What is Sunak up to? – politicalbetting.com
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In bickering for so long, both sides in this argument have only illustrated how this is about politics and not COVID, really.1
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It's my lifeCorrectHorseBattery said:Heroin
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By the time they come to some agreement it will have missed the boat...contrarian said:In bickering for so long, both sides in this argument have only illustrated how this is about politics and not COVID, really.
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He's certainly svelte. And can afford it.CorrectHorseBattery said:Heroin
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That's a bit like saying that Mr Churchill's takeover from Mr Chamberlain as PM was an internal Tory Party war.contrarian said:In bickering for so long, both sides in this argument have only illustrated how this is about politics and not COVID, really.
Though that can certainly be said about Brexit - just a shame about the collateral damage.
But back to topic and thank you Cyclefree, always worth reading. I'm reminded of travelling on a local bus from Durham to Hartlepool about 1995, which went around all the former mining villages, including Sedgefield. I'm familiar with former Scottish mining areas - but I was shaken by what I saw. Now if that is smashed all over again, who are they going to vote for, when they finally get the chance years on?0 -
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Right now I shall remain in blissful ignorance of what Sunak's up to.0 -
He's - not unreasonably - looking at our £300 billion projected deficit this year, our 100% debt-to-GDP ratio, and wondering how far to keep digging. Should he cut his losses now and accept high unemployment, or end up possibly throwing good money after bad if the expected vaccines and treatments don't materialize? And how will these debts ever be paid back, or the interest managed?
I continue to believe that formerly-unthinkable ideas along the lines of a coordinated global debt reset to pre-coronavirus levels may have to be considered, once the world wakes up to the implications of implementing the conventional remedies of austere spending and oppressive taxation for the next decade or two...2 -
I suggested that months ago but nobody picked it up.BluestBlue said:He's - not unreasonably - looking at our £300 billion projected deficit this year, our 100% debt-to-GDP ratio, and wondering how far to keep digging. Should he cut his losses now and accept high unemployment, or end up possibly throwing good money after bad if the expected vaccines and treatments don't materialize? And how will these debts ever be paid back, or the interest managed?
I continue to believe that formerly-unthinkable ideas along the lines of a coordinated global debt reset to pre-coronavirus levels may have to be considered, once the world wakes up to the implications of implementing the conventional remedies of austere spending and oppressive taxation for the next decade or two...0 -
Watching Fox desperately trying to spin the Hunter Biden storm-in-a-teacup into something damaging is a joy to behold.0
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I'm sure the idea isn't original to either of us, but I'll be very happy if we're both vindicated.nichomar said:
I suggested that months ago but nobody picked it up.BluestBlue said:He's - not unreasonably - looking at our £300 billion projected deficit this year, our 100% debt-to-GDP ratio, and wondering how far to keep digging. Should he cut his losses now and accept high unemployment, or end up possibly throwing good money after bad if the expected vaccines and treatments don't materialize? And how will these debts ever be paid back, or the interest managed?
I continue to believe that formerly-unthinkable ideas along the lines of a coordinated global debt reset to pre-coronavirus levels may have to be considered, once the world wakes up to the implications of implementing the conventional remedies of austere spending and oppressive taxation for the next decade or two...0 -
I was into Modern Monetary Theory as the solution to this before MMT back in March when this wasn't a thing.nichomar said:
I suggested that months ago but nobody picked it up.BluestBlue said:He's - not unreasonably - looking at our £300 billion projected deficit this year, our 100% debt-to-GDP ratio, and wondering how far to keep digging. Should he cut his losses now and accept high unemployment, or end up possibly throwing good money after bad if the expected vaccines and treatments don't materialize? And how will these debts ever be paid back, or the interest managed?
I continue to believe that formerly-unthinkable ideas along the lines of a coordinated global debt reset to pre-coronavirus levels may have to be considered, once the world wakes up to the implications of implementing the conventional remedies of austere spending and oppressive taxation for the next decade or two...
