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Newport Beach is in the top 50 richest zip codes in the whole USA, if it is not super rich barely anywhere isCharles said:
Super rich is buying a $2m home for your teenage kids to hang out in when they want a good time...Alistair said:
That's not super rich level in California.HYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
https://namecensus.com/money/wealth/tables/100_income_zip_codes-10000.html0 -
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Until 1992 California usually did vote Republican at Presidential elections. Is the pendulum now swinging back to them there?Foxy said:
Part of the increased efficacy of the Dem vote is that California is one of the few states shifting more Republican. Not that it will come close to winning.HYUFD said:
I don't think Trump will win OC by a landslide as he will counties in West Virginia for example but he will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 is all I am sayingSeaShantyIrish2 said:
True - and this list is filled with counties that were once Republican strongholds BUT have been trending Democratic for some time - a trend that Trumpsky did NOT cause but has accelerated.HYUFD said:
In 2011 Orange County had the 64th highest average household income in the US by county out of 3411 counties in total. Putting it comfortably in the top 5% of the richest US countiesSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Orange Co has 88 zip codes. And while $90k in indeed a high level of median household income, there is also a pretty wide inequality gap between richer & poorer residents.HYUFD said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ocregister.com/2017/12/19/8-orange-county-zips-in-top-100-priciest-for-u-s-home-sales/amp/SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
As these groups will tend to balance each other, think middle-income suburban voters will be decisive in OC as across US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States
So wither OC? We shall see!1 -
No it doesn't, state control of the economy = socialismSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!0 -
He was last heard of being tiring on to the TubeLadyG said:
Fuck. Did he die?!Alphabet_Soup said:0 -
Straw men. As usual.Charles said:
That’s older than the data referred to in the UnHerd article I posted.Carnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
But it was also only 28% opposed to the monarchy (41%+27% ambivalent are content with the status quo) 😉
You asserted “affection”. Reluctant, minority support does not equal affection.0 -
Sunil = mammalSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
Pangolin = mammal
SUNIL = PANGOLIN
Undistributed middle = FALLACY!0 -
In 2016, CA state senate district that includes Palm Springs area, and gerrymandered to take in best GOP turf in Riverside County, votedLadyG said:
The richest place I have seen in California, in terms of luxury minus urban grime (a problem across America) is Indian Wells, Palm Springs.Alistair said:
That's not super rich level in California.HYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
Even there, I got a sense of mild malaise. They have so much money they install exquisite fountains on streetcorners that no one will see (because everyone drives in air con due to the heat) and yet, no.
It was like Monte Carlo with an invisible mould. And Monte Carlo is already quite gouty.
For balance, London now feels like New York City in about 1972
Trump 48.5% Clinton 46.7% Johnson 3.1% Stein 1.3% La Riva 0.3%
Further note while Trump won Indian Wells, La Quinta and Palm Desert (the last narrowly) he LOST Rancho Mirage (where Jerry Ford retired to), Desert Hot Springs, Palm Springs, Indio, Cathedral City and Coachella.1 -
Do you have any actual evidence that Sunil is not a bat?IshmaelZ said:
Sunil = mammalSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
Pangolin = mammal
SUNIL = PANGOLIN
Undistributed middle = FALLACY!0 -
I'll do the Venn diagrams and get back to you on that.rcs1000 said:
Do you have any actual evidence that Sunil is not a bat?IshmaelZ said:
Sunil = mammalSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
Pangolin = mammal
SUNIL = PANGOLIN
Undistributed middle = FALLACY!0 -
Doubt he's ever been to Louisville, much less born there.rcs1000 said:
Do you have any actual evidence that Sunil is not a bat?IshmaelZ said:
Sunil = mammalSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
Pangolin = mammal
SUNIL = PANGOLIN
Undistributed middle = FALLACY!0 -
Slightlyjustin124 said:
Until 1992 California usually did vote Republican at Presidential elections. Is the pendulum now swinging back to them there?Foxy said:
Part of the increased efficacy of the Dem vote is that California is one of the few states shifting more Republican. Not that it will come close to winning.HYUFD said:
I don't think Trump will win OC by a landslide as he will counties in West Virginia for example but he will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 is all I am sayingSeaShantyIrish2 said:
True - and this list is filled with counties that were once Republican strongholds BUT have been trending Democratic for some time - a trend that Trumpsky did NOT cause but has accelerated.HYUFD said:
In 2011 Orange County had the 64th highest average household income in the US by county out of 3411 counties in total. Putting it comfortably in the top 5% of the richest US countiesSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Orange Co has 88 zip codes. And while $90k in indeed a high level of median household income, there is also a pretty wide inequality gap between richer & poorer residents.HYUFD said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ocregister.com/2017/12/19/8-orange-county-zips-in-top-100-priciest-for-u-s-home-sales/amp/SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
As these groups will tend to balance each other, think middle-income suburban voters will be decisive in OC as across US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States
So wither OC? We shall see!
https://twitter.com/plural_vote/status/1289998242373963779?s=090 -
It's a fascinating and gorgeous part of the world. I love that desert heat throbbing off the mountains. I was there last year just before Coachella. The girls! My god.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In 2016, CA state senate district that includes Palm Springs area, and gerrymandered to take in best GOP turf in Riverside County, votedLadyG said:
The richest place I have seen in California, in terms of luxury minus urban grime (a problem across America) is Indian Wells, Palm Springs.Alistair said:
That's not super rich level in California.HYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
Even there, I got a sense of mild malaise. They have so much money they install exquisite fountains on streetcorners that no one will see (because everyone drives in air con due to the heat) and yet, no.
It was like Monte Carlo with an invisible mould. And Monte Carlo is already quite gouty.
For balance, London now feels like New York City in about 1972
Trump 48.5% Clinton 46.7% Johnson 3.1% Stein 1.3% La Riva 0.3%
Further note while Trump won Indian Wells, La Quinta and Palm Desert (the last narrowly) he LOST Rancho Mirage (where Jerry Ford retired to), Desert Hot Springs, Palm Springs, Indio, Cathedral City and Coachella.
