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You're wasting your breath, Jim. The WWC, WMC and WUC are not entitled to ask questionsToryJim said:
Let me spell it out once more. I couldn't care less who it is, what he looks like, what part of the world he is in or what party he represents. If an election is conducted that is subject to allegations of irregular practices that is a direct existential threat to the concept of democracy. For me democracy is far more important than any notion of party. If this was a Conservative I would want it investigated and the election rerun, if it were Labour, Lib Dem, UKIP, Green, SNP, Plaid, or whoever. The integrity of elections is far more important than who emerges from them the victor.Ninoinoz said:
Yep, it's just a coincidence that the mayor is Bangladeshi and doesn't belong to LibLabCon and the Tory leader is gay.ToryJim said:Excuse me but I couldn't care less who he is or what he looks like. There have been multiple allegations of behaviour and practices that may well call into question the result of this election in this borough. Of course overturning elections is serious and isn't something to be done lightly but we absolutely MUST be able to trust that the process is fair, equitable and arrives at an outcome that is the genuine reflection of the will of the people. We absolutely should be ruthlessly zealous in ensuring the credibility and integrity of the ballot whoever is threatening it and wherever they may be.
Yep, just a coincidence.
I don't dislike the outcome of this election because of who has won it, I dislike the outcome because it appears this election did not live up to the standards we demand. If there were no question marks over the conduct of this election then I wouldn't have a problem with the outcome.0 -
Have you proposed to George yetAveryLP said:
Is that YOU (PLURAL) or YOU (NABAVI)?Neil said:
I demand nothing less than the right to marry YOU!Ninoinoz said:
What, gays demanding majority rights despite being a minority?MrJones said:
Another example of a problem that started small 30-40 years ago and could have been nipped in the bud but wasn't and is now a massive problem.shiney2 said:If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/local-elections/10861289/Support-Tower-Hamlets-mayor-or-risk-riots-says-advisor.html
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I'm only pretending I want to marry him until he puts out. Then I'm going to dump him.Pulpstar said:
Hands off Neil. He's my loyal assistant !Neil said:
I demand nothing less than the right to marry YOU!Ninoinoz said:
What, gays demanding majority rights despite being a minority?MrJones said:
Another example of a problem that started small 30-40 years ago and could have been nipped in the bud but wasn't and is now a massive problem.shiney2 said:If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/local-elections/10861289/Support-Tower-Hamlets-mayor-or-risk-riots-says-advisor.html0 -
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There would be one person too few in this marriage.Pulpstar said:
Have you proposed to George yetAveryLP said:
Is that YOU (PLURAL) or YOU (NABAVI)?Neil said:
I demand nothing less than the right to marry YOU!Ninoinoz said:
What, gays demanding majority rights despite being a minority?MrJones said:
Another example of a problem that started small 30-40 years ago and could have been nipped in the bud but wasn't and is now a massive problem.shiney2 said:If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/local-elections/10861289/Support-Tower-Hamlets-mayor-or-risk-riots-says-advisor.html ?
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Transparent nonsense.ToryJim said:
Let me spell it out once more. I couldn't care less who it is, what he looks like, what part of the world he is in or what party he represents. If an election is conducted that is subject to allegations of irregular practices that is a direct existential threat to the concept of democracy. For me democracy is far more important than any notion of party. If this was a Conservative I would want it investigated and the election rerun, if it were Labour, Lib Dem, UKIP, Green, SNP, Plaid, or whoever. The integrity of elections is far more important than who emerges from them the victor.Ninoinoz said:
Yep, it's just a coincidence that the mayor is Bangladeshi and doesn't belong to LibLabCon and the Tory leader is gay.ToryJim said:Excuse me but I couldn't care less who he is or what he looks like. There have been multiple allegations of behaviour and practices that may well call into question the result of this election in this borough. Of course overturning elections is serious and isn't something to be done lightly but we absolutely MUST be able to trust that the process is fair, equitable and arrives at an outcome that is the genuine reflection of the will of the people. We absolutely should be ruthlessly zealous in ensuring the credibility and integrity of the ballot whoever is threatening it and wherever they may be.
