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Why would they want to?SandyRentool said:STEM spods are very one dimensional. You'd never find an engineering graduate being able to take a PPE degree, for example.
There was an Engineering, Economics and Management course though, for those that insisted.
Substitute Camus for concrete, and you're just about there.0 -
Is she a golfer?Richard_Tyndall said:
I think it has to follow the line of succession as it would in case of incapacitation. So next in line would be Nancy PelosiMexicanpete said:
Who wouldn't want to be President for the weekend?Andy_JS said:If Congress votes to remove Trump from office and Pence doesn't want the job, can they choose someone else?
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Better with a MBA or similar surely indeed.Flatlander said:
Why would they want to?SandyRentool said:STEM spods are very one dimensional. You'd never find an engineering graduate being able to take a PPE degree, for example.
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He voted against certifying the election results.kle4 said:
I guess the impeachment process should be removed from the Constitution then. That's fine, it's not a divine right or anything.Alistair said:Kevin Mccarthy has actually just said "we solve our disputes at the ballot box"
So he literally thinks there are zero options for removing Trump.1 -
BBC News - Coronavirus: British tourist blamed for Lauberhorn ski race cancellation
A British tourist has been blamed for a spike in coronavirus cases that led officials to cancel Switzerland's famous Lauberhorn ski race.
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What a difference a week makes.Donald Trump said:In light of reports of more demonstrations, I urge that there must be NO violence, NO lawbreaking and NO vandalism of any kind.
That is not what I stand for, and it is not what America stands for. I call on ALL Americans to help ease tensions and calm tempers. Thank You.0 -
Come come, I'm sure if Pennsylvania had gone to Trump he'd be objecting to certification on the basis of unconstitionality of Act 77.........Alistair said:
He voted against certifying the election results.kle4 said:
I guess the impeachment process should be removed from the Constitution then. That's fine, it's not a divine right or anything.Alistair said:Kevin Mccarthy has actually just said "we solve our disputes at the ballot box"
So he literally thinks there are zero options for removing Trump.0 -
AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
No idea, sorry.Flatlander said:
Do you know why the car park was blocked off? Often stopped there on the way down the A1.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
22 people deployed to rescue these idiots. For pity's sake.eek said:
Worth posting the story https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-55648342 to show how stupid they were.SandyRentool said:Four smoggies who got their car stuck in a river near Whitby have just had a total slagging off on Look North.
Dickheads.
Drive past a road closed sign into an overflowing ford thinking they could cross it.
At least the lockdown has led to a (slight) reduction in the number of people getting stuck on the causeway at Holy Island (Lindisfarne) because they can't read a sign that tells them when to cross.
I've witnessed a few idiots even in the short time I've been sat there.
One of my mates used to be on the lifeboat crew, and they were constantly having to rescue folk, I was all for instigating an escalating series of fines based on exactly how reckless the people had been.
The French are very good at that sort of thing. I have seen several times lifeguards on the beach fining swimmers who have been dragged out of dangerous seas. They barely wait for the miscreants to get the water out of their lungs.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
No idea, sorry.Flatlander said:
Do you know why the car park was blocked off? Often stopped there on the way down the A1.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
22 people deployed to rescue these idiots. For pity's sake.eek said:
Worth posting the story https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-55648342 to show how stupid they were.SandyRentool said:Four smoggies who got their car stuck in a river near Whitby have just had a total slagging off on Look North.
Dickheads.
Drive past a road closed sign into an overflowing ford thinking they could cross it.
At least the lockdown has led to a (slight) reduction in the number of people getting stuck on the causeway at Holy Island (Lindisfarne) because they can't read a sign that tells them when to cross.
I've witnessed a few idiots even in the short time I've been sat there.
One of my mates used to be on the lifeboat crew, and they were constantly having to rescue folk, I was all for instigating an escalating series of fines based on exactly how reckless the people had been.1 -
Gabriel Scally, a visiting professor of public health at the University of Bristol and a member of the Independent Sage group of experts, said the 100,000-plus death toll was an indictment of the way the pandemic had been handled.
“It is an astounding number of preventable deaths from one cause in one year, [an] absolutely astounding number. It’s a sign of a phenomenal failure of policy and practice in the face of this new and dangerous virus,” Scally said.
Christina Pagel, a professor of operational research at University College London and also a member of Independent Sage, said that with deaths lagging infections by three to four weeks, the death toll would rise further. “I could say it’s shocking that [the] UK has [the] worst death toll in Europe, or we could have prevented this with earlier measures in September or October, and it would be true,” she said.0 -
It's a question.kinabalu said:
That's not a how or why.TOPPING said:
What is free will?kinabalu said:
I agree. I'm STEM but not very STEMY.TimT said:
STEM bods (and that is my roots) are also more likely to get trapped in a world of one truth and one perspective.kinabalu said:
That's a point. Although with the pandemic we have seen several "history men" types with their pants down when making forays into the wonderful world of numbers.TOPPING said:
The danger is that many STEM bods get ahead of themselves and start to pretend they have more than the vaguest acquaintance with the arts and thereby embarrass themselves.kinabalu said:
A STEM bod is more likely to be good at the Arts than an Arts bod is to be good at STEM. So if you had to cull one group - I mean if you simply had to - and start again from there you'd probably, albeit with the heaviest of hearts, have to say farewell to the Arts crowd.TOPPING said:
I think a big mistake many arts graduates make is to assume that science grads are completely illiterate in the arts whereas science grads also know how to get to Covent Garden, or Bayreuth for that matter, read voraciously, and can tell a Monet from a Manet.BluestBlue said:
I knew you were basically sound, kinabalu. Oddly enough, I started off school certain that I was going to become a scientist, and only did my volte-face to languages and humanities a little later, though not from any special pressure.kinabalu said:
Latin was both my best and favourite subject at school. Touch of the Billy Elliots about it except unlike him I caved in and went STEM instead. Others spoke, authority figures, and I did it their way. Regrets, I have sixty two, and this is one of them.BluestBlue said:
I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. Getting a First if you read for Course II (where you start the languages from scratch) is less common, and the people who manage it are indeed impressive. On the other hand, the scope of Course II is narrower relative to Course I, concentrating on one language rather than both, and the first year is largely dedicated to intensive catch-up work, so inevitably the average Course II candidate will simply have read and covered less by the end of the degree.Gallowgate said:
I didn't say she was a "charity case". She is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. My point was to highlight yet another advantage those who go to private school have and how she had to work much harder to achieve that 1st than they probably did.BluestBlue said:
In that case, your friend will almost certainly have scored very highly in the Classics Language Aptitude Test (CLAT) when she applied, and thus was admitted on merit, not as a charity case. Oxford has been doing this for years, and it's a much better solution than some crude handicapping system.Gallowgate said:
A friend of mine studied some Classics degree at Oxford, maybe the one Boris studied? In any case she was from a state school and found it almost impossible to keep up as most of her peers had studied greek and latin at their private schools, whilst she had not.IshmaelZ said:
It is entirely conceivable that the BBB pupil is more intelligent and harder working than the AAA one. In that case it is better for Oxford (dunno what this "Oxbridge" shit is) and by any sane standards more just and more desirable that the BBB pupil gets the place, subject to the very important proviso that the BBB pupil can make up the ground lost by worse schooling, in time to benefit from the Oxford course.HYUFD said:
You are a leftwing Tory hater.Gallowgate said:
Yes it is, actually. "Socialism" has nothing to do with it. I'm not even a socialist.HYUFD said:
No it isn't, it is still lower grades no matter personal circumstance.Gallowgate said:
Actually 3 Bs from someone who's have to overcome a hell of a lot of difficult circumstances and self-motivate completely because there was no-one there to push them is a hell of a lot more valuable than 3 As from someone in a private school with pushy parents and private tutors.HYUFD said:
Maybe but 3 BBBs from a comprehensive should not be more valuable than 3 AAAs from a private school that is the point.Mysticrose said:As I once pointed out to the Head of a posh private school in Surrey, 3 AAA's from an inner city Hackney Comp is obviously more valuable than 3 AAA's from her school.
Nothing else needs to be said. What matters to Cambridge is not the qualification on entry but the qualification on exit and the years of learning to achieve that.
Of course when we had grammar schools many of the state schools even in Hackney were more than an equal for private schools academically, now with a few exceptions like Mossbourne Academy that is rarely the case for comprehensives
However as a socialist your solution as usual is to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator and penalise the middle classes having already scrapped most grammars which were the best chance to get to Oxbridge the working class ever had
We all know you're a grade snob so this is to be expected, but you're wrong.
Besides, I didn't say a BBB was better than an AAA. In fact of course in most cases the AAA will be valuable. However there may be circumstances where the BBB is in fact more valuable.
In most cases BBB would normally be barely enough to scrape into Southampton let alone Oxbridge and it would be ridiculous of Oxbridge to lower its grade total so far to admit more from comprehensives.
There may be a case to favour an AAA comp student over an AAA private school student, there is no case to favour a BBB comp student over an AAA private school student
She got a 1st anyway.
On the other hand, it's a great pity if she wasn't able to acquire the languages to a comfortable level, since that's one of the main pleasures and joys of the course.
Still, it helps Classics to survive and be enjoyed by more people, so it's not all bad.
The best people, of course, do both:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_James_Leggett
Hence to minimise the toe-curling factor best to dispense with the good STEM folk.
And while some of their favorite films may talk of 'constructs', many STEM bods fail to understand that their understanding of the world is just one construct. This is not to mean that I am disrespectful of science, just that it is not equipped to provide all answers, including most of those which are of most central importance to the human condition.
But what I'd say is that although science cannot answer every question, the questions that it cannot answer cannot be answered.
Or - science does not have all the answers but it does have the ONLY answers.
Where answers = definitive ones to questions starting how and why.0 -
Yes, that was quite common.Carnyx said:
Better with a MBA or similar surely indeed.Flatlander said:
Why would they want to?SandyRentool said:STEM spods are very one dimensional. You'd never find an engineering graduate being able to take a PPE degree, for example.
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Yes I meant why as in causation. Which for me means science can in theory explain everything that has ever happened or will happen. But the smart money is on that state of affairs never being reached. Thank the Lord.TimT said:
Yes. Also science answers only how (including why in the sense of causation). Not what or why (in the sense of telos).kinabalu said:
I agree. I'm STEM but not very STEMY.TimT said:
STEM bods (and that is my roots) are also more likely to get trapped in a world of one truth and one perspective.kinabalu said:
That's a point. Although with the pandemic we have seen several "history men" types with their pants down when making forays into the wonderful world of numbers.TOPPING said:
The danger is that many STEM bods get ahead of themselves and start to pretend they have more than the vaguest acquaintance with the arts and thereby embarrass themselves.kinabalu said:
A STEM bod is more likely to be good at the Arts than an Arts bod is to be good at STEM. So if you had to cull one group - I mean if you simply had to - and start again from there you'd probably, albeit with the heaviest of hearts, have to say farewell to the Arts crowd.TOPPING said:
I think a big mistake many arts graduates make is to assume that science grads are completely illiterate in the arts whereas science grads also know how to get to Covent Garden, or Bayreuth for that matter, read voraciously, and can tell a Monet from a Manet.BluestBlue said:
I knew you were basically sound, kinabalu. Oddly enough, I started off school certain that I was going to become a scientist, and only did my volte-face to languages and humanities a little later, though not from any special pressure.kinabalu said:
Latin was both my best and favourite subject at school. Touch of the Billy Elliots about it except unlike him I caved in and went STEM instead. Others spoke, authority figures, and I did it their way. Regrets, I have sixty two, and this is one of them.BluestBlue said:
I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. Getting a First if you read for Course II (where you start the languages from scratch) is less common, and the people who manage it are indeed impressive. On the other hand, the scope of Course II is narrower relative to Course I, concentrating on one language rather than both, and the first year is largely dedicated to intensive catch-up work, so inevitably the average Course II candidate will simply have read and covered less by the end of the degree.Gallowgate said:
I didn't say she was a "charity case". She is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. My point was to highlight yet another advantage those who go to private school have and how she had to work much harder to achieve that 1st than they probably did.BluestBlue said:
In that case, your friend will almost certainly have scored very highly in the Classics Language Aptitude Test (CLAT) when she applied, and thus was admitted on merit, not as a charity case. Oxford has been doing this for years, and it's a much better solution than some crude handicapping system.Gallowgate said:
A friend of mine studied some Classics degree at Oxford, maybe the one Boris studied? In any case she was from a state school and found it almost impossible to keep up as most of her peers had studied greek and latin at their private schools, whilst she had not.IshmaelZ said:
It is entirely conceivable that the BBB pupil is more intelligent and harder working than the AAA one. In that case it is better for Oxford (dunno what this "Oxbridge" shit is) and by any sane standards more just and more desirable that the BBB pupil gets the place, subject to the very important proviso that the BBB pupil can make up the ground lost by worse schooling, in time to benefit from the Oxford course.HYUFD said:
You are a leftwing Tory hater.Gallowgate said:
Yes it is, actually. "Socialism" has nothing to do with it. I'm not even a socialist.HYUFD said:
No it isn't, it is still lower grades no matter personal circumstance.Gallowgate said:
Actually 3 Bs from someone who's have to overcome a hell of a lot of difficult circumstances and self-motivate completely because there was no-one there to push them is a hell of a lot more valuable than 3 As from someone in a private school with pushy parents and private tutors.HYUFD said:
Maybe but 3 BBBs from a comprehensive should not be more valuable than 3 AAAs from a private school that is the point.Mysticrose said:As I once pointed out to the Head of a posh private school in Surrey, 3 AAA's from an inner city Hackney Comp is obviously more valuable than 3 AAA's from her school.
