YouGov’s US election model is just out and projects a Biden landslide – politicalbetting.com
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What people (and I like to think pb Tories are people) forget is that #ClassicDom's control room with big tellies and smart SpAds was previously used when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister and it did not work then either.Scott_xP said:Just imagine how bad it would have been if Dom didn't have his Mission Control up and running to avoid any Comms shitshows...
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Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
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The experts themselves said thatRobD said:
They have yet to be implemented, so I am not sure how you can confidently claim that.CorrectHorseBattery said:So these measures are not going to work as I said earlier. Looks like my suggestion that a national lockdown is coming and the experts know it, was not too far off the mark
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Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.1 -
Genuine LOLkle4 said:
In fairness that's basically how I see things in the country even without a pandemic.eek said:
Does this helpAndy_JS said:Is there a map anywhere showing which tier an area has been placed in?
https://twitter.com/cjcheesecake/status/1315718946964860928
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Off topic, I would be surprised if Princess Diana was not being eavesdropped by the security services. Far easier than catching terrorists, but quite significant to the reputation and security of the monarchy.0
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Khan is doing what the Government has failed to do and taking decisive action early. That's the right approach, I just wish Johnson had the balls to do the same, in one direction or the other.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
Peston hasn't done well in all of this. Ministers were treating him almost as a comedy act at one point. I think it was Hancock that answered one of his blowy questions with just a one word 'no'.Mexicanpete said:
The Neil Kinnock school of linguistics.FrancisUrquhart said:Peston using 1000 words to ask a 10 word question....
I don't think any of the Journalist have done well, I guess all their contacts effectively burned.1 -
Without wanting to be mean why is it that Scott xP quoting Richard Horton doesn't come as a surprise.1
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No, he was describing if no additional local restrictions were applied, which was discussed earlier about additional businesses being closed in different areas. That's part of the top tier restrictions, as he himself says.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The experts themselves said thatRobD said:
They have yet to be implemented, so I am not sure how you can confidently claim that.CorrectHorseBattery said:So these measures are not going to work as I said earlier. Looks like my suggestion that a national lockdown is coming and the experts know it, was not too far off the mark
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From the local area POV if you are Level 3 then without argument all sorts of hospitality/night economy activities get paid out at reasonable rates for being closed. If you are at Level 2 they can all carry on but can't make money. For loads of people Level 3 is better.IanB2 said:
The government clearly feels it doesnt have the capital to push restrictions any further without buyin from the local authorities themselves. If you listen to the PM opening the Commons debate earlier, he as good as says as much.Scott_xP said:
The Tier 2 is actually a marginal relaxation for those areas already under local restrictions, and my guess is that the intention was to move the whole of the North into Tier 3 until Burnham started gathering the locals in opposition. Liverpool seems to have been caught out when the government dropped the rest of the North and is now trying to row back on whatever it said to government in private.
The irony is that, had local authorities been allowed to lead in the first place, many of them might well have followed public opinion in moving faster toward local restrictions. But since the government has kept everything under very centralised control, they clearly don't feel minded to give a discredited government political cover by rubber stamping something being imposed on them.
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Dont count your Chlorinated ChickenSeaShantyIrish2 said:
1992: Speed kills - and speed (as in rapid response by Clinton campaign) killed Bush the Elder's re-electionTimT said:
For me it was the Senate's impeachment hearings. I think that charade not only exposed Trump, but resulted in many non-partisans being disgusted at the Senate GOP's spinelessness.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have never doubted Trump was gone as soon as he got covid and confirmed how much a pratt he iskinabalu said:
Hmm. Have you really being saying that for some time, Big G? I think you first called it on Wednesday, didn't you?Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I have been saying for some time, it is all over for TrumpAnabobazina said:Subsample alert but the just-out NYT/Siena rustbelt polling seems to suggest a fairly notable shift of white men from Trump to Biden since 2016.
At least something is going right
But Covid. Covid, Covid. Those of the nails in his coffin.
2020: COVID kills - and looks like COVID is killing Trumpsky's re-election0 -
Captain useless.CorrectHorseBattery said:1 -
What do you mean he’s “taking decisive action”? He’s not taking any action. He doesn’t have the power to. He’s certainly been encouraging people to go on “one last bender” for weeks now though.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Khan is doing what the Government has failed to do and taking decisive action early. That's the right approach, I just wish Johnson had the balls to do the same, in one direction or the other.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)
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Why national? Everything seems fairly benign here in Hampshire, cases creeping up but nothing to panic about. In many ways it is better to have local lockdowns, the full forces of the State can be brought to bear on, for example, Liverpool. Which is what the Chinese did in Hubei and J think why the Italians are in a relatively good position despite the horror in LombardyCorrectHorseBattery said:So these measures are not going to work as I said earlier. Looks like my suggestion that a national lockdown is coming and the experts know it, was not too far off the mark
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Yes, Khan is going to "decisively" destroy what is left of the London economy. Bold and brave.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Khan is doing what the Government has failed to do and taking decisive action early. That's the right approach, I just wish Johnson had the balls to do the same, in one direction or the other.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
I live right in the heart of the er..top bit, and life is going with remarkably as usual in its blissful northern relaxed manner. It was quite a nice summer too and autumn colours just starting. Don't tell anyone.LadyG said:
Genuine LOLkle4 said:
In fairness that's basically how I see things in the country even without a pandemic.eek said:
Does this helpAndy_JS said:Is there a map anywhere showing which tier an area has been placed in?
https://twitter.com/cjcheesecake/status/1315718946964860928
*applauds*
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Oh.. I was all excited there for a moment. I thought it was this guy...Andy_JS said:Darren Grimes is live on the Triggernometry Youtube channel if anyone's interested.
https://youtu.be/eZUa5k_VIZg
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Count to four.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!0 -
You can feel something more coming down the line, which they cant mention let alone implement right now.JohnLilburne said:
Maybe a Circuit Breaker is still on the cards.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson says lockdown "right now" not right, well that's already a backtracking
Bottom line is that we have a weak government, which has blown its own political capital and credibility. Amazing when you think it's less than a year since the election.1 -
I have been thinking that Trump 180-209 is the best band on Bfx. I think he will just hold on to FL and TX.stodge said:
I'm at 290-161 with 87 too close to call at this time.TheWhiteRabbit said:If we're on the subject, I am currently projecting Biden 291 - 247 Trump.
