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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    My only problem with NT is their ban on Quadcopter flights over their land, actually our land, and also I refuse to call my quadcopter a drone.
    I do not want to fly around their stately homes etc, but they own huge swathes of deserted countryside and coastline that I could use without anyone objecting, but no, I am not allowed.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,208

    Third, I'd coach/bus children in from inner cities to NT properties, so they can see them and enjoy them - much of the imbalance is due simply to transport and its rurality - and, finally, give every kid in the land the taste of a cream tea. It's amazing, and life changing.

    What if it ends in tears and they vandalise the place?
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    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Are Biden, Harris and Pelosi all going to be at the inauguration?

    Who is designated survivor if Biden has no sworn in Cabinet?
    The 91 year old senator Chuck Grassley.

    He's third in line in the Presidential line of succession as President Pro Tempore of the Senate.
    Given his age and the times we live in...Who's fourth?
    The Secretary of State, which is likely to be vacant.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,878

    DougSeal said:



    I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.

    Cancel the National Trust? FFS.
    Casino's comment sounds encouraging. Perhaps I should join. What other fronts of the culture war am I neglecting?
    All the National Trust properties I have visited seem to be run by ladies of a certain age in tweed skirts and sensible shoes. And the cafes are full of comfortable middle class families in Burberry and wellies having tea and scones. It's all quintessentially English.
    Of course the people staffing the properties are; but too many of their bosses are typical anti-nationalists. Charles Moore gently thunders on the topic here:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-national-trusts-shameful-manifesto
    On the contrary, part of what seems to have pricked Moore's thumb in that article is the criticism of Churchill and Curzon's "antinationalism".
    Particularly amusing the writer wailing about contested terms like "colonialism" (well that's a woke criticism if ever I saw one) whilst slipping into pejorative terms like "hit list" and bemoaning the fact someone had the temerity to comment about the British monarchy's silence about its chequered past.

    I am a member of the NT, and this criticism reads more like the hurt feelings of someone who's stumbled upon the idea that some people see a benefit in reassessing our country's past and emphasising that not everything was good. And God knows, someone needs to say it.
    I think I'll be keeping my NT membership.
    Mrs P and I bought life memberships when we retired and, this excepted, we've had great value from it ever since.

    Funnily enough, whenever we vist a NT property, it's the buildings, landscapes, gardens and art works we tend to notice, not the politics. That said, it seems entriely right to point out to visitors where a property has been built on the back of slave trade profits, and to show the inequities inherent in the country house lifestyle of former times.

    Finally, as a wheelchair user I applaud the NT's efforts to make their properties as accessible as possible within the constraints of old buildings etc. They put English Heritage to shame - the latter give the impression they could'nt give a damn about access.
    Fair enough, but isn't it harder for English Heritage given they have castles and medieval buildings and the like?

    And, on the former, it depends entirely how you do it. If it's a few historical information boards that allow you to explore the story yourself, sure. If it's shoved in your face as the overriding message from the second you walk in the door, together with being told in no uncertain terms what you should think about that, then no. That's insulting and divisive.

    Anyway, I must go. Family supper beckons.
    I appreciate you have probably gone to supper but to answer your question about English Heritage: No, I don't believe it's harder for them than the NT to made access better.

    Because many of their sites are ruins, a lot could be done just by putting in ramps rather than steps on the grass grounds around the ruins. Rivaulx Abbey and Lindisfarne Priory are just a couple of examples where a few ramped paths would make a big difference.

    Give me the 'woke' NT any day! :wink:
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,882
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    But the funds and powers fall within areas determined by the devolution acts as pertaining to the Scottish Government. And changing those powers requires consent by the Scottish Parliament under the Sewell Convention. Unless you think Brexit cancelled that? What else did it ****ing cancel? Magna Carta?
    The Sewell Convention sounds daft if a central govt cannot spend money on its constituent nations and regions.

    No wonder Sindy sentiment is rising.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,036

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Are Biden, Harris and Pelosi all going to be at the inauguration?

    Who is designated survivor if Biden has no sworn in Cabinet?
    The 91 year old senator Chuck Grassley.

    He's third in line in the Presidential line of succession as President Pro Tempore of the Senate.
    Given his age and the times we live in...Who's fourth?
    The Secretary of State, which is likely to be vacant.
    President Vacant.
    There's a tune to replace Hail to the Chief readily available.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,159
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    You obviously never read the article then, the arsehole specifically pointed out they would be spending it in England.
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    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Are Biden, Harris and Pelosi all going to be at the inauguration?

    Who is designated survivor if Biden has no sworn in Cabinet?
    The 91 year old senator Chuck Grassley.

    He's third in line in the Presidential line of succession as President Pro Tempore of the Senate.
    Given his age and the times we live in...Who's fourth?
    The Secretary of State, which is likely to be vacant.
    President Vacant.
    There's a tune to replace Hail to the Chief readily available.
    I think Mitch will expedite at least one cabinet hearing to allow a continuity of government.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,208

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    But the funds and powers fall within areas determined by the devolution acts as pertaining to the Scottish Government. And changing those powers requires consent by the Scottish Parliament under the Sewell Convention. Unless you think Brexit cancelled that? What else did it ****ing cancel? Magna Carta?
    The Sewell Convention sounds daft if a central govt cannot spend money on its constituent nations and regions.

