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Lord Oakeshott resigned today from the Lib Dems following the publication of those polls. He said “I am sure the party is heading for disaster if it keeps Nick Clegg; and I must not get in the way of the many brave Liberal Democrats fighting for change”
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Just like student politics. The more pathetic and irrelevant it gets, the dirtier it gets.0
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Great minds think alike
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 3m
Lord Oakeshott, more Scooby Doo villain than Moriarty, helps Clegg by trying to destroy him http://www.conservativehome.com/leftwatch/2014/05/lord-oakeshott-more-scooby-doo-villain-than-moriarty-helps-clegg-by-trying-to-destroy-him.html …0 -
If Vince was behind the tories in the polls in Twickers before this matter, wonder where he is now.
It can't have done him any favours.
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What odds can I get for lord o to be next spurs manager?0
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Vince will stay, as someone once observed in an inelegant, if perceptive, metaphor of tents and urination.....he was very robust on the Ch4 News on what he knew when - Oakeshott (who he? - ed.) is a busted flush.....0
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The DH curse strikes again. Since Dan announces his intention to vote LD its gone even more tits up than Dave Millibands political career. Please come out as a Tory supporter Dan0
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George Foulkes @GeorgeFoulkes 24m
@LordAshcroft @shanegreer When I saw Vince and Oakeshott plotting together in Peers guest room Simon Hughes was with them!
Lord Foulkes is a Labour Party life peer – (caveat) can he be trusted..?
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CarnyxCarnyx • Posts: 1,332
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As far as I can tell, Inverness Town Hall hasn't got a clock.
So that would be one face, then !!On a point of pedantry -
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He's someone who used to get drunk and hit a police officerSimonStClare said:George Foulkes @GeorgeFoulkes 24m
@LordAshcroft @shanegreer When I saw Vince and Oakeshott plotting together in Peers guest room Simon Hughes was with them!
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Oakshott always struck me as a singularly nasty piece of work, and it says much about Cable's supposed saintliness that the bloke was his bovver boy of choice. As for Clegg, I feel his career has being rejuvenated already. The forlorn, tearful-teenager act will have endeared him to many a loving mum; and now the kids will empathize with the stricken idealist assailed by a pair of bitter old codgers. Expect a rise in Lib Dem polling.0
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Ch4 FactCheck on Eckonomics:
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-independent-scotland-worse/18335
The only outright 'Fiction' is Eck's:
“This leaves the Treasury claims about Scotland’s finances without a shred of credibility.”
No. The UK government paper mentions the Dunleavy research, but does not rely on it. It puts the cost of setting up a new independent state at £1.5bn, at the high end of an estimate produced by Canadian academic Robert Young.
Even if that number proved to be much too high, it wouldn’t put much of a dent in the £1,400. Professor Dunleavy’s comments are embarrassing for the Treasury, but they don’t undermine the whole analysis.
And the conclusion:
But spending is higher, and the challenges of an ageing population, the uncertainty over currency and a probable long-term decline in oil receipts are all real concerns......
This is why so many independent economists are significantly more pessimistic than the Scottish government’s rose-tinted view of things.
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BREAKING: Malcolm Glazer, owner of both Manchester United and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, dies at 85, the Bucs announce.0 -
British politics is all the better for the loss of Lord Oakeshott.0
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Manchester United's owner, Malcolm Glazer has died.0
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You cut out the bits you didn't like - in fact the conclusion is rather more neutral than you imply.CarlottaVance said:Ch4 FactCheck on Eckonomics:
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-independent-scotland-worse/18335
The only outright 'Fiction' is Eck's:
“This leaves the Treasury claims about Scotland’s finances without a shred of credibility.”
No. The UK government paper mentions the Dunleavy research, but does not rely on it. It puts the cost of setting up a new independent state at £1.5bn, at the high end of an estimate produced by Canadian academic Robert Young.
Even if that number proved to be much too high, it wouldn’t put much of a dent in the £1,400. Professor Dunleavy’s comments are embarrassing for the Treasury, but they don’t undermine the whole analysis.
And the conclusion:
But spending is higher, and the challenges of an ageing population, the uncertainty over currency and a probable long-term decline in oil receipts are all real concerns......
This is why so many independent economists are significantly more pessimistic than the Scottish government’s rose-tinted view of things.
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Respect ; ) - BTW, was that Bonnie Tyler hidden in your thread ?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's someone who used to get drunk and hit a police officerSimonStClare said:George Foulkes @GeorgeFoulkes 24m
@LordAshcroft @shanegreer When I saw Vince and Oakeshott plotting together in Peers guest room Simon Hughes was with them!
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@Monksfield FPT
Your comments about vibrant ecosystems and sustainable development being at the heart of countryside management are frankly risible to anyone with a real understanding of the environmental holocaust our countryside has suffered since the war. It's the arrogance of those that think the only people who know and understand the countryside are farmers and land managers that is the real arrogance here.
FWIW, we've farmed the same land for about 300 years (apart from the bit we gave to the National Trust). We've got quite a reputation for the effort we've put into developing the landscape during the period - and only now is the true vision being fulfilled.
So, with the exception of a slightly unhealthy obsession with trees, I'd say we have a very good understanding of what goes on in the countryside. And I'm not a fan of agribusinesses as a rule.0 -
*Innocent Face*SimonStClare said:
Respect ; ) - BTW, was that Bonnie Tyler hidden in your thread ?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's someone who used to get drunk and hit a police officerSimonStClare said:George Foulkes @GeorgeFoulkes 24m
@LordAshcroft @shanegreer When I saw Vince and Oakeshott plotting together in Peers guest room Simon Hughes was with them!
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So.... I get back from a short break to Malta.. ABSOLUTELY FASTINATING , if you are interested in the history of the Island, esp WW2.. and I come back to read about the Local election result in Ed Miliband's home constituency(LOL)
The locals in Malta were fairly highly charged about the EURO elections, but they are a major net cash receiver and everywhere you go there are building works that state "part funded by the European Union" I think its about 85%. No wonder the locals love the gravy train and we over here don't like the money leaking abroad..
Finally...
Gatwick is bidding for a second runway, They certainly should not get it since they seem unable to manage the single one they currently operate... WTF is waiting 15 mins to even et off the plane and 40 mins plus waiting to know what number your luggage carousel is... that's before any luggage materialises... worse than useless.... and at a time when there's little traffic about.
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If there is an increase in L/Dem polling, it will be a minor blip quickly subsiding. Clegg is now known as loser and a bad loser at that; a whiner and and a man of no honour. Even in these honourless times, honour and principle still stand for something; something that UKIP will be stressing all the way to the GE.Stark_Dawning said:Oakshott always struck me as a singularly nasty piece of work, and it says much about Cable's supposed saintliness that the bloke was his bovver boy of choice. As for Clegg, I feel his career has being rejuvenated already. The forlorn, tearful-teenager act will have endeared him to many a loving mum; and now the kids will empathize with the stricken idealist assailed by a pair of bitter old codgers. Expect a rise in Lib Dem polling.
