a single shot only provides partial protection. I think most people would understand that if they were actually told.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,674
    edited January 2021
    Murder Tuesday with 1,610 deaths announced today.

    33,355 new infections.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    So, the government now admits that it deliberately and for purely abstract reasons decided to severely damage the UK music and culture industry, a big sector for the UK and important to our tourist industry. Here's the 'Culture Minister' (by which they seem to mean the 'Wrecking Culture Minister') explaining why:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1351513796213399553

    They are literally insane, aren't they? Was there a single referendum voter in the entire UK who objected to UK and EU musicians being able to put on concert tours in each other's countries without a load of ludicrous paperwork and expensive carnets?

    Well, it's a spoke in the radiohead wheel.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279

    Murder Tuesday with 1,610 deaths announced today.

    33,355 new infections.

    New infections are coming down fast.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Her BJ was a close second to whose, exactly?
    My wife and I went for a romantic weekend to a hotel years back.

    Very nice, double bath and extra large shower etc etc

    They had to ruin in by saying Maggie and Dennis used to stay in that room...........

    How to ruin the mood :smiley:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Lord Sumption: the monstering of a lockdown sceptic
    He's been the victim of a bad-faith effort to demonise criticism of government policy.
    Luke Gittos"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/19/lord-sumption-the-monstering-of-a-lockdown-sceptic/
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    kinabalu said:

    Omnium.
    A dagger to the heart, that post.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Murder Tuesday with 1,610 deaths announced today.

    33,355 new infections.

    What do you mean by Murder Tuesday?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    edited January 2021

    Lockdowns work.
    Yep, of course. They must do. Logically.

    I`d be effing furious if they didn`t.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Well, it's a spoke in the radiohead wheel.
    I think what probably happened is that the EU offered to allow UK musicians to tour, but wasn't prepared to limit those rules to just musicians but as part of a broader and less acceptable (to the Gov't) package, probably on FoM generally
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    Brom said:

    What do you mean by Murder Tuesday?
    Backfilling data that isn't reported on the weekend - so that numbers are always higher as reported on Tuesday/Wednesday.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Brom said:

    What do you mean by Murder Tuesday?
    Because of lags in reporting data over weekends, very often sunday/monday have fewer reported deaths, which then catch up on Tuesday (and Wed to some extent) giving the impression of a jump in deaths. Compare the date of death charts with date of reporting (on https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/). Date of reporting is lumpier data than date of death.
  • Brom said:

    What do you mean by Murder Tuesday?
    A piss take of the Daily Mail and other journos who didn't and still haven't realised that there's a weekend/bank holiday effect on reporting figures.

    They'd see a decrease Saturday/Sunday/Monday then report Tuesday's catch up figures as a massive increase.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810

    Do ya think he’s Scexy?
    :blush: - No way!

    If that's his game, trying to lure me in with that, I can assure you he is failing. He is failing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    IshmaelZ said:

    Well, it's a spoke in the radiohead wheel.
    Tough on Euro Techno, tough on the causes of...
    We have our own fine traditional native Drill scene. We don't want any of that foreign noise over here.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    kinabalu said:

    :blush: - No way!

    If that's his game, trying to lure me in with that, I can assure you he is failing. He is failing.
    So you say
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    Floater said:

    My wife and I went for a romantic weekend to a hotel years back.

    Very nice, double bath and extra large shower etc etc

    They had to ruin in by saying Maggie and Dennis used to stay in that room...........

    How to ruin the mood :smiley:
    Some on here would be invigorated by the thought.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Maybe for the type of opening you refer to. With restrictions. But for all UK opening with no restrictions anywhere, I reckon 21 June is conservative, to be honest.
    Sure, not what you said in your OP though.
  • Stocky said:

    Some on here would be invigorated by the thought.
    It's not called the blue pill for nothing
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    kinabalu said:

    I liked that one he did at Gettysburg. Things were still in the balance then, so I was feeling anxious and tender, prone to ups and downs of emotion, just basically feeling like a girl much of the time, and listening to that speech, plus with booze on the go, led to a choking up. Very glad nobody was filming me.
    Probably the best speech ever made in the Gettysburg area, is that what you're saying?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    I wonder how many members of the public honestly believe that more people die from Covid-19 on a Tuesday. That's the problem with this way of reporting the data.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    edited January 2021

    Probably the best speech ever made in the Gettysburg area, is that what you're saying?
    To be fair, the previous attempt at best speech at Gettysburg was widely rubbished, initially.