Nothing else needs to be said. What matters to Cambridge is not the qualification on entry but the qualification on exit and the years of learning to achieve that.
Of course when we had grammar schools many of the state schools even in Hackney were more than an equal for private schools academically, now with a few exceptions like Mossbourne Academy that is rarely the case for comprehensives
However as a socialist your solution as usual is to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator and penalise the middle classes having already scrapped most grammars which were the best chance to get to Oxbridge the working class ever had
We all know you're a grade snob so this is to be expected, but you're wrong.
Besides, I didn't say a BBB was better than an AAA. In fact of course in most cases the AAA will be valuable. However there may be circumstances where the BBB is in fact more valuable.
In most cases BBB would normally be barely enough to scrape into Southampton let alone Oxbridge and it would be ridiculous of Oxbridge to lower its grade total so far to admit more from comprehensives.
There may be a case to favour an AAA comp student over an AAA private school student, there is no case to favour a BBB comp student over an AAA private school student
She got a 1st anyway.
On the other hand, it's a great pity if she wasn't able to acquire the languages to a comfortable level, since that's one of the main pleasures and joys of the course.
Still, it helps Classics to survive and be enjoyed by more people, so it's not all bad.
The best people, of course, do both:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_James_Leggett
Hence to minimise the toe-curling factor best to dispense with the good STEM folk.
And while some of their favorite films may talk of 'constructs', many STEM bods fail to understand that their understanding of the world is just one construct. This is not to mean that I am disrespectful of science, just that it is not equipped to provide all answers, including most of those which are of most central importance to the human condition.
But what I'd say is that although science cannot answer every question, the questions that it cannot answer cannot be answered.
Or - science does not have all the answers but it does have the ONLY answers.
Where answers = definitive ones to questions starting how and why.
PS While I agree that those other questions cannot be answered universally (i.e. one answer good for everyone), some can be answered to the satisfaction of the enquirer. I, for instance, am happy that I have adequate answers on all matters metaphysical - adequate for me, anyways.0 -
Neither Peterhead nor Fraserburgh are in Moray, Shetland is the 3rd largest port and LD held. Bannffshire and Buchan coast has an SNP MSP anyway already. Fishing votes are not big enough a percentage of the huge list regions to make much difference.Carnyx said:
Douglas Ross in Moray?! He's got am important fishing component in his area. And that's just one, before you startt counting the list MSPs - mor eimportant for Tories anyway.HYUFD said:
That is in effect actually only David Duguid, no other Scottish Tory MP or Scottish Tory constituency MSP has a major Scottish fishing port in their constituencyCarnyx said:
When it's the Scottish trawler bosses and the P and J you better start listening if you are a ScoTory MP/MSP worried about his/her seat.Luckyguy1983 said:
TUD has certainly been a busy boy, getting around all those thousands of people.Carnyx said:
Chust so, as old Peter Handy used to say. The seagulls will be complaining next, at this rate.Theuniondivvie said:
The list of folk that have just not understood how great the Deal is for fishing so far:Carnyx said:
Mr Johnson's going to have to do better than make up moans about the SNP in PMQ and think they are sufficient, esp. when it's folk such as Alistair Carmichael doing the attacking. But hey, they're all Jocks perhaps.Theuniondivvie said:Nat mouthpiece the Evening Express there.
https://twitter.com/EveningExpress/status/1349385856386166785?s=20
Nice nativity though.
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/status/1342208753601564674
Fishermen
Fishermens' associations
Fish merchants
Fish exporters
Shellfish exporters
The P&J
The Evening Express
Mphm. Did we include, in the exporters, the processors, incl. Arbroath Smokie and finnan haddie smokers? Or do they emply too many furriners and NOT COUNT?
Unless he's just referring to
'a' fisherman
'a' head of a fishermens' association
'a' fish merchant
'a' fish exporter
'a' shelfish exporter
etc.
The doctrine of "piss off if you didn't vote for us" is not going to garner enough votes to win next time, either.
Also - it's not just the fisherfolk who will vote against Torydom if they think the Brexit has been betrayed. Pasrtly those dependent on the fishing industry (including wider sectors such as housing and food) and partly their sympathisers in the elderly retirees for instance. I'm very interested to see what happens with the party - whatever it's called - now that Michelle Ballantyne has joined. I'd be very surprised if Eyemouth and its hinterland vote Tory if the currtent situation is not alleviated.
Now No Deal Brexit has been avoided I expect No voters elsewhere in the suburbs and market towns will now switch behind the SCons as the SNP continually push indyref2 and as the SNP civil war deepens0 -
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I'm definitely not a better person than you are, I'm just reiterating what forgiveness is. The whole point of it is that it doesn't need the other person to be jolly sorry.kle4 said:
Well you're a better person than I am. In politics, I don't see why forgiveness should be granted to those who do not recognise their responsibility in negative events.Luckyguy1983 said:
No it doesn't. Forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with the recipient.kle4 said:
Forgiveness requires acknowledgement of wrongdoing, at the very least.IanB2 said:After a series of Rep speeches from which you’d deduce that Trump has done nothing wrong, the Rep minority leader is now citing Jefferson and calling for forgiveness and unity.
If someone thinks Trump acted in a manner worthy of impeachment, why should they forgive him? Bear in mind it isn't even actually forgiveness people are being asked to provide, but simply not ensuring consequences for Trump's actions.
So ok, forgiveness doesn't require acknowledgement of wrongdoing. But if someone wants to escape consequences for their actions, then acknowledgement at the least seems reasonable.
It's also not for that person, it's for the forgiver - it is the forgiver who benefits. So the reason they would forgive Trump is the same reason they'd forgive their mother for preferring their sibling or the bank for refusing a mortgage - to let it go. To stop it being part of their experience any more.0 -
Reform UK will likely not stand for constitiuency seats and on the list they might even pick up a few Unionist MSP seats themselves so no harm thereTheuniondivvie said:
Been a couple of opinion pieces on how Farage’s Reform UK mob can take a chunk out of the SCons. Apparently the lad himself is coming up to campaign before the May election, presumably he’ll be avoiding Remoaner Central Edinburgh this time.Carnyx said:
Douglas Ross in Moray?! He's got am important fishing component in his area. And that's just one, before you startt counting the list MSPs - mor eimportant for Tories anyway.HYUFD said:
That is in effect actually only David Duguid, no other Scottish Tory MP or Scottish Tory constituency MSP has a major Scottish fishing port in their constituencyCarnyx said:
When it's the Scottish trawler bosses and the P and J you better start listening if you are a ScoTory MP/MSP worried about his/her seat.Luckyguy1983 said:
TUD has certainly been a busy boy, getting around all those thousands of people.Carnyx said:
Chust so, as old Peter Handy used to say. The seagulls will be complaining next, at this rate.Theuniondivvie said:
The list of folk that have just not understood how great the Deal is for fishing so far:Carnyx said:
Mr Johnson's going to have to do better than make up moans about the SNP in PMQ and think they are sufficient, esp. when it's folk such as Alistair Carmichael doing the attacking. But hey, they're all Jocks perhaps.Theuniondivvie said:Nat mouthpiece the Evening Express there.
https://twitter.com/EveningExpress/status/1349385856386166785?s=20
Nice nativity though.
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/status/1342208753601564674
Fishermen
Fishermens' associations
Fish merchants
Fish exporters
Shellfish exporters
The P&J
The Evening Express
Mphm. Did we include, in the exporters, the processors, incl. Arbroath Smokie and finnan haddie smokers? Or do they emply too many furriners and NOT COUNT?
Unless he's just referring to
'a' fisherman
'a' head of a fishermens' association
'a' fish merchant
'a' fish exporter
'a' shelfish exporter
etc.
The doctrine of "piss off if you didn't vote for us" is not going to garner enough votes to win next time, either.
Also - it's not just the fisherfolk who will vote against Torydom if they think the Brexit has been betrayed. Pasrtly those dependent on the fishing industry (including wider sectors such as housing and food) and partly their sympathisers in the elderly retirees for instance. I'm very interested to see what happens with the party - whatever it's called - now that Michelle Ballantyne has joined. I'd be very surprised if Eyemouth and its hinterland vote Tory if the currtent situation is not alleviated.0 -
When I lived in NZ the ambulances used to send bills to people they thought were abusing the system. I think few paid, but it did make the point.Peter_the_Punter said:AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
No idea, sorry.Flatlander said:
Do you know why the car park was blocked off? Often stopped there on the way down the A1.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
22 people deployed to rescue these idiots. For pity's sake.eek said:
Worth posting the story https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-55648342 to show how stupid they were.SandyRentool said:Four smoggies who got their car stuck in a river near Whitby have just had a total slagging off on Look North.
Dickheads.
Drive past a road closed sign into an overflowing ford thinking they could cross it.
At least the lockdown has led to a (slight) reduction in the number of people getting stuck on the causeway at Holy Island (Lindisfarne) because they can't read a sign that tells them when to cross.
I've witnessed a few idiots even in the short time I've been sat there.
One of my mates used to be on the lifeboat crew, and they were constantly having to rescue folk, I was all for instigating an escalating series of fines based on exactly how reckless the people had been.
The French are very good at that sort of thing. I have seen several times lifeguards on the beach fining swimmers who have been dragged out of dangerous seas. They barely wait for the miscreants to get the water out of their lungs.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
No idea, sorry.Flatlander said:
Do you know why the car park was blocked off? Often stopped there on the way down the A1.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
22 people deployed to rescue these idiots. For pity's sake.eek said:
Worth posting the story https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-55648342 to show how stupid they were.SandyRentool said:Four smoggies who got their car stuck in a river near Whitby have just had a total slagging off on Look North.
Dickheads.
Drive past a road closed sign into an overflowing ford thinking they could cross it.
At least the lockdown has led to a (slight) reduction in the number of people getting stuck on the causeway at Holy Island (Lindisfarne) because they can't read a sign that tells them when to cross.
I've witnessed a few idiots even in the short time I've been sat there.
One of my mates used to be on the lifeboat crew, and they were constantly having to rescue folk, I was all for instigating an escalating series of fines based on exactly how reckless the people had been.0 -
That's a nice brief summary of the reasons for 'going long'.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes but not early. Post Biden's inauguration.MrEd said:
But the NYT told us McConnell was going to support impeachment so it must be true.....Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
A post-inauguration impeachment trial could be smart politics by McConnell. Allows him to serve his revenge on Trump cold, allows him to eat up some of the Democrats legislative time, allows him to excise the Trump cancer from the GOP.
