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I was going to headline this Yangnam style.6
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I think he is a classic front runner in American primary politics.
The front runner is very, very often, not who gets the candidacy.1 -
O/T - I thought the government had sorted this out during the first wave.
Covid-19: Protect us from unlawful killing charges - medics
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I read the header with some incredulity, and I was about to post a big climbdown on my views of the quality of Smithson's headers. Until I saw the name at the bottom didn't match the one at the top.
Thanks Quincel, really nice work.0 -
New cases still trending down, deaths & admissions up:
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Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?0
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Agree with header - name recognition has probably got him as far as he'll go - I wonder whether he has the guts for NY politics?
In an interview with the New York Times that went viral on Monday, Yang was asked why he decided to flee the city to his second home in upstate New York, a fact Politico reported Friday: “We live in a two-bedroom apartment in Manhattan,” Yang responded, before asking rhetorically, “Can you imagine trying to have two kids on virtual school in a two-bedroom apartment and then trying to do work yourself?”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/01/11/yang-slammed-after-trying-to-justify-fleeing-new-york-city-during-pandemic/?sh=62bb59343c5c0 -
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Were you in an asylum.
Well even in the asylum I've heard nothing about any of the others - let alone anything good.
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A couple of terms as Mayor of a big city, then obscurity beckons, obviously.....
Oh. Well, he could go onwards and upwards then.0 -
It's an interesting speech (worth listening to the whole thing). How do you deal with a huge strategic error like Brexit when you have no prospect of doing anything about it any time soon ?HYUFD said:
Blair's answer appears to be to do the stuff you should be doing anyway. Which is boosting internal cohesion and national well-being, while engaging internationally.
He doesn't spell out out, but of course Brexit is the antithesis of that kind of national consensus and internationalism. But you should still aim to do it anyway.
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Presume we have done this?
Looks like excellent news!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-well-does-the-vaccine-work-israels-real-world-stats-can-be-globes-guide/0 -
UK cases by specimen date
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Blair is an impressive figure: well worth engaging in government in some way IMO. Has led the vaccine debate, and he’s right about this too.FF43 said:
It's an interesting speech (worth listening to the whole thing). How do you deal with a huge strategic error like Brexit when you have no prospect of doing anything about it any time soon ?HYUFD said:
Blair's answer appears to be to do the stuff you should be doing anyway. Which is boosting internal cohesion and national well-being, while engaging internationally.
He doesn't spell out out, but of course Brexit is the antithesis of that kind of national consensus and internationalism. But you should still aim to do it anyway.0 -
UK cases by specimen date and scaled to 100k population
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Yes, yes, but who is that old man in the video clip?Anabobazina said:
Blair is an impressive figure: well worth engaging in government in some way IMO. Has led the vaccine debate, and he’s right about this too.FF43 said:
It's an interesting speech (worth listening to the whole thing). How do you deal with a huge strategic error like Brexit when you have no prospect of doing anything about it any time soon ?HYUFD said:
Blair's answer appears to be to do the stuff you should be doing anyway. Which is boosting internal cohesion and national well-being, while engaging internationally.
He doesn't spell out out, but of course Brexit is the antithesis of that kind of national consensus and internationalism. But you should still aim to do it anyway.1 -
This is seriously psychologically worrying.solarflare said:
Tens of millions appear to still believe Trump will be President this time next week.
The guy who predicted the events at the Capitol highlighted it.
The total certainty of a large slice of his support that he COULDN'T lose.0 -
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Ken Livingstone went "onwards and upwards"? Oh wait, you mean Rudi.MarqueeMark said:A couple of terms as Mayor of a big city, then obscurity beckons, obviously.....
Oh. Well, he could go onwards and upwards then.0 -
It's be funny were it not for the notes he was spotted carrying that made reference to martial law.dixiedean said:
This is seriously psychologically worrying.solarflare said:
Tens of millions appear to still believe Trump will be President this time next week.
The guy who predicted the events at the Capitol highlighted it.
The total certainty of a large slice of his support that he COULDN'T lose.
Honestly can't tell whether the whole thing is just shite "social" media bullshit or genuinely the beginnings of something very dark.0 -
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
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I thought Michael Heseltine looked in remarkably fine fettle there.Mexicanpete said:
Yes, yes, but who is that old man in the video clip?Anabobazina said:
Blair is an impressive figure: well worth engaging in government in some way IMO. Has led the vaccine debate, and he’s right about this too.FF43 said:
It's an interesting speech (worth listening to the whole thing). How do you deal with a huge strategic error like Brexit when you have no prospect of doing anything about it any time soon ?HYUFD said:
Blair's answer appears to be to do the stuff you should be doing anyway. Which is boosting internal cohesion and national well-being, while engaging internationally.
