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Fishing, rather than cherry picking.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:0 -
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Quite. I really do not understand why any comments from the EU on negotiations is treated as gospel truth or automatically to be taken at face value - I wouldn't trust negotiators playing the media game from either side to tell the unvarnished truth, because they are negotiators. If agreements eventually get signed without all the movement from whichever side said was essential, they don't stand up and say 'Sorry, we were wrong'.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:
No - negotiators talk bullcrap whilst negotiations are going on. We should stop listening to the whole lot of them, from both sides.2 -
Man's a fool. He should have said he was testing his eyesight, as apparently that's fine and dandy.CarlottaVance said:How you police a quarantine:
https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/08/20/three-breaches-of-isolation-law-leads-to-10000-fine/0 -
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate to beat the SNP at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.0 -
I hope that's right.MaxPB said:I have to give credit where it's due on 5he economy. The government has got basically every step correct on the unlocking. They've managed to balance economic need with keeping the virus under control extremely well. I don't know who gets the credit but they've done a very, very good job under tough circumstances. So much that the predictions of mega cuts and tax rises may just end up being predictions and we live with an extra £250bn in debt rather than destroy the economy to pay it off. We may end up in a situation with the 2021 deficit looking very similar to the 2019 deficit with 2020 just a one off hit.
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Its all a USD move. EURGBP has been more or less flat the last couple of months, while EURUSD has strengthened significantly. FX markets haven't suddenly discovered any love for the GBP, which is still beset by the UK's poor response to Covid and continuing Brexit risks.MaxPB said:
A bit of both. The UK economic data has been good for a month or so and the data coming from the US is very patchy.IanB2 said:
More that the $ is becoming weaker?Morris_Dancer said:Is the unexpectedly high PMI a driving force behind the strengthening of the pound?
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You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.1 -
EU good, UK bad. That's all you need to know.kle4 said:
Quite. I really do not understand why any comments from the EU on negotiations is treated as gospel truth or automatically to be taken at face value - I wouldn't trust negotiators playing the media game from either side to tell the unvarnished truth, because they are negotiators. If agreements eventually get signed without all the movement from whichever side said was essential, they don't stand up and say 'Sorry, we were wrong'.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:
No - negotiators talk bullcrap whilst negotiations are going on. We should stop listening to the whole lot of them, from both sides.0 -
Not here it's not. They fined a hotel worker £2000 for stopping off in a shop on his way home to buy a bottle of water.ydoethur said:
Man's a fool. He should have said he was testing his eyesight, as apparently that's fine and dandy.CarlottaVance said:How you police a quarantine:
https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/08/20/three-breaches-of-isolation-law-leads-to-10000-fine/0 -
He'll get votes from that just for the audacity and speaking his mind.Scott_xP said:Can't wait for the debate...
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1296548895187763203
Many Americans find it refreshing.0 -
This is a fairly compelling argument for the existence of institutional sexism in France
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My post was not perhaps meant to be taken entirely seriously...CarlottaVance said:
Not here it's not. They fined a hotel worker £2000 for stopping off in a shop on his way home to buy a bottle of water.ydoethur said:
Man's a fool. He should have said he was testing his eyesight, as apparently that's fine and dandy.CarlottaVance said:How you police a quarantine:
https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/08/20/three-breaches-of-isolation-law-leads-to-10000-fine/
Edit - even by the standards of mineral water though, that's bloody expensive.0 -
It went from reasonably balanced (with a bit of work to do, perhaps), to massively skewed one way.Alistair said:This is a fairly compelling argument for the existence of institutional sexism in France
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Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
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Yoiu might like to consider the fact that "unionist" has a very loaded double meaning in Scotland. And yet what else would you call your alliance?HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate to beat the SNP at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.0 -
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That's a stroke of luck so early in the day.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionist divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
The rest of the post doesn't make any sense, of course, but that's about par for the course.1 -
Negotiators at a big, international negotiation, briefing their points of view to the press.kle4 said:
Quite. I really do not understand why any comments from the EU on negotiations is treated as gospel truth or automatically to be taken at face value - I wouldn't trust negotiators playing the media game from either side to tell the unvarnished truth, because they are negotiators. If agreements eventually get signed without all the movement from whichever side said was essential, they don't stand up and say 'Sorry, we were wrong'.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:
No - negotiators talk bullcrap whilst negotiations are going on. We should stop listening to the whole lot of them, from both sides.
There is a film at 11, I believe.0 -
Unfortunately it is impacting more than just retail and hospitality. I work in engineering consultancy and we have had a round of redundancies. I would say how many but that sort of information isn't shared. From those departments I am aware of, it seems to be around 10%.MaxPB said:Another major factor is employment, there's a huge worry that as more people are let go in the coming months it will cause a slowdown. However, I'm not convinced. The job losses are majority in retail and hospitality, in terms of where to lose jobs, neither sector is very high yield. Part of why the 2008 crash was so bad is that it was middle income and high income people that found themselves out of work. People on lower incomes should find it easier to find an equivalent paying job elsewhere, maybe in a new or different sector (warehouse fulfilment rather than shelf stacking etc...) but we'll need to see how it plays out. From anecdotal reports, none of my friends have found themselves on the wrong side of a redundancy package yet so the jobs damage does seem to be limited to retail and hospitality so far.
That comes on top of the temporary pay cuts that have been implemented by many companies in the sector. So saving on commuting hasn't given us extra cash in our pockets.0 -
Have to say that he has been a major improvement in our negotiating team.CarlottaVance said:3 -
Will they be offering a choice of bridges?Malmesbury said:
Negotiators at a big, international negotiation, briefing their points of view to the press.kle4 said:
Quite. I really do not understand why any comments from the EU on negotiations is treated as gospel truth or automatically to be taken at face value - I wouldn't trust negotiators playing the media game from either side to tell the unvarnished truth, because they are negotiators. If agreements eventually get signed without all the movement from whichever side said was essential, they don't stand up and say 'Sorry, we were wrong'.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:
No - negotiators talk bullcrap whilst negotiations are going on. We should stop listening to the whole lot of them, from both sides.
