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  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324
    Cyclefree said:




    You propose leaving women and children in lifeboats in the Atlantic or in the Channel, one of the busiest sea lanes in the world, and hope they will be ok and not drown. Wow!



    I am not advocating it just pointing out that it is 100% within the gift of Johnson/Patel to solve this had they the will to do so.

    After the first two lifeboats come ashore at Quimper nobody will be buying 5 grand boat rides in Calais.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited September 2020
    Cyclefree said:

    Why are you so shy about saying what you would like to see happen, which is the question I asked you?
    I'd like the boats stopped, ideally by the Australian method of processing all claims offshore. Now why are you so shy of admitting that your claim that the current Government is implementing UKIP/BXP policy is obvious nonsense?
  • I hope we aren't going to get the same nonsense as when Prince Charles, Boris or Gove got a test and some windbags in the media went nuts about how did they get a test, did they jump the queue, etc.
    The political significance is that it (probably) gives Boris a week off PMQs.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,321
    edited September 2020
    Dura_Ace said:

    I am not advocating it just pointing out that it is 100% within the gift of Johnson/Patel to solve this had they the will to do so.

    After the first two lifeboats come ashore at Quimper nobody will be buying 5 grand boat rides in Calais.

    I hear the Bay of Biscay is choppy this time of year.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,269
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sure, just tow them as far west as Brest.
    A bit rough off Brest. Notoriously difficult channel too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,073
    So only 10 rebels so far, still well short of the roughly 55 needed to defeat the government given the DUP will support the government
  • Did not have an excuse to fly to Afghanistan
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,073
    edited September 2020
    So Cox and Green become the latest members of the May cabinet to have lost the Tory whip taking account of those who lost it before the 2019 GE https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1305458599137890305?s=20
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    I'd like the boats stopped, ideally by the Australian method of processing all claims offshore. Now why are you so shy of admitting that your claim that the current Government is implementing UKIP/BXP policy is obvious nonsense?
    And if there is no place offshore and a boat full of migrants in British territorial waters, what would you do?

    As to your second question, no: the government is doing what Farage and the Brexit party want on Brexit and is proposing to tear up human rights laws and even withdraw from the ECHR and is also proposing to break the law. This seems to me to be much closer to a UKIP/Brexit-style party than a Conservative one.

    You are free to disagree with my opinion.

    Now about those boats full of migrants near Dover?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited September 2020
    Don't do drugs kids....they screw your brain.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,321
    edited September 2020
    Scott_xP said:
    Government just following the science then.
  • HYUFD said:

    So only 10 rebels so far, still well short of the roughly 55 needed to defeat the government given the DUP will support the government
    Not a very convincing list from the veteran propagandist so far ; surely May is going to at least abstain too, supposedly putting her on the government's expulsion list.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,135

    Government just following the science then.

    I wonder who the "senior official" might be...
  • Not a very convincing list from the veteran propagandist so far ; surely May is going to at least abstain too, supposedly putting her on the government's expulsion list.
    Didn't she already say she was going to be away this week?
  • HYUFD said:

    So only 10 rebels so far, still well short of the roughly 55 needed to defeat the government given the DUP will support the government
    It may increase but it would be funny if the majority ends up being as much as the government's theoretical 78 majority (because of the DUP voting with the government and if more opposition than Tory MPs abstain).
  • Didn't she already say she was going to be away this week?
    You're right - I forgot she said she was going to be away on Monday but there later in the week.

    Interestingly convenient.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    My MP is very enthusiastic about the bill indeed, but bills getting through are always about the silent majority of loyal Gov't backbenchers.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    HYUFD said:

    So only 10 rebels so far, still well short of the roughly 55 needed to defeat the government given the DUP will support the government
    The government won’t be defeated.
  • You're right - I forgot she said she was going to be away on Monday but there later in the week.

    Interestingly convenient.
    I seemed to remember back on the day, Boris used to find he had terribly important overseas business to deal with when important votes came up.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324
    Foxy said:



    A bit rough off Brest. Notoriously difficult channel too.

    The other option would be to tow them east and let them "Transit Ostend" as Marvin Gaye put it.