He doesn't spell out out, but of course Brexit is the antithesis of that kind of national consensus and internationalism. But you should still aim to do it anyway.1 -
They could certainly interchange each others' speeches these days.BluestBlue said:
I thought Michael Heseltine looked in remarkably fine fettle there.Mexicanpete said:
Yes, yes, but who is that old man in the video clip?Anabobazina said:
Blair is an impressive figure: well worth engaging in government in some way IMO. Has led the vaccine debate, and he’s right about this too.FF43 said:
It's an interesting speech (worth listening to the whole thing). How do you deal with a huge strategic error like Brexit when you have no prospect of doing anything about it any time soon ?HYUFD said:
Blair's answer appears to be to do the stuff you should be doing anyway. Which is boosting internal cohesion and national well-being, while engaging internationally.
He doesn't spell out out, but of course Brexit is the antithesis of that kind of national consensus and internationalism. But you should still aim to do it anyway.0 -
FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html2 -
As notwf yesterday, government effectively reporting over 100,000 deaths now: in fact 100,700, comprising death certificates up to Jan 1st and hospital reported deaths with date of death after Jan 1st.0
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And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
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Heseltine is too left wing to pass for Blair.Mexicanpete said:
They could certainly interchange each others' speeches these days.BluestBlue said:
I thought Michael Heseltine looked in remarkably fine fettle there.Mexicanpete said:
Yes, yes, but who is that old man in the video clip?Anabobazina said:
Blair is an impressive figure: well worth engaging in government in some way IMO. Has led the vaccine debate, and he’s right about this too.FF43 said:
It's an interesting speech (worth listening to the whole thing). How do you deal with a huge strategic error like Brexit when you have no prospect of doing anything about it any time soon ?HYUFD said:
Blair's answer appears to be to do the stuff you should be doing anyway. Which is boosting internal cohesion and national well-being, while engaging internationally.
He doesn't spell out out, but of course Brexit is the antithesis of that kind of national consensus and internationalism. But you should still aim to do it anyway.3 -
Fair comment.williamglenn said:
Heseltine is too left wing to pass for Blair.Mexicanpete said:
They could certainly interchange each others' speeches these days.BluestBlue said:
I thought Michael Heseltine looked in remarkably fine fettle there.Mexicanpete said:
Yes, yes, but who is that old man in the video clip?Anabobazina said:
Blair is an impressive figure: well worth engaging in government in some way IMO. Has led the vaccine debate, and he’s right about this too.FF43 said:
It's an interesting speech (worth listening to the whole thing). How do you deal with a huge strategic error like Brexit when you have no prospect of doing anything about it any time soon ?HYUFD said:
Blair's answer appears to be to do the stuff you should be doing anyway. Which is boosting internal cohesion and national well-being, while engaging internationally.
He doesn't spell out out, but of course Brexit is the antithesis of that kind of national consensus and internationalism. But you should still aim to do it anyway.0 -
The total they announce today is from yesterday. But hopefully today's figures will be a bit higher.Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
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MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."0 -
It's greater than 328,260 - that's the number for England and Northern Ireland alone. The Scottish and Welsh numbers are not there.Andy_JS said:
The total they announce today is from yesterday. But hopefully today's figures will be a bit higher.Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
This takes the total of all jabs to over 4 million. Which is 6% of the UK population0 -
Why were they upset? There's nothing wrong with being gay. It's not illegal any more.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html0 -
It is probably 350-360k, when Scottish and Welsh data is added.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
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The interesting thing is that I think this is achieved with only about 10 doctors/nurses giving jabs at any one time at most centres. (That was the case this morning at the one my father attended). We could vaccinate even faster if we could increase that number.Malmesbury said:
It's greater than 328,260 - that's the number for England and Northern Ireland alone. The Scottish and Welsh numbers are not there.Andy_JS said:
The total they announce today is from yesterday. But hopefully today's figures will be a bit higher.Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
This takes the total of all jabs to over 4 million. Which is 6% of the UK population0 -
I wouldn't be surprised if the weekends saw a little dip, but generally every day should be higher as more vaccine doses are secured and we get better at distribution.Andy_JS said:
The total they announce today is from yesterday. But hopefully today's figures will be a bit higher.Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
The data from Israel is also looking encouraging. It appears that it takes around two weeks from vaccination to have an impact, but the rates of infection of those vaccinated drops around 60% relative to other groups after two weeks (and just a single shot).1 -
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.1 -
On topic, excellent article Pip.
I like Yang as it happens, and I think he has the X-factor, but I'm not tempted by 2/1 either - except to lay.
Great tip.0 -
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.2 -
Very generous of you, though I think you are a bit harsh on OGH.Mary_Batty said:I read the header with some incredulity, and I was about to post a big climbdown on my views of the quality of Smithson's headers. Until I saw the name at the bottom didn't match the one at the top.
