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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    eek said:

    It's worth reading Joe Saward's comments as he has named the likely options - although it seems to be bad news for George Russell.
    I read Joe’s comments too, but still can’t imagine that Russell gets dropped given he’s a Mercedes junior driver. Maybe New Williams are looking for a better price on the engine supply.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    Barnesian said:

    I was present at the births of all my children in 1970, 1971, 1973 and 1975. I was a key part of the team as I was the only person my wife would listen to. I relayed the message "push now".
    "New Man" before there was such a thing. :smile:
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    I meant many supply chain and setup companies for wind power in Texas are working at 100% capacity. Literally having customers say "sell me all of x you can get hold of".
    LOLs, thought it was some tag line, like the "Show Me" state.
  • Stocky said:

    You are stretching massively - Barnesian made it clear that it is an unbiased six-sided die.
    Plus last time Trafalgar shouted "it will be a six" repeatedly and were generally wrong. They hit a six in a state and then are perceived as a sage by ignoring all the times it wasn't a six elsewhere.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    Pulpstar said:

    I think sterling and the UK market loves any sort of deal at this point. Even if it's suboptimal - and Boris is good at putting lipstick on a pig. Frost/The Gov'ts behaviour I can recognise as that of a party in a somewhat weak position who are pushing as hard as they can to get the best deal possible. I'm quietly optimistic about prospects for a deal right now.
    Yes, I expect a disproportionate uplift in sterling because it's the uncertainty that's killing it at present.

    Mind you, if a vaccine is found and the new FTA beds-in well I'm not sure how much a stronger sterling will really help us next year if we are trying to climb out of a recession.

    Perhaps a nice problem to have though. I'm buying both UK and US funds in my stocks & shares ISA - I think both are underpriced.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, I will.

    My 2 are actually the same author. Rendell writes under Vine for her deeper 1st person narrative psychologicals.

    What I like is the deceptively skillful prose and story telling. The horror creeps up on you without you noticing and you often end up relating to the deranged protagonist because she makes the weird seem oddly rational.

    Also many are set in my part of London and you can read one in a couple of days.
    Also "Winterwood" by Patrick McCabe. A creepy masterpiece that really sticks with you:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Winterwood-Patrick-McCabe/dp/0747585989

    Ignore some of the reviews - don`t know their arse from their elbow.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    isam said:

    Have you listened to the Beach Boys "Til I Die" and "Surf's Up"?
    No, I don't think so. I'll do it today though. Always happy to fill in missing pieces.
  • TimT said:

    It's like the VP title in US banks.
    I have no idea what my job title currently is. Yes I am a Company Director of my own business. For my major client? I am them in the UK, so call me what you like - stepping off the corporate ladder where people get antsy about titles was part of the reason for going self employed.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    Fracking is very big in Pennsylvania. That's why Trump was in Eerie with the big screen showing Biden and Harris pledging to ban it.

    And of course they have Annacott Steel.....
    Fracking isn't a one way issue though. It is, of course extremely popular with those who work in it.
    Less so, with the many more who live near it. It may turn out to be a net neutral.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/10/trump-fracking-energy-climate-election-pennsylvania
  • kinabalu said:

    Yes, I will.

    My 2 are actually the same author. Rendell writes under Vine for her deeper 1st person narrative psychologicals.

    What I like is the deceptively skillful prose and story telling. The horror creeps up on you without you noticing and you often end up relating to the deranged protagonist because she makes the weird seem oddly rational.

    Also many are set in my part of London and you can read one in a couple of days.
    I used to be very keen on Rendell/Vine, read them all I think (and there aint going to be any more obvs, unless some ghastly ghostwriting moneymaking thing happens). I have to say latterly I went off the Vine books a bit; there seemed to me to be a misanthropic, contemptuous tinge, some of it directed at people at the bottom of the pecking order. Also her ornate character names got a bit irritating.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    In one bank, the chap who came with a trolley to take away/replace dead PCs was the "Vice President of Desktop Support Operations". Really.

    To make it perfect, they had taken away his two helper monkeys - and given hime the title. No more money.....

    I have been offered a job which would have made me a Director. With no-one reporting to me (architecture role).
    Sounds like the perfect job.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279

    Plus last time Trafalgar shouted "it will be a six" repeatedly and were generally wrong. They hit a six in a state and then are perceived as a sage by ignoring all the times it wasn't a six elsewhere.
    Reminds me of a telephone tipster scam that I thought of years ago but never implemented. You get a bunch of people (say 80) to call a number for a racing tip. You pick , say, a 8 runner race where there ideally is no clear favourite. You split the 80 callers into 8 groups of 10 and give each group a different tip so that you have covered the field. You then start charging the 10 who were on the winner for future tips cus they think you are a genius.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,320
    Sandpit said:

    Lewis in the ‘teens already, and on the hard tyres. They’ll be close to 70s laps by tomorrow afternoon! You bought a Cup car, you utter madman?
    There are teams going bust all over Europe, they will never be this cheap again. Mine is a LHD 2018 Benelux Cup car. 40 hrs on the motor and more importantly 7hrs on the transmission since rebuild. There is a bloke on the Swiss Porsche FB group who reckons there is a way to register cars with motorsport VINs in Lichtenstein for the street...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    rawzer said:

    I get the general principles of the Bayesian thing, priors etc, that is Silvers big driver too, but on here everyone hits HYFUD with the dice analogy and I just think that's kind of the wrong metaphor.

