The Oxford/AZ vaccine gets approved – now ministers needs to ensure that it gets out quickly and in
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Next on the order paper: voting to confirm the Earth is flat....except Scotland, obviously. That has Ben Nevis.CarlottaVance said:Oh dear, what a shame.
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I heard correctly - from the Independent
"Essex is requesting military assistance to help increase hospital capacity and help with the vaccine rollout and testing in schools, Tory MP Sir Bernard Jenkin has said.
The MP for Harwich and North Essex told the Commons: "I can confirm to (Matt Hancock) that Essex has declared a major incident and can I also inform him that at this very moment they are submitting a request for military assistance to the civil authority, a MACA request to assist with the construction of community hospitals, additional hospital capacity and supported by the armed forces and party staffed by the armed forces."0 -
As usual Contrarian talks bollockswilliamglenn said:
How many people require hospitalisation? How many more cases would be fatal if they were unable to get treatment?contrarian said:
In 99.7% of cases, so what?williamglenn said:
If R stays about 1 despite the lockdown then it will go through the population faster than we can vaccinate.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its going to be summer at best...given limitations on supply, massive undertaking on rollout and how widespread / infectious cockney covid is.solarflare said:
Was it not basically like two days ago all the newspapers were talking about the end of February being the start of easing? Bollocks now with those numbers, surely even the Easter timetable is already slipping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
530,000 for first week in January and scaling up after so over 2 million by the beginning of FebruaryFrankBooth said:How many AZ vaccines by February?
My son has had a hospital appointment cancelled for next week due to the pressures
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We could dry dock every ship, ground every plane, put every last one of our Armed Forces into testing in schools, and we still wouldn't have enough people to do what the government's planning.Floater said:I heard correctly - from the Independent
"Essex is requesting military assistance to help increase hospital capacity and help with the vaccine rollout and testing in schools, Tory MP Sir Bernard Jenkin has said.
The MP for Harwich and North Essex told the Commons: "I can confirm to (Matt Hancock) that Essex has declared a major incident and can I also inform him that at this very moment they are submitting a request for military assistance to the civil authority, a MACA request to assist with the construction of community hospitals, additional hospital capacity and supported by the armed forces and party staffed by the armed forces."
It's a complete gimmick, at vast expense.0 -
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Belgium has had a strict lockdown for a long time and is still almost at the top of the list of countries worst affected by Covid-19.0
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At a guess, a decimal point.Scott_xP said:0 -
What went wrong? I have an idea.Scott_xP said:
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According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:2 -
In a year of great unpredictability, this stat still floors me:
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He believed them?Scott_xP said:0 -
Scott never mentioned that - can't imagine why......Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:1 -
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AIUI, only one of their parties thinks that, and at that the one that has always been most Eurosceptic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:
Admittedly, also the one currently leading in the polls.0 -
It's not "according to Norway", but "according to a Eurosceptic opposition party looking to score points against the Norwegian government".Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:1 -
Boris live in no 10 signing the treaty0
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I think holding the 30 million claim against AZN might be a bit unfair, but only 2 months ago they still promised 4 million by now....i mean by that stage you should really have a handle on how to produce at scale and what rate you can do it.0
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Contraction in supply, meaning people were less likely to haggle?MarqueeMark said:In a year of great unpredictability, this stat still floors me:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55483432
Might lead to a fall as we come out of restrictions.0 -
Does that mean Scotland now has it own No Deal with the EU? *innocent face*CarlottaVance said:Oh dear, what a shame.
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And it is truewilliamglenn said:
It's not "according to Norway", but "according to a Eurosceptic opposition party looking to score points against the Norwegian government".Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:0 -
There's no surprise at the DfE. They're boringly predictable at always organising a complete clusterfuck.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:1 -
More than 1 I thinkydoethur said:
AIUI, only one of their parties thinks that, and at that the one that has always been most Eurosceptic.Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:
Admittedly, also the one currently leading in the polls.