Thanks Quincel, really nice work.
He's doing it the wrong way around, of course. You're meant to make a doomed Presidential bid after being New York Mayor for a bit.MarqueeMark said:A couple of terms as Mayor of a big city, then obscurity beckons, obviously.....
Oh. Well, he could go onwards and upwards then.0 -
There were, I think, only two vaccinators (at any one time) in the centre I attended this morning. However I don't think that there was much more space. One also has to have 'booking in' space and post-vaccination waiting space. All socially distanced. There's also to problem with the Pfizer vaccine that one needs a specialist 'fridge.Andy_JS said:
The interesting thing is that I think this is achieved with only about 10 doctors/nurses giving jabs at any one time at most centres. (That was the case this morning at the one my father attended). We could vaccinate even faster if we could increase that number.Malmesbury said:
It's greater than 328,260 - that's the number for England and Northern Ireland alone. The Scottish and Welsh numbers are not there.Andy_JS said:
The total they announce today is from yesterday. But hopefully today's figures will be a bit higher.Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
This takes the total of all jabs to over 4 million. Which is 6% of the UK population1 -
The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.IshmaelZ said:
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.
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Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government. 0 -
Cheers. I also like his style, and while I don't agree with all his ideas I do like how he is quite a free-thinker open to ideas from anywhere (but not an idiot who accepts any idea thoughtlessly). I actually think he could be well suited to an executive role as opposed to legislative, he might be a decent mayor. Though even an executive needs skill in managing the legislature to some extent.Casino_Royale said:On topic, excellent article Pip.
I like Yang as it happens, and I think he has the X-factor, but I'm not tempted by 2/1 either - except to lay.
Great tip.
If I were a New York Democrat I'd probably vote for a more boring left-wing technocrat, but in an AV world he'd be on my list for sure. And fairly near the top.1 -
Always good to get a closer look at some smaller contests (sorry NY). Good old term limits ensure at least some interest in a race.0
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Mayor of big city sets you up for doing great things afterwards. Look at Rudi.MarqueeMark said:A couple of terms as Mayor of a big city, then obscurity beckons, obviously.....
Oh. Well, he could go onwards and upwards then.
Edit: Sorry. Joke done. Hate it when that happens.0 -
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.0 -
The 2013 election was one of my first betting contests I closely followed. Absolutely wild primary, with Anthony Weiner going from zero to hero and then back again.kle4 said:Always good to get a closer look at some smaller contests (sorry NY). Good old term limits ensure at least some interest in a race.
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350k / day already for UK and with the iffy weather...500k / day should be the target for next week.
To infinity and beyond.1 -
I think you mean Carlos Danger.Quincel said:
The 2013 election was one of my first betting contests I closely followed. Absolutely wild primary, with Anthony Weiner going from zero to hero and then back again.kle4 said:Always good to get a closer look at some smaller contests (sorry NY). Good old term limits ensure at least some interest in a race.
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Cultural heritage meets cultural marxism. Or something like that. It sometimes hard to know what puts Casino into his sputtering Harold Bishop mode but it's golden every time.DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.0 -
I've seen stupider arguments in court - many of them from Her Majesty's Government. Such as Suella Braverman QC's...erm...brave argument that a trial judge was in the wrong because not only was he entitled to depart from a sentencing guideline but he was positively required to do so. Takes all sorts.Malmesbury said:
The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.IshmaelZ said:
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.0 -
The only problem I found with Yang is the longer he speaks the more gaps start to appear. He has correctly identified a real huge problem and perhaps UBI is the answer. He certainly is well drilled when it comes to talking about that. However, once he got past that, things started to get a bit off track.Casino_Royale said:On topic, excellent article Pip.
I like Yang as it happens, and I think he has the X-factor, but I'm not tempted by 2/1 either - except to lay.
Great tip.
However, he certainly is a lot better than so many of the high profile wind bags around in US politics.1 -
In general it’s still a fantastic organisation. However certain high profile issues have suggested a direction at the top that not all would agree with. Some serious issues around farming vs rewinding in the Lake District for instance. I am sure there is a place for discussing British historical links to slavery, but sometimes old stuff could do with just being preserved and put on show. Many people are sick and tired of being preached to at every turn.DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.1 -
Portugal has registered a record rise of 10,947 new cases and 166 deaths on Saturday - one day after a new national lockdown began.
The Observador newspaper reports that three Lisbon area hospitals only had three intensive care beds left on Saturday and queues of ambulances have been reported in places.