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Post a 'Fiction' from the 'No' side......Carnyx said:
You cut out the bits you didn't like - in fact the conclusion is rather more neutral than you imply.CarlottaVance said:Ch4 FactCheck on Eckonomics:
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-independent-scotland-worse/18335
The only outright 'Fiction' is Eck's:
“This leaves the Treasury claims about Scotland’s finances without a shred of credibility.”
No. The UK government paper mentions the Dunleavy research, but does not rely on it. It puts the cost of setting up a new independent state at £1.5bn, at the high end of an estimate produced by Canadian academic Robert Young.
Even if that number proved to be much too high, it wouldn’t put much of a dent in the £1,400. Professor Dunleavy’s comments are embarrassing for the Treasury, but they don’t undermine the whole analysis.
And the conclusion:
But spending is higher, and the challenges of an ageing population, the uncertainty over currency and a probable long-term decline in oil receipts are all real concerns......
This is why so many independent economists are significantly more pessimistic than the Scottish government’s rose-tinted view of things.
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On I don't know - anyone who kept Fable doddering along at the front of the LDs has done the country a favour - look what you could have won..MarqueeMark said:British politics is all the better for the loss of Lord Oakeshott.
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Mr. Root, I believe the Knights of St. John relocated to Malta after their departure from Rhodes after a negotiated settlement with the Turks.
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/knights-of-st-john.html0 -
something that UKIP will be stressing all the way to the GE.
As UKIP helps these eurpphile lib dems stay in office by splitting the opposition vote in their constituencies?
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In my case, back to Luton from Serbia. A much more recent war to discuss, but at Luton landed 19.55 in the car park 20.14. That is not bad, although it was only hand luggage.SquareRoot said:So.... I get back from a short break to Malta.. ABSOLUTELY FASTINATING , if you are interested in the history of the Island, esp WW2.. and I come back to read about the Local election result in Ed Miliband's home constituency(LOL)
The locals in Malta were fairly highly charged about the EURO elections, but they are a major net cash receiver and everywhere you go there are building works that state "part funded by the European Union" I think its about 85%. No wonder the locals love the gravy train and we over here don't like the money leaking abroad..
Finally...
Gatwick is bidding for a second runway, They certainly should not get it since they seem unable to manage the single one they currently operate... WTF is waiting 15 mins to even et off the plane and 40 mins plus waiting to know what number your luggage carousel is... that's before any luggage materialises... worse than useless.... and at a time when there's little traffic about.0 -
>On a point of pedantry -
>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Inverness_clock_tower.JPG
On a point of Geography, *that* clock is not on the Town Hall.
It is at least 20m down the road on the other side.
;-)
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No ....GIN1138 said:
You going to point your ARSE towards Newark soon?JackW said:Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Prediction Countdown :
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Frankly the poor thing is in a state of shock after the past few days internals and requires a well overdue rest after tomorrows publication and next weeks first outing of the "JackW Dozen"
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Equestrian cement! Equestrian cement! You're in my telescope...0
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IFS analysis of Eckonomics:
http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7221
There is broad agreement over two key facts. Public spending per capita is significantly higher in Scotland than in the UK as a whole. At the same time onshore tax revenues per capita are similar – in fact a little lower in Scotland.
The main point of disagreement is the different forecasts for revenues from North Sea oil and gas used. Our figures and the Treasury’s figures are based on the Office for Budget Responsibility’s projections. The Scottish Government report instead uses their own – higher – forecasts for North Sea revenues.0 -
Cameron moving to isolate UKIP in the EU
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/28/Tories-woo-EU-hard-right-and-anti-Muslim-parties-to-block-UKIP
EDIT: Nige is going to team up with Grillo instead
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/28/Farage-and-Italy-s-Beppe-Grillo-may-defeat-Cameron-s-plans0 -
That Lab party political targeted at Clegg was a bit of a direct hit after all.
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I think you are right, but I was looking at WW2 specifically. Some magnificent churches , but ALL bar one that we looked at were locked. V disappointing.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Root, I believe the Knights of St. John relocated to Malta after their departure from Rhodes after a negotiated settlement with the Turks.
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/knights-of-st-john.html0 -
There is an ongoing debate about to begin amongst the party activists up and down the country.Knowing L/Ds and their belief in the freedom of information much of this debate will be public debate.If this piece from someone who is regarded in their party is anything to go by,Clegg remains at risk.
Hold all bets.
http://stephentall.org/2014/05/28/why-i-am-one-of-the-39-of-lib-dem-members-who-thinks-nick-clegg-should-stand-down-as-leader/
As for Cable.He has proved himself worse than useless, which will either mean he will be elected as leader or,as he should,be put out to grass to while away his remaining years.0 -
philiph said:
In my case, back to Luton from Serbia. A much more recent war to discuss, but at Luton landed 19.55 in the car park 20.14. That is not bad, although it was only hand luggage.SquareRoot said:So.... I get back from a short break to Malta.. ABSOLUTELY FASTINATING , if you are interested in the history of the Island, esp WW2.. and I come back to read about the Local election result in Ed Miliband's home constituency(LOL)
The locals in Malta were fairly highly charged about the EURO elections, but they are a major net cash receiver and everywhere you go there are building works that state "part funded by the European Union" I think its about 85%. No wonder the locals love the gravy train and we over here don't like the money leaking abroad..
Finally...
Gatwick is bidding for a second runway, They certainly should not get it since they seem unable to manage the single one they currently operate... WTF is waiting 15 mins to even et off the plane and 40 mins plus waiting to know what number your luggage carousel is... that's before any luggage materialises... worse than useless.... and at a time when there's little traffic about.
We landed at 1.05am but didn't get back to the car till gone 2.30 am..
One thing to note, if you of a certain age.. late night and early morning flights are OUT.. Pay up for the comfort.0 -
A spectacular cluster fuck by Oakshott. Do private polls yes, share the info with your preferred leader yes, leak then to the press maybe if no one is taking any notice.
Then resign? Why? Either he has a valid point and he's leading the internal fight to replace Clegg or he's on a vendetta and will walk when pushed. I guess we know now. Isn't the problem who has commissioned the polls? Oakshott isn't exactly someone popular in the LibDem grass roots.....0 -
Mr. Root, that's a shame. I really rather like proper old churches. York Minster is a fantastic building.0
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On an individual level I feel a bit sorry for their urban foot-sloggers who spent 30 years of hard graft slowly sneaking up on Lab to see it all thrown away just like that.SeanT said:Couldn't have happened to a nastier party.