Palm Springs town centre is, however, to my mind, emblematic of America's urban problems. If this was a city in Spain or Portugal or Greece (similar climate) it would have endless tavernas under the palms, lots of cool marble boulevards, a culture of urban wandering.
Instead it has about three nervous streetcorners with open air bars, surrounded by overwide streets blighted by drug addicts and dereliction. It is a place you don't want to walk through to get nowhere.
It's mad. America is so rich. Why can't America sort out its town centres? Abolish the fucking cars. House the junkies. Be Barcelona. Not Caracas.1 -
If you are measuring income you are not super rich.HYUFD said:
Newport Beach is in the top 50 richest zip codes in the whole USA, if it is not super rich barely anywhere isCharles said:
Super rich is buying a $2m home for your teenage kids to hang out in when they want a good time...Alistair said:
That's not super rich level in California.HYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
https://namecensus.com/money/wealth/tables/100_income_zip_codes-10000.html
(Although I note that Palos Verdes and the neighbouring Pacific Palisades are significantly higher than Newport Beach. Additionally my vow that Summit is the only place in New Jersey I would consider living is justified...)0 -
Trump did win Indian Wells two-to-one.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In 2016, CA state senate district that includes Palm Springs area, and gerrymandered to take in best GOP turf in Riverside County, votedLadyG said:
The richest place I have seen in California, in terms of luxury minus urban grime (a problem across America) is Indian Wells, Palm Springs.Alistair said:
That's not super rich level in California.HYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
Even there, I got a sense of mild malaise. They have so much money they install exquisite fountains on streetcorners that no one will see (because everyone drives in air con due to the heat) and yet, no.
It was like Monte Carlo with an invisible mould. And Monte Carlo is already quite gouty.
For balance, London now feels like New York City in about 1972
Trump 48.5% Clinton 46.7% Johnson 3.1% Stein 1.3% La Riva 0.3%
Further note while Trump won Indian Wells, La Quinta and Palm Desert (the last narrowly) he LOST Rancho Mirage (where Jerry Ford retired to), Desert Hot Springs, Palm Springs, Indio, Cathedral City and Coachella.0 -
Gerrymandered by the Democrats to try and reduce the chance of the GOP winning other seats!SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In 2016, CA state senate district that includes Palm Springs area, and gerrymandered to take in best GOP turf in Riverside County, votedLadyG said:
The richest place I have seen in California, in terms of luxury minus urban grime (a problem across America) is Indian Wells, Palm Springs.Alistair said:
That's not super rich level in California.HYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
Even there, I got a sense of mild malaise. They have so much money they install exquisite fountains on streetcorners that no one will see (because everyone drives in air con due to the heat) and yet, no.
It was like Monte Carlo with an invisible mould. And Monte Carlo is already quite gouty.
For balance, London now feels like New York City in about 1972
Trump 48.5% Clinton 46.7% Johnson 3.1% Stein 1.3% La Riva 0.3%
Further note while Trump won Indian Wells, La Quinta and Palm Desert (the last narrowly) he LOST Rancho Mirage (where Jerry Ford retired to), Desert Hot Springs, Palm Springs, Indio, Cathedral City and Coachella.0 -
Cali certainly does stand out on this map.Foxy said:
Slightlyjustin124 said:
Until 1992 California usually did vote Republican at Presidential elections. Is the pendulum now swinging back to them there?Foxy said:
Part of the increased efficacy of the Dem vote is that California is one of the few states shifting more Republican. Not that it will come close to winning.HYUFD said:
I don't think Trump will win OC by a landslide as he will counties in West Virginia for example but he will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 is all I am sayingSeaShantyIrish2 said:
True - and this list is filled with counties that were once Republican strongholds BUT have been trending Democratic for some time - a trend that Trumpsky did NOT cause but has accelerated.HYUFD said:
In 2011 Orange County had the 64th highest average household income in the US by county out of 3411 counties in total. Putting it comfortably in the top 5% of the richest US countiesSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Orange Co has 88 zip codes. And while $90k in indeed a high level of median household income, there is also a pretty wide inequality gap between richer & poorer residents.HYUFD said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ocregister.com/2017/12/19/8-orange-county-zips-in-top-100-priciest-for-u-s-home-sales/amp/SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
As these groups will tend to balance each other, think middle-income suburban voters will be decisive in OC as across US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States
So wither OC? We shall see!
https://twitter.com/plural_vote/status/1289998242373963779?s=090 -
USA Dem Veep betting. Kamala Harris now odds-on.
Kamala Harris: 1.87
Susan Rice: 6.4
Karen Bass: 9.6
Tammy Duckworth: 11
Elizabeth Warren: 20
Michelle Obama: 27
Val Demings: 36
Gretchen Whitmer: 60
Hillary Clinton: 130
Michelle Lujan Grisham: 130
Keisha Lance Bottoms: 170
Stacey Abrams: 200
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You are just about the only person flip flopping about more rapidly than our government.LadyG said:
it's pretty conclusive now. We should have done Sweden. It hurts and people die, but it hurts and people die, anyway. The opposite reaction, the scaredy-cat Spain, Merkel, New Zealand, Sturgeon, belated-Boris reaction, guarantees total economic collapse and ensures nothing anywayisam said:Not sure working age is 0-64, but still...
https://twitter.com/haraldofw/status/1289667984315875328?s=21
Unless you have an East Asian economy where everyone already wears masks0 -
I have never denied the pulchritude of the axolotlIanB2 said:
You are just about the only person flip flopping about more rapidly than our government.LadyG said:
it's pretty conclusive now. We should have done Sweden. It hurts and people die, but it hurts and people die, anyway. The opposite reaction, the scaredy-cat Spain, Merkel, New Zealand, Sturgeon, belated-Boris reaction, guarantees total economic collapse and ensures nothing anywayisam said:Not sure working age is 0-64, but still...
https://twitter.com/haraldofw/status/1289667984315875328?s=21
Unless you have an East Asian economy where everyone already wears masks0 -
Yes.Carnyx said:
transitive vs intransitive is a change of usage surely?Scott_xP said:
Hate to puncture your bubble, but it's always been a verb...TOPPING said:Fuckin Hell.
The BBC have only gone and verbed puncture.