    I have had all kinds of problems with the Monty Hall Goats thing too btw, so free tutorials always welcome :)
    What would be interesting, and I don't know whether it's been done or not, would be to re-run the 538 predictions in 2016, but with modifications to opinion polls for the undersampling of High School or less voters.

    That way you'd have an estimate of how wrong the prediction was for that reason.

    One of the problems I have with probabilistic forecasts is that I can't help but reduce them to a deterministic forecast with a certainty attached. But they have a lot more information than that.

    They show where that uncertainty is, and what differences in the detail have the most impact on the overall result.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,728

    In Texas, the crazy boom spending in energy is now on wind. Oil is largely dead/dormant - lots of firms pivoting from pump jacks to putting in wind infrastructure.
    Indeed.
    The market has shifted dramatically from fossil fuels - and within five years, renewables will produce more energy globally than the next single largest source, coal.
    This article is largely about solar, which will shortly overtake wind in terms of global installed capacity, but much the same arguments apply.
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/solar-power-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-says-iea-39195/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,211

    Wind power is the future.

    It is cheaper now, without subsidies to build and maintain wind turbines than it is to dig out and burn coal.

    Plus wind is getting more and more economical annually as turbines become bigger and more efficient.
    The tidal/sea current version is of interest - the one where turbines are mounted on pylons off the sea bed. This has several interesting features -

    - out of the wave action zone. This is a killer for ocean engineering
    - out of the bottom zone. Another killer - debris from all but pure rock sea bed is a serious problem.
    - continuous/very predictable
    - power density - water moving represents vast amounts of energy.
    - scalable. You can put in one turbine and steadily scale to 1000. The problem with the tidal pond stuff is "first you invest 10 billion"
    - planning. Much easier to get planning for something that is sub-surface - should follow the offshore wind process, largely.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,728

    Hey man, you think Biden might win it?!!
    What about the singing canary?
    He doesn't believe anything communicated via Twitter...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    I read somewhere that the US is looking at positive GDP growth for 2020??

    That can't be right, can it?
    Probably not:

    According to the most recent forecast released at the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) meeting on Sept. 16, 2020, U.S. GDP growth is expected to contract by 3.7% in 2020. It may rebound up to a 4.0% growth rate in 2021. Growth could slow to 3.0% in 2022, and 2.5% in 2023.4

    https://www.thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited October 2020
    Stocky said:

    Reminds me of a telephone tipster scam that I thought of years ago but never implemented. You get a bunch of people (say 80) to call a number for a racing tip. You pick , say, a 8 runner race where there ideally is no clear favourite. You split the 80 callers into 8 groups of 10 and give each group a different tip so that you have covered the field. You then start charging the 10 who were on the winner for future tips cus they think you are a genius.
    That’s similar to what Derren Brown did for a show “The System” a few years back. He gave thousands of people random racing tips, and a handful of them ended up with half a dozen winners in a row and thought he was a genius tipster.
  • rawzerrawzer Posts: 189

    What would be interesting, and I don't know whether it's been done or not, would be to re-run the 538 predictions in 2016, but with modifications to opinion polls for the undersampling of High School or less voters.

    That way you'd have an estimate of how wrong the prediction was for that reason.

    One of the problems I have with probabilistic forecasts is that I can't help but reduce them to a deterministic forecast with a certainty attached. But they have a lot more information than that.

    They show where that uncertainty is, and what differences in the detail have the most impact on the overall result.
    I was wondering something sort of similar - might be a dumb question - but could the pollsters apply their 2016 weighting methodology to the current results they are seeing and show what the old methodology would have been saying now in terms of predicted results? would be interesting to see how much their changes have impacted the results they are showing
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    edited October 2020
    While I do not agree with Nicola over independence her speech just now demonstrates just why she is so popular as she outlines her 5 tier system recognising one fit does not suit all and emphasising she is trying to balance the health v wealth issue

    She does not rule out a total lockdown but is in many ways mirroring England, but she is in a league of her own in promoting her government and taking the people with her

    She says Scotland is not back at square one and they have more tools in the box to mitigate damage, and went onto say there are indications the level of infections are slowing

    She does have this natural ability to have a social conscience but also is very pro business and I recognise that quality in her

  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Wind power is the future.