On the spreads is looking good. I sold Trump at 245 on Spreadex.2 -
Remind me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Khan is doing what the Government has failed to do and taking decisive action early. That's the right approach, I just wish Johnson had the balls to do the same, in one direction or the other.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)
What action has Khan taken1 -
There is no evidence we’re close to achieving herd immunity.
Regardless, Starmer is playing a game and I can’t see the payoff currently.0 -
The threat levels are like the children in Lake Wobegone; all above average.ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.0 -
If the rumours about London Lockdown are anywhere near right I am going to just fuck, drink and Xanax myself to death. Why not. Life is over.
Gather ye Rose-buds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying:
And this same flower that smiles to day,
To morrow will be dying.
The glorious Lamp of Heaven, the Sun,
The higher he's a getting;
The sooner will his Race be run,
And neerer he's to Setting.
That Age is best, which is the first,
When Youth and Blood are warmer;
But being spent, the worse, and worst
Times, still succeed the former.
Then be not coy, but use your time;
And while ye may, go marry:
For having lost but once your prime,
You may forever tarry0 -
Horse is obsessed with lockdownJohnLilburne said:
Why national? Everything seems fairly benign here in Hampshire, cases creeping up but nothing to panic about. In many ways it is better to have local lockdowns, the full forces of the State can be brought to bear on, for example, Liverpool. Which is what the Chinese did in Hubei and J think why the Italians are in a relatively good position despite the horror in LombardyCorrectHorseBattery said:So these measures are not going to work as I said earlier. Looks like my suggestion that a national lockdown is coming and the experts know it, was not too far off the mark
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Well, it's because they don't want anyone to behave like they're low risk. No traffic light system as they wouldn't want "green".ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.0 -
Valencia now below 100/100,000 moving slowly down without too many draconian restrictions in terms of bars and restaurants. The whole region isn’t pensioners, with at least three large universities and schools back I do wonder that more relaxed but respected restrictions could be more successful.0
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Or like a Labour hospitals target.Stuartinromford said:
The threat levels are like the children in Lake Wobegone; all above average.ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.0 -
Of course Khan can’t take the actions himself directly but he’s doing the next best thing, asking for the Government to help. That is actually doing something.
He wants a London lockdown and however much it pains me to say it, he’s right.0 -
You're such a wag!Foxy said:
I thing you are barking up the wrong tree.SandyRentool said:
He's been hounded out of office.nichomar said:
Don’t forget the local dog catcher as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
If you're really lucky in America, next month you'll have votes for President, Senate, Congressional, Governor, State Houses/Senate races.Gallowgate said:
In 2015 I voted Green in the GE and Labour for Newcastle City Council. 😊TheScreamingEagles said:
It's a mixture of lower turnout in America (so they have to tweak that more in America, which increases the possibility of errors.)Anabobazina said:
Care to elaborate?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quite.Anabobazina said:Am I right in suggesting that this is the model that got the 2017 UK election result pretty much spot on?
It uses different variables and methodology, because Great Britain and the US have a different electoral geography.
There's also the issue that in some states you cannot ask mail in voters how they HAVE voted, so that skews the model, particularly in a pandemic world.
As a general rule there's only one or two elections on UK general election, for some Americans there's many more, and the possibility of split ticketing could skew the model, so they have to make assumptions for that too.
We don't have much split ticketing in the UK.
There's much more potential split ticketing.0 -
Maybe Sadiq is smart enough to see the benefits of a bit of pre-emptive action to avoid London's upward trajectory matching those in the north? I rather think that local leaders in Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle, Sheffield, and Nottingham will now be thinking that decisive action should have happened sooner - the trajectory's been clear for a few weeks now. London is probably just a few weeks behind.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
I rather disagree. He's trying to be seen to want others to take action now which will be expensive, but certainly won't be above what might be needed. He's basically making a totally safe play in midfield and trying to make it look decisive.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Khan is doing what the Government has failed to do and taking decisive action early. That's the right approach, I just wish Johnson had the balls to do the same, in one direction or the other.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)
When the shit was hitting the fan in March he was nowhere, and I'll bet rather heavily he'll be nowhere should difficult decisions need to be taken in the months ahead. It may well be this is simple and sensible politics from him, but I think he's actually just not up to the big decisions. Either way he's winning no prizes.1 -
Like the schools under Gove and Cummings, all above average. Are they the common, and innumerate, factor?Stuartinromford said:
The threat levels are like the children in Lake Wobegone; all above average.ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.0 -
I think Iowa might be back in play again - there have been a string of poor polls for Joni Ernst of late.Pulpstar said:
Peters seems to be a weak candidate from what I can gather on twitter. OTOH The Dems have a shot at Kansas https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/20201008_KS.pdfMrEd said:FYI, NYT / Siena poll out for the Michigan Siena race - Peters only now +1 ahead of James. That follows the CBS poll yesterday that showed Peters only at +3. Note 13% of the respondents in the NYT said refused / don't know
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/miwi1020-crosstabs/b0a09cd1cd0048df/full.pdf
James did this last time with Stabenow where he ended up strong and came in closer than expected. It looks the same pattern here and he started out less behind with Peters than he did with Stabenow.