"Hamilton's team-mate Valtteri Bottas also punctured, two laps earlier, which dropped him out of the points."0 -
We already know that you are a twat. That didn’t need any discussion.LadyG said:
I have never denied the pulchritude of the axolotlIanB2 said:
You are just about the only person flip flopping about more rapidly than our government.LadyG said:
it's pretty conclusive now. We should have done Sweden. It hurts and people die, but it hurts and people die, anyway. The opposite reaction, the scaredy-cat Spain, Merkel, New Zealand, Sturgeon, belated-Boris reaction, guarantees total economic collapse and ensures nothing anywayisam said:Not sure working age is 0-64, but still...
https://twitter.com/haraldofw/status/1289667984315875328?s=21
Unless you have an East Asian economy where everyone already wears masks
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I know some of those words.LadyG said:
I have never denied the pulchritude of the axolotlIanB2 said:
You are just about the only person flip flopping about more rapidly than our government.LadyG said:
it's pretty conclusive now. We should have done Sweden. It hurts and people die, but it hurts and people die, anyway. The opposite reaction, the scaredy-cat Spain, Merkel, New Zealand, Sturgeon, belated-Boris reaction, guarantees total economic collapse and ensures nothing anywayisam said:Not sure working age is 0-64, but still...
https://twitter.com/haraldofw/status/1289667984315875328?s=21
Unless you have an East Asian economy where everyone already wears masks0 -
Have you ever considered the concept of homo-erotic obsession? As a sapphic painter of the NEWT I kindly suggest you have a weird monomaniaIanB2 said:
We already know that you are a twat. That didn’t need any discussion.LadyG said:
I have never denied the pulchritude of the axolotlIanB2 said:
You are just about the only person flip flopping about more rapidly than our government.LadyG said:
it's pretty conclusive now. We should have done Sweden. It hurts and people die, but it hurts and people die, anyway. The opposite reaction, the scaredy-cat Spain, Merkel, New Zealand, Sturgeon, belated-Boris reaction, guarantees total economic collapse and ensures nothing anywayisam said:Not sure working age is 0-64, but still...
https://twitter.com/haraldofw/status/1289667984315875328?s=21
Unless you have an East Asian economy where everyone already wears masks-1 -
Maryland is pink too fwiw, and the grey states have no comparator.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Cali certainly does stand out on this map.Foxy said:
Slightlyjustin124 said:
Until 1992 California usually did vote Republican at Presidential elections. Is the pendulum now swinging back to them there?Foxy said:
Part of the increased efficacy of the Dem vote is that California is one of the few states shifting more Republican. Not that it will come close to winning.HYUFD said:
I don't think Trump will win OC by a landslide as he will counties in West Virginia for example but he will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 is all I am sayingSeaShantyIrish2 said:
True - and this list is filled with counties that were once Republican strongholds BUT have been trending Democratic for some time - a trend that Trumpsky did NOT cause but has accelerated.HYUFD said:
In 2011 Orange County had the 64th highest average household income in the US by county out of 3411 counties in total. Putting it comfortably in the top 5% of the richest US countiesSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Orange Co has 88 zip codes. And while $90k in indeed a high level of median household income, there is also a pretty wide inequality gap between richer & poorer residents.HYUFD said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ocregister.com/2017/12/19/8-orange-county-zips-in-top-100-priciest-for-u-s-home-sales/amp/SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
As these groups will tend to balance each other, think middle-income suburban voters will be decisive in OC as across US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States
So wither OC? We shall see!
https://twitter.com/plural_vote/status/1289998242373963779?s=09
Plural Vote is run by a registered Democrat, but nonetheless, that looks like a swing to the Dems in all the right places. A more efficient vote.0 -
Yes, that is so. Pack 'em & crack 'em - in case the latter. Though not as avante garde as gerrymanders crafted back in the day for the Dems by Phil Burton =Charles said:
Gerrymandered by the Democrats to try and reduce the chance of the GOP winning other seats!SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In 2016, CA state senate district that includes Palm Springs area, and gerrymandered to take in best GOP turf in Riverside County, votedLadyG said:
The richest place I have seen in California, in terms of luxury minus urban grime (a problem across America) is Indian Wells, Palm Springs.Alistair said:
That's not super rich level in California.HYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
Even there, I got a sense of mild malaise. They have so much money they install exquisite fountains on streetcorners that no one will see (because everyone drives in air con due to the heat) and yet, no.
It was like Monte Carlo with an invisible mould. And Monte Carlo is already quite gouty.
For balance, London now feels like New York City in about 1972
Trump 48.5% Clinton 46.7% Johnson 3.1% Stein 1.3% La Riva 0.3%
Further note while Trump won Indian Wells, La Quinta and Palm Desert (the last narrowly) he LOST Rancho Mirage (where Jerry Ford retired to), Desert Hot Springs, Palm Springs, Indio, Cathedral City and Coachella.
"my contribution to modern art".
Burton was pioneer in matching data with computers to map out, game-play, tweak & perfect redistricting plans from his side's point of view.
Supposedly once offered to create a gay Republican district in Sant Cruz area for GOP buddy, who supposedly turned him down.
Incidentally, it was Burton gerrymander of CA congressional districts that allegedly inspired Indiana Republicans to emulate him in the Hoosier State. EXCEPT that they lacked Burton's finesse, and ended up getting a bit too greedy, and making a supposedly safe GOP seat NOT safe enough - the Bloody 8th.0 -
No. Super rich is 50m. Very rich is 10m. Rich is 5m. Wealthy is 2m. Affluent is 1m. Below that is various shades of oik.HYUFD said:
If you are talking Kensington and Chelsea that is the most expensive local authority by house price in the UK yes and most of the property there is flats .Charles said:
That’s the same as a 2 bedroom flat in prime LondonHYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
It is also largely super rich on any
definition in terms of property ownership there0 -
Pretty sure that the intransitive use of puncture has been around for a long time.TOPPING said:Fuckin Hell.
The BBC have only gone and verbed puncture.
"Hamilton's team-mate Valtteri Bottas also punctured, two laps earlier, which dropped him out of the points."
