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  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    First
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    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft 24s
    Pls retweet that at 4pm on Monday not only will the Ashcroft National Poll be released but also a poll on the Newark by-election.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Lord A is the new Pb deity



  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Costa living drops as issue?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited May 2014
    I remember that the last labour government in the UK set NHS targets for waiting lists etc, and pretty soon there were all sorts of non-waiting lists to make sure targets were met, although waiting times were still bad.

    The Obama administration did the same thing for the Veterans Administration hospitals, with the same result. The VA Secretary resigned today.

    Bureaucracies everywhere seem to be similar.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,119
    edited May 2014
    FPT

    @SimonStClare

    It's all over for UKIP if they dont win this? ; )

    On this site I feel like Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke with OGH as the boss

    I think its all over already!

    Or Winston Smith in 1984

    UKIP win=bad for them

    2+2=5

    It was Nigel , It was Nigel!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    isam said:
    Eh?

    Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 1m
    It's a long time since I've seen Tories so keen to win a by-election. Amazingly, Ukip don't seem that bothered; Lab + Lib Dems even more so
    ----------------------------------------
    He's probably not been near the UKIP HQ fearing he might be hit over the head again; this time with a hammer.

    Incidentally I've learned that Nigel Farage will be in Newark tomorrow, followed by Diane James on Sunday and Patrick O'Flynn on Monday.
    -------
    I always seem to get caught by these sudden changes in the thread without a warning. :(
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Fantastic news about another poll in Newark. Well done Lord Ashcroft.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Cow slurry fetishist jailed.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-27643702

  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited May 2014
    OT It's at times like this I am glad I don't live in Scotland. According to the BBC, the Police Service of Scotland executed 640,699 stop and searches in the last year. That is 2.9 times as many per annum as the Metropolitan Police, and the Metropolitan Police District of course contains more people than Scotland. This is astonishingly authoritarian. It would imply that approximately 12% of the Scottish population are stopped and searched each year. That the Nationalist administration are not only unconcerned about these figures, but seem to think they represent good policing, demonstrates that any claim that the SNP are in favour of civil liberties is absurd.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    OT It's at times like this I am glad I don't live in Scotland. According to the BBC, the Police Service of Scotland executed 640,699 stop and searches in the last year. That is 2.9 times as many per annum as the Metropolitan Police, and the Metropolitan Police District of course contains more people than Scotland. This is astonishingly authoritarian. It would imply that approximately 12% of the Scottish population are stopped and searched each year. That the Nationalist administration are not only unconcerned about these figures, but seem to think they represent good policing, demonstrates that any claim that the SNP are in favour of civil liberties is absurd.

    I remember reading about this a couple of years ago:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17770342

    Also this:

    http://www.irvinetimes.com/news/roundup/articles/2013/08/09/467510-irvine-drivers-complaints-of-overzealous-policing/
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    dr_spyn said:

    Cow slurry fetishist jailed.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-27643702

    Hmm, that is an interesting proclivity to say the least!!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    MikeK said:

    isam said:
    Eh?

    Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 1m
    It's a long time since I've seen Tories so keen to win a by-election. Amazingly, Ukip don't seem that bothered; Lab + Lib Dems even more so
    ----------------------------------------
    He's probably not been near the UKIP HQ fearing he might be hit over the head again; this time with a hammer.

    Incidentally I've learned that Nigel Farage will be in Newark tomorrow, followed by Diane James on Sunday and Patrick O'Flynn on Monday.
    -------
    I always seem to get caught by these sudden changes in the thread without a warning. :(

    If the Tories lose the by-election one reason might be because they annoyed voters with too many cabinet ministers and MPs visiting the seat.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    Turnout in Newark & Sherwood for the Euro elections was 36.08%. Newark would usually have the higher turnout but it probably wouldn't have been more than 45%. Not sure whether the by-election would generate a higher turnout than the Euros:

    http://www.newark-sherwooddc.gov.uk/vote/europeanparliamentaryelection2014/
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,999
    Do they still do the Facing you and your family one?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,769
    AndyJS said:

    Fantastic news about another poll in Newark. Well done Lord Ashcroft.

    I think they'll be at least one Newark poll in the Sunday papers.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,767
    These Newark polls are very bad news for Con.