Interestingly, the same NYT poll gives Biden as +8 in Michigan
My current "will flip" states are:
Arizona and Colorado. (And Alabama, of course.)
There are then two or three states which are now probables:
Iowa, Maine
Then there are the possibles:
Michigan, Georgia (x2), North Carolina
And then the theoreticals:
Montana, South Carolina
Maybe Kansas or Kentucky if it's an extraordinarily bad night for the Republicans
My best guess right now is that Arizona, Colorado, Iowa and Maine will go Dem, while Alabama goes Republican. I'd then expect one or two of my "possibles" to flip.0 -
So we have a three tier system with no lower tier and a highest risk tier which has multiple tiers.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!
And yesterday we were laughing about a blue and purple traffic light system.2 -
Local authorities have a vested interest and local knowledge to really enforce and clamp down on non compliant business activity. They can leave responsible businesses alone and go in hard on those who don’t bother. I’m sure the local approach works far better in encouraging enforcement, only holding back national override as a backstop.algarkirk said:
From the local area POV if you are Level 3 then without argument all sorts of hospitality/night economy activities get paid out at reasonable rates for being closed. If you are at Level 2 they can all carry on but can't make money. For loads of people Level 3 is better.IanB2 said:
The government clearly feels it doesnt have the capital to push restrictions any further without buyin from the local authorities themselves. If you listen to the PM opening the Commons debate earlier, he as good as says as much.Scott_xP said:
The Tier 2 is actually a marginal relaxation for those areas already under local restrictions, and my guess is that the intention was to move the whole of the North into Tier 3 until Burnham started gathering the locals in opposition. Liverpool seems to have been caught out when the government dropped the rest of the North and is now trying to row back on whatever it said to government in private.
The irony is that, had local authorities been allowed to lead in the first place, many of them might well have followed public opinion in moving faster toward local restrictions. But since the government has kept everything under very centralised control, they clearly don't feel minded to give a discredited government political cover by rubber stamping something being imposed on them.
The national law/guidance approach is just a blunt instrument, not allowing for variation for local and business specific circumstances and suffers from lack of populace buyin. And for all that people talk of local govt not having the resources - they could have been provided with the resources at a fraction of the cost wasted so far.0 -
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The lack of low makes sense, to avoid complacency. As for the very high state, doesn't it make sense that's the level at which localised restrictions can be used in a targeted fashion? Less need for that at the lower levels.Mexicanpete said:
So we have a three tier system with no lower tier and a highest risk tier which has multiple tiers.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!
And yesterday we were laughing about a blue and purple traffic light system.0 -
Remind me, is Health devolved to the Mayor of London?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Remind me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Khan is doing what the Government has failed to do and taking decisive action early. That's the right approach, I just wish Johnson had the balls to do the same, in one direction or the other.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)
What action has Khan taken1 -
People constantly attacked me all day for saying it was complicated and stupid and it won't help. Looks I was absolutely right, I expected no clarity from the worst Government we've had.Mexicanpete said:
So we have a three tier system with no lower tier and a highest risk tier which has multiple tiers.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!
And yesterday we were laughing about a blue and purple traffic light system.0 -
Actually there is, London is already proof that there is some level of herd immunity. We just had tens of thousands of students from all over the country come to London and yet no major outbreaks, some smaller ones but nothing like what we're seeing in the North.CorrectHorseBattery said:There is no evidence we’re close to achieving herd immunity.
Regardless, Starmer is playing a game and I can’t see the payoff currently.
The virus is running into too many potential hosts which are immune, especially among those who are likely to be out in the community.0 -
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
This is the one bit of the government strategy I understand.Stuartinromford said:
The threat levels are like the children in Lake Wobegone; all above average.ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.
How would people react if told their region was "LOW" risk?! Whoah! Go out and party!
Nowhere is Britain is low risk, right now, and HMG is correct to reject the label0 -
What's wrong with "Thanks PM"?stjohn said:I was shocked and stressed by the 7 pm government presentation. These are difficult times and it’s inevitable that the government’s announcements add to our worries.
But Rishi Sunak has tipped me into another level of stress with his, “Thanks PM”, schtick. Since when was this an appropriate way to address the highest elected person in our democracy?
Sunak has become “Will” from “The Inbetweeners” when he addresses the headmaster with, “”Thanks Phil”.
I now need to go and lie down now. Breathe slowly, calmly, deeply. It will be alright.
Would you prefer if he said "Thanks Boris"?0 -
He is oddly compellingBeibheirli_C said:
Oh.. I was all excited there for a moment. I thought it was this guy...Andy_JS said:Darren Grimes is live on the Triggernometry Youtube channel if anyone's interested.
https://youtu.be/eZUa5k_VIZg
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Thats a tail for another day.SandyRentool said:
You're such a wag!Foxy said:
I thing you are barking up the wrong tree.SandyRentool said:
He's been hounded out of office.nichomar said:
Don’t forget the local dog catcher as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
If you're really lucky in America, next month you'll have votes for President, Senate, Congressional, Governor, State Houses/Senate races.Gallowgate said:
In 2015 I voted Green in the GE and Labour for Newcastle City Council. 😊TheScreamingEagles said:
It's a mixture of lower turnout in America (so they have to tweak that more in America, which increases the possibility of errors.)Anabobazina said:
Care to elaborate?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quite.Anabobazina said:Am I right in suggesting that this is the model that got the 2017 UK election result pretty much spot on?