    The worst sea states I have ever experienced was on a T23 in the North Sea off Belgium. I was also sleeping on top of two filing cabinets pushed together and sharing a cabin with an intrusively loud masturbator.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    Sounds like unfinished monkey business to me.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited September 2020
    May is actually a key person here. If she's not present for the vote after all, the government can get away with expelling some others if not her ; it potentially changes the dynamic of the vote and whatever comes afterward - until the amendment stage.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    Pulpstar said:

    North Carolina return stats - The Good
    Trafalgar polling - The bad
    Wisconsin courts - The ugly
    I'm not worried about Trafalgar so long as they remain an outlier. What I suspect is occurring with them is an attempt to stand apart from the pack with fingers crossed they look brilliant post 3/11. Start with an assumption that there are a ton of people planning to vote for Trump but too embarrassed to admit this even to an anonymous pollster. Do your poll in the trad way. Then bump up Trump's numbers by applying your assumption. Could work, of course it could, but I think - just like the man they are championing - they are cruising for a bruising.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,324

    Did not have an excuse to fly to Afghanistan
    He could do the "Double Johnson" and get in a fridge IN Afghanistan.
  • Cyclefree said:

    The government won’t be defeated.
    I hope not, but I'm not confident when it gets to the amendment stage just yet, let alone ping pong* with the Lords.

    * While Boris is PM is it acceptable to use the term "whiff whaff" instead?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited September 2020

    I hope not, but I'm not confident when it gets to the amendment stage just yet, let alone ping pong* with the Lords.

    * While Boris is PM is it acceptable to use the term "whiff whaff" instead?
    May may back in the Commons for the amendment stage, and then the whole showdown prospect may begin again.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    kinabalu said:

    I'll sell that for 10 farthings a point if "rebel" means vote against.
    What outcome of the vote will you be rooting for Kinabalu? Can you base your answer on what is better for the country rather than for the Labour Party, I wonder? Personally, while I am uncomfortable with all this I`m rooting for a government win, because defeat will mean that our negotiating position with the EU will be shot otherwise.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    Oh dear. Has he been recording with Morrissey?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,073
    edited September 2020
    kinabalu said:

    I'm not worried about Trafalgar so long as they remain an outlier. What I suspect is occurring with them is an attempt to stand apart from the pack with fingers crossed they look brilliant post 3/11. Start with an assumption that there are a ton of people planning to vote for Trump but too embarrassed to admit this even to an anonymous pollster. Do your poll in the trad way. Then bump up Trump's numbers by applying your assumption. Could work, of course it could, but I think - just like the man they are championing - they are cruising for a bruising.
    Trafalgar in 2016 were correct in being the outlier in the rustbelt swing states.

    Plus even Trafalgar have had Biden ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania in at least one poll this year but Trump holding all his other 2016 states and Biden holding the Hillary states.

    If that were to come to pass and Biden won NE02 as polling there suggests then it would be 269 269 and a tie but the House awarding the Presidency to Trump, the Senate deciding the VP.

    Trafalgar are suggesting Trump could be re elected, they are not suggesting a Trump landslide and even Trafalgar are suggesting Biden will do better than Hillary did
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,321
    Pulpstar said:

    My MP is very enthusiastic about the bill indeed, but bills getting through are always about the silent majority of loyal Gov't backbenchers.
    The lapdogs and the sheep. My MP is both.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,135
    Stocky said:

    our negotiating position with the EU will be shot otherwise.

    It's already shot.

    "We broke our last agreement. Please sign this trade deal?"

    "Fuck off (in french)"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,321
    Scott_xP said:

    It's already shot.

    "We broke our last agreement. Please sign this trade deal?"

    "Fuck off (in french)"
    Va te faire foutre?
  • I hope we aren't going to get the same nonsense as when Prince Charles, Boris or Gove got a test and some windbags in the media went nuts about how did they get a test, did they jump the queue, etc.
    I bet they don't have to travel 200 miles though or wait a week
  • Scott_xP said:
    I wonder if the government might end up accepting this amendment?

    It surely has the same impact as the bill itself, it ensures that the UK can act independently without the EU but just gives Parliament the power to do it - and since it only requires a Commons vote means that the Lords are not an issue. If this amendment is accepted and the Bill can more easily get through the Lords then win/win.

    The Government can use its majority along with the DUP when it comes to a future Commons vote.
  • HYUFD said:

    So Cox and Green become the latest members of the May cabinet to have lost the Tory whip taking account of those who lost it before the 2019 GE https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1305458599137890305?s=20

    The increasing use of the Whip this way will probably outlast Cummings.

    Cummings is the ultimate anti-Burkeian. He doesn't want anyone with their own judgment anywhere near law making in this country.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited September 2020
    HYUFD said:
    I'm a fan of Ed, and partly understand the rationale for this in these serious times, but somehow it also fits with the image of the young Ed studying diligently at home, and reviewing computer games for LBC radio, as he did in the '80s, while his contemporaries are out partying.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,187

    I wonder if the government might end up accepting this amendment?