Does anyone actually like the Lib Dems? Anyone? What is the f*cking point in the Lib Dems? Bleating bunch of europhile liars and traitors. From Andrew "I hate the English" Duff to Nick "watch as I weep for my career" Clegg, they are the scum of the political bathtub.
Die, Lib Dems, DIE.
HAHAHAHA.
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Hyperbole is rarely effective. It might be possible to gain some traction with the idea that the LDs have, for whatever reason, display more of the negative political behaviours than other parties. But whinging even in humourously absurd fashion about how they have no point and are inherently terrible people is just lazy. It's as lazy as screaming 'UKIP are all racist loonies', 'Tories are all toffs who despise the poor' and 'Labour just want to spend all your money on muslim immigrants on welfare'. It is exactly the same.SeanT said:Couldn't have happened to a nastier party.
Does anyone actually like the Lib Dems? Anyone? What is the f*cking point in the Lib Dems? Bleating bunch of europhile liars and traitors. From Andrew "I hate the English" Duff to Nick "watch as I weep for my career" Clegg, they are the scum of the political bathtub.
Die, Lib Dems, DIE.
HAHAHAHA.
No, stop, there is no difference. People either pretend there is for humour or tribal political advantage, or they believe it and are idiots.
But if you want a basic point, the LDs could well be there for people who don't want to play into the absurd two party system Labour and the Tories wish we had. The LDs are not the option of choice among those people anymore, UKIP is and well done them, but they still are for a minority, and that's as valid a reason for them to be around as any other party, given the lack of ideological basis for the parties thesedays.0 -
Manchester United Owner Malcolm Glazer Dies
http://news.sky.com/story/1270908/manchester-united-owner-malcolm-glazer-dies
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Only after being battered senseless by the Ottomans.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Root, I believe the Knights of St. John relocated to Malta after their departure from Rhodes after a negotiated settlement with the Turks.
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/knights-of-st-john.html
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I think Oakshott was a bit too blatent. I think we will see him in the red corner soon, possibly like other defections this was stage managed in advance. After all, on what issues does Oakshott differ from Ed Miliband.
Leaving with the maximum damage to the LibDems may have been the plan all along, perhaps even with the hope of Cable following.RochdalePioneers said:A spectacular cluster fuck by Oakshott. Do private polls yes, share the info with your preferred leader yes, leak then to the press maybe if no one is taking any notice.
Then resign? Why? Either he has a valid point and he's leading the internal fight to replace Clegg or he's on a vendetta and will walk when pushed. I guess we know now. Isn't the problem who has commissioned the polls? Oakshott isn't exactly someone popular in the LibDem grass roots.....0 -
That is dire from Gatwick and no fun.SquareRoot said:philiph said:
In my case, back to Luton from Serbia. A much more recent war to discuss, but at Luton landed 19.55 in the car park 20.14. That is not bad, although it was only hand luggage.SquareRoot said:So.... I get back from a short break to Malta.. ABSOLUTELY FASTINATING , if you are interested in the history of the Island, esp WW2.. and I come back to read about the Local election result in Ed Miliband's home constituency(LOL)
The locals in Malta were fairly highly charged about the EURO elections, but they are a major net cash receiver and everywhere you go there are building works that state "part funded by the European Union" I think its about 85%. No wonder the locals love the gravy train and we over here don't like the money leaking abroad..
Finally...
Gatwick is bidding for a second runway, They certainly should not get it since they seem unable to manage the single one they currently operate... WTF is waiting 15 mins to even et off the plane and 40 mins plus waiting to know what number your luggage carousel is... that's before any luggage materialises... worse than useless.... and at a time when there's little traffic about.
We landed at 1.05am but didn't get back to the car till gone 2.30 am..
One thing to note, if you of a certain age.. late night and early morning flights are OUT.. Pay up for the comfort.0 -
Short break in Malta, late May screams hand luggage only to me. Even if it means wearing all your clothes at once for the flight.SquareRoot said:philiph said:
In my case, back to Luton from Serbia. A much more recent war to discuss, but at Luton landed 19.55 in the car park 20.14. That is not bad, although it was only hand luggage.SquareRoot said:So.... I get back from a short break to Malta.. ABSOLUTELY FASTINATING , if you are interested in the history of the Island, esp WW2.. and I come back to read about the Local election result in Ed Miliband's home constituency(LOL)
The locals in Malta were fairly highly charged about the EURO elections, but they are a major net cash receiver and everywhere you go there are building works that state "part funded by the European Union" I think its about 85%. No wonder the locals love the gravy train and we over here don't like the money leaking abroad..
Finally...
Gatwick is bidding for a second runway, They certainly should not get it since they seem unable to manage the single one they currently operate... WTF is waiting 15 mins to even et off the plane and 40 mins plus waiting to know what number your luggage carousel is... that's before any luggage materialises... worse than useless.... and at a time when there's little traffic about.
We landed at 1.05am but didn't get back to the car till gone 2.30 am..
One thing to note, if you of a certain age.. late night and early morning flights are OUT.. Pay up for the comfort.
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I trust you got to the Valletta War Rooms and the air raid shelters in Mellieha.SquareRoot said:
I think you are right, but I was looking at WW2 specifically. Some magnificent churches , but ALL bar one that we looked at were locked. V disappointing.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Root, I believe the Knights of St. John relocated to Malta after their departure from Rhodes after a negotiated settlement with the Turks.
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/knights-of-st-john.html
For the history of the place, Knights, St Paul, WW2, etc. I'd recommend The Kappillan of Malta (set during WW2) by Nicholas Monsarrat, who retired to Gozo.0 -
Mr. K, shade unfair. The Knights of St John saw them off in 1480, and in 1522 gave a very good account of themselves when outnumbered more than ten to one.0
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The whole parliamentary grouping system seems like a massive stitch-up to direct our taxes to federalist parties. Why the hell should the EPP get British taxpayer's money? It's appalling. I sometimes wish the EU was funded through a specific tax just so I could refuse to pay it.isam said:Cameron moving to isolate UKIP in the EU
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/28/Tories-woo-EU-hard-right-and-anti-Muslim-parties-to-block-UKIP
EDIT: Nige is going to team up with Grillo instead
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/28/Farage-and-Italy-s-Beppe-Grillo-may-defeat-Cameron-s-plans0 -
For hand luggage only may I recommend the Stuffa Jacket:
http://www.stuffa.co.uk/en/
If only to annoy the Ryanair staff!Ishmael_X said:
Short break in Malta, late May screams hand luggage only to me. Even if it means wearing all your clothes at once for the flight.SquareRoot said:philiph said:
In my case, back to Luton from Serbia. A much more recent war to discuss, but at Luton landed 19.55 in the car park 20.14. That is not bad, although it was only hand luggage.SquareRoot said:So.... I get back from a short break to Malta.. ABSOLUTELY FASTINATING , if you are interested in the history of the Island, esp WW2.. and I come back to read about the Local election result in Ed Miliband's home constituency(LOL)
The locals in Malta were fairly highly charged about the EURO elections, but they are a major net cash receiver and everywhere you go there are building works that state "part funded by the European Union" I think its about 85%. No wonder the locals love the gravy train and we over here don't like the money leaking abroad..