There are of course reasons for going quick too, but I can see why long makes sense.1 -
Interesting but then again you have to be pretty ideological to be so committed to the cause and get such fulfilment of itNickPalmer said:
I always think that commentators often underestimate the idea of being satisfied to be part of a movement that one agrees with. Paxman's book "The Politicians" expresses the same view - what's in it for the successful?HYUFD said:
If you are an very independent, highly intelligent, rich person why would you go into politics when to be successful you either have to to back the party leadership at all times or the views of the party membership at all times, that was the point
When I was elected in 1997 I was earning over £100K in an interesting career as a senior manager for a nice company in a pleasant environment, but it didn't seem to me that I was actually doing anything that would help make society better. By capturing a marginal seat and making centre-left government that much easier, I felt I was doing something more useful. Being personally successful - a Cabinet Minister or something - would have been nice, but not a necessary feature. I've never had the slightest regret about the change.
Obviously one can disagree about what a better society might be, but I think people overestimate the extent to which being in politics is only about your own career - and that's true of many on both right and left. It'd be fairer to say that the wish to be re-elected, the wish to be influential and the wish to support the movement get tangled up so the original good intention gets blurred - but it doesn't, usually, disappear. Otherwise, how does one explain people who knock themselves out for a cause, perhaps acting as unpaid town councillors, without earning anything at all (not even much respect - friends tend to think they're weird)?0 -
Of course, you'll be saying that in Epping to your local party - no problem if the local Brexiter Party candidate actually wins.HYUFD said:
Reform UK will likely not stand for constitiuency seats and on the list they might even pick up a few Unionist MSP seats themselves so no harm thereTheuniondivvie said:
Been a couple of opinion pieces on how Farage’s Reform UK mob can take a chunk out of the SCons. Apparently the lad himself is coming up to campaign before the May election, presumably he’ll be avoiding Remoaner Central Edinburgh this time.Carnyx said:
Douglas Ross in Moray?! He's got am important fishing component in his area. And that's just one, before you startt counting the list MSPs - mor eimportant for Tories anyway.HYUFD said:
That is in effect actually only David Duguid, no other Scottish Tory MP or Scottish Tory constituency MSP has a major Scottish fishing port in their constituencyCarnyx said:
When it's the Scottish trawler bosses and the P and J you better start listening if you are a ScoTory MP/MSP worried about his/her seat.Luckyguy1983 said:
TUD has certainly been a busy boy, getting around all those thousands of people.Carnyx said:
Chust so, as old Peter Handy used to say. The seagulls will be complaining next, at this rate.Theuniondivvie said:
The list of folk that have just not understood how great the Deal is for fishing so far:Carnyx said:
Mr Johnson's going to have to do better than make up moans about the SNP in PMQ and think they are sufficient, esp. when it's folk such as Alistair Carmichael doing the attacking. But hey, they're all Jocks perhaps.Theuniondivvie said:Nat mouthpiece the Evening Express there.
https://twitter.com/EveningExpress/status/1349385856386166785?s=20
Nice nativity though.
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/status/1342208753601564674
Fishermen
Fishermens' associations
Fish merchants
Fish exporters
Shellfish exporters
The P&J
The Evening Express
Mphm. Did we include, in the exporters, the processors, incl. Arbroath Smokie and finnan haddie smokers? Or do they emply too many furriners and NOT COUNT?
Unless he's just referring to
'a' fisherman
'a' head of a fishermens' association
'a' fish merchant
'a' fish exporter
'a' shelfish exporter
etc.
The doctrine of "piss off if you didn't vote for us" is not going to garner enough votes to win next time, either.
Also - it's not just the fisherfolk who will vote against Torydom if they think the Brexit has been betrayed. Pasrtly those dependent on the fishing industry (including wider sectors such as housing and food) and partly their sympathisers in the elderly retirees for instance. I'm very interested to see what happens with the party - whatever it's called - now that Michelle Ballantyne has joined. I'd be very surprised if Eyemouth and its hinterland vote Tory if the currtent situation is not alleviated.0 -
Coming to a Daily Mail front page any day now:Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/13494187432528486420 -
In non-existent election fraud news, Brian Kemp is so confident Georgia was a clean election that he.....er......wants big changes to mail-in ballot rules.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/kemp-wants-photo-id-georgia?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
He's afraid of Pence and the 25th isn't he?williamglenn said:
Pence has him by the short and curlies.3 -
But they are also representatives who have constitutional power to hold the president to account. Avoiding that, if they believe he has committed offences worthy of impeachment, may well be a derogation of their duty. It's not just about making themselves feel good by forgiving him.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'm definitely not a better person than you are, I'm just reiterating what forgiveness is. The whole point of it is that it doesn't need the other person to be jolly sorry.kle4 said:
Well you're a better person than I am. In politics, I don't see why forgiveness should be granted to those who do not recognise their responsibility in negative events.Luckyguy1983 said:
No it doesn't. Forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with the recipient.kle4 said:
Forgiveness requires acknowledgement of wrongdoing, at the very least.IanB2 said:After a series of Rep speeches from which you’d deduce that Trump has done nothing wrong, the Rep minority leader is now citing Jefferson and calling for forgiveness and unity.
If someone thinks Trump acted in a manner worthy of impeachment, why should they forgive him? Bear in mind it isn't even actually forgiveness people are being asked to provide, but simply not ensuring consequences for Trump's actions.
So ok, forgiveness doesn't require acknowledgement of wrongdoing. But if someone wants to escape consequences for their actions, then acknowledgement at the least seems reasonable.
It's also not for that person, it's for the forgiver - it is the forgiver who benefits. So the reason they would forgive Trump is the same reason they'd forgive their mother for preferring their sibling or the bank for refusing a mortgage - to let it go. To stop it being part of their experience any more.
That's why they are not really being asked to forgive, they are being asked to prevent him facing consequences.
And people will have different views on what forgiveness is and requires, the same with redemption and other concepts. No doubt philosophers debate such things, and most would agree with you, but the raising of forgiveness is in any case a red herring by his defenders in Congress.
It isn't some personal forgiveness being sought, but the avoidance of formal processes - and that raises other issues where his Trump's personal response is important. It's not a morality play.0 -
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It does.Luckyguy1983 said:
No it doesn't. Forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with the recipient.kle4 said:
Forgiveness requires acknowledgement of wrongdoing, at the very least.IanB2 said:After a series of Rep speeches from which you’d deduce that Trump has done nothing wrong, the Rep minority leader is now citing Jefferson and calling for forgiveness and unity.
Pardons, for example, as the US Supreme Court has ruled, carry an imputation of guillt, and acceptance of them a confession of it.0 -
Have totally missed this. Wtf is going on?SandyRentool said:0 -
It is different in Scotland, the Tories, the LDs, Labour, Alliance for Unity, Reform UK etc all come under the anti SNP and Unionist umbrella.Carnyx said:
Of course, you'll be saying that in Epping to your local party - no problem if the local Brexiter Party candidate actually wins.HYUFD said:
Reform UK will likely not stand for constitiuency seats and on the list they might even pick up a few Unionist MSP seats themselves so no harm thereTheuniondivvie said:
Been a couple of opinion pieces on how Farage’s Reform UK mob can take a chunk out of the SCons. Apparently the lad himself is coming up to campaign before the May election, presumably he’ll be avoiding Remoaner Central Edinburgh this time.Carnyx said:
Douglas Ross in Moray?! He's got am important fishing component in his area. And that's just one, before you startt counting the list MSPs - mor eimportant for Tories anyway.HYUFD said:
That is in effect actually only David Duguid, no other Scottish Tory MP or Scottish Tory constituency MSP has a major Scottish fishing port in their constituencyCarnyx said:
When it's the Scottish trawler bosses and the P and J you better start listening if you are a ScoTory MP/MSP worried about his/her seat.Luckyguy1983 said:
TUD has certainly been a busy boy, getting around all those thousands of people.Carnyx said:
Chust so, as old Peter Handy used to say. The seagulls will be complaining next, at this rate.Theuniondivvie said:
The list of folk that have just not understood how great the Deal is for fishing so far:Carnyx said:
Mr Johnson's going to have to do better than make up moans about the SNP in PMQ and think they are sufficient, esp. when it's folk such as Alistair Carmichael doing the attacking. But hey, they're all Jocks perhaps.Theuniondivvie said:Nat mouthpiece the Evening Express there.
https://twitter.com/EveningExpress/status/1349385856386166785?s=20
Nice nativity though.
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/status/1342208753601564674
Fishermen
Fishermens' associations
Fish merchants
Fish exporters
Shellfish exporters
The P&J
The Evening Express
Mphm. Did we include, in the exporters, the processors, incl. Arbroath Smokie and finnan haddie smokers? Or do they emply too many furriners and NOT COUNT?
Unless he's just referring to
'a' fisherman
'a' head of a fishermens' association
'a' fish merchant
'a' fish exporter
'a' shelfish exporter
etc.
The doctrine of "piss off if you didn't vote for us" is not going to garner enough votes to win next time, either.
Also - it's not just the fisherfolk who will vote against Torydom if they think the Brexit has been betrayed. Pasrtly those dependent on the fishing industry (including wider sectors such as housing and food) and partly their sympathisers in the elderly retirees for instance. I'm very interested to see what happens with the party - whatever it's called - now that Michelle Ballantyne has joined. I'd be very surprised if Eyemouth and its hinterland vote Tory if the currtent situation is not alleviated.
In England the SNP are irrelevant and the main battle is Tory v Labour or Tory v LD or even maybe in a few areas Tory v Reform UK0 -
This is just run of the mill GOP voter suppression, harks back to a more innocent time.contrarian said:In non-existent election fraud news, Brian Kemp is so confident Georgia was a clean election that he.....er......wants big changes to mail-in ballot rules.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/kemp-wants-photo-id-georgia?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter5 -
I think there is a small but non negligible chance (1%?) that Trump will upstage the Biden inauguration by taking his own life on the 20th (or attempting to).
He is mentally unstable. His business is in ruins. His future is bleak. He likes to be the centre of attention. He wants to upstage Biden. He'd like to be a martyr.
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Except it cannot. Complex adaptive systems are neither deterministic nor calculable. And they give rise to emergent properties that cannot be imagined, let alone predicted, until they are experienced. CAS are to predictive sciences what Godel is to mathematics.kinabalu said:
Yes I meant why as in causation. Which for me means science can in theory explain everything that has ever happened or will happen. But the smart money is on that state of affairs never being reached. Thank the Lord.TimT said:
Yes. Also science answers only how (including why in the sense of causation). Not what or why (in the sense of telos).kinabalu said:
I agree. I'm STEM but not very STEMY.TimT said:
STEM bods (and that is my roots) are also more likely to get trapped in a world of one truth and one perspective.kinabalu said:
That's a point. Although with the pandemic we have seen several "history men" types with their pants down when making forays into the wonderful world of numbers.TOPPING said:
The danger is that many STEM bods get ahead of themselves and start to pretend they have more than the vaguest acquaintance with the arts and thereby embarrass themselves.kinabalu said:
A STEM bod is more likely to be good at the Arts than an Arts bod is to be good at STEM. So if you had to cull one group - I mean if you simply had to - and start again from there you'd probably, albeit with the heaviest of hearts, have to say farewell to the Arts crowd.TOPPING said:
I think a big mistake many arts graduates make is to assume that science grads are completely illiterate in the arts whereas science grads also know how to get to Covent Garden, or Bayreuth for that matter, read voraciously, and can tell a Monet from a Manet.BluestBlue said:
I knew you were basically sound, kinabalu. Oddly enough, I started off school certain that I was going to become a scientist, and only did my volte-face to languages and humanities a little later, though not from any special pressure.kinabalu said:
Latin was both my best and favourite subject at school. Touch of the Billy Elliots about it except unlike him I caved in and went STEM instead. Others spoke, authority figures, and I did it their way. Regrets, I have sixty two, and this is one of them.BluestBlue said:
I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. Getting a First if you read for Course II (where you start the languages from scratch) is less common, and the people who manage it are indeed impressive. On the other hand, the scope of Course II is narrower relative to Course I, concentrating on one language rather than both, and the first year is largely dedicated to intensive catch-up work, so inevitably the average Course II candidate will simply have read and covered less by the end of the degree.Gallowgate said:
I didn't say she was a "charity case". She is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. My point was to highlight yet another advantage those who go to private school have and how she had to work much harder to achieve that 1st than they probably did.BluestBlue said:
In that case, your friend will almost certainly have scored very highly in the Classics Language Aptitude Test (CLAT) when she applied, and thus was admitted on merit, not as a charity case. Oxford has been doing this for years, and it's a much better solution than some crude handicapping system.Gallowgate said:
A friend of mine studied some Classics degree at Oxford, maybe the one Boris studied? In any case she was from a state school and found it almost impossible to keep up as most of her peers had studied greek and latin at their private schools, whilst she had not.IshmaelZ said:
It is entirely conceivable that the BBB pupil is more intelligent and harder working than the AAA one. In that case it is better for Oxford (dunno what this "Oxbridge" shit is) and by any sane standards more just and more desirable that the BBB pupil gets the place, subject to the very important proviso that the BBB pupil can make up the ground lost by worse schooling, in time to benefit from the Oxford course.HYUFD said:
You are a leftwing Tory hater.Gallowgate said:
Yes it is, actually. "Socialism" has nothing to do with it. I'm not even a socialist.HYUFD said:
No it isn't, it is still lower grades no matter personal circumstance.Gallowgate said:
Actually 3 Bs from someone who's have to overcome a hell of a lot of difficult circumstances and self-motivate completely because there was no-one there to push them is a hell of a lot more valuable than 3 As from someone in a private school with pushy parents and private tutors.HYUFD said:
Maybe but 3 BBBs from a comprehensive should not be more valuable than 3 AAAs from a private school that is the point.Mysticrose said:As I once pointed out to the Head of a posh private school in Surrey, 3 AAA's from an inner city Hackney Comp is obviously more valuable than 3 AAA's from her school.