Though usually it’s the tyre rather than the driver which punctures...0 -
Actually spent Christmas and New Year in Rancho Mirage once with Mrs Stodge and have been there three times.LadyG said:
It's a fascinating and gorgeous part of the world. I love that desert heat throbbing off the mountains. I was there last year just before Coachella. The girls! My god.
Palm Springs town centre is, however, to my mind, emblematic of America's urban problems. If this was a city in Spain or Portugal or Greece (similar climate) it would have endless tavernas under the palms, lots of cool marble boulevards, a culture of urban wandering.
Instead it has about three nervous streetcorners with open air bars, surrounded by overwide streets blighted by drug addicts and dereliction. It is a place you don't want to walk through to get nowhere.
It's mad. America is so rich. Why can't America sort out its town centres? Abolish the fucking cars. House the junkies. Be Barcelona. Not Caracas.
I wouldn't go in the heat of summer but in January it's a balmy 25c by day, the locals complain how cold it is and we are having breakfast al fresco on the terrace of the hotel.
I love the area but Rancho is my favourite. Some really nice places to eat around Cat City as well.
Saw in the New Year enjoying a chilled glass or three of Californian wine on the terrace.
Plenty of "snowbirds" but mostly Canadians from the Prairie States - regular winter flights from Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary down to Palm Springs. We had no such good fortune but the drive from San Diego only takes a couple of hours.
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You can still be super rich and be an oik, see Liam Gallagher. Class depends on education and background not just wealth.kinabalu said:
No. Super rich is 50m. Very rich is 10m. Rich is 5m. Wealthy is 2m. Affluent is 1m. Below that is various shades of oik.HYUFD said:
If you are talking Kensington and Chelsea that is the most expensive local authority by house price in the UK yes and most of the property there is flats .Charles said:
That’s the same as a 2 bedroom flat in prime LondonHYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
It is also largely super rich on any
definition in terms of property ownership there
Super rich nowadays is over 100 million on some definitions but I was focusing on where they tend to live1 -
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Here's some footage of the Antonov that Malc was going to look at this afternoon. A beast..
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I am the Scarlet Pipistrelle!rcs1000 said:
Do you have any actual evidence that Sunil is not a bat?IshmaelZ said:
Sunil = mammalSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
Pangolin = mammal
SUNIL = PANGOLIN
Undistributed middle = FALLACY!
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HYUFD = unreconstructed Socialist!HYUFD said:
No it doesn't, state control of the economy = socialismSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!0 -
I don't even know what's being discussed here0
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Monarchy is more One Nation Tory, most socialists tend to be republicanSunil_Prasannan said:
HYUFD = unreconstructed Socialist!HYUFD said:
No it doesn't, state control of the economy = socialismSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!0 -
The state is doing some serious control of the economy right now.HYUFD said:
No it doesn't, state control of the economy = socialismSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!0 -
Could be worse, could be hog nosed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I am the Scarlet Pipistrelle!rcs1000 said:
Do you have any actual evidence that Sunil is not a bat?IshmaelZ said:
Sunil = mammalSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
Pangolin = mammal
SUNIL = PANGOLIN
Undistributed middle = FALLACY!0 -
Palm Spring area also very popular with Pacific Northwesterners from both sides of the border.stodge said:
Actually spent Christmas and New Year in Rancho Mirage once with Mrs Stodge and have been there three times.LadyG said:
It's a fascinating and gorgeous part of the world. I love that desert heat throbbing off the mountains. I was there last year just before Coachella. The girls! My god.
Palm Springs town centre is, however, to my mind, emblematic of America's urban problems. If this was a city in Spain or Portugal or Greece (similar climate) it would have endless tavernas under the palms, lots of cool marble boulevards, a culture of urban wandering.
Instead it has about three nervous streetcorners with open air bars, surrounded by overwide streets blighted by drug addicts and dereliction. It is a place you don't want to walk through to get nowhere.
It's mad. America is so rich. Why can't America sort out its town centres? Abolish the fucking cars. House the junkies. Be Barcelona. Not Caracas.
I wouldn't go in the heat of summer but in January it's a balmy 25c by day, the locals complain how cold it is and we are having breakfast al fresco on the terrace of the hotel.
I love the area but Rancho is my favourite. Some really nice places to eat around Cat City as well.
Saw in the New Year enjoying a chilled glass or three of Californian wine on the terrace.
Plenty of "snowbirds" but mostly Canadians from the Prairie States - regular winter flights from Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary down to Palm Springs. We had no such good fortune but the drive from San Diego only takes a couple of hours.
As resort area, naturally has a LARGE population of hospitality and other service workers, who are more plentiful in the less salubrious sections, mostly due to relative housing prices. Also, among the richer, Whiter residents there is a "birds of a feather" tendency that makes more socially-culturally-politically progressive rich people congregate in somewhat different areas than folks who are just as wealthy but more conservative.0 -
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Not so much controlling as clinging on for grim death.Gallowgate said:
The state is doing some serious control of the economy right now.HYUFD said:
No it doesn't, state control of the economy = socialismSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
Monarchy = Personality Cult
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!0 -
Cameroon donor, Lib Dem and arch Remainer I believe
https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/1289889951795097601?s=210 -
Still whinging?Scott_xP said:
People have more important issues to worry about. Get over it already, this is getting sad now.3 -
What kind of lady are you?!LadyG said:
Have you ever considered the concept of homo-erotic obsession? As a sapphic painter of the NEWT I kindly suggest you have a weird monomaniaIanB2 said:
We already know that you are a twat. That didn’t need any discussion.LadyG said:
I have never denied the pulchritude of the axolotlIanB2 said:
You are just about the only person flip flopping about more rapidly than our government.LadyG said:
it's pretty conclusive now. We should have done Sweden. It hurts and people die, but it hurts and people die, anyway. The opposite reaction, the scaredy-cat Spain, Merkel, New Zealand, Sturgeon, belated-Boris reaction, guarantees total economic collapse and ensures nothing anywayisam said:Not sure working age is 0-64, but still...
https://twitter.com/haraldofw/status/1289667984315875328?s=21
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Still touchy?Philip_Thompson said:People have more important issues to worry about. Get over it already, this is getting sad now.