Yep, just a coincidence.
I don't dislike the outcome of this election because of who has won it, I dislike the outcome because it appears this election did not live up to the standards we demand. If there were no question marks over the conduct of this election then I wouldn't have a problem with the outcome.
The electoral "reforms" put in place by Labour have remained in place. No urgency by the Tory led Government to remove them. No concern for integrity of the democratic process there.......until someone outside LibLabCon gets elected.
But rejoice! Surely someone of Rahman's background being elected should be a subject of glee for anti-racist, multi-cultural David Cameron's Tories?
Until they start taking jobs reserved for White, Oxford PPE graduates, that is.
Also, if you're so keen on democracy, how about a referendum? Now.0 -
Union of the centre. Fighting on two fronts.
Get your cash on a national government I say.0 -
And so, eventually, would the White majority in Tower Hamlets.dyedwoolie said:
No one should be allowed a view on homosexuality until they have indulged in it.Neil said:
I demand nothing less than the right to marry YOU!Ninoinoz said:
What, gays demanding majority rights despite being a minority?MrJones said:
Another example of a problem that started small 30-40 years ago and could have been nipped in the bud but wasn't and is now a massive problem.shiney2 said:If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/local-elections/10861289/Support-Tower-Hamlets-mayor-or-risk-riots-says-advisor.html
Opposition would disappear overnight.0 -
If that's our only hope, gold under the patio would be a more certain remedy.dyedwoolie said:Union of the centre. Fighting on two fronts.
Get your cash on a national government I say.0 -
You have a point.Ninoinoz said:
Transparent nonsense.ToryJim said:
Let me spell it out once more. I couldn't care less who it is, what he looks like, what part of the world he is in or what party he represents. If an election is conducted that is subject to allegations of irregular practices that is a direct existential threat to the concept of democracy. For me democracy is far more important than any notion of party. If this was a Conservative I would want it investigated and the election rerun, if it were Labour, Lib Dem, UKIP, Green, SNP, Plaid, or whoever. The integrity of elections is far more important than who emerges from them the victor.Ninoinoz said:
Yep, it's just a coincidence that the mayor is Bangladeshi and doesn't belong to LibLabCon and the Tory leader is gay.ToryJim said:Excuse me but I couldn't care less who he is or what he looks like. There have been multiple allegations of behaviour and practices that may well call into question the result of this election in this borough. Of course overturning elections is serious and isn't something to be done lightly but we absolutely MUST be able to trust that the process is fair, equitable and arrives at an outcome that is the genuine reflection of the will of the people. We absolutely should be ruthlessly zealous in ensuring the credibility and integrity of the ballot whoever is threatening it and wherever they may be.
Yep, just a coincidence.
I don't dislike the outcome of this election because of who has won it, I dislike the outcome because it appears this election did not live up to the standards we demand. If there were no question marks over the conduct of this election then I wouldn't have a problem with the outcome.
The electoral "reforms" put in place by Labour have remained in place. No urgency by the Tory led Government to remove them. No concern for integrity of the democratic process there.......until someone outside LibLabCon gets elected.
But rejoice! Surely someone of Rahman's background being elected should be a subject of glee for anti-racist, multi-cultural David Cameron's Tories?
Until they start taking jobs reserved for White, Oxford PPE graduates, that is.
Also, if you're so keen on democracy, how about a referendum? Now.
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As long as I can take a throat full of manhood when I feel in the mood, I couldn't care less.Ninoinoz said:
And, so eventually, will the White majority in Tower Hamlets.dyedwoolie said:
No one should be allowed a view on homosexuality until they have indulged in it.Neil said:
I demand nothing less than the right to marry YOU!Ninoinoz said:
What, gays demanding majority rights despite being a minority?MrJones said:
Another example of a problem that started small 30-40 years ago and could have been nipped in the bud but wasn't and is now a massive problem.shiney2 said:If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/local-elections/10861289/Support-Tower-Hamlets-mayor-or-risk-riots-says-advisor.html
Opposition would disappear overnight.0 -
It's a question of whether the majority of the reasonable wake up and smell the coffee before they throw it all away and we descend, fast.shiney2 said:
If that's our only hope, gold under the patio would be a more certain remedy.dyedwoolie said:Union of the centre. Fighting on two fronts.
