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But was it better or worse than Maggie's " we are being swamped" comment ?
Different question; different answer.
The inteeresting finding, which should really be in the thread header, is that people of all political persuasions preferred to live next door to Germans than Romanians.
Farage said their was a difference, and got streams of abuse... but this survey proved him to be on the right side of public opinion
Your comments about post-war Polish immigration seem to implicitly accept the principle.
That says more about you than anything else.
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The Electoral Commission has ruled that they consider it inappropriate to be a member of both - it's obviously impossible to do both at once with any diligence. Not sure that has legal force, but I can't imagine Helmer wants to - he nearly stood down a few years ago, and it was only a squabble with the Tory party about the next name on the list (which I never understood, as I thought it was automatic) that pushed him into UKIP.
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I don't see that it is obviously impossible to do both at once with any diligence. I imagine it would be very hard to do both with proper diligence, but if it has been done before, and the Commission are now saying it is not proper, then they are saying they consider those who did it before to be crap at their jobs and by extension that the people who elected someone to either position when they already held one of the others, to be fools. It's also very hard to be a Minister and do constituency work diligently on top of ministerial duties I imagine, is it in appropriate to be a Minister while having constituents to serve?
People can make the choice for themselves if they want to take the risk that the person would not do both with appropriate diligence, and punish them accordingly if they don't and yet refuse to give one up. Trickier with MEPs of course, since it's done on a party list I suppose.
It does seem correct to me that one should be full time one or the other to do the job properly, but if the rules do not prohibit it, it's up to the candidates regardless of whether other people think it is appropriate. There are local councillors who are 18 and 80+, some would argue they are less likely to be able to do the job with proper diligence, but I'm sure we all know plenty who can manage it with ease. So it might well be for MP and MEP sharing. Just because it would be very hard to do both doesn't mean it is impossible.
Besides, plenty of people seem happy to vote in crappy representatives.
FPT
More like a 39% move. From 6.5 to 4.
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6.5 (11/2) is 15.3%, and 4 (3/1) is 25%, so its a 10% move. Well 9.7%
He has been vindicated once again it seems, at least in the sense that the public also make a distinction, although didn't he apologise? Or did he? I'm still not clear on that. If he did, it's harder to take it back to say, 'See, I was right all along'. It's like the whole Duffy business, where plenty did and still do say that Brown was right to call the woman a bigot, only it's undermined because Brown apologised saying that he was wrong to think that.
We know from the polling that a majority of people prefer Germans to Romanians as neighbours, and I would bet a lot of money at short odds that most people would prefer to live next door to a family than a group of men, regardless of nationality.
What Farage said was bang in line with public opinion. Most politicians wouldnt dare say it, thats why a lot of people feel the old 3 parties dont represent them anymore
Roger Helmer @RogerHelmerMEP 7m
Just walked into The Crown in Bathley. Roar of support from folk having their lunch. Fantastic. R.
Might as well kill two birds with one stone.
Good on College for grasping the opportunity!
Isn't that an unfair question to pose? I thought the options available were a group of Romanian men and (from the DJ) some German children.
FPT: Mr. Jones, yeah, I've heard that. The counter-argument is that a new writer without a large readership can get more readers with a lower price (I know I consider price quite carefully, and did even when my wallet was a little less anorexic).
Mr. Llama keeps suggesting I hike prices, but I have had the cost of the comedy ($2.99, about £1.80 or so now) raised as a potentially off-putting issue.
Sunil on Sunday headline today:
STICK IT UP YOUR JUNCKER!
Here is pictorial evidence of the pub before the carnage:
http://bit.ly/1u4Q3zh
Give me a long YouGov-generated multiple choice list of Ideal Next Door Neighbours and I'll be scanning down the list for the "Swedish teenage blonde nymphomanic nudists with an allergy to net-curtains" option straight away.
If I could be bothered I'd skim back for the German People Trafficking Gang and the Nice Romanian Family Who Go To Church options to tick my less important preferences afterwards.