Portugal has the lowest critical care capacity per 100,000 in Europe and experts warn hospital rates are likely to rise over the next week following a surge in cases after Christmas.0 -
My legal friend said that the Judge in question - it was some kind of dispute hearing, just the judge - was well known for sticking to formal behaviour. In the face of this, he became... not sarcastic, but some of the legal precedents he mentioned were in that direction, apparently.DougSeal said:
I've seen stupider arguments in court - many of them from Her Majesty's Government. Such as Suella Braverman QC's...erm...brave argument that a trial judge was in the wrong because not only was he entitled to depart from a sentencing guideline but he was positively required to do so. Takes all sorts.Malmesbury said:
The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.IshmaelZ said:
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.
Apparently the RSPCA is the all time champion of bizarre law bending (and breaking) in the charity sector, but the NT is trying very hard to get in there.0 -
Then onto 0.75m a day and get the top 9 groups (30m) done by end March! Only then can we think about significant reopenings.FrancisUrquhart said:350k / day already for UK and with the iffy weather...500k / day should be the target for next week.
To infinity and beyond.0 -
Should be renamed the Patriotic Trust obvs.DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.3 -
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Completely OT. The BBC reports that a group of friends have been fined for driving from Manchester to Uttoxeter (68 miles each way) for the sole purpose of visiting a McDonalds.
They shouldn't have been fined. They should have been given counselling or, failing that, sectioned.1 -
Yes, it's really good news. We're not quite Israel, but even at just 300k per day we'll be in a hugely different place come late February and certainly by the end of March. Basically all the vulnerable groups will be done for one dose by then and (by late March) have had time for that dose to take effect.FrancisUrquhart said:350k / day already for UK and with the iffy weather...500k / day should be the target for next week.
To infinity and beyond.
And if we keep speeding up we'll clear those groups even faster.1 -
500k shouldn't be that difficult to organise given how well things are already going.FrancisUrquhart said:350k / day already for UK and with the iffy weather...500k / day should be the target for next week.
To infinity and beyond.1 -
There is one area Israel is struggling with. Oldies that can't travel, because they are using only Pfizer they aren't able to get to many. They are instead vaccinating care givers.Quincel said:
Yes, it's really good news. We're not quite Israel, but even at just 300k per day we'll be in a hugely different place come late February and certainly by the end of March. Basically all the vulnerable groups will be done for one dose by then and (by late March) have had time for that dose to take effect.FrancisUrquhart said:350k / day already for UK and with the iffy weather...500k / day should be the target for next week.
To infinity and beyond.
And if we keep speeding up we'll clear those groups even faster.
UK should have done all care home residents with first shot in next few days.0 -
The employee in one of my first ever employment tribunals (this was in 2002) calmly informed the judge that her 28 year old line manager personally imprisoned her father during the Mau Mau uprising in about 1959.Malmesbury said:
My legal friend said that the Judge in question - it was some kind of dispute hearing, just the judge - was well known for sticking to formal behaviour. In the face of this, he became... not sarcastic, but some of the legal precedents he mentioned were in that direction, apparently.DougSeal said:
I've seen stupider arguments in court - many of them from Her Majesty's Government. Such as Suella Braverman QC's...erm...brave argument that a trial judge was in the wrong because not only was he entitled to depart from a sentencing guideline but he was positively required to do so. Takes all sorts.Malmesbury said:
The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.IshmaelZ said:
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.
Apparently the RSPCA is the all time champion of bizarre law bending (and breaking) in the charity sector, but the NT is trying very hard to get in there.0 -
You need to have a word sharpish with @HYUFD. He's giving them £25 tomorrow to settle our bet but perhaps he could attach a "no wokerie" rider. Insist it goes on unusual but delicious jams for the cafes.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.0 -
Don’t know the details, but surely there must be something more going on there? Met up with someone en route and not admitted it?Northern_Al said:Completely OT. The BBC reports that a group of friends have been fined for driving from Manchester to Uttoxeter (68 miles each way) for the sole purpose of visiting a McDonalds.
They shouldn't have been fined. They should have been given counselling or, failing that, sectioned.1 -
Again it is all about the supply. We know pfizer will be reduced for a week or two (but have 5m doses of that). The big one is how fast can they bottle 20m doses of AZN (and do they have enough viles). 3-4m batch arrives early next week, but that needs to keep coming.Andy_JS said:
500k shouldn't be that difficult to organise given how well things are already going.FrancisUrquhart said:350k / day already for UK and with the iffy weather...500k / day should be the target for next week.