It uses different variables and methodology, because Great Britain and the US have a different electoral geography.
There's also the issue that in some states you cannot ask mail in voters how they HAVE voted, so that skews the model, particularly in a pandemic world.
As a general rule there's only one or two elections on UK general election, for some Americans there's many more, and the possibility of split ticketing could skew the model, so they have to make assumptions for that too.
We don't have much split ticketing in the UK.
There's much more potential split ticketing.0 -
I've heard 20% is the figure city wide, but some areas are as high as 40% and others as low as 10%.JohnLilburne said:
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
For the first two levels things are straight forward. It gets a little more complicated in the higher tier, because you have to look at what additional restrictions are in place at a local level. Quite why that is confusing is beyond me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
People constantly attacked me all day for saying it was complicated and stupid and it won't help. Looks I was absolutely right, I expected no clarity from the worst Government we've had.Mexicanpete said:
So we have a three tier system with no lower tier and a highest risk tier which has multiple tiers.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!
And yesterday we were laughing about a blue and purple traffic light system.1 -
An estimate I saw for London was about 25%. Pulled out of my arse, of course.JohnLilburne said:
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
They should have had the threat levels sponsored by Nando's: Medium, Hot, Extra Hot.LadyG said:
This is the one bit of the government strategy I understand.Stuartinromford said:
The threat levels are like the children in Lake Wobegone; all above average.ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.
How would people react if told their region was "LOW" risk?! Whoah! Go out and party!
Nowhere is Britain is low risk, right now, and HMG is correct to reject the label0 -
Thanks for agreeing with me finally that it's not as simple as you thought.RobD said:
For the first two levels things are straight forward. It gets a little more complicated in the higher tier, because you have to look at what additional restrictions are in place at a local level. Quite why that is confusing is beyond me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
People constantly attacked me all day for saying it was complicated and stupid and it won't help. Looks I was absolutely right, I expected no clarity from the worst Government we've had.Mexicanpete said:
So we have a three tier system with no lower tier and a highest risk tier which has multiple tiers.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!
And yesterday we were laughing about a blue and purple traffic light system.0 -
I want lemon & herb.Philip_Thompson said:
They should have had the threat levels sponsored by Nando's: Medium, Hot, Extra Hot.LadyG said:
This is the one bit of the government strategy I understand.Stuartinromford said:
The threat levels are like the children in Lake Wobegone; all above average.ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.
How would people react if told their region was "LOW" risk?! Whoah! Go out and party!
Nowhere is Britain is low risk, right now, and HMG is correct to reject the label2 -
Please provide some links.MaxPB said:
I've heard 20% is the figure city wide, but some areas are as high as 40% and others as low as 10%.JohnLilburne said:
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
What is confusing is that what needs to be done, what the government thinks needs to be done, what the government says needs to be done, what the government intends to do and what the government likely ends up doing are all different.RobD said:
For the first two levels things are straight forward. It gets a little more complicated in the higher tier, because you have to look at what additional restrictions are in place at a local level. Quite why that is confusing is beyond me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
People constantly attacked me all day for saying it was complicated and stupid and it won't help. Looks I was absolutely right, I expected no clarity from the worst Government we've had.Mexicanpete said:
So we have a three tier system with no lower tier and a highest risk tier which has multiple tiers.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!
And yesterday we were laughing about a blue and purple traffic light system.1 -
I don't agree that they are confusing and hard to understand. Just because you have to actually read something doesn't make it confusing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Thanks for agreeing with me finally that it's not as easy as you thought.RobD said:
For the first two levels things are straight forward. It gets a little more complicated in the higher tier, because you have to look at what additional restrictions are in place at a local level. Quite why that is confusing is beyond me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
People constantly attacked me all day for saying it was complicated and stupid and it won't help. Looks I was absolutely right, I expected no clarity from the worst Government we've had.Mexicanpete said:
So we have a three tier system with no lower tier and a highest risk tier which has multiple tiers.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!
And yesterday we were laughing about a blue and purple traffic light system.1 -
Please provide some links. Khan presumably has the data and does not agree.MaxPB said:
Actually there is, London is already proof that there is some level of herd immunity. We just had tens of thousands of students from all over the country come to London and yet no major outbreaks, some smaller ones but nothing like what we're seeing in the North.CorrectHorseBattery said:There is no evidence we’re close to achieving herd immunity.
Regardless, Starmer is playing a game and I can’t see the payoff currently.
The virus is running into too many potential hosts which are immune, especially among those who are likely to be out in the community.
Unfortunately he can't just lockdown London since he doesn't have the powers but asking for decisive action to be taken by HMG is the right approach now.0 -
This is one of those occasions where the politics of being London Mayor come into play.Omnium said:
I rather disagree. He's trying to be seen to want others to take action now which will be expensive, but certainly won't be above what might be needed. He's basically making a totally safe play in midfield and trying to make it look decisive.
When the shit was hitting the fan in March he was nowhere, and I'll bet rather heavily he'll be nowhere should difficult decisions need to be taken in the months ahead. It may well be this is simple and sensible politics from him, but I think he's actually just not up to the big decisions. Either way he's winning no prizes.
The position is a curiousity - superficially, it's very powerful and is extremely high profile but at the same time it is as powerful or lacking in power as the incumbent wants at any given time.
