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@TSE - My dear fellow, if under your tenure as Supreme Dictator, the Church of England is not forbidden from using any translation of the Bible other than the King James Authorised Version, then what in the name of heaven is the point of having a Supreme Dictator in the first place?

dodrade said:

kle4 said:

Off topic, but you pays your money and you take your choice.

G'dn front page: Cameron accused of blackmail over threat to leave EU
T'graph front page: Cameron winning major allies to prevent federalist leading EU

Two very different views and interpretations of the latest showdown. Or maybe they are both right, and the blackmail is working by getting more allies.

I assume that as Merkel has backed Junker it is almost certain he will get the job, and that Cameron is just trying to sound tough, and of course he was never alone in being opposed to Junker being the president of the Commission, but if he could manage to prevent it I guess he could get a boost for awhile, though I cannot see 'preventing major Federalist from being Commission President' drawing back in many Cameron doubters. In fact, not succeeding might well in the short term be better, as I presume any other candidate proposed for the job would hold pretty much identical views as Junker on the EU anyway, so better for Cameron to just complain about it.

Wasn't there a TV debate between the candidates? I don't see how Cameron can possibly get his way on this.

I doubt he can either, but IIRC the debates were a sham anyway, because there is nothing in the law that says the Commission president must be one of those candidates, merely that when making the choice the Council (I think it's them, although I get confused between such things as the European Council and the Council of Europe, which are not the same thing) must 'take into account' the result of the election.

The candidates and the parliament are choosing to interpret it in their own way, but the people of Europe did not vote for a president, the law doesn't say the largest group will have its candidate become president, so Cameron would not be subverting any democratic mandate by insisting upo someone else.

But as any candidate would be heavily pro-EU, how could they not be, I suspect it is all just smoke and noise for its own sake. The fact they went through with that debate was probably solely to make anyone considering anyone but those candidates think twice, but trying to present the decision as a fait accompli, ie, 'We've already promised the people of Europe it will be one of these people; sure legally it's a bit iffy, but you really want to cause a kerfuffle over this? Is it worth it?'

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

philiph said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Church of England has come out against HS2

Church of England to pray that HS2 will be halted

The Church of England has announced its opposition to HS2 - saying the high speed rail line will desecrate graves and shatter peace

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/hs2/10868907/Church-of-England-to-pray-that-HS2-will-be-halted.html

Ridiculous use of Church resources, time and prayer.

Time to disestablish the Church of England.

I thought you weren't really in favour of HS2?

I'

Which version of Ezekiel 23:20? A quick google search reveals to me that some of the non King James Versions simply lack genuine class.

New Living Translation

She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey's and emissions like those of a horse.

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

philiph said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Church of England has come out against HS2

Church of England to pray that HS2 will be halted

The Church of England has announced its opposition to HS2 - saying the high speed rail line will desecrate graves and shatter peace

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/hs2/10868907/Church-of-England-to-pray-that-HS2-will-be-halted.html

That sounds like a political position dressed up in no more than a theological mankini to make it a religious position rather than political.

Ridiculous use of Church resources, time and prayer.

Time to disestablish the Church of England.

I thought you weren't really in favour of HS2?

I'0

Which version of Ezekiel 23:20? A quick google search reveals to me that some of the non King James Versions simply lack genuine class.

New Living Translation

She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey's and emissions like those of a horse.

Oh, surely not. Those versions with 'Paramour' in them must be the front runner.

For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horse
King James Version

Truly, has there ever been a Labour Leader of the calibre of Ed Miliband? His name is a Byword for Authority and Decision; his Impeccable Baritone made all the more Resonant by the Sheer Force of his Character and the Innate Power of his Ideas.

Sometimes it is the prerogative of Great Thoughts to be before their time; yet others which were once considered Great must sadly wither when faced with confronted with the Cruel Taskmaster that is History. It is our Tremendous Privilege to live in one of the Great Ages of Civilisation, thanks alone to the Sterling Mind of Ed Miliband. After his Fundamental Reorientation of Labour as the One Nation Party, the Swing Voters at the Dog and Duck cannot contain their Excitement at his Prophetic and Fundamental Idea: Predistribution. We can pay for Predistribution using a Bankers' Bonus Tax.