    It surely has the same impact as the bill itself, it ensures that the UK can act independently without the EU but just gives Parliament the power to do it - and since it only requires a Commons vote means that the Lords are not an issue. If this amendment is accepted and the Bill can more easily get through the Lords then win/win.

    The Government can use its majority along with the DUP when it comes to a future Commons vote.
    It's a no brainer. They should immediately accept it. But that might defuse the row they seem to want to have.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    DavidL said:

    A relative of my wife's who is in her 80s, had a bad fall in a supermarket where the floor had been left wet. She is in a lot of pain, crying with it. Having been put off twice by her doctor, who remotely diagnosed that she had bruising, she was referred to physiotherapy on the third occasion. They have now been in touch saying that they are not allowed to see patients at present but will send her some exercises to do in the post.

    Last Thursday my wife had a back massage as a birthday present from her son.

    I mean, WTF is going on? When are we going to stop worrying quite so much about us protecting the NHS and more about when it is protecting us?

    I think we crossed the line a while back. Rather having a NHS that required protecting we now have a lazy, inefficient and risk-averse NHS.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,321
    edited September 2020

    I wonder if the government might end up accepting this amendment?

    It surely has the same impact as the bill itself, it ensures that the UK can act independently without the EU but just gives Parliament the power to do it - and since it only requires a Commons vote means that the Lords are not an issue. If this amendment is accepted and the Bill can more easily get through the Lords then win/win.

    The Government can use its majority along with the DUP when it comes to a future Commons vote.
    An 80 seat landslide and Johnson still needs c and s from the DUP?

    Maybe we need another GE to bolster Johnson's majority.
  • HYUFD said:
    I can think of no circumstances in which I would grass on my neighbours over this. Sad to think that we are being encouraged into this kind of Stasi like behaviour. Snitches get stitches in SE London anyway.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    edited September 2020
    DavidL said:

    A relative of my wife's who is in her 80s, had a bad fall in a supermarket where the floor had been left wet. She is in a lot of pain, crying with it. Having been put off twice by her doctor, who remotely diagnosed that she had bruising, she was referred to physiotherapy on the third occasion. They have now been in touch saying that they are not allowed to see patients at present but will send her some exercises to do in the post.

    Last Saturday my wife had a back massage as a birthday present from her son.

    I mean, WTF is going on? When are we going to stop worrying quite so much about us protecting the NHS and more about when it is protecting us?

    The first paragraph certainly sounds like the system isn't working as it should. What does a massage from your wife's son's to your wife have to do with anything though ?
  • DavidL said:

    It's a no brainer. They should immediately accept it. But that might defuse the row they seem to want to have.
    I think its actually more @MaxPB 's "demand 10/10, offer 1/10" analogy.

    With the originally drafted bill the government was incredibly audacious and went for 10/10. If they accept this immediately it becomes the new baseline and people will look for more compromises, whereas if they fight until the day then on the day of the votes "compromise" by accepting this without compromising any more then they might just get this through even the Lords too without compromising it any further.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
      
    DavidL said:

    It's a no brainer. They should immediately accept it. But that might defuse the row they seem to want to have.
    It should be sufficient as a statement of intent. It becomes the UK's backstop.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,073

    An 80 seat landslide and Johnson still needs c and s from the DUP?

    Maybe we need another GE to bolster Johnson's majority.
    On the latest Opinium poll at the weekend there would be a hung parliament and Boris would lose his majority and need DUP confidence and supply just to stay in power a la May 2017 so that is clearly not happening
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    dixiedean said:

    Frustrating waiting in for a plumber.
    On such a beautiful day I want to be outside finding people to grass up.

    I wish I could "like" that twice. What a ghastly country we are living in.
  • malcolmg22malcolmg22 Posts: 327
    edited September 2020
    Foxy said:

    A bit rough off Brest. Notoriously difficult channel too.
    surely cannot be worse than the channel in a small dinghy, lifeboats can cross oceans.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235

    I can think of no circumstances in which I would grass on my neighbours over this. Sad to think that we are being encouraged into this kind of Stasi like behaviour. Snitches get stitches in SE London anyway.
    How wonderful that those that oppose the restrictions on the grounds of liberty and freedom (I presume) make (un?)veiled threats of violence.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,187
    Pulpstar said:

    The first paragraph certainly sounds like the system isn't working as it should. What does a massage from your wife's son's to your wife have to do with anything though ?
    How can we have a situation where it is ok for a masseuse to provide her services to members of the public all day but it is not ok for a medical professional to see people in person to provide what is likely to be a much less intimate service with the appropriate safeguards? The masseuse has followed government guidance and got back to work. The NHS...not so much.
  • I can think of no circumstances in which I would grass on my neighbours over this. Sad to think that we are being encouraged into this kind of Stasi like behaviour. Snitches get stitches in SE London anyway.
    It will definitely lead to more of the sort of scenes we have seen over mask-ism, where it turns into a big row.