All the holders of the job have understood they can argue for something and when it doesn't happen they can turn round and use the incumbent Government as a whipping boy.
The tension between the local centralisation of power within the Mayor's office and the national centralisation of power within 10 Downing Street is clearly evident.
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It's not just me who is saying it's confusing and difficult to understand now - but that's ok we can continue to agree to disagree. Let's wait for some polling, if I am wrong I'll be happy to say so as I always do.RobD said:
I don't agree that they are confusing and hard to understand. Just because you have to actually read something doesn't make it confusing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Thanks for agreeing with me finally that it's not as easy as you thought.RobD said:
For the first two levels things are straight forward. It gets a little more complicated in the higher tier, because you have to look at what additional restrictions are in place at a local level. Quite why that is confusing is beyond me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
People constantly attacked me all day for saying it was complicated and stupid and it won't help. Looks I was absolutely right, I expected no clarity from the worst Government we've had.Mexicanpete said:
So we have a three tier system with no lower tier and a highest risk tier which has multiple tiers.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!
And yesterday we were laughing about a blue and purple traffic light system.0 -
Mr Silver's has raised the issue of what's been troubling me for weeks.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1315733803818778631
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1315735596103589889
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/13157355970179522560 -
This comes from paid for research for the bank's own reporting. Take it how you want. 🤷♂️CorrectHorseBattery said:
Please provide some links.MaxPB said:
I've heard 20% is the figure city wide, but some areas are as high as 40% and others as low as 10%.JohnLilburne said:
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
You're not doing it right if you go for lemon & herb.Gallowgate said:
I want lemon & herb.Philip_Thompson said:
They should have had the threat levels sponsored by Nando's: Medium, Hot, Extra Hot.LadyG said:
This is the one bit of the government strategy I understand.Stuartinromford said:
The threat levels are like the children in Lake Wobegone; all above average.ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.
How would people react if told their region was "LOW" risk?! Whoah! Go out and party!
Nowhere is Britain is low risk, right now, and HMG is correct to reject the label0 -
Yeah seems an odd thing to get annoyed about. Thanks Boris isn't at all professional, he is Mr Johnson or Johnson in our context, he is not referred to by his first name.Philip_Thompson said:
What's wrong with "Thanks PM"?stjohn said:I was shocked and stressed by the 7 pm government presentation. These are difficult times and it’s inevitable that the government’s announcements add to our worries.
But Rishi Sunak has tipped me into another level of stress with his, “Thanks PM”, schtick. Since when was this an appropriate way to address the highest elected person in our democracy?
Sunak has become “Will” from “The Inbetweeners” when he addresses the headmaster with, “”Thanks Phil”.
I now need to go and lie down now. Breathe slowly, calmly, deeply. It will be alright.
Would you prefer if he said "Thanks Boris"?0 -
It depends where you are in The North and what you do as to whether Tier 2 is a tightening or a slackening. For Bradford, Leeds, etc it seems that we can now meet in gardens (slackening) but can no longer meet in pubs or eateries (tightening). In the North East the pub restrictions are already in place so they only see the slackening.IanB2 said:
The government clearly feels it doesnt have the capital to push restrictions any further without buyin from the local authorities themselves. If you listen to the PM opening the Commons debate earlier, he as good as says as much.Scott_xP said:
The Tier 2 is actually a marginal relaxation for those areas already under local restrictions, and my guess is that the intention was to move the whole of the North into Tier 3 until Burnham started gathering the locals in opposition. Liverpool seems to have been caught out when the government dropped the rest of the North and is now trying to row back on whatever it said to government in private.
The irony is that, had local authorities been allowed to lead in the first place, many of them might well have followed public opinion in moving faster toward local restrictions. But since the government has kept everything under very centralised control, they clearly don't feel minded to give a discredited government political cover by rubber stamping something being imposed on them.
Let's see how long until we are promoted to Tier 3.0 -
Well, I think everyone on PB has an above average number of legs...DecrepiterJohnL said:
Like the schools under Gove and Cummings, all above average. Are they the common, and innumerate, factor?Stuartinromford said:
The threat levels are like the children in Lake Wobegone; all above average.ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.
It is quite easy for nearly everybody to be above average if a variable is is asymmetrically distributed.1 -
It's disappointing you can't provide any links though, it would be interesting to read.MaxPB said:
This comes from paid for research for the bank's own reporting. Take it how you want. 🤷♂️CorrectHorseBattery said:
Please provide some links.MaxPB said:
I've heard 20% is the figure city wide, but some areas are as high as 40% and others as low as 10%.JohnLilburne said:
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)0 -
Is there a book on Sunak's resignation date yet?0
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Yes but I want my lockdown lemon & herb flavour.Philip_Thompson said:
You're not doing it right if you go for lemon & herb.Gallowgate said:
I want lemon & herb.Philip_Thompson said:
They should have had the threat levels sponsored by Nando's: Medium, Hot, Extra Hot.LadyG said:
This is the one bit of the government strategy I understand.Stuartinromford said:
The threat levels are like the children in Lake Wobegone; all above average.ydoethur said:
Yes. Staffordshire is still Tier 3.Andy_JS said:
I hope that just includes the West Midlands urban area and not the wider West Midlands region.HYUFD said:Looks like the North and West Midlands will be the focus for the top tier
Edit - that is, ‘Medium’ although how you have ‘medium’ without ‘low’ is beyond me.
How would people react if told their region was "LOW" risk?! Whoah! Go out and party!
Nowhere is Britain is low risk, right now, and HMG is correct to reject the label0 -
At some point there will be an argument about spending, there has to be.rottenborough said:Is there a book on Sunak's resignation date yet?