    No wonder Sindy sentiment is rising.
    The problem that a lot of British nationalists have is that the real UK doesn't match the version of the UK that's in their heads.
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    BBC News - Home Office 'working to restore' lost police records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55691710
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    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    You obviously never read the article then, the arsehole specifically pointed out they would be spending it in England.
    No he didn't.
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    Quincel said:

    OT - interesting thred, but think Pip (aka Quincel) may be wrong about one key factor.

    Namely, the assertion that "Republicans have little chance in the general". When in fact some of the most famous - and occasionally successful - mayors in the history of New York City have in fact been elected (at least for starters) as Republicans.

    > Michael Bloomberg, who IIRC changed his registration from Democratic to Republican before he entered his 1st mayors race. Why? Because he knew that he stood VERY little chance of winning the Democratic nomination, given the byzantine nature of NYC Democratic politics. SO instead, he ran as a Republican - and won.

    > Rudolph Giuliani was always a Republican (before he morphed into a Nazi) and while he lost his first race for mayor (to Democrat David Dinkins) in a close race, he won the rematch four years later.

    > John Lindsay did much the same thing to first win election as Mayor. Then, when he ran for re-election and lost the GOP nomination (to a conservative) he was the standard bearer for the Liberal Party, and won again.

    > Fiorello La Guardia is the most famous example, and also the greatest mayor in the history of New York City, was a progressive Republican, not because of his love of the GOP but because of his hatred for Tammy Hall which dominated NYC Democratic politics. So he ran as a Republican AND as an Independent "Fusion" candidate - and won, then went on to be re-elected twice the same way.

    SO while it may seem that the Republican nomination SHOULD be worthless in New York CIty, based on partisan voting patters from the White House to the state house, this is NOT always the case.

    Of course Democrat Bill De Blasio broke the pattern. But given that HE could not get himself elected dogcatcher this decade let alone mayor (even IF he wasn't precluded from running this year by term limit).

    I do think that the GOP would stand a bit of a chance if they had anyone impressive in the mix on their side: But I also think that New York has become more reliably Democrat in the last 10-20 years just as rural areas have become even more red and many cities even more blue.

    Would Giuliani win today, for example (or would a 2008 Boris Johnson in 2021 London)? They'd still have a chance, but I think they'd have a very difficult task even then.
    The extreme toxicity of the Republican brand, thanks to Trump (and Giuliani) and their ilk, makes things different this year.
    You may have a point. However, it MIGHT be possible for a quality candidate (esp. one independently wealthy like Bloomberg) to run as an anti-Trump Republican.

    Note that La Guardia was elected running (partly) on the Republican ticket in 1933, which was just a year AFTER Herbert Hoover got stomped nationally AND in NYC.

    Of course The Little Flower was NOT a Hoover Republican! Far from it!
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,958

    BBC News - Home Office 'working to restore' lost police records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55691710

    I assume they mean digitally, rather than arresting 210,000 random people to replace the lost biometric data.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,936
    jayfdee said:

    My only problem with NT is their ban on Quadcopter flights over their land, actually our land, and also I refuse to call my quadcopter a drone.
    I do not want to fly around their stately homes etc, but they own huge swathes of deserted countryside and coastline that I could use without anyone objecting, but no, I am not allowed.

    That's because you must either be a terrorist or an idiot that likes to buzz people. Or Gatwick airport. Obviously.

    :rolleyes:
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    edited January 2021
    Southampton at 5.4 are overpriced at Leicester tonight IMO.
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    Why have Wales and Scotland not reported any vaccination data today?
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,936
    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,056
    "Lacklustre Starmer needs to be surprising
    The Labour leader is too cautious to unseat Johnson and isn’t helped by lightweight performers in his frontbench team
    Matthew Parris" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/lacklustre-starmer-needs-to-be-surprising-mmxvbnzvz
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,203
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    You obviously never read the article then, the arsehole specifically pointed out they would be spending it in England.
    'Whitehall is to bypass the devolved administrations and replace European structural funds with a centrally-controlled fund.

    In Scotland, that means more than £100m is set to be spent by the UK government on projects'
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890

    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    I quite agree, redistribution didn't go far enough.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,203
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    But the funds and powers fall within areas determined by the devolution acts as pertaining to the Scottish Government. And changing those powers requires consent by the Scottish Parliament under the Sewell Convention. Unless you think Brexit cancelled that? What else did it ****ing cancel? Magna Carta?
    No it doesn't, these were not funds raised by Holyrood, they are funds reclaimed by the UK government from the EU.

    It is therefore up to the UK government how to spend them
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890
    Stocky said:

    Southampton at 5.4 are overpriced at Leicester tonight IMO.

    I think so too, much as Leicester are hitting a run of form.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited January 2021
    Quite impressive that in England added ~50k extra vaccinations each and every day throughout this week.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,056

    BBC News - Home Office 'working to restore' lost police records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55691710

    Get Norton SystemWorks on the job.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Southampton at 5.4 are overpriced at Leicester tonight IMO.

    I think so too, much as Leicester are hitting a run of form.
    I just got 5.5 with Smarkets.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,813

    Scott_xP said:
    Are Biden, Harris and Pelosi all going to be at the inauguration?

    Who is designated survivor if Biden has no sworn in Cabinet?
    The 91 year old senator Chuck Grassley.

    He's third in line in the Presidential line of succession as President Pro Tempore of the Senate.
    The 25th amendment is going to get used at some point.