Finally...
Gatwick is bidding for a second runway, They certainly should not get it since they seem unable to manage the single one they currently operate... WTF is waiting 15 mins to even et off the plane and 40 mins plus waiting to know what number your luggage carousel is... that's before any luggage materialises... worse than useless.... and at a time when there's little traffic about.
We landed at 1.05am but didn't get back to the car till gone 2.30 am..
One thing to note, if you of a certain age.. late night and early morning flights are OUT.. Pay up for the comfort.0 -
Not really followed or tipped on tennis for quite a while, but Serena Williams has been knocked out of the French Open at a rather early stage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/27605850
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I live around 15 minutes from Luton Airport.philiph said:
In my case, back to Luton from Serbia. A much more recent war to discuss, but at Luton landed 19.55 in the car park 20.14. That is not bad, although it was only hand luggage.SquareRoot said:So.... I get back from a short break to Malta.. ABSOLUTELY FASTINATING , if you are interested in the history of the Island, esp WW2.. and I come back to read about the Local election result in Ed Miliband's home constituency(LOL)
The locals in Malta were fairly highly charged about the EURO elections, but they are a major net cash receiver and everywhere you go there are building works that state "part funded by the European Union" I think its about 85%. No wonder the locals love the gravy train and we over here don't like the money leaking abroad..
Finally...
Gatwick is bidding for a second runway, They certainly should not get it since they seem unable to manage the single one they currently operate... WTF is waiting 15 mins to even et off the plane and 40 mins plus waiting to know what number your luggage carousel is... that's before any luggage materialises... worse than useless.... and at a time when there's little traffic about.
On a few occasions with only hand luggage and the chauffeur pick-up I've been home within a smidge of 30 minutes of landing.
Heathrow and a decent run on the M25/M1 can take under an hour after 11pm and before 6am.
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Mr. Socrates, I wholly disagree on the tax point!
I agree, however, that the grouping system seems designed to assist the federalists.0 -
The LibDems were the alternative to the duopoly. Back in the Charles Kennedy era I rememberkle4 said:
But if you want a basic point, the LDs could well be there for people who don't want to play into the absurd two party system Labour and the Tories wish we had. The LDs are not the option of choice among those people anymore, UKIP is and well done them, but they still are for a minority, and that's as valid a reason for them to be around as any other party, given the lack of ideological basis for the parties thesedays.SeanT said:Couldn't have happened to a nastier party.
Does anyone actually like the Lib Dems? Anyone? What is the f*cking point in the Lib Dems? Bleating bunch of europhile liars and traitors. From Andrew "I hate the English" Duff to Nick "watch as I weep for my career" Clegg, they are the scum of the political bathtub.
Die, Lib Dems, DIE.
HAHAHAHA.
Labour and Tories both committed to ear in Iraq with Kennedy leading a principles and concienced stand against.
Problem is that this is in the past. Clegg is the establishment leading an establishment party with establishment policies. As is Cameron. As was Blair. You could take most of the ministerial teams of those three men and stick them in one party and they'd all be quite happy. Identikit politicians with identical policies. UKIP have become the new alternative even though Farage is also establishment.
LibDems look back at this recent past and wonder what went wrong. And its a simple answer. Nick Clegg. You got bought, co-opted and enslaved. He has to go.
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Back where he started then.....Ed Miliband's Labour Party of the mid tens is clearly back where it was in the mid-seventies, when Oakeshott was a Labour Councillor in Oxford and PPC in Horsham & Crawley.........foxinsoxuk said:
I think Oakshott was a bit too blatent. I think we will see him in the red corner soon, possibly like other defections this was stage managed in advance. After all, on what issues does Oakshott differ from Ed Miliband.
RochdalePioneers said:A spectacular cluster fuck by Oakshott. Do private polls yes, share the info with your preferred leader yes, leak then to the press maybe if no one is taking any notice.
Then resign? Why? Either he has a valid point and he's leading the internal fight to replace Clegg or he's on a vendetta and will walk when pushed. I guess we know now. Isn't the problem who has commissioned the polls? Oakshott isn't exactly someone popular in the LibDem grass roots.....0 -
There's no need to get nasty, I like your writing, which as it is that of a professional is far superior to mine, so why are you getting so touchy about it?SeanT said:
WTF are you talking about, you dribbling buffoon?kle4 said:
Hyperbole is rarely effective. It might be possible to gain some traction with the idea that the LDs have, for whatever reason, display more of the negative political behaviours than other parties. But whinging even in humourously absurd fashion about how they have no point and are inherently terrible people is just lazy. It's as lazy as screaming 'UKIP are all racist loonies', 'Tories are all toffs who despise the poor' and 'Labour just want to spend all your money on muslim immigrants on welfare'. It is exactly the same.SeanT said:Couldn't have happened to a nastier party.
Does anyone actually like the Lib Dems? Anyone? What is the f*cking point in the Lib Dems? Bleating bunch of europhile liars and traitors. From Andrew "I hate the English" Duff to Nick "watch as I weep for my career" Clegg, they are the scum of the political bathtub.
Die, Lib Dems, DIE.
HAHAHAHA.
No, stop, there is no difference. People either pretend there is for humour or tribal political advantage, or they believe it and are idiots.
But if you want a basic point, the LDs could well be there for people who don't want to play into the absurd two party system Labour and the Tories wish we had. The LDs are not the option of choice among those people anymore, UKIP is and well done them, but they still are for a minority, and that's as valid a reason for them to be around as any other party, given the lack of ideological basis for the parties thesedays.
I get PAID to write hyperbole, and I get THREE THOUSAND SHARES a blog. I wrote arguably the most influential blog on the entire European election, by being HYPERBOLIC.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100271887/our-political-masters-are-horrified-by-ukip-trouble-is-the-voters-arent/
You do not get paid to write your tedious screeds, and no one cares about them, anyway.
Shall we stop the argument there?
For f*cks sake, calm down. It is the very fact that I enjoy your writings that the laziness of your post struck me, because it wasn't even entertaining (you might disagree, and so might the majority for all I know, but I am allowed to have an opinion am I not, your majesty?).