Get your cash on a national government I say.0 -
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Incidentally, would someone explain to me why, when the White working class were driven out of East London into Essex, there was so little concern for them, but when Labour politicos are driven out, there is such concern?
Not so funny when your own noses are rubbed in diversity, is it?0 -
Only works with external threats. The invariable remedy for existential internal threats is civil war. The hope is always that one side has all the guns - then its quick.dyedwoolie said:
It's a question of whether the majority of the reasonable wake up and smell the coffee before they throw it all away and we descend, fast.shiney2 said:
If that's our only hope, gold under the patio would be a more certain remedy.dyedwoolie said:Union of the centre. Fighting on two fronts.
Get your cash on a national government I say.
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Political correctness GORN MAD me old muckerNinoinoz said:Incidentally, would someone explain to me why, when the White working class were driven out of East London into Essex, there was so little concern for them, but when Labour politicos are driven out, there is such concern?
Not so funny when your own noses are rubbed in diversity, is it?
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True. And bleakshiney2 said:
Only works with external threats. The invariable remedy for existential internal threats is civil war. The hope is always that one side has all the guns - then its quick.dyedwoolie said:
It's a question of whether the majority of the reasonable wake up and smell the coffee before they throw it all away and we descend, fast.shiney2 said:
If that's our only hope, gold under the patio would be a more certain remedy.dyedwoolie said:Union of the centre. Fighting on two fronts.
Get your cash on a national government I say.
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So, are Norsefire going to take Newark or not?0
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@Ninoinoz
Unfortunately I'm not in the government so have no leverage on what they choose to prioritise. My opinion is and has been for some considerable time that postal voting on a large scale is open to serious abuse and should be reined in. That the govt don't agree or prioritise this is up to them, but is a matter I regret.
Clearly you have massive comprehension problems with fairly plain English. I can only say yet again, I have absolutely no problem with Mr Rahman. I have a problem with the election recently held in his patch. If he had been comprehensively spanked and the same allegations had surfaced I would be saying the same thing. Nothing is more important than the integrity of the vote.
I'm surprised you can even type with such a colossal chip on your shoulder.
What exactly do you want a referendum on? I'm perfectly happy to consult the people on many things but it's worth having something to ask first.0 -
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.0
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It's race relations night here on peebee, and everyone has turned up hungover in black and white minstrel outfits.
What could possibly go wrong?0 -
Lib Dem to UKIP defectors, I suggest you get tee shirts printed saying 'I used to agree with Nick (no, not that one!)'0
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Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
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Good result for the Tories in Harrow East in the local elections:
Con 11,015
Lab 8,944
LD 2,130
Ind Lab Group 1,846
UKIP 421
Green 352
Ind 311
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The Tories are in Government, liar.ToryJim said:Unfortunately I'm not in the government so have no leverage on what they choose to prioritise.
Liar. You want him deposed as mayor.ToryJim said:I can only say yet again, I have absolutely no problem with Mr Rahman.
Is that you (singular) or you (plural)? You certainly seem to be having problems with that judging by your response to my post.ToryJim said:Clearly you have massive comprehension problems with fairly plain English.
Not the first time that's happened on this thread tonight.
Well, yeah, with your fellow Tory AveryLB shouting "racist!" at everyone maybe this wasn't the best thread to suggest deposing a democratically elected politician because he's Asian.ToryJim said:I'm surprised you can even type with such a colossal chip on your shoulder.
Where have you been this last week? A nuclear bunker? Trappist monastery?ToryJim said:What exactly do you want a referendum on? I'm perfectly happy to consult the people on many things but it's worth having something to ask first.