Under the Vicious Cuts of the Tory Toffs, fine Public Servants Up and Down the Country have been Humiliated. Chris Smith was made a Scape Goat at the Environment Agency, despite being the first ever Chair to implement the Ground Breaking Diversity Initiative of ordering Equali-Tea Gay Awareness Mugs. The most Inspirational Speaker of a Generation - Michael Martin MP - was hounded out just for quite properly allowing Tory Toff Damien Green to be Arrested, despite being Scottish. Dame Suzi Leather was Persecuted for her Fine Campaign against the Iniquity of Private Schooling (you may not know, but Private Schooling is also known as Public Schooling to the Tory Vermin). The Tory Toffs have even tried to cut the Union Funding of the Labour Party! We can cement the New Order by Legislating for Gender Equality, Ethnic Diversity and Quotas by Sexuality throughout the Civil Service; under Labour, every worker should be compelled to join a Union; we should legislate to ensure every Union is adequately Compensated for their Sterling Work by the Taxpayer, and each Union can show their Eternal Gratitude to Ed Miliband by contributing Half of their Annual Taxpayer Revenues to the Peoples' Party. This can be paid for using a Bankers' Bonus Tax.

Miliband's Forebearance and Leadership are not limited to the Narrow Confines of the British Isles. Alone, he stood tall and rejected the Drumbeats of War from the Eton Toff. The peace in Syria, and indeed, throughout the Middle East today, can be attributed to Miliband and Miliband alone. I believe this Supreme Act of Service to the World deserves the Utmost Commemmoration. Mere Nobel Peace Prizes and other Trinkets will not Suffice: throughout the Ages, Miliband will be mentioned in the same breath as Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and Herman Van Rompuy. This is why I propose replacing the Statue of Churchill in Parliament Square with one of Ed. This can be paid for with a Bankers' Bonus Tax.

Though Cowards Flinch and Traitors Sneer, We'll Keep the Red Flag Flying Here. The Red Flag will be paid for with a Bankers' Bonus Tax.

Richard_Nabavi said:

@TSE - My dear fellow, if under your tenure as Supreme Dictator, the Church of England is not forbidden from using any translation of the Bible other than the King James Authorised Version, then what in the name of heaven is the point of having a Supreme Dictator in the first place?

I understand, I need to fully flesh out my policies.

I came up with a new policy for my tenure.

Anyone wanting to have children will need the approval of the state.

They will need to prove their gene pool is deep, have the financial resources to look after their offspring.

I plan on creating a QUANGO to run this.

Jeremy Kyle will be the head of this QUANGO.

Dean said:

I'd sooner a Romanian moving in next door than a Liberal Democrat

More chance of a Romanian moving in .........

AveryLP said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Danny565 said:

Something about UKIP's Newark candidate scares me. Never mind his political views, it's his moustache which looks it's come straight from 1980s gay porn that disturbs me.

Homophobe

Comrade Sunilsky

Why is the background to your Avatar purple on PB and red on twitter?

Is this duplicity?

Shouldn't it be pure sunil?

Do you think I should change it to purple on Twitter, Comrade Chancellor?

ProudToBeLabour said:

Don't give up the day job (unless you've found a way of getting paid for unfunnny prolixity).

Another graph I hope we see as a PB thread

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 10h

A reminder of the UKIP council seats split in what the BBC described as an "earthquake" at the
May 22 elections

pic.twitter.com/ZT5uhXS6ar

twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/473076398014615552

Sunil_Prasannan said:

AveryLP said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Danny565 said:

Something about UKIP's Newark candidate scares me. Never mind his political views, it's his moustache which looks it's come straight from 1980s gay porn that disturbs me.

Homophobe

Comrade Sunilsky

Why is the background to your Avatar purple on PB and red on twitter?

Is this duplicity?

Shouldn't it be pure sunil?

Do you think I should change it to purple on Twitter, Comrade Chancellor?

Only if you grow a moustache, join the Handlebar Club and attend its Annual General Meeting.

This, I think, is a photograph of said club's AGM attendees although it may be of a more recent UKIP husting in Newark.

http://bit.ly/1nGcU4R

Ninoinoz said:

kle4 said:

Ninoinoz said:

You may disagree with my view that the CoE is playing politics and using a flimsy moral argument to justify it and that's all well and good, but I struggle to see any comments from people which are bigoted against the church itself.

Take a look at The Screaming Eagles' comment then.

As citizens, clergymen have as much right to participate in the political debate as anybody else, if not moreso.

I do not think @TSE is being 100% sincere in all his comments(except the bits about being dictator, those are serious), but thinking that a church that is part of the State should not interfere with other parts of the State is a point of view (not my own, not quite, but a view nonetheless), not a bigoted position, and you were pretty clear that 'the bigots' were coming to the surface, plural.