    It is cheaper now, without subsidies to build and maintain wind turbines than it is to dig out and burn coal.

    Plus wind is getting more and more economical annually as turbines become bigger and more efficient.
    The future is fusion. Breakthroughs in superconducting magnet technology allow reactors to contain the superhot , super condensed plasma with lower energy input.

    Its really not that far away, now, I think. And that the good lord for that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Good to see Mrs Truss earning her air miles. Well done.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    What would be interesting, and I don't know whether it's been done or not, would be to re-run the 538 predictions in 2016, but with modifications to opinion polls for the undersampling of High School or less voters.

    That way you'd have an estimate of how wrong the prediction was for that reason.

    One of the problems I have with probabilistic forecasts is that I can't help but reduce them to a deterministic forecast with a certainty attached. But they have a lot more information than that.

    They show where that uncertainty is, and what differences in the detail have the most impact on the overall result.
    Indeed, most models should not be used for prediction, but to learn more about the system and its most critical parts.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited October 2020
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Probably not:

    According to the most recent forecast released at the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) meeting on Sept. 16, 2020, U.S. GDP growth is expected to contract by 3.7% in 2020. It may rebound up to a 4.0% growth rate in 2021. Growth could slow to 3.0% in 2022, and 2.5% in 2023.4

    https://www.thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669
    3.7 is a pretty good result, compared to our 10% and counting.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    Does anyone have a view as to medium-term GBP value post Covid-19 assuming a full FTA Brexit deal?

    My thinking is GBP/EUR approaching 1.25 and GBP/UDS flirting with 1.40 but others may have better insight.

    GBPEUR fell to 1.20 in the immediate aftermath of the Brexit vote, when the assumption of most was a very close relationship or even that Brexit might not happen. When May signalled single market and customs union exit in late 2016 it fell to around 1.10. We are now hoping for an FTA even less advantageous than May's proposals. On that basis the current 1.10 level doesn't look absurd. If we assume that builds in some no deal premium then there is some room for upside, so I could see 1.15 or maybe a bit above once a deal is done. I don't think the market believes there will really be no deal.
    We were at 1.20 in February but that was post-election euphoria, and the govt doubling down on a really minimalist deal combined with the Covid shambles and ballooning borrowing has I think pushed GBP lower and I think some of that is fairly permanent. Meanwhile, market sentiment on EUR has been boosted by Covid since (probably wrongly) people see the recovery plan deal as the start of more effective fiscal risk sharing. Both the UK and EU are expected to more QE so that's probably a wash currency wise.
    There are certainly some pro-GBP voices in the market, who argue that the Brexit impact is exaggerated and the UK fundamentals are better. They've been saying that since 2016 though, and haven't been right yet.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Impossible headline from SKY

    Coronavirus not among 10 most common causes of death in September - ONS
    More than a tenth of all deaths in England and nine percent in Wales were caused by the pandemic, according to the data.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    HYUFD said:

    If you are a surgeon you are paid to heal someone, not to merely carry out an operation.

    If you carry out operations and end up making people worse then someone with alternative methods who does heal someone is clearly better.

    It is no different with pollsters, they are paid to forecast elections not to simply carry out polls, if one has a better method of doing that than the other clearly it is the best and newspapers often cancel contracts with pollsters who have forecast an election wrong, Murdoch is famous for doing that with his papers as he correctly believes in judging by results
    But the better method preferably involves some polling? Or are you not fussed?
  • isam said:

    Yeah but if I don't live there anymore I don't care!

    EastEnders demographic is Havering although it pretends to be East London. I happen to think this is kind of racist of the BBC, and my guess is that they dont think the rest of the country would believe it if they accurately represented Stratford/Walthamstow

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2014/11/is-eastenders-more-racist-than.html?m=1

    iirc Eastenders was originally based on Hoxton (which is not really in the East End anyway but never mind).
  • Roy_G_BivRoy_G_Biv Posts: 998
    If anybody wants a quick summary of the UK-Japan trade deal agreed last month and signed today, try this
    https://www.ft.com/content/99299608-85b9-4770-afea-a7c621f2fc75
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    Sandpit said:

    Good to see Mrs Truss earning her air miles. Well done.
    Genuine question: how does the UK/Japan deal differ from the EU/Japan deal?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    edited October 2020

    What would be interesting, and I don't know whether it's been done or not, would be to re-run the 538 predictions in 2016, but with modifications to opinion polls for the undersampling of High School or less voters.

    That way you'd have an estimate of how wrong the prediction was for that reason.

    One of the problems I have with probabilistic forecasts is that I can't help but reduce them to a deterministic forecast with a certainty attached. But they have a lot more information than that.