An In/Out of the EU referendum, of course,0 -
Avery, please stop flirting with my Nino!0
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" am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected."
Almost the classical "I'm not a racist but.."
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We should have a racist race every day from 6am. Who is the first poster to post something someone finds a way to infer racism from.0
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Is this an anti-Catholic remark?AveryLP said:
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).0 -
Can I roleplay D.Abbot please?dyedwoolie said:We should have a racist race every day from 6am. Who is the first poster to post something someone finds a way to infer racism from.
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Dudley North, local elections:
UKIP 6,539
Lab 6,103
Con 3,830
Green 6200 -
Is that a Euphemism?shiney2 said:
Can I roleplay D.Abbot please?dyedwoolie said:We should have a racist race every day from 6am. Who is the first poster to post something someone finds a way to infer racism from.
Either way, yes you can
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Just as an aside, has there ever been a case when a winner of an election has resigned to stand again because of electoral irregularities on their own side?0
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Stourbridge, local elections:
Con 8,330
Lab 7,695
UKIP 7,004
Green 1,311
LD 7670 -
Nothing to do with being for or against Catholicism.Ninoinoz said:
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?AveryLP said:
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
In the much honoured PB tradition our (singular) remark was on electoral systems and practice.
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You can of course believe in the right of people to hold stupid beliefs whilst holding your own that they are childish morons with a reality problem.Ninoinoz said:
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?AveryLP said:
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
Thinking someone is a moron for having religious faith is not to deny them equality. It's to laugh at them whilst acknowledging their right to waste their equal rights on sky fairies and the like0 -
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Pope nothing to do with Catholicism, eh, Avery?AveryLP said:
Nothing to do with being for or against Catholicism.Ninoinoz said:
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?AveryLP said:
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
In the much honoured PB tradition our (singular) remark was on electoral systems and practice.
And racism nothing to do with attacks on Rahman as well?
I honestly don't mind jokes at my expense on this thread, just don't treat me like a f*cking idiot.0 -
You haven't been reading AveryLB's self-righteous posturing over the last few days, have you?dyedwoolie said:
You can of course believe in the right of people to hold stupid beliefs whilst holding your own that they are childish morons with a reality problem.Ninoinoz said:
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?AveryLP said:
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
Thinking someone is a moron for having religious faith is not to deny them equality. It's to laugh at them whilst acknowledging their right to waste their equal rights on sky fairies and the like0 -
It is a case of when in Rome do as the porteños (of Buenos Aires) do.Neil said:
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It's in the LDs strategic interest for UKIP to do well (which may explain Clegg's debate offer to Farage)dyedwoolie said:Lib Dem to UKIP defectors, I suggest you get tee shirts printed saying 'I used to agree with Nick (no, not that one!)'
Outcomes in ascending order of likelihood.
1. UKIP break the mould, and win government or a share in government. They bring in PR, and the LDs are guaranteed 60+ seats pretty much in perpetuity.
2. They do well, perhaps beating the LDs in votes, but win no seats. The bizarre outcome will increase the clamour for PR.
3. They fade but still win a substantial number of votes. Under FPTP, the LDs will hold more of their seats for any given share, the more fragmented the field is. (cf Eastleigh by-election, held on the lowest share of the vote since 1918)0 -
3.RodCrosby said:
It's in the LDs strategic interest for UKIP to do well (which may explain Clegg's debate offer to Farage)dyedwoolie said:Lib Dem to UKIP defectors, I suggest you get tee shirts printed saying 'I used to agree with Nick (no, not that one!)'
Outcomes in ascending order of likelihood.
1. UKIP break the mould, and win government or a share in government. They bring in PR, and the LDs are guaranteed 60+ seats pretty much in perpetuity.
2. They do well, perhaps beating the LDs in votes, but win no seats. The bizarre outcome will increase the clamour for PR.