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You don’t get very far with broad Devon either, me lover...Foxy said:
Yes, that is the false perception. A West Midlands accent is quite possibly England's least fashionable or desired accent..Theuniondivvie said:
Do people think Brummies are thick? That's a new one on me, though I confess I'm not completely up on English internecine prejudices.Andy_JS said:
Interesting there have been problems in Manchester and Leicester, but not Birmingham. Maybe proof that Brummies aren't as thick as people like to think.TheScreamingEagles said:FTAO @Malmesbury in particular.
BREAKING: Major incident declared as Greater Manchester Coronavirus rates continue to rise
EXCLUSIVE: New data shows numbers still climbing, with particularly big spikes in Manchester, Tameside and Oldham
....Insiders say the continued increases are not related to Eid, which only began on Friday so cannot realistically have contributed to the rise.
One said mosques have been compliant with the new measures and that the rise is down to continued household transmission across all communities, as well as younger people not observing social distancing measures.
In Manchester, the highest number of cases is understood to be in Crumpsall.
Hospital admissions are said to remain stable regionwide, however, with one official describing them as ‘really low across GM’.
“It’s younger people now, and not ill enough to be in hospital,” they said of those testing positive.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/breaking-major-incident-declared-greater-18704165
The reality is quite different, I think, as Brum and the Black Country have an entrepreneurial culture very similar to America, with much less of the class pretensions of most of England.0 -
The double act with Coleslaw will have to wait until next year's Edinburgh Fringe.Scott_xP said:0 -
Could go over just fine in USA, however - PROVIDED you are intelligible, and strategic in use of colorful Old Country argot.Fysics_Teacher said:
You don’t get very far with broad Devon either, me lover...Foxy said:
Yes, that is the false perception. A West Midlands accent is quite possibly England's least fashionable or desired accent..Theuniondivvie said:
Do people think Brummies are thick? That's a new one on me, though I confess I'm not completely up on English internecine prejudices.Andy_JS said:
Interesting there have been problems in Manchester and Leicester, but not Birmingham. Maybe proof that Brummies aren't as thick as people like to think.TheScreamingEagles said:FTAO @Malmesbury in particular.
BREAKING: Major incident declared as Greater Manchester Coronavirus rates continue to rise
EXCLUSIVE: New data shows numbers still climbing, with particularly big spikes in Manchester, Tameside and Oldham
....Insiders say the continued increases are not related to Eid, which only began on Friday so cannot realistically have contributed to the rise.
One said mosques have been compliant with the new measures and that the rise is down to continued household transmission across all communities, as well as younger people not observing social distancing measures.
In Manchester, the highest number of cases is understood to be in Crumpsall.
Hospital admissions are said to remain stable regionwide, however, with one official describing them as ‘really low across GM’.
“It’s younger people now, and not ill enough to be in hospital,” they said of those testing positive.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/breaking-major-incident-declared-greater-18704165
The reality is quite different, I think, as Brum and the Black Country have an entrepreneurial culture very similar to America, with much less of the class pretensions of most of England.
Indeed, you can make the later up as you go!0 -
Fantastic.Scott_xP said:0 -
A self identified one, of course.IanB2 said:
What kind of lady are you?!LadyG said:
Have you ever considered the concept of homo-erotic obsession? As a sapphic painter of the NEWT I kindly suggest you have a weird monomaniaIanB2 said:
We already know that you are a twat. That didn’t need any discussion.LadyG said:
I have never denied the pulchritude of the axolotlIanB2 said:
You are just about the only person flip flopping about more rapidly than our government.LadyG said:
it's pretty conclusive now. We should have done Sweden. It hurts and people die, but it hurts and people die, anyway. The opposite reaction, the scaredy-cat Spain, Merkel, New Zealand, Sturgeon, belated-Boris reaction, guarantees total economic collapse and ensures nothing anywayisam said:Not sure working age is 0-64, but still...
https://twitter.com/haraldofw/status/1289667984315875328?s=21
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The generic West Country accent is basically the one used by people who want to sound like pirates.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Could go over just fine in USA, however - PROVIDED you are intelligible, and strategic in use of colorful Old Country argot.Fysics_Teacher said:
You don’t get very far with broad Devon either, me lover...Foxy said:
Yes, that is the false perception. A West Midlands accent is quite possibly England's least fashionable or desired accent..Theuniondivvie said:
Do people think Brummies are thick? That's a new one on me, though I confess I'm not completely up on English internecine prejudices.Andy_JS said:
Interesting there have been problems in Manchester and Leicester, but not Birmingham. Maybe proof that Brummies aren't as thick as people like to think.TheScreamingEagles said:FTAO @Malmesbury in particular.
BREAKING: Major incident declared as Greater Manchester Coronavirus rates continue to rise
EXCLUSIVE: New data shows numbers still climbing, with particularly big spikes in Manchester, Tameside and Oldham
....Insiders say the continued increases are not related to Eid, which only began on Friday so cannot realistically have contributed to the rise.
One said mosques have been compliant with the new measures and that the rise is down to continued household transmission across all communities, as well as younger people not observing social distancing measures.
In Manchester, the highest number of cases is understood to be in Crumpsall.
Hospital admissions are said to remain stable regionwide, however, with one official describing them as ‘really low across GM’.
“It’s younger people now, and not ill enough to be in hospital,” they said of those testing positive.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/breaking-major-incident-declared-greater-18704165
The reality is quite different, I think, as Brum and the Black Country have an entrepreneurial culture very similar to America, with much less of the class pretensions of most of England.
Indeed, you can make the later up as you go!
For the broadest version, well remember that scene from Hot Fuzz?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cun-LZvOTdw
Edit: this is accurate.0 -
I called in October once, on my way to the deserts, very pleasant temperature. Only thing I remember is there was some kind of native american museum which was interesting.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Palm Spring area also very popular with Pacific Northwesterners from both sides of the border.stodge said:
Actually spent Christmas and New Year in Rancho Mirage once with Mrs Stodge and have been there three times.LadyG said:
It's a fascinating and gorgeous part of the world. I love that desert heat throbbing off the mountains. I was there last year just before Coachella. The girls! My god.
Palm Springs town centre is, however, to my mind, emblematic of America's urban problems. If this was a city in Spain or Portugal or Greece (similar climate) it would have endless tavernas under the palms, lots of cool marble boulevards, a culture of urban wandering.