There is a film at 11, I believe.0 -
It occurs to me that there would be a certain irony if Project Fear proved to be right about grounding all our planes. That would mean we were suddenly and abruptly quarantined and put France right in the firing line for Covid transmission by international travellers.DavidL said:
Have to say that he has been a major improvement in our negotiating team.CarlottaVance said:0 -
"the country".HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
And "seats form[er]ly held by Labour".
How far back do you want to go?
Also - what would you put on the electoral paper? You can't stand under two different names for the same party in the same election.0 -
It's never been good/bad, or nice/nasty. It's always been about power (and that's true on both sides; remember "we hold all the cards"?)RobD said:
EU good, UK bad. That's all you need to know.kle4 said:
Quite. I really do not understand why any comments from the EU on negotiations is treated as gospel truth or automatically to be taken at face value - I wouldn't trust negotiators playing the media game from either side to tell the unvarnished truth, because they are negotiators. If agreements eventually get signed without all the movement from whichever side said was essential, they don't stand up and say 'Sorry, we were wrong'.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:
No - negotiators talk bullcrap whilst negotiations are going on. We should stop listening to the whole lot of them, from both sides.
If the EU are of the view that a deal with the UK is a nice thing to have, but not worth contaminating their single market for, they have the sovereign freedom to choose that course. They may be chumps and ninnies for that (though they're probably not) but it's their choice, and ultimately there's a low limit on what the UK can do about that.2 -
Even with heroically optimistic assumptions that a vaccine is imminent, Brexit transition will end painlessly and we won't suffer from damage to the global economy, I think it's impossible for the deficit in 2021 not to be considerably greater than 2019.MaxPB said:I have to give credit where it's due on 5he economy. The government has got basically every step correct on the unlocking. They've managed to balance economic need with keeping the virus under control extremely well. I don't know who gets the credit but they've done a very, very good job under tough circumstances. So much that the predictions of mega cuts and tax rises may just end up being predictions and we live with an extra £250bn in debt rather than destroy the economy to pay it off. We may end up in a situation with the 2021 deficit looking very similar to the 2019 deficit with 2020 just a one off hit.
The reason being that Johnson has always been uncomfortable with any degree of restraint, including spending restraint. He'll have seen this year that he was able to spend with gay abandon with no ill effect. He wants to be popular. There will be a lot of spending in 2021.
Also, I believe that there are technical reasons why you'd expect the tax take to not recover as quickly as the wider economy - losses carried over, self-assessment paid in arrears, etc. Tax will not keep up with spending.1 -
The Alliance for the Union would be a different party set up solely for Holyrood next year registered separately.Carnyx said:
"the country".HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
And "seats form[er]ly held by Labour".
How far back do you want to go?
Also - what would you put on the electoral paper? You can't stand under two different names for the same party in the same election.
It would be the Unionist equivalent of the SNP on the constituency vote while the different current Unionist parties would all stand separately on the list against each other as different Nationalist parties will also stand separately on the list against the SNP0 -
I've never actually said this before about any vote, be it Remain-16, sIndy, Leave-15, Trump-16, Brexit, Corbyn-17, Corbyn-19, Tories-19, Miliband-15, Cameron-15, Clegg-15, Clinton-16 and so on and so forth as there were valid reasons for voting that way with all of them.
But I won't be able to take anyone who has a vote in the US election and casts a vote for Trump-20 seriously on here ever again.2 -
The FT the other day was pointing out that the EU's approach to cabotage (which will increase costs for both sides, them more) is prioritising "sovereignty" over "common sense".Stuartinromford said:
It's never been good/bad, or nice/nasty. It's always been about power (and that's true on both sides; remember "we hold all the cards"?)RobD said:
EU good, UK bad. That's all you need to know.kle4 said:
Quite. I really do not understand why any comments from the EU on negotiations is treated as gospel truth or automatically to be taken at face value - I wouldn't trust negotiators playing the media game from either side to tell the unvarnished truth, because they are negotiators. If agreements eventually get signed without all the movement from whichever side said was essential, they don't stand up and say 'Sorry, we were wrong'.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:
No - negotiators talk bullcrap whilst negotiations are going on. We should stop listening to the whole lot of them, from both sides.
If the EU are of the view that a deal with the UK is a nice thing to have, but not worth contaminating their single market for, they have the sovereign freedom to choose that course. They may be chumps and ninnies for that (though they're probably not) but it's their choice, and ultimately there's a low limit on what the UK can do about that.0 -
It's unlikely. But good to see that PB Tories now recognise that austerity is largely self-defeating.Casino_Royale said:
I hope that's right.MaxPB said:I have to give credit where it's due on 5he economy. The government has got basically every step correct on the unlocking. They've managed to balance economic need with keeping the virus under control extremely well. I don't know who gets the credit but they've done a very, very good job under tough circumstances. So much that the predictions of mega cuts and tax rises may just end up being predictions and we live with an extra £250bn in debt rather than destroy the economy to pay it off. We may end up in a situation with the 2021 deficit looking very similar to the 2019 deficit with 2020 just a one off hit.
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Yep, we are having to lay a large number of people off, too.SandyRentool said:
Unfortunately it is impacting more than just retail and hospitality. I work in engineering consultancy and we have had a round of redundancies. I would say how many but that sort of information isn't shared. From those departments I am aware of, it seems to be around 10%.MaxPB said:Another major factor is employment, there's a huge worry that as more people are let go in the coming months it will cause a slowdown. However, I'm not convinced. The job losses are majority in retail and hospitality, in terms of where to lose jobs, neither sector is very high yield. Part of why the 2008 crash was so bad is that it was middle income and high income people that found themselves out of work. People on lower incomes should find it easier to find an equivalent paying job elsewhere, maybe in a new or different sector (warehouse fulfilment rather than shelf stacking etc...) but we'll need to see how it plays out. From anecdotal reports, none of my friends have found themselves on the wrong side of a redundancy package yet so the jobs damage does seem to be limited to retail and hospitality so far.
That comes on top of the temporary pay cuts that have been implemented by many companies in the sector. So saving on commuting hasn't given us extra cash in our pockets.
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He should never play for England again.
The FA should ban him playing for Manchester United for at least two seasons.
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Indeed, I can highly comend it as an objective.TheScreamingEagles said:
What's wrong with making NHS doctors rich?DavidL said:
They certainly established that the most fundamental purpose of the NHS is to make doctors rich. Stuff their mouths with gold was the approach in the 1940s and ever since.