In 1990 I employed a Romanian aslyum seeker. He had fled Bucharest three years before without his wife and child. He spoke no English on arrival in the UK, but was fluent in Romanian, German, Spanish and Italian. By the time I interviewed him, he was fluent in English too. And a year after being given responsibility for Romania and Hungary, he had learnt Hungarian too (not an easy task even for a natural linguist!).
Eventually he was granted residence and his family joined him. They lived deep in a Lib Dem enclave in South West London and were a charming couple.
Yes, he was a little eccentric, but so were we all, not least myself!
It was South West London not his nationality which would have prevented me being his neighbour.
Indeed, had he been in the constituency you contested at the time, I would have had ten of him or his families living next door.
I think overplaying the racist card is a fantastically counter-productive development by the Left. It takes all of the meaning and venom out of the word Racist and makes it anodyne and trivial.
So Nick Palmer says I'm racist? A few years ago I would have taken serious offence at that. Now it's become such a wishy-washy term I feel that I've been called worse at traffic lights.
Edit for grammar and spelling idiocy
I think there is a difference between racism and playing on stereotypes. For example, would you consider the old "An Englishman, an Irishman, and a Scotsman..." style jokes to be racist?
Although I agree that the generalisations are unfair on the real people.
The Romanians played their part in the Holocaust and in Operation Barbarossa, alright, Dr Fox!!
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That would be even worse than being Spanish!
Someone spouting such views justifying discrimination has no credibility to accuse others of racism.
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You can tell by the PVC frames on the garden facing windows.
Richard Tyndall will be along soon to confirm. It is his half drunk pint in the foreground.
And there is nothing worse than being Spanish. But if I was - I'd be too lazy, drunk and unemployed to be worried about stereotyping.
By the way, I do think it would be fun to see the reactions if Cameron were to propose Tony Blair rather than Juncker.
Bloody German oompah band next door! Where is my Lancaster when I need it!
Ah! Stereotyping Lib Dems. Bring in the discrimination police.
You've actually done me a favour. I'm racist in your eyes and I've just realised that the accusation really doesn't bother me at all. In Lefty-world I should probably be mortified.
is there such a thing as a dictaphone app for smartphones? Just wondering if a conversation could be recorded fairly easily on a smartphone. [NB just for a story, I'm not actually looking to use such a thing].
Ladbrokes are best price now at 3/1, an Betfair arb
It also records calls too if I need that.
Rang them to increase it to five figures...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644905/Newark-election-Will-brazen-dandy-really-cause-UKIP-earthquake-Meet-Roger-Helmer-Tory-defector-views-immigration-gays-make-Nigel-Farage-look-progressive.html
Of all the allies of Nazi Germany, Romania bears responsibility for the deaths of more Jews than any country other than Germany itself. The murders committed in Iasi, Odessa, Bogdanovka, Domanovka, and Peciora, for example, were among the most hideous murders committed against Jews anywhere during the Holocaust. Romania committed genocide against the Jews. The survival of Jews in some parts of the country does not alter this reality.
Newark are fortunate that someone with such talent is willing to try and get by on a backbencher's salary. Hopefully it will not just be a backbencher's salary for too long.
I expect you'd get similar answers from Lib Dems if you asked them if they'd be happy using a Nigerian financial adviser, or having a Catholic priest babysit their children, or having Tower Hamlets Bangladeshis in charge of ballot counting.
It's this blind faith in ideology that is leading the Lib Dems to extinction. They need to open their eyes and ears or it will be too late.
And should we criticise someone for having the fortune/foresight to marry a talented and hard-working woman?
"Hopefully it will not just be a backbencher's salary for too long"
Yes, The poor soul will have to borrow the price of a pint for a night out with the lads. On the other hand, he could always go to a foodbank to save a few bob?
God bless his little cotton socks.
Given the number of women who marry for money, there should be no discrimination the other way round.
Has the Tory campaign been selling Jenrick as an ordinary bloke? That's the only circumstance I can see it mattering.