"Arnstad is not the only politician complaining, the leader of the Norwegian Socialist Party’s EEA committee, Heming Olaussen, also believes that the British agreement with the EU is better than the EEA, “because the British escape the European Court of Justice. Then they are no longer subject to EU supremacy and must not accept any EU legislation in the future as we must. This agreement is qualitatively different and safeguards national sovereignty in a better way than the EEA does for us”.0 -
"We" - I didn't realize you were working in the labs there. Thank you for your service to the country.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're doing the proper work on sequencing/analysing the plague.Mortimer said:
Where is the Cambridge vaccine?TheScreamingEagles said:
Told you not to place your faith in the University of Oxford.FrancisUrquhart said:What the bloody hell.have they been up to for months? I thought the big advantage of AZN / OXford vaccine was well established how to make it at scale and they would be making millions of doses well in advance of any potential approval.
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If Margot Robbie walked into my bedroom and tore her clothes off, I would shag her brains out.TheScreamingEagles said:
There is a fairly significant 'if' in that, however.7 -
My dealings with the education establishment over the years make me believe that the needs of children are not exactly at the top of their prioritiesydoethur said:
There's no surprise at the DfE. They're boringly predictable at always organising a complete clusterfuck.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:0 -
And younger posters I generally add 10-15 years to until the truth is discovered.MarqueeMark said:
You always come across as a much younger poster than that. (As in energy, rather than immaturity, I might add!)Barnesian said:
I've just had my jab at my local surgery. I'm in the 75-79 age cohort. My surgery intends to do 3,000 vaccinations of this cohort today. Their organisation is impressive. It includes sitting with a cup of tea for 15 minutes after the jab to make sure you don't keel over. I didn't keel over.JohnLilburne said:
As at 20 December, in England, 366,715 over-80s and 154,879 16-79 year olds had had their first jabs. Unless there is a priority group I am unaware of, the latter figure should be predominantly health and care home workers https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/Malmesbury said:
Something else to think of.LostPassword said:
Maybe. When things were (maybe still are?) very bad in Liege, in Belgium, in the autumn they were asking asymptomatic staff to work in the Covid wards.Philip_Thompson said:
Which is another reason the best thing for the NHS is to protect the 1.6 million first before doctors and nurses.LostPassword said:
Most of the trials didn't test whether people were infected, only if they were showing symptoms.kinabalu said:
The point I do not fully get is this one about "does the vaccine stop you spreading it?" This is apparently not proven by the trials but I don't understand why not. We know it reduces the chance of being infected. So the inference here is it might be possible to pass on the virus without being infected yourself? Is that it?DavidL said:
I think that is a good way to look at it and a good reason for our current ranking of priorities. This disease is not equal opportunity. The vast majority of 21 year olds who get it will not be ill at all. Many may not even know that they've had it. We all want to get to that stage as fast as possible but especially those who are likely to suffer serious complications as a result.kinabalu said:
Yes, that looms large in my thinking. I'd accept a higher chance of catching it in exchange for a lower chance of getting seriously ill. I'd accept being 21 again, as it were.DavidL said:
From the national as opposed to the personal interest it is really the first of these "other things" that is the key. If you are unlucky enough to catch the virus anyway despite your improved chances you are unlikely to need hospital treatment.kinabalu said:
Very interesting question. Hope others more viro'd up answer but here is my take -NickPalmer said:Do we have any idea whether x% effectiveness means
(1) "x% of the population become immune with this vaccine, and can meet infected people all the time and never catch it" or
(2) "everyone has a reduction of x% in the probability of catching the infection on any one occasion exposed to it"?
If (1) were the case, then if x is high (e.g. Pfizer's 95%), we might start behaving normally. In particular, NHS staff who meet infected people all the time might be well-prrotected. If (2) is the case then we still need to socially distance etc. until the spread drops so far that you rarely meet an infected person (because you'll still catch it if you keep meeting them, just "100-x%" of time you would have caught it before).
Unfortunately, I'm not sure we can answer this?
A vax effectiveness of 90% means that if I take it my risk of becoming infected is 10% of what it would be if I did not take it.
So, for example, if my condition and lifestyle means I have a 50% chance of getting Covid in the next 3 months, if I take the vaccine, all else being equal, my chance of getting it drops to 5%.
