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Also a hefty dollop of hypnotism.noneoftheabove said:
I think an over reliance on magic would explain a lot about this government.Theuniondivvie said:
The world beating manufacturer of childish magical fantasy is a resident. Maybe that's what he means.noneoftheabove said:
Magic? Cant we focus on people, skills, resources, education, systems etc rather than magic?Scott_xP said:
Are there any good Scottish magicians anyway?
https://youtu.be/_aZ2bdnG97A0 -
Yes, it tends to be despots that want to leave - not democrats - which accounts for Gambia and South Africa rejoining.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Gambia left in 2013, but rejoined 2018.Casino_Royale said:
Leaving the Commonwealth by choice is very rare.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I didn't mean to imply it was. I meant that a leader who is pro removing the Monarchy may well be interested in leaving the Commonwealth as well, it doesn't seem a massive stretch to me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Removing the monarchy is not the same as leaving the commonwealthCorrectHorseBattery said:
Cos we're the UK and the UK is great.eek said:
Why would Canada, Australia and New Zealand want anything to do with the UK?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the bit I can't understand.
Don't mention that's it's not impossible New Zealand leaves the Commonwealth. Their PM is pro a referendum on removing the Monarchy, as is my understanding.
Which countries in the Commonwealth don't have the Monarchy?
Some nations do get kicked out when they reach pariah status, so it has a negative stigma associated with it.
It's probably seen to be more progressive to be in it than out of it.
The Maldives left in 2016, but rejoined this February.
Pakistan left in 1972, but rejoined in 1989.
SA left in 1961 but rejoined in 1994.
Zimbabwe left in 2003, and hasn't rejoined.
Zimbabwe was effectively thrown out.0 -
There will always be those who disagree - on both sides.williamglenn said:
Your former leader IDS disagrees.Casino_Royale said:My sense is Brexit is starting to settle down as an issue now.
The question is whether it continues to be the central fulcrum of British politics.0 -
Thankyou.Nigelb said:
LOL.Mexicanpete said:
Not long to have to suffer IDS. Chingford goes red in 2024.Nigelb said:
Another of Brexit’s negatives - we again have to pay attention to his maunderings.williamglenn said:IDS says we should be ready to “reject the WA”:
“ The WA was always work in progress as at the end of this year, the UK has a right to a comprehensive agreement, one which treats the UK as a sovereign partner. A failure to observe this must lead to a rejection of the WA.”
https://twitter.com/mpiainds/status/1292705604612640770?s=21
P.S. I am still waiting for an apology for your assertion yesterday that I was both a Tory and a Brexiteer, after a post from Marquee Mark that related the Claire Fox issue to Brexit. It wasn't me guv'.
Apologies, I hadn't noticed (and in my defence, I was replying to a series of posts of which MM's was the first).
I am more than happy to acknowledge you do not espouse such ludicrous views.
Two insults that cut me to the quick!0 -
"Yes, he lies. But he’s honest, he’s authentic, he’s real."Nigelb said:Another good Applebaum article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/how-beat-populists-when-facts-dont-matter/615082/
I'm glad I'm not running focus groups with these voters. I'd be sorely tempted to throttle them.0 -
Or perhaps no one has told Dom that this is fiction ?Theuniondivvie said:
The world beating manufacturer of childish magical fantasy is a resident. Maybe that's what he means.noneoftheabove said:
Magic? Cant we focus on people, skills, resources, education, systems etc rather than magic?Scott_xP said:
Are there any good Scottish magicians anyway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Strange_&_Mr_Norrell0 -
If he tries that then Chinese citizens simply wouldn’t be allowed to operate in Western countries in retaliation, which they need to do for their economy.Nigelb said:The capacity for dissent is rapidly being eliminated in Hong Kong.
(And note that any of us who make disparaging comments about the totalitarian shit Xi would also be subject to the national security law should we subsequently travel to China/Hong Kong.)
https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1292800475646001153
So, I think it’s a bluff.0 -
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.2 -
Busy trying to work before I melt, but just a note on the EHIC and related stuff:
We always needed travel insurance for the EU, including healthcare coverage.
Ages ago one item that surprised me was when I read about the EHIC. Travel insurance was still strongly advised a decade ago because the EHIC isn't magic. It doesn't give you free medical treatment. From memory (and I reserve the right to be wrong because it was a long time ago) it offers equal treatment to citizens of a country. So if Greece charges for a helicopter ambulance you can still end up thousands in the red with your shiny EHIC.
Even if we end up returning to the EU, travellers should have health insurance as part of their travel provisions.0 -
This first generation of satellites don’t have it but the idea is that satellites will communicate with each other with laser technology, beating out competition even for long distance sub sea cables. Speed of light being quicker in a vacuum than in glass.CorrectHorseBattery said:
15-25ms isn't bad but I'll believe the coverage and speeds when I see it.Malmesbury said:
15 - 25ms - That's the point of the ultra-low earth orbits.CorrectHorseBattery said:
What's the latency like? It will be useless for teleconferencing if it's highmoonshine said:
Everything in the UK south of 52° north will have access to the SpaceX Starlink system by next year-ish (a line roughly Ipswich to Gloucester) and the whole country perhaps a year later. Should substantially lower the bar that has to be hit for FTTP. Though remains to be seen what the upload speeds will be like from the Starlink user terminals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
An early test was SpaceX employees playing first person shooter games over Starlink.
The coverage bottleneck is at this point essentially a function of how cheaply they can scale the launch process. At the moment it’s 60 satellites with a partially reusable rocket once or twice a month, depending on the requirements for flight infrastructure to the ISS.
As and when the Starship programme is completed, it will be 10x that number of satellites per launch in a fully reusable rocket, potentially using the same vehicle multiple times per day.
It never fails to blow my mind how such an extraordinary venture as SpaceX that will change so much, is so little followed and understood.1 -
My sense is it is just beginning.Casino_Royale said:My sense is Brexit is starting to settle down as an issue now.
Which is why the Brexiteers are now whining about it so vocally.0 -
Hmmm decided to do a thought experiment
only 5% of homes according to ofcom can't get >30 mbps broadband
In the last 8 years I have lived in 4 different locations in town all with different post codes
The chances of none of those houses getting superfast broadband(I arrange my own when I move in and always go for fastest I can get) is therefore
0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 or in odds 160,000 to 1
I guess I must be super unlucky or I was correct and the stats are dodgy0 -
I don't know where you get that idea from.Scott_xP said:
My sense is it is just beginning.Casino_Royale said:My sense is Brexit is starting to settle down as an issue now.