    The only thing they can do is lead to tactical voting - which will harm Con. Con is very lucky that the Survation poll had UKIP and Lab almost tied - but the chances are that won't happen in the next polls.

    If we get something like Con 36, UKIP 30, Lab 24 then Con could be in real trouble.

    However the saving grace could be that we are now late enough that almost all postals will have been cast (or will have been by Sunday) so if Con has a lead of at least say 6% in the postals then it's going to be tough for UKIP to win by enough of a margin on the day to win overall.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,069
    Buying dual purpose tile adhesive/grout was a smart move.

    WINNING HERE (Just about) in my bathroom.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,537
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    OT It's at times like this I am glad I don't live in Scotland. According to the BBC, the Police Service of Scotland executed 640,699 stop and searches in the last year. That is 2.9 times as many per annum as the Metropolitan Police, and the Metropolitan Police District of course contains more people than Scotland. This is astonishingly authoritarian. It would imply that approximately 12% of the Scottish population are stopped and searched each year. That the Nationalist administration are not only unconcerned about these figures, but seem to think they represent good policing, demonstrates that any claim that the SNP are in favour of civil liberties is absurd.

    I was surprised when Scotland moved to having a single national police force - an idea that the English have always found contrary to civil liberties.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,069
    AndyJS said:

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    If the Tories lose the by-election one reason might be because they annoyed voters with too many cabinet ministers and MPs visiting the seat.
    I think so, were there locals in Newark - guessing not. Here there were no locals and you'd barely know an election was on. Visibility alot higher for a by-election.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,069
    ToryJim said:

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    Hmm, that is an interesting proclivity to say the least!!
    What a wrong'un !
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,921
    On topic am I bovvered? Apparently not.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    MikeL said:

    These Newark polls are very bad news for Con.

    The only thing they can do is lead to tactical voting - which will harm Con. Con is very lucky that the Survation poll had UKIP and Lab almost tied - but the chances are that won't happen in the next polls.

    If we get something like Con 36, UKIP 30, Lab 24 then Con could be in real trouble.

    However the saving grace could be that we are now late enough that almost all postals will have been cast (or will have been by Sunday) so if Con has a lead of at least say 6% in the postals then it's going to be tough for UKIP to win by enough of a margin on the day to win overall.

    It rather depends what the polls say, if the next poll has a bigger Con lead for instance it might change things etc
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    OT It's at times like this I am glad I don't live in Scotland. According to the BBC, the Police Service of Scotland executed 640,699 stop and searches in the last year. That is 2.9 times as many per annum as the Metropolitan Police, and the Metropolitan Police District of course contains more people than Scotland. This is astonishingly authoritarian. It would imply that approximately 12% of the Scottish population are stopped and searched each year. That the Nationalist administration are not only unconcerned about these figures, but seem to think they represent good policing, demonstrates that any claim that the SNP are in favour of civil liberties is absurd.


    Yeah terrible. Just out of interest, what the crime rate like in Scotland, particulalry where the majority f those stops have taken place and particularly with regard to street crime? What percentage of those stops resulted in an arrest? Unless you give those figures to go along with the number of stop and searches you aren't telling us anything worthwhile.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,921
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    OT It's at times like this I am glad I don't live in Scotland. According to the BBC, the Police Service of Scotland executed 640,699 stop and searches in the last year. That is 2.9 times as many per annum as the Metropolitan Police, and the Metropolitan Police District of course contains more people than Scotland. This is astonishingly authoritarian. It would imply that approximately 12% of the Scottish population are stopped and searched each year. That the Nationalist administration are not only unconcerned about these figures, but seem to think they represent good policing, demonstrates that any claim that the SNP are in favour of civil liberties is absurd.

    This may astonish you but neither I nor any member of my family has ever been the subject of a stop and search . There must be some elements of the population for whom it is an almost weekly occurrence.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited May 2014
    Big moves to UKIP on Betfair

    3.5 in from 4.5

    and back out again... (^_-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,069
    RodCrosby said:

    Big moves to UKIP on Betfair

    3.5 in from 4.5

    and back out again... (^_-)

    The lay market was 105% for a second there.

    Its actually not too bad at all to trade for a few pennies on.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    A Newark by-election poll with figures something like Con 35%, UKIP 30%, Lab 25% could be fatal for the Tories. They must wish these polls weren't being published.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,921
    JohnLilburne said:

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    I was surprised when Scotland moved to having a single national police force - an idea that the English have always found contrary to civil liberties.