And then hopefully the vax does 2 other things for me. It reduces the chance of me getting VERY sick if I do get it. And it stops me somehow spreading it despite not having it.
So it's possible that the vaccines prevented the symptoms, but not the infection - so a vaccinated person could still spread the virus asymptomatically to a person who hasn't received the vaccine.
Preventing the symptoms and thus hospitalisations will go a long way to reducing the strain on the NHS. But if a doctor or nurse gets the vaccine, becomes an asymptomatic carrier and then tests positive they'll still have to be removed from the front line even though they're vaccinated.
If the system is on the verge of collapse it's the sort of decision that becomes necessary.
I don't think the detail of the vaccine rollout will end up making the crucial difference. The critical factor is: Can restrictions in lockdown three reduce the infection rate?
If they can't then the vaccination programme isn't going to have an effect fast enough to prevent collapse of the hospital system.
We'll find out whether the infection rate is coming under control during next week - when they'll only just be starting to use the AZN vaccine.
We are well north of 800,000 first doses.
the policy so far has been to aim for
75% over 80s
20% care home staff
5% NHS staff
The earliest numbers suggest that about 70% over 80s is being achieved, with the balance being taken up by NHS staff.
if 5% - 40,000 NHS staff
if 10% - 80,000 NHS staff
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-nurse-numbers-continue-rising-with-13840-more-than-last-year
Assuming these are all frontline staff (not actually the case) - somewhere between 10 and 20% of the NHS medical workforce have received their first jab.0 -
Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated
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Do you have any misleading statistics from Toby Young to share with us today?contrarian said:
In 99.7% of cases, so what?williamglenn said:
If R stays about 1 despite the lockdown then it will go through the population faster than we can vaccinate.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its going to be summer at best...given limitations on supply, massive undertaking on rollout and how widespread / infectious cockney covid is.solarflare said:
Was it not basically like two days ago all the newspapers were talking about the end of February being the start of easing? Bollocks now with those numbers, surely even the Easter timetable is already slipping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
530,000 for first week in January and scaling up after so over 2 million by the beginning of FebruaryFrankBooth said:How many AZ vaccines by February?
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Daily deaths 981. We're in the shit, lads.0
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If Johnson is spinning like that, there must still be very, very significant unrest in the tory party, brexit or no brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Surely, only "when"...?ydoethur said:
If Margot Robbie walked into my bedroom and tore her clothes off, I would shag her brains out.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Or perhaps comments on the statistics of female politicians? (I hasten to add, from Mr Young, not Mr Contrarian himself.)AlwaysSinging said:
Do you have any misleading statistics from Toby Young to share with us today?contrarian said:
In 99.7% of cases, so what?williamglenn said:
If R stays about 1 despite the lockdown then it will go through the population faster than we can vaccinate.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its going to be summer at best...given limitations on supply, massive undertaking on rollout and how widespread / infectious cockney covid is.solarflare said:
Was it not basically like two days ago all the newspapers were talking about the end of February being the start of easing? Bollocks now with those numbers, surely even the Easter timetable is already slipping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
530,000 for first week in January and scaling up after so over 2 million by the beginning of FebruaryFrankBooth said:How many AZ vaccines by February?
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Valencian Community. The president of the Illustrious Official College of Physicians of Valencia, Mercedes Hurtado, has stated that "in terms of health there should be a total confinement" in this community because, in her opinion, the situation of the coronavirus pandemic "cries out to heaven" and there will be "a authentic January cost "after the holidays and family gatherings, as he has assured in an interview in the Ser, collected by Europa Press a day after the Valencian Community has registered 3,590 new positives of coronavirus, the highest number of the pandemic, and 60 deaths, the second highest number of deaths.1
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You're ahead of me. Dealing with the DfE for 15 years I have come to the conclusion that the needs of children or indeed university students do not figure in their priorities in any way.Floater said:
My dealings with the education establishment over the years make me believe that the needs of children are not exactly at the top of their prioritiesydoethur said:
There's no surprise at the DfE. They're boringly predictable at always organising a complete clusterfuck.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:1 -
Well yes, we are, but I recall someone (rcs I think) saying over a week ago that this Wednesday was likely to be a very very had one for deaths.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Daily deaths 981. We're in the shit, lads.
