So it’s a 7 week lockdown for England – will this contain it at last? – politicalbetting.com
So it’s a 7 week lockdown for England – will this contain it at last? – politicalbetting.com
Almost everything, from how long this lockdown will last to what the government’s reputation will be at the end of it, now turns on how quickly the vaccine can be rolled out https://t.co/ERlYOtbODf
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Prepare for its being well into March befote we really get out of lockdown....and then only back into T4/T3.1
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We will no doubt come out at half term... Too early...0
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He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?1 -
We've acquired an Irish passport in our household now, the new horse still has free movement rights all over europe !4
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Optimism! That would indicate that sense prevails over political dither.FrancisUrquhart said:Prepare for its being well into March befote we really get out of lockdown....and then only back into T4/T3.
Best thing now would be for the Tories to defenestrate Boris, put in an interim leader prepared to be the wasp cake for all the difficult decisions needed this year, and then claim the credit for sorting it out, with Boris taking the blame for past sins. They retire and someone runs through 2022-2024 rebuilding to the next election.
Once I'd have said that sounds like too many leaders in too short a time... But these days?0 -
He always looks a little ill. No, because Starmer is going patriotic so now it is all flags all the time.Roger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
And no, he thinks he's Churchill, everyone knows that.2 -
Guardian: Since before Christmas, the government has trailed along haplessly in the wake of events, as if constantly surprised by them. The chaos over this week’s return to schools carried eerie echoes of the early spring. Then, as now, schools simply began to close their gates. Workplaces emptied, as the public grasped, more quickly than the government, what had to be done. This time round, Mr Johnson’s scientific advisers warned on 22 December that the exponential spread of infections meant that schools should remain closed and a national lockdown considered. The best form of crisis management is to anticipate and pre-empt, even if that means making unpopular decisions. But in Downing Street there is a persistent refusal to confront and act on the worst-case scenario before the worst has actually happened.
The government’s capacity to endlessly repeat the same mistakes hardly inspires confidence. But for a time-limited period, as the population is vaccinated, it is right to batten down the hatches. Tough as the coming weeks will be, this is not the open-ended nightmare that began to unfold last February and March. It is just a pity that the government did not recognise that changed context and act sooner.3 -
Have told the kids they have already had their last day at their old schools. As I have had my last day as a freeman of England.1
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Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
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Well I picked a great time to quit smoking 🙏5
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Doesn't he know that at least half the country would like to stick it through his arraskle4 said:
He always looks a little ill. No, because Starmer is going patriotic so now it is all flags all the time.Roger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
And no, he thinks he's Churchill, everyone knows that.0 -
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!1 -
Boris copies again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?0 -
And I picked a fine day to start dry January.kinabalu said:Well I picked a great time to quit smoking 🙏
(I know... but there were a few opened bottles that needed finishing off.)1 -
Yes it will very likely "contain" it, probably reduce it a bit. It wont get us down to the low levels of summer though.
My guess
Lockdown till first week of March
Tier 3/4 for most of March & April
Tier 1/2/3 for May
Local lockdowns from June0 -
Starmer wants to win electionsMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!0 -
Good luck with the move - are you coming to the beautiful Borders? Or some lesser part of Scotland.RochdalePioneers said:Have told the kids they have already had their last day at their old schools. As I have had my last day as a freeman of England.
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The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.0
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Make Britannia Cool Again!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
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Certainly not. Jezza would have had a Palestinian flag.Mexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!1 -
That would have been even worse than Johnson. It might have made me actually vomit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
Fortunately I missed it.
The future's Bright (ish) The Future's Orange.0 -
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He did!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
What wouldn't we give to have Tony around now.2 -
Would you expect anything less....Foxy said:0 -
Perhaps he thinks he's the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom?Roger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?0 -
"A new day has dawned, has it not?"FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
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Replace Hancock with Hunt tomorrow.0
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Where's Geri Halliwell's gusset when we need it?williamglenn said:
Make Britannia Cool Again!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
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All hail Sir AbstainalotMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!0 -
Maybe Starmer is going to speak in front of it regularlyRoger said:
That would have been even worse than Johnson. It might have made me actually vomit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
Fortunately I missed it.
