Excuse me but I couldn't care less who he is or what he looks like. There have been multiple allegations of behaviour and practices that may well call into question the result of this election in this borough. Of course overturning elections is serious and isn't something to be done lightly but we absolutely MUST be able to trust that the process is fair, equitable and arrives at an outcome that is the genuine reflection of the will of the people. We absolutely should be ruthlessly zealous in ensuring the credibility and integrity of the ballot whoever is threatening it and wherever they may be.
Yep, it's just a coincidence that the mayor is Bangladeshi and doesn't belong to LibLabCon and the Tory leader is gay.
Yep, just a coincidence.
Let me spell it out once more. I couldn't care less who it is, what he looks like, what part of the world he is in or what party he represents. If an election is conducted that is subject to allegations of irregular practices that is a direct existential threat to the concept of democracy. For me democracy is far more important than any notion of party. If this was a Conservative I would want it investigated and the election rerun, if it were Labour, Lib Dem, UKIP, Green, SNP, Plaid, or whoever. The integrity of elections is far more important than who emerges from them the victor.
I don't dislike the outcome of this election because of who has won it, I dislike the outcome because it appears this election did not live up to the standards we demand. If there were no question marks over the conduct of this election then I wouldn't have a problem with the outcome.
You're wasting your breath, Jim. The WWC, WMC and WUC are not entitled to ask questions
If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
Excuse me but I couldn't care less who he is or what he looks like. There have been multiple allegations of behaviour and practices that may well call into question the result of this election in this borough. Of course overturning elections is serious and isn't something to be done lightly but we absolutely MUST be able to trust that the process is fair, equitable and arrives at an outcome that is the genuine reflection of the will of the people. We absolutely should be ruthlessly zealous in ensuring the credibility and integrity of the ballot whoever is threatening it and wherever they may be.
Yep, it's just a coincidence that the mayor is Bangladeshi and doesn't belong to LibLabCon and the Tory leader is gay.
Yep, just a coincidence.
Let me spell it out once more. I couldn't care less who it is, what he looks like, what part of the world he is in or what party he represents. If an election is conducted that is subject to allegations of irregular practices that is a direct existential threat to the concept of democracy. For me democracy is far more important than any notion of party. If this was a Conservative I would want it investigated and the election rerun, if it were Labour, Lib Dem, UKIP, Green, SNP, Plaid, or whoever. The integrity of elections is far more important than who emerges from them the victor.
I don't dislike the outcome of this election because of who has won it, I dislike the outcome because it appears this election did not live up to the standards we demand. If there were no question marks over the conduct of this election then I wouldn't have a problem with the outcome.
Transparent nonsense.
The electoral "reforms" put in place by Labour have remained in place. No urgency by the Tory led Government to remove them. No concern for integrity of the democratic process there.......until someone outside LibLabCon gets elected.
But rejoice! Surely someone of Rahman's background being elected should be a subject of glee for anti-racist, multi-cultural David Cameron's Tories?
Until they start taking jobs reserved for White, Oxford PPE graduates, that is.
Also, if you're so keen on democracy, how about a referendum? Now.
If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
Excuse me but I couldn't care less who he is or what he looks like. There have been multiple allegations of behaviour and practices that may well call into question the result of this election in this borough. Of course overturning elections is serious and isn't something to be done lightly but we absolutely MUST be able to trust that the process is fair, equitable and arrives at an outcome that is the genuine reflection of the will of the people. We absolutely should be ruthlessly zealous in ensuring the credibility and integrity of the ballot whoever is threatening it and wherever they may be.
Yep, it's just a coincidence that the mayor is Bangladeshi and doesn't belong to LibLabCon and the Tory leader is gay.
Yep, just a coincidence.
Let me spell it out once more. I couldn't care less who it is, what he looks like, what part of the world he is in or what party he represents. If an election is conducted that is subject to allegations of irregular practices that is a direct existential threat to the concept of democracy. For me democracy is far more important than any notion of party. If this was a Conservative I would want it investigated and the election rerun, if it were Labour, Lib Dem, UKIP, Green, SNP, Plaid, or whoever. The integrity of elections is far more important than who emerges from them the victor.
I don't dislike the outcome of this election because of who has won it, I dislike the outcome because it appears this election did not live up to the standards we demand. If there were no question marks over the conduct of this election then I wouldn't have a problem with the outcome.
Transparent nonsense.
The electoral "reforms" put in place by Labour have remained in place. No urgency by the Tory led Government to remove them. No concern for integrity of the democratic process there.......until someone outside LibLabCon gets elected.
But rejoice! Surely someone of Rahman's background being elected should be a subject of glee for anti-racist, multi-cultural David Cameron's Tories?