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Norway has financial services passporting and participation in regulatory agencies like the EMA.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it is truewilliamglenn said:
It's not "according to Norway", but "according to a Eurosceptic opposition party looking to score points against the Norwegian government".Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:0 -
No wonder he's got his own photographer. He's looking worse by the day. At least included in the £100,000 is a decent retoucher.williamglenn said:0 -
This is my favourite:AlwaysSinging said:
Do you have any misleading statistics from Toby Young to share with us today?contrarian said:
In 99.7% of cases, so what?williamglenn said:
If R stays about 1 despite the lockdown then it will go through the population faster than we can vaccinate.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its going to be summer at best...given limitations on supply, massive undertaking on rollout and how widespread / infectious cockney covid is.solarflare said:
Was it not basically like two days ago all the newspapers were talking about the end of February being the start of easing? Bollocks now with those numbers, surely even the Easter timetable is already slipping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
530,000 for first week in January and scaling up after so over 2 million by the beginning of FebruaryFrankBooth said:How many AZ vaccines by February?
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FFS.FrancisUrquhart said:Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9099049/Questions-Britains-decision-drop-two-dose-vaccine-regimen.html
This government really has screwed the pooch.
I retract all the nice comments I said about the government's approach on vaccines.1 -
Yes Minister said that the DES (as it was) never mentions children - their important interest group is the teachers' unions.ydoethur said:
You're ahead of me. Dealing with the DfE for 15 years I have come to the conclusion that the needs of children or indeed university students do not figure in their priorities in any way.Floater said:
My dealings with the education establishment over the years make me believe that the needs of children are not exactly at the top of their prioritiesydoethur said:
There's no surprise at the DfE. They're boringly predictable at always organising a complete clusterfuck.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:2 -
And there is disquiet in Norway whether you like it or notwilliamglenn said:
Norway has financial services passporting and participation in regulatory agencies like the EMA.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And it is truewilliamglenn said:
It's not "according to Norway", but "according to a Eurosceptic opposition party looking to score points against the Norwegian government".Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:0 -
With as estimate like that, they should take over HS2, all defence procurement and government IT contracts, and we'd hardly notice the difference except for a slight improvement.FrancisUrquhart said:How can you promise 4 million doses only 8 weeks ago (for now) and only make 500k....i have had builders with more accurate estimates of deliverables than that!
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Cases not quite as horrendous as yesterday....
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Not sure I've ever seen the word 'if' do so much heavy lifting as in that tweet.contrarian said:
If Johnson is spinning like that, there must still be very, very significant unrest in the tory party, brexit or no brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:1 -
The land isn’t worth a huge amount (if the farmer could have done something productive with it then he wouldn’t have rented it to you).DavidL said:
I don't think that it would affect the valuation given to the house by surveyors (and hence mortgage lenders) much either way but yes, speaking personally a big garden to look after is not a selling point.Stocky said:
Thanks. You say that it would make my house more attractive to buyers who want a big garden. But could the converse also be true? I`m not sure which would weigh heavier. The last thing I want to do is to buy the land and it decrease the value of my house.DavidL said:
These are mainly questions for a surveyor rather than a lawyer. When we bought our current house there was a mistake in the title in that the developer had whipped a bit of land belonging to the school and incorporated it into our gardens. I consulted a surveyor friend who told me that the loss of the garden ground would not affect their calculation of the value of the house on the basis of the RICS tables but he acknowledged that it would make the house harder to sell.Stocky said:A cheeky question for the lawyers out there.
I may have a chance to buy 1/3rd acre of land behind by garden. I currently rent it from the landowner. How can a fair price be established? Would it be a multiple of the rent or is there a per acre guide for "garden land". There is no development potential and the land is on a slope and is no use to a farmer or as a horse paddock.
Alternatively, would the adjusted garden size - which would be increasing sixfold I guess - put value on my house? And if so would the current landowner argue for the extra value?
Finally, would there be a separate land ownership for the land in isolation with the land registry, or would the boundaries of my current plot be expanded to envelope the new land? Are there any stamp duty implications either way?