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,697

    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    "They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
    Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
    They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
    They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
    And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
    Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs."
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,396
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lacklustre Starmer needs to be surprising
    The Labour leader is too cautious to unseat Johnson and isn’t helped by lightweight performers in his frontbench team
    Matthew Parris" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/lacklustre-starmer-needs-to-be-surprising-mmxvbnzvz

    ...it was all going so well for Starmer, and then Boris conquered Covid!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,203

    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    While many of the aristocracy married off their sons to wealthy American heriesses and their daughters to wealthy British industrialists
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,697

    Quincel said:

    OT - interesting thred, but think Pip (aka Quincel) may be wrong about one key factor.

    Namely, the assertion that "Republicans have little chance in the general". When in fact some of the most famous - and occasionally successful - mayors in the history of New York City have in fact been elected (at least for starters) as Republicans.

    > Michael Bloomberg, who IIRC changed his registration from Democratic to Republican before he entered his 1st mayors race. Why? Because he knew that he stood VERY little chance of winning the Democratic nomination, given the byzantine nature of NYC Democratic politics. SO instead, he ran as a Republican - and won.

    > Rudolph Giuliani was always a Republican (before he morphed into a Nazi) and while he lost his first race for mayor (to Democrat David Dinkins) in a close race, he won the rematch four years later.

    > John Lindsay did much the same thing to first win election as Mayor. Then, when he ran for re-election and lost the GOP nomination (to a conservative) he was the standard bearer for the Liberal Party, and won again.

    > Fiorello La Guardia is the most famous example, and also the greatest mayor in the history of New York City, was a progressive Republican, not because of his love of the GOP but because of his hatred for Tammy Hall which dominated NYC Democratic politics. So he ran as a Republican AND as an Independent "Fusion" candidate - and won, then went on to be re-elected twice the same way.

    SO while it may seem that the Republican nomination SHOULD be worthless in New York CIty, based on partisan voting patters from the White House to the state house, this is NOT always the case.

    Of course Democrat Bill De Blasio broke the pattern. But given that HE could not get himself elected dogcatcher this decade let alone mayor (even IF he wasn't precluded from running this year by term limit).

    I do think that the GOP would stand a bit of a chance if they had anyone impressive in the mix on their side: But I also think that New York has become more reliably Democrat in the last 10-20 years just as rural areas have become even more red and many cities even more blue.

    Would Giuliani win today, for example (or would a 2008 Boris Johnson in 2021 London)? They'd still have a chance, but I think they'd have a very difficult task even then.
    The extreme toxicity of the Republican brand, thanks to Trump (and Giuliani) and their ilk, makes things different this year.
    You may have a point. However, it MIGHT be possible for a quality candidate (esp. one independently wealthy like Bloomberg) to run as an anti-Trump Republican.

    Note that La Guardia was elected running (partly) on the Republican ticket in 1933, which was just a year AFTER Herbert Hoover got stomped nationally AND in NYC.

    Of course The Little Flower was NOT a Hoover Republican! Far from it!
    More likely as a RIAN - just invented this - Republican In Another Name
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,396

    Why have Wales and Scotland not reported any vaccination data today?

    Drakeford forgot to order any vaccine from Boris?
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    I notice a young lad called Will Smallbone is starting for Southampton tonight. I don't think his parents did him a lot of favours with his name.
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    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    "They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
    Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
    They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
    They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
    And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
    Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs."
    Are the English REALLY so fond of tugging their forelocks, doffing their hats and otherwise abasing themselves before their highers and (?) betters (if not bettors)?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,159
    edited January 2021

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    You obviously never read the article then, the arsehole specifically pointed out they would be spending it in England.
    No he didn't.
    Oh yes he did................"Levelling up" is a UK project, mainly associated with lower income parts of the north of England.
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    edited January 2021

    Why have Wales and Scotland not reported any vaccination data today?

    Don't know about Wales but I did catch a line in a BBC article that Scotland doesn't report vaccination data at the weekend? Will see if I can find the article link again.

    Edit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55688152

    "The number of new vaccinations are not reported at the weekend."
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,159
    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    You obviously never read the article then, the arsehole specifically pointed out they would be spending it in England.
    'Whitehall is to bypass the devolved administrations and replace European structural funds with a centrally-controlled fund.

    In Scotland, that means more than £100m is set to be spent by the UK government on projects'
    "Levelling up" is a UK project, mainly associated with lower income parts of the north of England.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited January 2021

    Why have Wales and Scotland not reported any vaccination data today?

    Don't know about Wales but I did catch a line in a BBC article that Scotland doesn't report vaccination data at the weekend? Will see if I can find the article link again.
    Bit of an odd decision. If you are already collating and reporting cases, deaths, etc, why leave out vaccinations.

    5k in one day at the one centre sounds good.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    Yes, attitudes like yours and comments like that are the problem.
    My attitude is bad whereas yours is good, because...?
    Because you are blind to seeing any criticism of it and simply view my opposition as reactionary.

    If you recognised and at least engaged with some of my points, I'd perhaps think differently.
    You know what? I really don't care.

    If you don't like the National Trust, don't go and don't pay.

    I don't like Wetherspoons, so I don't go there.
    Wetherspoons always does decent beer, well kept and at a good price. The food is unadventurous but a bargain.

    If it wasn't for the fact that they are closed, only the boorish covidiocy and Brexitism would keep me away. As it is, I will support independent pubs when they re-open.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,958
    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    Yes, attitudes like yours and comments like that are the problem.
    My attitude is bad whereas yours is good, because...?
    Because you are blind to seeing any criticism of it and simply view my opposition as reactionary.

    If you recognised and at least engaged with some of my points, I'd perhaps think differently.
    You know what? I really don't care.

    If you don't like the National Trust, don't go and don't pay.