I am fine with clergymen participating in political debate (I don't really see why they might have 'more' of a right to do so than anyone else because of their self imposed moral authority), but if its going to be framed as a moral intervention, it should be more plausible than this particular statement. If they just want to favour one political view, they can choose to do that (it might be inadvisable, but they can do it if they want), but the weakness of their argument on that point for this one makes it look like they want to make a political point but wish to pretend it is not political.

Interesting how the non-ironic wearing of moustaches is out of fashion at the moment. Everything else is okay — designer stubble, beards without moustaches, bushy beards, clean-shaven, goatees.

foxinsoxuk said:

Ministers should be called by God, not elected. Democracy, not even by AV, does not have a place, though congregations do vote with their feet.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Perhaps we should have a Directly Elected Archbishop of Canterbury.

I made a few bob on the last Papal election.

So I'm looking for more opportunities.

As an aside, Robert and his Dad once mentioned that during the Papal election in 2005, PB started getting a visitor or two with an IP address from Vatican City.

HurstLlama said:

AveryLP said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

AveryLP said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Danny565 said:

Something about UKIP's Newark candidate scares me. Never mind his political views, it's his moustache which looks it's come straight from 1980s gay porn that disturbs me.

Homophobe

Comrade Sunilsky

Why is the background to your Avatar purple on PB and red on twitter?

Is this duplicity?

Shouldn't it be pure sunil?

Do you think I should change it to purple on Twitter, Comrade Chancellor?

Only if you grow a moustache, join the Handlebar Club and attend its Annual General Meeting.

This, I think, is a photograph of said club's AGM attendees although it may be of a more recent UKIP husting in Newark.

http://bit.ly/1nGcU4R

More moustacheist comments! This site is becoming unbearably bigoted.

Are you accusing me of being a Taschist, Mr Llama?

Ninoinoz said:

kle4 said:

You may disagree with my view that the CoE is playing politics and using a flimsy moral argument to justify it and that's all well and good, but I struggle to see any comments from people which are bigoted against the church itself.

Take a look at The Screaming Eagles' comment then.

As citizens, clergymen have as much right to participate in the political debate as anybody else, if not moreso.

As citizens they can do what they like. They just need to get their arses out of the Lord's first.

TheScreamingEagles said:

isam said:

ON TOPIC

Is the graph in the thread header correct?

These are the figures from last Sundays poll

Comfortable with Romanian (German) family next door (net):
Con: +1 (+63)
Lab: +25 (+61)
LD: +50 (+75)
UKIP: -55 (+16)

Big differences

Yes, page 9 from here

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/8fglspvdzl/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-140530.pdf

Aha! Got it..

a big increase in Romanian love all round in a week

UKIP up 19
LD up 30
Lab up 33
Con up 14

Regarding the "earthquake" @MikeSmithson keeps referring to, thinking he is being clever, Farage described potentially winning the Euros as an earthquake, not the locals. Dont know why Mike keeps making this mistake

Clutching at straws?

Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Romanians!

The Daily Mail is making things up again, reporting that Roger Helmer is a "retired colonel" which is a complete fiction:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644905/Newark-election-Will-brazen-dandy-really-cause-UKIP-earthquake-Meet-Roger-Helmer-Tory-defector-views-immigration-gays-make-Nigel-Farage-look-progressive.html

Ninoinoz said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Ministers should be called by God, not elected. Democracy, not even by AV, does not have a place, though congregations do vote with their feet.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Perhaps we should have a Directly Elected Archbishop of Canterbury.

I made a few bob on the last Papal election.

So I'm looking for more opportunities.

As an aside, Robert and his Dad once mentioned that during the Papal election in 2005, PB started getting a visitor or two with an IP address from Vatican City.

To be fair, that's to elect a bishop, someone who is probably a bishop already and almost certainly a priest.

The last Pope not to already be a priest was already a deacon i.e. clergy.

When J Christ of Nazereth committed criminal damage on the money lenders tables, he made sure he'd got a few quid on St Peter to be the first pope beforehand .
Bet void though, not open to founding members of the religion or God and God's immediate family. No wonder he went bananas

It is perhaps his physical resemblence and antedeluvian that does it.

To my mind he looks more like the Viz character Major Misunderstanding.