Are you honestly saying that you spewing 'I hate the LDs, they really turrible, die die die, my gods I have an erection at the thought' is comparable to your paid work as you give examples of? Unless your best work is free (possible, but unlikely I would venture), I doubt that is so, and why should it be? No need to break out the good stuff to weirdos on a political blog, but apparently that means no-one can call your sh*t 'sh*t', but must call it gold.
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Good to see SeanT dishing out some pro bono insults. I feared we might have to pay him for the privilege these days....0
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Mr. Pioneers, bought, co-opted and enslaved?
He won a leadership election. He led the party to government for the first time (in its current form).
I'm not a Clegg fan, and especially loathe his attitude towards those who commit heresy against the all-powerful EU, but he's not the devil incarnate.0 -
Yeah, maybe it's just the scale of what they threw away that gets me.SeanT said:
I feel no pity for them whatsoever. The individual party members are oddballs and nerds, however occasionally likeable, their leaders are exceptionally unpleasant careerists, or wildly hypocritical narcissists, or just basic fools, dolts or criminal perverts.MrJones said:
On an individual level I feel a bit sorry for their urban foot-sloggers who spent 30 years of hard graft slowly sneaking up on Lab to see it all thrown away just like that.SeanT said:Couldn't have happened to a nastier party.
Does anyone actually like the Lib Dems? Anyone? What is the f*cking point in the Lib Dems? Bleating bunch of europhile liars and traitors. From Andrew "I hate the English" Duff to Nick "watch as I weep for my career" Clegg, they are the scum of the political bathtub.
Die, Lib Dems, DIE.
HAHAHAHA.
I mean this sincerely. The higher you go up the Lib Dem hierarchy, the creepier they get. And I find ALL politicians creepy, so it takes something for one party to stand out.
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That is absolutely hilarious. So Cameron ends up allied with the parties he has always said he would not deal with in the EU whilst Farage is allied with a far larger populist party .isam said:Cameron moving to isolate UKIP in the EU
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/28/Tories-woo-EU-hard-right-and-anti-Muslim-parties-to-block-UKIP
EDIT: Nige is going to team up with Grillo instead
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/28/Farage-and-Italy-s-Beppe-Grillo-may-defeat-Cameron-s-plans
That is on a par with Bond's idiotic attempts to try and sabotage UKIP by voting for BNP-lite.0 -
likewise I'm 15 to 20 minutes away from Luton, so home 35 or 40 minutes after landing. Heathrow, that is 45 minutes drive when quiet or just over an hour and a half on most trips.JackW said:
I live around 15 minutes from Luton Airport.philiph said:
In my case, back to Luton from Serbia. A much more recent war to discuss, but at Luton landed 19.55 in the car park 20.14. That is not bad, although it was only hand luggage.SquareRoot said:So.... I get back from a short break to Malta.. ABSOLUTELY FASTINATING , if you are interested in the history of the Island, esp WW2.. and I come back to read about the Local election result in Ed Miliband's home constituency(LOL)
The locals in Malta were fairly highly charged about the EURO elections, but they are a major net cash receiver and everywhere you go there are building works that state "part funded by the European Union" I think its about 85%. No wonder the locals love the gravy train and we over here don't like the money leaking abroad..
Finally...
Gatwick is bidding for a second runway, They certainly should not get it since they seem unable to manage the single one they currently operate... WTF is waiting 15 mins to even et off the plane and 40 mins plus waiting to know what number your luggage carousel is... that's before any luggage materialises... worse than useless.... and at a time when there's little traffic about.
On a few occasions with only hand luggage and the chauffeur pick-up I've been home within a smidge of 30 minutes of landing.
Heathrow and a decent run on the M25/M1 can take under an hour after 11pm and before 6am.0 -
Problem was that the LDs current back room Leader, Ashdown, actuallly supported IRAQ.RochdalePioneers said:
The LibDems were the alternative to the duopoly. Back in the Charles Kennedy era I rememberkle4 said:
But if you want a basic point, the LDs could well be there for people who don't want to play into the absurd two party system Labour and the Tories wish we had. The LDs are not the option of choice among those people anymore, UKIP is and well done them, but they still are for a minority, and that's as valid a reason for them to be around as any other party, given the lack of ideological basis for the parties thesedays.SeanT said:Couldn't have happened to a nastier party.
Does anyone actually like the Lib Dems? Anyone? What is the f*cking point in the Lib Dems? Bleating bunch of europhile liars and traitors. From Andrew "I hate the English" Duff to Nick "watch as I weep for my career" Clegg, they are the scum of the political bathtub.
Die, Lib Dems, DIE.
HAHAHAHA.
Labour and Tories both committed to ear in Iraq with Kennedy leading a principles and concienced stand against....
"I wrote Blair a private letter a week before the invasion and said "I think you're right". With the benefit of hindsight that looks like a mistake. The war was not the problem. I personally think the war was probably justified - still." http://www.totalpolitics.com/print/1818/in-conversation-with-paddy-ashdown.thtml
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JackW, you are Chris Huhne and I claim your 3 penalty points.....JackW said:
I live around 15 minutes from Luton Airport.
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I see you quote a tweet from Dan Hodges saying Cable will have to resign. Well Hodges has never been right about anything, he is the worst journalist in GB with a large chip on his shoulder0
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No, the chauffeur gets the points.MarqueeMark said:
JackW, you are Chris Huhne and I claim your 3 penalty points.....JackW said:
I live around 15 minutes from Luton Airport.0 -
@isam
The Huffington Post making itself look silly, referencing that quote as Blair "destroying" UKIP. Here is what he said:
"This is the year 2005, not 1945. We're not fighting each other anymore."
Of course we're not fighting each other. That doesn't mean we need to politically integrate with each other or pay for poorer countries' sewer systems.
"These are our partners, our colleagues and our future lies in Europe."
An absurdly circular argument. "Our future is in Europe because these are our EU partners. We should be in Europe because our future is in Europe." It's a completely meaningless statement.
"We get Europe that's unified after years of dictatorship."
Europe is not unified, and the only way it would happen is with another dictatorship.
"we get economic development in countries we have championed. "
Thanks to market democracy, not thanks to the EU. Otherwise, how have Canada, Australia, Switzerland and Norway done so well?
"We get a future reform that allows once and for all to put an end to discussion about rebates, Common Agricultural Policy and get a proper reform budget for Europe."