    I don't like Wetherspoons, so I don't go there.
    Wetherspoons always does decent beer, well kept and at a good price. The food is unadventurous but a bargain.

    If it wasn't for the fact that they are closed, only the boorish covidiocy and Brexitism would keep me away. As it is, I will support independent pubs when they re-open.
    I used to be a big fan of Weatherspoons and decided that I didn't want Brexit to make me a full-on culture warrior so I was very happy to go pre-pandemic. The way they treated staff and suppliers at the start of the pandemic however I think we a very poor display of business ethics and I would rather not drink there now.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    FPT @Foxy

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.
    Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.

    Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
    Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.

    And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.

    No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
    I will make a payment to the NT
    Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.
    Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.
    It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).

    The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
    Why were they upset? There's nothing wrong with being gay. It's not illegal any more.
    Because it was a private and personal matter. In its arrogance the National Trust took that choice away from him. It’s a gross intrusion of privacy.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890
    edited January 2021
    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Southampton at 5.4 are overpriced at Leicester tonight IMO.

    I think so too, much as Leicester are hitting a run of form.
    I just got 5.5 with Smarkets.
    Leicester home form is poor, but a strong side and bench tonight. Looks a good match.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,697
    edited January 2021

    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    "They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
    Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
    They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
    They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
    And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
    Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs."
    Are the English REALLY so fond of tugging their forelocks, doffing their hats and otherwise abasing themselves before their highers and (?) betters (if not bettors)?
    Not more than any other culture.

    It's just that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

    A Ghanian friend observed that when the British ran Ghana, white men on horseback gave stupid orders. Then aid agencies arrived and lots more white men in Landrovers gave stupid orders. Now the Chinese are there giving stupid orders....
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,379
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lacklustre Starmer needs to be surprising
    The Labour leader is too cautious to unseat Johnson and isn’t helped by lightweight performers in his frontbench team
    Matthew Parris" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/lacklustre-starmer-needs-to-be-surprising-mmxvbnzvz

    I doin't totally disagree, but I'm wary of the partisan political tradition of claiming that one rather liked the predecessors on the other side, by sad contrast to the current lot. I genuinely don't believe that Miatthew Parris prefers John McDonnell to Anneliese Dodds in any way.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    You obviously never read the article then, the arsehole specifically pointed out they would be spending it in England.
    'Whitehall is to bypass the devolved administrations and replace European structural funds with a centrally-controlled fund.

    In Scotland, that means more than £100m is set to be spent by the UK government on projects'
    "Levelling up" is a UK project, mainly associated with lower income parts of the north of England.
    Yeah, thats going to happen!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    IshmaelZ said:

    MaxPB said:

    Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?

    Up about 325,000 👍
    And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.
    Charles said:

    FPT @Foxy

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.
    Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.

    Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
    Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.

    And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.

    No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
    I will make a payment to the NT
    Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.
    Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.
    It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).

    The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
    They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.

    A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
    We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.

    It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.

    It needs to be put back in its box.

    I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
    Reined in. Please.
    The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.

    The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.
    How did the judge react?
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    The National Trust are cunning bastards when it comes to car park tariffs in Wales and elsewhere.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,617

    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    "They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
    Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
    They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
    They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
    And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
    Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs."
    Are the English REALLY so fond of tugging their forelocks, doffing their hats and otherwise abasing themselves before their highers and (?) betters (if not bettors)?
    We are, and there is something romantic about aristocratic power, but the tragedy isn't that that era has passed, it's the buildings that were destroyed in the rush toward a 'brave new world' - beauty that we can't get back. It was vandalism on an epic scale. We have a lot to thank the National Trust for, because without that organisation, many many more great houses and parks would have been demolished and torn up.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    MaxPB said:

    Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?

    Up about 325,000 👍
    And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.
    Charles said:

    FPT @Foxy

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.
    Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.

    Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
    Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.

    And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.

    No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
    I will make a payment to the NT
    Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.
    Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.
    It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).

    The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
    They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.

    A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
    We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.

    It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.

    It needs to be put back in its box.

    I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
    They regularly try to break the covenants on our family house (my cousin went on a 3 month safari when she retired and they decided that she had “abandoned” her flat above the public rooms).
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,203
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    You obviously never read the article then, the arsehole specifically pointed out they would be spending it in England.
    'Whitehall is to bypass the devolved administrations and replace European structural funds with a centrally-controlled fund.

    In Scotland, that means more than £100m is set to be spent by the UK government on projects'
    "Levelling up" is a UK project, mainly associated with lower income parts of the north of England.
    These are extra funds only available to all parts of the UK reclaimed from the EU because of the Brexit the SNP opposed.

    Quite right the UK government provides them to show the benefits of Brexit to Scots and the rest of the UK
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,396
    edited January 2021
    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    MoE, more-or-less.

    According to my analysis, Johnson should be pulling away until the second half of the year. I suspect this is an outlier.

    The LDs look far too low for me.
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    BBC News - Home Office 'working to restore' lost police records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55691710

    Good.

    One problem oft-overlooked by the naive "just take backups" brigade is how to restore data to a system which is in constant use. Restoring the system might involve taking it offline for several hours, which is inconvenient if your customers are trying to buy Weetabix or solve crime. More importantly, if you restore the system to just before the data was lost, then in doing so you will lose all of the new data that has been added to the system in the days or weeks since then.
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,762
    PBers more interested in a local election in a land far away than that right here in God's Own Country.

    Not a criticism, just an observation.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890
    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Dirty sleazy Tories on the slide...
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,396

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
    Too many Trawlermen in the sample perhaps.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,958

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    MoE, more-or-less.