Until they start taking jobs reserved for White, Oxford PPE graduates, that is.
Also, if you're so keen on democracy, how about a referendum? Now.
If Mr Gilligan is reporting correctly, it looks like Labour is really going to need its UAF/HateNotHope street fighting wing in one constituency.
"Cllr Peter Golds, leader of the opposition on the council, said: “I am gobsmacked. This is actually a threat of violence. Given what we know of the mayor’s ability to bring people out on to the streets, this is deeply disturbing.” "
A couple of questions..
Are they actually reliable against this new opponent?
How many other, soon to be ex-labour, strongholds will follow the successful example of Mr Rahman?
Incidentally, would someone explain to me why, when the White working class were driven out of East London into Essex, there was so little concern for them, but when Labour politicos are driven out, there is such concern?
Not so funny when your own noses are rubbed in diversity, is it?
Union of the centre. Fighting on two fronts. Get your cash on a national government I say.
If that's our only hope, gold under the patio would be a more certain remedy.
It's a question of whether the majority of the reasonable wake up and smell the coffee before they throw it all away and we descend, fast.
Only works with external threats. The invariable remedy for existential internal threats is civil war. The hope is always that one side has all the guns - then its quick.
Incidentally, would someone explain to me why, when the White working class were driven out of East London into Essex, there was so little concern for them, but when Labour politicos are driven out, there is such concern?
Not so funny when your own noses are rubbed in diversity, is it?
Union of the centre. Fighting on two fronts. Get your cash on a national government I say.
If that's our only hope, gold under the patio would be a more certain remedy.
It's a question of whether the majority of the reasonable wake up and smell the coffee before they throw it all away and we descend, fast.
Only works with external threats. The invariable remedy for existential internal threats is civil war. The hope is always that one side has all the guns - then its quick.
Unfortunately I'm not in the government so have no leverage on what they choose to prioritise. My opinion is and has been for some considerable time that postal voting on a large scale is open to serious abuse and should be reined in. That the govt don't agree or prioritise this is up to them, but is a matter I regret.
Clearly you have massive comprehension problems with fairly plain English. I can only say yet again, I have absolutely no problem with Mr Rahman. I have a problem with the election recently held in his patch. If he had been comprehensively spanked and the same allegations had surfaced I would be saying the same thing. Nothing is more important than the integrity of the vote.
I'm surprised you can even type with such a colossal chip on your shoulder.
What exactly do you want a referendum on? I'm perfectly happy to consult the people on many things but it's worth having something to ask first.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
I'm surprised you can even type with such a colossal chip on your shoulder.
Well, yeah, with your fellow Tory AveryLB shouting "racist!" at everyone maybe this wasn't the best thread to suggest deposing a democratically elected politician because he's Asian.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
Just as an aside, has there ever been a case when a winner of an election has resigned to stand again because of electoral irregularities on their own side?
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
Nothing to do with being for or against Catholicism.
In the much honoured PB tradition our (singular) remark was on electoral systems and practice.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
You can of course believe in the right of people to hold stupid beliefs whilst holding your own that they are childish morons with a reality problem. Thinking someone is a moron for having religious faith is not to deny them equality. It's to laugh at them whilst acknowledging their right to waste their equal rights on sky fairies and the like
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
Nothing to do with being for or against Catholicism.
In the much honoured PB tradition our (singular) remark was on electoral systems and practice.
Pope nothing to do with Catholicism, eh, Avery?
And racism nothing to do with attacks on Rahman as well?
I honestly don't mind jokes at my expense on this thread, just don't treat me like a f*cking idiot.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
You can of course believe in the right of people to hold stupid beliefs whilst holding your own that they are childish morons with a reality problem. Thinking someone is a moron for having religious faith is not to deny them equality. It's to laugh at them whilst acknowledging their right to waste their equal rights on sky fairies and the like
You haven't been reading AveryLB's self-righteous posturing over the last few days, have you?
Lib Dem to UKIP defectors, I suggest you get tee shirts printed saying 'I used to agree with Nick (no, not that one!)'
It's in the LDs strategic interest for UKIP to do well (which may explain Clegg's debate offer to Farage)
Outcomes in ascending order of likelihood.
1. UKIP break the mould, and win government or a share in government. They bring in PR, and the LDs are guaranteed 60+ seats pretty much in perpetuity.
2. They do well, perhaps beating the LDs in votes, but win no seats. The bizarre outcome will increase the clamour for PR.