Hahahaha. Why on Earth would the europhile HuffPo include this in there? This was the budget where Blair sold out our rebate for empty promises on the CAP that never came through. It shows how Blair's dreams of reform turned out to be the misguided loss of money that Farage said at the time.0 -
and VenusMorris_Dancer said:Not really followed or tipped on tennis for quite a while, but Serena Williams has been knocked out of the French Open at a rather early stage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/27605850
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If we are to take your view that the writings on politics of someone not PAID to write about it is meaningless compared to someone who is PAID to write about politics, then by extention would that not mean that the view of someone who is not a politician commenting on politics, such as yourself, is meaningless compared to someone who is a politician commenting on politics?SeanT said:
I feel no pity for them whatsoever. The individual party members are oddballs and nerds, however occasionally likeable, their leaders are exceptionally unpleasant careerists, or wildly hypocritical narcissists, or just basic fools, dolts or criminal perverts.MrJones said:
On an individual level I feel a bit sorry for their urban foot-sloggers who spent 30 years of hard graft slowly sneaking up on Lab to see it all thrown away just like that.SeanT said:Couldn't have happened to a nastier party.
Does anyone actually like the Lib Dems? Anyone? What is the f*cking point in the Lib Dems? Bleating bunch of europhile liars and traitors. From Andrew "I hate the English" Duff to Nick "watch as I weep for my career" Clegg, they are the scum of the political bathtub.
Die, Lib Dems, DIE.
HAHAHAHA.
I mean this sincerely. The higher you go up the Lib Dem hierarchy, the creepier they get. And I find ALL politicians creepy, so it takes something for one party to stand out.
You are not PAID to be a politician, so clearly your views on their creep factor is meaningless when compared to someone who is PAID to be a politician. Fortuantely I imagine many might agree they as a group are often creepy, so I guess you being PAID or not PAID does not matter in this instance.
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I think you will find that was the whole point of TSE including the tweet. Anyone who 'must resign' according to Hodges is bound to be safe.wumper said:I see you quote a tweet from Dan Hodges saying Cable will have to resign. Well Hodges has never been right about anything, he is the worst journalist in GB with a large chip on his shoulder
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"The conclusion I come to is that someone, or maybe a group of people, are trying to create the environment that will make it even more difficult for the current leadership to carry on"
"If so Clegg would appear to have an organised and well-funded rebellion on his hands"
- Mike Smithson, May 27th 2014
A day is a long time in politics.
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The Nigerian keepers just thrown the ball into his own net in that Scotland match that was rumoured to be fixed
Man Utd FC @ManUtdFC_Fan 30m
Did this really just happen in the game that is being investigated for match fixing?? #scotlandnigeria https://vine.co/v/MdJ2YX32P2U
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The only way I would want to live within 15 minutes of Luton is if the chauffeur picked me up in Thrust 2.....philiph said:
No, the chauffeur gets the points.MarqueeMark said:
JackW, you are Chris Huhne and I claim your 3 penalty points.....JackW said:
I live around 15 minutes from Luton Airport.0 -
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The climate was not right for the masses to be perceptive to Farage's message at the time, whereas it certainly is now. That might confuse people into thinking Blair was adept at fighting off the UKIP threat and would be now, when it seems more that UKIP simply was not ready to be as much of a threat to fight off at the time.Socrates said:@isam
The Huffington Post making itself look silly, referencing that quote as Blair "destroying" UKIP. Here is what he said:
"This is the year 2005, not 1945. We're not fighting each other anymore."
Of course we're not fighting each other. That doesn't mean we need to politically integrate with each other or pay for poorer countries' sewer systems.
"These are our partners, our colleagues and our future lies in Europe."
An absurdly circular argument. "Our future is in Europe because these are our EU partners. We should be in Europe because our future is in Europe." It's a completely meaningless statement.
"We get Europe that's unified after years of dictatorship."
Europe is not unified, and the only way it would happen is with another dictatorship.
"we get economic development in countries we have championed. "
Thanks to market democracy, not thanks to the EU. Otherwise, how have Canada, Australia, Switzerland and Norway done so well?
"We get a future reform that allows once and for all to put an end to discussion about rebates, Common Agricultural Policy and get a proper reform budget for Europe."
Hahahaha. Why on Earth would the europhile HuffPo include this in there? This was the budget where Blair sold out our rebate for empty promises on the CAP that never came through. It shows how Blair's dreams of reform turned out to be the misguided loss of money that Farage said at the time.
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You have got to be kidding me!!!!!. That is incredible. He practically threw the ball into his own net.isam said:The Nigerian keepers just thrown the ball into his own net in that Scotland match that was rumoured to be fixed
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Mr. Isam, indeed, but I don't think Venus getting knocked out is quite such a surprise.0
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Unreal!Richard_Tyndall said:
You have got to be kidding me!!!!!. That is incredible. He practically threw the ball into his own net.isam said:The Nigerian keepers just thrown the ball into his own net in that Scotland match that was rumoured to be fixed
Man Utd FC @ManUtdFC_Fan 30m
Did this really just happen in the game that is being investigated for match fixing?? #scotlandnigeria https://vine.co/v/MdJ2YX32P2U
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jeebusisam said:The Nigerian keepers just thrown the ball into his own net in that Scotland match that was rumoured to be fixed
Man Utd FC @ManUtdFC_Fan 30m
Did this really just happen in the game that is being investigated for match fixing?? #scotlandnigeria https://vine.co/v/MdJ2YX32P2U0 -
We definitely need an internationally recognised symbol for sarcasm.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think you will find that was the whole point of TSE including the tweet. Anyone who 'must resign' according to Hodges is bound to be safe.wumper said:I see you quote a tweet from Dan Hodges saying Cable will have to resign. Well Hodges has never been right about anything, he is the worst journalist in GB with a large chip on his shoulder
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Worst keeper since David James.isam said:
Unreal!Richard_Tyndall said:
You have got to be kidding me!!!!!. That is incredible. He practically threw the ball into his own net.isam said:The Nigerian keepers just thrown the ball into his own net in that Scotland match that was rumoured to be fixed
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Richard_Tyndall said:
You have got to be kidding me!!!!!. That is incredible. He practically threw the ball into his own net.isam said:The Nigerian keepers just thrown the ball into his own net in that Scotland match that was rumoured to be fixed
Man Utd FC @ManUtdFC_Fan 30m
Did this really just happen in the game that is being investigated for match fixing?? #scotlandnigeria https://vine.co/v/MdJ2YX32P2U
Maybe Oakeshott had given him tips on goalkeeping?