    Mainly because it wasn't 3 and half hours long, IIRC.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266

    Local authority level data will be tricky as it is being rolled out by the NHS which has different boundaries. Publishing it by CCG or PCN (or indeed the level above CCG which I'm not sure of the name of) would be easier. The fact that the data has not been published does not mean it does not exist.
    NHS data I access routinely has local authority of residence, so it would not be surprising to see data on vaccinations by local authority.

    Not all that useful for anything in particular though, for the reasons you point out - good/bad will not be something controlled by local authorities.
  • Welsh Parliament member Alun Davies is on the brink of suspension after holding a drinks party until 2 am in the Welsh Parliament’s Members’ Tea Room, Guido understands. Davies had been a forceful critic of the Cummings Barnard Castle affair. Guido is told other members may have been there too. Developing…

    UPDATE: ITV is now reporting that Senedd officials are investigating the incident. Guido hears the investigation was sparked by the assembly’s catering staff who complained they were put in a difficult position as they tried to close the tearoom at 6 pm as per the rules

    UPDATE II: Tory MS’s in attendance are understood to have been Tory leader Paul Davies, Chief Whip Darren Millar and Nick Ramsay.

    UPDATE III: Alun Davies has been suspended. Full statement from Senedd Labour Group Spokesperson:

    “A member has been suspended from the privileges of Senedd Labour Group membership while an investigation takes place into this alleged incident.”

    https://order-order.com/2021/01/19/welsh-senedd-member-on-brink-of-suspension-after-hosting-drinks-party-in-conference-room/
  • To be fair, the previous attempt at best speech at Gettysburg was widely rubbished, initially.

    Mainly because it wasn't 3 and half hours long, IIRC.
    IIRC? Exactly how old are you, Malmesbury?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    To be fair, the previous attempt at best speech at Gettysburg was widely rubbished, initially.

    Mainly because it wasn't 3 and half hours long, IIRC.
    I well up every time I read it.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    A piss take of the Daily Mail and other journos who didn't and still haven't realised that there's a weekend/bank holiday effect on reporting figures.

    They'd see a decrease Saturday/Sunday/Monday then report Tuesday's catch up figures as a massive increase.
    I had no idea journalists were not aware of that (or pretend not to), would have thought the whole country was aware of data lags the amount it gets talked about.
  • Two US Army National Guard members have been removed from duty during Joe Biden's presidential inauguration because of ties to far-right militias, according to Associated Press.

    A US Army official and a senior US intelligence official confirmed the decision to AP on the condition of anonymity due to Defense Department media regulations.

    They did not say what fringe group the Guard members belonged to or what unit they served in.

    https://news.sky.com/story/us-national-guard-troops-removed-from-inauguration-duty-due-to-far-right-links-reports-12192591
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    kinabalu said:

    You are the most talked about poster - a celeb in other words - and I'm betting that's fine by you. You like being a celeb. You like not being able to do normal posts like normal people without being noticed and bothered and pestered. You remind me of Rod Stewart in this regard.
    Not sure about that. Given HYUFD's fondness for a previous PM, Rod would have to change the name of his best song from Maggie May to Maggie Will Definitely, TINA.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited January 2021
    Vaccination Totals UK
    1st Dose - 204,076
    2nd Dose - 4,565

    1st Dose by Country
    England - 167,150
    NI - 7,140
    Scotland - 19,591
    Wales - 10,195
  • An example of those supply-chain adaptations @Philip_Thompson has been talking about:

    https://twitter.com/IrlEmbParis/status/1351556615665819648
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810

    The identification of HYUFD with Rod Stewart is just the sort of offbeat entertainment anyone might ask for on a drab weekday afternoon.
    Rod Stewart is the person I tend to first think of when I think about celebrity. Reason being because he used to eat at a chinese restaurant that I also used a lot and I often saw him there with his entourage. Always a frisson around his table and you could tell he was very comfortable with the whole star thing. I don't mean this in a bad way, just that he liked it.