If the theory is correct the whole world can cope with this as it makes zero difference everywhere beyond a set of money owed to central banks that will never be repaid.1 -
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Since when has Ydoethur been writing for the Northern Echo? The myopic comments were coming thick and fast in that tweet.eek said:Another Cummings story
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Sounds like post neo-classical endogenous growth theory to me.eek said:
I was into Modern Monetary Theory as the solution to this before MMT back in March when this wasn't a thing.nichomar said:
I suggested that months ago but nobody picked it up.BluestBlue said:He's - not unreasonably - looking at our £300 billion projected deficit this year, our 100% debt-to-GDP ratio, and wondering how far to keep digging. Should he cut his losses now and accept high unemployment, or end up possibly throwing good money after bad if the expected vaccines and treatments don't materialize? And how will these debts ever be paid back, or the interest managed?
I continue to believe that formerly-unthinkable ideas along the lines of a coordinated global debt reset to pre-coronavirus levels may have to be considered, once the world wakes up to the implications of implementing the conventional remedies of austere spending and oppressive taxation for the next decade or two...
If the theory is correct the whole world can cope with this as it makes zero difference everywhere beyond a set of money owed to central banks that will never be repaid.
As Michael Heseltine pithily remarked, it was Balls’.2 -
BBC News - Covid: Latest Greater Manchester talks end with no agreement
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Brexit deal or T3 deal, which will be first?0 -
The Deep State at work again?Andy_JS said:Site has been down for me for about an hour.
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A question about the “bug” in the Covid app which alerts you periodically to possible contacts only to immediately reassure you that you are safe.
Is this a completely meaningless message or is it actually evidence that you have come into Bluetooth range (however fleeting) of a positive case? I’m just interested how often this might happen (given many people won’t have the app/turned on Bluetooth) in my c. 100 per 100k area.0 -
No we can't put it back in the bat. But hopefully medical advances inc vaccines will tame it sufficiently for life without Covid restrictions to resume by the end of next year at worst?FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Oi! Since when have I been myopic?Mexicanpete said:
Since when has Ydoethur been writing for the Northern Echo? The myopic comments were coming thick and fast in that tweet.eek said:Another Cummings story
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Spanish flu never went away.2
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I can't imagine western society will even manage another 14 months of restrictions.kinabalu said:
No we can't put it back in the bat. But hopefully medical advances inc vaccines will tame it sufficiently for life without Covid restrictions to resume by the end of next year at worst?FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Is that it? The "Hunter" non scandal?not_on_fire said:Watching Fox desperately trying to spin the Hunter Biden storm-in-a-teacup into something damaging is a joy to behold.
From the build up I thought it would be some really sleazy dynamite thing - Joe caught on tape bragging about sexual assault or something equally terminal to anybody's hopes of being elected to America's highest office.0 -
Good. Make him pay every penny he owes. People have done jail time for owing less in Council Tax.eek said:Another Cummings story
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Typical. I sit down for a peaceful half hour discussing political catastrophe and first the site crashes and then somebody’s on hookers again.FrancisUrquhart said:The site is up and down more than a hookers knickers....
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What is Sunak up to? Apart from looking damned fine I don't know.
This T3 nonsense - it can't continue where each area gets to haggle with the Treasury for a package and for which bits of T3 apply to it. The government needs to accept that the pox is back, its tearing its way through a lot of communities, and without the resumption of the broad-scoped support from earlier this year people and companies are fucked.
Resume the furlough. Extend the loans. And then impose Tier 3 and the same bloody Tier 3 wherever the science says it needs imposing. They need to stop cocking about.0 -
It will have to be something truly amazing, this election is so polarising that a multiple of events has come and gone and the polls have remain stupidly stable. With so few undecided voters it will have to be something that stops democrats voting for Biden and handing Trump the win.isam said:One of my mates, who is a bit of a conspiracy theorist, has been saying for a while that there is something that will leak on Biden which will derail his bid for POTUS. I didnt really believe him. Maybe what @Alistair linked to is it
This is of course assuming there actually is anything, remember obamagate?0 -
The problem is the most rapid vector of expansion right now would appear to be schools - cases up threefold in a fortnight and ninefold in the last month.RochdalePioneers said:What is Sunak up to? Apart from looking damned fine I don't know.