To infinity and beyond.1 -
Casino's comment sounds encouraging. Perhaps I should join. What other fronts of the culture war am I neglecting?DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.3 -
Great line!DougSeal said:
If it wasn't my job I'd do it for free. It was my absolute pleasure to crush a white nationalist insurrection. I'm glad I was in a position to help. We'll do it as many times as it takes0 -
"Covid: 'Convalescent plasma no benefit to hospital patients'"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-556810510 -
Magnificent. What was the reaction of the judge?DougSeal said:
The employee in one of my first ever employment tribunals (this was in 2002) calmly informed the judge that her 28 year old line manager personally imprisoned her father during the Mau Mau uprising in about 1959.Malmesbury said:
My legal friend said that the Judge in question - it was some kind of dispute hearing, just the judge - was well known for sticking to formal behaviour. In the face of this, he became... not sarcastic, but some of the legal precedents he mentioned were in that direction, apparently.DougSeal said:
I've seen stupider arguments in court - many of them from Her Majesty's Government. Such as Suella Braverman QC's...erm...brave argument that a trial judge was in the wrong because not only was he entitled to depart from a sentencing guideline but he was positively required to do so. Takes all sorts.Malmesbury said:
The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.IshmaelZ said:
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.
Apparently the RSPCA is the all time champion of bizarre law bending (and breaking) in the charity sector, but the NT is trying very hard to get in there.0 -
County lines?turbotubbs said:
Don’t know the details, but surely there must be something more going on there? Met up with someone en route and not admitted it?Northern_Al said:Completely OT. The BBC reports that a group of friends have been fined for driving from Manchester to Uttoxeter (68 miles each way) for the sole purpose of visiting a McDonalds.
They shouldn't have been fined. They should have been given counselling or, failing that, sectioned.0 -
Afternoon all
Encouraging signs on the case numbers suggesting lockdown (possibly aided by the poor weather helping to keep people indoors - it was certainly quiet in a rainy East Ham this morning) is having an impact.
The numbers of deaths profoundly depressing unfortunately and the numbers in hospital also worrying.
I had expected the impact of vaccination to be a fall off in the numbers of those dying (with those most at risk of so doing being vaccinated) and a fall in the numbers of those in hospital (for similar reasons) while case numbers might remain high due to transmission among younger and therefore less vulnerable individuals.
Today's figures suggest something else is going on - are we seeing more younger people being hospitalised or is it the numbers of vaccinations are yet to have an impact for whatever reason.
For context, in the UK, 3.4 million people over 80, 9 million between 65 and 80 and a further 13 million between 50 and 65.
In England alone 3 million people have had at least one dose of vaccine since December 8th.
As to how long it will take, that will depend on how many choose to take up the offer of the vaccine.0 -
Speaking of Israel - https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..latest&country=ISR~GBR~USA~BEL~BGR~CAN~CHL~HRV~CYP~CZE~DNK~EST~FIN~FRA~DEU~GRC~HUN~LUX~MLT~NLD~NOR~POL~PRT~ROU~SRB~SVK~SVN~ESP~SWE®ion=WorldQuincel said:
Yes, it's really good news. We're not quite Israel, but even at just 300k per day we'll be in a hugely different place come late February and certainly by the end of March. Basically all the vulnerable groups will be done for one dose by then and (by late March) have had time for that dose to take effect.FrancisUrquhart said:350k / day already for UK and with the iffy weather...500k / day should be the target for next week.
To infinity and beyond.
And if we keep speeding up we'll clear those groups even faster.
Why is their effort falling back so fast?
EDIT - if we are one 500K per day, that would be
500,000/66,796,807 = 0.00748539
Which would be *above* the rate that Israel is current reporting.....
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He felt she had some psychiatric issues. Her counsel by this point agreed.Malmesbury said:
Magnificent. What was the reaction of the judge?DougSeal said:
The employee in one of my first ever employment tribunals (this was in 2002) calmly informed the judge that her 28 year old line manager personally imprisoned her father during the Mau Mau uprising in about 1959.Malmesbury said:
My legal friend said that the Judge in question - it was some kind of dispute hearing, just the judge - was well known for sticking to formal behaviour. In the face of this, he became... not sarcastic, but some of the legal precedents he mentioned were in that direction, apparently.DougSeal said:
I've seen stupider arguments in court - many of them from Her Majesty's Government. Such as Suella Braverman QC's...erm...brave argument that a trial judge was in the wrong because not only was he entitled to depart from a sentencing guideline but he was positively required to do so. Takes all sorts.Malmesbury said:
The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.IshmaelZ said:
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.
Apparently the RSPCA is the all time champion of bizarre law bending (and breaking) in the charity sector, but the NT is trying very hard to get in there.
Shortly after that I defended the same client against a sales manager claiming unfair dismissal and sisability discrimination fired because he flew to Hong Kong while claiming to be off sick with a very bad back. When he was caught bang to rights in HK he called his GP in SW London who agreed to amend the sick note to include a further diagnosis of "stress at work". Problem was we had both notes. The employee also claimed in his statement that his HK acupuncturist was the only person who could relieve the bad back. When I put it to him that 14 hours in a plane would not be of much assistance to such a condition he said he got "upgraded".