The future's Bright (ish) The Future's Orange.
He does want to win elections
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The north eastAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Good luck with the move - are you coming to the beautiful Borders? Or some lesser part of Scotland.RochdalePioneers said:Have told the kids they have already had their last day at their old schools. As I have had my last day as a freeman of England.
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Just as a point of order, the strategy of giving a single dose is widely known (both in the general context of two dose vaccines and in the specific context of COVID) & had been discussed before.Roger said:
He did!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
What wouldn't we give to have Tony around now.
Blair took the idea and he presented it as his own.
Of course, if Blair wanted to be really generous ... he could have given the idea to SKS to present & popularize.
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And he would have taken it and abstained until he could see in hindsight which was best.YBarddCwsc said:
Just as a point of order, the strategy of giving a single dose is widely known (both in the general context of two dose vaccines and in the specific context of COVID) & had been discussed before.Roger said:
He did!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
What wouldn't we give to have Tony around now.
Blair took the idea and he presented it as his own.
Of course, if Blair wanted to be really generous ... he could have given the idea to SKS to present & popularize.0 -
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!0 -
That's a good bit, if a tad brisk in the winter months. Enjoy!RochdalePioneers said:
The north eastAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Good luck with the move - are you coming to the beautiful Borders? Or some lesser part of Scotland.RochdalePioneers said:Have told the kids they have already had their last day at their old schools. As I have had my last day as a freeman of England.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q9OTn_ZQLwYBarddCwsc said:
Of course, if Blair wanted to be really generous ... he could have given the idea to SKS to present & popularize.Roger said:
He did!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
What wouldn't we give to have Tony around now.
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I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.2 -
Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
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He wouldn't attack Macron for appearing in front of his flag, since he doesn't hate France.RobD said:
What a tedious attack line. It'd resonate more if you were equally damning of Macron, Merkel etc. for appearing in front of theirs.Roger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?1 -
I've seen no evidence Starmer hates Britain or anything like that. He's a knight of the realm for goodness sakePhilip_Thompson said:
I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.
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Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
Even Big G and Carlotta make the occasional criticism.0 -
He's just prepared to serve under those who do hate Britain?RobD said:
I've seen no evidence Starmer hates Britain or anything like that. He's a knight of the realm for goodness sakePhilip_Thompson said:
I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.0 -
Quite right. Blair is out of order. In the future he should only suggest ideas where he has done the primary research himself.YBarddCwsc said:
Just as a point of order, the strategy of giving a single dose is widely known (both in the general context of two dose vaccines and in the specific context of COVID) & had been discussed before.Roger said:
He did!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
What wouldn't we give to have Tony around now.
Blair took the idea and he presented it as his own.3 -
Surely Boris hates Britain?Philip_Thompson said:
He's just prepared to serve under those who do hate Britain?RobD said:
I've seen no evidence Starmer hates Britain or anything like that. He's a knight of the realm for goodness sakePhilip_Thompson said:
I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.
He has made it poorer, weaker, increased separatist sentiment; and his dithering has probably contributed to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.4 -
It is the job of a politician to be deep in the shit, yet come up smelling of roses.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....2 -
Fair point, but the level of ascribing of the government changing position due to his pressure is likely pushing it a bit. Given how slowly government moves they were probably looking at it from other suggestions before he raised it, so his contributions may be part of the pressure, but he cannot crow too much.Crabbie said:
Quite right. Blair is out of order. In the future he should only suggest ideas where he has done the primary research himself.YBarddCwsc said:
Just as a point of order, the strategy of giving a single dose is widely known (both in the general context of two dose vaccines and in the specific context of COVID) & had been discussed before.Roger said:
He did!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
What wouldn't we give to have Tony around now.
Blair took the idea and he presented it as his own.1 -
Don't forget that sunny weather helps drive R down irrespective of anything else: people being outside more means the virus spreads less. Hence that Sweden saw cases decline sharply without any kind of lockdownnoneoftheabove said:Yes it will very likely "contain" it, probably reduce it a bit. It wont get us down to the low levels of summer though.
My guess
Lockdown till first week of March
Tier 3/4 for most of March & April
Tier 1/2/3 for May
Local lockdowns from June0 -
Don't worry folks. Keir will be swapping it for a red flag the day he enters Number 10.