Which is why the Brexiteers are now whining about it so vocally.2 -
IDS?Casino_Royale said:
I don't know where you get that idea from.Scott_xP said:
My sense is it is just beginning.Casino_Royale said:My sense is Brexit is starting to settle down as an issue now.
Which is why the Brexiteers are now whining about it so vocally.0 -
NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....0 -
The fact that we are all dying of some dreadful pox has taken the sting out of the Brexit tail. It will start hurting again when we realise what we have done in January 2021. I predict Brexit fury will return around this time next year.Casino_Royale said:
My sense is Brexit is starting to settle down as an issue now.noneoftheabove said:
Independence is not binary either, we are still dependent on some things post Brexit and we were mostly independent pre brexit. We were certainly more stable and prosperous pre Brexit as well, and probably we will have to disagree on the democratic, but people on all sides (for differing reasons) of Brexit debate have viewed our democratic institutions with heightened contempt since we started this journey.Luckyguy1983 said:
Given that those are both extreme ends of a spectrum, I'm not sure why you think a binary choice between the two is necessary.No_Offence_Alan said:
Yes, the Brexiteers need to make up their minds betweenPulpstar said:
We can't exist as Juche Britain, so closer links with CANZUK, India, the USA are and always were the necessary corollary to moving away from the EU. This is that fact being applied in practise.eek said:
Why would Canada, Australia and New Zealand want anything to do with the UK?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the bit I can't understand.
I know you're not a fan of the current form of Brexit, but what were you expecting with *any* Brexit.
"slap on the tariffs to protect British industry and agriculture" and
"zero tariffs so we can buy lots of cheap stuff".
Regarding the wider point about CANZUK, we do have a lot in common with those other countries, and it would be lovely to think we might help each other more in the future, but I don't see that we should jump into a new union having just left one, nor do I see why those countries should alter their geopolitical plans just because we've decoupled from the EU and we're on the market.
I simply want us to operate as a stable, democratic, and prosperous independent nation. I have not seen a shred of evidence that we cannot do that.
I think it will be rapidly overtaken by culture war conflicts, climate change challenges, and geopolitical security issues in the next year or so.0 -
This. a surprising number of people don't realise that other people fund their national healthcare via different mechanisms. Not having insurance in some countries is the act of the very foolish, the very poor or the very rich.Morris_Dancer said:Busy trying to work before I melt, but just a note on the EHIC and related stuff:
We always needed travel insurance for the EU, including healthcare coverage.
Ages ago one item that surprised me was when I read about the EHIC. Travel insurance was still strongly advised a decade ago because the EHIC isn't magic. It doesn't give you free medical treatment. From memory (and I reserve the right to be wrong because it was a long time ago) it offers equal treatment to citizens of a country. So if Greece charges for a helicopter ambulance you can still end up thousands in the red with your shiny EHIC.
Even if we end up returning to the EU, travellers should have health insurance as part of their travel provisions.1 -
Geography matters. The UK hasn't partcipated in major defence exercise with Australia in 15 years ( Pitch Black 2006) because it's ruinously expensive to despatch a meaningful force.Casino_Royale said:
I disagree.Dura_Ace said:
Australia's most important security relationship is the USA (by a very long way) then a second tier of India, Japan and Singapore. Then France (Shortfin Barracuda). The UK and Aus do have a joint F-35 data management facility but the US made us locate it in Florida to troll us.Casino_Royale said:
There's probably more synergy between those nations and the UK on security and foreign policy than there is between the UK and the EU member states.eek said:
Why would Canada, Australia and New Zealand want anything to do with the UK?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the bit I can't understand.
Australia's strategic threats are China and Indonesia. The UK's are Russia and (apparently) refugees in kayaks. It's hard to see the opportunities for significant co-operation.
To the extent that they care NZ have a security relationship with Aus and that's it.
Australia and the UK maintain very close ties through Five Eyes. We are both part of the five power agreement too, which includes Singapore, Malaysia and NZ. We also collaborate closely on China - which poses a threat to us all - and, indeed, Russia.
You’re not correct on your defence procurement either - the Australian Navy has ordered up to 9 ships based on our Type 26 frigate design. The Royal Canadian Navy has too. To argue the UK is at the bottom of a long list, beneath India, Singapore and France, stretches credibility to its limits.
Australia and the UK share interests in open and free trade and making the world safe for liberal democracies. That, together with the similarities in values, overrides matters of pure geography - even though it’s true to say the US will always be able to offer more in terms of hard military defence to them than we can.
The UK's new defence bestest friends based on actual activity seems to be Qatar and Israel. Both countries share Johnson's fascination with flags so those relationships are based on genuine shared values rather than the retrogressive and ultimately futile Empire 2.0 construction.1 -
Visit speedtest.net and do a speed check there.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Virgin promise me 350 Mbps and that's generally what I receive.0 -
FTTC is dependant on line quality and suffers from all manner of problems, including but not limited to interference from neighbouring pairs.
The more customers that have it, the slower the speeds get. I am not joking, lines literally interfere with each other.
Unless you're lucky enough to have vectoring, which somewhat reduces the problem but it was never widely rolled out.
FTTC's baseline is about reaching the 10Mbps minimum USO, which pretty much fits in with what @Pagan2 has found.0 -
NHS Hospital numbers out
Headline - 6
7 days - 3
Yesterday - 2
3-5 days & Weekend effects.....
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Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
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Ha, I'd forgotten that one.Nigelb said:
Or perhaps no one has told Dom that this is fiction ?Theuniondivvie said:
The world beating manufacturer of childish magical fantasy is a resident. Maybe that's what he means.noneoftheabove said:
Magic? Cant we focus on people, skills, resources, education, systems etc rather than magic?Scott_xP said:
Are there any good Scottish magicians anyway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Strange_&_Mr_Norrell
Enjoyed the book, tv series was a bit meh.0 -
They have a point with Trump. He lies, but you can probably tell his real thoughts on any given issue far more accurately than you could Hillary Clinton's real thoughts, as opposed to her professional thoughts, despite her lying far less.kinabalu said:
"Yes, he lies. But he’s honest, he’s authentic, he’s real."Nigelb said:Another good Applebaum article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/how-beat-populists-when-facts-dont-matter/615082/
I'm glad I'm not running focus groups with these voters. I'd be sorely tempted to throttle them.