    I wonder if @HYUFD is actually a Rod Stewart fan. That would be quite something if he is, given what we now know.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,341
    edited January 2021
    With a few minor adjustments this could easily be the lead in to an opinion piece in the Tele by a Tory minister

    https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1351537398564286466?s=20
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    An example of those supply-chain adaptations @Philip_Thompson has been talking about:

    https://twitter.com/IrlEmbParis/status/1351556615665819648

    Closest neighbour. Hm, do they not recognise the existence of the UK or something? :p
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    I think vaccine data runs two days in arrears the same as case data. Today's data relates to the majority of vaccines carried out on Sunday with just a small percentage of Monday's numbers being reported IMO.
  • RobD said:

    Closest neighbour. Hm, do they not recognise the existence of the UK or something? :p
    They are quite clear.

    Closest EU neighbour.
  • kinabalu said:

    He spent day 1 in a furious lying tetch about the size of his inauguration crowd. That was as good as it got.
    And I personally don't have the remotest interest in hearing about Donald Trump being "correct in his analysis" of various things plaguing the American worker such as globalization.
    Reason I'm not interested is that neither was he. Trump gave zero shits about anything but Trump.
    He was all bad. Completely and utterly and on every level. There are no redeeming aspects or features.
    If you go for "balance" on this one you end up writing drivel.
    Well more fool you then. Because that analysis was correct and even though I agree he didn't give a shit, it doesn't mean those problems have gone away and if you ignore them because "Trump" then we may not be so lucky next time and might find the next person to use these issues without really caring about them is a lot brighter and a lot more convincing than Trump and also, because of that, a lot more dangerous.

    So you should be very interested. Otherwise you are a big part of the problem.
  • Scott_xP said:
    Shush. You'll bring out the thought police again with talk like that.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    They are quite clear.

    Closest EU neighbour.
    Totally haven't got the hang of sentences constructed of emojis.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,734

    Maggie may be the greatest politician to have ever lived, with BJ a close second.
    I think we need a separate ironic like button.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    Stocky said:

    A dagger to the heart, that post.
    For both of us.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,608
    Brom said:

    I had no idea journalists were not aware of that (or pretend not to), would have thought the whole country was aware of data lags the amount it gets talked about.
    Going back to the vax data, there are now two "low number" days in a row. So I suspect there is a 2-day lag and today's are Sunday's. It would mean the 275,000 UK jabs reported on Sunday are Friday's. Mostly, as it definitely says "by reporting day" so it could conceivably cover a number of days.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lord Sumption: the monstering of a lockdown sceptic
    He's been the victim of a bad-faith effort to demonise criticism of government policy.
    Luke Gittos"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/19/lord-sumption-the-monstering-of-a-lockdown-sceptic/

    That's a bit needy and pitying. The main issue with Lord Sumption is he keeps saying the same thing over and over again. And given how lockdown skeptics have repeatedly ignored or misrepresented things, it's a bit rich to cry about Lord Sumption when his articles have been shared hundreds of times on here alone.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,266
    RobD said:

    Closest neighbour. Hm, do they not recognise the existence of the UK or something? :p
    Closest 🇪🇺 neighbour, presumably shorthand for EU. Perhaps you haven't noticed that we have left?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    Going back to the vax data, there are now two "low number" days in a row. So I suspect there is a 2-day lag and today's are Sunday's. It would mean the 275,000 UK jabs reported on Sunday are Friday's. Mostly, as it definitely says "by reporting day" so it could conceivably cover a number of days.
    Hopefully there will be a plot of "vaccines per date administered" coming soon.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    With a few minor adjustments this could easily be the lead in to an opinion piece in the Tele by a Tory minister

    https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1351537398564286466?s=20