I speak from a position of pure impartiality on this.0 -
Spot on Malcolm. Does he merit the title of "turnip?"malcolmg said:
Obama was useless, an empty suit devoid of policies and a nasty piece of work but much slyer than Trump..LostPassword said:
We saw this sort of false equivalency in 2016, but there's no way that Clinton would have done as much damage as Trump. So it is with Biden. Simply not making the situation any worse will be a vast improvement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The sad thing for the US is the choice between Trump and BidenScott_xP said:Can't wait for the debate...
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1296548895187763203
Where is the inspirational leader the US needs to repair Trump's damage
Also, that Trump was elected in the first place shows that he is, to some extent, a symptom of damage done by others over many years. The idea that one inspirational leader could undo that is a dangerous illusion. There's so much more to be done.
Obama was seen as an inspirational leader. While he was certainly more sinned against than sinner, part of a leader's legacy is who they're followed by. Clearly, Obama's inspirational leadership was not enough to prevent the US from turning to Trump. They'll need something more to repair the damage.0 -
Balancing the books and getting the public finances on a sustainable footing is never a bad idea.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's unlikely. But good to see that PB Tories now recognise that austerity is largely self-defeating.Casino_Royale said:
I hope that's right.MaxPB said:I have to give credit where it's due on 5he economy. The government has got basically every step correct on the unlocking. They've managed to balance economic need with keeping the virus under control extremely well. I don't know who gets the credit but they've done a very, very good job under tough circumstances. So much that the predictions of mega cuts and tax rises may just end up being predictions and we live with an extra £250bn in debt rather than destroy the economy to pay it off. We may end up in a situation with the 2021 deficit looking very similar to the 2019 deficit with 2020 just a one off hit.
Right now, however, the economy needs massive support. Later, we will have to deal with the bill.0 -
I meant this oneydoethur said:
Is he? I never knew Aberdeen was in the Ukraine!malcolmg said:
Gove is Ukranianydoethur said:
Why? What do you have against Ukrainians?malcolmg said:
certainly shares your extreme right wing views. He would be my first choice for the Maiden.HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
No, I was referring to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiden_(guillotine)0 -
are you saying that this debate should be appended with the words, "so far"?tlg86 said:
Surely we need to wait until next summer to assess the damage? What happens when furlough ends? How will people behave in the autumn and winter?MaxPB said:I have to give credit where it's due on 5he economy. The government has got basically every step correct on the unlocking. They've managed to balance economic need with keeping the virus under control extremely well. I don't know who gets the credit but they've done a very, very good job under tough circumstances. So much that the predictions of mega cuts and tax rises may just end up being predictions and we live with an extra £250bn in debt rather than destroy the economy to pay it off. We may end up in a situation with the 2021 deficit looking very similar to the 2019 deficit with 2020 just a one off hit.
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Maybe wait for legal proceedings to be concluded? But IANAL.TheScreamingEagles said:He should never play for England again.
The FA should ban him playing for Manchester United for at least two seasons.
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1296748761352417280?s=211 -
DO DO DO
THE SO FAR SHUFFLE0 -
When will David Frost tell the EU that we hold all the cards?
Is he waiting for German car makers and Prosecco producers to put pressure on the EU first?0 -
Yes, far too early to be smug I am afraid, lot of water to go under the bridge yet.tlg86 said:
Surely we need to wait until next summer to assess the damage? What happens when furlough ends? How will people behave in the autumn and winter?MaxPB said:I have to give credit where it's due on 5he economy. The government has got basically every step correct on the unlocking. They've managed to balance economic need with keeping the virus under control extremely well. I don't know who gets the credit but they've done a very, very good job under tough circumstances. So much that the predictions of mega cuts and tax rises may just end up being predictions and we live with an extra £250bn in debt rather than destroy the economy to pay it off. We may end up in a situation with the 2021 deficit looking very similar to the 2019 deficit with 2020 just a one off hit.
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Not sure.ydoethur said:
Will they be offering a choice of bridges?Malmesbury said:
Negotiators at a big, international negotiation, briefing their points of view to the press.kle4 said:
Quite. I really do not understand why any comments from the EU on negotiations is treated as gospel truth or automatically to be taken at face value - I wouldn't trust negotiators playing the media game from either side to tell the unvarnished truth, because they are negotiators. If agreements eventually get signed without all the movement from whichever side said was essential, they don't stand up and say 'Sorry, we were wrong'.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:
No - negotiators talk bullcrap whilst negotiations are going on. We should stop listening to the whole lot of them, from both sides.
There is a film at 11, I believe.
But I have some nice real estate with river frontage. Viewings at low tide only.1 -
The FA have in the past stopped players playing for England until after the legal proceedings have concluded.Alphabet_Soup said:
Maybe wait for legal proceedings to be concluded? But IANAL.TheScreamingEagles said:He should never play for England again.
The FA should ban him playing for Manchester United for at least two seasons.
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1296748761352417280?s=210 -
Think about the funding and the Electoral Commission.HYUFD said:
The Alliance for the Union would be a different party set up solely for Holyrood next year registered separately.Carnyx said:
"the country".HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
And "seats form[er]ly held by Labour".
How far back do you want to go?
Also - what would you put on the electoral paper? You can't stand under two different names for the same party in the same election.
It would be the Unionist equivalent of the SNP on the constituency vote while the different current Unionist parties would all stand separately on the list against each other as different Nationalist parties will also stand separately on the list against the SNP0 -
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
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Only if you actually want a 'No Deal' Brexit.DavidL said:
Have to say that he has been a major improvement in our negotiating team.CarlottaVance said:0 -
They need us more than we need them...TheScreamingEagles said:When will David Frost tell the EU that we hold all the cards?
Is he waiting for German car makers and Prosecco producers to put pressure on the EU first?0 -
Just got my new black Brexit passport. It’s pretty naff quality compared to my one from 2010.0
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You obviously do not understand Scottish politics then. Fancy a bet that Galloway's party get ZERO seats.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate to beat the SNP at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.0 -
What do you expect, its French.Gallowgate said:Just got my new black Brexit passport. It’s pretty naff quality compared to my one from 2010.