Nothing else needs to be said. What matters to Cambridge is not the qualification on entry but the qualification on exit and the years of learning to achieve that.
Of course when we had grammar schools many of the state schools even in Hackney were more than an equal for private schools academically, now with a few exceptions like Mossbourne Academy that is rarely the case for comprehensives
However as a socialist your solution as usual is to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator and penalise the middle classes having already scrapped most grammars which were the best chance to get to Oxbridge the working class ever had
We all know you're a grade snob so this is to be expected, but you're wrong.
Besides, I didn't say a BBB was better than an AAA. In fact of course in most cases the AAA will be valuable. However there may be circumstances where the BBB is in fact more valuable.
In most cases BBB would normally be barely enough to scrape into Southampton let alone Oxbridge and it would be ridiculous of Oxbridge to lower its grade total so far to admit more from comprehensives.
There may be a case to favour an AAA comp student over an AAA private school student, there is no case to favour a BBB comp student over an AAA private school student
She got a 1st anyway.
On the other hand, it's a great pity if she wasn't able to acquire the languages to a comfortable level, since that's one of the main pleasures and joys of the course.
Still, it helps Classics to survive and be enjoyed by more people, so it's not all bad.
The best people, of course, do both:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_James_Leggett
Hence to minimise the toe-curling factor best to dispense with the good STEM folk.
And while some of their favorite films may talk of 'constructs', many STEM bods fail to understand that their understanding of the world is just one construct. This is not to mean that I am disrespectful of science, just that it is not equipped to provide all answers, including most of those which are of most central importance to the human condition.
But what I'd say is that although science cannot answer every question, the questions that it cannot answer cannot be answered.
Or - science does not have all the answers but it does have the ONLY answers.
Where answers = definitive ones to questions starting how and why.
PS While I agree that those other questions cannot be answered universally (i.e. one answer good for everyone), some can be answered to the satisfaction of the enquirer. I, for instance, am happy that I have adequate answers on all matters metaphysical - adequate for me, anyways.0 -
All those recent eye tests ?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
22 people deployed to rescue these idiots. For pity's sake.eek said:
Worth posting the story https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-55648342 to show how stupid they were.SandyRentool said:Four smoggies who got their car stuck in a river near Whitby have just had a total slagging off on Look North.
Dickheads.
Drive past a road closed sign into an overflowing ford thinking they could cross it.
At least the lockdown has led to a (slight) reduction in the number of people getting stuck on the causeway at Holy Island (Lindisfarne) because they can't read a sign that tells them when to cross.1 -
If you are a good Unionist you wouldn't be doing a Tory Ian Murray to your own party's votes and parliamentary representations.HYUFD said:
It is different in Scotland, the Tories, the LDs, Labour, Alliance for Unity, Reform UK etc all come under the anti SNP and Unionist umbrellaCarnyx said:
Of course, you'll be saying that in Epping to your local party - no problem if the local Brexiter Party candidate actually wins.HYUFD said:
Reform UK will likely not stand for constitiuency seats and on the list they might even pick up a few Unionist MSP seats themselves so no harm thereTheuniondivvie said:
Been a couple of opinion pieces on how Farage’s Reform UK mob can take a chunk out of the SCons. Apparently the lad himself is coming up to campaign before the May election, presumably he’ll be avoiding Remoaner Central Edinburgh this time.Carnyx said:
Douglas Ross in Moray?! He's got am important fishing component in his area. And that's just one, before you startt counting the list MSPs - mor eimportant for Tories anyway.HYUFD said:
That is in effect actually only David Duguid, no other Scottish Tory MP or Scottish Tory constituency MSP has a major Scottish fishing port in their constituencyCarnyx said:
When it's the Scottish trawler bosses and the P and J you better start listening if you are a ScoTory MP/MSP worried about his/her seat.Luckyguy1983 said:
TUD has certainly been a busy boy, getting around all those thousands of people.Carnyx said:
Chust so, as old Peter Handy used to say. The seagulls will be complaining next, at this rate.Theuniondivvie said:
The list of folk that have just not understood how great the Deal is for fishing so far:Carnyx said:
Mr Johnson's going to have to do better than make up moans about the SNP in PMQ and think they are sufficient, esp. when it's folk such as Alistair Carmichael doing the attacking. But hey, they're all Jocks perhaps.Theuniondivvie said:Nat mouthpiece the Evening Express there.
https://twitter.com/EveningExpress/status/1349385856386166785?s=20
Nice nativity though.
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/status/1342208753601564674
Fishermen
Fishermens' associations
Fish merchants
Fish exporters
Shellfish exporters
The P&J
The Evening Express
Mphm. Did we include, in the exporters, the processors, incl. Arbroath Smokie and finnan haddie smokers? Or do they emply too many furriners and NOT COUNT?
Unless he's just referring to
'a' fisherman
'a' head of a fishermens' association
'a' fish merchant
'a' fish exporter
'a' shelfish exporter
etc.
The doctrine of "piss off if you didn't vote for us" is not going to garner enough votes to win next time, either.
Also - it's not just the fisherfolk who will vote against Torydom if they think the Brexit has been betrayed. Pasrtly those dependent on the fishing industry (including wider sectors such as housing and food) and partly their sympathisers in the elderly retirees for instance. I'm very interested to see what happens with the party - whatever it's called - now that Michelle Ballantyne has joined. I'd be very surprised if Eyemouth and its hinterland vote Tory if the currtent situation is not alleviated.
Just think about it for a moment - you are doing down your own party.
That is a sacking offence.0 -
That'd be fun for Betfair. His term would definitely have ended. But would it be an early end if he did it on the 20th ?Barnesian said:I think there is a small but non negligible chance (1%?) that Trump will upstage the Biden inauguration by taking his own life on the 20th (or attempting to).
He is mentally unstable. His business is in ruins. His future is bleak. He likes to be the centre of attention. He wants to upstage Biden. He'd like to be a martyr.0 -
It's also meaningless if a method was potentially open to abuse if it could not be proven that there was any such abuse that would affect the outcome, in case after case after case. Nor would identifying a system as in need of improvement (in his eyes at least) justify changing the rules mid election or throwing out the results after one which had a result you do not like even though it was conducted under the rules agreed for it.Pulpstar said:
This is just run of the mill GOP voter suppression, harks back to a more innocent time.contrarian said:In non-existent election fraud news, Brian Kemp is so confident Georgia was a clean election that he.....er......wants big changes to mail-in ballot rules.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/kemp-wants-photo-id-georgia?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
So the attempted implication that the election was therefore rigged is very Trump worthy.0 -
Only if he dies before 12pm on the 20th.Pulpstar said:
That'd be fun for Betfair. His term would definitely have ended. But would it be an early end if he did it on the 20th ?Barnesian said:I think there is a small but non negligible chance (1%?) that Trump will upstage the Biden inauguration by taking his own life on the 20th (or attempting to).
He is mentally unstable. His business is in ruins. His future is bleak. He likes to be the centre of attention. He wants to upstage Biden. He'd like to be a martyr.
If he dies before then there's an automaticity of his Presidency ending and Pence becoming POTUS.
Pence's tenure might rival the Anglo-Zanzibar war for length.1 -
No, in Scotland the main objective is to beat the SNP.Carnyx said:
If you are a good Unionist you wouldn't be doing a Tory Ian Murray to your own party's votes and parliamentary representations.HYUFD said:
It is different in Scotland, the Tories, the LDs, Labour, Alliance for Unity, Reform UK etc all come under the anti SNP and Unionist umbrellaCarnyx said:
Of course, you'll be saying that in Epping to your local party - no problem if the local Brexiter Party candidate actually wins.HYUFD said:
Reform UK will likely not stand for constitiuency seats and on the list they might even pick up a few Unionist MSP seats themselves so no harm thereTheuniondivvie said:
Been a couple of opinion pieces on how Farage’s Reform UK mob can take a chunk out of the SCons. Apparently the lad himself is coming up to campaign before the May election, presumably he’ll be avoiding Remoaner Central Edinburgh this time.Carnyx said:
Douglas Ross in Moray?! He's got am important fishing component in his area. And that's just one, before you startt counting the list MSPs - mor eimportant for Tories anyway.HYUFD said:
That is in effect actually only David Duguid, no other Scottish Tory MP or Scottish Tory constituency MSP has a major Scottish fishing port in their constituencyCarnyx said:
When it's the Scottish trawler bosses and the P and J you better start listening if you are a ScoTory MP/MSP worried about his/her seat.Luckyguy1983 said:
TUD has certainly been a busy boy, getting around all those thousands of people.Carnyx said:
Chust so, as old Peter Handy used to say. The seagulls will be complaining next, at this rate.Theuniondivvie said:
The list of folk that have just not understood how great the Deal is for fishing so far:Carnyx said:
Mr Johnson's going to have to do better than make up moans about the SNP in PMQ and think they are sufficient, esp. when it's folk such as Alistair Carmichael doing the attacking. But hey, they're all Jocks perhaps.Theuniondivvie said:Nat mouthpiece the Evening Express there.
https://twitter.com/EveningExpress/status/1349385856386166785?s=20
Nice nativity though.
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/status/1342208753601564674
Fishermen
Fishermens' associations
Fish merchants
Fish exporters
Shellfish exporters
The P&J
The Evening Express
Mphm. Did we include, in the exporters, the processors, incl. Arbroath Smokie and finnan haddie smokers? Or do they emply too many furriners and NOT COUNT?
Unless he's just referring to
'a' fisherman
'a' head of a fishermens' association
'a' fish merchant
'a' fish exporter
'a' shelfish exporter
etc.
The doctrine of "piss off if you didn't vote for us" is not going to garner enough votes to win next time, either.
Also - it's not just the fisherfolk who will vote against Torydom if they think the Brexit has been betrayed. Pasrtly those dependent on the fishing industry (including wider sectors such as housing and food) and partly their sympathisers in the elderly retirees for instance. I'm very interested to see what happens with the party - whatever it's called - now that Michelle Ballantyne has joined. I'd be very surprised if Eyemouth and its hinterland vote Tory if the currtent situation is not alleviated.
Just think about it for a moment - you are doing down your own party.
That is a sacking offence.