Instead it has about three nervous streetcorners with open air bars, surrounded by overwide streets blighted by drug addicts and dereliction. It is a place you don't want to walk through to get nowhere.
It's mad. America is so rich. Why can't America sort out its town centres? Abolish the fucking cars. House the junkies. Be Barcelona. Not Caracas.
I wouldn't go in the heat of summer but in January it's a balmy 25c by day, the locals complain how cold it is and we are having breakfast al fresco on the terrace of the hotel.
I love the area but Rancho is my favourite. Some really nice places to eat around Cat City as well.
Saw in the New Year enjoying a chilled glass or three of Californian wine on the terrace.
Plenty of "snowbirds" but mostly Canadians from the Prairie States - regular winter flights from Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary down to Palm Springs. We had no such good fortune but the drive from San Diego only takes a couple of hours.
As resort area, naturally has a LARGE population of hospitality and other service workers, who are more plentiful in the less salubrious sections, mostly due to relative housing prices. Also, among the richer, Whiter residents there is a "birds of a feather" tendency that makes more socially-culturally-politically progressive rich people congregate in somewhat different areas than folks who are just as wealthy but more conservative.0 -
Now retweeting conspiracy theories.Scott_xP said:3 -
So he's super talented at tennis as well?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Trump did win Indian Wells two-to-one.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
In 2016, CA state senate district that includes Palm Springs area, and gerrymandered to take in best GOP turf in Riverside County, votedLadyG said:
The richest place I have seen in California, in terms of luxury minus urban grime (a problem across America) is Indian Wells, Palm Springs.Alistair said:
That's not super rich level in California.HYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
Even there, I got a sense of mild malaise. They have so much money they install exquisite fountains on streetcorners that no one will see (because everyone drives in air con due to the heat) and yet, no.
It was like Monte Carlo with an invisible mould. And Monte Carlo is already quite gouty.
For balance, London now feels like New York City in about 1972
Trump 48.5% Clinton 46.7% Johnson 3.1% Stein 1.3% La Riva 0.3%
Further note while Trump won Indian Wells, La Quinta and Palm Desert (the last narrowly) he LOST Rancho Mirage (where Jerry Ford retired to), Desert Hot Springs, Palm Springs, Indio, Cathedral City and Coachella.2 -
Songs of States Battlefield & Not - anywhere west of Kansas City & east of Lake Tahoe
SOMEDAY SOON
Ian Tyson (and a multi-generation hit for Judy Collins)
There’s a young man that I know, his age is twenty one
Comes from down in southern Colorado
Just out of the service and he’s lookin' for his fun
Someday soon goin' with him someday soon
My parents cannot stand him 'cause he rides the rodeo
My father says that he will leave me cryin'
I would follow him right down the toughest road I know
Someday soon goin' with him someday soon
And when he comes to call, my pa ain’t got a good word to say
Guess it's 'cause he was just as wild in the younger days
So blow you old blue northern, blow my love to me
He’s drivin’ in tonight from California
He loves his damned old rodeo as much as he loves me
Someday soon goin' with him someday soon
And when he comes to call, my pa ain’t got a word to say
Guess it's 'cause he was just as wild in the younger days
Blow you old blue northern, blow my love to me
He’s drivin’ in tonight from California
He loves his damned old rodeo as much as he loves me
Someday soon goin' with him someday soon
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I was apoplectic about this last night, being over 50, and only just barely unlocking in last week or so, but the actual story does seem more nuanced. Over 50s get a risk assessment.Scott_xP said:
Well, if it anything like the one posted from Scotland the other day then a healthy 50 - 62 year old would/should be told no need to shield.
https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-individual-risk-assessment-for-the-workplace/documents/occupational-risk-assessment-form-easy-read/occupational-risk-assessment-form-easy-read/govscot:document/Covid+Risk+Assessment+Form+-+Easy+Read+Version.pdf0 -
LOL, how much effort into something that would result in an £80 fixed penalty!Philip_Thompson said:
Still whinging?Scott_xP said:
People have more important issues to worry about. Get over it already, this is getting sad now.2 -
I know OC pretty well. The coast has some amazingly affluent areas, but much of the hinterland is just normal American suburbia (albeit in some of the most perfect weather anywhere in the world). Places like Costa Mesa ("close to Mexico") or Garden Grove ("Garbage Grove") verge on ghettoes in parts. But then, because it's LA, these things are always changing as one group moves out and another moves in.Charles said:
That’s the same as a 2 bedroom flat in prime LondonHYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
Palos Verdes that somebody mentions above is in LA County, on the other side of the Orange Curtain.0 -
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1290025174977269766/photo/1
Ha, ha. Yeh, right. Will be sent this week. World beating ones as well. 0 -
Utter obsession by Scott and othersPhilip_Thompson said:
Still whinging?Scott_xP said:
People have more important issues to worry about. Get over it already, this is getting sad now.
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What else is a businessman supposed to do if staff don't want to return to work?isam said:Cameroon donor, Lib Dem and arch Remainer I believe
https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/1289889951795097601?s=210 -
No retweetFysics_Teacher said:Now retweeting
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You are obsessed. Get a lifeScott_xP said:
Still touchy?Philip_Thompson said:People have more important issues to worry about. Get over it already, this is getting sad now.