    According to my analysis, Johnson should be pulling away until the second half of the year. I suspect this is an outlier.
    If the SNP actually are on 6% nationally that would suggest 60-70% support in Scotland.

    Probably MoE, but would be a hell of a thing.
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    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    You obviously never read the article then, the arsehole specifically pointed out they would be spending it in England.
    No he didn't.
    Oh yes he did................"Levelling up" is a UK project, mainly associated with lower income parts of the north of England.
    That's what the BBC article has added as an explainer, not a quote from the minister.

    You really should learn to read.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,978

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
    Starmer can continue to play it safe - Johnson continue to be incompetent and a way out from the next election.

    The handling of the virus has been awful - but education has been a shambles as well. Could be the start of sustained lab leads
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,697
    Charles said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MaxPB said:

    Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?

    Up about 325,000 👍
    And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.
    Charles said:

    FPT @Foxy

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.
    Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.

    Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
    Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.

    And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.

    No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
    I will make a payment to the NT
    Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.
    Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.
    It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).

    The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
    They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.

    A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
    We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.

    It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.

    It needs to be put back in its box.

    I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
    Reined in. Please.
    The funniest bit in the case I mentioned was that the NT, when they lost, asked the judge to make the proceedings secret. Their reasoning was their (failed) attempt at breaking a covenant would damage their reputation and make people less likely to deed properties to them.

    The cherry on top was an additional argument - that reporting of the case might cause donors to create more onerous and binding conditions in the covenants.
    How did the judge react?
    I believe the answer was "no" on everything.
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    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    While many of the aristocracy married off their sons to wealthy American heriesses and their daughters to wealthy British industrialists
    Others handed their wealth to Ladbrokes or John Aspinall. Lord Lucan was not the only aristocrat who got cleaned out, though most did not turn to murder.
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    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    "They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
    Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
    They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
    They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
    And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
    Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs."
    Are the English REALLY so fond of tugging their forelocks, doffing their hats and otherwise abasing themselves before their highers and (?) betters (if not bettors)?
    Not more than any other culture.

    It's just that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

    A Ghanian friend observed that when the British ran Ghana, white men on horseback gave stupid orders. Then aid agencies arrived and lots more white men in Landrovers gave stupid orders. Now the Chinese are there giving stupid orders....
    Not sure I concur with your first sentence above.

    Have always been an Anglophile (AND a Fenian, it's complicated). However, have always found the strain of subservience in English culture to be remarkable and (as an American) and off-putting.

    Indeed, it is part of our traditional, stereotypical view of the English. Though we recognize that lesser (?) mortals ranging from Jeeves to Michael Caine have their own ways of gaming the class system for fun & profit.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,645

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    You obviously never read the article then, the arsehole specifically pointed out they would be spending it in England.
    No he didn't.
    Oh yes he did................"Levelling up" is a UK project, mainly associated with lower income parts of the north of England.
    That's what the BBC article has added as an explainer, not a quote from the minister.

    You really should learn to read.
    Malc only reads SNP propaganda or stuff he makes up in his own head.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,762
    Never mind the gunman. Why is someone cycling through an airport terminal building?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,697

    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    "They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
    Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
    They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
    They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
    And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
    Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs."
    Are the English REALLY so fond of tugging their forelocks, doffing their hats and otherwise abasing themselves before their highers and (?) betters (if not bettors)?
    Not more than any other culture.

    It's just that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

    A Ghanian friend observed that when the British ran Ghana, white men on horseback gave stupid orders. Then aid agencies arrived and lots more white men in Landrovers gave stupid orders. Now the Chinese are there giving stupid orders....
    Not sure I concur with your first sentence above.

    Have always been an Anglophile (AND a Fenian, it's complicated). However, have always found the strain of subservience in English culture to be remarkable and (as an American) and off-putting.

    Indeed, it is part of our traditional, stereotypical view of the English. Though we recognize that lesser (?) mortals ranging from Jeeves to Michael Caine have their own ways of gaming the class system for fun & profit.
    And then the British look at the way vast number of Americans try and find an aristocracy to revere and giggle.

    The Kennedys for a start....
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,396

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
    Starmer can continue to play it safe - Johnson continue to be incompetent and a way out from the next election.

    The handling of the virus has been awful - but education has been a shambles as well. Could be the start of sustained lab leads
    Johnson's recent handling and comms., post Cummings have been excellent, he is also due a significant vaccine bounce.

    Once the economic picture becomes clearer, it might be a very different story however.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,203
    Quincel said:

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    MoE, more-or-less.

    According to my analysis, Johnson should be pulling away until the second half of the year. I suspect this is an outlier.
    If the SNP actually are on 6% nationally that would suggest 60-70% support in Scotland.

    Probably MoE, but would be a hell of a thing.
    They would also hold the balance of power at Westminster on this poll and Starmer would need their support for a UK majority
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    I can direct Casino Royale to National Trust properties where the old traditions are maintained and he can listen to pleasant & soothing stories of Empire.

    Wales.

    Last time I visited Powys Castle, there was an exhibition presenting booty acquired by Clive of India, father of the British Raj, famed for his maladministration and self-enrichment. This wanker’s only connection to Powys Castle is that his son acquired it by marriage in the early nineteenth century. So, pretty damn tenuous. There was nothing about the thousand year story of the kingdom of Powys and the Castle's connection to its ruling dynasty.

    Because Welsh history is of no fucking interest to the National Trust.