Though in most realistic Unionist target seats which require a less than 5% swing to gain them the best way to do that is to vote Tory anyway, certainly on the constituency vote.0 -
National guard troops who slept overnight in the Capitol. Not the first time this has been done to ensure that "government of the people, by the people and for the people does not perish from the earth".turbotubbs said:
Have totally missed this. Wtf is going on?SandyRentool said:0 -
Playing to the Senators more perhaps? 'Look, I've learned my lesson ok? No more inciting!'Philip_Thompson said:
He's afraid of Pence and the 25th isn't he?williamglenn said:
Pence has him by the short and curlies.1 -
I had a few quid on that as a punt. Blown out the door now.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The betting has swung away from an early departure.Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
Yes 14
No 1.070 -
Cheers.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
National guard troops who slept overnight in the Capitol. Not the first time this has been done to ensure that "government of the people, by the people and for the people does not perish from the earth".turbotubbs said:
Have totally missed this. Wtf is going on?SandyRentool said:0 -
Yep I've steered clear of this one. The best solution I think is a vote to impeach now with the Senate debating it a few weeks down the line after the inauguration. I think it's also more likely to succeed then.Yokes said:
I had a few quid on that as a punt. Blown out the door now.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The betting has swung away from an early departure.Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
Yes 14
No 1.070 -
There’s no good reason to assume that anything McConnell tells anyone is true. But there are plausible reasons for him thinking it’s in his own narrow interest.MrEd said:
But the NYT told us McConnell was going to support impeachment so it must be true.....Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
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Hasn't got the balls.Barnesian said:I think there is a small but non negligible chance (1%?) that Trump will upstage the Biden inauguration by taking his own life on the 20th (or attempting to).
He is mentally unstable. His business is in ruins. His future is bleak. He likes to be the centre of attention. He wants to upstage Biden. He'd like to be a martyr.0 -
He also likes high TV ratings so maybe he will do it live on air.Barnesian said:I think there is a small but non negligible chance (1%?) that Trump will upstage the Biden inauguration by taking his own life on the 20th (or attempting to).
He is mentally unstable. His business is in ruins. His future is bleak. He likes to be the centre of attention. He wants to upstage Biden. He'd like to be a martyr.
You could be onto something here, Barnesian.0 -
But he loves himself far too much.Barnesian said:I think there is a small but non negligible chance (1%?) that Trump will upstage the Biden inauguration by taking his own life on the 20th (or attempting to).
He is mentally unstable. His business is in ruins. His future is bleak. He likes to be the centre of attention. He wants to upstage Biden. He'd like to be a martyr.
So, no.0 -
YOu're such a conspiracy theorist @contrariancontrarian said:In non-existent election fraud news, Brian Kemp is so confident Georgia was a clean election that he.....er......wants big changes to mail-in ballot rules.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/kemp-wants-photo-id-georgia?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?0
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Depressingly high.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
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Oh for sure, it was just the NYT was building up hopes that McConnell would push this through. If it is only 6 House members voting for impeachment, that is quite poor and it might make McConnell think again. As said before, I don't see a huge amount of upside for McConnell in pushing this and there is a lot of potential downside.Peter_the_Punter said:
They can hear the matter after inauguration. It kind of makes sense.MrEd said:
But the NYT told us McConnell was going to support impeachment so it must be true.....Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
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Kemp is a run-of-the-mill right-wing Republican. NOT a Trumpskyite, at least not enough of one to overturn a perfectly legitimate election result.contrarian said:In non-existent election fraud news, Brian Kemp is so confident Georgia was a clean election that he.....er......wants big changes to mail-in ballot rules.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/kemp-wants-photo-id-georgia?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Photo ID is big with Republicans because it both sounds reasonable AND is effective voter suppression method, just like eliminating ballot drop boxes and curtailing postal and early voting.
Governor is a) staying true to his stripes; and b) trying to propitiate the Putinists now howling for his blood.
In other words, true meaning is 180 degrees or thereabouts different from what you imply and believe.1 -
Just discovered that our pre-Lockdown 1 stockpile of baked beans is best before the end of this month. Still 5 tins in the cupboard. Guess what we are having for tea...
I therefore urge everyone to check your tins and eat what needs eating.
In other food news, Wor Lass has sourced some pineapple jam. The perfect addition to a ham sandwich?1 -
Virtually nil. The GOP will turn on him, starting a week from now. It's going to get nasty.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
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This site would explode.rottenborough said:
Depressingly high.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
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Zero. Trumpsky is un-re-electable, regardless of outcome of impeachment trialrottenborough said:
Depressingly high.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
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Negligible since he has about as much chance of winning in 2024 as Corbyn does.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The rest of it is depressingly plausible though.0 -
Next to nonesolarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
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If it’s best before, I wouldn’t rush. It’s not likely to suddenly go bad when the date kicks over...SandyRentool said:Just discovered that our pre-Lockdown 1 stockpile of baked beans is best before the end of this month. Still 5 tins in the cupboard. Guess what we are having for tea...
I therefore urge everyone to check your tins and eat what needs eating.
In other food news, Wor Lass has sourced some pineapple jam. The perfect addition to a ham sandwich?1 -
And what are they going to do about his base who it seems would kill their own grandmothers rather than hear a bad word against the orange messiah?Mysticrose said:
Virtually nil. The GOP will turn on him, starting a week from now. It's going to get nasty.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
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Dunno, he's got millions of supporters and they're reasonably well armed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Zero. Trumpsky is un-re-electable, regardless of outcome of impeachment trialrottenborough said:
Depressingly high.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
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American democracy would probably explode too, but I don't think it's iikely.MrEd said:
This site would explode.rottenborough said:
Depressingly high.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The really interesting thing to me today is where have those extra Republican votes gone ? The NYT and CNN yesterday were talking quite confidently of about 20 Senators who would vote to convict. If there's now only about 5 or 6, what has happened and why ?0 -
Perhaps PBers may have heard of Budd Dwyer, former Republican state legislator and serving State Treasurer in 1987, when he was convicted of conspiracy, mail fraud, perjury and interstate transportation in aid of racketeering.Peter_the_Punter said:
He also likes high TV ratings so maybe he will do it live on air.Barnesian said:I think there is a small but non negligible chance (1%?) that Trump will upstage the Biden inauguration by taking his own life on the 20th (or attempting to).
He is mentally unstable. His business is in ruins. His future is bleak. He likes to be the centre of attention. He wants to upstage Biden. He'd like to be a martyr.
You could be onto something here, Barnesian.
Facing sentence of up to 55 years in prison, Dwyer called a press conference at the PA state capitol in Harrisburg - and shot himself on live TV.0 -
And of McConnell bringing forward the impeachment trial. It looks like Pence, McConnell and the GOP leadership have told Trump to be quiet and sit still and they'll let him end his term with some small semblance of dignity.Philip_Thompson said:
He's afraid of Pence and the 25th isn't he?williamglenn said:0 -
Completely off-topic but will be of interest to a few people here https://twitter.com/FrankBeard/status/1349440126599000065
The difference between this and a typical Amazon store is that you don't need an amazon account - it all gets charged to the credit card you swipe as you enter the store.1 -
The unknown factor is how important a Trump or Trump factor endorsement will be in the 2022Philip_Thompson said:
Negligible since he has about as much chance of winning in 2024 as Corbyn does.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The rest of it is depressingly plausible though.
Republican party primaries.0 -
Trump being constitutionally barred but remaining like some mafiosa godfather over the GOP.eek said:
The unknown factor is how important a Trump or Trump factor endorsement will be in the 2022Philip_Thompson said:
Negligible since he has about as much chance of winning in 2024 as Corbyn does.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The rest of it is depressingly plausible though.
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Think word you are looking for isn't "important" but rather "toxic".eek said:
The unknown factor is how important a Trump or Trump factor endorsement will be in the 2022Philip_Thompson said:
Negligible since he has about as much chance of winning in 2024 as Corbyn does.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The rest of it is depressingly plausible though.
Republican party primaries.1 -
It looks like five or six GOP representatives will join with the Democrats to bring an impeachment. Whether there are really 20 Republican Senators who would vote to convict in the trial right now I am doubtful, but a lot will depend on what comes out between the impeachment being brought and the trial, whenever it may be.WhisperingOracle said:
American democracy would probably explode too, but I don't think it's iikely.MrEd said:
This site would explode.rottenborough said:
Depressingly high.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The really interesting thing to me today is where have those extra Republican votes gone ? The NYT and CNN yesterday were talking quite confidently of about 20 Senators who would vote to convict. If there's now only about 5 or 6, what's happened and why ?0 -
"The new plan would be triggered only when waiting times outside Dover reached eight hours or more and the loads delivered to UK supermarkets had fallen below 75 per cent of expectations for two consecutive days."rottenborough said:
Coming to a Daily Mail front page any day now:Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1349418743252848642
Calling Philip...
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And as you point out, they are the representatives of seventy odd million voters whose votes an unrepentant President illegally attempted to set aside.kle4 said:
But they are also representatives who have constitutional power to hold the president to account. Avoiding that, if they believe he has committed offences worthy of impeachment, may well be a derogation of their duty. It's not just about making themselves feel good by forgiving him.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'm definitely not a better person than you are, I'm just reiterating what forgiveness is. The whole point of it is that it doesn't need the other person to be jolly sorry.kle4 said:
Well you're a better person than I am. In politics, I don't see why forgiveness should be granted to those who do not recognise their responsibility in negative events.Luckyguy1983 said:
No it doesn't. Forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with the recipient.kle4 said:
Forgiveness requires acknowledgement of wrongdoing, at the very least.IanB2 said:After a series of Rep speeches from which you’d deduce that Trump has done nothing wrong, the Rep minority leader is now citing Jefferson and calling for forgiveness and unity.
If someone thinks Trump acted in a manner worthy of impeachment, why should they forgive him? Bear in mind it isn't even actually forgiveness people are being asked to provide, but simply not ensuring consequences for Trump's actions.
So ok, forgiveness doesn't require acknowledgement of wrongdoing. But if someone wants to escape consequences for their actions, then acknowledgement at the least seems reasonable.
It's also not for that person, it's for the forgiver - it is the forgiver who benefits. So the reason they would forgive Trump is the same reason they'd forgive their mother for preferring their sibling or the bank for refusing a mortgage - to let it go. To stop it being part of their experience any more.
That's why they are not really being asked to forgive, they are being asked to prevent him facing consequences.
And people will have different views on what forgiveness is and requires, the same with redemption and other concepts. No doubt philosophers debate such things, and most would agree with you, but the raising of forgiveness is in any case a red herring by his defenders in Congress.
It isn't some personal forgiveness being sought, but the avoidance of formal processes - and that raises other issues where his Trump's personal response is important. It's not a morality play.
It’s not their forgiveness to offer.
The fact that Trump put their lives in danger, sure, that’s theirs - but not the attempt to steal an election.
It is classic Republican tactics, though, to appeal to Democrats’ better instincts, as soon as they lose power. Bipartisanship, heal the divisions, let bygones be... etc.
Then as soon as it’s regained, let’s own the Libs.0 -
Agree, that would require himself to acknowledge he's lost everything, and he will never admit to being a loser. Also, I think he is too much of a physical coward to actually do violence in person, whether to himself or another.Mysticrose said:
But he loves himself far too much.Barnesian said:I think there is a small but non negligible chance (1%?) that Trump will upstage the Biden inauguration by taking his own life on the 20th (or attempting to).
He is mentally unstable. His business is in ruins. His future is bleak. He likes to be the centre of attention. He wants to upstage Biden. He'd like to be a martyr.