    You have to remember that we are only a small and potentially completely insignificant country of only 5.3 m . There are probably a number of larger police authorities in England.

    One advantage of the Scottish police service has been that squads of unknown cops have come across from Strathclyde and managed to execute astonishing numbers of outstanding warrants
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,069
    AndyJS said:

    A Newark by-election poll with figures something like Con 35%, UKIP 30%, Lab 25% could be fatal for the Tories. They must wish these polls weren't being published.

    How's your book on it looking ?

  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    DavidL said:

    This may astonish you but neither I nor any member of my family has ever been the subject of a stop and search . There must be some elements of the population for whom it is an almost weekly occurrence.

    The geographical disparity is enormous. For instance, 'there were 3,027 searches per 10,000 people in Glasgow City compared with 297 searches per 10,000 people in Aberdeen.'
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Can we be sure.. There are dark forces in operation.. LOL ;)


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2643792/Hello-Alison-Dave-Jean-Labour-council-deputy-leader-suspended-party-texting-BBC-Radio-Stoke-PRETENDING-array-happy-residents-praising-authority.html
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

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    How's your book on it looking ?

    Book? What do you mean?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Lots of interesting Euro election maps on this Twitter page:

    https://twitter.com/election_data
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

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    How's your book on it looking ?

    The one that was published was just like that. 36 - 27 -27 if I recall.

    Labour has the same chance of winning as a pig learning how to fly !
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    DavidL said:

    One advantage of the Scottish police service has been that squads of unknown cops have come across from Strathclyde and managed to execute astonishing numbers of outstanding warrants

    On the day after the London Riots in 2011 had ended, I walked past the Met's Central Communications Command Centre on Lambeth Road at about 2 am. From Lambeth Bridge to just before the Imperial War Museum, there was a line of police vans, with officers from divers forces sitting with their riot gear, waiting to see if they would be called out. I got the feeling that you really wouldn't want to pick a fight with the Strathclyde lot...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,921
    Life_ina_market_town said:

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    The geographical disparity is enormous. For instance, 'there were 3,027 searches per 10,000 people in Glasgow City compared with 297 searches per 10,000 people in Aberdeen.'
    There are reasons that Glasgow is used as a backdrop for so many dramas set in Eastern Europe before the wall came down. Bits of it are a war zone.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    SeanT said:

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    I hope the FN win the next elections in France. As Junkergate shows, the eurokraut class in Brussels has no intention of paying any heed to voters' wishes, instead they are pressing on, foot to the floor, with the Federalist project. They want the European parliament to be a real parliament, even if its democratic mandate is near zero, they want to have an elected president, even though no one elects him. The europlebs can just like it or lump it.

    I now see no way of stopping this juggernaut of insanity but a very hard leftwing or rightwing government in one of the major EU nations which doesn't give a toss, and which is prepared to stand up and pull the plug on the whole disgusting charade. So if it must be the FN, then let it be the FN.
    I really don't want the FN to win. I think it would be a deeply dangerous way to make a point. Somehow the federasts have got to be made to confront cold hard reality without such a nuclear option.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited May 2014
    Italian press reacts with outrage to news that Beppe Grillo had lunch yesterday with Nigel Farage:

    Misoginia, xenofobia e omofobia: ecco l’Ukip di Nigel Farage

    Full article here: http://bit.ly/1oSCd0Q

    I don't speak Italian. Can an helpful PBer translate?

    The title of the blog article and its last line should be sufficient to give a gist of what is being said.

    Here is the last line:

    Occhio, Beppe, che il detto «dimmi con chi vai e ti dirò chi sei» è sempre valido.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,260
    AveryLP said:

    Italian press reacts with outrage to news that Beppe Grillo had lunch yesterday with Nigel Farage:

    Misoginia, xenofobia e omofobia: ecco l’Ukip di Nigel Farage

    Full article here: http://bit.ly/1oSCd0Q

    I don't speak Italian. Can an helpful PBer translate?