    The National Trust are a huge landowner in Wales. They own almost all land from Abergwyngregyn to Beddgelert in the north, Solfach to Stackpole in the West and holdings such as Abergwesyn in the south.

    It is effectively a modern-day Marcher lordship, administered by the braying English fleece jacketed middle classes to use as a weekend playground.

    We need legislation in Wales to recover the National Trust landholdings to a body answerable to the people of Wales.
    Not the people of England, whether woke or unwoke.

    How does Cadw fit into the general scheme of Welsh heritage sites?
    https://cadw.gov.wales/
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,965
    Now 1984 is out of copyright, can we hope for a Muppet adaptation with Michael Caine as Big Brother ?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890

    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    "They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
    Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
    They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
    They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
    And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
    Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs."
    Are the English REALLY so fond of tugging their forelocks, doffing their hats and otherwise abasing themselves before their highers and (?) betters (if not bettors)?
    Not more than any other culture.

    It's just that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

    A Ghanian friend observed that when the British ran Ghana, white men on horseback gave stupid orders. Then aid agencies arrived and lots more white men in Landrovers gave stupid orders. Now the Chinese are there giving stupid orders....
    Not sure I concur with your first sentence above.

    Have always been an Anglophile (AND a Fenian, it's complicated). However, have always found the strain of subservience in English culture to be remarkable and (as an American) and off-putting.

    Indeed, it is part of our traditional, stereotypical view of the English. Though we recognize that lesser (?) mortals ranging from Jeeves to Michael Caine have their own ways of gaming the class system for fun & profit.
    Oh, I agree. Perhaps it is my own colonial heritage but I do find the servile sycophancy to aristocrats both puzzling and repulsive.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,762
    To summarise:

    Defund the National Trust

    Defund Spoons

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Completely OT. The BBC reports that a group of friends have been fined for driving from Manchester to Uttoxeter (68 miles each way) for the sole purpose of visiting a McDonalds.

    They shouldn't have been fined. They should have been given counselling or, failing that, sectioned.

    Don’t know the details, but surely there must be something more going on there? Met up with someone en route and not admitted it?
    Presumably multiple households
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    Charles said:

    Completely OT. The BBC reports that a group of friends have been fined for driving from Manchester to Uttoxeter (68 miles each way) for the sole purpose of visiting a McDonalds.

    They shouldn't have been fined. They should have been given counselling or, failing that, sectioned.

    Don’t know the details, but surely there must be something more going on there? Met up with someone en route and not admitted it?
    Presumably multiple households
    During the first lockdown they caught some people transporting drugs who would come up.with similarly implausible excuses.
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    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    Do we know today’s UK vaccine total?

    Up about 325,000 👍
    And that's with no reporting from Wales and Scotland, should be another 30k there as well.
    Charles said:

    FPT @Foxy

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Now this is proper big news. The likely new leader of the free world. Who in 1950 would have thought Germany would hold that position in 2020? The times they are a changing, no question about it. On which topic I like the Header and especially the title - Europe's Last American. It's fading fast, the sense of kinship between us and the USA. I can vouch for this personally. I used to feel it, even quite recently, but now I don't. I remain fascinated by America but I look upon it as a strange and exotic land. Much of this is because of Trump but not all of it.
    Germany's leader is not the leader of the free world. Biden will be from Wednesday.

    Germany is not big enough, the EU might be but does not have the will
    Well I look to Berlin not Washington these days for a steer on how I as a citizen of the free world should go about my business.

    And while I have you, let's just knock our bet on the head. £25 to a Good Cause. I give you 3 options. Mermaids. Jeremy Corbyn's new Peace & Fellowship project. Or the National Trust.

    No receipt required. I trust you 100%.
    I will make a payment to the NT
    Toby Young said we all had to ragequit the NT. Based patriots complied.
    Yes, apparently explaining the history of their properties was a crime against British history, or something.
    It’s not always a simple as that. A good friend of mine’s cousin was a very private man. His family knew he was gay but he wanted that kept quiet both because it was personal (and because it was illegal at the time).

    The national trust chose to make it public without consulting his family which caused a great deal of upset

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4745008/amp/Why-National-Trust-outed-leading-historian-gay.html
    They have developed a proven track record of breaking covenants - no not just allowing fox-hunting on their land.

    A legal friend was involved in one case. A property had been deeded to the National Trust. The NT wanted to break the agreement they had signed with the family in question. The NT argument to the court consisted, essentially, of "We are the National Trust, therefore legal agreements should be varied for us,. Because we want to."
    We need to disavow ourselves of the notion The National Trust is a friendly and benign custodian of our nation's heritage anymore.

    It isn't. It's become an arrogant and highly politicised campaigning organisation that's been successfully captured by the Left, and thinks it's above the law.

    It needs to be put back in its box.

    I wouldn't advise anyone giving them any money until they reform themselves, or are reigned in and told to do so by government.
    They regularly try to break the covenants on our family house (my cousin went on a 3 month safari when she retired and they decided that she had “abandoned” her flat above the public rooms).
    Hopefully she got it back? Intact?

    My own abode may be a trifle more humble (though being constructed circa 1920 qualifies as "historic" or close to it in Seattle!) BUT sure would NOT want to be treated that way.
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
    Starmer can continue to play it safe - Johnson continue to be incompetent and a way out from the next election.

    The handling of the virus has been awful - but education has been a shambles as well. Could be the start of sustained lab leads
    Johnson's recent handling and comms., post Cummings have been excellent, he is also due a significant vaccine bounce.