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5 Star Turnip I think.MrEd said:
Spot on Malcolm. Does he merit the title of "turnip?"malcolmg said:
Obama was useless, an empty suit devoid of policies and a nasty piece of work but much slyer than Trump..LostPassword said:
We saw this sort of false equivalency in 2016, but there's no way that Clinton would have done as much damage as Trump. So it is with Biden. Simply not making the situation any worse will be a vast improvement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The sad thing for the US is the choice between Trump and BidenScott_xP said:Can't wait for the debate...
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1296548895187763203
Where is the inspirational leader the US needs to repair Trump's damage
Also, that Trump was elected in the first place shows that he is, to some extent, a symptom of damage done by others over many years. The idea that one inspirational leader could undo that is a dangerous illusion. There's so much more to be done.
Obama was seen as an inspirational leader. While he was certainly more sinned against than sinner, part of a leader's legacy is who they're followed by. Clearly, Obama's inspirational leadership was not enough to prevent the US from turning to Trump. They'll need something more to repair the damage.0 -
No, it doesn’t but getting concerned about such things is these days hand-waved away by our world weary cynics as righteous indignation. This is what the world is and really why make a fuss. Apparently. You’re a fool for expecting better.guybrush said:Interesting article on Lord Levedev. Doesn't look good, does it?
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/08/20/sweeney-investigates-what-changed-to-make-evgeny-lebedev-no-longer-a-security-risk/
I rather fear Trump will win again. I really really hope not but the Democrats seem to be far too complacent.NickPalmer said:I'm not into daily poll hysteria. but most of the last 7 US polls are a bit lacklustre for Biden:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Let's hope the convention and well-received final speeches give a boost.
Why do you say that?DavidL said:
Have to say that he has been a major improvement in our negotiating team.CarlottaVance said:
In just over 4 months the transition period ends and no-one has any idea what is to replace it and precious little time to prepare for it - or any last-minute deal, if there is one.
That does not strike me as an optimal situation to be in, especially since we were repeatedly told about “oven-ready deals” and “getting Brexit done”.
There will, unless things change, be a leap into the unknown just after the end of furlough (and whatever that brings), let alone whatever other unknown unknowns life will throw at us.1 -
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Has it worked FoxyFoxy said:
Indeed, I can highly comend it as an objective.TheScreamingEagles said:
What's wrong with making NHS doctors rich?DavidL said:
They certainly established that the most fundamental purpose of the NHS is to make doctors rich. Stuff their mouths with gold was the approach in the 1940s and ever since.
I speak from a position of pure impartiality on this.0 -
And used SLAB as penal battalions in indyref 1, to their lasting damage (and that of the SLDs too).OldKingCole said:
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
One would almost think HYUFD thinks Scotland is a foreign country where politics is utterly different and disconnected from rUK. A very strange philosophy for a professed unionist (whichever of the two Scottish senses or both he means).0 -
He won't do anything to stop us from dying with COVID-19, but he'll tell us how he feels about sharks.Casino_Royale said:
He'll get votes from that just for the audacity and speaking his mind.Scott_xP said:Can't wait for the debate...
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1296548895187763203
Many Americans find it refreshing.
Audaciously refreshing!0 -
UK cannot imagine that someone may have principles and want to stick to them even if they can make more money being unprincipled venal creeps.Stuartinromford said:
It's never been good/bad, or nice/nasty. It's always been about power (and that's true on both sides; remember "we hold all the cards"?)RobD said:
EU good, UK bad. That's all you need to know.kle4 said:
Quite. I really do not understand why any comments from the EU on negotiations is treated as gospel truth or automatically to be taken at face value - I wouldn't trust negotiators playing the media game from either side to tell the unvarnished truth, because they are negotiators. If agreements eventually get signed without all the movement from whichever side said was essential, they don't stand up and say 'Sorry, we were wrong'.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:
No - negotiators talk bullcrap whilst negotiations are going on. We should stop listening to the whole lot of them, from both sides.
If the EU are of the view that a deal with the UK is a nice thing to have, but not worth contaminating their single market for, they have the sovereign freedom to choose that course. They may be chumps and ninnies for that (though they're probably not) but it's their choice, and ultimately there's a low limit on what the UK can do about that.1 -
Just seen this in the Guardian.
"On Friday the central Spanish region of Castilla-La Mancha is expected to go further by shutting a sector that has slipped through the cracks to remain open: strip clubs and brothels.
The move comes after a brothel in the region reported an outbreak of eight positive cases among its staff, according to the news website ElDiario.es. Amid difficulties in tracking down patrons, government officials are urging them to get tested."
Just imagine the excuses!1 -
Is it "black" - because if so it's like the pre-maroon one, not the "blue" the government were wittering about.Gallowgate said:Just got my new black Brexit passport. It’s pretty naff quality compared to my one from 2010.
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Yeah black!CarlottaVance said:
Is it "black" - because if so it's like the pre-maroon one, not the "blue" the government were wittering about.Gallowgate said:Just got my new black Brexit passport. It’s pretty naff quality compared to my one from 2010.
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I had a bad cold. I was feeling a little whore's twice that day...OldKingCole said:Just seen this in the Guardian.
"On Friday the central Spanish region of Castilla-La Mancha is expected to go further by shutting a sector that has slipped through the cracks to remain open: strip clubs and brothels.
The move comes after a brothel in the region reported an outbreak of eight positive cases among its staff, according to the news website ElDiario.es. Amid difficulties in tracking down patrons, government officials are urging them to get tested."
Just imagine the excuses!1 -
So basically the women knew they had to work twice as hard for the exams to overcome the sexist bias at the interview stage.Alistair said:This is a fairly compelling argument for the existence of institutional sexism in France
https://twitter.com/mslapointe/status/1296154229695029249?s=19
On the upside for the fellas, any heterosexual man in the 20% is going to enjoy his time at university. (I chose my college on the basis of its more favourable sex ratio, which certainly worked out for me).0 -
I expect that to get a tart response!ydoethur said:
I had a bad cold. I was feeling a little whore's twice that day...OldKingCole said:Just seen this in the Guardian.
"On Friday the central Spanish region of Castilla-La Mancha is expected to go further by shutting a sector that has slipped through the cracks to remain open: strip clubs and brothels.