This T3 nonsense - it can't continue where each area gets to haggle with the Treasury for a package and for which bits of T3 apply to it. The government needs to accept that the pox is back, its tearing its way through a lot of communities, and without the resumption of the broad-scoped support from earlier this year people and companies are fucked.
Resume the furlough. Extend the loans. And then impose Tier 3 and the same bloody Tier 3 wherever the science says it needs imposing. They need to stop cocking about.
And closing schools is something Johnson appears to have resolutely set his face against, even though the restrictions we are having to work under are fucking near impossible.1 -
Bad news in Leicester. Last week looked to have levelled off then this:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1318242504274251781?s=20
Numbers are such that theatre recovery is being converted to overflow Covid ICU again. Not only are the hospital numbers up, but this significantly impacts on surgical turnover for other conditions.
So not my usual chirpy self...0 -
However we slice this, it’s currently looking rather grim.Foxy said:Bad news in Leicester. Last week looked to have levelled off then this:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1318242504274251781?s=20
Numbers are such that theatre recovery is being converted to overflow Covid ICU again. Not only are the hospital numbers up, but this significantly impacts on surgical turnover for other conditions.
So not my usual chirpy self...0 -
I can't read the main article but my comment on Sunak is that he is going to let unemployment rip without making any attempt to soften the blow. Sink or swim. Adapt or die. Back to the Thatcherite philosophy of the 1980's0
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Spanish age of infectionydoethur said:
The problem is the most rapid vector of expansion right now would appear to be schools - cases up threefold in a fortnight and ninefold in the last month.RochdalePioneers said:What is Sunak up to? Apart from looking damned fine I don't know.
This T3 nonsense - it can't continue where each area gets to haggle with the Treasury for a package and for which bits of T3 apply to it. The government needs to accept that the pox is back, its tearing its way through a lot of communities, and without the resumption of the broad-scoped support from earlier this year people and companies are fucked.
Resume the furlough. Extend the loans. And then impose Tier 3 and the same bloody Tier 3 wherever the science says it needs imposing. They need to stop cocking about.
And closing schools is something Johnson appears to have resolutely set his face against, even though the restrictions we are having to work under are fucking near impossible.
Regarding the distribution by age, the group with the highest incidence is that of young people between 10 and 19 years old, there is also an increase in the age group between 20 and 29 years old, but to a lesser extent. Schools0 -
Sink or swim works in a free market.FF43 said:I can't read the main article but my comment on Sunak is that he is going to let unemployment rip without making any attempt to soften the blow. Sink or swim. Adapt or die. Back to the Thatcherite philosophy of the 1980's
If the government is saying people can't trade by law it does not.1 -
Schools are a big vector. The epidemiologist view seems to be that there is little to be achieved by partial closure. You are better doing occasional but total breaks.ydoethur said:
The problem is the most rapid vector of expansion right now would appear to be schools - cases up threefold in a fortnight and ninefold in the last month.RochdalePioneers said:What is Sunak up to? Apart from looking damned fine I don't know.
This T3 nonsense - it can't continue where each area gets to haggle with the Treasury for a package and for which bits of T3 apply to it. The government needs to accept that the pox is back, its tearing its way through a lot of communities, and without the resumption of the broad-scoped support from earlier this year people and companies are fucked.
Resume the furlough. Extend the loans. And then impose Tier 3 and the same bloody Tier 3 wherever the science says it needs imposing. They need to stop cocking about.
And closing schools is something Johnson appears to have resolutely set his face against, even though the restrictions we are having to work under are fucking near impossible.0 -
If R is back to 1 or below with schools open and if schools are a transmission vector then half term will provide an element of a natural firebreak even without other restrictions.0
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Is that "Ivor" chap a quack?isam said:0 -
Stick with not believing him. It's the best way with those types.isam said:One of my mates, who is a bit of a conspiracy theorist, has been saying for a while that there is something that will leak on Biden which will derail his bid for POTUS. I didnt really believe him. Maybe what @Alistair linked to is it
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So Sweden isn't pursuing a herd immunity strategy?