    Convenient however that the title is pretty easy to understand even with no knowledge of Italian.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,260
    edited May 2014
    ToryJim said:

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    I really don't want the FN to win. I think it would be a deeply dangerous way to make a point. Somehow the federasts have got to be made to confront cold hard reality without such a nuclear option.
    I cannot think of a way for that to happen. When pressed they display absolute contempt for anything but fanatical support for more European integration and control. I for one would like Cameron's negotiations to succeed, I think ultimately leaving the EU will be a mistake, but if that is how they react to lukewarm support for the EU, they won't change unless forced by, well, a political earthquake.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    edited May 2014
    Life_ina_market_town said:

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    The geographical disparity is enormous. For instance, 'there were 3,027 searches per 10,000 people in Glasgow City compared with 297 searches per 10,000 people in Aberdeen.'
    I am tempted to mention how stop and search is a part of life in certain parts of London but that might tempt certain posters to opine about how those people are criminals and deserve it anyway rather than being targets of our friends the police.

    Newark? Who cares, it's mid-term.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    AveryLP said:

    Italian press reacts with outrage to news that Beppe Grillo had lunch yesterday with Nigel Farage:

    Misoginia, xenofobia e omofobia: ecco l’Ukip di Nigel Farage

    Full article here: http://bit.ly/1oSCd0Q

    I don't speak Italian. Can an helpful PBer translate?

    The title of the blog article and its last line should be sufficient to give a gist of what is being said.

    Here is the last line:

    Occhio, Beppe, che il detto «dimmi con chi vai e ti dirò chi sei» è sempre valido.

    Whack it into Bing website translator, it usually does a pretty decent job
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,921
    kle4 said:

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    Convenient however that the title is pretty easy to understand even with no knowledge of Italian.
    Especially to anyone who studied Ecce Romani at school. When it was a lot more recent I found my Latin meant I could get at least the gist of newspaper stories but it did nothing to help me with the spoken language.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,260
    ToryJim said:

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    Whack it into Bing website translator, it usually does a pretty decent job
    Amusing bit on Bloom assaulting a journalist in the street.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    SeanT said:

    Tim B said:

    "Even today I have no real desire ever to go to Britain again. I'd like to see my old friends, my old school etc, but it's not worth the aggro of the place - the roads are terrible, the food is awful, the climate worse, and the prices are a nightmare "

    Classic f*cked up tragic expat, moaning about Britain and how pleased he is to leave Britain - and doing it on a British website full of Brits talking about British politics.

    There is nothing sadder than the aged expatriate convincing himself that he made the right decision, he really really did, honest - even as he contemplates the awful bleakness of death in a land he cannot ever call his home.

    Remember, boys and girls: NEVER EMIGRATE UNLESS YOU ARE UNDER 25.

    Lol.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    For the first time since - well, ever. Most of my friends avoid me if there's an election or whatever on - everyone I know seems to be talking politics.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,069
    AndyJS said:

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    Book? What do you mean?
    Profit, loss on each outcome.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    BTW does anyone know what time kick off is for Froch-Groves tomorrow? As in ding ding Round One?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

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    Profit, loss on each outcome.
    I'm not very advanced with that sort of thing, just have a bet on UKIP at 4/1.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    Tim B said:

    "Even today I have no real desire ever to go to Britain again. I'd like to see my old friends, my old school etc, but it's not worth the aggro of the place - the roads are terrible, the food is awful, the climate worse, and the prices are a nightmare "

    Classic f*cked up tragic expat, moaning about Britain and how pleased he is to leave Britain - and doing it on a British website full of Brits talking about British politics.

    There is nothing sadder than the aged expatriate convincing himself that he made the right decision, he really really did, honest - even as he contemplates the awful bleakness of death in a land he cannot ever call his home.

    Remember, boys and girls: NEVER EMIGRATE UNLESS YOU ARE UNDER 25.

    Roads, food, climate and prices can all be pretty awful in the US as well. Having to constantly tip people for doing things like holding doors open is annoying, for example.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    Tim B said:

    "Even today I have no real desire ever to go to Britain again. I'd like to see my old friends, my old school etc, but it's not worth the aggro of the place - the roads are terrible, the food is awful, the climate worse, and the prices are a nightmare "

    Classic f*cked up tragic expat, moaning about Britain and how pleased he is to leave Britain - and doing it on a British website full of Brits talking about British politics.

    There is nothing sadder than the aged expatriate convincing himself that he made the right decision, he really really did, honest - even as he contemplates the awful bleakness of death in a land he cannot ever call his home.