3. They fade but still win a substantial number of votes. Under FPTP, the LDs will hold more of their seats for any given share, the more fragmented the field is. (cf Eastleigh by-election, held on the lowest share of the vote since 1918)
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Dudley North is a Labour seat where UKIP won the most votes in the local elections.
The seat did register UKIP's 5th highest share in 2010, and their highest in a Labour held seat.0 -
@Ninoinoz
You clearly have a very shaky grasp of reality let alone politics if you think a single Conservative supporter can dictate to a coalition government its legislative program. Right once more for you as you seem intent on wilfully misinterpreting what I say. I do not want to depose the mayor of Tower Hamlets and absolutely not on the basis of his ethnicity. There are allegations of serious breaches of the proper conduct of elections which would prima facie call into question the confidence we can have in the outcome of this election. In such circumstances to ensure that we can have confidence in the outcome a rerun of the elections with appropriate steps to prevent repetition of that which is alleged.
It seems to me what you want is some blanket ethnic/racial immunity. Are you seriously suggesting we turn a blind eye to electoral malpractice if the beneficiary isn't white? I'm not certain which is more monstrous the crime or adducing such a moronic potential defence.
Ah so you want the referendum the Prime Minister has promised and is intent on delivering? I assume therefore that next year you will trip to the polling station to gleefully vote Conservative to get that which you so desire.0 -
Chillax, Nino.Ninoinoz said:
Pope nothing to do with Catholicism, eh, Avery?AveryLP said:
Nothing to do with being for or against Catholicism.Ninoinoz said:
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?AveryLP said:
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
In the much honoured PB tradition our (singular) remark was on electoral systems and practice.
And racism nothing to do with attacks on Rahman as well?
I honestly don't mind jokes at my expense on this thread, just don't treat me like a f*cking idiot.
With due respect for your (singular) professed Roman Catholicism, I shall treat you henceforth as a virgin idiot.
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He hasn't found the right priest yet.AveryLP said:
Chillax, Nino.Ninoinoz said:
Pope nothing to do with Catholicism, eh, Avery?AveryLP said:
Nothing to do with being for or against Catholicism.Ninoinoz said:
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?AveryLP said:
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
In the much honoured PB tradition our (singular) remark was on electoral systems and practice.
And racism nothing to do with attacks on Rahman as well?
I honestly don't mind jokes at my expense on this thread, just don't treat me like a f*cking idiot.
With due respect for your (singular) professed Roman Catholicism, I shall treat you henceforth as a virgin idiot.
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Colne Valley, local election votes:
Lab 7,573
Con 7,102
LD 7,087
UKIP 3,024
Valley Inds 2,674
Green 2,3670 -
Calder Valley, local election votes:
Con 8,982
Lab 7,957
LD 4,148
Ind 3,207
Green 2,686
UKIP 1,3720 -
Wolverhampton South West, local election votes:
Lab 8,748
Con 7,727
UKIP 4,869
LD 1,0880 -
Burnley constituency, local election votes:
Lab 9,923
LD 8,005
UKIP 1,819
Con 1,251
BNP 446
TUSC 1480 -
Great Grimsby constituency:
UKIP 6,104
Lab 4,716
Con 2,963
LD 2,418
Ind 619
Green 433
TUSC 213
Cleethorpes constituency excluding Barton and Ferry wards in North Lincs:
UKIP 6,528
Con 5,773
Lab 4,452
Ind 513
LD 349
TUSC 279
Green 1980 -
Some small possibility that UKIP finish up getting the 'not red/blue' vote in place of the LDs in 2015. The numbers they've garnered in the Euros probably show that they can win seats (much as the LDs have done) where there's a decent whiff of this sort of thing.
It makes life really awkward for the LDs - if they stay as they are there's this risk, but the risk perhaps gets even worse if they were to contemplate change - and far worse still who would they actually choose as a leader where that person is sure of their seat - there are very few, if any where with the possible loss of the 'not red/blue' tag that they'd be safe.
Cable seems to be not entirely innocent. I wonder if he'll announce he's not standing in 2015 and be shuffled off to the Lords.
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