3. They fade but still win a substantial number of votes. Under FPTP, the LDs will hold more of their seats for any given share, the more fragmented the field is. (cf Eastleigh by-election, held on the lowest share of the vote since 1918)
Lib Dem to UKIP defectors, I suggest you get tee shirts printed saying 'I used to agree with Nick (no, not that one!)'
It's in the LDs strategic interest for UKIP to do well (which may explain Clegg's debate offer to Farage)
Outcomes in ascending order of likelihood.
1. UKIP break the mould, and win government or a share in government. They bring in PR, and the LDs are guaranteed 60+ seats pretty much in perpetuity.
2. They do well, perhaps beating the LDs in votes, but win no seats. The bizarre outcome will increase the clamour for PR.
3. They fade but still win a substantial number of votes. Under FPTP, the LDs will hold more of their seats for any given share, the more fragmented the field is. (cf Eastleigh by-election, held on the lowest share of the vote since 1918)
You clearly have a very shaky grasp of reality let alone politics if you think a single Conservative supporter can dictate to a coalition government its legislative program. Right once more for you as you seem intent on wilfully misinterpreting what I say. I do not want to depose the mayor of Tower Hamlets and absolutely not on the basis of his ethnicity. There are allegations of serious breaches of the proper conduct of elections which would prima facie call into question the confidence we can have in the outcome of this election. In such circumstances to ensure that we can have confidence in the outcome a rerun of the elections with appropriate steps to prevent repetition of that which is alleged.
It seems to me what you want is some blanket ethnic/racial immunity. Are you seriously suggesting we turn a blind eye to electoral malpractice if the beneficiary isn't white? I'm not certain which is more monstrous the crime or adducing such a moronic potential defence.
Ah so you want the referendum the Prime Minister has promised and is intent on delivering? I assume therefore that next year you will trip to the polling station to gleefully vote Conservative to get that which you so desire.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
Nothing to do with being for or against Catholicism.
In the much honoured PB tradition our (singular) remark was on electoral systems and practice.
Pope nothing to do with Catholicism, eh, Avery?
And racism nothing to do with attacks on Rahman as well?
I honestly don't mind jokes at my expense on this thread, just don't treat me like a f*cking idiot.
Chillax, Nino.
With due respect for your (singular) professed Roman Catholicism, I shall treat you henceforth as a virgin idiot.
Incidentally, I am looking forward to PB's very own Tory scourge of racism, AveryLB, protesting at a democratically elected Asian being ousted in Tower Hamlets.
Whatever the electors of Tower Hamlets were puffing it gave off black smoke not white.
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
Is this an anti-Catholic remark?
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
Nothing to do with being for or against Catholicism.
In the much honoured PB tradition our (singular) remark was on electoral systems and practice.
Pope nothing to do with Catholicism, eh, Avery?
And racism nothing to do with attacks on Rahman as well?
I honestly don't mind jokes at my expense on this thread, just don't treat me like a f*cking idiot.
Chillax, Nino.
With due respect for your (singular) professed Roman Catholicism, I shall treat you henceforth as a virgin idiot.
Some small possibility that UKIP finish up getting the 'not red/blue' vote in place of the LDs in 2015. The numbers they've garnered in the Euros probably show that they can win seats (much as the LDs have done) where there's a decent whiff of this sort of thing.
It makes life really awkward for the LDs - if they stay as they are there's this risk, but the risk perhaps gets even worse if they were to contemplate change - and far worse still who would they actually choose as a leader where that person is sure of their seat - there are very few, if any where with the possible loss of the 'not red/blue' tag that they'd be safe.
Cable seems to be not entirely innocent. I wonder if he'll announce he's not standing in 2015 and be shuffled off to the Lords.
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Freya found in Vauxhall.
The electoral "reforms" put in place by Labour have remained in place. No urgency by the Tory led Government to remove them. No concern for integrity of the democratic process there.......until someone outside LibLabCon gets elected.
But rejoice! Surely someone of Rahman's background being elected should be a subject of glee for anti-racist, multi-cultural David Cameron's Tories?
Until they start taking jobs reserved for White, Oxford PPE graduates, that is.
Also, if you're so keen on democracy, how about a referendum? Now.
Get your cash on a national government I say.
Where's my anaconda?
Not so funny when your own noses are rubbed in diversity, is it?
Stop playing hard to get!
Unfortunately I'm not in the government so have no leverage on what they choose to prioritise. My opinion is and has been for some considerable time that postal voting on a large scale is open to serious abuse and should be reined in. That the govt don't agree or prioritise this is up to them, but is a matter I regret.
Clearly you have massive comprehension problems with fairly plain English. I can only say yet again, I have absolutely no problem with Mr Rahman. I have a problem with the election recently held in his patch. If he had been comprehensively spanked and the same allegations had surfaced I would be saying the same thing. Nothing is more important than the integrity of the vote.