    Remember, boys and girls: NEVER EMIGRATE UNLESS YOU ARE UNDER 25.

    For once, SeanT is spot on !
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    DavidL said:

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    There are reasons that Glasgow is used as a backdrop for so many dramas set in Eastern Europe before the wall came down. Bits of it are a war zone.
    I remember driving round some parts of Cranhill and Easterhouse in the late 90's which were unbelievable, with the poor housing and poverty on display. Of course they then started knocking them down so now there are large areas where the building density has halved
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited May 2014
    The way to emigrate is to mentally adopt the new country, and turn your back on the old one.

    Your heart cannot be divided. When my grandparents migrated to the UK they never looked back, with o ly two visits to the old country in 60 years. Afrikaaners have a pejorative term for such people who have not mentally committed themselves to the new land: "Soutpiel".

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=soutpiel
    SeanT said:

    Tim B said:

    "Even today I have no real desire ever to go to Britain again. I'd like to see my old friends, my old school etc, but it's not worth the aggro of the place - the roads are terrible, the food is awful, the climate worse, and the prices are a nightmare "

    Classic f*cked up tragic expat, moaning about Britain and how pleased he is to leave Britain - and doing it on a British website full of Brits talking about British politics.

    There is nothing sadder than the aged expatriate convincing himself that he made the right decision, he really really did, honest - even as he contemplates the awful bleakness of death in a land he cannot ever call his home.

    Remember, boys and girls: NEVER EMIGRATE UNLESS YOU ARE UNDER 25.

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Carola said:

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    Lol.
    Exactly, Miss. Good old, Mr. T. always ready to leap in with both feet and make a complete prick of himself.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RodCrosby said:

    Big moves to UKIP on Betfair

    3.5 in from 4.5

    and back out again... (^_-)

    Ladbrokes is 5/2 now. So is Paddy Power.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    I know I should having been around this site for years but people quoting odds and changes still means absolutely nothing to me. I wish I could get my head around it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,260
    ToryJim said:

    I know I should having been around this site for years but people quoting odds and changes still means absolutely nothing to me. I wish I could get my head around it.

    Seconded.

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    SeanT said:

    Tim B said:

    "Even today I have no real desire ever to go to Britain again. I'd like to see my old friends, my old school etc, but it's not worth the aggro of the place - the roads are terrible, the food is awful, the climate worse, and the prices are a nightmare "

    Classic f*cked up tragic expat, moaning about Britain and how pleased he is to leave Britain - and doing it on a British website full of Brits talking about British politics.

    There is nothing sadder than the aged expatriate convincing himself that he made the right decision, he really really did, honest - even as he contemplates the awful bleakness of death in a land he cannot ever call his home.

    Remember, boys and girls: NEVER EMIGRATE UNLESS YOU ARE UNDER 25.

    The food is awful? It may have been when he left but it certainly isn't now!

    As for prices nine of us (including two young ones) went for lunch at a Brasserie Blanc last Monday, really good food for less than £200. You can go to bookatable.com and have great food in some of the best restaurants in the capital of the world for a very reasonable amount. And we have Cornwall, far and away the best place in the world.

    Still Wendy's is cheap.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    HurstLlama said:

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    Exactly, Miss. Good old, Mr. T. always ready to leap in with both feet and make a complete prick of himself.
    I've worked abroad a couple of times relatively short term - I nearly went for an intended permanent move once. But not to somewhere similar to here. A complete change.

    What's weird is as I get older I fight the urge to move back north. The south has never felt permanent to me, even thought I've lived south for the best part of 30 years in total, in various places.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Factoid: 16 of the last 23 candidates selected to replace retiring MPs have been women.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    Carola said:

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    I've worked abroad a couple of times relatively short term - I nearly went for an intended permanent move once. But not to somewhere similar to here. A complete change.

    What's weird is as I get older I fight the urge to move back north. The south has never felt permanent to me, even thought I've lived south for the best part of 30 years in total, in various places.
    I lived in the far east for a few years. Eventually came back when the lack of Radio 4, amongst other things, got to me. I suppose today that wouldn't be an issue what with the iPlayer and all.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sadiq Khan has written a letter to UKIP supporters apologising for Labour’s previous stances on immigration:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/478076/We-were-wrong-we-are-sorry-Senior-Labour-MP-Sadiq-Khan-pens-open-letter-to-Ukip-voters
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    TOPPING said:

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    I am tempted to mention how stop and search is a part of life in certain parts of London but that might tempt certain posters to opine about how those people are criminals and deserve it anyway rather than being targets of our friends the police.