Any help much appreciated.
In your case I would expect the reverse. It won't significantly increase the value of the house but it will make the house more attractive to buyers who want a big garden.
So far as value is concerned a multiple of the rent seems a sensible way to measure it because that is what the farmer is giving up in exchange for the title. Of course there is no guarantee for him that the next owner of your house would want the land so some discount on the multiplier would be appropriate. I would suggest that maybe 5x, possibly with a contribution to legal costs, would seem a reasonable ball park.
I am not an English lawyer. In Scotland you would get a separate land certificate for the new bit of land and the 2 would be incorporated when you sold the lot. Either way I can't see that affecting the SDLT.
Regarding the multiplier - the local owner is a large estate, not a farmer. They play the long game with passing the estate through the generations in the uppermost of their minds. There is no way that 5x the rent would cut it. I`d be surprised if they went under 25 x.
Even at current interest rates 25x seems completely excessive. As I say they have the risk that you or any subsequent owner of your house would not want the land and they are stuck with a bit of ground that you say is of no use to them. They therefore do not have the equivalent of a gilt with a guaranteed return. That is why I would have thought a discount was applicable. As @Gallowgate said you could seek advice from a surveyor but I think that the real question is how much it is worth to you. If its less than the estate wants then you may not have a deal.
Be careful, though, about incorporating into the garden as a buyer may be worried about the maintenance effort. It may be better to include some if you want but basically keep as a paddock you own.
There are probably no other buyers (depending on the access to the land that doesn’tt go via your house or the neighbours farm).
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I was being kind - They tried to break my wife and I emotionally and financially rather than do the right thing.ydoethur said:
You're ahead of me. Dealing with the DfE for 15 years I have come to the conclusion that the needs of children or indeed university students do not figure in their priorities in any way.Floater said:
My dealings with the education establishment over the years make me believe that the needs of children are not exactly at the top of their prioritiesydoethur said:
There's no surprise at the DfE. They're boringly predictable at always organising a complete clusterfuck.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Luckily we were mentally strong enough and financially robust enough to fight them - but we needed the help of Sir Bob Russell (ex mp for Colchester) and a judge who basically told Essex to stop being dick heads to get him the hep he needed.1 -
Well, actually that isn't true either. In fact, the DfE spends most of its time slagging off the teachers' unions.Fishing said:
Yes Minister said that the DES (as it was) never mentions children - their important interest group is the teachers' unions.ydoethur said:
You're ahead of me. Dealing with the DfE for 15 years I have come to the conclusion that the needs of children or indeed university students do not figure in their priorities in any way.Floater said:
My dealings with the education establishment over the years make me believe that the needs of children are not exactly at the top of their prioritiesydoethur said:
There's no surprise at the DfE. They're boringly predictable at always organising a complete clusterfuck.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Their one constant point of interest is trying to resurrect their own careers. Doesn't matter what damage they do along the way.1 -
Yes, the differences between them hardly matters much. I figured they'd go one last national lockdown before 2020 ends, but looks like they really really did not want to announce a third national one.FrancisUrquhart said:Would have not been just easier to have another national lockdown, as essentially everybody is Tier 3/4.
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"refuses to acknowledge there will be new barriers..." Just more lying. If he would just say "yes there will be some barriers that increase costs for business, but we judged that it was worth it so we could have more control over our country" then I would have a lot more respect for him and where he is taking us. It's just the bare faced dishonesty that gets me.Scott_xP said:0 -
All of them.Theuniondivvie said:Which tier allows rimming?
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Aye, but the valiant 57.2% of Scottish Covid is holding the line against this bastard sassenach invader.....CarlottaVance said:It's everywhere:
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Is he an astronomer?kle4 said:
Well yes, we are, but I recall someone (rcs I think) saying over a week ago that this Wednesday was likely to be a very very had one for deaths.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Daily deaths 981. We're in the shit, lads.
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You mean the JVIC, they're the ones recommending moving to "up to 12 weeks".TheScreamingEagles said:
FFS.FrancisUrquhart said:Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9099049/Questions-Britains-decision-drop-two-dose-vaccine-regimen.html
This government really has screwed the pooch.