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I'll ignore it, then.IanB2 said:
An estimate I saw for London was about 25%. Pulled out of my arse, of course.JohnLilburne said:
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)1 -
Nights are drawing in, depressing how dark it is this time of the year.0
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It’s too cold to meet people outside though. I had a coffee with a friend outside a few days ago, and even with a big coat, sitting in the wind is just unbearable for too long.SandyRentool said:
It depends where you are in The North and what you do as to whether Tier 2 is a tightening or a slackening. For Bradford, Leeds, etc it seems that we can now meet in gardens (slackening) but can no longer meet in pubs or eateries (tightening). In the North East the pub restrictions are already in place so they only see the slackening.IanB2 said:
The government clearly feels it doesnt have the capital to push restrictions any further without buyin from the local authorities themselves. If you listen to the PM opening the Commons debate earlier, he as good as says as much.Scott_xP said:
The Tier 2 is actually a marginal relaxation for those areas already under local restrictions, and my guess is that the intention was to move the whole of the North into Tier 3 until Burnham started gathering the locals in opposition. Liverpool seems to have been caught out when the government dropped the rest of the North and is now trying to row back on whatever it said to government in private.
The irony is that, had local authorities been allowed to lead in the first place, many of them might well have followed public opinion in moving faster toward local restrictions. But since the government has kept everything under very centralised control, they clearly don't feel minded to give a discredited government political cover by rubber stamping something being imposed on them.
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Misconception there regarding China. At the start of the year, China locked down HARD everywhere, even cities on the coast thousands of miles from Hubei. Paid off for them of course, now with the addition of strict (and enforced) quarantine rules they're pretty much Covid free.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Horse is obsessed with lockdownJohnLilburne said:
Why national? Everything seems fairly benign here in Hampshire, cases creeping up but nothing to panic about. In many ways it is better to have local lockdowns, the full forces of the State can be brought to bear on, for example, Liverpool. Which is what the Chinese did in Hubei and J think why the Italians are in a relatively good position despite the horror in LombardyCorrectHorseBattery said:So these measures are not going to work as I said earlier. Looks like my suggestion that a national lockdown is coming and the experts know it, was not too far off the mark
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He has been calling for a London lockdown for weeks. I’m not sure for what purpose though. He was calling for it when needed numbers were very low. He’s calling for it now when they’re a bit higher. Hospitalisation haven’t moved much. We’re not approaching NHS overload and we’re not activating the Nightingale. But I don’t see what the endgame is? So we lockdown. For what? To get cases down a bit? And then what? “Lockdown” has to have a purpose, when it costs so much.CorrectHorseBattery said:Of course Khan can’t take the actions himself directly but he’s doing the next best thing, asking for the Government to help. That is actually doing something.
He wants a London lockdown and however much it pains me to say it, he’s right.
Apologies - did you answer my question on shutting schools earlier?0 -
And the clocks have yet to go back. Just to cheer you upCorrectHorseBattery said:Nights are drawing in, depressing how dark it is this time of the year.
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Why it might be confusing? We have not yet seen the legislation which adds to this list so far:RobD said:
For the first two levels things are straight forward. It gets a little more complicated in the higher tier, because you have to look at what additional restrictions are in place at a local level. Quite why that is confusing is beyond me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
People constantly attacked me all day for saying it was complicated and stupid and it won't help. Looks I was absolutely right, I expected no clarity from the worst Government we've had.Mexicanpete said:
So we have a three tier system with no lower tier and a highest risk tier which has multiple tiers.Scott_xP said:We are going to announce a 3 tier system
How many tiers will it have?
More than 3...
Dan Hodges was right. Never mind superforecasters, or forecasters, what the Government need really badly right now is people who can tell the time, and COUNT TO THREE !!!
And yesterday we were laughing about a blue and purple traffic light system.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ne4zhPYAZK8G867D1Iz0Gg2ZJFLGmF2K/view
Perhaps you could try a simple unconfused explication of Section 5 of the latest version of the HP(CR)(No 2)Regs 2020.
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Khan is rubbish and he wants to look like he's doing something. He also probably doesn't understand the science in the same way Boris doesn't, he's a useless politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Please provide some links. Khan presumably has the data and does not agree.MaxPB said:
Actually there is, London is already proof that there is some level of herd immunity. We just had tens of thousands of students from all over the country come to London and yet no major outbreaks, some smaller ones but nothing like what we're seeing in the North.CorrectHorseBattery said:There is no evidence we’re close to achieving herd immunity.
Regardless, Starmer is playing a game and I can’t see the payoff currently.
The virus is running into too many potential hosts which are immune, especially among those who are likely to be out in the community.
Unfortunately he can't just lockdown London since he doesn't have the powers but asking for decisive action to be taken by HMG is the right approach now.
The publicly available data had antibody presence at 17% in London for the middle of August fwiw. The reports I've seen use the Imperial university data which is a smaller scale study for antibodies but as I said just now, it looked like 20% city wide with a band of 10-40% depending on the borough. It's not a huge surprise in a city where the main mode of transportation is squeezing as many people as possible into a tiny tin can.0 -
He wants to look like he is doing something. It's the same idiotic method of policy making that led to the pointless 10pm closing time.alex_ said:
He has been calling for a London lockdown for weeks. I’m not sure for what purpose though. He was calling for it when needed numbers were very low. He’s calling for it now when they’re a bit higher. Hospitalisation haven’t moved much. We’re not approaching NHS overload and we’re not activating the Nightingale. But I don’t see what the endgame is? So we lockdown. For what? To get cases down a bit? And then what? “Lockdown” has to have a purpose, when it costs so much.CorrectHorseBattery said:Of course Khan can’t take the actions himself directly but he’s doing the next best thing, asking for the Government to help. That is actually doing something.