    A Trump appointee going on about cloaking things as being morally righteous? Ballsy.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Foxy said:

    Closest 🇪🇺 neighbour, presumably shorthand for EU. Perhaps you haven't noticed that we have left?
    Brexit? Never heard of it.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Shush. You'll bring out the thought police again with talk like that.
    So you're saying the Dutch have made a pigs ear of things? Interesting
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Lord Sumption: the monstering of a lockdown sceptic
    He's been the victim of a bad-faith effort to demonise criticism of government policy.
    Luke Gittos"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/19/lord-sumption-the-monstering-of-a-lockdown-sceptic/

    No bad faith about it, good faith criticism.

    I mean just look at this correction the Telegraph had to do, he consistently gets basic facts wrong.

    Lord Sumption: The simple truth is that lockdowns do not work

    CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article stated that ' in March Imperial College produced their now "discredited" figure of 510,000 deaths unless drastic action was taken'. In fact, Imperial College predicted 250,000 UK deaths without further intervention. We have amended the opening paragraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/12/19/simple-truth-lockdowns-do-not-work/

    Lord Sumption is as much an expert on pandemics as I am an expert on the awesomeness of putting pineapple on pizza.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    Selebian said:

    NHS data I access routinely has local authority of residence, so it would not be surprising to see data on vaccinations by local authority.

    Not all that useful for anything in particular though, for the reasons you point out - good/bad will not be something controlled by local authorities.
    It will almost certainly be added to the https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations portal.

    The update process for the website, by a PHE, is not hypersonic.
  • Welsh Parliament member Alun Davies is on the brink of suspension after holding a drinks party until 2 am in the Welsh Parliament’s Members’ Tea Room, Guido understands. Davies had been a forceful critic of the Cummings Barnard Castle affair. Guido is told other members may have been there too. Developing…

    UPDATE: ITV is now reporting that Senedd officials are investigating the incident. Guido hears the investigation was sparked by the assembly’s catering staff who complained they were put in a difficult position as they tried to close the tearoom at 6 pm as per the rules

    UPDATE II: Tory MS’s in attendance are understood to have been Tory leader Paul Davies, Chief Whip Darren Millar and Nick Ramsay.

    UPDATE III: Alun Davies has been suspended. Full statement from Senedd Labour Group Spokesperson:

    “A member has been suspended from the privileges of Senedd Labour Group membership while an investigation takes place into this alleged incident.”

    https://order-order.com/2021/01/19/welsh-senedd-member-on-brink-of-suspension-after-hosting-drinks-party-in-conference-room/

    I know Darren quite well and really !!!!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,266
    I see Brexit is going well for the fishermen. Not sure those votes are in the bag for SCON.

    https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1351491482063171588?s=19

    Also, kicking out Leonard seems popular.

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1351569785419665410?s=19
  • Murder Tuesday with 1,610 deaths announced today.

    33,355 new infections.

    Really demonstrates just how effective Boris's "Kill Your Granny" / Christmas is Saved headline stunt was.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    With a few minor adjustments this could easily be the lead in to an opinion piece in the Tele by a Tory minister

    https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1351537398564286466?s=20

    Tbf. If anyone has the breadth of close up experience of authoritarianism it'd be Mikey boy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited January 2021

    No bad faith about it, good faith criticism.

    I mean just look at this correction the Telegraph had to do, he consistently gets basic facts wrong.

    Lord Sumption: The simple truth is that lockdowns do not work

    CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article stated that ' in March Imperial College produced their now "discredited" figure of 510,000 deaths unless drastic action was taken'. In fact, Imperial College predicted 250,000 UK deaths without further intervention. We have amended the opening paragraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/12/19/simple-truth-lockdowns-do-not-work/

    Lord Sumption is as much an expert on pandemics as I am an expert on the awesomeness of putting pineapple on pizza.
    He seems to be a case study in how undoubted intellect in one field does not make an expert in another - and how even the great intellects make common, petty errors (or delibately misrepresent) when they are pushing a position rather than care about assessing things.