The same definitely does not apply to BJ.1 -
I live amongst mountains and my neighbours are sheep, yet I have a synchronous gigabit connection thanks to https://b4rn.org.uk/Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
I can also confirm that it delivers up to its promises.1 -
I'm thankful that Scott is expressing his own ideas - the accuracy is neither here nor there.Casino_Royale said:
I don't know where you get that idea from.Scott_xP said:
My sense is it is just beginning.Casino_Royale said:My sense is Brexit is starting to settle down as an issue now.
Which is why the Brexiteers are now whining about it so vocally.2 -
Can't you just use speedtest.net mate to check the speed?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?0 -
Regarding the Ethernet issue (which is what you need to connect it to the router), you'll need a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor.https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=thunderbolt+to+ethernet+adapter&crid=157BDFKXPXFNL&sprefix=thunderbolt+to+e,aps,148&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_16
About £25.0 -
Ethernet supports 1Gb and beyond, you don't need to wire your house with fibre.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
You're right with regards to WiFi, although you could max out 300Mbps with AC WiFi depending on how far you were away from it.
What I am discussing is the connection coming into the home, which you say is 300Mbps? Is this Virgin, BT?
G.Fast can do 300Mbps if you're right next to the cabinet, sounds like it's FTTP though.0 -
Speedtest.net (by Ookla) is the one I already use. I`ve just tested again, a metre from the router, and it measured 92.1Mbps download, 94.1 Upload. (That`s at the highest end of what I measure - must be a good day.)TheScreamingEagles said:
Visit speedtest.net and do a speed check there.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Virgin promise me 350 Mbps and that's generally what I receive.
Then I walked 15 metres from router to kitchen, tested again, and got 23.2 download, 17.3 upload.0 -
I'm not knocking copper in general, over a short distance and properly isolated it's good, it can support 10Gb with little trouble.
For a broadband rollout though, it's useless. And should have been conspired to the bin at least a decade ago.
But BT was allowed to sweat its assets, again.0 -
WiFi is your bottleneck.Stocky said:
Speedtest.net (by Ookla) is the one I already use. I`ve just tested again, a metre from the router, and it measured 92.1Mbps download, 94.1 Upload. (That`s at the highest end of what I measure - must be a good day.)TheScreamingEagles said:
Visit speedtest.net and do a speed check there.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Virgin promise me 350 Mbps and that's generally what I receive.
Then I walked 15 metres from router to kitchen, tested again, and got 23.2 download, 17.3 upload.
If you can hardwire in - using the advice I suggested above - would be interested to see what you get.
My assumption is it would be the full amount.0 -
Isn't the point that you could access those services?Pagan2 said:Hmmm decided to do a thought experiment
only 5% of homes according to ofcom can't get >30 mbps broadband
In the last 8 years I have lived in 4 different locations in town all with different post codes
The chances of none of those houses getting superfast broadband(I arrange my own when I move in and always go for fastest I can get) is therefore
0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 or in odds 160,000 to 1
I guess I must be super unlucky or I was correct and the stats are dodgy
Not that the home came with them pre-installed.0 -
Blimey, you know your stuff CHB. I`m useless at this shit.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Ethernet supports 1Gb and beyond, you don't need to wire your house with fibre.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
You're right with regards to WiFi, although you could max out 300Mbps with AC WiFi depending on how far you were away from it.
What I am discussing is the connection coming into the home, which you say is 300Mbps? Is this Virgin, BT?
G.Fast can do 300Mbps if you're right next to the cabinet, sounds like it's FTTP though.
I`m with Gigaclear. Fibre direct to house. You could choose, I think, speeds of 30, 300 or 900. I went for the middle package.1 -
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
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It is a vast tragedy, going almost unnoticed because CovidNigelb said:The capacity for dissent is rapidly being eliminated in Hong Kong.
(And note that any of us who make disparaging comments about the totalitarian shit Xi would also be subject to the national security law should we subsequently travel to China/Hong Kong.)
https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/12928004756460011530 -
"But then there’s a second thing we’ve got to do and that is to look at the legal framework that we have that means that when people do get here, it is very, very difficult to then send them away again even though blatantly they’ve come here illegally,” Mr Johnson added.
Okay change asylum law then? Jesus Christ what a moron.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-08-10/migrant-crossings-bad-stupid-dangerous-and-criminal-thing-to-do-says-prime-minister-boris-johnson
I actually somewhat agree we need to stop the journeys in the first place - but then he goes into UKIP-lite/focus group mode.0 -
Speedtest.net is useful, but the browser apparently compromises the results. Via Firefox I get 778mbps down and 557mbps up, whereas if I use Speedtest.net's app I get 896mbps down and 847mbps up.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Can't you just use speedtest.net mate to check the speed?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?0 -
And I'm useless at Commonwealth knowledge, we all have our strengths.Stocky said:
Blimey, you know your stuff CHB. I`m useless at this shit.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Ethernet supports 1Gb and beyond, you don't need to wire your house with fibre.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
You're right with regards to WiFi, although you could max out 300Mbps with AC WiFi depending on how far you were away from it.
What I am discussing is the connection coming into the home, which you say is 300Mbps? Is this Virgin, BT?
G.Fast can do 300Mbps if you're right next to the cabinet, sounds like it's FTTP though.
I`m with Gigaclear. Fibre direct to house. You could choose, I think, speeds of 30, 300 or 900. I went for the middle package.
I'm afraid to say you're not the first Gigaclear customer I have heard is let down by the router.
FTTH as you have is good though, I'm sorry the Wi-Fi lets it down.
You could install a WiFi access point, or use powerline networking. There are ways around your router issue although it shouldn't be up to you to do it.1 -
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.0 -
But, that might be the dog that doesn't bark.Mexicanpete said:
The fact that we are all dying of some dreadful pox has taken the sting out of the Brexit tail. It will start hurting again when we realise what we have done in January 2021. I predict Brexit fury will return around this time next year.Casino_Royale said:
My sense is Brexit is starting to settle down as an issue now.noneoftheabove said:
Independence is not binary either, we are still dependent on some things post Brexit and we were mostly independent pre brexit. We were certainly more stable and prosperous pre Brexit as well, and probably we will have to disagree on the democratic, but people on all sides (for differing reasons) of Brexit debate have viewed our democratic institutions with heightened contempt since we started this journey.Luckyguy1983 said:
Given that those are both extreme ends of a spectrum, I'm not sure why you think a binary choice between the two is necessary.No_Offence_Alan said:
Yes, the Brexiteers need to make up their minds betweenPulpstar said:
We can't exist as Juche Britain, so closer links with CANZUK, India, the USA are and always were the necessary corollary to moving away from the EU. This is that fact being applied in practise.eek said:
Why would Canada, Australia and New Zealand want anything to do with the UK?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the bit I can't understand.