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Remain? In my employment? No chance.....isam said:Cameroon donor, Lib Dem and arch Remainer I believe
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That's great news. World beating rapid tests would be the next best thing to a vaccine.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1290025174977269766/photo/1
Ha, ha. Yeh, right. Will be sent this week. World beating ones as well.0 -
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Dramatic headline grossly simplifying nuanced story to generate clicks/outrage...rottenborough said:
I was apoplectic about this last night, being over 50, and only just barely unlocking in last week or so, but the actual story does seem more nuanced. Over 50s get a risk assessment.Scott_xP said:
Well, if it anything like the one posted from Scotland the other day then a healthy 50 - 62 year old would/should be told no need to shield.
https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-individual-risk-assessment-for-the-workplace/documents/occupational-risk-assessment-form-easy-read/occupational-risk-assessment-form-easy-read/govscot:document/Covid+Risk+Assessment+Form+-+Easy+Read+Version.pdf
It really isn't helping right now.1 -
Let's come back and review what actually happens at the end of the week.Philip_Thompson said:
That's great news. World beating rapid tests would be the next best thing to a vaccine.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1290025174977269766/photo/1
Ha, ha. Yeh, right. Will be sent this week. World beating ones as well.0 -
The Cummings fanbois are easily triggered. Such sensitive souls...0
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Fair enough.Scott_xP said:
No retweetFysics_Teacher said:Now retweeting
Just the conspiracy theory, sorry.1 -
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Years ago had an uncle - very conservative Republican, an engineer - who lived in Brea. It was NOT same then as it was when Dick Nixon was delivering papers or whatever, and am quite sure it is NOT the same as when my uncle & aunt lived there. As you say, always changing.Fishing said:
I know OC pretty well. The coast has some amazingly affluent areas, but much of the hinterland is just normal American suburbia (albeit in some of the most perfect weather anywhere in the world). Places like Costa Mesa ("close to Mexico") or Garden Grove ("Garbage Grove") verge on ghettoes in parts. But then, because it's LA, these things are always changing as one group moves out and another moves in.Charles said:
That’s the same as a 2 bedroom flat in prime LondonHYUFD said:
The median house price in Newport Beach is over $2 million, seems pretty super rich to meCharles said:
The “super rich” don’t live in Newport Beach. Their teenage kids hang out there when they want a good timeHYUFD said:
Newport Coast and Laguna Beach may be more old money and more comfortable for an Old Etonian like your good self than trashier new money Newport Beach but the polling I referred to just looked at income received not how old it wasCharles said:
Newport Beach is horrible and trashy though.HYUFD said:
Median US household income is $74 000, so Orange County is well above average income even if not all super rich like Newport BeachCharles said:
Median household income of $90k. Don’t know the nationwide stats but that seems solidly prosperous to meSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Not sure Orange Co is quite as rich - or rather has quite as many rich people - as you think. Also will be interesting to see impact of expanded vote-by-mail.HYUFD said:
Trump will likely do better in OC than he did in 2016 as he has made gains with rich voters compared to 4 years ago despite seeing losses from middle income and poorer votersSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Polling numbers posted by Trumpsky are high enough that they can NOT be comprised solely or even primarily by "crazies and racists".Charles said:
Yes. California will vote Dem (although I suspect Trump will do better in OC than last time)SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Just one (or slightly more) data point, but like all data interesting.Charles said:
Dismiss it if you want.EPG said:
Some GOP activists' families are voting for Trump. Proves fake news lying media are unfair to OC millionaires.Charles said:Warning n=2
I had coffee with some OC teachers (also part time lifeguard) yesterday. Seemed entirely normal and polite, intelligent people. Firmly in the Trump camp.
Comment was “we all know he says stupid stuff on Twitter but he’s not like that in person”. Their son works for the GOP and has met him several times.
Small numbers, but I was surprised. This may not be the slam dunk that people over here who rely on the media might think it is 🙀
It was simply meant to be a single data point that may or may not be of use to people
Don't think you can fault C on his observation, as he put it in context. Did NOT simply say they were Orange Co teachers, but that they were also Republicans with family member on Trumpsky's staff.
Their votes this Fall will NOT keep California from giving it's EVs to Biden. BUT there are folks like them in all the battleground states, who where Trumpsky is concerned are willing to accentuate the positive (however defined) and eliminate the negative (however massive).
Do NOT think these votes will re-elect The Donald. But they MUST be factored into the equation.
What was more interesting was the disconnect of the media perception (“only crazies and racists support Trump”) and the fact that these two individuals supported him.
(The son works for the RNC not Trump)
As for Orange County, methinks that Trumpsky will do bit worse there than in 2016, due to both suburban angst AND demographic creep (increasing Latinx vote share one factor here).
AND reckon son is lucky to be with RNC as opposed to WH, for obvious reasons! Still part of the payroll vote. Though parents are not, or at most indirectly.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
Newport Coast is far smarter, Palos Verdes more glamorous and Laguna Beach classier.
https://www.zillow.com/newport-beach-ca/home-values/
Palos Verdes that somebody mentions above is in LA County, on the other side of the Orange Curtain.0 -
I am no fan of Cummings and wanted his resignation but right now there are far more important issues to deal with than conspiracy theories by the likes of yourself who has become an obsessive anti Cummings discipleScott_xP said:The Cummings fanbois are easily triggered. Such sensitive souls...
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Of course, but if rapid turnaround testing can be deployed and sent to care homes etc then that would be an amazing weapon in the arsenal of defeating this vaccine.rottenborough said:
Let's come back and review what actually happens at the end of the week.Philip_Thompson said:
That's great news. World beating rapid tests would be the next best thing to a vaccine.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1290025174977269766/photo/1
Ha, ha. Yeh, right. Will be sent this week. World beating ones as well.0 -
Scott serves a useful function. We can point to him and sayBig_G_NorthWales said:
You are obsessed. Get a lifeScott_xP said:
Still touchy?Philip_Thompson said:People have more important issues to worry about. Get over it already, this is getting sad now.
"Children, this is how you will grow up if you don't eat your greens."
Then watch them scoff their broccoli...2 -
This site has been completely full of crap today0
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Oh yes, you could write a thread header on why the Tories in Scotland would lose if they advocated babyh-eating. But it would be just as irrelevant to current politics. You've moved the goalposts so far you are now playing camanachd when we started off with billiards.HYUFD said:
To win over 50% Yes clearly needs to get some monarchists as only 28% of Scots are republicans, pushing for scrapping the monarchy as well as leaving the UK should ensure No wins again that is the pointCarnyx said:
I couldn't care about republicanism in Scotland - especially with your implicit equation of it with Irish republicanism (you'r doing what you always do and shifting the terms of reference).HYUFD said:
Yes there are at least 15% more No to independence supporters in Scotland than Scottish republicans, even including Don't KnowsCarnyx said:
Majority? Comfortable?HYUFD said:
But still a comfortable majority of Scots still want to keep the monarchy and there are now more Unionists in Scotland than Northern Ireland as the median Northern Irish voter votes Alliance which is non sectarianCarnyx said:
Quite. Comparing polls with yes/no to indy with yes/mibbes aye mibbes naw/no to the Royal Family is rather taking the Tunnocks.CorrectHorseBattery said:Just came in to see @HYUFD embarrassing himself again
I'd like to see a Scottish poll, WITHOUT a neutral option, which gives the Royal Family, from well-respected elders to ******* types, a positive vote of 54% as indy has now.