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Boring. Parity or crossover produces excitement at least. Or big UKIP rises of course. Oh well, waiting for the next signature event that might affect the general trend.TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics 41s
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Am I allowed to say that Mr SeanT, sir? I know your intent was to annoy me, because it is fun to know mere word were able to enrage another person so, and so would love to pretend I was not, but as I do still enjoy politics, it is clear I must run everything by a professional first if I am to venture an opinion. Ah I know, I will accuse someone of impotence or something and PUT THINGS in all caps while boasting about my bank balance (admittedly that part will require embellishment)
Enjoy your victory ('can't take a joke/insult', 'pathetic' 'look how successful I am' pick whatever dismissive phrasing you like, though I am sure you can come up with better)0 -
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Bought. LibDems abruptly launch the Orange Book - propagating policies in direct contravention of their previous positions. Which just so happen to benefit the establishment.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pioneers, bought, co-opted and enslaved?
He won a leadership election. He led the party to government for the first time (in its current form).
I'm not a Clegg fan, and especially loathe his attitude towards those who commit heresy against the all-powerful EU, but he's not the devil incarnate.
Co-opted. With Blair having done so well for Labour (by converting them to establishment policies) and Cameron leading the Tories, the LibDems vote in their clone.
Enslaved. Clegg wins the election and promptly tears up not only their policies that was the basis of their election but agrees to support literally anything they re asked to support. The deal is they'll claim to make the Tories less worse than they would have been (is yes we know we just shot you three times so you died, but the Tories wanted to shoot you a 4th time and we saved you). LibDems promptly lose 30-40% of contested council seats in 2011. And 2012. And 2013. And 2014. And 91% of their MEPs. Still they remaining LibDems cling to the means of their destruction.
Are you sure he isn't the devil? He's sure killed the LibDems. And he isn't even one of them.
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Funny how nobody said that when Alexander was 1/2 FAV.0 -
To be fair it looks like that was disallowed as Nigeria made it 1-1TheScreamingEagles said:
Worst keeper since David James.isam said:
Unreal!Richard_Tyndall said:
You have got to be kidding me!!!!!. That is incredible. He practically threw the ball into his own net.isam said:The Nigerian keepers just thrown the ball into his own net in that Scotland match that was rumoured to be fixed
Man Utd FC @ManUtdFC_Fan 30m
Did this really just happen in the game that is being investigated for match fixing?? #scotlandnigeria https://vine.co/v/MdJ2YX32P2U
But Scotland did make it 2-1 courtesy of an og!
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On the surface I tend to agree. He's been a nuisance to Clegg.MarqueeMark said:British politics is all the better for the loss of Lord Oakeshott.
But he obviously has deep affection for the Lib Dems and has dedicated much of his life to the party. So given his moves, topped off with labelling Clegg a "disaster", I wonder if he just has a visceral, emotional dislike of Clegg or - and I suspect this is more likely the case - believes that the party should've behaved differently post GE2010 election and blames Clegg for it.
And this is the thing that gets me with the agitating Lib Dem types like Oakeshott. What does he want? What would he have preferred Clegg to when faced with a coalition? Is he immature enough to only desire Lib Dem/Labour coalitions? Or is he arrogant enough to believe - with less than 60 seats - that they should've held more sway over the Tories in government?
It'd be really interesting to know his thoughts.
Perhaps, like many supposed Lib Dem supporters, he would've just preferred the popular policies of oppositionhood all his life.
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I did.Stuart_Dickson said:- "It also emerged there were other polls, that unsurprisingly showed Danny Alexander losing his seat"
Funny how nobody said that when Alexander was 1/2 FAV.
I remember having a conversation with Mr Divvie, when trying to work out who was best placed to defeat the Lib Dems there, via his uncle who lived in the seat.
I particularly remember his uncle's view on Salmond.0 -
Well I am not calm unfortunately, so I hope you enjoy your beverage and I will wish everyone a good night.SeanT said:
I am entirely calm, I am indeed serene. I have had a very nice day and I am now drinking Verjago Valpolicella 2008, with an aged ribeye.kle4 said:
There's no need to get d venture), I doubt that is so, and why should it be? No need to break out the good stuff to weirdos on a political blog, but apparently that means no-one can call your sh*t 'sh*t', but must call it gold.SeanT said:
WTF are you talking about, you dribbling buffoon?kle4 said:
d the Tories wish we had. The LDs are not the option of choice among those people anymore, UKIP is and well done them, but they still are for a minority, and that's as valid a reason for them to be around as any other party, given the lack of ideological basis for the parties thesedays.SeanT said:Couldn't have happened to a nastier party.
Does anyone actually like the Lib Dems? Anyone? What is the f*cking point in the Lib Dems? Bleating bunch of europhile liars and traitors. From Andrew "I hate the English" Duff to Nick "watch as I weep for my career" Clegg, they are the scum of the political bathtub.
Die, Lib Dems, DIE.
HAHAHAHA.
I get PAID to write hyperbole, and I get THREE THOUSAND SHARES a blog. I wrote arguably the most influential blog on the entire European election, by being HYPERBOLIC.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100271887/our-political-masters-are-horrified-by-ukip-trouble-is-the-voters-arent/
Shall we stop the argument there?
http://www.vivino.com/wineries/valpolicella-negrar/wines/domini-veneti-verjago-2008
And yes my unpaid-for opinions on the Lib Dems, on pb, are simply the bald truth, as compared with the salaried words of abuse that I write for the Telegraph.
Salut!
It does seem odd however that a rant about how the LDs should die for being so terrible (be it the truth as one sees it or not) is the height of serenity, yet an insistent refutation of that is the sign of a moronic dribbler, and of course calling someone a moronic dribbler is itself calmness personified.
I suspect you miss arguing with someone/s who can match your level of entertaining inventive bile, but I regret I do not have the energy for that at the best of times, so must prove a dissatisfaction in this matter. Perhaps someone else can pick up the slack with greater enthusiasm than I.
And yes, I know I am pompous, thank you. If you cannot be pompous and tedious on an internet politcal blog, where can you be? Honestly. If I cared about boring people with my opinions I'd always be silent. We cannot all be fire and brimstone with our views, you know.
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Before the tories start talking about GE election victories,it would help if they could hit 36% and above first ;-)
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Patience, we don't want to peak too soon.Tykejohnno said:TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics 41s
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Before the tories start talking about GE election victories,it would help if they could hit 36% and above first ;-)
Plus a few months of sustained Tory leads right now would be problematic for us in the long term
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TSETheScreamingEagles said:
We definitely need an internationally recognised symbol for sarcasm.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think you will find that was the whole point of TSE including the tweet. Anyone who 'must resign' according to Hodges is bound to be safe.wumper said:I see you quote a tweet from Dan Hodges saying Cable will have to resign. Well Hodges has never been right about anything, he is the worst journalist in GB with a large chip on his shoulder
You could try the interrobang, which is a question mark and exclamation mark combined in a single glyph. It was originally designed to denote a rhetorical question but has broadened into use also to denote irony.