"Major Misunderstanding – As his name suggests, he often misunderstands situations, and is seemingly unable to interpret incidences in their own context, instead viewing them through the prism of his own prejudices, typically centered on inter-war upper-class values. For example, he once believed that a blood donor van was a chip van, and berated the nurse operating the van for trying to bring "unwanted custom" (i.e. proles) to his "close-knit community". The Major has mistaken hooded monks for Asbos and vendors at a church fete for asylum seekers.He is apparently a retired major who dresses in the regimental blazer, cravat, slacks and has a bushywalrus moustache "

The Major features in the latest edition it seems...

AndyJS said:

The Daily Mail is making things up again, reporting that Roger Helmer is a "retired colonel" which is a complete fiction:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644905/Newark-election-Will-brazen-dandy-really-cause-UKIP-earthquake-Meet-Roger-Helmer-Tory-defector-views-immigration-gays-make-Nigel-Farage-look-progressive.html

foxinsoxuk said:

It is perhaps his physical resemblence and antedeluvian that does it.

To my mind he looks more like the Viz character Major Misunderstanding.

"Major Misunderstanding – As his name suggests, he often misunderstands situations, and is seemingly unable to interpret incidences in their own context, instead viewing them through the prism of his own prejudices, typically centered on inter-war upper-class values. For example, he once believed that a blood donor van was a chip van, and berated the nurse operating the van for trying to bring "unwanted custom" (i.e. proles) to his "close-knit community". The Major has mistaken hooded monks for Asbos and vendors at a church fete for asylum seekers.He is apparently a retired major who dresses in the regimental blazer, cravat, slacks and has a bushywalrus moustache "

The Major features in the latest edition it seems...

AndyJS said:

The Daily Mail is making things up again, reporting that Roger Helmer is a "retired colonel" which is a complete fiction:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644905/Newark-election-Will-brazen-dandy-really-cause-UKIP-earthquake-Meet-Roger-Helmer-Tory-defector-views-immigration-gays-make-Nigel-Farage-look-progressive.html

Oh yes and I suppose all Labour MPs are militant socialists, all Tories eat babies and LDs are wimps who wear socks with sandals

But damn that Nigel Farage and his stereotypical views of Romanians vs Germans (backed up by supporters of all other parties)

I think the Modern Parents are the Lib Dems...

But Roger Helmet as the public face of UKIP, if he wins, will be excellent entertainment.

isam said:

foxinsoxuk said:

It is perhaps his physical resemblence and antedeluvian that does it.

To my mind he looks more like the Viz character Major Misunderstanding.

"Major Misunderstanding – As his name suggests, he often misunderstands situations, and is seemingly unable to interpret incidences in their own context, instead viewing them through the prism of his own prejudices, typically centered on inter-war upper-class values. For example, he once believed that a blood donor van was a chip van, and berated the nurse operating the van for trying to bring "unwanted custom" (i.e. proles) to his "close-knit community". The Major has mistaken hooded monks for Asbos and vendors at a church fete for asylum seekers.He is apparently a retired major who dresses in the regimental blazer, cravat, slacks and has a bushywalrus moustache "

The Major features in the latest edition it seems...

AndyJS said:

The Daily Mail is making things up again, reporting that Roger Helmer is a "retired colonel" which is a complete fiction:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644905/Newark-election-Will-brazen-dandy-really-cause-UKIP-earthquake-Meet-Roger-Helmer-Tory-defector-views-immigration-gays-make-Nigel-Farage-look-progressive.html

Oh yes and I suppose all Labour MPs are militant socialists, all Tories eat babies and LDs are wimps who wear socks with sandals

But damn that Nigel Farage and his stereotypical views of Romanians vs Germans (backed up by supporters of all other parties)

foxinsoxuk said:

But Roger Helmet as the public face of UKIP, if he wins, will be excellent entertainment.

As Roger stands for UKIP, shouldn't that be Purple Helmet?

Socrates said:

The borough is only 30% or so Bangladeshi, yet no-one outside that group gets near political power. It's disgusting

So it's the outcome of the elections as well as the questions over the electoral processes that has you so exercised?

foxinsoxuk said:

I think the Modern Parents are the Lib Dems...

But Roger Helmet as the public face of UKIP, if he wins, will be excellent entertainment.

isam said:

foxinsoxuk said:

It is perhaps his physical resemblence and antedeluvian that does it.

To my mind he looks more like the Viz character Major Misunderstanding.

"Major Misunderstanding – As his name suggests, he often misunderstands situations, and is seemingly unable to interpret incidences in their own context, instead viewing them through the prism of his own prejudices, typically centered on inter-war upper-class values. For example, he once believed that a blood donor van was a chip van, and berated the nurse operating the van for trying to bring "unwanted custom" (i.e. proles) to his "close-knit community". The Major has mistaken hooded monks for Asbos and vendors at a church fete for asylum seekers.He is apparently a retired major who dresses in the regimental blazer, cravat, slacks and has a bushywalrus moustache "

The Major features in the latest edition it seems...