    I wouldn't even mind that so much, I own several of his books, if not for the 'I'm being picked on' whinging like a baby stuff that people indulge in.
  • An example of those supply-chain adaptations @Philip_Thompson has been talking about:

    https://twitter.com/IrlEmbParis/status/1351556615665819648

    Absolutely! The market finds a way at adapting.

    If we were previously just being used as a conduit then it reduces pressure on our ports, on our roads, emissions of particles etc on our roads. Its a good adaptation to have our roads and ports used by those who actually want to use them. 👍🏻
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,318
    Off topic and breaking.

    Labour's Alun Davies has been suspended from the Labour AM group for drinking alcohol in the Senedd, despite a ban.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Foxy said:

    I see Brexit is going well for the fishermen. Not sure those votes are in the bag for SCON.

    https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1351491482063171588?s=19

    Also, kicking out Leonard seems popular.

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1351569785419665410?s=19

    Reading the dates always helps
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    No bad faith about it, good faith criticism.

    I mean just look at this correction the Telegraph had to do, he consistently gets basic facts wrong.

    Lord Sumption: The simple truth is that lockdowns do not work

    CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article stated that ' in March Imperial College produced their now "discredited" figure of 510,000 deaths unless drastic action was taken'. In fact, Imperial College predicted 250,000 UK deaths without further intervention. We have amended the opening paragraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/12/19/simple-truth-lockdowns-do-not-work/

    Lord Sumption is as much an expert on pandemics as I am an expert on the awesomeness of putting pineapple on pizza.
    But he went to Eton so has a God-given right to pontificate on all subjects.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,341
    edited January 2021
    Foxy said:

    I see Brexit is going well for the fishermen. Not sure those votes are in the bag for SCON.

    https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1351491482063171588?s=19

    Also, kicking out Leonard seems popular.

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1351569785419665410?s=19

    Fieldwork was before his resignation* I think.

    *sacking by SKS and Labour donors
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,266
    Brom said:

    So you're saying the Dutch have made a pigs ear of things? Interesting
    Someone's telling porkies. I expect that they will get the chop.
  • Off topic and breaking.

    Labour's Alun Davies has been suspended from the Labour AM group for drinking alcohol in the Senedd, despite a ban.

    He and the three Tories should all resign.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,266

    Fieldwork was before his resignation I think
    Yes, perhaps so. Interesting to see the next poll.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    kinabalu said:

    Malmesbury is no ordinary poster, I have long sensed this. He is as old as the Hills and is also able to shapeshift at will. Hence the olympian wisdom, ancient and modern, science and arts, dispensed on a regular basis, plus the BIG giveaway - the fact he has personally known and had quality conversations with every raving left wing hypocrite who has ever lived.
    Not every raving left wing hypocrite, maybe 0.03%
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Floater said:

    My wife and I went for a romantic weekend to a hotel years back.

    Very nice, double bath and extra large shower etc etc

    They had to ruin in by saying Maggie and Dennis used to stay in that room...........

    How to ruin the mood :smiley:
    :#
  • But he went to Eton so has a God-given right to pontificate on all subjects.
    It's not an Eton thing, look at the output of embarrassing things Peter Hitchens has said, I'll never forget his mistaken belief on all things Stochastic.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831

    It will almost certainly be added to the https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations portal.

    The update process for the website, by a PHE, is not hypersonic.
    The really interesting data would be cases (and then hospitalizations and deaths) split by vaccinated and unvaccinated. Presumably they're already collecting that and insiders are getting a preview.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548

    With a few minor adjustments this could easily be the lead in to an opinion piece in the Tele by a Tory minister

    https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1351537398564286466?s=20

    Wasn't Jefferson, a founder, in favour of a bit of Jacobinism in his day?