I am shocked.
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TGTBT bucket, I sense.eek said:
I was into Modern Monetary Theory as the solution to this before MMT back in March when this wasn't a thing.nichomar said:
I suggested that months ago but nobody picked it up.BluestBlue said:He's - not unreasonably - looking at our £300 billion projected deficit this year, our 100% debt-to-GDP ratio, and wondering how far to keep digging. Should he cut his losses now and accept high unemployment, or end up possibly throwing good money after bad if the expected vaccines and treatments don't materialize? And how will these debts ever be paid back, or the interest managed?
I continue to believe that formerly-unthinkable ideas along the lines of a coordinated global debt reset to pre-coronavirus levels may have to be considered, once the world wakes up to the implications of implementing the conventional remedies of austere spending and oppressive taxation for the next decade or two...
If the theory is correct the whole world can cope with this as it makes zero difference everywhere beyond a set of money owed to central banks that will never be repaid.0 -
Someone posted a link to a Twitter feed that suggested the Hunter Biden scandal was now been brought up by voters.not_on_fire said:Watching Fox desperately trying to spin the Hunter Biden storm-in-a-teacup into something damaging is a joy to behold.
Be careful. That was the line about Cunningham-Tillis in NC and the immediate polls saying Cunningham's lead was the same or heightened. Everyone said the scandal hadn't resonated. And now Cunningham's lead has suddenly shrunk.
These things take time to work through.0 -
That’s amazing. Who would have thought taking a load of people with limited sense of hygiene and packing them tight into small poorly ventilated rooms and forcing them to talk to each other all day might spread a virus?FF43 said:
Schools are a big vector. The epidemiologist view seems to be that there is little to be achieved by partial closure. You are better doing occasional but total breaks.ydoethur said:
The problem is the most rapid vector of expansion right now would appear to be schools - cases up threefold in a fortnight and ninefold in the last month.RochdalePioneers said:What is Sunak up to? Apart from looking damned fine I don't know.
This T3 nonsense - it can't continue where each area gets to haggle with the Treasury for a package and for which bits of T3 apply to it. The government needs to accept that the pox is back, its tearing its way through a lot of communities, and without the resumption of the broad-scoped support from earlier this year people and companies are fucked.
Resume the furlough. Extend the loans. And then impose Tier 3 and the same bloody Tier 3 wherever the science says it needs imposing. They need to stop cocking about.
And closing schools is something Johnson appears to have resolutely set his face against, even though the restrictions we are having to work under are fucking near impossible.0 -
Sunak wants to be PM, but he also knows his popularity is about to go mammary glands up at the end of the month.
Says a lot that Sunak has been made to look a fourth rate operator by Andy Burnham (sic).1 -
"We can trace back a lot of the early problems to an unfortunate lack of preparedness in our nursing homes, which has been rectified and now works well.”TheScreamingEagles said:So Sweden isn't pursuing a herd immunity strategy?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1318243484206235651
In Sweden, as in the UK, around half of all Covid-19 deaths occurred in care homes. Care workers initially avoided wearing masks and gloves (some for fear of giving offence to residents) and were discouraged from admitting patients to hospital. “We did not manage to protect the most vulnerable people, the most elderly, despite our best intentions,” Prime Minister Löfven conceded."0 -
Frost, Gove, Johnson, why not say you don't want a deal? Honestly, would we tolerate this infantile behaviour in our ten year olds? Maybe a five year would get a pass...
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30% of my daughter's school was sent home today after a pox case. 3 whole classes plus sibs in other classes. The kids that these siblings have been sat next to are still in school. And their school has been quite lucky - Teesside has had quite a lot of schools with quite a lot of cases.ydoethur said:
The problem is the most rapid vector of expansion right now would appear to be schools - cases up threefold in a fortnight and ninefold in the last month.RochdalePioneers said:What is Sunak up to? Apart from looking damned fine I don't know.