    Newark? Who cares, it's mid-term.
    When Mayor Bloomberg was asked why 80% of those stop and searched were black he replied 90% of crimes were committed by blacks therefore they are not stopped enough. Stats not Theresa May's strong point.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,385
    No way can India be considered a "superpower":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-27635363
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Carola said:

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    I've worked abroad a couple of times relatively short term - I nearly went for an intended permanent move once. But not to somewhere similar to here. A complete change.

    What's weird is as I get older I fight the urge to move back north. The south has never felt permanent to me, even thought I've lived south for the best part of 30 years in total, in various places.
    Well, I left London when I was 18 and not once have I had any inclination to move back, not once. Had Herself not exerted such a spell on me I would have emigrated in the late 70's and I would not have come back from the Oman in the 1990s.

    I still feel no urge to return to my roots but I am gently campaigning to get Herself to consider moving to Northumbria. I am not hopeful of success.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,078
    edited May 2014
    SeanT said:

    Tim B said:

    "Even today I have no real desire ever to go to Britain again. I'd like to see my old friends, my old school etc, but it's not worth the aggro of the place - the roads are terrible, the food is awful, the climate worse, and the prices are a nightmare "

    Classic f*cked up tragic expat, moaning about Britain and how pleased he is to leave Britain - and doing it on a British website full of Brits talking about British politics.

    There is nothing sadder than the aged expatriate convincing himself that he made the right decision, he really really did, honest - even as he contemplates the awful bleakness of death in a land he cannot ever call his home.

    Remember, boys and girls: NEVER EMIGRATE UNLESS YOU ARE UNDER 25.

    Spot on.

    All said and done, this country is an amazing country - hard work is normally well rewarded, but there is also a sense of compassion and fair play.

    My parents took a small risk to leave Sri Lanka amid an atmosphere of discrimination and persecution in the early seventies I am glad and grateful that they chose to make their home in the UK.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    AndyJS said:

    Sadiq Khan has written a letter to UKIP supporters apologising for Labour’s previous stances on immigration:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/478076/We-were-wrong-we-are-sorry-Senior-Labour-MP-Sadiq-Khan-pens-open-letter-to-Ukip-voters

    Utter garbage, the sort of self serving bullshit that makes kippers like me even more determined to keep out slime balls like him.

    Say what you like about Clegg but at least when he debated Farage it was over something he truly believed in, the likes of Khan are only interested in being in power.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    SeanT said:

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    Everyone has a homing instinct, which intensifies as you age. Heimat: the homeland: it beckons. Something stirs in the soul. And if you resist it you grow increasingly unhappy, or alcoholic. Because you want to go HOME. Because you NEED to go home.

    As I say I think if you migrate as a young child or maybe a very young woman or man you can avoid this, but everyone else is afflicted. The Icelandics nailed the syndrome in Njal's Saga, a fantastic narrative, written 1000 years ago.

    Even though Njal knows that if he stays in Iceland he will die, he knows, even better, than in the end his heart will die if he forsakes his homeland forever. And the death of the heart is worse than mere physical death. So he stays, and he is killed, but he is buried in the soil of his native land.

    Still Tim B's got professional lacrosse on six different TV channels, and drive thru Chick-Fil A, so maybe he'll be OK.


    Sean, old boy, you don't half talk a load of bollocks at times.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    No way can India be considered a "superpower":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-27635363

    It just says "aspires to be a superpower" in that piece though. Think it's got a long way to go.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    OT It's at times like this I am glad I don't live in Scotland. According to the BBC, the Police Service of Scotland executed 640,699 stop and searches in the last year. That is 2.9 times as many per annum as the Metropolitan Police, and the Metropolitan Police District of course contains more people than Scotland. This is astonishingly authoritarian. It would imply that approximately 12% of the Scottish population are stopped and searched each year. That the Nationalist administration are not only unconcerned about these figures, but seem to think they represent good policing, demonstrates that any claim that the SNP are in favour of civil liberties is absurd.

    "There were 3,027 searches per 10,000 people in Glasgow City compared with 297 searches per 10,000 people in Aberdeen."