So, no.0 -
There is no umbrella. Labour are at least as anti-Tory than anti-SNP. In fact, more so. Their voters contain a significant independence desire. You may as well say Labour, Green, LibDem etc are united under the anti-Tory umbrella. But it's more complex than that.HYUFD said:
It is different in Scotland, the Tories, the LDs, Labour, Alliance for Unity, Reform UK etc all come under the anti SNP and Unionist umbrella.Carnyx said:
Of course, you'll be saying that in Epping to your local party - no problem if the local Brexiter Party candidate actually wins.HYUFD said:
Reform UK will likely not stand for constitiuency seats and on the list they might even pick up a few Unionist MSP seats themselves so no harm thereTheuniondivvie said:
Been a couple of opinion pieces on how Farage’s Reform UK mob can take a chunk out of the SCons. Apparently the lad himself is coming up to campaign before the May election, presumably he’ll be avoiding Remoaner Central Edinburgh this time.Carnyx said:
Douglas Ross in Moray?! He's got am important fishing component in his area. And that's just one, before you startt counting the list MSPs - mor eimportant for Tories anyway.HYUFD said:
That is in effect actually only David Duguid, no other Scottish Tory MP or Scottish Tory constituency MSP has a major Scottish fishing port in their constituencyCarnyx said:
When it's the Scottish trawler bosses and the P and J you better start listening if you are a ScoTory MP/MSP worried about his/her seat.Luckyguy1983 said:
TUD has certainly been a busy boy, getting around all those thousands of people.Carnyx said:
Chust so, as old Peter Handy used to say. The seagulls will be complaining next, at this rate.Theuniondivvie said:
The list of folk that have just not understood how great the Deal is for fishing so far:Carnyx said:
Mr Johnson's going to have to do better than make up moans about the SNP in PMQ and think they are sufficient, esp. when it's folk such as Alistair Carmichael doing the attacking. But hey, they're all Jocks perhaps.Theuniondivvie said:Nat mouthpiece the Evening Express there.
https://twitter.com/EveningExpress/status/1349385856386166785?s=20
Nice nativity though.
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/status/1342208753601564674
Fishermen
Fishermens' associations
Fish merchants
Fish exporters
Shellfish exporters
The P&J
The Evening Express
Mphm. Did we include, in the exporters, the processors, incl. Arbroath Smokie and finnan haddie smokers? Or do they emply too many furriners and NOT COUNT?
Unless he's just referring to
'a' fisherman
'a' head of a fishermens' association
'a' fish merchant
'a' fish exporter
'a' shelfish exporter
etc.
The doctrine of "piss off if you didn't vote for us" is not going to garner enough votes to win next time, either.
Also - it's not just the fisherfolk who will vote against Torydom if they think the Brexit has been betrayed. Pasrtly those dependent on the fishing industry (including wider sectors such as housing and food) and partly their sympathisers in the elderly retirees for instance. I'm very interested to see what happens with the party - whatever it's called - now that Michelle Ballantyne has joined. I'd be very surprised if Eyemouth and its hinterland vote Tory if the currtent situation is not alleviated.0 -
If we knew everything there is to know about science, we would know everything, including the nature of God. But the same is true the other way, if we knew everything about God, we would know everything about science. If we knew everything about knitting, or the Romantic poets, or dairy farming, it would be the same. Everything is everything, and truth agrees with itself, otherwise it wouldn't be truth.kinabalu said:
Yes I meant why as in causation. Which for me means science can in theory explain everything that has ever happened or will happen. But the smart money is on that state of affairs never being reached. Thank the Lord.TimT said:
Yes. Also science answers only how (including why in the sense of causation). Not what or why (in the sense of telos).kinabalu said:
I agree. I'm STEM but not very STEMY.TimT said:
STEM bods (and that is my roots) are also more likely to get trapped in a world of one truth and one perspective.kinabalu said:
That's a point. Although with the pandemic we have seen several "history men" types with their pants down when making forays into the wonderful world of numbers.TOPPING said:
The danger is that many STEM bods get ahead of themselves and start to pretend they have more than the vaguest acquaintance with the arts and thereby embarrass themselves.kinabalu said:
A STEM bod is more likely to be good at the Arts than an Arts bod is to be good at STEM. So if you had to cull one group - I mean if you simply had to - and start again from there you'd probably, albeit with the heaviest of hearts, have to say farewell to the Arts crowd.TOPPING said:
I think a big mistake many arts graduates make is to assume that science grads are completely illiterate in the arts whereas science grads also know how to get to Covent Garden, or Bayreuth for that matter, read voraciously, and can tell a Monet from a Manet.BluestBlue said:
I knew you were basically sound, kinabalu. Oddly enough, I started off school certain that I was going to become a scientist, and only did my volte-face to languages and humanities a little later, though not from any special pressure.kinabalu said:
Latin was both my best and favourite subject at school. Touch of the Billy Elliots about it except unlike him I caved in and went STEM instead. Others spoke, authority figures, and I did it their way. Regrets, I have sixty two, and this is one of them.BluestBlue said:
I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. Getting a First if you read for Course II (where you start the languages from scratch) is less common, and the people who manage it are indeed impressive. On the other hand, the scope of Course II is narrower relative to Course I, concentrating on one language rather than both, and the first year is largely dedicated to intensive catch-up work, so inevitably the average Course II candidate will simply have read and covered less by the end of the degree.Gallowgate said:
I didn't say she was a "charity case". She is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. My point was to highlight yet another advantage those who go to private school have and how she had to work much harder to achieve that 1st than they probably did.BluestBlue said:
In that case, your friend will almost certainly have scored very highly in the Classics Language Aptitude Test (CLAT) when she applied, and thus was admitted on merit, not as a charity case. Oxford has been doing this for years, and it's a much better solution than some crude handicapping system.Gallowgate said:
A friend of mine studied some Classics degree at Oxford, maybe the one Boris studied? In any case she was from a state school and found it almost impossible to keep up as most of her peers had studied greek and latin at their private schools, whilst she had not.IshmaelZ said:
It is entirely conceivable that the BBB pupil is more intelligent and harder working than the AAA one. In that case it is better for Oxford (dunno what this "Oxbridge" shit is) and by any sane standards more just and more desirable that the BBB pupil gets the place, subject to the very important proviso that the BBB pupil can make up the ground lost by worse schooling, in time to benefit from the Oxford course.HYUFD said:
You are a leftwing Tory hater.Gallowgate said:
Yes it is, actually. "Socialism" has nothing to do with it. I'm not even a socialist.HYUFD said:
No it isn't, it is still lower grades no matter personal circumstance.Gallowgate said:
Actually 3 Bs from someone who's have to overcome a hell of a lot of difficult circumstances and self-motivate completely because there was no-one there to push them is a hell of a lot more valuable than 3 As from someone in a private school with pushy parents and private tutors.HYUFD said:
Maybe but 3 BBBs from a comprehensive should not be more valuable than 3 AAAs from a private school that is the point.Mysticrose said:As I once pointed out to the Head of a posh private school in Surrey, 3 AAA's from an inner city Hackney Comp is obviously more valuable than 3 AAA's from her school.
Nothing else needs to be said. What matters to Cambridge is not the qualification on entry but the qualification on exit and the years of learning to achieve that.
Of course when we had grammar schools many of the state schools even in Hackney were more than an equal for private schools academically, now with a few exceptions like Mossbourne Academy that is rarely the case for comprehensives
However as a socialist your solution as usual is to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator and penalise the middle classes having already scrapped most grammars which were the best chance to get to Oxbridge the working class ever had
We all know you're a grade snob so this is to be expected, but you're wrong.
Besides, I didn't say a BBB was better than an AAA. In fact of course in most cases the AAA will be valuable. However there may be circumstances where the BBB is in fact more valuable.
In most cases BBB would normally be barely enough to scrape into Southampton let alone Oxbridge and it would be ridiculous of Oxbridge to lower its grade total so far to admit more from comprehensives.
There may be a case to favour an AAA comp student over an AAA private school student, there is no case to favour a BBB comp student over an AAA private school student
She got a 1st anyway.
On the other hand, it's a great pity if she wasn't able to acquire the languages to a comfortable level, since that's one of the main pleasures and joys of the course.
Still, it helps Classics to survive and be enjoyed by more people, so it's not all bad.
The best people, of course, do both:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_James_Leggett
Hence to minimise the toe-curling factor best to dispense with the good STEM folk.
And while some of their favorite films may talk of 'constructs', many STEM bods fail to understand that their understanding of the world is just one construct. This is not to mean that I am disrespectful of science, just that it is not equipped to provide all answers, including most of those which are of most central importance to the human condition.
But what I'd say is that although science cannot answer every question, the questions that it cannot answer cannot be answered.
Or - science does not have all the answers but it does have the ONLY answers.
Where answers = definitive ones to questions starting how and why.
PS While I agree that those other questions cannot be answered universally (i.e. one answer good for everyone), some can be answered to the satisfaction of the enquirer. I, for instance, am happy that I have adequate answers on all matters metaphysical - adequate for me, anyways.0 -
Sorry , yes ; with all the torrent of news this week, I realise I hadn't been following the procedural stages closely enough. I thought from an earlier skim of today's news that the five or six referred to conviction votes at the next stage, but as a margin for the earlier stage it looks very narrow.rpjs said:
It looks like five or six GOP representatives will join with the Democrats to bring an impeachment. Whether there are really 20 Republican Senators who would vote to convict in the trial right now I am doubtful, but a lot will depend on what comes out between the impeachment being brought and the trial, whenever it may be.WhisperingOracle said:
American democracy would probably explode too, but I don't think it's iikely.MrEd said:
This site would explode.rottenborough said:
Depressingly high.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The really interesting thing to me today is where have those extra Republican votes gone ? The NYT and CNN yesterday were talking quite confidently of about 20 Senators who would vote to convict. If there's now only about 5 or 6, what's happened and why ?0 -
"some small semblance of dignity"rpjs said:
And of McConnell bringing forward the impeachment trial. It looks like Pence, McConnell and the GOP leadership have told Trump to be quiet and sit still and they'll let him end his term with some small semblance of dignity.Philip_Thompson said:
He's afraid of Pence and the 25th isn't he?williamglenn said:
That ship has already sailed. Or rather already been scuttled in VERY deep water by Cap'n Trumpsky.
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The shine will wear off quickly. In a years time he would be unable to get elected as dog catcher in Schitts Creek.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
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Also: "But another haulage insider reckons the bureaucracy of the scheme doesn't recognise how supply chains really work: “This is just embarrassing, and won’t work. Another knee-jerk scheme, designed for a press release"0
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Arms have zero to do with votes. And the number of his die-hard supporters is on the down slide.Pulpstar said:
Dunno, he's got millions of supporters and they're reasonably well armed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Zero. Trumpsky is un-re-electable, regardless of outcome of impeachment trialrottenborough said:
Depressingly high.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
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That makes no difference to the nature of forgiveness.Nigelb said:
It does.Luckyguy1983 said:
No it doesn't. Forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with the recipient.kle4 said:
Forgiveness requires acknowledgement of wrongdoing, at the very least.IanB2 said:After a series of Rep speeches from which you’d deduce that Trump has done nothing wrong, the Rep minority leader is now citing Jefferson and calling for forgiveness and unity.
Pardons, for example, as the US Supreme Court has ruled, carry an imputation of guillt, and acceptance of them a confession of it.0 -
Lets just get this cleared out once and for all.
Trump won 2016 but lost the popular vote against one of the most divisive individuals going in Hillary Clinton
He lost clearly in 2020
In 2024 he can have all the supporters he likes, all he will do is split the right leaning vote and just will not win. He wasn't likely to win in 2020 and didn't, it is not going to be any better for him in 2024 because he is going to trashed for the next 4 years.
Anyway you cant vote for a jailbird.
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IF in a can, should be just as good in a year or more as they were the day they were canned.turbotubbs said:
If it’s best before, I wouldn’t rush. It’s not likely to suddenly go bad when the date kicks over...SandyRentool said:Just discovered that our pre-Lockdown 1 stockpile of baked beans is best before the end of this month. Still 5 tins in the cupboard. Guess what we are having for tea...
I therefore urge everyone to check your tins and eat what needs eating.
In other food news, Wor Lass has sourced some pineapple jam. The perfect addition to a ham sandwich?
That is, awful (as per usual) but (technically) edible.