This T3 nonsense - it can't continue where each area gets to haggle with the Treasury for a package and for which bits of T3 apply to it. The government needs to accept that the pox is back, its tearing its way through a lot of communities, and without the resumption of the broad-scoped support from earlier this year people and companies are fucked.
Resume the furlough. Extend the loans. And then impose Tier 3 and the same bloody Tier 3 wherever the science says it needs imposing. They need to stop cocking about.
And closing schools is something Johnson appears to have resolutely set his face against, even though the restrictions we are having to work under are fucking near impossible.0 -
See if GM can lend you some supportFoxy said:Bad news in Leicester. Last week looked to have levelled off then this:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1318242504274251781?s=20
Numbers are such that theatre recovery is being converted to overflow Covid ICU again. Not only are the hospital numbers up, but this significantly impacts on surgical turnover for other conditions.
So not my usual chirpy self...
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Looks like West Yorkshire could be in line for Tier 3.
Early days, but any sign that it has made a difference on Merseyside?0 -
Wetherspoons?ydoethur said:
That’s amazing. Who would have thought taking a load of people with limited sense of hygiene and packing them tight into small poorly ventilated rooms and forcing them to talk to each other all day might spread a virus?FF43 said:
Schools are a big vector. The epidemiologist view seems to be that there is little to be achieved by partial closure. You are better doing occasional but total breaks.ydoethur said:
The problem is the most rapid vector of expansion right now would appear to be schools - cases up threefold in a fortnight and ninefold in the last month.RochdalePioneers said:What is Sunak up to? Apart from looking damned fine I don't know.
This T3 nonsense - it can't continue where each area gets to haggle with the Treasury for a package and for which bits of T3 apply to it. The government needs to accept that the pox is back, its tearing its way through a lot of communities, and without the resumption of the broad-scoped support from earlier this year people and companies are fucked.
Resume the furlough. Extend the loans. And then impose Tier 3 and the same bloody Tier 3 wherever the science says it needs imposing. They need to stop cocking about.
And closing schools is something Johnson appears to have resolutely set his face against, even though the restrictions we are having to work under are fucking near impossible.2 -
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"Unlike France, Germany, the UK and Italy, it did not close restaurants, bars, shops or gyms. Schools for pupils aged below 16 remained open, mask-wearing was not mandated, and public gatherings of fewer than 50 people were permitted."TheScreamingEagles said:So Sweden isn't pursuing a herd immunity strategy?
I am shocked.
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1318243484206235651
I would have preferred that personally, and see it as quite a big difference to what we had. I dont get how people are trying to claim that our lockdown was similar to that, I havent been to the gym since February, and only out for a drink with the boys a couple of times, in September and October, principally because they were all shut2 -
It seems to me that there is a significant group within the NHS who don’t see the role of hospitals as primarily to save lives. Rather it is to avoid deaths occurring in hospitals. This is entirely consistent with the early decisions to discharge COVID patients into care homes, and to discourage non Covid emergency admissions even if it leads to increased deaths in the Community.
I suspect one will find that in some cases targets and bonuses are consistent with this.0 -
So are tuberculosis, diphtheria, polio, hepatitis, measles, mumps, rubella, and whooping cough. Due to the vaccines (and TB especially isn’t an all-powerful perfectly effective one), although they’re endemic, they’re very rarely much of a concern for us day-to-day.FrancisUrquhart said:2 -
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Of course. In the absence of a vaccine it is either continue on as best as possible or close everything down and keep printing money.ydoethur said:
However we slice this, it’s currently looking rather grim.Foxy said:Bad news in Leicester. Last week looked to have levelled off then this:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1318242504274251781?s=20
Numbers are such that theatre recovery is being converted to overflow Covid ICU again. Not only are the hospital numbers up, but this significantly impacts on surgical turnover for other conditions.