    "There appeared to be no targeting of ethnic minorities in police stop and searches, with most involving Caucasian males."

    "We could find no causal link between the reduction in violence and the volume of stop-and-search activity."

    Gang culture. Reduces number of young men carrying weapons. Doesn't reduce the violence so much as reduce the lethality.

    That link accidentally shines a spotlight on 40 years of BBC lying about London.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    SeanT said:

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    Everyone has a homing instinct, which intensifies as you age. Heimat: the homeland: it beckons. Something stirs in the soul. And if you resist it you grow increasingly unhappy, or alcoholic. Because you want to go HOME. Because you NEED to go home.

    As I say I think if you migrate as a young child or maybe a very young woman or man you can avoid this, but everyone else is afflicted. The Icelandics nailed the syndrome in Njal's Saga, a fantastic narrative, written 1000 years ago.

    Even though Njal knows that if he stays in Iceland he will die, he knows, even better, than in the end his heart will die if he forsakes his homeland forever. And the death of the heart is worse than mere physical death. So he stays, and he is killed, but he is buried in the soil of his native land.

    Still Tim B's got professional lacrosse on six different TV channels, and drive thru Chick-Fil A, so maybe he'll be OK.


    I couldn't imagine going back to Stoke - some family there, but most of my ties are here and in London. I think I miss... hard to explain. A sense of what's *important* that I don't get down here.

    And the coutryside. Dark awesome lonely countryside. Not the chocolate-boxy stuff of the south east.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
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    TOPPING said:

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    I lived in the far east for a few years. Eventually came back when the lack of Radio 4, amongst other things, got to me. I suppose today that wouldn't be an issue what with the iPlayer and all.
    I was fine in Asia. You expect it to be different, and tune in/out of it. Oz I didn't like. The culture was kind of the same as here, but without the good bits.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,999
    Emigrating is a huge deal. Once you've done it you spend the rest of your life convincing yourself you've made the right decision. My brother in NZ is just like that. Nothing good to say about home at all. In fact, he denies being British. He calls us Poms and has developed a bizarre North London/Kiwi hybrid accent.

    You know why the portions are so big in the US? It's emigrants celebrating the plenty of their New Found Land.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,385
    The food is awful? In multiculti Britain? With restaurants offering virtually every single cuisine on earth, especially in the big cities?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    HurstLlama said:

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    Well, I left London when I was 18 and not once have I had any inclination to move back, not once. Had Herself not exerted such a spell on me I would have emigrated in the late 70's and I would not have come back from the Oman in the 1990s.

    I still feel no urge to return to my roots but I am gently campaigning to get Herself to consider moving to Northumbria. I am not hopeful of success.
    Wonderful property for sale just outside Hexham, Mr. Llama.

    http://bit.ly/1iB8yEg

    It's not just that it fronts the Tyne with a small bit of land, but it also has a wonderful back history.

    http://dailym.ai/SkJj2o

    And all for less than it would cost to buy a two bedroom flat in Kensington and Chelsea.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Emigrating - i think it varies with the person. Personally I hate not living in my home manor let alone country.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,385
    To be fair to the Yanks, I was surprised how easy it was to be a veggie in Boulder, CO, when I worked there in 2011 (and Denver wasn't too bad either food wise). Not sure if it was just a Colorado thing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,260
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    The food is awful? In multiculti Britain? With restaurants offering virtually every single cuisine on earth, especially in the big cities?

    Truly one of the great achievements of multi-culturalism that, in that even those against it in general will recognise that improvement.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    SeanT said:

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    Everyone has a homing instinct, which intensifies as you age. Heimat: the homeland: it beckons. Something stirs in the soul. And if you resist it you grow increasingly unhappy, or alcoholic. Because you want to go HOME. Because you NEED to go home.

    As I say I think if you migrate as a young child or maybe a very young woman or man you can avoid this, but everyone else is afflicted. The Icelandics nailed the syndrome in Njal's Saga, a fantastic narrative, written 1000 years ago.

    Even though Njal knows that if he stays in Iceland he will die, he knows, even better, than in the end his heart will die if he forsakes his homeland forever. And the death of the heart is worse than mere physical death. So he stays, and he is killed, but he is buried in the soil of his native land.