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They might be deeply unpleasant too but they are definitely vials.....FrancisUrquhart said:
Again it is all about the supply. We know pfizer will be reduced for a week or two (but have 5m doses of that). The big one is how fast can they bottle 20m doses of AZN (and do they have enough viles). 3-4m batch arrives early next week, but that needs to keep coming.Andy_JS said:
500k shouldn't be that difficult to organise given how well things are already going.FrancisUrquhart said:350k / day already for UK and with the iffy weather...500k / day should be the target for next week.
To infinity and beyond.1 -
Between two and three weeks for the vaccine to become effective to around 70% with a single dose.stodge said:Afternoon all
Encouraging signs on the case numbers suggesting lockdown (possibly aided by the poor weather helping to keep people indoors - it was certainly quiet in a rainy East Ham this morning) is having an impact.
The numbers of deaths profoundly depressing unfortunately and the numbers in hospital also worrying.
I had expected the impact of vaccination to be a fall off in the numbers of those dying (with those most at risk of so doing being vaccinated) and a fall in the numbers of those in hospital (for similar reasons) while case numbers might remain high due to transmission among younger and therefore less vulnerable individuals.
Today's figures suggest something else is going on - are we seeing more younger people being hospitalised or is it the numbers of vaccinations are yet to have an impact for whatever reason.
For context, in the UK, 3.4 million people over 80, 9 million between 65 and 80 and a further 13 million between 50 and 65.
In England alone 3 million people have had at least one dose of vaccine since December 8th.
As to how long it will take, that will depend on how many choose to take up the offer of the vaccine.0 -
Hospital admissions are a trailing indicator - most people are admitted to hospital some time after first showing symptoms.stodge said:Afternoon all
Encouraging signs on the case numbers suggesting lockdown (possibly aided by the poor weather helping to keep people indoors - it was certainly quiet in a rainy East Ham this morning) is having an impact.
The numbers of deaths profoundly depressing unfortunately and the numbers in hospital also worrying.
I had expected the impact of vaccination to be a fall off in the numbers of those dying (with those most at risk of so doing being vaccinated) and a fall in the numbers of those in hospital (for similar reasons) while case numbers might remain high due to transmission among younger and therefore less vulnerable individuals.
Today's figures suggest something else is going on - are we seeing more younger people being hospitalised or is it the numbers of vaccinations are yet to have an impact for whatever reason.
For context, in the UK, 3.4 million people over 80, 9 million between 65 and 80 and a further 13 million between 50 and 65.
In England alone 3 million people have had at least one dose of vaccine since December 8th.
As to how long it will take, that will depend on how many choose to take up the offer of the vaccine.
Likewise vaccinations also have a lead time - if it is 10 days before the vaccination takes full effect it will be something like 14/17 days from the date of vaccination before it will impact hospital numbers.
So I can see why things look how they do at the moment - the number of older (80 plus) patients being hospitalized will start dropping over the next 2 weeks.
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I was peripherally involved in a case with a former employer. An employee left, and sued for reason X.DougSeal said:
He felt she had some psychiatric issues. Her counsel by this point agreed.Malmesbury said:
Magnificent. What was the reaction of the judge?DougSeal said:
The employee in one of my first ever employment tribunals (this was in 2002) calmly informed the judge that her 28 year old line manager personally imprisoned her father during the Mau Mau uprising in about 1959.Malmesbury said:
My legal friend said that the Judge in question - it was some kind of dispute hearing, just the judge - was well known for sticking to formal behaviour. In the face of this, he became... not sarcastic, but some of the legal precedents he mentioned were in that direction, apparently.DougSeal said:
I've seen stupider arguments in court - many of them from Her Majesty's Government. Such as Suella Braverman QC's...erm...brave argument that a trial judge was in the wrong because not only was he entitled to depart from a sentencing guideline but he was positively required to do so. Takes all sorts.Malmesbury said:
The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.IshmaelZ said:
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.
Apparently the RSPCA is the all time champion of bizarre law bending (and breaking) in the charity sector, but the NT is trying very hard to get in there.
Shortly after that I defended the same client against a sales manager claiming unfair dismissal and sisability discrimination fired because he flew to Hong Kong while claiming to be off sick with a very bad back. When he was caught bang to rights in HK he called his GP in SW London who agreed to amend the sick note to include a further diagnosis of "stress at work". Problem was we had both notes. The employee also claimed in his statement that his HK acupuncturist was the only person who could relieve the bad back. When I put it to him that 14 hours in a plane would not be of much assistance to such a condition he said he got "upgraded".