So not my usual chirpy self...0 -
Thats Trump's campaign manager> What a knobber.Scott_xP said:0 -
Deaths within 28 days of discharge count as hospital mortality, so you are wrong.alex_ said:It seems to me that there is a significant group within the NHS who don’t see the role of hospitals as primarily to save lives. Rather it is to avoid deaths occurring in hospitals. This is entirely consistent with the early decisions to discharge COVID patients into care homes, and to discourage non Covid emergency admissions even if it leads to increased deaths in the Community.
I suspect one will find that in some cases targets and bonuses are consistent with this.
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ICU beds are always in demand, and often full, but if full of Covid cases, then are not available for admissions such as planned aortic aneyrysm and thoracic surgery or big cancer cases. It is perfectly possible for ICU beds to be at usual capacity, and to similtaneously having massive impact on activity and indirect mortality.isam said:
See if GM can lend you some supportFoxy said:Bad news in Leicester. Last week looked to have levelled off then this:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1318242504274251781?s=20
Numbers are such that theatre recovery is being converted to overflow Covid ICU again. Not only are the hospital numbers up, but this significantly impacts on surgical turnover for other conditions.
So not my usual chirpy self...
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As I mentioned before, stories take a couple of days to seep in to the polls - see Cunningham's affair as an exampleScott_xP said:0 -
Fair enough. Although if people don't make it in the first place..,?Foxy said:
Deaths within 28 days of discharge count as hospital mortality, so you are wrong.alex_ said:It seems to me that there is a significant group within the NHS who don’t see the role of hospitals as primarily to save lives. Rather it is to avoid deaths occurring in hospitals. This is entirely consistent with the early decisions to discharge COVID patients into care homes, and to discourage non Covid emergency admissions even if it leads to increased deaths in the Community.
I suspect one will find that in some cases targets and bonuses are consistent with this.0 -
I have had to come onto a different device to comment. On my PC neither the vanilla nor PB site will open. NoBarnesian said:
Same here. I'm on Chrome on my PC.dixiedean said:Am unable to load the main site. Is that just me and my phone?
Right now I shall remain in blissful ignorance of what Sunak's up to.
problem with any other site. Same thing happened Saturday for a couple of hours. No problem logging in from my wife's PC 12 inches away!0 -
Since February gyms and bars have been open for longer than they've been shut, so if you've only been out a couple of times (and not in March, July or August) then that matches the idea that people's own concerns more than restrictions end up driving people away from these premises.isam said:
"Unlike France, Germany, the UK and Italy, it did not close restaurants, bars, shops or gyms. Schools for pupils aged below 16 remained open, mask-wearing was not mandated, and public gatherings of fewer than 50 people were permitted."TheScreamingEagles said:So Sweden isn't pursuing a herd immunity strategy?
I am shocked.
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1318243484206235651
I would have preferred that personally, and see it as quite a big difference to what we had. I dont get how people are trying to claim that our lockdown was similar to that, I havent been to the gym since February, and only out for a drink with the boys a couple of times, in September and October, principally because they were all shut0 -
https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318272366187859968
https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318275128254398465
BoZo has killed the Union. Twat.1 -
The Union is not as important.Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318272366187859968
https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318275128254398465
BoZo has killed the Union. Twat.-1 -
As what?Philip_Thompson said:
The Union is not as important.Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318272366187859968
https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318275128254398465
BoZo has killed the Union. Twat.
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Indeed. Well said.Andy_Cooke said:
So are tuberculosis, diphtheria, polio, hepatitis, measles, mumps, rubella, and whooping cough. Due to the vaccines (and TB especially isn’t an all-powerful perfectly effective one), although they’re endemic, they’re very rarely much of a concern for us day-to-day.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anyone would think some on PB like drama just for the bloody sake of it.0 -
Sorry, a slight error, deaths within 30 days is the difference. This is the key indicator and how it is calculated:Foxy said:
Deaths within 28 days of discharge count as hospital mortality, so you are wrong.alex_ said:It seems to me that there is a significant group within the NHS who don’t see the role of hospitals as primarily to save lives. Rather it is to avoid deaths occurring in hospitals. This is entirely consistent with the early decisions to discharge COVID patients into care homes, and to discourage non Covid emergency admissions even if it leads to increased deaths in the Community.