BUT at least if you scarf down your lockdown rations, you will NOT be able to "vent" in a crowded theater or such-like . . .0 -
If you vote SLab not SNP you are voting for a leadership that is anti independence and anti indyref2, that is the pointStarry said:
There is no umbrella. Labour are at least as anti-Tory than anti-SNP. In fact, more so. Their voters contain a significant independence desire. You may as well say Labour, Green, LibDem etc are united under the anti-Tory umbrella. But it's more complex than that.HYUFD said:
It is different in Scotland, the Tories, the LDs, Labour, Alliance for Unity, Reform UK etc all come under the anti SNP and Unionist umbrella.Carnyx said:
Of course, you'll be saying that in Epping to your local party - no problem if the local Brexiter Party candidate actually wins.HYUFD said:
Reform UK will likely not stand for constitiuency seats and on the list they might even pick up a few Unionist MSP seats themselves so no harm thereTheuniondivvie said:
Been a couple of opinion pieces on how Farage’s Reform UK mob can take a chunk out of the SCons. Apparently the lad himself is coming up to campaign before the May election, presumably he’ll be avoiding Remoaner Central Edinburgh this time.Carnyx said:
Douglas Ross in Moray?! He's got am important fishing component in his area. And that's just one, before you startt counting the list MSPs - mor eimportant for Tories anyway.HYUFD said:
That is in effect actually only David Duguid, no other Scottish Tory MP or Scottish Tory constituency MSP has a major Scottish fishing port in their constituencyCarnyx said:
When it's the Scottish trawler bosses and the P and J you better start listening if you are a ScoTory MP/MSP worried about his/her seat.Luckyguy1983 said:
TUD has certainly been a busy boy, getting around all those thousands of people.Carnyx said:
Chust so, as old Peter Handy used to say. The seagulls will be complaining next, at this rate.Theuniondivvie said:
The list of folk that have just not understood how great the Deal is for fishing so far:Carnyx said:
Mr Johnson's going to have to do better than make up moans about the SNP in PMQ and think they are sufficient, esp. when it's folk such as Alistair Carmichael doing the attacking. But hey, they're all Jocks perhaps.Theuniondivvie said:Nat mouthpiece the Evening Express there.
https://twitter.com/EveningExpress/status/1349385856386166785?s=20
Nice nativity though.
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPrentis/status/1342208753601564674
Fishermen
Fishermens' associations
Fish merchants
Fish exporters
Shellfish exporters
The P&J
The Evening Express
Mphm. Did we include, in the exporters, the processors, incl. Arbroath Smokie and finnan haddie smokers? Or do they emply too many furriners and NOT COUNT?
Unless he's just referring to
'a' fisherman
'a' head of a fishermens' association
'a' fish merchant
'a' fish exporter
'a' shelfish exporter
etc.
The doctrine of "piss off if you didn't vote for us" is not going to garner enough votes to win next time, either.
Also - it's not just the fisherfolk who will vote against Torydom if they think the Brexit has been betrayed. Pasrtly those dependent on the fishing industry (including wider sectors such as housing and food) and partly their sympathisers in the elderly retirees for instance. I'm very interested to see what happens with the party - whatever it's called - now that Michelle Ballantyne has joined. I'd be very surprised if Eyemouth and its hinterland vote Tory if the currtent situation is not alleviated.0 -
We comprehend the universe with as much success as a goldfish struggling to understand why it lives in a glass bowl on the 23rd floor of a New York City skyscraper.Luckyguy1983 said:
If we knew everything there is to know about science, we would know everything, including the nature of God. But the same is true the other way, if we knew everything about God, we would know everything about science. If we knew everything about knitting, or the Romantic poets, or dairy farming, it would be the same. Everything is everything, and truth agrees with itself, otherwise it wouldn't be truth.kinabalu said:
Yes I meant why as in causation. Which for me means science can in theory explain everything that has ever happened or will happen. But the smart money is on that state of affairs never being reached. Thank the Lord.TimT said:
Yes. Also science answers only how (including why in the sense of causation). Not what or why (in the sense of telos).kinabalu said:
I agree. I'm STEM but not very STEMY.TimT said:
STEM bods (and that is my roots) are also more likely to get trapped in a world of one truth and one perspective.kinabalu said:
That's a point. Although with the pandemic we have seen several "history men" types with their pants down when making forays into the wonderful world of numbers.TOPPING said:
The danger is that many STEM bods get ahead of themselves and start to pretend they have more than the vaguest acquaintance with the arts and thereby embarrass themselves.kinabalu said:
A STEM bod is more likely to be good at the Arts than an Arts bod is to be good at STEM. So if you had to cull one group - I mean if you simply had to - and start again from there you'd probably, albeit with the heaviest of hearts, have to say farewell to the Arts crowd.TOPPING said:
I think a big mistake many arts graduates make is to assume that science grads are completely illiterate in the arts whereas science grads also know how to get to Covent Garden, or Bayreuth for that matter, read voraciously, and can tell a Monet from a Manet.BluestBlue said:
I knew you were basically sound, kinabalu. Oddly enough, I started off school certain that I was going to become a scientist, and only did my volte-face to languages and humanities a little later, though not from any special pressure.kinabalu said:
Latin was both my best and favourite subject at school. Touch of the Billy Elliots about it except unlike him I caved in and went STEM instead. Others spoke, authority figures, and I did it their way. Regrets, I have sixty two, and this is one of them.BluestBlue said:
I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. Getting a First if you read for Course II (where you start the languages from scratch) is less common, and the people who manage it are indeed impressive. On the other hand, the scope of Course II is narrower relative to Course I, concentrating on one language rather than both, and the first year is largely dedicated to intensive catch-up work, so inevitably the average Course II candidate will simply have read and covered less by the end of the degree.Gallowgate said:
I didn't say she was a "charity case". She is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. My point was to highlight yet another advantage those who go to private school have and how she had to work much harder to achieve that 1st than they probably did.BluestBlue said:
In that case, your friend will almost certainly have scored very highly in the Classics Language Aptitude Test (CLAT) when she applied, and thus was admitted on merit, not as a charity case. Oxford has been doing this for years, and it's a much better solution than some crude handicapping system.Gallowgate said:
A friend of mine studied some Classics degree at Oxford, maybe the one Boris studied? In any case she was from a state school and found it almost impossible to keep up as most of her peers had studied greek and latin at their private schools, whilst she had not.IshmaelZ said:
It is entirely conceivable that the BBB pupil is more intelligent and harder working than the AAA one. In that case it is better for Oxford (dunno what this "Oxbridge" shit is) and by any sane standards more just and more desirable that the BBB pupil gets the place, subject to the very important proviso that the BBB pupil can make up the ground lost by worse schooling, in time to benefit from the Oxford course.HYUFD said:
You are a leftwing Tory hater.Gallowgate said:
Yes it is, actually. "Socialism" has nothing to do with it. I'm not even a socialist.HYUFD said:
No it isn't, it is still lower grades no matter personal circumstance.Gallowgate said:
Actually 3 Bs from someone who's have to overcome a hell of a lot of difficult circumstances and self-motivate completely because there was no-one there to push them is a hell of a lot more valuable than 3 As from someone in a private school with pushy parents and private tutors.HYUFD said:
Maybe but 3 BBBs from a comprehensive should not be more valuable than 3 AAAs from a private school that is the point.Mysticrose said:As I once pointed out to the Head of a posh private school in Surrey, 3 AAA's from an inner city Hackney Comp is obviously more valuable than 3 AAA's from her school.
Nothing else needs to be said. What matters to Cambridge is not the qualification on entry but the qualification on exit and the years of learning to achieve that.
Of course when we had grammar schools many of the state schools even in Hackney were more than an equal for private schools academically, now with a few exceptions like Mossbourne Academy that is rarely the case for comprehensives
However as a socialist your solution as usual is to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator and penalise the middle classes having already scrapped most grammars which were the best chance to get to Oxbridge the working class ever had
We all know you're a grade snob so this is to be expected, but you're wrong.
Besides, I didn't say a BBB was better than an AAA. In fact of course in most cases the AAA will be valuable. However there may be circumstances where the BBB is in fact more valuable.
In most cases BBB would normally be barely enough to scrape into Southampton let alone Oxbridge and it would be ridiculous of Oxbridge to lower its grade total so far to admit more from comprehensives.
There may be a case to favour an AAA comp student over an AAA private school student, there is no case to favour a BBB comp student over an AAA private school student
She got a 1st anyway.
On the other hand, it's a great pity if she wasn't able to acquire the languages to a comfortable level, since that's one of the main pleasures and joys of the course.
Still, it helps Classics to survive and be enjoyed by more people, so it's not all bad.
The best people, of course, do both:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_James_Leggett
Hence to minimise the toe-curling factor best to dispense with the good STEM folk.
And while some of their favorite films may talk of 'constructs', many STEM bods fail to understand that their understanding of the world is just one construct. This is not to mean that I am disrespectful of science, just that it is not equipped to provide all answers, including most of those which are of most central importance to the human condition.
But what I'd say is that although science cannot answer every question, the questions that it cannot answer cannot be answered.
Or - science does not have all the answers but it does have the ONLY answers.
Where answers = definitive ones to questions starting how and why.
PS While I agree that those other questions cannot be answered universally (i.e. one answer good for everyone), some can be answered to the satisfaction of the enquirer. I, for instance, am happy that I have adequate answers on all matters metaphysical - adequate for me, anyways.2 -
MrEd said:
Oh for sure, it was just the NYT was building up hopes that McConnell would push this through. If it is only 6 House members voting for impeachment, that is quite poor and it might make McConnell think again. As said before, I don't see a huge amount of upside for McConnell in pushing this and there is a lot of potential downside.Peter_the_Punter said:
They can hear the matter after inauguration. It kind of makes sense.MrEd said:
But the NYT told us McConnell was going to support impeachment so it must be true.....Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
Can't see 16 or more Republican Senators voting against Trump, whether proceedings come early or late. I suppose there's always a chance that the longer it is left the greater the chance that something really awful crawls out of the wordwork, but then how much worse than inciting insurrection could it get?MrEd said:
Oh for sure, it was just the NYT was building up hopes that McConnell would push this through. If it is only 6 House members voting for impeachment, that is quite poor and it might make McConnell think again. As said before, I don't see a huge amount of upside for McConnell in pushing this and there is a lot of potential downside.Peter_the_Punter said:
They can hear the matter after inauguration. It kind of makes sense.MrEd said:
But the NYT told us McConnell was going to support impeachment so it must be true.....Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
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I think, looking over it, that that "magalawbrian" Twitter is a parody account. I think it is, and I certainly hope it is, but I can't say for sure. If it is for real, then it is off-the-wall insane even by Trumpist/MAGA/QAnon standards.Malmesbury said:
Maybe... or if Moscow Mitch leads his boys & gals to the impeachment door.....TheScreamingEagles said:
I think the moment will be if Trump doesn't pardon the protestors from last week.Malmesbury said:
For some reason I was thinking of the ones who were waiting for the spaceship. When it didn't arrive....TheScreamingEagles said:
So am I.Malmesbury said:
I'm serious - I can see the hard core doing some kind of joint suicide thing. Just hoping that it doesn't involve anything other than themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jonestown.Malmesbury said:
This is literally going to end with KoolAid, isn't it?Theuniondivvie said:No one expects...the Space Force!
https://twitter.com/magalawbrian/status/1349228191446044674?s=20
It is a cult. When the Messiah goes it gets very messy.
I think that the 20th would be a good day to be in a bunker, honestly.0 -
Trump is toxic to democrat voters - he isn't too a large percentage of Republican supporters - there will be places where the Trump seal of approval will result in their candidate being the 2022 Republican party candidate and a large number of congressman know that to survive they can't annoy those supportersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Think word you are looking for isn't "important" but rather "toxic".eek said:
The unknown factor is how important a Trump or Trump factor endorsement will be in the 2022Philip_Thompson said:
Negligible since he has about as much chance of winning in 2024 as Corbyn does.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The rest of it is depressingly plausible though.
Republican party primaries.0 -
The unspoken bargain. No more threats to democracy, and we won't vote to impeach. But, any more attacks on any regional capitals - and we pile in.rpjs said:
It looks like five or six GOP representatives will join with the Democrats to bring an impeachment. Whether there are really 20 Republican Senators who would vote to convict in the trial right now I am doubtful, but a lot will depend on what comes out between the impeachment being brought and the trial, whenever it may be.WhisperingOracle said:
American democracy would probably explode too, but I don't think it's iikely.MrEd said:
This site would explode.rottenborough said:
Depressingly high.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The really interesting thing to me today is where have those extra Republican votes gone ? The NYT and CNN yesterday were talking quite confidently of about 20 Senators who would vote to convict. If there's now only about 5 or 6, what's happened and why ?1 -
Wonder IF there may be some historical parallels, between the political future of the Trumpskyites in 21st-century US and the past poliltical trajectory of the Jacobites in 18th-century UK?