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Oh push the other one.Gardenwalker said:
Surely Boris hates Britain?Philip_Thompson said:
He's just prepared to serve under those who do hate Britain?RobD said:
I've seen no evidence Starmer hates Britain or anything like that. He's a knight of the realm for goodness sakePhilip_Thompson said:
I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.
He has made it poorer, weaker, increased separatist sentiment; and his dithering has probably contributed to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
His "dithering" government has vaccinated more than the rest of the continent put together. Why is that if the UK is dithering?
His "dithering" government has set a rod for 14 million people to have been vaccinated by 14 February; Macron has set an ambitious target for 1 million by 31 January.
Dithering my arse.2 -
That's quite a strong accusation to make against the Queen!Philip_Thompson said:
He's just prepared to serve under those who do hate Britain?RobD said:
I've seen no evidence Starmer hates Britain or anything like that. He's a knight of the realm for goodness sakePhilip_Thompson said:
I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.1 -
A delusion of grandeur.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps he thinks he's the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom?Roger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?1 -
The judgement on dithering may well take in more than just the vaccination policy and procurement. It may or may not be a fair charge, but a good job on vaccination alone doesn't disprove it.Philip_Thompson said:
Oh push the other one.Gardenwalker said:
Surely Boris hates Britain?Philip_Thompson said:
He's just prepared to serve under those who do hate Britain?RobD said:
I've seen no evidence Starmer hates Britain or anything like that. He's a knight of the realm for goodness sakePhilip_Thompson said:
I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.
He has made it poorer, weaker, increased separatist sentiment; and his dithering has probably contributed to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
His "dithering" government has vaccinated more than the rest of the continent put together. Why is that if the UK is dithering?
His "dithering" government has set a rod for 14 million people to have been vaccinated by 14 February; Macron has set an ambitious target for 1 million by 31 January.
Dithering my arse.0 -
Blair should credit ideas properly. Just because ideas are free as air, doesn't mean you can just nick 'em.Crabbie said:
Quite right. Blair is out of order. In the future he should only suggest ideas where he has done the primary research himself.YBarddCwsc said:
Just as a point of order, the strategy of giving a single dose is widely known (both in the general context of two dose vaccines and in the specific context of COVID) & had been discussed before.Roger said:
He did!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
What wouldn't we give to have Tony around now.
Blair took the idea and he presented it as his own.
Blair could have done SKS -- and by extension the Labour party -- a bit of good, but he chose not to.
It so happens I think Blair has had a good pandemic, but it is foolish to believe that he is mainly interested in anyone or anything other than Blair.2 -
I would rather not think about Boris dithering your arse; some fantasies are too candid to be shared on PB.Philip_Thompson said:
Oh push the other one.Gardenwalker said:
Surely Boris hates Britain?Philip_Thompson said:
He's just prepared to serve under those who do hate Britain?RobD said:
I've seen no evidence Starmer hates Britain or anything like that. He's a knight of the realm for goodness sakePhilip_Thompson said:
I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.
He has made it poorer, weaker, increased separatist sentiment; and his dithering has probably contributed to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
His "dithering" government has vaccinated more than the rest of the continent put together. Why is that if the UK is dithering?
His "dithering" government has set a rod for 14 million people to have been vaccinated by 14 February; Macron has set an ambitious target for 1 million by 31 January.
Dithering my arse.
He was late to lockdown in March.
Relaxed too early in June.
Late to respond in November.
All too lax in December.
And here we are again in January; late again.0 -
It's the route for a successful one.YBarddCwsc said:
It is the job of a politician to be deep in the shit, yet come up smelling of roses.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
Jury's out until February/March; but there are plenty here so obviously terrified that he might just pull it off.2 -
That's true, but on the flipside we didn't have the newer more transmissible variant of the virus last summer. Its lowered R in sunny weather may still be considerably higher than what we'd expect from the previous version - we don't know how that's going to be a factor.rcs1000 said:
Don't forget that sunny weather helps drive R down irrespective of anything else: people being outside more means the virus spreads less. Hence that Sweden saw cases decline sharply without any kind of lockdownnoneoftheabove said:Yes it will very likely "contain" it, probably reduce it a bit. It wont get us down to the low levels of summer though.