I know you're not a fan of the current form of Brexit, but what were you expecting with *any* Brexit.
"slap on the tariffs to protect British industry and agriculture" and
"zero tariffs so we can buy lots of cheap stuff".
Regarding the wider point about CANZUK, we do have a lot in common with those other countries, and it would be lovely to think we might help each other more in the future, but I don't see that we should jump into a new union having just left one, nor do I see why those countries should alter their geopolitical plans just because we've decoupled from the EU and we're on the market.
I simply want us to operate as a stable, democratic, and prosperous independent nation. I have not seen a shred of evidence that we cannot do that.
I think it will be rapidly overtaken by culture war conflicts, climate change challenges, and geopolitical security issues in the next year or so.0 -
Yes - that's why it's off my travel list. The FCO should advise against all travel to Hong Kong because of the risk (as Canada has done). Imagine being charged in a system with a 99%+ conviction rate.Nigelb said:
And note that any of us who make disparaging comments about the totalitarian shit Xi would also be subject to the national security law should we subsequently travel to China/Hong Kong0 -
The point is in none of these houses was I able to get this 30mbps broadband speed that ofcom claims 95% have access too. In each case I had the fastest that was available at that address and only in my current address have I managed to get over 10.Grandiose said:
Isn't the point that you could access those services?Pagan2 said:Hmmm decided to do a thought experiment
only 5% of homes according to ofcom can't get >30 mbps broadband
In the last 8 years I have lived in 4 different locations in town all with different post codes
The chances of none of those houses getting superfast broadband(I arrange my own when I move in and always go for fastest I can get) is therefore
0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 or in odds 160,000 to 1
I guess I must be super unlucky or I was correct and the stats are dodgy
Not that the home came with them pre-installed.
I suspect ofcom have done calculations like this this cabinet has fttc and supplies 100 homes so 100 homes have access to 80mbps. Whereas in truth maybe 20 do and the rest get a lot lower due to copper length0 -
WiFi is a bit misleading speed wise.
I am connecting to the AP next to me at 702Mbps (maximum theoretical on this is 867) but in real life I can probably only achieve half of that at absolute best.
For me it doesn't matter, I max out my 50Mbps FTTC connection.0 -
Cat 6 cabling should support 10 *Gig* speeds. You only need fibre inside your house if it has timezones between the servants quarters and the main ballroom.....Gadfly said:
I live amongst mountains and my neighbours are sheep, yet I have a synchronous gigabit connection thanks to https://b4rn.org.uk/Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
I can also confirm that it delivers up to its promises.0 -
Probably. I dont think many would be shocked.Theuniondivvie said:Is Guido the canary down the coal mine of Tory Unionism?
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1292781804760510467?s=200 -
Fast.com run by Netflix (who likely have a CDN on your ISP's network depending on size), is another decent one.Gadfly said:
Speedtest.net is useful, but the browser apparently compromises the results. Via Firefox I get 778mbps down and 557mbps up, whereas if I use Speedtest.net's app I get 896mbps down and 847mbps up.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Can't you just use speedtest.net mate to check the speed?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
Or you could just download a file from say thinkbroadband.com and check the speed directly.
Fast.com is probably the most useful, since it shows a speed you'd achieve for Netflix.0 -
Well of course he disagrees, it's the only thing that keeps him relevant. That lot never really wanted the issue settled.williamglenn said:
Your former leader IDS disagrees.Casino_Royale said:My sense is Brexit is starting to settle down as an issue now.
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Can probably do 100Gb at short distance as well.Malmesbury said:
Cat 6 cabling should support 10 *Gig* speeds. You only need fibre inside your house if it has timezones between the servants quarters and the main ballroom.....Gadfly said:
I live amongst mountains and my neighbours are sheep, yet I have a synchronous gigabit connection thanks to https://b4rn.org.uk/Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
I can also confirm that it delivers up to its promises.
I am not aware of ethernet being the bottleneck for any connection at present.0 -
Same grounds does not mean the grounds have the same amount of weight as context and circumstances are different.Fysics_Teacher said:
Guido is very keen on Brexit, and the Scottish Independence is justifiable on exactly they same grounds.Theuniondivvie said:Is Guido the canary down the coal mine of Tory Unionism?
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1292781804760510467?s=20
Some will believe the weight is still sufficient to go ahead and fair enough, but merely because similar arguments may be employed does not mean the arguments are necessarily as persuasive.0 -
Brexit is well down on it's peak (45% -30% from September 2019) - but still No.3 after "Health" and "The Economy":Casino_Royale said:
I don't know where you get that idea from.Scott_xP said:
My sense is it is just beginning.Casino_Royale said:My sense is Brexit is starting to settle down as an issue now.
Which is why the Brexiteers are now whining about it so vocally.
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There is the very, very slight indication that infections have started to grow again in Sweden.0
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https://genexis.eu/content/uploads/2016/03/DRG-QIG-rev1.3.pdfStocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.
It supports 1Gb ethernet so you'd max out your connection if you wired in. Ironically you wouldn't be able to use the full 1Gb service if you had that due to overheads, you'd be stuck around 900Mbps.
https://www.davidmarlowphotography.com/section850030_352763.html
I can't find any info on the WiFi speeds from it but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's either fast N, so 300Mbps maximum, or AC so 878Mbps or faster.
It just looks a bit rubbish to be honest.
If it were me, I'd buy another WiFi access point, plug it in and use the WiFi on that instead.0 -
They are claiming to use 802.11ac in a mesh..... which in theory could be ok.Stocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.
What do you get with the laptop resting on the router? :-)0 -
Bluffs often work. Especially when backed up by arguments of pragmatic working with rising or existing powers.Casino_Royale said:
If he tries that then Chinese citizens simply wouldn’t be allowed to operate in Western countries in retaliation, which they need to do for their economy.Nigelb said:The capacity for dissent is rapidly being eliminated in Hong Kong.