When clearing out her desk, it turned out that they had left papers behind. These included copies of settlements for suing for X against previous employers. And detailed notes on how fabricating the evidence for this claim was going, referencing the fabrications for the previous lawsuits.1 -
That's not great news, but definitely time to stop it given that viral mutations have been linked back to patients receiving convalescent plasma.Andy_JS said:"Covid: 'Convalescent plasma no benefit to hospital patients'"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-556810512 -
All the National Trust properties I have visited seem to be run by ladies of a certain age in tweed skirts and sensible shoes. And the cafes are full of comfortable middle class families in Burberry and wellies having tea and scones. It's all quintessentially English.NickPalmer said:
Casino's comment sounds encouraging. Perhaps I should join. What other fronts of the culture war am I neglecting?DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.0 -
Yes, but they are being subject to insidious and subliminal socialist propaganda.anothernick said:
All the National Trust properties I have visited seem to be run by ladies of a certain age in tweed skirts and sensible shoes. And the cafes are full of comfortable middle class families in Burberry and wellies having tea and scones. It's all quintessentially English.NickPalmer said:
Casino's comment sounds encouraging. Perhaps I should join. What other fronts of the culture war am I neglecting?DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The scones may seem middle class but the jam is always red1 -
The age related stats -MaxPB said:
Between two and three weeks for the vaccine to become effective to around 70% with a single dose.stodge said:Afternoon all
Encouraging signs on the case numbers suggesting lockdown (possibly aided by the poor weather helping to keep people indoors - it was certainly quiet in a rainy East Ham this morning) is having an impact.
The numbers of deaths profoundly depressing unfortunately and the numbers in hospital also worrying.
I had expected the impact of vaccination to be a fall off in the numbers of those dying (with those most at risk of so doing being vaccinated) and a fall in the numbers of those in hospital (for similar reasons) while case numbers might remain high due to transmission among younger and therefore less vulnerable individuals.
Today's figures suggest something else is going on - are we seeing more younger people being hospitalised or is it the numbers of vaccinations are yet to have an impact for whatever reason.
For context, in the UK, 3.4 million people over 80, 9 million between 65 and 80 and a further 13 million between 50 and 65.
In England alone 3 million people have had at least one dose of vaccine since December 8th.
As to how long it will take, that will depend on how many choose to take up the offer of the vaccine.
Looks like falls in the under 65s cases, starting around the 7th. Hospitalisations are still on the rise, because of the lag.0 -
Ah, shucks. Apols.IshmaelZ said:
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.0 -
You have to be a Gold member to get a tour of their underground weapons factories.....anothernick said:
All the National Trust properties I have visited seem to be run by ladies of a certain age in tweed skirts and sensible shoes. And the cafes are full of comfortable middle class families in Burberry and wellies having tea and scones. It's all quintessentially English.NickPalmer said:
Casino's comment sounds encouraging. Perhaps I should join. What other fronts of the culture war am I neglecting?DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.1 -
What we are saying then is those who were vaccinated have a 14-21 day period where the level of immunity rises gradually to 70% (we know with Pfizer that reaches the mid-90s seven days after the second vaccination). During that period and presumably especially at the beginning of it they are still vulnerable to infection.MaxPB said:
Between two and three weeks for the vaccine to become effective to around 70% with a single dose.
Therefore, in theory, someone can go and get a first vaccination on Monday and get infected with Covid on Tuesday.
I've no knowledge of this (not that old yet) but are those vaccinated being advised they have to remain very careful and cautious during this initial period as immunity builds?
The second point is the figures seem to suggest the numbers getting a second vaccination are a very low proportion of the numbers being vaccinated. I don't know enough but it seems odd given all the resource we seem to have in terms of vaccine, those administering it etc that we aren't actively providing the second vaccination?
Again, I don't know if 70% of immunity is enough but I think I would prefer a second vaccination and 95% immunity so can you request a second vaccination 21 days after your first or has that window been closed in the interest of getting more people an initial vaccination?0 -
Not cancel them, though. But to get such a politicised organisation to actually listen you need to hit them where it hurts.DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The wallet.1 -
The problem is that the HQ is attracting people of a certain type. They appear, from the behaviour, to have previously worked at Trafigura. I suggest checking out their behaviour towards tenant farmers on their properties. Landlordism of a kind that has almost an Irish flavour to it.anothernick said:
All the National Trust properties I have visited seem to be run by ladies of a certain age in tweed skirts and sensible shoes. And the cafes are full of comfortable middle class families in Burberry and wellies having tea and scones. It's all quintessentially English.NickPalmer said:
Casino's comment sounds encouraging. Perhaps I should join. What other fronts of the culture war am I neglecting?DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.2 -
Whoever came up with the idea of using cathedrals as vaccination centres deserves a gong.
"Salisbury Cathedral has been transformed into a vaccination centre with an RAF veteran being one of the first to receive the Covid-19 jab.
Former Flight Sergeant Louis Godwin, 95, gave a thumbs-up after being vaccinated in the cathedral, which dates back more than 800 years.
"I was so pleased to get it, especially in a setting like this," he said.