I retract all the nice comments I said about the government's approach on vaccines.
Are you saying the government should ignore their advice?
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Do we have piles of Pfizer going to waste for want of patients, or are thousands of NHS workers valiantly soldiering on whilst the crumblies have sucked up all the supplies? It can't be both. We should only alter the regime once all NHS workers (if they can't show up to NHS appointments at the right time, there's something seriously wrong) have got it.FrancisUrquhart said:Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated
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One error does not undo all good work. However although various people had urged them to take such action with the Pfizer it does not seem defendable if the company itself is saying there is not proof that will work.TheScreamingEagles said:
FFS.FrancisUrquhart said:Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9099049/Questions-Britains-decision-drop-two-dose-vaccine-regimen.html
This government really has screwed the pooch.
I retract all the nice comments I said about the government's approach on vaccines.0 -
50023. Howe did we reach such a figure? Time to Hoover up the virus.
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I am no particular fan of Young and wanted someone to prove him wrong. Nobody did, really. I guess inconvenient truths are always 'misleading' though, aren't they.Carnyx said:
Or perhaps comments on the statistics of female politicians? (I hasten to add, from Mr Young, not Mr Contrarian himself.)AlwaysSinging said:
Do you have any misleading statistics from Toby Young to share with us today?contrarian said:
In 99.7% of cases, so what?williamglenn said:
If R stays about 1 despite the lockdown then it will go through the population faster than we can vaccinate.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its going to be summer at best...given limitations on supply, massive undertaking on rollout and how widespread / infectious cockney covid is.solarflare said:
Was it not basically like two days ago all the newspapers were talking about the end of February being the start of easing? Bollocks now with those numbers, surely even the Easter timetable is already slipping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
530,000 for first week in January and scaling up after so over 2 million by the beginning of FebruaryFrankBooth said:How many AZ vaccines by February?
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Isn't it the Euoskeptic Center Party that's flying that kite?Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:
In other news I fear I have to enlighten you regarding Farage and his attitude to the EU.
We haven't heard any updates from you on the attitude of your fishing relatives from NE Scotland for a while. It would be great to get an on-the-ground report on reactions to BJ's great deal.0 -
He is multi talented, so perhaps, but more likely it is 1 clear working day after the Christmas break, so seemes probable an already bad situation would look even worse on this day.Roger said:
Is he an astronomer?kle4 said:
Well yes, we are, but I recall someone (rcs I think) saying over a week ago that this Wednesday was likely to be a very very had one for deaths.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Daily deaths 981. We're in the shit, lads.
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Frank Spencer rides again.1
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This is a car crash, not a falling house.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Frank Spencer rides again.
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Williamson explaining how circumstances have changed....0
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Well when Pfizerr 'warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart' I'm doubting JVIC.CarlottaVance said:
You mean the JVIC, they're the ones recommending moving to "up to 12 weeks".TheScreamingEagles said:
FFS.FrancisUrquhart said:Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9099049/Questions-Britains-decision-drop-two-dose-vaccine-regimen.html
This government really has screwed the pooch.
I retract all the nice comments I said about the government's approach on vaccines.
Are you saying the government should ignore their advice?0 -
How does it go?williamglenn said:
It's not "according to Norway", but "according to a Eurosceptic opposition party looking to score points against the Norwegian government".Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:
Big_G never mentioned that - can't imagine why......0 -
He has just misled the house.
He said schools were 'as covid secure as possible.'
That is not true. In fact, it is absolutely untrue.2 -
Hahahahahacontrarian said:
I am no particular fan of Young and wanted someone to prove him wrong. Nobody did, really. I guess inconvenient truths are always 'misleading' though, aren't they.Carnyx said:
Or perhaps comments on the statistics of female politicians? (I hasten to add, from Mr Young, not Mr Contrarian himself.)AlwaysSinging said:
Do you have any misleading statistics from Toby Young to share with us today?contrarian said:
In 99.7% of cases, so what?williamglenn said:
If R stays about 1 despite the lockdown then it will go through the population faster than we can vaccinate.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its going to be summer at best...given limitations on supply, massive undertaking on rollout and how widespread / infectious cockney covid is.solarflare said:
Was it not basically like two days ago all the newspapers were talking about the end of February being the start of easing? Bollocks now with those numbers, surely even the Easter timetable is already slipping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
530,000 for first week in January and scaling up after so over 2 million by the beginning of FebruaryFrankBooth said:How many AZ vaccines by February?