  • Foxy said:

    Yes, perhaps so. Interesting to see the next poll.
    I think it'll be pretty fluid on an moe level until they choose a new leader. There's a better than fair chance that they'll supplant the SCons as second party when it comes to May imho.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited January 2021

    An example of those supply-chain adaptations @Philip_Thompson has been talking about:

    https://twitter.com/IrlEmbParis/status/1351556615665819648

    But, what is the advantage of having these Irish trucks trundle through Wales & England to the continent?

    They pay no tariff, and they can easily avoid buying diesel in the UK (diesel is cheaper in Ireland) so they are not even contributing to taxation and hence upkeep of the roads. They are not even paying their way.

    They are noisy & polluting, they are contributing to heavy traffic on the road & congestion.

    Against this, I guess there are some jobs at Holyhead and Dover that depend on the Irish truckers. They may go.

    I might feel differently if Irish haulage to Europe was contributing to upkeep of our roads -- are they?

    Before we get any more posts about this from you and Scott and co, please explain the advantage ***to Wales and England*** of having trucks use us a land-bridge to the EU.

    Presumably, if we are all drove our juggernauts through Nabavi Gardens on our way to somewhere else, without offering any recompense, Richard Nabavi would quickly put a stop to it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Don't donate materials to Italian museums

    A 500-year-old painting has been discovered in a flat in Italy and returned to a museum - where staff were unaware it had even been stolen...

    officials were not aware it had been stolen because "the room where the painting is kept has not been open for three months" due to the coronavirus pandemic.

    It is not known when the artwork was taken as no one had reported it missing, but the museum said it was in its possession as recently as last January.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55719685
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    edited January 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lord Sumption: the monstering of a lockdown sceptic
    He's been the victim of a bad-faith effort to demonise criticism of government policy.
    Luke Gittos"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/19/lord-sumption-the-monstering-of-a-lockdown-sceptic/

    That's an awful article that entirely misses the point. Sumption explicitly said to a 29-year-old woman with life-shortening cancer, on TV, that her life was 'less valuable' than, say, his grandchildren. That sort of analysis of QALY is fine in a theoretical or abstract discussion, and of course there is an argument to be had. And he might even be right. But the gross insensitivity of saying this directly to a cancer sufferer is grossly insensitive and suggests he's a crass boor.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    UK cases by specimen date

    image
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    MaxPB said:

    I think vaccine data runs two days in arrears the same as case data. Today's data relates to the majority of vaccines carried out on Sunday with just a small percentage of Monday's numbers being reported IMO.

    Looks plausible for England, but not the others. Scotland's 19K today is the highest so far, at least if you ignore yesterday's 40K that followed two days without reporting. No obvious pattern for NI or Wales either yet. There might be quite inconsistent reporting lags, which maybe average out more for England.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,734
    Single Covid vaccine dose in Israel 'less effective than we hoped'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/single-covid-vaccine-dose-in-israel-less-effective-than-we-hoped

    Not great news.
  • But, what is the advantage of having these Irish trucks trundle through Wales & England to the continent?

    They pay no tariff, and they can easily avoid buying diesel in the UK (diesel is cheaper in Ireland) so they are not even contributing to taxation and hence upkeep of the roads. They are not even paying their way.

    They are noisy & polluting, they are contributing to heavy traffic on the road & congestion.

    Against this, I guess there are some jobs at Holyhead and Dover that depend on the Irish truckers. They may go.

    I might feel differently if Irish haulage to Europe was contributing to upkeep of our roads -- are they?

    Before we get any more posts about this from you and Scott and co, please explain the advantage ***to Wales and England*** of having trucks use us a land-bridge to the EU.