My guess
Lockdown till first week of March
Tier 3/4 for most of March & April
Tier 1/2/3 for May
Local lockdowns from June0 -
It was variously Boris himself, and Boris sidekicks briefing the Telegraph, who indicated that it would be days before a decision was made. Let's all celebrate his inability to formulate a plan and stick to it for three minutes.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
"Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him." Max Hastings.3 -
The vaccination programme is the only endgame to this. It absolutely the #1 ultimate issue above all else.kle4 said:
The judgement on dithering may well take in more than just the vaccination policy and procurement. It may or may not be a fair charge, but a good job on vaccination alone doesn't disprove it.Philip_Thompson said:
Oh push the other one.Gardenwalker said:
Surely Boris hates Britain?Philip_Thompson said:
He's just prepared to serve under those who do hate Britain?RobD said:
I've seen no evidence Starmer hates Britain or anything like that. He's a knight of the realm for goodness sakePhilip_Thompson said:
I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.
He has made it poorer, weaker, increased separatist sentiment; and his dithering has probably contributed to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
His "dithering" government has vaccinated more than the rest of the continent put together. Why is that if the UK is dithering?
His "dithering" government has set a rod for 14 million people to have been vaccinated by 14 February; Macron has set an ambitious target for 1 million by 31 January.
Dithering my arse.
The world's three biggest priorities must be vaccination, vaccination, vaccination.0 -
Agreed and part of the reason I am more optimistic than most.rcs1000 said:
Don't forget that sunny weather helps drive R down irrespective of anything else: people being outside more means the virus spreads less. Hence that Sweden saw cases decline sharply without any kind of lockdownnoneoftheabove said:Yes it will very likely "contain" it, probably reduce it a bit. It wont get us down to the low levels of summer though.
My guess
Lockdown till first week of March
Tier 3/4 for most of March & April
Tier 1/2/3 for May
Local lockdowns from June0 -
Yes here we are in January with more vaccinated than the rest of the continent put together. 🤔Gardenwalker said:
I would rather not think about Boris dithering your arse; some fantasies are too candid to be shared on PB.Philip_Thompson said:
Oh push the other one.Gardenwalker said:
Surely Boris hates Britain?Philip_Thompson said:
He's just prepared to serve under those who do hate Britain?RobD said:
I've seen no evidence Starmer hates Britain or anything like that. He's a knight of the realm for goodness sakePhilip_Thompson said:
I don't think Johnson is a phoney when as PM he sits in front of a flag. He probably finds it perfectly normal, as does Macron.Roger said:
It's worse than that. It shows he's a phoney like JohnsonMexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Starmer on the other hand probably is a phoney doing it unlike them.
He has made it poorer, weaker, increased separatist sentiment; and his dithering has probably contributed to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
His "dithering" government has vaccinated more than the rest of the continent put together. Why is that if the UK is dithering?
His "dithering" government has set a rod for 14 million people to have been vaccinated by 14 February; Macron has set an ambitious target for 1 million by 31 January.
Dithering my arse.
He was late to lockdown in March.
Relaxed too early in June.
Late to respond in November.
All too lax in December.
And here we are again in January; late again.
He's doing a better job than Merkel let alone Macron.2 -
"I WANT a Prime Minister who takes embarrassing decisions..."
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I have said loudly that Boris is a complete twat for the way he has been taken in on his energy policy.Gardenwalker said:Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
Even Big G and Carlotta make the occasional criticism.
But on Covid, he is no worse than many other world leaders - and may yet prove to be well ahead of most. Today should give huge hope for that.
Surely, you want him to be ahead of most world leaders in defeating Covid?
And once more, with conviction.3 -
Things going badly in Alberta. After the bloke in Ontario it makes our lot look good.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/04/canada-politicians-ignore-holiday-travel-advice0 -
It would be fun to read some similarly-spiteful barbs about Mr. Hastings, but sadly no one seems to have given enough of a shit about him to make any...IshmaelZ said:
It was variously Boris himself, and Boris sidekicks briefing the Telegraph, who indicated that it would be days before a decision was made. Let's all celebrate his inability to formulate a plan and stick to it for three minutes.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
"Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him." Max Hastings.0 -
MRDA
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If we can deliver the plan he outlined this evening (his best performance to date), I will of course be delighted.MarqueeMark said:
I have said loudly that Boris is a complete twat for the way he has been taken in on his energy policy.Gardenwalker said:Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
Even Big G and Carlotta make the occasional criticism.