    Still Tim B's got professional lacrosse on six different TV channels, and drive thru Chick-Fil A, so maybe he'll be OK.
    That's me fecked then, given that I left London at 21 and have never felt at home there or anywhere else.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Newsnight on leader reading habits - Cameron includes 'political blogs'. *waves*
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Labour matched at 46 on Betfair
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,385
    Do you know, when I arrived in the UK in 1976, I spoke not a single word of English! Probably beacuse I was only four months old :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,260
    Carola said:

    Newsnight on leader reading habits - Cameron includes 'political blogs'. *waves*

    Surely not blog comments however? Why subject himself to that? Not enough divisive arguments in his day job?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,385
    I must confess something in common with Ed - I don't read the papers either! I get my news on the Web, namely the Beeb site, Guido occasionally, but 90% of the time right here on PB.com!

    (raises glass to one and all!)
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
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    Surely not blog comments however? Why subject himself to that? Not enough divisive arguments in his day job?

    No I don't imagine he does! Few do I thought, according to stats.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,069
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    Truly one of the great achievements of multi-culturalism that, in that even those against it in general will recognise that improvement.
    Have the more recent eastern Europeans bought any decent nosh with them ? I like the occasional pickled herring as much as the next person but can't I've never headed out for a "polish"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,385
    Pulpstar said:

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    Have the more recent eastern Europeans bought any decent nosh with them ? I like the occasional pickled herring as much as the next person but can't I've never headed out for a "polish"
    I've seen Polish shops as far apart as Ilford and Coventry! I have bought some of their cakes and pastries and they're not bad at all!
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    Pulpstar said:

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    Have the more recent eastern Europeans bought any decent nosh with them ? I like the occasional pickled herring as much as the next person but can't I've never headed out for a "polish"
    I've had Hungarian barbecue, all the meat was cooked with liberal doses of beer thrown over it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,260
    Pulpstar said:

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    Have the more recent eastern Europeans bought any decent nosh with them ? I like the occasional pickled herring as much as the next person but can't I've never headed out for a "polish"
    Hmm, interesting point. There's a couple of thousand of Poles in the town I live, but no Polish Restaurants as far as I'm aware, just some local Polish focused shops. Some tasty polish sausages and the like in the local supermarkets now, but then with the exception of the French* I think most places make decent sausages.

    *I saw Fish Sausages and Tripe sausages when I was last there in the mid 2000s.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    'By Election Day next year, there will have been ~2,000 polls of vote intentions this parliament. Between 1943 and 2010, fewer than 3,500.' @drjennings

    Blimey, is that right?
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    kle4 said:

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    Truly one of the great achievements of multi-culturalism that, in that even those against it in general will recognise that improvement.
    No
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,385
    Carola said:

    'By Election Day next year, there will have been ~2,000 polls of vote intentions this parliament. Between 1943 and 2010, fewer than 3,500.' @drjennings

    Blimey, is that right?

    Probably daily YouGovs could be a fair proportion of those?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,260
    Carola said:

    'By Election Day next year, there will have been ~2,000 polls of vote intentions this parliament. Between 1943 and 2010, fewer than 3,500.' @drjennings

    Blimey, is that right?

    Good time to found a polling company I guess, although I expect reputation counts for a lot. I still don't think Rowan Williams is correct about it being something we need to be worried about though.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,260
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    FalseFlag said:

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    No
    Not a fan of increased culinary output across the country? I didn't say somone had to think that was a fair price to pay for the other impacts of multiculturalism.
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Sell your birthright for a mess of pottage.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

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    Probably daily YouGovs could be a fair proportion of those?
    Yep 1200 of them apparently.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    Carola said:

    'By Election Day next year, there will have been ~2,000 polls of vote intentions this parliament. Between 1943 and 2010, fewer than 3,500.' @drjennings

    Blimey, is that right?

    Sounds plausible, the irony being that whilst drowning in polling data we still have no real idea how the next election will pan out.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    Speaking of polling I do wonder if part of our problem is having reduced politics to a statistical model. Politics feels a lot less about grand argument and far more about micro targeting soundbites to shift 2 voters here or 6 there. I do wonder if the broad narrative sweep gets lost in the details etc
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    I feel at home anywhere within about 100 miles of central England, which just about includes London.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
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    Sounds plausible, the irony being that whilst drowning in polling data we still have no real idea how the next election will pan out.
    Hence so very interesting ;)
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