    This should be all about persuasion of the public to stick to the rules as much as possible for the good of granny, with the police going after those deliberately trying to organize mass gatherings like raves.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    CMO was one of the ones telling him off!
  • Dura_Ace said:

    He could do the "Double Johnson" and get in a fridge IN Afghanistan.
    :D:D
  • Dura_Ace said:

    He could do the "Double Johnson" and get in a fridge IN Afghanistan.
    Just had a horrid flash of BJ and Jo doin' the spitroast.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    I'm a fan of Ed, and partly understand the rationale for this in these serious times, but somehow it also fits with the image of the young Ed studying diligently at home, and reviewing computer games for LBC radio, as he did in the '80s, while his contemporaries are out partying.
    You make him sound like a candidate for a comic strip in Viz magazine, poor chap!
  • DavidL said:

    A relative of my wife's who is in her 80s, had a bad fall in a supermarket where the floor had been left wet. She is in a lot of pain, crying with it. Having been put off twice by her doctor, who remotely diagnosed that she had bruising, she was referred to physiotherapy on the third occasion. They have now been in touch saying that they are not allowed to see patients at present but will send her some exercises to do in the post.

    Last Saturday my wife had a back massage as a birthday present from her son.

    I mean, WTF is going on? When are we going to stop worrying quite so much about us protecting the NHS and more about when it is protecting us?

    Meanwhile they are whinging about needing huge pay rises, it is pathetic.
  • DavidL said:

    How can we have a situation where it is ok for a masseuse to provide her services to members of the public all day but it is not ok for a medical professional to see people in person to provide what is likely to be a much less intimate service with the appropriate safeguards? The masseuse has followed government guidance and got back to work. The NHS...not so much.
    Because the masseuse needs to work to pay their bills.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    edited September 2020
    DavidL said:

    How can we have a situation where it is ok for a masseuse to provide her services to members of the public all day but it is not ok for a medical professional to see people in person to provide what is likely to be a much less intimate service with the appropriate safeguards? The masseuse has followed government guidance and got back to work. The NHS...not so much.
    So that your wife's son is a professional masseuse and is allowed to practice now (And gave your wife a back massage as a present) was a contrast to draw with the first para ?
    Your wife's son visiting your wife would in the absence of other information normally be taken as a social, not a professional visit.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited September 2020
    Carnyx said:

    You make him sound like a candidate for a comic strip in Viz magazine, poor chap!
    Haha - no, I'm a big fan of Ed, really ;.) If only we had him in charge, instead of Boris.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    edited September 2020
    Stocky said:

    What outcome of the vote will you be rooting for Kinabalu? Can you base your answer on what is better for the country rather than for the Labour Party, I wonder? Personally, while I am uncomfortable with all this I`m rooting for a government win, because defeat will mean that our negotiating position with the EU will be shot otherwise.
    I'm not capable of actually rooting for this Boris Johnson government but I would be happy to see them win this vote easily - i.e. with a minimum of the drama I believe they themselves are rooting for.
  • malcolmg22malcolmg22 Posts: 327
    edited September 2020
    I see LadyG is running in the 3:45 at Thirsk, odds only 1/25 mind you.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited September 2020

    I see LadyG is running in the 3:45 at Thirsk, odds only 1/25 mind you.

    If she (he) can get a drink in before, anything's possible.
  • A question for Parliamentary experts . . . lets say hypothetically that the Commons sends through the Bill unamended to the Lords (ie they reject the Neill amendment), but then the Lords were to amend the bill by adding the Neill amendment in (or something very like it) and send it back to the Commons for consideration like that . . .

    . . . then could the Government/Commons simply accept the amendment at that point and the Lords have already now agreed so it then goes to Royal Assent? Or if the Commons accepts it do the Lords then have to vote again prior to Royal Assent?
  • Pulpstar said:

    How wonderful that those that oppose the restrictions on the grounds of liberty and freedom (I presume) make (un?)veiled threats of violence.
    It was a lighthearted comment! I am not against the restrictions, I just don't like the idea of encouraging us all to become a bunch of informers.
  • If she (he) can get a drink in before, anything's possible.
    Exotic even by our famous poster(s) though, need a few drinks in to beat horses over 12 furlongs
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,321
    RobD said:

    CMO was one of the ones telling him off!
    Cummings is CMO now? Wow.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    A question for Parliamentary experts . . . lets say hypothetically that the Commons sends through the Bill unamended to the Lords (ie they reject the Neill amendment), but then the Lords were to amend the bill by adding the Neill amendment in (or something very like it) and send it back to the Commons for consideration like that . . .