AND that Donald Trumpsky's failure to win re-election in 2020, is in some ways akin to Bonnie Prince Charlie's failure to advance beyond Derby in 1745?
Both were close-run things AND major watersheds for not just at the time, but for MANY years to come.1 -
You really think he'll do chokey, Yokey?Yokes said:Lets just get this cleared out once and for all.
Trump won 2016 but lost the popular vote against one of the most divisive individuals going in Hillary Clinton
He lost clearly in 2020
In 2024 he can have all the supporters he likes, all he will do is split the right leaning vote and just will not win. He wasn't likely to win in 2020 and didn't, it is not going to be any better for him in 2024 because he is going to trashed for the next 4 years.
Anyway you cant vote for a jailbird.
I'm sure the IRS will go for his throat but they will usually accept financial restitution.0 -
And a big one!TOPPING said:
It's a question.kinabalu said:
That's not a how or why.TOPPING said:
What is free will?kinabalu said:
I agree. I'm STEM but not very STEMY.TimT said:
STEM bods (and that is my roots) are also more likely to get trapped in a world of one truth and one perspective.kinabalu said:
That's a point. Although with the pandemic we have seen several "history men" types with their pants down when making forays into the wonderful world of numbers.TOPPING said:
The danger is that many STEM bods get ahead of themselves and start to pretend they have more than the vaguest acquaintance with the arts and thereby embarrass themselves.kinabalu said:
A STEM bod is more likely to be good at the Arts than an Arts bod is to be good at STEM. So if you had to cull one group - I mean if you simply had to - and start again from there you'd probably, albeit with the heaviest of hearts, have to say farewell to the Arts crowd.TOPPING said:
I think a big mistake many arts graduates make is to assume that science grads are completely illiterate in the arts whereas science grads also know how to get to Covent Garden, or Bayreuth for that matter, read voraciously, and can tell a Monet from a Manet.BluestBlue said:
I knew you were basically sound, kinabalu. Oddly enough, I started off school certain that I was going to become a scientist, and only did my volte-face to languages and humanities a little later, though not from any special pressure.kinabalu said:
Latin was both my best and favourite subject at school. Touch of the Billy Elliots about it except unlike him I caved in and went STEM instead. Others spoke, authority figures, and I did it their way. Regrets, I have sixty two, and this is one of them.BluestBlue said:
I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. Getting a First if you read for Course II (where you start the languages from scratch) is less common, and the people who manage it are indeed impressive. On the other hand, the scope of Course II is narrower relative to Course I, concentrating on one language rather than both, and the first year is largely dedicated to intensive catch-up work, so inevitably the average Course II candidate will simply have read and covered less by the end of the degree.Gallowgate said:
I didn't say she was a "charity case". She is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. My point was to highlight yet another advantage those who go to private school have and how she had to work much harder to achieve that 1st than they probably did.BluestBlue said:
In that case, your friend will almost certainly have scored very highly in the Classics Language Aptitude Test (CLAT) when she applied, and thus was admitted on merit, not as a charity case. Oxford has been doing this for years, and it's a much better solution than some crude handicapping system.Gallowgate said:
A friend of mine studied some Classics degree at Oxford, maybe the one Boris studied? In any case she was from a state school and found it almost impossible to keep up as most of her peers had studied greek and latin at their private schools, whilst she had not.IshmaelZ said:
It is entirely conceivable that the BBB pupil is more intelligent and harder working than the AAA one. In that case it is better for Oxford (dunno what this "Oxbridge" shit is) and by any sane standards more just and more desirable that the BBB pupil gets the place, subject to the very important proviso that the BBB pupil can make up the ground lost by worse schooling, in time to benefit from the Oxford course.HYUFD said:
You are a leftwing Tory hater.Gallowgate said:
Yes it is, actually. "Socialism" has nothing to do with it. I'm not even a socialist.HYUFD said:
No it isn't, it is still lower grades no matter personal circumstance.Gallowgate said:
Actually 3 Bs from someone who's have to overcome a hell of a lot of difficult circumstances and self-motivate completely because there was no-one there to push them is a hell of a lot more valuable than 3 As from someone in a private school with pushy parents and private tutors.HYUFD said:
Maybe but 3 BBBs from a comprehensive should not be more valuable than 3 AAAs from a private school that is the point.Mysticrose said:As I once pointed out to the Head of a posh private school in Surrey, 3 AAA's from an inner city Hackney Comp is obviously more valuable than 3 AAA's from her school.
Nothing else needs to be said. What matters to Cambridge is not the qualification on entry but the qualification on exit and the years of learning to achieve that.
Of course when we had grammar schools many of the state schools even in Hackney were more than an equal for private schools academically, now with a few exceptions like Mossbourne Academy that is rarely the case for comprehensives
However as a socialist your solution as usual is to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator and penalise the middle classes having already scrapped most grammars which were the best chance to get to Oxbridge the working class ever had
We all know you're a grade snob so this is to be expected, but you're wrong.
Besides, I didn't say a BBB was better than an AAA. In fact of course in most cases the AAA will be valuable. However there may be circumstances where the BBB is in fact more valuable.
In most cases BBB would normally be barely enough to scrape into Southampton let alone Oxbridge and it would be ridiculous of Oxbridge to lower its grade total so far to admit more from comprehensives.
There may be a case to favour an AAA comp student over an AAA private school student, there is no case to favour a BBB comp student over an AAA private school student
She got a 1st anyway.
On the other hand, it's a great pity if she wasn't able to acquire the languages to a comfortable level, since that's one of the main pleasures and joys of the course.
Still, it helps Classics to survive and be enjoyed by more people, so it's not all bad.
The best people, of course, do both:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_James_Leggett
Hence to minimise the toe-curling factor best to dispense with the good STEM folk.
And while some of their favorite films may talk of 'constructs', many STEM bods fail to understand that their understanding of the world is just one construct. This is not to mean that I am disrespectful of science, just that it is not equipped to provide all answers, including most of those which are of most central importance to the human condition.
But what I'd say is that although science cannot answer every question, the questions that it cannot answer cannot be answered.
Or - science does not have all the answers but it does have the ONLY answers.
Where answers = definitive ones to questions starting how and why.
I would say free will probably does not exist but it is best to live and think as if it does.
So it does. It definitely does.0 -
No company is going to willingly send an empty container across the channel unless absolutely completely necessary.RochdalePioneers said:Also: "But another haulage insider reckons the bureaucracy of the scheme doesn't recognise how supply chains really work: “This is just embarrassing, and won’t work. Another knee-jerk scheme, designed for a press release"
You are now paying for 2 expensive journeys for 1 transport load.
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Doubt if Mitch McConnell shares your view re: Trumpsky's toxicity.eek said:
Trump is toxic to democrat voters - he isn't too a large percentage of Republican supporters - there will be places where the Trump seal of approval will result in their candidate being the 2022 Republican party candidate and a large number of congressman know that to survive they can't annoy those supportersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Think word you are looking for isn't "important" but rather "toxic".eek said:
The unknown factor is how important a Trump or Trump factor endorsement will be in the 2022Philip_Thompson said:
Negligible since he has about as much chance of winning in 2024 as Corbyn does.solarflare said:What odds on Trump being impeached but not convicted, coming back and winning in 2024 and making it a hat-trick of impeachments in his second term?
The rest of it is depressingly plausible though.
Republican party primaries.
That's the point about the Trumpsky Putsch - everything is changed, with new dynamic and realities.0 -
I think the most plausible way we get to a conviction is for enough GOP senators to have COVID scares that mean they have to quarantine or find themselves double booked onto a too-late-to-be-cancelled fact-finding mission to Guam or simply decide to wash their hair instead of going to the trial, that the Dems and the sure-to-convict Republicans like Romney can make up a 2/3 majority of those present. I don't think that's likely to happen, but I think it's slightly more likely than 17 Republicans convicting Trump. I think the likelihood also increases the longer delay to the trial as one or both of a) more damning evidence coming out or b) a diminishing of Trump's influence over the GOP once he's out of office with nowhere to tweet from are more likely to happen.Peter_the_Punter said:MrEd said:
Oh for sure, it was just the NYT was building up hopes that McConnell would push this through. If it is only 6 House members voting for impeachment, that is quite poor and it might make McConnell think again. As said before, I don't see a huge amount of upside for McConnell in pushing this and there is a lot of potential downside.Peter_the_Punter said:
They can hear the matter after inauguration. It kind of makes sense.MrEd said:
But the NYT told us McConnell was going to support impeachment so it must be true.....Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
Can't see 16 or more Republican Senators voting against Trump, whether proceedings come early or late. I suppose there's always a chance that the longer it is left the greater the chance that something really awful crawls out of the wordwork, but then how much worse than inciting insurrection could it get?MrEd said:
Oh for sure, it was just the NYT was building up hopes that McConnell would push this through. If it is only 6 House members voting for impeachment, that is quite poor and it might make McConnell think again. As said before, I don't see a huge amount of upside for McConnell in pushing this and there is a lot of potential downside.Peter_the_Punter said:
They can hear the matter after inauguration. It kind of makes sense.MrEd said:
But the NYT told us McConnell was going to support impeachment so it must be true.....Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
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Could you have imagined ANY voting to convict BEFORE last week?Peter_the_Punter said:MrEd said:
Oh for sure, it was just the NYT was building up hopes that McConnell would push this through. If it is only 6 House members voting for impeachment, that is quite poor and it might make McConnell think again. As said before, I don't see a huge amount of upside for McConnell in pushing this and there is a lot of potential downside.Peter_the_Punter said:
They can hear the matter after inauguration. It kind of makes sense.MrEd said:
But the NYT told us McConnell was going to support impeachment so it must be true.....Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
Can't see 16 or more Republican Senators voting against Trump, whether proceedings come early or late. I suppose there's always a chance that the longer it is left the greater the chance that something really awful crawls out of the wordwork, but then how much worse than inciting insurrection could it get?MrEd said:
Oh for sure, it was just the NYT was building up hopes that McConnell would push this through. If it is only 6 House members voting for impeachment, that is quite poor and it might make McConnell think again. As said before, I don't see a huge amount of upside for McConnell in pushing this and there is a lot of potential downside.Peter_the_Punter said:
They can hear the matter after inauguration. It kind of makes sense.MrEd said:
But the NYT told us McConnell was going to support impeachment so it must be true.....Yokes said:Well McConnell might be he aint going to be rushing. Apparently he has told his Democrat counterpart he has no intention of coming early to the Senate to hear it so that is probably that for a slightly early bath for Trump.
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What a strange debate this is. They both know the outcome, yet each side is guarding its remaining time (about 8 minutes each now), trying to let the other go first, and doling out their allocation in 30 second rations to speakers on their own side. Which is barely enough time to develop any kind of argument and many speakers are cut off by the chair. For the listener it makes for a very unsatisfactory debate, and I can only assume the politicians are doing it so they can issue a press release to their state media.0
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Or Pizza?SandyRentool said:Just discovered that our pre-Lockdown 1 stockpile of baked beans is best before the end of this month. Still 5 tins in the cupboard. Guess what we are having for tea...
I therefore urge everyone to check your tins and eat what needs eating.
In other food news, Wor Lass has sourced some pineapple jam. The perfect addition to a ham sandwich?0 -
It's more likely to be the State of New York that nails him for tax fraud.Peter_the_Punter said:
You really think he'll do chokey, Yokey?Yokes said:Lets just get this cleared out once and for all.
Trump won 2016 but lost the popular vote against one of the most divisive individuals going in Hillary Clinton
He lost clearly in 2020
In 2024 he can have all the supporters he likes, all he will do is split the right leaning vote and just will not win. He wasn't likely to win in 2020 and didn't, it is not going to be any better for him in 2024 because he is going to trashed for the next 4 years.
Anyway you cant vote for a jailbird.
I'm sure the IRS will go for his throat but they will usually accept financial restitution.2
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