(And note that any of us who make disparaging comments about the totalitarian shit Xi would also be subject to the national security law should we subsequently travel to China/Hong Kong.)
https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1292800475646001153
So, I think it’s a bluff.0 -
Wrong response.williamglenn said:0 -
Mesh with a single router? How would that workMalmesbury said:
They are claiming to use 802.11ac in a mesh..... which in theory could be ok.Stocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.
What do you get with the laptop resting on the router? :-)0 -
I agree that scrabbling around for alliances that make less sense than the one we are (sort of) leaving is silly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Given that those are both extreme ends of a spectrum, I'm not sure why you think a binary choice between the two is necessary.No_Offence_Alan said:
Yes, the Brexiteers need to make up their minds betweenPulpstar said:
We can't exist as Juche Britain, so closer links with CANZUK, India, the USA are and always were the necessary corollary to moving away from the EU. This is that fact being applied in practise.eek said:
Why would Canada, Australia and New Zealand want anything to do with the UK?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the bit I can't understand.
I know you're not a fan of the current form of Brexit, but what were you expecting with *any* Brexit.
"slap on the tariffs to protect British industry and agriculture" and
"zero tariffs so we can buy lots of cheap stuff".
Regarding the wider point about CANZUK, we do have a lot in common with those other countries, and it would be lovely to think we might help each other more in the future, but I don't see that we should jump into a new union having just left one, nor do I see why those countries should alter their geopolitical plans just because we've decoupled from the EU and we're on the market.
I simply want us to operate as a stable, democratic, and prosperous independent nation. I have not seen a shred of evidence that we cannot do that.
Brexit has taken a tremendous toll in time and energy and so having done it we should now make damn sure it was worth it.
This means (i) staying as unentangled from others as possible and (ii) enacting some radical political and economic policies which would have been verboten as EU members. Which in turn means veering sharply right or sharply left. Pirate Island - bonfire of regs and red tape, slash taxes, spending cuts, privatize public services, small libertarian state. Or Socialistic Island - state direction of investment, big interventionist government, high tax & spend, egalitarian social and education policy, no trident. It's a big and clear choice and we need to have the balls to make it.
If we chicken out of either, decide to just muddle along as a bog standard, prosperous but declining Western European liberal, market based but highly regulated mixed economy, doing nothing that we could not have done in the EU other than a different immigration policy and (eventually) a few trade deals, the whole Brexit project will have been in practice rather pointless.1 -
Covids been a real godsend for the CCP. Its enabled them to delay elections that would have likely gone badly and by the time they happen they'll have had a year to beat down the objectors to the security law.LadyG said:
It is a vast tragedy, going almost unnoticed because CovidNigelb said:The capacity for dissent is rapidly being eliminated in Hong Kong.
(And note that any of us who make disparaging comments about the totalitarian shit Xi would also be subject to the national security law should we subsequently travel to China/Hong Kong.)
https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/12928004756460011530 -
My biggest fear they go after Taiwan.kle4 said:
Covids been a real godsend for the CCP. Its enabled them to delay elections that would have likely gone badly and by the time they happen they'll have had a year to beat down the objectors to the security law.LadyG said:
It is a vast tragedy, going almost unnoticed because CovidNigelb said:The capacity for dissent is rapidly being eliminated in Hong Kong.
(And note that any of us who make disparaging comments about the totalitarian shit Xi would also be subject to the national security law should we subsequently travel to China/Hong Kong.)
https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1292800475646001153
Possibly under the pretext as humanitarian aid to help them.
Possibly with the support of Trump.0 -
Yet hes careful to say allegations rather than incidents.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Wrong response.williamglenn said:0 -
That's my router. It delivers the gigabit goods with my hardwired PC but the WiFi is slightly weaker than the BT Smart Hub that preceded it.Stocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.0 -
Thomas the Rhymer and Coinneach Odhar the Brahan Seer - perhaps more prophets admittedly. But some key works about magic and traditions thereof - James VI, Scott, Brewster (rational explanations).noneoftheabove said:
Magic? Cant we focus on people, skills, resources, education, systems etc rather than magic?Scott_xP said:
Are there any good Scottish magicians anyway?
But a more immediate connotation of 'magic' is the hundreds of (mostly) women who were tagged as witches and died in the C16-C18 moral panics. Not a happy one for Mr Johnson.
Edit: Aleister Crowley moved up to Scotland, briefly I think. But, like Master Potter, hw was English and a product of the English public school system.0 -
The maths is ok if you chose five random homes in the UK (or whatever area the OfCom stat applies to). If, as implied, they were all in the same town then not random and the maths is nonsense - it's likely that the whole town (or much of it) has poor connectivity. The connectivity map will be lumpy.Pagan2 said:Hmmm decided to do a thought experiment
only 5% of homes according to ofcom can't get >30 mbps broadband
In the last 8 years I have lived in 4 different locations in town all with different post codes
The chances of none of those houses getting superfast broadband(I arrange my own when I move in and always go for fastest I can get) is therefore
0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 or in odds 160,000 to 1
I guess I must be super unlucky or I was correct and the stats are dodgy0 -
They are flogging a built in wifi mesh solution - don't know if the OP has gone for that....CorrectHorseBattery said:
Mesh with a single router? How would that workMalmesbury said:
They are claiming to use 802.11ac in a mesh..... which in theory could be ok.Stocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.
What do you get with the laptop resting on the router? :-)0 -
I have OpenReach FTTP and it’s pretty useless. There’s very few options - basically BT Infinity and nowt much else so the price is high. I have the lowest speed/cheapest price I have £30 a month for 50 mb/s ish? Video conferencing, Netflix streaming, etc works fine.
I don’t notice any difference to my previous house which had normal copper. Obviously it is future proof though.0 -
D10 is the anti-China grouping. Unfortunately Germany and Italy aren't considered reliable partners in the new cold war against China. I'm very worried that Biden will unwind all of the anti-China moves that Trump has put in place, if he pursues an Obama style policy then it will be just a few years before China has economic hegemony over Europe.Casino_Royale said:
I've read a lot about a D10 (democracy 10) alliance building on Five Eyes for democratic global security.Pulpstar said:
We can't exist as Juche Britain, so closer links with CANZUK, India, the USA are and always were the necessary corollary to moving away from the EU. This is that fact being applied in practise.eek said:
Why would Canada, Australia and New Zealand want anything to do with the UK?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the bit I can't understand.
I know you're not a fan of the current form of Brexit, but what were you expecting with *any* Brexit.