    They show where that uncertainty is, and what differences in the detail have the most impact on the overall result.
    If you do look at the polling the biggest swing away from Trump such as there is relative to 2016 is with suburban voters and over 65s, Trump still has a pretty big lead with non college educated whites and in rural areas and has even seen a slight swing to him with black and hispanic voters.

    That is why I think Biden's best chances of a pick up of a Trump 2016 state are Pennsylvania and Arizona which both contain 1 of the top 10 largest cities by population in the US, Philadephia and Phoenix respectively and their associated suburbs.

    Ohio, Iowa, Michigan and Wisconsin and North Carolina do not have an urban area as big or a city in the top 10 largest in the nation.

    The election may then come down to Florida and over 65s swinging to Biden (Florida has the highest percentage of over 65s in the US) while its large Cuban American population has swung to Trump
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,520
    edited October 2020

    The future is fusion. Breakthroughs in superconducting magnet technology allow reactors to contain the superhot , super condensed plasma with lower energy input.

    Its really not that far away, now, I think. And that the good lord for that.
    The future has always been Fusion 😮
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    TimT said:

    I understand the Monty Hall Goats thing each time I read the explanation, and then immediately forget it and have difficulty with it again.
    The key thing to remember is that time travel isn't possible.

    Future actions can't go back in time and change the probability of your past actions.
  • Stocky said:


    Reminds me of a telephone tipster scam that I thought of years ago but never implemented. You get a bunch of people (say 80) to call a number for a racing tip. You pick , say, a 8 runner race where there ideally is no clear favourite. You split the 80 callers into 8 groups of 10 and give each group a different tip so that you have covered the field. You then start charging the 10 who were on the winner for future tips cus they think you are a genius.

    I used to work with/for racing tipsters, and there were some of the naughtier ones who did do something along those lines.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,211
    edited October 2020
    Sandpit said:

    That’s similar to what Derren Brown did for a show “The System” a few years back. He gave thousands of people random racing tips, and a handful of them ended up with half a dozen winners in a row and thought he was a genius tipster.
    I thought that's an old one - sending out different tips to cover all the possibilities etc. Heard of it as a postal thing, though.

    Come to think of it, email being free would make it easier. You could even auto-generate the emails based on the list of runners in the various races.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,843
    Sandpit said:

    Good to see Mrs Truss earning her air miles. Well done.
    The Japanese know the importance of helping their business partners save face.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 727

    I used to be very keen on Rendell/Vine, read them all I think (and there aint going to be any more obvs, unless some ghastly ghostwriting moneymaking thing happens). I have to say latterly I went off the Vine books a bit; there seemed to me to be a misanthropic, contemptuous tinge, some of it directed at people at the bottom of the pecking order. Also her ornate character names got a bit irritating.
    I loved Ruth Rendell but I felt she went off the boil with her last few books; I was disappointed with "The Saint Zita Society". "Judgement in Stone" remains my favourite.
  • Roy_G_BivRoy_G_Biv Posts: 998
    It's a partisan point, but it's a true one. There are bits of this trade deal that definitely put us behind the EU in terms of trade with Japan. There are bits that look good for us as well.
    Playing the man not the ball doesn't rebuff the truth of his point, that there are difficulties and detriments to Brexit. You might be better off arguing about the positives; they do exist.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    edited October 2020

    I used to work with/for racing tipsters, and there were some of the naughtier ones who did do something along those lines.
    Nice to hear that I`d be amongst the naughtier ones!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Does anyone have a view as to medium-term GBP value post Covid-19 assuming a full FTA Brexit deal?

    My thinking is GBP/EUR approaching 1.25 and GBP/UDS flirting with 1.40 but others may have better insight.

    The UK economy is fundamentally weak so 1.25/1.40 isn't very likely. Brexit or no brexit we have an unbalanced economy and that's a long term drag on sterling.
  • HYUFD said:

    Biden won the first debate 60% to 28% for Trump with CNN so while Biden won Trump did better last night, Hillary of course won all 3 debates in 2016 and still lost the election

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_debates
    There is a tendency to state the winner of a debate as your preferred candidate.

    That must surely be doubly so if you have already voted for them, which 35% of the electorate - in practice more where the vote in the post - have already done so.

    I don't think that augurs well for Trump.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sandpit said:

    That’s similar to what Derren Brown did for a show “The System” a few years back. He gave thousands of people random racing tips, and a handful of them ended up with half a dozen winners in a row and thought he was a genius tipster.
    Probably Brown's best show. It has the 10 heads in a row sequence as well.

    His decision to make the final race to convince his marks that he was a genius a Novice Hurdles race was utterly brilliant. Of course there were fallers, so of course the person who got given the winning "tip" was even more thoroughly convinced.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Genuine question: how does the UK/Japan deal differ from the EU/Japan deal?
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-japan-agree-historic-free-trade-agreement Is the government’s summary. More tarrif reductions and eliminations, as well as much more on financial and digital services than the old EU deal, and improved access to business and investment visas from both sides.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    The polling saying there's going to be high Trump turnout on the day, isn't this mostly a function of the states that have lowish gross turnouts already.