The move comes after a brothel in the region reported an outbreak of eight positive cases among its staff, according to the news website ElDiario.es. Amid difficulties in tracking down patrons, government officials are urging them to get tested."
Just imagine the excuses!0 -
Principles like "absolutely no cherry picking, now about those fish . . ." ?malcolmg said:
UK cannot imagine that someone may have principles and want to stick to them even if they can make more money being unprincipled venal creeps.Stuartinromford said:
It's never been good/bad, or nice/nasty. It's always been about power (and that's true on both sides; remember "we hold all the cards"?)RobD said:
EU good, UK bad. That's all you need to know.kle4 said:
Quite. I really do not understand why any comments from the EU on negotiations is treated as gospel truth or automatically to be taken at face value - I wouldn't trust negotiators playing the media game from either side to tell the unvarnished truth, because they are negotiators. If agreements eventually get signed without all the movement from whichever side said was essential, they don't stand up and say 'Sorry, we were wrong'.CarlottaVance said:
What the feck is "maintaining access to UK fishing waters" if not "Cherry Picking"?Scott_xP said:
No - negotiators talk bullcrap whilst negotiations are going on. We should stop listening to the whole lot of them, from both sides.
If the EU are of the view that a deal with the UK is a nice thing to have, but not worth contaminating their single market for, they have the sovereign freedom to choose that course. They may be chumps and ninnies for that (though they're probably not) but it's their choice, and ultimately there's a low limit on what the UK can do about that.1 -
It is not getting into bed with the Tories, there will be no Tory government at Holyrood next year almost certainly, it is about an Alliance to save the Union.OldKingCole said:
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
And if Scotland goes it is Armageddon for Labour, as the current polls show without Scottish MPs supporting him Starmer has near zero chance of becoming PM in 2024, the Tories will comfortably win a majority again0 -
Although because I'm jammy I may get away with it.Foxy said:
I expect that to get a tart response!ydoethur said:
I had a bad cold. I was feeling a little whore's twice that day...OldKingCole said:Just seen this in the Guardian.
"On Friday the central Spanish region of Castilla-La Mancha is expected to go further by shutting a sector that has slipped through the cracks to remain open: strip clubs and brothels.
The move comes after a brothel in the region reported an outbreak of eight positive cases among its staff, according to the news website ElDiario.es. Amid difficulties in tracking down patrons, government officials are urging them to get tested."
Just imagine the excuses!0 -
Always nice to hear an emigrants view of the worldCarlottaVance said:
Not here it's not. They fined a hotel worker £2000 for stopping off in a shop on his way home to buy a bottle of water.ydoethur said:
Man's a fool. He should have said he was testing his eyesight, as apparently that's fine and dandy.CarlottaVance said:How you police a quarantine:
https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/08/20/three-breaches-of-isolation-law-leads-to-10000-fine/0 -
You are saying the SNP does not receive any of the same donors as the Scottish Greens or the Nationalist parties that will be standing on the list next year? In any case legally provided it is registered as a separate party it is legalCarnyx said:
Think about the funding and the Electoral Commission.HYUFD said:
The Alliance for the Union would be a different party set up solely for Holyrood next year registered separately.Carnyx said:
"the country".HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
And "seats form[er]ly held by Labour".
How far back do you want to go?
Also - what would you put on the electoral paper? You can't stand under two different names for the same party in the same election.
It would be the Unionist equivalent of the SNP on the constituency vote while the different current Unionist parties would all stand separately on the list against each other as different Nationalist parties will also stand separately on the list against the SNP0 -
Yes, I am very well paid to do a job that I really enjoy. It has been a great career, though not planning to retire for another 12 years.malcolmg said:
Has it worked FoxyFoxy said:
Indeed, I can highly comend it as an objective.TheScreamingEagles said:
What's wrong with making NHS doctors rich?DavidL said:
They certainly established that the most fundamental purpose of the NHS is to make doctors rich. Stuff their mouths with gold was the approach in the 1940s and ever since.
I speak from a position of pure impartiality on this.0 -
Not talking about donors but about the fact that it cannot be an alliance of existing parties. Which is what you have been going on about.HYUFD said:
You are saying the SNP does not receive any of the same donors as the Scottish Greens or the Nationalist parties that will be standing on the list next year? In any case legally provided it is registered as a separate party it is legalCarnyx said:
Think about the funding and the Electoral Commission.HYUFD said:
The Alliance for the Union would be a different party set up solely for Holyrood next year registered separately.Carnyx said:
"the country".HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
And "seats form[er]ly held by Labour".
How far back do you want to go?
Also - what would you put on the electoral paper? You can't stand under two different names for the same party in the same election.
It would be the Unionist equivalent of the SNP on the constituency vote while the different current Unionist parties would all stand separately on the list against each other as different Nationalist parties will also stand separately on the list against the SNP0 -
Good - sounds like the passport makers got it right, even if the government couldn't.Gallowgate said:
Yeah black!CarlottaVance said:
Is it "black" - because if so it's like the pre-maroon one, not the "blue" the government were wittering about.Gallowgate said:Just got my new black Brexit passport. It’s pretty naff quality compared to my one from 2010.
0 -
The only really weak polls for Biden there are Trafalgar and Rasmussen - they're both very heavily pro-GOP pollsters (eg Rasmussen has Trump's approval on 51%, way ahead of everyone else). There was another GOP pollster recently also getting very strong Trump numbers in swing states, and it turned out to be a couple of weeks old, and they'd sat on it until now. So there has to be the suspicion that even if the polls Trafalgar etc released are legit, they sat on any state polls they might have done that didn't help put a damper on Biden's conference.NickPalmer said:I'm not into daily poll hysteria. but most of the last 7 US polls are a bit lacklustre for Biden:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Let's hope the convention and well-received final speeches give a boost.0 -
I see you are on the game today.ydoethur said:
Although because I'm jammy I may get away with it.Foxy said:
I expect that to get a tart response!ydoethur said:
I had a bad cold. I was feeling a little whore's twice that day...OldKingCole said:Just seen this in the Guardian.
"On Friday the central Spanish region of Castilla-La Mancha is expected to go further by shutting a sector that has slipped through the cracks to remain open: strip clubs and brothels.
The move comes after a brothel in the region reported an outbreak of eight positive cases among its staff, according to the news website ElDiario.es. Amid difficulties in tracking down patrons, government officials are urging them to get tested."