AndyJS said:

The Daily Mail is making things up again, reporting that Roger Helmer is a "retired colonel" which is a complete fiction:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644905/Newark-election-Will-brazen-dandy-really-cause-UKIP-earthquake-Meet-Roger-Helmer-Tory-defector-views-immigration-gays-make-Nigel-Farage-look-progressive.html

Oh yes and I suppose all Labour MPs are militant socialists, all Tories eat babies and LDs are wimps who wear socks with sandals

But damn that Nigel Farage and his stereotypical views of Romanians vs Germans (backed up by supporters of all other parties)

Socrates said:

isam said:

Socrates said:

Stolen election in the heart of London

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10867666/Stolen-election-in-the-heart-of-London.html

Every lefties favourite borough. Dont dare question the fact that barely anyone speaks English and street signs are in Bengali

There has always been immigration, its always been like this

Given the disgrace towards democracy that has happened there, I think it would be perfectly reasonable for central government to step it and run new elections there, with postal and proxy voting banned, and outside people counting the vote. The borough is only 30% or so Bangladeshi, yet no-one outside that group gets near political power. It's disgusting, and left-wingers are too cowardly to condemn it.

English the first language of no one in the house hold

Over 20% in almost half of Tower Hamlets

#onenation

foxinsoxuk said:

I think the Modern Parents are the Lib Dems...

But Roger Helmet as the public face of UKIP, if he wins, will be excellent entertainment.

isam said:

foxinsoxuk said:

It is perhaps his physical resemblence and antedeluvian that does it.

To my mind he looks more like the Viz character Major Misunderstanding.

"Major Misunderstanding – As his name suggests, he often misunderstands situations, and is seemingly unable to interpret incidences in their own context, instead viewing them through the prism of his own prejudices, typically centered on inter-war upper-class values. For example, he once believed that a blood donor van was a chip van, and berated the nurse operating the van for trying to bring "unwanted custom" (i.e. proles) to his "close-knit community". The Major has mistaken hooded monks for Asbos and vendors at a church fete for asylum seekers.He is apparently a retired major who dresses in the regimental blazer, cravat, slacks and has a bushywalrus moustache "

The Major features in the latest edition it seems...

AndyJS said:

The Daily Mail is making things up again, reporting that Roger Helmer is a "retired colonel" which is a complete fiction:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644905/Newark-election-Will-brazen-dandy-really-cause-UKIP-earthquake-Meet-Roger-Helmer-Tory-defector-views-immigration-gays-make-Nigel-Farage-look-progressive.html

Oh yes and I suppose all Labour MPs are militant socialists, all Tories eat babies and LDs are wimps who wear socks with sandals

But damn that Nigel Farage and his stereotypical views of Romanians vs Germans (backed up by supporters of all other parties)

The cool thing about winning is you get to leave the childish insults for the bitter and unpopular

Socrates said:

Neil said:

Socrates said:

The borough is only 30% or so Bangladeshi, yet no-one outside that group gets near political power. It's disgusting

So it's the outcome of the elections as well as the questions over the electoral processes that has you so exercised?

The outcome of the elections isn't exactly independent of massive electoral abuse, is it?

Your statement seemed to indicate that you find the outcome distasteful in itself.

Socrates said:

I actually do find it distasteful when someone picks a cabinet entirely of one race

I bet there are many, many local authorities out there for you to be disgusted by!

Socrates said:

Neil said:

Socrates said:

I actually do find it distasteful when someone picks a cabinet entirely of one race

I bet there are many, many local authorities out there for you to be disgusted by!

In ethnically diverse boroughs? Perhaps you could link another council where every member comes from an ethnic group making up just a third of the borough?

It wont have happened anywhere else is odds on

AndyJS said:

The Daily Mail is making things up again, reporting that Roger Helmer is a "retired colonel" which is a complete fiction:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644905/Newark-election-Will-brazen-dandy-really-cause-UKIP-earthquake-Meet-Roger-Helmer-Tory-defector-views-immigration-gays-make-Nigel-Farage-look-progressive.html

It looks as though the journalist has used the words "his retired colonel’s moustache" merely to describe the style of moustache, but that those words have been misunderstood by the sub-editor who transplanted the words "Retired colonel, 70, says..." into the sub-heading at the top.