Organisers were aiming to vaccinate 1,000 people aged over 80 with the Pfizer/BioNTech jab on Saturday."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-556890720 -
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At least the next Russian spies can use Salisbury Cathedral as an excuse again next time they visit to steal info on how to run a good vaccination programme.Andy_JS said:Whoever came up with the idea of using cathedrals as vaccination centres deserves a gong.
"Salisbury Cathedral has been transformed into a vaccination centre with an RAF veteran being one of the first to receive the Covid-19 jab.
Former Flight Sergeant Louis Godwin, 95, gave a thumbs-up after being vaccinated in the cathedral, which dates back more than 800 years.
"I was so pleased to get it, especially in a setting like this," he said.
Organisers were aiming to vaccinate 1,000 people aged over 80 with the Pfizer/BioNTech jab on Saturday."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-55689072
"We came to see the famous Salisbury vaccination centre, it has the tallest spires of any vaccination centre."4 -
Of course the people staffing the properties are; but too many of their bosses are typical anti-nationalists. Charles Moore gently thunders on the topic here:anothernick said:
All the National Trust properties I have visited seem to be run by ladies of a certain age in tweed skirts and sensible shoes. And the cafes are full of comfortable middle class families in Burberry and wellies having tea and scones. It's all quintessentially English.NickPalmer said:
Casino's comment sounds encouraging. Perhaps I should join. What other fronts of the culture war am I neglecting?DougSeal said:
Cancel the National Trust? FFS.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-national-trusts-shameful-manifesto0 -
Employment Tribunals are getting very tough about that. Normally in an ET you are not awarded your costs if you win but a few months back a hotel in London got a costs award of (from memory) roughly £350,000 against their former employee because he had secretly recorded dozens of hours of conversations with his colleagues in order to implicate them in a harassment claim. A record costs award from a Tribunal against an employee IIRC. Doubt they will see much of it but still.Malmesbury said:
I was peripherally involved in a case with a former employer. An employee left, and sued for reason X.DougSeal said:
He felt she had some psychiatric issues. Her counsel by this point agreed.Malmesbury said:
Magnificent. What was the reaction of the judge?DougSeal said:
The employee in one of my first ever employment tribunals (this was in 2002) calmly informed the judge that her 28 year old line manager personally imprisoned her father during the Mau Mau uprising in about 1959.Malmesbury said:
My legal friend said that the Judge in question - it was some kind of dispute hearing, just the judge - was well known for sticking to formal behaviour. In the face of this, he became... not sarcastic, but some of the legal precedents he mentioned were in that direction, apparently.DougSeal said:
I've seen stupider arguments in court - many of them from Her Majesty's Government. Such as Suella Braverman QC's...erm...brave argument that a trial judge was in the wrong because not only was he entitled to depart from a sentencing guideline but he was positively required to do so. Takes all sorts.Malmesbury said:
The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.IshmaelZ said:
Reined in. Please.Casino_Royale said:
We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.Malmesbury said:MaxPB said:
And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.londonpubman said:
Up about 325,000 👍Anabobazina said:Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?
They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.Charles said:FPT @Foxy
It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).Foxy said:
Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.Dura_Ace said:
Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.HYUFD said:
I will make a payment to the NTkinabalu said:
Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.HYUFD said:
Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.kinabalu said:
Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.Scott_xP said:
Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.
No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.
It needs to be put back in its box.
I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.
Apparently the RSPCA is the all time champion of bizarre law bending (and breaking) in the charity sector, but the NT is trying very hard to get in there.
Shortly after that I defended the same client against a sales manager claiming unfair dismissal and sisability discrimination fired because he flew to Hong Kong while claiming to be off sick with a very bad back. When he was caught bang to rights in HK he called his GP in SW London who agreed to amend the sick note to include a further diagnosis of "stress at work". Problem was we had both notes. The employee also claimed in his statement that his HK acupuncturist was the only person who could relieve the bad back. When I put it to him that 14 hours in a plane would not be of much assistance to such a condition he said he got "upgraded".
When clearing out her desk, it turned out that they had left papers behind. These included copies of settlements for suing for X against previous employers. And detailed notes on how fabricating the evidence for this claim was going, referencing the fabrications for the previous lawsuits.0 -
They were also playing the organ too. Brilliant all-round effort.Andy_JS said:Whoever came up with the idea of using cathedrals as vaccination centres deserves a gong.
"Salisbury Cathedral has been transformed into a vaccination centre with an RAF veteran being one of the first to receive the Covid-19 jab.
Former Flight Sergeant Louis Godwin, 95, gave a thumbs-up after being vaccinated in the cathedral, which dates back more than 800 years.
"I was so pleased to get it, especially in a setting like this," he said.
Organisers were aiming to vaccinate 1,000 people aged over 80 with the Pfizer/BioNTech jab on Saturday."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-556890720
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