    Once the economic picture becomes clearer, it might be a very different story however.
    Really? The man who said schools were safe on Sunday and then closed schools on Monday? I can think of a number of words to describe comms like that but excellent wouldn't be one of them.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,936
    edited January 2021

    Completely OT. The BBC reports that a group of friends have been fined for driving from Manchester to Uttoxeter (68 miles each way) for the sole purpose of visiting a McDonalds.

    They shouldn't have been fined. They should have been given counselling or, failing that, sectioned.

    Don’t know the details, but surely there must be something more going on there? Met up with someone en route and not admitted it?
    Well, Dura Ace might be best placed to answer this, but people on motorbikes often go on 100 mile trips to a slightly iffy cafe before riding back at speeds above the legal limit.

    They might just have been going for a razz. Not that this is a good idea.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,203
    Quincel said:

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    MoE, more-or-less.

    According to my analysis, Johnson should be pulling away until the second half of the year. I suspect this is an outlier.
    If the SNP actually are on 6% nationally that would suggest 60-70% support in Scotland.

    Probably MoE, but would be a hell of a thing.
    The subsample figures have SNP on 62%, Tories up to 27% in Scotland and Labour on just 9%. So Starmer could not govern without SNP support certainly.

    Leonard could not depart soon enough for SLab

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-6th-january-2021-2/

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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
    Starmer can continue to play it safe - Johnson continue to be incompetent and a way out from the next election.

    The handling of the virus has been awful - but education has been a shambles as well. Could be the start of sustained lab leads
    Johnson's recent handling and comms., post Cummings have been excellent, he is also due a significant vaccine bounce.

    Once the economic picture becomes clearer, it might be a very different story however.
    Really? The man who said schools were safe on Sunday and then closed schools on Monday? I can think of a number of words to describe comms like that but excellent wouldn't be one of them.
    As a matter of interest has Allegra made an appearance yet?
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    Nigelb said:

    Now 1984 is out of copyright, can we hope for a Muppet adaptation with Michael Caine as Big Brother ?

    How would you cast Kermit the (Red?) Frog? Or Miss (or Comrade?) Piggy?

    Same question for rest of the crew, from Gonzo the Great to Statler & Hilton.
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    Foxy said:

    National Trust moves with the times; right-wing Tories gnash their teeth.

    Anything else happening?

    My mum always refused to visit National Trust properties on the grounds that a lot of them became National Trust properties due to Labour's introduction of massive death duties.

    So this isn't a new thing.
    That was a period of cultural vandalism. Thousands of beautiful country houses were demolished to satisfy socialist hatred of what they saw as the landed gentry. The alternative was to hand over the properties to the National Trust. Nationalised theft on a massive scale.
    The break up of the stranglehold that the aristocracy had on land via death duties was the most overdue piece of land reform in the UK and Ireland and a highly appropriate example of a wealth tax in action.
    But the stranglehold wasn't broken up. It was consolidated into the hands of a different aristocracy.
    "They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
    Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
    They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
    They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
    And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
    Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs."
    Are the English REALLY so fond of tugging their forelocks, doffing their hats and otherwise abasing themselves before their highers and (?) betters (if not bettors)?
    We are, and there is something romantic about aristocratic power, but the tragedy isn't that that era has passed, it's the buildings that were destroyed in the rush toward a 'brave new world' - beauty that we can't get back. It was vandalism on an epic scale. We have a lot to thank the National Trust for, because without that organisation, many many more great houses and parks would have been demolished and torn up.
    Wasn’t it more an exhausted and impoverished aristocracy (often with the sons and heirs dead in the war) unable to keep their houses going after WWI rather than some rush to the modern? During a summer working in a second hand book shop I read a few volumes of the diaries of James Lees-Milne who worked for the NT in their early days, an entertainingly bitchy read. I suspect you’d enjoy the books if you don’t already know him.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited January 2021
    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
    Starmer can continue to play it safe - Johnson continue to be incompetent and a way out from the next election.

    The handling of the virus has been awful - but education has been a shambles as well. Could be the start of sustained lab leads
    Johnson's recent handling and comms., post Cummings have been excellent, he is also due a significant vaccine bounce.

    Once the economic picture becomes clearer, it might be a very different story however.
    Really? The man who said schools were safe on Sunday and then closed schools on Monday? I can think of a number of words to describe comms like that but excellent wouldn't be one of them.
    As a matter of interest has Allegra made an appearance yet?
    The white house style press conferences have been postponed because we are having 3 covid ones a week with a minister...but she is doing the press huddles and was the one responsible for the idiotic comment about we aren't doing 24/7 vaccinations because people don't seem keen to come outside of 8am and 8pm
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,203
    edited January 2021
    Opinium has 12% of 2019 Conservative Remain voters now voting Labour but just 4% of 2019 Conservative Leave voters voting Labour.

    Labour lead in the North, London and by 1% in the South according to the subsample, the Tories lead in the Midlands and Wales and the SNP in Scotland.

    The Tories still lead in Conservative gains in 2019 though by 47% to 43% and in Conservative holds in 2019 by 44% to 37%.

    Labour leads in seats it held in 2019 by 58% to 25%.

    Labour leads in Cities by 49% to just 30% for the Tories, towns are tied at 39% each and the Tories lead in rural areas by 42% to 35% for Labour

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-6th-january-2021-2/
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    GaussianGaussian Posts: 793

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
    Starmer can continue to play it safe - Johnson continue to be incompetent and a way out from the next election.

    The handling of the virus has been awful - but education has been a shambles as well. Could be the start of sustained lab leads
    Johnson's recent handling and comms., post Cummings have been excellent, he is also due a significant vaccine bounce.