I suspect one will find that in some cases targets and bonuses are consistent with this.
https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/ci-hub/summary-hospital-level-mortality-indicator-shmi
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Well quite. Why would the Conservative and Unionist Party care about the Union?Philip_Thompson said:
The Union is not as important.Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318272366187859968
https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318275128254398465
BoZo has killed the Union. Twat.3 -
I’d go with more, owing to coronavirusFrancisUrquhart said:The site is up and down more than a hookers knickers....
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The theory is simple, Governments can borrow what they want as it doesn't impact interest rates.kinabalu said:
TGTBT bucket, I sense.eek said:
I was into Modern Monetary Theory as the solution to this before MMT back in March when this wasn't a thing.nichomar said:
I suggested that months ago but nobody picked it up.BluestBlue said:He's - not unreasonably - looking at our £300 billion projected deficit this year, our 100% debt-to-GDP ratio, and wondering how far to keep digging. Should he cut his losses now and accept high unemployment, or end up possibly throwing good money after bad if the expected vaccines and treatments don't materialize? And how will these debts ever be paid back, or the interest managed?
I continue to believe that formerly-unthinkable ideas along the lines of a coordinated global debt reset to pre-coronavirus levels may have to be considered, once the world wakes up to the implications of implementing the conventional remedies of austere spending and oppressive taxation for the next decade or two...
If the theory is correct the whole world can cope with this as it makes zero difference everywhere beyond a set of money owed to central banks that will never be repaid.
And you just have to look at interest rates between 2009 and now and compare it to Government borrowing. One is at rock bottom and has been for the last 11 years, the other is at sky high levels.0 -
Give over. The EU are currently saying the UK must be the ones to compromise and that they're not prepared to do so.FF43 said:Frost, Gove, Johnson, why not say you don't want a deal? Honestly, would we tolerate this infantile behaviour in our ten year olds? Maybe a five year would get a pass...
https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1318233408947048449
How is the UK saying that there is no point talking unless the EU are prepared to compromise "infantile"?
Talks are only worthwhile if both parties are prepared to compromise. If the EU's not we should wait them out until they are.0 -
Well they’re not conserving anything, so they may as well not be unionist and go for the full house.RochdalePioneers said:
Well quite. Why would the Conservative and Unionist Party care about the Union?Philip_Thompson said:
The Union is not as important.Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318272366187859968
https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318275128254398465
BoZo has killed the Union. Twat.0 -
It IS damaging - to Trumpsky and the GOP.not_on_fire said:Watching Fox desperately trying to spin the Hunter Biden storm-in-a-teacup into something damaging is a joy to behold.
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More that i didn’t have any work for three months and have had to work 7 days a week since to try and make up for it, and I like to get to the pub for 930-10 as I finish work about 830 but now they close at 10 it’s not worth itPhilip_Thompson said:
Since February gyms and bars have been open for longer than they've been shut, so if you've only been out a couple of times (and not in March, July or August) then that matches the idea that people's own concerns more than restrictions end up driving people away from these premises.isam said:
"Unlike France, Germany, the UK and Italy, it did not close restaurants, bars, shops or gyms. Schools for pupils aged below 16 remained open, mask-wearing was not mandated, and public gatherings of fewer than 50 people were permitted."TheScreamingEagles said:So Sweden isn't pursuing a herd immunity strategy?
I am shocked.
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1318243484206235651
I would have preferred that personally, and see it as quite a big difference to what we had. I dont get how people are trying to claim that our lockdown was similar to that, I havent been to the gym since February, and only out for a drink with the boys a couple of times, in September and October, principally because they were all shut0 -
Numbers of admissions is not under the control of managers, except where planned admissions are cancelled such as when there is no bed on ICU. Emergency admissions are determined by GPs and the ambulance services.alex_ said:
Fair enough. Although if people don't make it in the first place..,?Foxy said:
Deaths within 28 days of discharge count as hospital mortality, so you are wrong.alex_ said:It seems to me that there is a significant group within the NHS who don’t see the role of hospitals as primarily to save lives. Rather it is to avoid deaths occurring in hospitals. This is entirely consistent with the early decisions to discharge COVID patients into care homes, and to discourage non Covid emergency admissions even if it leads to increased deaths in the Community.