Just imagine the excuses!0 -
538 have a better track record than betfair, so probably value in laying Trump at the moment.CarlottaVance said:Analysts or punters?
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/1296740856905502720?s=200 -
What are you wittering on about?malcolmg said:
Always nice to here an emigrants view of the worldCarlottaVance said:
Not here it's not. They fined a hotel worker £2000 for stopping off in a shop on his way home to buy a bottle of water.ydoethur said:
Man's a fool. He should have said he was testing his eyesight, as apparently that's fine and dandy.CarlottaVance said:How you police a quarantine:
https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/08/20/three-breaches-of-isolation-law-leads-to-10000-fine/
https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1296740304205340673?s=200 -
Good to hear.Foxy said:
Yes, I am very well paid to do a job that I really enjoy. It has been a great career, though not planning to retire for another 12 years.malcolmg said:
Has it worked FoxyFoxy said:
Indeed, I can highly comend it as an objective.TheScreamingEagles said:
What's wrong with making NHS doctors rich?DavidL said:
They certainly established that the most fundamental purpose of the NHS is to make doctors rich. Stuff their mouths with gold was the approach in the 1940s and ever since.
I speak from a position of pure impartiality on this.0 -
Rasmussen had Hillary's popular vote lead as 2% in 2016 in its final poll, that was the result.edmundintokyo said:
The only really weak polls for Biden there are Trafalgar and Rasmussen - they're both very heavily pro-GOP pollsters (eg Rasmussen has Trump's approval on 51%, way ahead of everyone else). There was another GOP pollster recently also getting very strong Trump numbers in swing states, and it turned out to be a couple of weeks old, and they'd sat on it until now. So there has to be the suspicion that even if the polls Trafalgar etc released are legit, they sat on any state polls they might have done that didn't help put a damper on Biden's conference.NickPalmer said:I'm not into daily poll hysteria. but most of the last 7 US polls are a bit lacklustre for Biden:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Let's hope the convention and well-received final speeches give a boost.
Trafalgar Group were the only pollster in 2016 who forecast Trump would win Michigan and Pennsylvania0 -
Not really, the current polls are not a good guide to what will happen in 3-4 years. It's perfectly possible for Labour to win a majority without Scotland, as it did in 1997 and 2001. If Johnson presides over a bad Brexit, fucks up Covid and then loses the Northern colony then I'm not sure the Tories will prosper in 2024.HYUFD said:
It is not getting into bed with the Tories, there will be no Tory government at Holyrood next year almost certainly, it is about an Alliance to save the Union.OldKingCole said:
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
And if Scotland goes it is Armageddon for Labour, as the current polls show without Scottish MPs supporting him Starmer has near zero chance of becoming PM in 2024, the Tories will comfortably win a majority again0 -
Twice? Boasting!ydoethur said:
I had a bad cold. I was feeling a little whore's twice that day...OldKingCole said:Just seen this in the Guardian.
"On Friday the central Spanish region of Castilla-La Mancha is expected to go further by shutting a sector that has slipped through the cracks to remain open: strip clubs and brothels.
The move comes after a brothel in the region reported an outbreak of eight positive cases among its staff, according to the news website ElDiario.es. Amid difficulties in tracking down patrons, government officials are urging them to get tested."
Just imagine the excuses!0 -
There was something similar in Japan during the state of emergency period; There were clusters around brothels in Tokyo and Osaka, and many of them refused to close. Ultimately the Osaka red light district's "dining association" put out an order that everyone must closed or be expelled from the association. Once that order came down I think they all complied; Even if you're not worried about the health consequences of covid19, you'd worry about the health consequences of disobeying the "dining association".OldKingCole said:Just seen this in the Guardian.
"On Friday the central Spanish region of Castilla-La Mancha is expected to go further by shutting a sector that has slipped through the cracks to remain open: strip clubs and brothels.
The move comes after a brothel in the region reported an outbreak of eight positive cases among its staff, according to the news website ElDiario.es. Amid difficulties in tracking down patrons, government officials are urging them to get tested."
Just imagine the excuses!2 -
It would not be an alliance of existing parties but a completely new Unionist party. The existing parties would compete on the top up list.Carnyx said:
Not talking about donors but about the fact that it cannot be an alliance of existing parties. Which is what you have been going on about.HYUFD said:
You are saying the SNP does not receive any of the same donors as the Scottish Greens or the Nationalist parties that will be standing on the list next year? In any case legally provided it is registered as a separate party it is legalCarnyx said:
Think about the funding and the Electoral Commission.HYUFD said:
The Alliance for the Union would be a different party set up solely for Holyrood next year registered separately.Carnyx said:
"the country".HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
And "seats form[er]ly held by Labour".
How far back do you want to go?
Also - what would you put on the electoral paper? You can't stand under two different names for the same party in the same election.
It would be the Unionist equivalent of the SNP on the constituency vote while the different current Unionist parties would all stand separately on the list against each other as different Nationalist parties will also stand separately on the list against the SNP
I would prefer to beat the SNP democratically at Holyrood next year before having to go down the Madrid in Catalonia route given Boris has ruled out indyref2 as long as he is PM0 -
It's a reference to Blackadder II (Potato)OldKingCole said:
Twice? Boasting!ydoethur said:
I had a bad cold. I was feeling a little whore's twice that day...OldKingCole said:Just seen this in the Guardian.
"On Friday the central Spanish region of Castilla-La Mancha is expected to go further by shutting a sector that has slipped through the cracks to remain open: strip clubs and brothels.
The move comes after a brothel in the region reported an outbreak of eight positive cases among its staff, according to the news website ElDiario.es. Amid difficulties in tracking down patrons, government officials are urging them to get tested."
Just imagine the excuses!
Percy: I even touched her once.
Blackadder: Her what?
Percy: Her once. In the Corridor.
Blackadder: Never heard it called that before...When we get back, we'll be heroes. She might even let you get her hands on her twice!0 -
I think that by far the most likely outcome in the short term is that no progress is made until the very, very last minute (beginning of October), at which point the EU will present Boris with a 400-page document prepared by EU lawyers, and tell him to take it or leave it. If they are smart they'll include something minor but unacceptable which he can insist on being removed, to save face a bit, before he caves in.Cyclefree said:
Why do you say that?