If I understand it correctly it's the G7 countries- Japan, Italy, Germany, France, UK, US and Canada, and three others - India, South Korea and Australia.0 -
Just did a Speed Test over WiFi and I’m getting 75 mbps down and 20 mbps up.0
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"What we can learn from the Swedish paradox
There's nothing libertarian about this country. So why the laissez-faire response to Covid-19?
BY FREDDIE SAYERS"
https://unherd.com/2020/08/why-sweden-is-different-when-it-comes-to-covid/0 -
Apologies if I have missed it, but have we heard any more about the person who was driving the car, or indeed the ownership of the car?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Wrong response.williamglenn said:
If I were a writer of thrillers, which I am not, there could be a story line where the driver was a member of a gang of drug dealers, and the car had already been used for some illicit purpose. They would be the ocus of police interest. The gang would have ensnared the politician into going along with them, in order to make a scene if they were apprehended, and to allow the gang to proceed undisturbed.
In other countries it is not unknown for politicians to be in the pay of criminal gangs, and this seems much more plausible to me than that the police were deliberately profiling racial minority MPs. It would make a much better story too.
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I know people with B4RN connection and the Genexis DRG 7820 who have fitted Mesh systems. My understanding is that one of the Mesh boxes plugs into the router, then the other boxes talk to that.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Mesh with a single router? How would that workMalmesbury said:
They are claiming to use 802.11ac in a mesh..... which in theory could be ok.Stocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.
What do you get with the laptop resting on the router? :-)
I personally use a reconfigured BT routers, which are either hardwired back to the Genexis or daisy-chained to other BT boxes, and it all works well enough.0 -
I was told its because Sweden is, like, more spaced out than what we are.Andy_JS said:"What we can learn from the Swedish paradox
There's nothing libertarian about this country. So why the laissez-faire response to Covid-19?
BY FREDDIE SAYERS"
https://unherd.com/2020/08/why-sweden-is-different-when-it-comes-to-covid/0 -
Wouldn`t the WiFi access point be plugged into the router and therefore suffer the same limitations of the router?CorrectHorseBattery said:
https://genexis.eu/content/uploads/2016/03/DRG-QIG-rev1.3.pdfStocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.
It supports 1Gb ethernet so you'd max out your connection if you wired in. Ironically you wouldn't be able to use the full 1Gb service if you had that due to overheads, you'd be stuck around 900Mbps.
https://www.davidmarlowphotography.com/section850030_352763.html
I can't find any info on the WiFi speeds from it but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's either fast N, so 300Mbps maximum, or AC so 878Mbps or faster.
It just looks a bit rubbish to be honest.
If it were me, I'd buy another WiFi access point, plug it in and use the WiFi on that instead.0 -
TalkTalk are doing the same price for more, I'd switch or haggle.Gallowgate said:I have OpenReach FTTP and it’s pretty useless. There’s very few options - basically BT Infinity and nowt much else so the price is high. I have the lowest speed/cheapest price I have £30 a month for 50 mb/s ish? Video conferencing, Netflix streaming, etc works fine.
I don’t notice any difference to my previous house which had normal copper. Obviously it is future proof though.0 -
If the democrats sweep the presidency, the house and the senate, America will turn into a very, very different place to that we have known since Pearl Harbour pitched the country into war.MaxPB said:
D10 is the anti-China grouping. Unfortunately Germany and Italy aren't considered reliable partners in the new cold war against China. I'm very worried that Biden will unwind all of the anti-China moves that Trump has put in place, if he pursues an Obama style policy then it will be just a few years before China has economic hegemony over Europe.Casino_Royale said:
I've read a lot about a D10 (democracy 10) alliance building on Five Eyes for democratic global security.Pulpstar said:
We can't exist as Juche Britain, so closer links with CANZUK, India, the USA are and always were the necessary corollary to moving away from the EU. This is that fact being applied in practise.eek said:
Why would Canada, Australia and New Zealand want anything to do with the UK?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the bit I can't understand.
I know you're not a fan of the current form of Brexit, but what were you expecting with *any* Brexit.
If I understand it correctly it's the G7 countries- Japan, Italy, Germany, France, UK, US and Canada, and three others - India, South Korea and Australia.
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I get 50Mbps from BT Infinity, copper to house, presumably FTTC somewhere down the road.Gadfly said:
That's my router. It delivers the gigabit goods with my hardwired PC but the WiFi is slightly weaker than the BT Smart Hub that preceded it.Stocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.0 -
No no, I get that, with multiple APs/routers I see how that works. But with one router by definition it's not mesh, it sounds like marketing rubbish.Gadfly said:
I know people with B4RN connection and the Genexis DRG 7820 who have fitted Mesh systems. My understanding is that one of the Mesh boxes plugs into the router, then the other boxes talk to that.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Mesh with a single router? How would that workMalmesbury said:
They are claiming to use 802.11ac in a mesh..... which in theory could be ok.Stocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.
What do you get with the laptop resting on the router? :-)
I personally use a reconfigured BT routers, which are either hardwired back to the Genexis or daisy-chained to other BT boxes, and it all works well enough.0 -
Foxy was calling for that just last week.CarlottaVance said:0 -
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The view from my window right now... and we get 1,000 Mbps upload and download and latency of 1ms... all thanks to our FTTP community project at an investment of £600per property... for which we pay £30 per month incl VAT...
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In quite a lot of cases, the "modem" bit is fine - it's cheap, standard tech. It's the Wifi that is shit.Stocky said:
Wouldn`t the WiFi access point be plugged into the router and therefore suffer the same limitations of the router?CorrectHorseBattery said:
https://genexis.eu/content/uploads/2016/03/DRG-QIG-rev1.3.pdfStocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.
It supports 1Gb ethernet so you'd max out your connection if you wired in. Ironically you wouldn't be able to use the full 1Gb service if you had that due to overheads, you'd be stuck around 900Mbps.
https://www.davidmarlowphotography.com/section850030_352763.html
I can't find any info on the WiFi speeds from it but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's either fast N, so 300Mbps maximum, or AC so 878Mbps or faster.
It just looks a bit rubbish to be honest.
If it were me, I'd buy another WiFi access point, plug it in and use the WiFi on that instead.
Which I why I suggested doing a wired test first....
Good Wifi is expensive, requiring good design, components and manufacturing.