I suspect one will find that in some cases targets and bonuses are consistent with this.0 -
Only because inflation is low and because the UK has been reducing its deficit every single year, its not an iron rule of nature.eek said:
The theory is simple, Governments can borrow what they want as it doesn't impact interest rates.kinabalu said:
TGTBT bucket, I sense.eek said:
I was into Modern Monetary Theory as the solution to this before MMT back in March when this wasn't a thing.nichomar said:
I suggested that months ago but nobody picked it up.BluestBlue said:He's - not unreasonably - looking at our £300 billion projected deficit this year, our 100% debt-to-GDP ratio, and wondering how far to keep digging. Should he cut his losses now and accept high unemployment, or end up possibly throwing good money after bad if the expected vaccines and treatments don't materialize? And how will these debts ever be paid back, or the interest managed?
I continue to believe that formerly-unthinkable ideas along the lines of a coordinated global debt reset to pre-coronavirus levels may have to be considered, once the world wakes up to the implications of implementing the conventional remedies of austere spending and oppressive taxation for the next decade or two...
If the theory is correct the whole world can cope with this as it makes zero difference everywhere beyond a set of money owed to central banks that will never be repaid.
And you just have to look at interest rates between 2009 and now and compare it to Government borrowing. One is at rock bottom and has been for the last 11 years, the other is at sky high levels.
Had the UK made no effort to reduce its deficit then interest would have been higher.0 -
Back into T3 for you...Foxy said:Bad news in Leicester. Last week looked to have levelled off then this:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1318242504274251781?s=20
Numbers are such that theatre recovery is being converted to overflow Covid ICU again. Not only are the hospital numbers up, but this significantly impacts on surgical turnover for other conditions.
So not my usual chirpy self...0 -
Parliamentary sovereignty.Jonathan said:
As what?Philip_Thompson said:
The Union is not as important.Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318272366187859968
https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318275128254398465
BoZo has killed the Union. Twat.
If you believe Parliament should be sovereign then that is quite reasonably more important than whether all elements of the union wish to remain within the UK. Elements of the union have left in the past, its not that big of a deal.0 -
IS it conceivable that HUNTER Biden was named for the infamous HUNTER S. Thompson?
OR could Hunter B. actually be HST's love child??
IF any of the above is true, could it be the (2nd) October Surpise of 2020???0 -
How many people in Scotland would vote for Brexit but then decide that being in the UK is better than an independent Scotland.Philip_Thompson said:
The Union is not as important.Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318272366187859968
https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1318275128254398465
BoZo has killed the Union. Twat.
Then take that miniscule number and deduct those who don't think Boris is a twat...
The Union is screwed.0 -
So Britain ceasing to exist is less important to Phillip than Britain leaving the EU. What a pathetic state of affairs.
Reminds me of my Zx Spectrum playing Monopoly. The AI would do anything to complete a set, including giving me the properties in the set.
Utterly self defeating.2 -
Leicester has been in Tier 2 or worse since 23rd March. We have never been out.FrancisUrquhart said:
Back into T3 for you...Foxy said:Bad news in Leicester. Last week looked to have levelled off then this:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1318242504274251781?s=20
Numbers are such that theatre recovery is being converted to overflow Covid ICU again. Not only are the hospital numbers up, but this significantly impacts on surgical turnover for other conditions.
So not my usual chirpy self...0 -
Too much, too young.TheScreamingEagles said:Sunak wants to be PM, but he also knows his popularity is about to go mammary glands up at the end of the month.
Says a lot that Sunak has been made to look a fourth rate operator by Andy Burnham (sic).0 -
Making the T3 negotiable was up there with one of the biggest mistakes of this system.Scott_xP said:0 -
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