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That has to be one of the stupidest remarks made on the covid pandemic since its outbreak.Foxy said:
This is my favourite:AlwaysSinging said:
Do you have any misleading statistics from Toby Young to share with us today?contrarian said:
In 99.7% of cases, so what?williamglenn said:
If R stays about 1 despite the lockdown then it will go through the population faster than we can vaccinate.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its going to be summer at best...given limitations on supply, massive undertaking on rollout and how widespread / infectious cockney covid is.solarflare said:
Was it not basically like two days ago all the newspapers were talking about the end of February being the start of easing? Bollocks now with those numbers, surely even the Easter timetable is already slipping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
530,000 for first week in January and scaling up after so over 2 million by the beginning of FebruaryFrankBooth said:How many AZ vaccines by February?
--AS
https://twitter.com/edmorrish/status/1343878018129948672?s=19
Almost as stupid as '3 week lockdown to beef up capacity in the NHS'
Which we now know was impossible0 -
In England primary schools to open on the 4th January0
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Citing Lamdhani again to say the virus isn't spread in schools.
I said this was a dangerous study.0 -
Of course there isn't "proof" for something they haven't testedFrancisUrquhart said:Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9099049/Questions-Britains-decision-drop-two-dose-vaccine-regimen.html
The JVIC have made a judgement on the risk (lower effectiveness) / reward (more people get some protection sooner) of what they're doing.
Time will tell whether they're right, but I'm pretty sure they've had a stronger basis than "Tony Blair said so on the radio".
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Indeed. And the immature 'cakeism' doesn't do him any favours either. I'm tempted to say he should grow up but at the age of 56 it's unlikely now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
"refuses to acknowledge there will be new barriers..." Just more lying. If he would just say "yes there will be some barriers that increase costs for business, but we judged that it was worth it so we could have more control over our country" then I would have a lot more respect for him and where he is taking us. It's just the bare faced dishonesty that gets me.Scott_xP said:
To be clear the debate is whether we have a better arrangement with the EU than Norway. That is hardly having your cake and eating it.0 -
I take it he does know most schools will have INSET on Monday?Big_G_NorthWales said:In England primary schools to open on the 4th January
He should say, 'next week.'1 -
So:
981 deaths announced.
Essex calls in the military for desperate help with the ill.
Professor Whitty is seen working over Christmas in a ward to help with the extreme overstretch.
Meanwhile, Toby Young (the one who keeps calling Professor Whitty “Witless” for his strange insistence that there is, in fact, a problem) keeps penning pieces on how the NHS are doing fine, less stretched than in other years, and they’re just making it up when they say that there’s a problem from these false positives.
At what point do his readers finally conclude that he’s delusional or crooked?1 -
In other news, I'm off to Alnwick Castle Gardens tonight to see their light show. The only thing worth looking forward to for another 6 months probably.0
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That depends what they read him for. If he's providing something they want, being wrong doesn't matter.Andy_Cooke said:So:
981 deaths announced.
Essex calls in the military for desperate help with the ill.
Professor Whitty is seen working over Christmas in a ward to help with the extreme overstretch.
Meanwhile, Toby Young (the one who keeps calling Professor Whitty “Witless” for his strange insistence that there is, in fact, a problem) keeps penning pieces on how the NHS are doing fine, less stretched than in other years, and they’re just making it up when they say that there’s a problem from these false positives.
At what point do his readers finally conclude that he’s delusional or crooked?1 -
Again, he is talking complete bullshit. Unless he is giving a full month (edit - and he isn't) the mass testing regime is going to be completely inoperable, rather than merely totally useless.