    . . . then could the Government/Commons simply accept the amendment at that point and the Lords have already now agreed so it then goes to Royal Assent? Or if the Commons accepts it do the Lords then have to vote again prior to Royal Assent?

    I thought ping pong stops when both houses agree the text without amendment.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    edited September 2020

    It was a lighthearted comment! I am not against the restrictions, I just don't like the idea of encouraging us all to become a bunch of informers.
    I doubt anyone* will report grandparents visiting a household that has 3 children, large gatherings OTOH I'd hope everyone would dob their neighbours in for that.

    *Some might, they'd be told where to go by the police I'd hope though.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    Cummings is CMO now? Wow.
    Not sure what you mean. In the email he says the opposition came from the CMO and two civil servants. Not the politicians.
  • Scott_xP said:

    I wonder who the "senior official" might be...
    No need to wonder - he explicitly says who "with a telling off from CMO PS DHSC and CabSec"
  • malcolmg22malcolmg22 Posts: 327
    edited September 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    I doubt anyone* will report grandparents visiting a household that has 3 children, large gatherings OTOH I'd hope everyone would dob their neighbours in for that.

    *Some might, they'd be told where to go by the police I'd hope though.
    under 12's excluded in Scotland , so if you have young children you can have 6 adults plus as many under 12's as you like.
    PS: from two families
  • Pulpstar said:

    I doubt anyone* will report grandparents visiting a household that has 3 children, large gatherings OTOH I'd hope everyone would dob their neighbours in for that.

    *Some might, they'd be told where to go by the police I'd hope though.
    I honestly wouldn't grass up my neighbours about this even if they had a full on rave.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,796
    DavidL said:

    How can we have a situation where it is ok for a masseuse to provide her services to members of the public all day but it is not ok for a medical professional to see people in person to provide what is likely to be a much less intimate service with the appropriate safeguards? The masseuse has followed government guidance and got back to work. The NHS...not so much.
    Simple the masseuse only gets paid for doing her job.

    The doctor gets paid whether he does his job or not
  • We've now got the "Reverse Andy Murray" in COVID - when cases are low, or declining, they are in Scotland, when they are high or rising they are in the UK

    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1305467814195662848?s=20

    https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1304721092838334465?s=20
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,573
    DavidL said:

    How can we have a situation where it is ok for a masseuse to provide her services to members of the public all day but it is not ok for a medical professional to see people in person to provide what is likely to be a much less intimate service with the appropriate safeguards? The masseuse has followed government guidance and got back to work. The NHS...not so much.
    If I were still running a community pharmacy I gather I would be expected, albeit masked, to dispense patients medicines and give them any necessary advise. Plus be available for the general public to ask advice.
    That\s certainly what happens at the pharmacy I now, as an OAP, visit reasonable;y regularly.
    Meanwhile up the road the GP can do everything over the phone or by video link...... although I gather the media;l profession as a whole is very reluctant to use any form of video link.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    We've now got the "Reverse Andy Murray" in COVID - when cases are low, or declining, they are in Scotland, when they are high or rising they are in the UK

    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1305467814195662848?s=20

    https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1304721092838334465?s=20

    Doesn't make sense. Both comments are valid - because Scotland is within and connected to a wider pool of pox infestation as well as of endogenous pox, and gmt policy has to respond to both. Also cos the testing problem is UK wide, so that stats problem is too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,677
    edited September 2020
    Whoa! What happened to the nice green PB website???
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    I can’t remember such a “tomorrow’s chip paper” argument as this one over the Internal Markets Bill. It surprises me that there are any Tory MPs left who have not yet realised that Geoff Cox has a sole aim from his time in politics: self promotion for the benefit of his private Chambers. He’d no doubt be delighted to get kicked out on a “point of principle”, His political career having pretty much exhausted its usefulness to him.

    I follow politics closer than most and I can’t even remember what the rebellion was over this time last year that saw all those MPs expelled. Those considering the same now would do well to consider what pathetic figures the likes of Stewart, Gauke and Greening now cut, sniping on Twitter to try and preserve some semblance of relevance. Or Hammond, tarting himself like Blair. Major, May and Blair are hardly disinterested parties either.

    It’s all just the rough and tumble of dealing with the EU. I’m in uproar over the government’s Rule of Six and snitching agenda, necessitated only by how ineptly it’s run and communicated the covid response. But I’m giving three cheers that they’re giving a robust response to the EU and are prepared to break a few eggs.
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