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Does being elected to Parliament preclude outside work? If not, you are perhaps pushing the "relative poverty" angle a bit past the tipping point.
Just as long as they aren't Mackems - too many of them in the street already!
Thanks.
Potential such positions: pro-EU, pro-immigration, supportive of drug decriminalisation (akin to Portugal), a shift towards taxation on wealth instead of income (keeping total levels consistent), hugely liberalise planning permission (including in non-flood plain greenbelt areas) to encourage house building, etc...
With the Conservatives obsessing over the EU and Labour deciding which market the state should intervene in next, the Lib Dems could be the only fiscally responsible and pro-business party - but with enough radical policies to not come across as just supporting the status quo.
I have heard Operation Bagration pronounced 3 different ways in WW2 documentaries
Soviet Storm: Bag-rat-eon
Battlefield: Bag-ray-schon
Road to Berlin: Bag-rat-een
Which (if any) of these is the correct way?
"We were pleased with the recent election results, particularly in some of the local council elections. We are now in direct opposition in Solihull for example, and we had strong results in the East Midlands."
"It's hard to tell how we will do in this by-election, but we have a message for real change and positive change. We are the only party who believes the NHS should be kept public, the only party to oppose HS2, and one of our main issues is being against fracking, which a lot of people are concerned about."
UNISON worker Mr Kirwan, who says he is the only local candidate within the main five parties, said he would campaign to stop fracking in the Newark area, pointing instead to solar panels as a better way to provide renewable energy.
Mr Kirwan said: "Although Newark doesn't have new sites for fracking, we know there will be planning applications for fracking in the next few years.
"It's important that people understand the repercussions of fracking, it's a short-term energy solution, and the fact that the government are planning to buy people out in exchange for drilling under their house tells you it's a bad idea. The Newark Advertiser.
AS I SAY, DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE GREENS AND THEIR PROGRESS BASED ON OPPOSING FRACKING. UKIP'S BIGGEST MISTAKE IS SUPPORTING FRACKING, AND COULD COST THEM THEIR NEWARK BREAKTHROUGH. FRACKING IS NOT ON THE MSM RADAR, BUT IS BECOMING AN ELECTION TURNING ISSUE. WILL SOMEONE NOTIFY FARAGE PLEASE.
The way the NSA are going, smart phones probably have the technology already embedded.
(Just kidding, I don't believe in "the lizards" either....... though most Tories are fairly cold blooded)
Mr. Tapestry, interesting fracking comments.
They are far more bothered by the threats of wind turbines. If you travel round the constituency you will see lots of signs opposing wind turbines but none opposing fracking.... except those brought along by the delusional Greens.
If you are going to have outlandish theories please try and make them a little more difficult to refute or it takes all the fun out of it.
Bennett is also lying. The Greens are not the only party to oppose HS2. UKIP opposes it as well and when it comes to the NHS I am pretty sure all the other parties would dispute the claim that the Greens are the only party which believes the NHS should be kept public. If that is the best Bennett can do then she deserved to be laughed out of town. .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration
Then the phonetic pronunciation of his name is probably correct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Bagration
[edit] just in case Mrs SSC reads this - only joking..! ; )
Owen Paterson could well lose his seat in the next GE if he hasn't taken a leap upwards to dodge the anger of his constituents. The BBC won't mention fracking as an issue, until the fracking companies apply for permission to actually frack. They apply first to merely drill, and no discussion of fracking gets into the media as a result. It makes it easier for the frackers to get planning permission doing it in two steps, and the media plays along with the charade hiding the controversy that rages at local level.
The politics is therefore below the radar, and only appears in local newspapers.
Local people organise protest groups and campaign vigorously once they know their areas are threatened, as the Green candidate in Newark is clearly aware.
Politicalbetting and the like only pick up the signal once it's in the main media. This one is powerful and happening at grass roots.
level. http://youtu.be/WsGXA5J7ssw
EDIT - Thanks as well to MD
Let's just pretend those Roma in Marble Arch don't exist.