But on Covid, he is no worse than many other world leaders - and may yet prove to be well ahead of most. Today should give huge hope for that.
Surely, you want him to be ahead of most world leaders in defeating Covid?
And once more, with conviction.
It just surprises me how much Boris cock-smoking there is on this forum in opposition to all evidence (save his continued relative buoyancy in the polls).0 -
What a daft assumption to make.MarqueeMark said:
It's the route for a successful one.YBarddCwsc said:
It is the job of a politician to be deep in the shit, yet come up smelling of roses.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
Jury's out until February/March; but there are plenty here so obviously terrified that he might just pull it off.
Boris detractors are terrified Johnson will be the UK Prime Minister to eventually beat Covid? Clearly we would all prefer to die of Coronavirus to prove him wrong.
Hats off to Johnson for the procurement of the vaccine. Hats off for little else.0 -
What can you say? 🤦🏻♂️CarlottaVance said:MRDA
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Just for the data point, have you met the PM?BluestBlue said:
It would be fun to read some similarly-spiteful barbs about Mr. Hastings, but sadly no one seems to have given enough of a shit about him to make any...IshmaelZ said:
It was variously Boris himself, and Boris sidekicks briefing the Telegraph, who indicated that it would be days before a decision was made. Let's all celebrate his inability to formulate a plan and stick to it for three minutes.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
"Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him." Max Hastings.1 -
Hats off for the most important issue of the past 12 months?Mexicanpete said:
What a daft assumption to make.MarqueeMark said:
It's the route for a successful one.YBarddCwsc said:
It is the job of a politician to be deep in the shit, yet come up smelling of roses.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
Jury's out until February/March; but there are plenty here so obviously terrified that he might just pull it off.
Boris detractors are terrified Johnson will be the UK Prime Minister to eventually beat Covid? Clearly we would all prefer to die of Coronavirus to prove him wrong.
Hats off to Johnson for the procurement of the vaccine. Hats off for little else.1 -
There are more than a few on here. In the words of our own DuraAce "He'd crawl over broken glass to drink Boris's bath water..."Gardenwalker said:Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
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Who the fuck wants a "nice" Prime Minister? If it is a question of us or the Germans taking delivery of the next batch of the vaccine, this is who I want going in on behalf of our NHS:IshmaelZ said:
It was variously Boris himself, and Boris sidekicks briefing the Telegraph, who indicated that it would be days before a decision was made. Let's all celebrate his inability to formulate a plan and stick to it for three minutes.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
"Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him." Max Hastings.
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What is really fucking tiresome is the suggestion that if you think Johnson is a bit of an arse, you must secretly hate your country and want everyone in it to die horribly.Gardenwalker said:
If we can deliver the plan he outlined this evening (his best performance to date), I will of course be delighted.MarqueeMark said:
I have said loudly that Boris is a complete twat for the way he has been taken in on his energy policy.Gardenwalker said:Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
Even Big G and Carlotta make the occasional criticism.
But on Covid, he is no worse than many other world leaders - and may yet prove to be well ahead of most. Today should give huge hope for that.
Surely, you want him to be ahead of most world leaders in defeating Covid?
And once more, with conviction.
It just surprises me how much Boris cock-smoking there is on this forum in opposition to all evidence (save his continued relative buoyancy in the polls).6 -
Jeez. He's got till 2024. If he isn't the PM to beat Covid then we've all got far bigger problems.Mexicanpete said:
What a daft assumption to make.MarqueeMark said:
It's the route for a successful one.YBarddCwsc said:
It is the job of a politician to be deep in the shit, yet come up smelling of roses.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
Jury's out until February/March; but there are plenty here so obviously terrified that he might just pull it off.
Boris detractors are terrified Johnson will be the UK Prime Minister to eventually beat Covid? Clearly we would all prefer to die of Coronavirus to prove him wrong.