I'm surprised you can even type with such a colossal chip on your shoulder.
What exactly do you want a referendum on? I'm perfectly happy to consult the people on many things but it's worth having something to ask first.
What could possibly go wrong?
I am not objecting to a 'Black Pope' just questioning the process by which he was elected.
Con 11,015
Lab 8,944
LD 2,130
Ind Lab Group 1,846
UKIP 421
Green 352
Ind 311
Lab + Ind Lab Group = 10,790
Not the first time that's happened on this thread tonight. Well, yeah, with your fellow Tory AveryLB shouting "racist!" at everyone maybe this wasn't the best thread to suggest deposing a democratically elected politician because he's Asian. Where have you been this last week? A nuclear bunker? Trappist monastery?
An In/Out of the EU referendum, of course,
Almost the classical "I'm not a racist but.."
At least that would be better than Pulpie's suggestion.
I think this means your self-righteous attacks on Ukippers stop from this moment on.
This is what really annoys me. People who flaunt their liberality and tolerance until someone either disagrees with them or has the effrontery to take a job their expense, then they turn into bigots of the worse kind all the while still proclaiming their belief in equality.
The middle classes aren't less racist, they're just better at hiding it (usually).
UKIP 6,539
Lab 6,103
Con 3,830
Green 620
Either way, yes you can
Con 8,330
Lab 7,695
UKIP 7,004
Green 1,311
LD 767
In the much honoured PB tradition our (singular) remark was on electoral systems and practice.
Thinking someone is a moron for having religious faith is not to deny them equality. It's to laugh at them whilst acknowledging their right to waste their equal rights on sky fairies and the like
And racism nothing to do with attacks on Rahman as well?
I honestly don't mind jokes at my expense on this thread, just don't treat me like a f*cking idiot.
Outcomes in ascending order of likelihood.
1. UKIP break the mould, and win government or a share in government. They bring in PR, and the LDs are guaranteed 60+ seats pretty much in perpetuity.
2. They do well, perhaps beating the LDs in votes, but win no seats. The bizarre outcome will increase the clamour for PR.
3. They fade but still win a substantial number of votes. Under FPTP, the LDs will hold more of their seats for any given share, the more fragmented the field is. (cf Eastleigh by-election, held on the lowest share of the vote since 1918)
The seat did register UKIP's 5th highest share in 2010, and their highest in a Labour held seat.
You clearly have a very shaky grasp of reality let alone politics if you think a single Conservative supporter can dictate to a coalition government its legislative program. Right once more for you as you seem intent on wilfully misinterpreting what I say. I do not want to depose the mayor of Tower Hamlets and absolutely not on the basis of his ethnicity. There are allegations of serious breaches of the proper conduct of elections which would prima facie call into question the confidence we can have in the outcome of this election. In such circumstances to ensure that we can have confidence in the outcome a rerun of the elections with appropriate steps to prevent repetition of that which is alleged.
It seems to me what you want is some blanket ethnic/racial immunity. Are you seriously suggesting we turn a blind eye to electoral malpractice if the beneficiary isn't white? I'm not certain which is more monstrous the crime or adducing such a moronic potential defence.
Ah so you want the referendum the Prime Minister has promised and is intent on delivering? I assume therefore that next year you will trip to the polling station to gleefully vote Conservative to get that which you so desire.
With due respect for your (singular) professed Roman Catholicism, I shall treat you henceforth as a virgin idiot.
Lab 7,573
Con 7,102
LD 7,087
UKIP 3,024
Valley Inds 2,674
Green 2,367
Con 8,982
Lab 7,957
LD 4,148
Ind 3,207
Green 2,686
UKIP 1,372
Lab 8,748
Con 7,727
UKIP 4,869
LD 1,088
Lab 9,923
LD 8,005
UKIP 1,819
Con 1,251
BNP 446
TUSC 148
UKIP 6,104
Lab 4,716
Con 2,963
LD 2,418
Ind 619
Green 433
TUSC 213
Cleethorpes constituency excluding Barton and Ferry wards in North Lincs:
UKIP 6,528
Con 5,773
Lab 4,452
Ind 513
LD 349
TUSC 279
Green 198
It makes life really awkward for the LDs - if they stay as they are there's this risk, but the risk perhaps gets even worse if they were to contemplate change - and far worse still who would they actually choose as a leader where that person is sure of their seat - there are very few, if any where with the possible loss of the 'not red/blue' tag that they'd be safe.
Cable seems to be not entirely innocent. I wonder if he'll announce he's not standing in 2015 and be shuffled off to the Lords.
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