    Once the economic picture becomes clearer, it might be a very different story however.
    Vaccine rollout has been excellent, but will he resist the temptation to reopen too quickly again, thereby triggering yet another virus wave?

    Also, public messaging seems to be sorely lacking with regards to the partial protection from a single vaccine shot. Cue vaccinated people getting careless and adding to the problem.
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    Mirror - HSBC says customers who refuse to wear a face mask will have their accounts withdrawn
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,231
    HYUFD said:

    Opinium has 12% of 2019 Conservative Remain voters now voting Labour but just 4% of 2019 Conservative Leave voters voting Labour.

    Labour lead in the North, London and by 1% in the South according to the subsample, the Tories lead in the Midlands and Wales and the SNP in Scotland.

    The Tories still lead in Conservative gains in 2019 though by 47% to 43% and in Conservative holds in 2019 by 44% to 37%.

    Labour leads in seats it held in 2019 by 58% to 25%.

    Labour leads in Cities by 49% to just 30% for the Tories, towns are tied 39% each and the Tories lead in rural areas by 42% to 35% for Labour

    https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/uk-voting-intention-6th-january-2021-2/

    I shall be taking note of opinion polls in 2024. Not before.
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    PBers more interested in a local election in a land far away than that right here in God's Own Country.

    Not a criticism, just an observation.

    God's Own COUNTY.

    God's Own Country is Kerala in southern India.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    MoE, more-or-less.

    According to my analysis, Johnson should be pulling away until the second half of the year. I suspect this is an outlier.

    The LDs look far too low for me.

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    MoE, more-or-less.

    According to my analysis, Johnson should be pulling away until the second half of the year. I suspect this is an outlier.

    The LDs look far too low for me.
    This poll confirms my view that Brexit is now a dead issue in terms of being electorally salient. Labour is better placed than in mid- 1988 under Kinnock or at the end of 1960 under Gaitskell ie the same points of the 1987 and 1959 Parliaments respectively. A 4% lead is also bigger than enjoyed by Thatcher during most of 1978.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,549

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    MoE, more-or-less.

    According to my analysis, Johnson should be pulling away until the second half of the year. I suspect this is an outlier.

    The LDs look far too low for me.
    Insofar as the calls to Any Answers are anecdotal, they were all scathing about the government’s handling of the crisis. It seems people have really had enough of policy that changes from one day to the next and is always too late, whatever it is.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
    Starmer can continue to play it safe - Johnson continue to be incompetent and a way out from the next election.

    The handling of the virus has been awful - but education has been a shambles as well. Could be the start of sustained lab leads
    Johnson's recent handling and comms., post Cummings have been excellent, he is also due a significant vaccine bounce.

    Once the economic picture becomes clearer, it might be a very different story however.
    Really? The man who said schools were safe on Sunday and then closed schools on Monday? I can think of a number of words to describe comms like that but excellent wouldn't be one of them.
    As a matter of interest has Allegra made an appearance yet?
    The white house style press conferences have been postponed because we are having 3 covid ones a week with a minister...but she is doing the press huddles and was the one responsible for the idiotic comment about we aren't doing 24/7 vaccinations because people don't seem keen to come outside of 8am and 8pm
    Mock The Week had some great riffing on "clamour" --> "clammer" about this.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,617
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:
    The opposite, the constitution of the UK is based on the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament at Westminster.

    It is about time the UK government started directing more funds to Scotland itself rather than letting the Nationalists use them to push their Nat agenda to break up the UK
    Your unwritten constitution included the Sewell convention, whcih makes such actions illegal in devolved areas without the permission of the Scottish Parliament. Much was made of it by the unionists. Turns out because it's only an unwritten convention when it comes to actually looking at the law, it is meanijngless, and can be ignored.

    That is your precious unwritten constitution and that is how precious useless it is.
    These are funds reclaimed from the EU being spent by the UK government in Scotland, still part of the UK,

    The Sewel convention was made before Brexit and did not cover new powers and new funds then neither available to Westminster or Holyrood which have now become available post Brexit
    But the funds and powers fall within areas determined by the devolution acts as pertaining to the Scottish Government. And changing those powers requires consent by the Scottish Parliament under the Sewell Convention. Unless you think Brexit cancelled that? What else did it ****ing cancel? Magna Carta?
    How can those areas be determined by the devolution acts as pertaining to the Scottish Government when they fell within the purview of the European Commission?
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,231
    Gaussian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    The Starmer should be 20 points ahead crew will not like this.

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1350533531668254720

    Brexit bounce! 😁😁
    Starmer can continue to play it safe - Johnson continue to be incompetent and a way out from the next election.

    The handling of the virus has been awful - but education has been a shambles as well. Could be the start of sustained lab leads
    Johnson's recent handling and comms., post Cummings have been excellent, he is also due a significant vaccine bounce.

    Once the economic picture becomes clearer, it might be a very different story however.
    Vaccine rollout has been excellent, but will he resist the temptation to reopen too quickly again, thereby triggering yet another virus wave?

    Also, public messaging seems to be sorely lacking with regards to the partial protection from a single vaccine shot. Cue vaccinated people getting careless and adding to the problem.
    I think reopening will be cautious. Boris knows that we need to knock it on the head this time.

    No reopening before April. No pubs and restaurants until May. Even if they get all 9 groups vaccinated by 31 March. Which they need to aim for.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890
    From a year ago today. Still better late than never with a travel ban.

    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1217877514149879808?s=19
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