    Below average % of 2016 turnout (35.8%)

    *New York State 0% (Safe Dem)
    Mississippi 4.9% (Solid GOP)
    Alabama 6.8% (Solid GOP)
    Oklahoma 11.8% (Solid GOP)
    West Virginia 13.9% (Solid GOP)
    New Hampshire 18% (Lean Dem)
    Kansas 18.9% (Safe GOP)
    Missouri 20.9% (Probably safe GOP)
    +Idaho 15% (Solid GOP)
    Utah 27% (Solid GOP)
    Wyoming 29.2% (Solid GOP)
    South Dakota 32.8% (Solid GOP)
    North Dakota 33.6% (Solid GOP)

    + Probably higher, no data about though

    OTOH All the Dem heavy west coast states are almost entirely VBM this year - there's perhaps 15 million Dem heavy leaning ballots to come in California alone.

    Haven't analysed it scientifically yet but the general vote in/vote left favours GOP nationwide with the Democrats continuing to mail/drop box their vote in.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Plus last time Trafalgar shouted "it will be a six" repeatedly and were generally wrong. They hit a six in a state and then are perceived as a sage by ignoring all the times it wasn't a six elsewhere.
    And - the clincher - the Trafalgar guy wears a bow tie all the time.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,211

    The future is fusion. Breakthroughs in superconducting magnet technology allow reactors to contain the superhot , super condensed plasma with lower energy input.

    Its really not that far away, now, I think. And that the good lord for that.
    Not far to break even, maybe.

    But beyond that - neutron damage has been barely looked at. Yes, walls of liquid lithium sound awesome, but no-one has actually built one.

    And there are many other issues. For example, a quench in ITER would mean kilotons of energy looking for a new home...

    It's a long long way from breakeven to grid power.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Genuine question: how does the UK/Japan deal differ from the EU/Japan deal?
    The door has been wedged open for a future deal in services and mutual recognition of standards which is definitely a positive but not immediate.
  • Taught at a UK major university...

    His lectures in his “Harms of the Powerful” module have made some Jewish students feel increasingly uncomfortable and unwelcome in his classroom.

    https://thetab.com/uk/bristol/2020/10/22/im-a-jewish-uob-student-and-im-sick-of-worrying-about-professor-david-miller-41136

    Uncomfortable, I think I would be a bit more than uncomfortable!
  • Bloody hell,

    US retailer Gap could close all of its own UK stores, putting thousands of jobs at risk, as it mulls shifting its operations to franchise-only in Europe. It may close all of its shops in the UK, France, Ireland and Italy next summer, the retailer said.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54635810
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Not far to break even, maybe.

    But beyond that - neutron damage has been barely looked at. Yes, walls of liquid lithium sound awesome, but no-one has actually built one.

    And there are many other issues. For example, a quench in ITER would mean kilotons of energy looking for a new home...

    It's a long long way from breakeven to grid power.
    Aneutronic fusion power is being looked at and there are quite a few candidate reactions but the ignition requirements are beyond current science.

    One thing that room temperature superconducting doesn't solve is neutron energy release, you can't control neutron flow with magnets.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,534

    Not far to break even, maybe.

    But beyond that - neutron damage has been barely looked at. Yes, walls of liquid lithium sound awesome, but no-one has actually built one.

    And there are many other issues. For example, a quench in ITER would mean kilotons of energy looking for a new home...

    It's a long long way from breakeven to grid power.
    Fusion is on John Rentoul's list of technology of great promise that are always twenty years away iirc.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited October 2020
    The bonkers Welsh rules...

    Alcohol IS essential, but hairdryers and clothes aren't:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871385/Welsh-ministers-flounder-try-defend-new-shopping-rules.html

    Jeff Bezos says thanks.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,728
    .

    Genuine question: how does the UK/Japan deal differ from the EU/Japan deal?
    It's a bit cheesier ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    edited October 2020
    Stocky said:

    Reminds me of a telephone tipster scam that I thought of years ago but never implemented. You get a bunch of people (say 80) to call a number for a racing tip. You pick , say, a 8 runner race where there ideally is no clear favourite. You split the 80 callers into 8 groups of 10 and give each group a different tip so that you have covered the field. You then start charging the 10 who were on the winner for future tips cus they think you are a genius.
    That is actually how it's done, I believe. Even better, do a bigger number to start, then do those who you gave the winner to but divide them up too, then REALLY hit on the sample of the sample who you have given 2 winners in a row to. If they were good prices, they will have a lot of faith in you, enough to get an upfront 12 month sub out of in some cases.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Alistair said:

    Probably Brown's best show. It has the 10 heads in a row sequence as well.