He wants a London lockdown and however much it pains me to say it, he’s right.
Apologies - did you answer my question on shutting schools earlier?0 -
It's going to be in the right ballpark, given this (although 'up to' is a bit of a cop out):JohnLilburne said:
I'll ignore it, then.IanB2 said:
An estimate I saw for London was about 25%. Pulled out of my arse, of course.JohnLilburne said:
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)
Public Health England’s surveillance studies estimated that up to 17.5 percent of Londoners had caught the virus by late June.
In contrast, separate estimates suggest that only between 5 percent and 7 percent of the UK population overall has been infected.
In some parts of the UK it is as low as 3 percent - suggesting that as a nation we are far off reaching heard immunity levels, which must sit between 60 percent and 80 percent.0 -
But new iPhones announced tomorrow, the world is looking awesome right now.LadyG said:
And the clocks have yet to go back. Just to cheer you upCorrectHorseBattery said:Nights are drawing in, depressing how dark it is this time of the year.
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But you can't call it for Trump either.TheScreamingEagles said:Mr Silver's has raised the issue of what's been troubling me for weeks.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1315735596103589889
As long as Trump can't claim victory on the night, waiting for the ballots is fine...0 -
That's the point, isn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Remind me, is Health devolved to the Mayor of London?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Remind me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Khan is doing what the Government has failed to do and taking decisive action early. That's the right approach, I just wish Johnson had the balls to do the same, in one direction or the other.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)
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Which Grimes? I prefer the mathematician myself.TimT said:
He is oddly compellingBeibheirli_C said:
Oh.. I was all excited there for a moment. I thought it was this guy...Andy_JS said:Darren Grimes is live on the Triggernometry Youtube channel if anyone's interested.
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I know you hate Khan - but I think he's a solid 5/10. Not great, not terrible, solidly rubbish. Leagues above Johnson though.MaxPB said:
Khan is rubbish and he wants to look like he's doing something. He also probably doesn't understand the science in the same way Boris doesn't, he's a useless politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Please provide some links. Khan presumably has the data and does not agree.MaxPB said:
Actually there is, London is already proof that there is some level of herd immunity. We just had tens of thousands of students from all over the country come to London and yet no major outbreaks, some smaller ones but nothing like what we're seeing in the North.CorrectHorseBattery said:There is no evidence we’re close to achieving herd immunity.
Regardless, Starmer is playing a game and I can’t see the payoff currently.
The virus is running into too many potential hosts which are immune, especially among those who are likely to be out in the community.
Unfortunately he can't just lockdown London since he doesn't have the powers but asking for decisive action to be taken by HMG is the right approach now.
The publicly available data had antibody presence at 17% in London for the middle of August fwiw. The reports I've seen use the Imperial university data which is a smaller scale study for antibodies but as I said just now, it looked like 20% city wide with a band of 10-40% depending on the borough. It's not a huge surprise in a city where the main mode of transportation is squeezing as many people as possible into a tiny tin can.
I simply don't buy this idea London is anywhere close to herd immunity I am afraid, higher than the rest of the country, yes. But nowhere close to the levels needed.
To achieve herd immunity that means thousands of more cases and deaths. Khan is not prepared to allow that to happen and I don't want to see that either.0 -
My AAPL stock is hitting the moon todayTheScreamingEagles said:
But new iPhones announced tomorrow, the world is looking awesome right now.LadyG said:
And the clocks have yet to go back. Just to cheer you upCorrectHorseBattery said:Nights are drawing in, depressing how dark it is this time of the year.
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Yep.stodge said:
This is one of those occasions where the politics of being London Mayor come into play.Omnium said:
I rather disagree. He's trying to be seen to want others to take action now which will be expensive, but certainly won't be above what might be needed. He's basically making a totally safe play in midfield and trying to make it look decisive.
When the shit was hitting the fan in March he was nowhere, and I'll bet rather heavily he'll be nowhere should difficult decisions need to be taken in the months ahead. It may well be this is simple and sensible politics from him, but I think he's actually just not up to the big decisions. Either way he's winning no prizes.
The position is a curiousity - superficially, it's very powerful and is extremely high profile but at the same time it is as powerful or lacking in power as the incumbent wants at any given time.
All the holders of the job have understood they can argue for something and when it doesn't happen they can turn round and use the incumbent Government as a whipping boy.
The tension between the local centralisation of power within the Mayor's office and the national centralisation of power within 10 Downing Street is clearly evident.
Anyway Khan nor anyone else is leading by shining example. Everyone is trying though.0 -
Less than 15% IMO, a long way off herd immunity. Imperial calculated London at 13% in August.IanB2 said:
An estimate I saw for London was about 25%. Pulled out of my arse, of course.JohnLilburne said:
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)
https://www.imperial.nhs.uk/about-us/news/largest-home-antibody-testing-publishes-results
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Tbf, the report doesn't provide the source data either just a paragraph on immunity levels and that the data is provided from a serology study conducted by a major London university (Imperial because I know they are doing one, my sister took part as an employee).CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's disappointing you can't provide any links though, it would be interesting to read.MaxPB said:
This comes from paid for research for the bank's own reporting. Take it how you want. 🤷♂️CorrectHorseBattery said:
Please provide some links.MaxPB said:
I've heard 20% is the figure city wide, but some areas are as high as 40% and others as low as 10%.JohnLilburne said:
It's interesting if London has reached effective herd immunity. Do you know what the current sero-positive rates are?MaxPB said:
The virus is hitting too many immune host bodies in London. Sadiq doesn't understand the science behind it.alex_ said:
Well the briefing from Sadiq is that it’s coming in the next couple of days. He’s really gung ho and at some point the Govt will give in to his special pleading.Anabobazina said:
Great, so as you were in London then. Rumours nonsense?Andy_JS said:"What tier is your area in?