Their site claims that they are using 802.11ac - which should be capable of what they claim.... *should*0 -
Which doesn't change the point that the stats ofcom are pushing are obviously wrong as lots of towns people report the same problem getting this mythical superfast broadband. It would only take 33 towns like mine to go over that 5% value and thats before you even dip into rural areas.Selebian said:
The maths is ok if you chose five random homes in the UK (or whatever area the OfCom stat applies to). If, as implied, they were all in the same town then not random and the maths is nonsense - it's likely that the whole town (or much of it) has poor connectivity. The connectivity map will be lumpy.Pagan2 said:Hmmm decided to do a thought experiment
only 5% of homes according to ofcom can't get >30 mbps broadband
In the last 8 years I have lived in 4 different locations in town all with different post codes
The chances of none of those houses getting superfast broadband(I arrange my own when I move in and always go for fastest I can get) is therefore
0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 or in odds 160,000 to 1
I guess I must be super unlucky or I was correct and the stats are dodgy
If consumers in a highly built up town on the outskirts of London can't get superfast then what chance have smaller market towns
https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/broadband-map#6/51.414/-0.641/uso/
open that and check the 2 to 10 mbps check box then tell me all those hotspots only represent 5%0 -
It's the only strategy that makes sense. Nicola has put better branding on a frankly awful performance with the virus and allowed for Rishi to pick up the bill an independent Scotland would never be able to afford. The exam stuff is just the latest fuck up, it's just that the compliant media have finally noticed she's a useless incompetent.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LabourList/status/1292823014086762498
Going for the SNP now.1 -
If your laptop is also 8.2.11ac capable and the MIMO gods are smiling upon youMalmesbury said:In quite a lot of cases, the "modem" bit is fine - it's cheap, standard tech. It's the Wifi that is shit.
Which I why I suggested doing a wired test first....
Good Wifi is expensive, requiring good design, components and manufacturing.
Their site claims that they are using 802.11ac - which should be capable of what they claim.... *should*0 -
A friend who was black was drivingClippP said:
Apologies if I have missed it, but have we heard any more about the person who was driving the car, or indeed the ownership of the car?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Wrong response.williamglenn said:
If I were a writer of thrillers, which I am not, there could be a story line where the driver was a member of a gang of drug dealers, and the car had already been used for some illicit purpose. They would be the ocus of police interest. The gang would have ensnared the politician into going along with them, in order to make a scene if they were apprehended, and to allow the gang to proceed undisturbed.
In other countries it is not unknown for politicians to be in the pay of criminal gangs, and this seems much more plausible to me than that the police were deliberately profiling racial minority MPs. It would make a much better story too.0 -
We have BT Whole Home plugged into our B4RN router which receives at 1,000mbps... then we have one other BT Whole Home connected by Ethernet to the far end of the building, where there is a three foot stone wall in between... and another dish upstairs in the main part... close to the dishes gets you c. 450mbps on an iPad Pro and the furthest point c. 250mbps... cost was £175 for the BT Whole Home...Malmesbury said:
In quite a lot of cases, the "modem" bit is fine - it's cheap, standard tech. It's the Wifi that is shit.Stocky said:
Wouldn`t the WiFi access point be plugged into the router and therefore suffer the same limitations of the router?CorrectHorseBattery said:
https://genexis.eu/content/uploads/2016/03/DRG-QIG-rev1.3.pdfStocky said:
Thanks for your help, but simple stuff first! You`ve lost me already.Malmesbury said:
Simple stuff to start with - is your WiFi 802.11g or 802.11n?Stocky said:
Router is supplied by the broadband company (Gigaclear) and there is no option to have another router.Malmesbury said:NHS hospital
Check your router - it may be shit.Stocky said:
That is slightly misleading. Our superfast broadband package is for 300Mbps, i.e. that`s what I`m paying for, but I have no way of evidencing this as measurement on my devices, which rely on an element of wifi, measure 5 to 65Mbps (depending on the particular room in the house I am in).Grandiose said:
Ofcome reckon 55% of homes have access to 300Mbps if they want it, which is good enough for this generation.Pagan2 said:
FTTP would be a far better investment than hs2CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be honest I still to this day don't know why the Government didn't mandate BDUK was FTTP only but for some reason they took BT's word for it.Fysics_Teacher said:
And now you are teaching me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
FTTC has a limit of about ~79Mbps, if you're within a couple of hundred metres of the cabinet. As you get further away the speed drops.Fysics_Teacher said:
I have FTTC and I normally get a pretty good service. I’m not trying to stream 4k video though.CorrectHorseBattery said:Something that would get great applause from me would be a coherent FTTP strategy from the Government, unfortunately so far I have not seen one.
FTTP should be a USO and a right for all, just as a copper telephone line is. We should jolly well do the investment now and not have to worry about it again.
FTTC and G.Fast have shown themselves to be complete and and utter waste of time and money. And at least Openreach has accepted that.
Frankly I don't care if Openreach is the supplier or not - although I think the Government should own any investment it makes, with some kind of partial ownership - but we really do need to get on and sort this out.
What speed are you getting?
Anything above about 1KM away, it becomes fairly useless.
Even 80Mbps isn't going to be sufficient in under a decade's time, my point is that FTTC is a poor technology because it was an (expensive) stopgap.
G.Fast was just the same, although to their credit Openreach saw fit to stop it after a small-ish rollout.
If we'd done FTTP from 2008 onwards as we should have done, we'd be in a much better position now.
In my parents village in the countryside, FTTC has barely helped at all, most properties are simply too far away to benefit.
BT is a business, their asset is literally copper. It was obvious they were going to try and use it for as long as possible.
Such a missed opportunity.
If Boris Johnson has 80%+ FTTP coverage by 2024 I will be astonished but also he will have a round of applause from me.
This is genuinely the best investment they could make alongside housing.
I suppose I could have access to 300Mbps, if I hard-wired every room of my house. But this is not practical and costly - and still wouldn`t achieve 300Mbps as the hardwiring would be copper not fibre.
Check the wifi capability of the router - that may be shit.
As a start, plug a laptop into the router (with an actual cable) and check.
Getting 300Mbps over Wifi would require some nice kit....
The only laptop we have in the house is my wife`s fucking Mac which doesn`t support the lead necessary to plug it in the router.
I`ve called Gigaclear a couple of times and they assure me I`m getting 300Mbps but it is disconcerting that I can`t check.
If a visitor, say, had a non Apple laptop I could borrow to test router I think I`m right in saying that this may not be reliable as each device has it`s own limit - is this correct?