    His decision to make the final race to convince his marks that he was a genius a Novice Hurdles race was utterly brilliant. Of course there were fallers, so of course the person who got given the winning "tip" was even more thoroughly convinced.
    Yes, one of his best works. I really loved the “10 Heads” sequence, amazing that no-one had got that on camera previously.

    Whole thing now posted on his YouTube channel. Well worth watching for anyone who hasn’t seen it before. https://youtube.com/watch?v=zv-3EfC17Rc
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited October 2020
    Britain couldn't have eradicated Covid-19 even if it banned ALL international travel at the start of the pandemic, experts say

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8604561/Britain-eradicate-Covid-19-banned-international-travel.html

    But hold on, this is exactly what Australia has done after they already had community spread and it worked*.

    *yes and New Zealand, but Australia is much closer to the UK in terms of international travel, dense cities, and Australia did have community spread going on.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    politico report on the Dems getting more infrequent and first time voters to vote early than are the GOP

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/early-voting-numbers-swing-states-431363
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    GBPEUR fell to 1.20 in the immediate aftermath of the Brexit vote, when the assumption of most was a very close relationship or even that Brexit might not happen. When May signalled single market and customs union exit in late 2016 it fell to around 1.10. We are now hoping for an FTA even less advantageous than May's proposals. On that basis the current 1.10 level doesn't look absurd. If we assume that builds in some no deal premium then there is some room for upside, so I could see 1.15 or maybe a bit above once a deal is done. I don't think the market believes there will really be no deal.
    We were at 1.20 in February but that was post-election euphoria, and the govt doubling down on a really minimalist deal combined with the Covid shambles and ballooning borrowing has I think pushed GBP lower and I think some of that is fairly permanent. Meanwhile, market sentiment on EUR has been boosted by Covid since (probably wrongly) people see the recovery plan deal as the start of more effective fiscal risk sharing. Both the UK and EU are expected to more QE so that's probably a wash currency wise.
    There are certainly some pro-GBP voices in the market, who argue that the Brexit impact is exaggerated and the UK fundamentals are better. They've been saying that since 2016 though, and haven't been right yet.
    Thanks. I agree the scope for improvement in GBP/EUR is more modest. Nevertheless, I think stability in the new trading arrangements in a new treaty and the end of the "ticking clock" will be good for both GBP and EUR.

    I don't agree it will stay at 1.10, although maybe 1.25 is a bit too optimistic.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,211
    MaxPB said:

    Aneutronic fusion power is being looked at and there are quite a few candidate reactions but the ignition requirements are beyond current science.

    One thing that room temperature superconducting doesn't solve is neutron energy release, you can't control neutron flow with magnets.
    Yes - light some Boron, get a Nobel, I reckon.

    One of the reasons that maxing out a Polywell might be interesting science, if not getting you to a working reactor.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    MaxPB said:

    The UK economy is fundamentally weak so 1.25/1.40 isn't very likely. Brexit or no brexit we have an unbalanced economy and that's a long term drag on sterling.
    I agree, but shouldn't stability in trading arrangements help and certainty help the economic outlook? We recovered to 1.20/ 1.35 last year with the clear GE result and transition.

    Do you think most of the recovery is already priced in expectations of a deal?
  • rawzerrawzer Posts: 189
    TimT said:

    politico report on the Dems getting more infrequent and first time voters to vote early than are the GOP

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/early-voting-numbers-swing-states-431363

    Does Politico have a 'lean' - use it quite a lot and sort of feels neutral maybe a bit Dem?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,211
    edited October 2020

    Bloody hell,

    US retailer Gap could close all of its own UK stores, putting thousands of jobs at risk, as it mulls shifting its operations to franchise-only in Europe. It may close all of its shops in the UK, France, Ireland and Italy next summer, the retailer said.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54635810

    Welcome to the end of the High Street.

    My daughters don't like shopping - they much prefer the online picking. Followed by delivery day, when 3 different sizes of everything arrive. And then the unwanted stuff gets sent back free....
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    edited October 2020

    Genuine question: how does the UK/Japan deal differ from the EU/Japan deal?
    Virtually the same, which is actually a good result for the UK.

    Content rules for digital disapplied as only of interest to the French; data protections disapplied - whether that's a good or bad thing is a chlorine chicken type question. The UK doesn't get the tariff quotas that the EU negotiated but can use any leftover EU quota. Opportunity to talk about financial services - I suspect that's a tactful refusal by Japan to include the UK ask in this FTA.
  • British retail sales have continued to increase for the fifth consecutive month, boosted by non-food items including DIY and garden supplies, according to official figures.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54656486
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,628
    Dura_Ace said:

    There are teams going bust all over Europe, they will never be this cheap again. Mine is a LHD 2018 Benelux Cup car. 40 hrs on the motor and more importantly 7hrs on the transmission since rebuild. There is a bloke on the Swiss Porsche FB group who reckons there is a way to register cars with motorsport VINs in Lichtenstein for the street...
    See also Derren Brown - the system...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,628

    The future is fusion. Breakthroughs in superconducting magnet technology allow reactors to contain the superhot , super condensed plasma with lower energy input.