In just over 4 months the transition period ends and no-one has any idea what is to replace it and precious little time to prepare for it - or any last-minute deal, if there is one.
That does not strike me as an optimal situation to be in, especially since we were repeatedly told about “oven-ready deals” and “getting Brexit done”.
There will, unless things change, be a leap into the unknown just after the end of furlough (and whatever that brings), let alone whatever other unknown unknowns life will throw at us.
On past form, neither Boris nor any other Brexiteers will read it properly anyway, they'll just skim through it.
Of course the text will be highly favourable to the EU. They are not daft, they don't owe us any favours, they know our negotiating position is incredibly weak, and Boris has with exceptional stupidity boxed himself in completely.
Following the end of the transition there will be a period of massive disruption anyway, irrespective of whether there is a deal or not, simply because there will no time for businesses and governments to put in place systems to deal with all the new red tape.
Once we've got past all that, and taken the entirely self-inflicted hit to the economy, things will settle down a bit but with reduced prosperity for the UK.
We'll then spend 10 to 15 years, hopefully with saner governments, trying to claw back a bit of the lost ground by reaching agreements with the EU on a whole range of issues from cabotage to security cooperation. The EU won't much like that, because it will lead to a fragmented and complex relationship rather like that they have with Switzerland, so I expect progress to be slow.
And all that's even without factoring in IndyRef2 and the Northern Ireland headache.
What an unholy mess.7 -
Only with a Blairite leader and Starmer may not be Corbyn but he is no Blairite either.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Not really, the current polls are not a good guide to what will happen in 3-4 years. It's perfectly possible for Labour to win a majority without Scotland, as it did in 1997 and 2001. If Johnson presides over a bad Brexit, fucks up Covid and then loses the Northern colony then I'm not sure the Tories will prosper in 2024.HYUFD said:
It is not getting into bed with the Tories, there will be no Tory government at Holyrood next year almost certainly, it is about an Alliance to save the Union.OldKingCole said:
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
And if Scotland goes it is Armageddon for Labour, as the current polls show without Scottish MPs supporting him Starmer has near zero chance of becoming PM in 2024, the Tories will comfortably win a majority again
If Scotland goes the Tories will be re elected whatever happens against Starmer in 20240 -
Michael Gove’s avengers assemble to stop Scottish independence.HYUFD said:
You are saying the SNP does not receive any of the same donors as the Scottish Greens or the Nationalist parties that will be standing on the list next year? In any case legally provided it is registered as a separate party it is legalCarnyx said:
Think about the funding and the Electoral Commission.HYUFD said:
The Alliance for the Union would be a different party set up solely for Holyrood next year registered separately.Carnyx said:
"the country".HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
And "seats form[er]ly held by Labour".
How far back do you want to go?
Also - what would you put on the electoral paper? You can't stand under two different names for the same party in the same election.
It would be the Unionist equivalent of the SNP on the constituency vote while the different current Unionist parties would all stand separately on the list against each other as different Nationalist parties will also stand separately on the list against the SNP
https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1296744702633480192/photo/10 -
Labour also won a comfortable majority in England in 2005 - 286 to 243. That was despite receiving fewer votes than the Tories.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Not really, the current polls are not a good guide to what will happen in 3-4 years. It's perfectly possible for Labour to win a majority without Scotland, as it did in 1997 and 2001. If Johnson presides over a bad Brexit, fucks up Covid and then loses the Northern colony then I'm not sure the Tories will prosper in 2024.HYUFD said:
It is not getting into bed with the Tories, there will be no Tory government at Holyrood next year almost certainly, it is about an Alliance to save the Union.OldKingCole said:
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
And if Scotland goes it is Armageddon for Labour, as the current polls show without Scottish MPs supporting him Starmer has near zero chance of becoming PM in 2024, the Tories will comfortably win a majority again0 -
Nick Palmer's thought was that the polls were weakening for Biden. That doesn't seem to be true across Rasmussen - Rasmussen always shows a low Biden lead - and Trafalgar hasn't been polling enough to say.HYUFD said:
Rasmussen had Hillary's popular vote lead as 2% in 2016 in its final poll, that was the result.edmundintokyo said:
The only really weak polls for Biden there are Trafalgar and Rasmussen - they're both very heavily pro-GOP pollsters (eg Rasmussen has Trump's approval on 51%, way ahead of everyone else). There was another GOP pollster recently also getting very strong Trump numbers in swing states, and it turned out to be a couple of weeks old, and they'd sat on it until now. So there has to be the suspicion that even if the polls Trafalgar etc released are legit, they sat on any state polls they might have done that didn't help put a damper on Biden's conference.NickPalmer said:I'm not into daily poll hysteria. but most of the last 7 US polls are a bit lacklustre for Biden:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Let's hope the convention and well-received final speeches give a boost.