Here is its history according to Wikipedia:
American Martin K. Speckter conceptualized the interrobang in 1962. As the head of an advertising agency, Speckter believed that advertisements would look better if copywriters conveyed surprised rhetorical questions using a single mark. He proposed the concept of a single punctuation mark in an article in the magazine TYPEtalks. Speckter solicited possible names for the new character from readers. Contenders included rhet, exclarotive, and exclamaquest, but he settled on interrobang. He chose the name to reference the punctuation marks that inspired it: interrogatio is Latin for "a rhetorical question" or "cross-examination"; bang is printers' slang for the exclamation mark. Graphic treatments for the new mark were also submitted in response to the article.
Recent Microsoft fonts (Calibri, Cambria etc) have included the glyph at U+203D ‽ interrobang (HTML: ‽). Here is a rather beautiful rendering in Hermann Zapf's 1950s typeface Palatino:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Interrobang.svg
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Well you learn something new every day.AveryLP said:
TSETheScreamingEagles said:
We definitely need an internationally recognised symbol for sarcasm.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think you will find that was the whole point of TSE including the tweet. Anyone who 'must resign' according to Hodges is bound to be safe.wumper said:I see you quote a tweet from Dan Hodges saying Cable will have to resign. Well Hodges has never been right about anything, he is the worst journalist in GB with a large chip on his shoulder
You could try the interrobang, which is a question mark and exclamation mark combined in a single glyph. It was originally designed to denote a rhetorical question but has broadened into use to also denote irony.
Here is its history according to Wikipedia:
American Martin K. Speckter conceptualized the interrobang in 1962. As the head of an advertising agency, Speckter believed that advertisements would look better if copywriters conveyed surprised rhetorical questions using a single mark. He proposed the concept of a single punctuation mark in an article in the magazine TYPEtalks. Speckter solicited possible names for the new character from readers. Contenders included rhet, exclarotive, and exclamaquest, but he settled on interrobang. He chose the name to reference the punctuation marks that inspired it: interrogatio is Latin for "a rhetorical question" or "cross-examination"; bang is printers' slang for the exclamation mark. Graphic treatments for the new mark were also submitted in response to the article.
Recent Microsoft fonts (Calibri, Cambria etc) have included the glyph at U+203D ‽ interrobang (HTML: ‽). Here is a rather beautiful rendering in Hermann Zapf's 1950s typface Palatino:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Interrobang.svg
I do prefer
*Innocent Face*
No ones ever got in trouble for using that have they?0 -
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Labour was slipping too far too fast for my bets, this is better.TheScreamingEagles said:
Patience, we don't want to peak too soon.Tykejohnno said:TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics 41s
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YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead up two to four points: CON 32%, LAB 36%, LD 9%, UKIP 14%
Before the tories start talking about GE election victories,it would help if they could hit 36% and above first ;-)
Plus a few months of sustained Tory leads right now would be problematic for us in the long term
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and win by elections like Newark ;-)Ninoinoz said:
Or finish higher than third in a national election?Tykejohnno said:TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics @Sun_Politics 41s
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YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead up two to four points: CON 32%, LAB 36%, LD 9%, UKIP 14%
Before the tories start talking about GE election victories,it would help if they could hit 36% and above first ;-)
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If you could render *Innocent Face* into a single glyph, you could name it a "Bercow".TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you learn something new every day.AveryLP said:
TSETheScreamingEagles said:
We definitely need an internationally recognised symbol for sarcasm.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think you will find that was the whole point of TSE including the tweet. Anyone who 'must resign' according to Hodges is bound to be safe.wumper said:I see you quote a tweet from Dan Hodges saying Cable will have to resign. Well Hodges has never been right about anything, he is the worst journalist in GB with a large chip on his shoulder
You could try the interrobang, which is a question mark and exclamation mark combined in a single glyph. It was originally designed to denote a rhetorical question but has broadened into use to also denote irony.
Here is its history according to Wikipedia:
American Martin K. Speckter conceptualized the interrobang in 1962. As the head of an advertising agency, Speckter believed that advertisements would look better if copywriters conveyed surprised rhetorical questions using a single mark. He proposed the concept of a single punctuation mark in an article in the magazine TYPEtalks. Speckter solicited possible names for the new character from readers. Contenders included rhet, exclarotive, and exclamaquest, but he settled on interrobang. He chose the name to reference the punctuation marks that inspired it: interrogatio is Latin for "a rhetorical question" or "cross-examination"; bang is printers' slang for the exclamation mark. Graphic treatments for the new mark were also submitted in response to the article.
Recent Microsoft fonts (Calibri, Cambria etc) have included the glyph at U+203D ‽ interrobang (HTML: ‽). Here is a rather beautiful rendering in Hermann Zapf's 1950s typface Palatino:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Interrobang.svg
I do prefer
*Innocent Face*
No ones ever got in trouble for using that have they?
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So there I am about 20 minutes ago driving home from training and the news on the radio was Cable denies everything.
Ah Vince. One pathetic vain little weasel with a political reputation for apparent economic brilliance that is on a par in the complete myth stakes with that of a Mr Gordon Brown.
Seriously Lib Dems, whatever you do with Nick Clegg, Cable is not your future. He has no cojones whatsoever.0 -
"Since the military coup on May 22, Thailand has been under a strict curfew. Initially, everyone was ordered indoors from 10pm to 5am. The curfew has just been relaxed however – allowing tourists and locals to stay out in the evenings – as long as they are off the streets between midnight and 4am.
Bangkok, night life capital of the world, has been feeling the squeeze the hardest. Five-star hotels are offering special rates for tourists and promotions to entice locals to spend the night after coming for drinks or dinner, and avoid rushing home for curfew.
The city usually comes to life at night and glows with hedonistic abandon, but for the past few days, the Thai capital’s usually packed concrete canyons have been largely deserted, its countless bars, clubs, shops and restaurants closed in line with the military’s orders."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/thailand/10859809/Thailand-Is-the-party-over-for-now-The-effect-of-the-curfew-on-tourism.html0 -
More a kipper than a keeper.isam said:
Unreal!Richard_Tyndall said:
You have got to be kidding me!!!!!. That is incredible. He practically threw the ball into his own net.isam said:The Nigerian keepers just thrown the ball into his own net in that Scotland match that was rumoured to be fixed
Man Utd FC @ManUtdFC_Fan 30m
Did this really just happen in the game that is being investigated for match fixing?? #scotlandnigeria https://vine.co/v/MdJ2YX32P2U
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The swing to Labour in the local elections was 5.2% compared to 2010. But since that included London and the metropolitan councils, which are the best areas for the party at the moment, it's doubtful they would have registered the 4.7% swing nationally needed for an overall majority.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dGZMVENacEVqMUI0bWZaQk13c041S3c&usp=sheets_web#gid=00