    Its really not that far away, now, I think. And that the good lord for that.
    Probably about 30 years away (still...)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    MaxPB said:

    The door has been wedged open for a future deal in services and mutual recognition of standards which is definitely a positive but not immediate.
    In the longer-term, if Starmer wins, I don't expect him to run on a platform of re-join or re-vote but I do think he'll seek a mandate to take us back into the customs union and for free movement (in effect) for the under 30s.

    If he's smart he'll balance that with tough talk on benefits qualification, asylum controls and hold the line on work permits/visas for families/older workers, albeit he might expand the cap/limits a bit.
  • Sandpit said:

    Yes, one of his best works. I really loved the “10 Heads” sequence, amazing that no-one had got that on camera previously.

    Whole thing now posted on his YouTube channel. Well worth watching for anyone who hasn’t seen it before. https://youtube.com/watch?v=zv-3EfC17Rc
    Not available in my country :(
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    Sandpit said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-japan-agree-historic-free-trade-agreement Is the government’s summary. More tarrif reductions and eliminations, as well as much more on financial and digital services than the old EU deal, and improved access to business and investment visas from both sides.
    Thanks. Seems unlikely to offset the inability to export cars with substantial Japanese content into the EU tariff free. Especially when the same cars imported directly from Japan to the EU are seeing tariffs cut to zero in the next few years.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,628

    Impossible headline from SKY

    Coronavirus not among 10 most common causes of death in September - ONS
    More than a tenth of all deaths in England and nine percent in Wales were caused by the pandemic, according to the data.

    Maths and the media! Total fail
  • rawzer said:

    I get the general principles of the Bayesian thing, priors etc, that is Silvers big driver too, but on here everyone hits HYFUD with the dice analogy and I just think that's kind of the wrong metaphor.

    I have had all kinds of problems with the Monty Hall Goats thing too btw, so free tutorials always welcome :)
    That is because the Monty Hall thing (as usually expressed) is ambiguous and depends on whether MH has prior knowledge, and tends to have a different answer on either side of the Atlantic.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    Thanks. I agree the scope for improvement in GBP/EUR is more modest. Nevertheless, I think stability in the new trading arrangements in a new treaty and the end of the "ticking clock" will be good for both GBP and EUR.

    I don't agree it will stay at 1.10, although maybe 1.25 is a bit too optimistic.
    I think 1.10 embodies some residual no deal premium, so 1.15 looks reasonable to me if there is a deal. EUR parity or worse if no deal.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    GBPEUR fell to 1.20 in the immediate aftermath of the Brexit vote, when the assumption of most was a very close relationship or even that Brexit might not happen. When May signalled single market and customs union exit in late 2016 it fell to around 1.10. We are now hoping for an FTA even less advantageous than May's proposals. On that basis the current 1.10 level doesn't look absurd. If we assume that builds in some no deal premium then there is some room for upside, so I could see 1.15 or maybe a bit above once a deal is done. I don't think the market believes there will really be no deal.
    We were at 1.20 in February but that was post-election euphoria, and the govt doubling down on a really minimalist deal combined with the Covid shambles and ballooning borrowing has I think pushed GBP lower and I think some of that is fairly permanent. Meanwhile, market sentiment on EUR has been boosted by Covid since (probably wrongly) people see the recovery plan deal as the start of more effective fiscal risk sharing. Both the UK and EU are expected to more QE so that's probably a wash currency wise.
    There are certainly some pro-GBP voices in the market, who argue that the Brexit impact is exaggerated and the UK fundamentals are better. They've been saying that since 2016 though, and haven't been right yet.
    On "$markets" a No Deal WTO Brexit is now a 33% chance.

    That's a massive overstatement imo. I judge it quite close to zero.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043

    Welcome to the end of the High Street.

    My daughters don't like shopping - they much prefer the online picking. Followed by delivery day, when 3 different sizes of everything arrive. And then the unwanted stuff gets sent back free....
    So bye bye all jobs for non professionals and the highest skilled bar warehouse and delivery work then.

    Though I still think traditional and distinctive local shops have a future
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    kinabalu said:

    On "$markets" a No Deal WTO Brexit is now a 33% chance.

    That's a massive overstatement imo. I judge it quite close to zero.
    I would put it below 33% but above 0%. Maybe 15%. It would be insane for both parties given Covid. But it could happen because both parties overestimate their own negotiating position. The EU in particular is being too stubborn. They are right to think they hold most of the cards, but they don't hold all of them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,534
    "When Manchester and Yorkshire were put into Tier 3 restrictions, there were plenty of graphs looking at the virus – but none looking at the side-effects."