Trafalgar Group were the only pollster in 2016 who forecast Trump would win Michigan and Pennsylvania
That's a separate question from whether the GOP-leaning pollsters are in fact correct.0 -
Always a sign you are really rattled when you stoop to Agent Pish.CarlottaVance said:
What are you wittering on about?malcolmg said:
Always nice to here an emigrants view of the worldCarlottaVance said:
Not here it's not. They fined a hotel worker £2000 for stopping off in a shop on his way home to buy a bottle of water.ydoethur said:
Man's a fool. He should have said he was testing his eyesight, as apparently that's fine and dandy.CarlottaVance said:How you police a quarantine:
https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/08/20/three-breaches-of-isolation-law-leads-to-10000-fine/
https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1296740304205340673?s=20
You denying you are an emigrant from both Scotland and Great Britain0 -
Your over-confidence is gratifying.HYUFD said:
Only with a Blairite leader and Starmer may not be Corbyn but he is no Blairite either.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Not really, the current polls are not a good guide to what will happen in 3-4 years. It's perfectly possible for Labour to win a majority without Scotland, as it did in 1997 and 2001. If Johnson presides over a bad Brexit, fucks up Covid and then loses the Northern colony then I'm not sure the Tories will prosper in 2024.HYUFD said:
It is not getting into bed with the Tories, there will be no Tory government at Holyrood next year almost certainly, it is about an Alliance to save the Union.OldKingCole said:
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
And if Scotland goes it is Armageddon for Labour, as the current polls show without Scottish MPs supporting him Starmer has near zero chance of becoming PM in 2024, the Tories will comfortably win a majority again
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There’s nothing “definite” about it. Things can change quickly, especially after something so fundamental to the national psyche as “losing half the nation”.HYUFD said:
Only with a Blairite leader and Starmer may not be Corbyn but he is no Blairite either.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Not really, the current polls are not a good guide to what will happen in 3-4 years. It's perfectly possible for Labour to win a majority without Scotland, as it did in 1997 and 2001. If Johnson presides over a bad Brexit, fucks up Covid and then loses the Northern colony then I'm not sure the Tories will prosper in 2024.HYUFD said:
It is not getting into bed with the Tories, there will be no Tory government at Holyrood next year almost certainly, it is about an Alliance to save the Union.OldKingCole said:
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
And if Scotland goes it is Armageddon for Labour, as the current polls show without Scottish MPs supporting him Starmer has near zero chance of becoming PM in 2024, the Tories will comfortably win a majority again
If Scotland goes the Tories will be re elected whatever happens against Starmer in 2024
We just don’t know.1 -
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Not over confidence, fact.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Your over-confidence is gratifying.HYUFD said:
Only with a Blairite leader and Starmer may not be Corbyn but he is no Blairite either.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Not really, the current polls are not a good guide to what will happen in 3-4 years. It's perfectly possible for Labour to win a majority without Scotland, as it did in 1997 and 2001. If Johnson presides over a bad Brexit, fucks up Covid and then loses the Northern colony then I'm not sure the Tories will prosper in 2024.HYUFD said:
It is not getting into bed with the Tories, there will be no Tory government at Holyrood next year almost certainly, it is about an Alliance to save the Union.OldKingCole said:
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
And if Scotland goes it is Armageddon for Labour, as the current polls show without Scottish MPs supporting him Starmer has near zero chance of becoming PM in 2024, the Tories will comfortably win a majority again
If Scotland goes the Tories will be re elected whatever happens against Starmer in 2024
If Scotland went it would be the final nail in the coffin for non Blairite Labour after the loss of the Red Wall, only twice since WW2 in 1945 and 1966 have Labour won a majority in England without Blair, the Tories would have won in 1964 and February 1974 without Scotland and Cameron in 2010 and May in 2017 would have won Tory majorities without Scottish MPs at Westminster0 -
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If Scotland went English voters would also have a Nationalist backlash in the Tories favour to ensure England got the best deal possible and no favours to Edinburgh and the SNP in independence talks with Labour squeezed againGallowgate said:
There’s nothing “definite” about it. Things can change quickly, especially after something so fundamental to the national psyche as “losing half the nation”.HYUFD said:
Only with a Blairite leader and Starmer may not be Corbyn but he is no Blairite either.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Not really, the current polls are not a good guide to what will happen in 3-4 years. It's perfectly possible for Labour to win a majority without Scotland, as it did in 1997 and 2001. If Johnson presides over a bad Brexit, fucks up Covid and then loses the Northern colony then I'm not sure the Tories will prosper in 2024.HYUFD said:
It is not getting into bed with the Tories, there will be no Tory government at Holyrood next year almost certainly, it is about an Alliance to save the Union.OldKingCole said:
But, given the recent history, no sane party leader is going to want to get into bed with the Tories. Shafted the LibDems when they were in Coalition, threw the Democratic Unionists under a bus over Brexit.HYUFD said:
Wrong not one poll has had only one Unionist Alliance Party at the constituency level up against the SNP.ydoethur said:
You're welcome to suggest it, but you're wrong. If that was the case, we would see it reflected in the polls.HYUFD said:
In the current scenario I would suggest most Unionists would happily vote for 1 sole Unionist Alliance candidate at the Holyrood constituency level and then for Scottish Labour, the Scottish Tories, the Scottish LDs or Galloway's new party on the Holyrood top up listydoethur said:
You are making the assumption that among unionists, voting for a generic unionist candidate is more important than voting on a range of other issues. In fact, that they are the simple opposite of Nationalists who will vote for the SNP regardless.HYUFD said:
No, he knows to beat the SNP divided Unionists fall, united Unionists win, certainly at the Holyrood constituency levelydoethur said:
Or possibly, he's just an idiot. 🤔HYUFD said:
Obviously Gove reads my PB posts....malcolmg said:How desperate can these crooks get...............
Gove enlists old enemies to help save the Union
Talks held with rivals including George Galloway
Michael Gove has held private talks with senior figures from across the political spectrum - including George Galloway - in an attempt to find a way to save the Union in the face of rising support for independence.
Discussions have taken place with a wide range of notable names including Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, the former Scottish Labour first minister, and Danny Alexander, the former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury. George Galloway, the socialist firebrand who is planning to run for Holyrood, has also been sounded out.
I would gently suggest that this is a very bold assumption.
A more likely effect of such a scenario is that the remaining chunk of Labour Sindy supporters would peal off to the SNP and magnify their victory.
I am sick to death of whinging like yours which plays into Nationalist hands and keeps Unionists divided, this is an election where the country must come first and that means a Unionist Alliance. In seats formally held by Labour the Unionist Alliance candidate would come from Labour and the Tories and LDs would stand down in their favour giving the Unionist Alliance an excellent chance to win a seat the SNP win with under 50% of the vote, even if a few Scottish Labour voters went SNP.
End of conversation
Especially when the party leader has the track record on honesty that the present one does.
And if Scotland goes it is Armageddon for Labour, as the current polls show without Scottish MPs supporting him Starmer has near zero chance of becoming PM in 2024, the Tories will comfortably win a majority again
If Scotland goes the Tories will be re elected whatever happens against Starmer in 2024
We just don’t know.0 -
Spanish brothels are fucking grim even for the battle tested libertine.OldKingCole said:Just seen this in the Guardian.
"On Friday the central Spanish region of Castilla-La Mancha is expected to go further by shutting a sector that has slipped through the cracks to remain open: strip clubs and brothels.
The move comes after a brothel in the region reported an outbreak of eight positive cases among its staff, according to the news website ElDiario.es. Amid difficulties in tracking down patrons, government officials are urging them to get tested."
Just imagine the excuses!0