Hats off to Johnson for the procurement of the vaccine. Hats off for little else.0 -
It never surprises me how much spite there is on here towards a PM who made fools of most of the bettors on this site - and who lost money because they could never seen him as a winner.Gardenwalker said:
If we can deliver the plan he outlined this evening (his best performance to date), I will of course be delighted.MarqueeMark said:
I have said loudly that Boris is a complete twat for the way he has been taken in on his energy policy.Gardenwalker said:Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
Even Big G and Carlotta make the occasional criticism.
But on Covid, he is no worse than many other world leaders - and may yet prove to be well ahead of most. Today should give huge hope for that.
Surely, you want him to be ahead of most world leaders in defeating Covid?
And once more, with conviction.
It just surprises me how much Boris cock-smoking there is on this forum in opposition to all evidence (save his continued relative buoyancy in the polls).
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I have indeed. Although most of my information about him comes from people who knew him much better, and it doesn't bear out Hastings' snide nonsense.IshmaelZ said:
Just for the data point, have you met the PM?BluestBlue said:
It would be fun to read some similarly-spiteful barbs about Mr. Hastings, but sadly no one seems to have given enough of a shit about him to make any...IshmaelZ said:
It was variously Boris himself, and Boris sidekicks briefing the Telegraph, who indicated that it would be days before a decision was made. Let's all celebrate his inability to formulate a plan and stick to it for three minutes.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
"Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him." Max Hastings.0 -
Wn't she be ex-Senator Loeffler by then?williamglenn said:0 -
I first heard him say it on Boxing Day and I hadn't heard anyone say it before that.YBarddCwsc said:
Just as a point of order, the strategy of giving a single dose is widely known (both in the general context of two dose vaccines and in the specific context of COVID) & had been discussed before.Roger said:
He did!FrancisUrquhart said:The world is very strange at the moment....Farage is now praising Tony Blair...claiming he forced government hand into going for the single dose strategy.
What wouldn't we give to have Tony around now.
Blair took the idea and he presented it as his own.
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Really? I would be surprised if most bettors on here dont win every year given the quality of tips available. The vast majority of us were on a big Tory win in 2019 as it was clear value based on the numbers, not because of our political views one way or the other.MarqueeMark said:
It never surprises me how much spite there is on here towards a PM who made fools of most of the bettors on this site - and who lost money because they could never seen him as a winner.Gardenwalker said:
If we can deliver the plan he outlined this evening (his best performance to date), I will of course be delighted.MarqueeMark said:
I have said loudly that Boris is a complete twat for the way he has been taken in on his energy policy.Gardenwalker said:Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
Even Big G and Carlotta make the occasional criticism.
But on Covid, he is no worse than many other world leaders - and may yet prove to be well ahead of most. Today should give huge hope for that.
Surely, you want him to be ahead of most world leaders in defeating Covid?
And once more, with conviction.
It just surprises me how much Boris cock-smoking there is on this forum in opposition to all evidence (save his continued relative buoyancy in the polls).
Mwhahahahahaha!0 -
Attlee, Blair, even Gordon Brown saw no problem posing with the Union Jack and as patriots, Starmer knows to become PM he must do the same.Mexicanpete said:
It proves what we on the left already knew, Starmer is a Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Starmer was sitting in front of the union jack todayRoger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
You wouldn't catch Jezza selling out like that!
Corbyn looked like he would rather wave the Irish Tricolour or the Palestinian, Cuban or Iranian flags than his own and the voters reacted accordingly and handed him a landslide defeat0 -
The vote count will almost certainly not be completed in Georgia by the end of Wednesday when Congress certifies the EC votesBenpointer said:
Wn't she be ex-Senator Loeffler by then?williamglenn said:0 -
I know several people who were on the GLA when he was mayor, and the only way their opinions differ from Hastings' is that they are more disparaging of him.BluestBlue said:
I have indeed. Although most of my information about him comes from people who knew him much better, and it doesn't bear out Hastings' snide nonsense.IshmaelZ said:
Just for the data point, have you met the PM?BluestBlue said:
It would be fun to read some similarly-spiteful barbs about Mr. Hastings, but sadly no one seems to have given enough of a shit about him to make any...IshmaelZ said:
It was variously Boris himself, and Boris sidekicks briefing the Telegraph, who indicated that it would be days before a decision was made. Let's all celebrate his inability to formulate a plan and stick to it for three minutes.MarqueeMark said:Funny times. We were being assured just this morning by the Boris-haters that we'd have to wait days for him to announce what he has announced today.