    "Sweden is perhaps the first country in the world to make this case so clearly: isolation kills too"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/22/elderly-paying-terrible-price-protected-covid/

    Outstanding piece by Fraser Nelson today.
  • Stocky said:

    Reminds me of a telephone tipster scam that I thought of years ago but never implemented. You get a bunch of people (say 80) to call a number for a racing tip. You pick , say, a 8 runner race where there ideally is no clear favourite. You split the 80 callers into 8 groups of 10 and give each group a different tip so that you have covered the field. You then start charging the 10 who were on the winner for future tips cus they think you are a genius.
    That was the plot of a Minder episode. For added topicality, the episode also turns on Arthur not having paid any income tax.
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6oahcy
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    edited October 2020

    I used to be very keen on Rendell/Vine, read them all I think (and there aint going to be any more obvs, unless some ghastly ghostwriting moneymaking thing happens). I have to say latterly I went off the Vine books a bit; there seemed to me to be a misanthropic, contemptuous tinge, some of it directed at people at the bottom of the pecking order. Also her ornate character names got a bit irritating.
    It's been a while - like you, I think I've read most of them - but I don't recall picking up on that. Maybe I would if I re-read them now. Unlikely I will be, given all the stuff I haven't read.

    You have changed your logo, I now see. Does this mean the West is no longer doomed?
  • PJHPJH Posts: 815

    iirc Eastenders was originally based on Hoxton (which is not really in the East End anyway but never mind).
    Can't resist commenting on this, as I've lived in Romford for 25 years and occasionally my path crosses with Mr Rosindell's.

    Certainly among the older population there is a feeling that Romford is Essex not London. I'm not sure they'd be quite so keen if their TfL free travel was taken away.

    There has been a big change in central Romford over the last few years, it now feels much more like the rest of London. I keep hearing from people that 'Romford's going downhill' and 'it isn't like it used to be' but I've been here a long time and it was always a bit scruffy in places. Scratch the surface and what many people mean is that there are more non-white faces around, and they're off to Clacton.

    The rest of Havering is still very much 'East Enders', albeit changing gradually too.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited October 2020
    HYUFD said:

    So bye bye all jobs for non professionals and the highest skilled bar warehouse and delivery work then.

    Though I still think traditional and distinctive local shops have a future
    Provided they’re not killed off by high business rates and anti-car councils, yes.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,118
    Outstanding. Nippy announces a 5 tier system, that has 6 tiers but only goes to 4...

    https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1319604085444792320
  • On terminology, Frank Luntz is frequently described as a "GOP pollster" or "Republican pollster" even though he does not seem to run any polls, just focus groups. Maybe things are different in America.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,320
    Scott_xP said:

    Outstanding. Nippy announces a 5 tier system, that has 6 tiers but only goes to 4...

    https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1319604085444792320

    And she's used Homer's make-up gun.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108

    I think 1.10 embodies some residual no deal premium, so 1.15 looks reasonable to me if there is a deal. EUR parity or worse if no deal.
    GBP/USD is the one to trade for this, not /EUR. As the currency movements on Wednesday demonstrated. If there is a deal - as I too believe most likely - simply buy GBP/USD. With the added advantage that any uncertainty as the US election approaches will magnify the potential upside.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited October 2020
    Scott_xP said:

    Outstanding. Nippy announces a 5 tier system, that has 6 tiers but only goes to 4...

    https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1319604085444792320

    Could be to conform to the Whitehall system, sufficiently so to get qualification for employers' support un der Mr Sunak's tiers.

    I see she has in any case added a lower tier. And so on.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    edited October 2020

    Not available in my country :(
    Indeed
  • Scott_xP said:

    Outstanding. Nippy announces a 5 tier system, that has 6 tiers but only goes to 4...

    https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1319604085444792320

    Can't you count? That's five tiers.

    And there's nothing wrong with having a tier zero.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    rawzer said:

    Does Politico have a 'lean' - use it quite a lot and sort of feels neutral maybe a bit Dem?
    Definitely a bit, but not a lot, Dem, trying to be neutral would be my take.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,076

    That is because the Monty Hall thing (as usually expressed) is ambiguous and depends on whether MH has prior knowledge, and tends to have a different answer on either side of the Atlantic.
    Agree about the Monty Hall problem. I always need to know the rule about which door Monty opens. You only get the surprising resukt though, if his rule is "never open the door with a car behind it"
  • Scott_xP said:

    Outstanding. Nippy announces a 5 tier system, that has 6 tiers but only goes to 4...

    https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1319604085444792320

    Are they just trolling each other, perhaps there is a sweepstake as to which govt can introduce the most stupid tier /levels system?
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