    Presumably, if we are all drove our juggernauts through Nabavi Gardens on our way to somewhere else, without offering any recompense, Richard Nabavi would quickly put a stop to it.
    It is an excellent point and of course the sea routes will take longer and will be weather affected

    As far as I am concerned Irish truckers going to Dover through North Wales do not seem to contribute anything but noise and pollution
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,318

    He and the three Tories should all resign.
    ITV News hub has only specified Alun Davies of the Labour group.
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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,734

    But he went to Eton so has a God-given right to pontificate on all subjects.
    He was a High Court judge, so I guess got out of the habit of being talked back at.
  • Here's another example of the Mail and Murder Tuesday.

    Britain records its deadliest day since Covid pandemic began with 1,610 new victims

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9164179/Britain-records-deadliest-day-Covid-pandemic-began-1-610-new-victims.html
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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    edited January 2021

    Not sure about that. Given HYUFD's fondness for a previous PM, Rod would have to change the name of his best song from Maggie May to Maggie Will Definitely, TINA.
    :smile: - Political slants on Rod songs. That's a goer.

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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,318

    It is an excellent point and of course the sea routes will take longer and will be weather affected

    As far as I am concerned Irish truckers going to Dover through North Wales do not seem to contribute anything but noise and pollution
    What are your thoughts on Alun Davies' drinking exploits? Throw him out! It is unfortunate that Drakeford is a teetotaler!
  • ITV News hub has only specified Alun Davies of the Labour group.
    Reported elsewhere that it was three Conservative AMs and one Labour AM. Last I heard the Labour one has been suspended by his party and nothing's been done about the Conservatives. I'd expect that to change fairly shortly.
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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,674
    edited January 2021

    But, what is the advantage of having these Irish trucks trundle through Wales & England to the continent?

    They pay no tariff, and they can easily avoid buying diesel in the UK (diesel is cheaper in Ireland) so they are not even contributing to taxation and hence upkeep of the roads. They are not even paying their way.

    They are noisy & polluting, they are contributing to heavy traffic on the road & congestion.

    Against this, I guess there are some jobs at Holyhead and Dover that depend on the Irish truckers. They may go.

    I might feel differently if Irish haulage to Europe was contributing to upkeep of our roads -- are they?

    Before we get any more posts about this from you and Scott and co, please explain the advantage ***to Wales and England*** of having trucks use us a land-bridge to the EU.

    Presumably, if we are all drove our juggernauts through Nabavi Gardens on our way to somewhere else, without offering any recompense, Richard Nabavi would quickly put a stop to it.
    IIRC we used charge £10 a day for every EU truck to use our roads, was introduced by the coalition.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,662

    It is an excellent point and of course the sea routes will take longer and will be weather affected

    As far as I am concerned Irish truckers going to Dover through North Wales do not seem to contribute anything but noise and pollution
    I thought they now paid Road Tax.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,734
    Brom said:

    So you're saying the Dutch have made a pigs ear of things? Interesting
    It's an offal mess.
  • Here's another example of the Mail and Murder Tuesday.

    Britain records its deadliest day since Covid pandemic began with 1,610 new victims

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9164179/Britain-records-deadliest-day-Covid-pandemic-began-1-610-new-victims.html

    Sort of, in that they don't make it clear that the deaths didn't actually happen in the last 24 hours, but not really, because they make a point of comparing the figure with last Tuesday's, rather than yesterday's.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    Nigelb said:

    Single Covid vaccine dose in Israel 'less effective than we hoped'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/single-covid-vaccine-dose-in-israel-less-effective-than-we-hoped

    Not great news.

    I'm, er, no viral immunologist but I would have thought that the chances of a single dose being good or not good were equal at around 50%.

    The government for very sound and understandable reasons has jettisoned for the moment the second dose but the fact remains that no trial has been done on single dosage and it is at best speculation that the efficacy is this that or the other.

    Which is why a large number of viral immunologists are nervous or even disagree with the decision. But it is after all only a few weeks delay so people will manage. Oh there is the effect on that vulnerable category of people's mental health (on the bus off the bus) but I'm sure the bigger picture is more important.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    :smile: - Political slants on Rod songs. That's a goer.

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