The following is a rough guide
You can plug a better wifi unit into the device they supply, if you want to.
Each device has it's own limits, yes.
You can buy an adapter for your Apple laptop to ethernet cable, from Amazon - unless you spend a zillion at the Apple store.
I recommend having one, if your are 100% Apple... either that or buy a really long ethernet cable to connect a PC in for testing purposes. Always good to have a way to hard connect...
Our router is a Genexis DRG 7820 if that helps.
It supports 1Gb ethernet so you'd max out your connection if you wired in. Ironically you wouldn't be able to use the full 1Gb service if you had that due to overheads, you'd be stuck around 900Mbps.
https://www.davidmarlowphotography.com/section850030_352763.html
I can't find any info on the WiFi speeds from it but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's either fast N, so 300Mbps maximum, or AC so 878Mbps or faster.
It just looks a bit rubbish to be honest.
If it were me, I'd buy another WiFi access point, plug it in and use the WiFi on that instead.
Which I why I suggested doing a wired test first....
Good Wifi is expensive, requiring good design, components and manufacturing.
Their site claims that they are using 802.11ac - which should be capable of what they claim.... *should*0 -
Last time I could switch TalkTalk could not serve my property for whatever reason. Same with all the other normal “uses BT copper” companies.CorrectHorseBattery said:
TalkTalk are doing the same price for more, I'd switch or haggle.Gallowgate said:I have OpenReach FTTP and it’s pretty useless. There’s very few options - basically BT Infinity and nowt much else so the price is high. I have the lowest speed/cheapest price I have £30 a month for 50 mb/s ish? Video conferencing, Netflix streaming, etc works fine.
I don’t notice any difference to my previous house which had normal copper. Obviously it is future proof though.
I could choose between BT Infinity and BT Infinity.0 -
I'd love to believe this. But I doubt it. Best we can hope for is to drain a little of the poison.contrarian said:
If the democrats sweep the presidency, the house and the senate, America will turn into a very, very different place to that we have known since Pearl Harbour pitched the country into war.MaxPB said:
D10 is the anti-China grouping. Unfortunately Germany and Italy aren't considered reliable partners in the new cold war against China. I'm very worried that Biden will unwind all of the anti-China moves that Trump has put in place, if he pursues an Obama style policy then it will be just a few years before China has economic hegemony over Europe.Casino_Royale said:
I've read a lot about a D10 (democracy 10) alliance building on Five Eyes for democratic global security.Pulpstar said:
We can't exist as Juche Britain, so closer links with CANZUK, India, the USA are and always were the necessary corollary to moving away from the EU. This is that fact being applied in practise.eek said:
Why would Canada, Australia and New Zealand want anything to do with the UK?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the bit I can't understand.
I know you're not a fan of the current form of Brexit, but what were you expecting with *any* Brexit.
If I understand it correctly it's the G7 countries- Japan, Italy, Germany, France, UK, US and Canada, and three others - India, South Korea and Australia.0 -
A stunning new development in the modus operandi of Ian Murray. Next he'll be telling everyone how awful Jezza was.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LabourList/status/1292823014086762498
Going for the SNP now.1 -
I bloody love PB.
First we had @eek and @Sandpit explaining, in terms even I could understand, the issue with the track and trace app.
And now we have @CorrectHorseBattery and @Malmesbury (among others) explaining the world of wifi, speeds, and routers.
To say nothing of @Dura_Ace's speaking in tongues about car specs.
And @HYUFD's general adoration of the Conservative Party.
Good stuff.3 -
I'm not sure it's incompetence or just the fact that every decision made by her Government is designed not to benefit the Scottish people but to drive a wedge between Scotland and England.MaxPB said:
It's the only strategy that makes sense. Nicola has put better branding on a frankly awful performance with the virus and allowed for Rishi to pick up the bill an independent Scotland would never be able to afford. The exam stuff is just the latest fuck up, it's just that the compliant media have finally noticed she's a useless incompetent.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LabourList/status/1292823014086762498
Going for the SNP now.0 -
No, that’s the Yorkshire-Lancaster border on the top of the nearest hill and if you screw your eyes up you can just about see Southern Lakeland hills about 45 miles away...kinabalu said:
There's no people. None at all.Rexel56 said:
The view from my window right now... and we get 1,000 Mbps upload and download and latency of 1ms... all thanks to our FTTP community project at an investment of £600per property... for which we pay £30 per month incl VAT...1 -
I don't think LLU providers have full access to the FTTP network. It's why the big ones are partnering with smaller players to build their own network.Gallowgate said:
Last time I could switch TalkTalk could not serve my property for whatever reason. Same with all the other normal “uses BT copper” companies.CorrectHorseBattery said:
TalkTalk are doing the same price for more, I'd switch or haggle.Gallowgate said:I have OpenReach FTTP and it’s pretty useless. There’s very few options - basically BT Infinity and nowt much else so the price is high. I have the lowest speed/cheapest price I have £30 a month for 50 mb/s ish? Video conferencing, Netflix streaming, etc works fine.
I don’t notice any difference to my previous house which had normal copper. Obviously it is future proof though.
I could choose between BT Infinity and BT Infinity.0 -
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So is a prolapsed haemorrhoid.kinabalu said:
"Yes, he lies. But he’s honest, he’s authentic, he’s real."Nigelb said:Another good Applebaum article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/how-beat-populists-when-facts-dont-matter/615082/1 -
Very recent, I think they launched in the last month or so.Gallowgate said:
Last time I could switch TalkTalk could not serve my property for whatever reason. Same with all the other normal “uses BT copper” companies.CorrectHorseBattery said:
TalkTalk are doing the same price for more, I'd switch or haggle.Gallowgate said:I have OpenReach FTTP and it’s pretty useless. There’s very few options - basically BT Infinity and nowt much else so the price is high. I have the lowest speed/cheapest price I have £30 a month for 50 mb/s ish? Video conferencing, Netflix streaming, etc works fine.
I don’t notice any difference to my previous house which had normal copper. Obviously it is future proof though.
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Brilliant piece.Andy_JS said:"What we can learn from the Swedish paradox
There's nothing libertarian about this country. So why the laissez-faire response to Covid-19?
BY FREDDIE SAYERS"
https://unherd.com/2020/08/why-sweden-is-different-when-it-comes-to-covid/
I'm moving to the Stockholm archipelago!!!1 -
Why?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Wrong response.williamglenn said:1
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