We now stand a good chance of coming out of Covid weeks before many EU countries. If Boris pulls that off, there is going to be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of Biblical proportions....
"Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him." Max Hastings.0 -
"bit of an arse"? There are people on here tonight who have called for our freely elected PM with an 80 seat majority to be swinging on a rope beneath a London bridge.IshmaelZ said:
What is really fucking tiresome is the suggestion that if you think Johnson is a bit of an arse, you must secretly hate your country and want everyone in it to die horribly.Gardenwalker said:
If we can deliver the plan he outlined this evening (his best performance to date), I will of course be delighted.MarqueeMark said:
I have said loudly that Boris is a complete twat for the way he has been taken in on his energy policy.Gardenwalker said:Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
Even Big G and Carlotta make the occasional criticism.
But on Covid, he is no worse than many other world leaders - and may yet prove to be well ahead of most. Today should give huge hope for that.
Surely, you want him to be ahead of most world leaders in defeating Covid?
And once more, with conviction.
It just surprises me how much Boris cock-smoking there is on this forum in opposition to all evidence (save his continued relative buoyancy in the polls).
You do not secretly hate your country.0 -
That should help get the Dems out in Ga.....williamglenn said:0 -
Now you come to mention it..IshmaelZ said:
What is really fucking tiresome is the suggestion that if you think Johnson is a bit of an arse, you must secretly hate your country and want everyone in it to die horribly.Gardenwalker said:
If we can deliver the plan he outlined this evening (his best performance to date), I will of course be delighted.MarqueeMark said:
I have said loudly that Boris is a complete twat for the way he has been taken in on his energy policy.Gardenwalker said:Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
Even Big G and Carlotta make the occasional criticism.
But on Covid, he is no worse than many other world leaders - and may yet prove to be well ahead of most. Today should give huge hope for that.
Surely, you want him to be ahead of most world leaders in defeating Covid?
And once more, with conviction.
It just surprises me how much Boris cock-smoking there is on this forum in opposition to all evidence (save his continued relative buoyancy in the polls).0 -
Even Tony when announcing we were going to war managed to talk to the nation without a set of flags behind him. This is Johnson aping Trump. Nothing moreRobD said:
What a tedious attack line. It'd resonate more if you were equally damning of Macron, Merkel etc. for appearing in front of theirs.Roger said:He looks ill. Can't he sit in front of a camera without a Union Jack behind him?
Does he think he's the Queen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNUCD4F4T1c
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Well that’s not me, as I don’t bet and I never doubted he would win any election in 2019.MarqueeMark said:
It never surprises me how much spite there is on here towards a PM who made fools of most of the bettors on this site - and who lost money because they could never seen him as a winner.Gardenwalker said:
If we can deliver the plan he outlined this evening (his best performance to date), I will of course be delighted.MarqueeMark said:
I have said loudly that Boris is a complete twat for the way he has been taken in on his energy policy.Gardenwalker said:Is MarqueeMark one of Boris’s lovers?
Even Big G and Carlotta make the occasional criticism.
But on Covid, he is no worse than many other world leaders - and may yet prove to be well ahead of most. Today should give huge hope for that.
Surely, you want him to be ahead of most world leaders in defeating Covid?
And once more, with conviction.
It just surprises me how much Boris cock-smoking there is on this forum in opposition to all evidence (save his continued relative buoyancy in the polls).
Mwhahahahahaha!
My spite is simply because he’s a terrible leader. He is not even a good campaigner; he spent most of the 2019 election campaign hiding from the cameras and his most notable outing was astride a bulldozer.
He’s a terrible speaker, proverbially dishonest, and famously lazy. Why anyone of at least average IQ has the slightest time of day for him I cannot fathom.1 -
Or the 49.3% of Georgians who voted Trump, Perdue and Loeffler cannot win without themCarlottaVance said:
That should help get the Dems out in Ga.....williamglenn said:0