This government is genuinely evil.1 -
Primaries to open 4 Jan except in a limited number of areas with sharply rising case numbers
Secondary exam year pupils return on the 11th, non-exam years on 18th Jan
Phased return for students through Jan1 -
In defence of Toby Young (not someone I know, or read anything by, or have any particular desire to defend), I was a bit puzzled by the furore over his 'faked' picture of an empty ICU ward I saw on here yesterday. I thought it was a pretty automatic assumption that he'd used a stock image of an empty ICU ward to illustrate his blog (PB style), as opposed to him actually claiming he'd gone undercover in the NHS and the image was some sort of scoop.1
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I'm going for crooked given how he's stopped talking about Sweden.Andy_Cooke said:So:
981 deaths announced.
Essex calls in the military for desperate help with the ill.
Professor Whitty is seen working over Christmas in a ward to help with the extreme overstretch.
Meanwhile, Toby Young (the one who keeps calling Professor Whitty “Witless” for his strange insistence that there is, in fact, a problem) keeps penning pieces on how the NHS are doing fine, less stretched than in other years, and they’re just making it up when they say that there’s a problem from these false positives.
At what point do his readers finally conclude that he’s delusional or crooked?
If he was delusional he'd still be banging on about following Sweden.3 -
No mention of what's happening to next week's exams yet.
He does know they're scheduled, doesn't he?1 -
Pretty amazing paper demonstrating the heritability of adaptive immunity.
https://twitter.com/biorxivpreprint/status/13440030916167229721 -
On a pike at 16.15 would be best for the country.CarlottaVance said:Pike on at 16.15
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What is the point of delivering 50,000 devices to schools that don't have any pupils in?
@Morris_Dancer I need that space cannon please. Deliver to Codsall.0 -
I'd be surprised if he knew it was Wednesday.ydoethur said:No mention of what's happening to next week's exams yet.
He does know they're scheduled, doesn't he?5 -
Why are you upset that Norway may be concerned the UK has a good dealTheuniondivvie said:
Isn't it the Euoskeptic Center Party that's flying that kite?Big_G_NorthWales said:
According to Norway the UK has a better deal than their EEA one and are seeking to open negotiations with the the EU to improve their arrangements in line with the UK- EU dealScott_xP said:
In other news I fear I have to enlighten you regarding Farage and his attitude to the EU.
We haven't heard any updates from you on the attitude of your fishing relatives from NE Scotland for a while. It would be great to get an on-the-ground report on reactions to BJ's great deal.
As for Farage I have comprehensively condemned him in my posts over years
It is a far better deal than the SNP plunging them back into the CFP and not to mention the 100 million support from HMG0 -
I have more sympathy with your concerns than many posters do. As I posted earlier, we are in such a risk-averse place that "getting out" seems inconceivable, and I am worried that even the vaccinations will not reverse the mind-set even when we get over 2/3rds vaccinated. The virus will still be here, and in other nations, and that fact will buoy demand for continuing restrictions, at least while Sunak`s financial support is still forthcoming.contrarian said:
By which time Autumn will be coming. New diseases, new variants, new lockdowns!FrancisUrquhart said:
Its going to be summer at best...given limitations on supply, massive undertaking on rollout and how widespread / infectious cockney covid is.solarflare said:
Was it not basically like two days ago all the newspapers were talking about the end of February being the start of easing? Bollocks now with those numbers, surely even the Easter timetable is already slipping.Big_G_NorthWales said:
530,000 for first week in January and scaling up after so over 2 million by the beginning of FebruaryFrankBooth said:How many AZ vaccines by February?
We're not getting out. Ever.
I think we only get out of this when ALL of these conditions are met: 1) Over 50s vaccinated, 2) Sunak`s support ends (or at least is reduces significantly) and 3) other European countries relax restrictions first.
I hope I`m wrong.0 -
Useless by Williamson. We need to keep the schools closed until end Jan at the earliest. Certainly the secondary schools.2
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And it goes wider than that, with the effects of experiences and training and environment able somehow to pass through heredity in, for example, dogsNigelb said:Pretty amazing paper demonstrating the heritability of adaptive immunity.
https://twitter.com/biorxivpreprint/status/13440030916167229720
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