Local authorities in the Liverpool City Region will be put under the highest alert level, tier three. The affected boroughs are Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton and Halton.
The areas in tier two are Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Warrington, Derbyshire, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, North East, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Leicester and Nottingham.
The rest of England has been placed under the medium alert level - tier one."
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/three-tier-lockdown-map-system-which-tier-local-area-b990602.html
I assume "West Midlands" means Birmingham, Solihull, Walsall, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell, and doesn't also include Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
There’s still nothing massively remarkable about the London figures in general, be it cases, hospitalisation or deaths. Boroughs seem to basically changing places as “hotspots” every couple of weeks (perhaps with a general drift upwards - but that could be testing numbers related). Leaving aside the “university + GP home address issue)1 -
I'll definitely be getting the new iPhone, I upgrade every year, my guilty pleasure tech upgrade.
Had the same MacBook Pro for 7 years.0 -
My question from the last thread... Is it to protect the NHS, save lives, again? Until Spring? Boris was distinctly non-committal regarding the possibility of a vaccine in the commons earlier, so presumably we're not hanging all our hopes on that anymore.alex_ said:
He has been calling for a London lockdown for weeks. I’m not sure for what purpose though. He was calling for it when needed numbers were very low. He’s calling for it now when they’re a bit higher. Hospitalisation haven’t moved much. We’re not approaching NHS overload and we’re not activating the Nightingale. But I don’t see what the endgame is? So we lockdown. For what? To get cases down a bit? And then what? “Lockdown” has to have a purpose, when it costs so much.CorrectHorseBattery said:Of course Khan can’t take the actions himself directly but he’s doing the next best thing, asking for the Government to help. That is actually doing something.
He wants a London lockdown and however much it pains me to say it, he’s right.
Apologies - did you answer my question on shutting schools earlier?0 -
There was a piece I posted a link to the other day about the most important man in America on election night: Fox News voting data analyst.TheScreamingEagles said:Mr Silver's has raised the issue of what's been troubling me for weeks.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1315733803818778631
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1315735596103589889
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1315735597017952256
If I can find it again I will be repost. From memory it was reassuring, he has no intention of calling anything too soon and he wont be lent on by Fox's owners and so on.0 -
Khan is the worst major politician in Britain. Just completely useless, lifeless, clueless. He is presiding over a world city in collapse. He should be out there, visible, energetic, combative, optimistic, the stuff Boris used to do so well as mayor (whatever you thought of his politics)MaxPB said:
He wants to look like he is doing something. It's the same idiotic method of policy making that led to the pointless 10pm closing time.alex_ said:
He has been calling for a London lockdown for weeks. I’m not sure for what purpose though. He was calling for it when needed numbers were very low. He’s calling for it now when they’re a bit higher. Hospitalisation haven’t moved much. We’re not approaching NHS overload and we’re not activating the Nightingale. But I don’t see what the endgame is? So we lockdown. For what? To get cases down a bit? And then what? “Lockdown” has to have a purpose, when it costs so much.CorrectHorseBattery said:Of course Khan can’t take the actions himself directly but he’s doing the next best thing, asking for the Government to help. That is actually doing something.
He wants a London lockdown and however much it pains me to say it, he’s right.
Apologies - did you answer my question on shutting schools earlier?
That is the job of London mayor. You don't have much else to do, apart from run the trains, but you ARE a figurehead and you provide leadership, and brio, and you cheer people up.
Burnham does it well for Manchester. He fights for his city. He is high profile.
Khan is just invisible, and whenever you do see him, he is this pathetic, whiny little puppet of a man.
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National lockdown on the way, I am afraid it's the only option left.Scott_xP said:0 -
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ROFL you were saying Priti Patel was typical London yesterday Sean.LadyG said:
Khan is the worst major politician in Britain. Just completely useless, lifeless, clueless. He is presiding over a world city in collapse. He should be out there, visible, energetic, combative, optimistic, the stuff Boris used to do so well as mayor (whatever you thought of his politics)MaxPB said:
He wants to look like he is doing something. It's the same idiotic method of policy making that led to the pointless 10pm closing time.alex_ said:
He has been calling for a London lockdown for weeks. I’m not sure for what purpose though. He was calling for it when needed numbers were very low. He’s calling for it now when they’re a bit higher. Hospitalisation haven’t moved much. We’re not approaching NHS overload and we’re not activating the Nightingale. But I don’t see what the endgame is? So we lockdown. For what? To get cases down a bit? And then what? “Lockdown” has to have a purpose, when it costs so much.CorrectHorseBattery said:Of course Khan can’t take the actions himself directly but he’s doing the next best thing, asking for the Government to help. That is actually doing something.
He wants a London lockdown and however much it pains me to say it, he’s right.
Apologies - did you answer my question on shutting schools earlier?
That is the job of London mayor. You don't have much else to do, apart from run the trains, but you ARE a figurehead and you provide leadership, and brio, and you cheer people up.
Burnham does it well for Manchester. He fights for his city. He is high profile.
Khan is just invisible, and whenever you do see him, he is this pathetic, whiny little puppet of a man.0