Don't Know is not a neutral option.
And the fact remains - the monarchy is (surprisingly) weaker here in Scotland than even in NI.
And you are confusing NI Unionist with Scottish Unionist voter. Not to mention that the population of Scotland is rather larger than NI. And you are probably counting Labour voters - many of whom are pro-Indy.
It is pretty irrelevant to the independence debate, or to the main point which is the weakness of the monarchy in Scotland relative to the rest of the UK.
As I also recall from the absence of hysteria in Scotland when the then Duchess of Rothesay died in a car accident in Paris. It was actually an utter shock to see the reaction south of the Border.
In my view, in any case, the RF is very much trading on past glories and HMtQ's reign - it will be very interesting to see what happens when the new KIng ascends the throne.0 -
You seem really hung up that I correctly pointed out that Swedish death decrease had plateaued at one point. Even your Cricket Wyvern man says that happened.isam said:The man who dared to say Sweden’s Covid death rate was falling’s twitter thread made easier to read
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1289946269142654977.html
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1265980570816991235
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Has always been popular with artists, rich people, and rich artists. Back in 1920s Vita Sackville-West and Harold Nicolson visited Palm Springs on their joint book tour of America. They loved it. Back then there was more of a "western" vibe; they stayed at a gentile dude ranch, sang cowboy songs by the campfire, that sort of thing. And above all, the desert and the mountains.rottenborough said:
I called in October once, on my way to the deserts, very pleasant temperature. Only thing I remember is there was some kind of native american museum which was interesting.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Palm Spring area also very popular with Pacific Northwesterners from both sides of the border.stodge said:
Actually spent Christmas and New Year in Rancho Mirage once with Mrs Stodge and have been there three times.LadyG said:
It's a fascinating and gorgeous part of the world. I love that desert heat throbbing off the mountains. I was there last year just before Coachella. The girls! My god.
Palm Springs town centre is, however, to my mind, emblematic of America's urban problems. If this was a city in Spain or Portugal or Greece (similar climate) it would have endless tavernas under the palms, lots of cool marble boulevards, a culture of urban wandering.
Instead it has about three nervous streetcorners with open air bars, surrounded by overwide streets blighted by drug addicts and dereliction. It is a place you don't want to walk through to get nowhere.
It's mad. America is so rich. Why can't America sort out its town centres? Abolish the fucking cars. House the junkies. Be Barcelona. Not Caracas.
I wouldn't go in the heat of summer but in January it's a balmy 25c by day, the locals complain how cold it is and we are having breakfast al fresco on the terrace of the hotel.
I love the area but Rancho is my favourite. Some really nice places to eat around Cat City as well.
Saw in the New Year enjoying a chilled glass or three of Californian wine on the terrace.
Plenty of "snowbirds" but mostly Canadians from the Prairie States - regular winter flights from Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary down to Palm Springs. We had no such good fortune but the drive from San Diego only takes a couple of hours.
As resort area, naturally has a LARGE population of hospitality and other service workers, who are more plentiful in the less salubrious sections, mostly due to relative housing prices. Also, among the richer, Whiter residents there is a "birds of a feather" tendency that makes more socially-culturally-politically progressive rich people congregate in somewhat different areas than folks who are just as wealthy but more conservative.0 -
It would be a modest proposal on their part I feel.Carnyx said:
Oh yes, you could write a thread header on why the Tories in Scotland would lose if they advocated babyh-eating. But it would be just as irrelevant to current politics. You've moved the goalposts so far you are now playing camanachd when we started off with billiards.HYUFD said:
To win over 50% Yes clearly needs to get some monarchists as only 28% of Scots are republicans, pushing for scrapping the monarchy as well as leaving the UK should ensure No wins again that is the pointCarnyx said:
I couldn't care about republicanism in Scotland - especially with your implicit equation of it with Irish republicanism (you'r doing what you always do and shifting the terms of reference).HYUFD said:
Yes there are at least 15% more No to independence supporters in Scotland than Scottish republicans, even including Don't KnowsCarnyx said:
Majority? Comfortable?HYUFD said:
But still a comfortable majority of Scots still want to keep the monarchy and there are now more Unionists in Scotland than Northern Ireland as the median Northern Irish voter votes Alliance which is non sectarianCarnyx said:
Quite. Comparing polls with yes/no to indy with yes/mibbes aye mibbes naw/no to the Royal Family is rather taking the Tunnocks.CorrectHorseBattery said:Just came in to see @HYUFD embarrassing himself again
I'd like to see a Scottish poll, WITHOUT a neutral option, which gives the Royal Family, from well-respected elders to ******* types, a positive vote of 54% as indy has now.
Don't Know is not a neutral option.
And the fact remains - the monarchy is (surprisingly) weaker here in Scotland than even in NI.
And you are confusing NI Unionist with Scottish Unionist voter. Not to mention that the population of Scotland is rather larger than NI. And you are probably counting Labour voters - many of whom are pro-Indy.
It is pretty irrelevant to the independence debate, or to the main point which is the weakness of the monarchy in Scotland relative to the rest of the UK.
As I also recall from the absence of hysteria in Scotland when the then Duchess of Rothesay died in a car accident in Paris. It was actually an utter shock to see the reaction south of the Border.
In my view, in any case, the RF is very much trading on past glories and HMtQ's reign - it will be very interesting to see what happens when the new KIng ascends the throne.0 -
A gentile dude ranch? Isn’t that a bit anti Semitic?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Has always been popular with artists, rich people, and rich artists. Back in 1920s Vita Sackville-West and Harold Nicolson visited Palm Springs on their joint book tour of America. They loved it. Back then there was more of a "western" vibe; they stayed at a gentile dude ranch, sang cowboy songs by the campfire, that sort of thing. And above all, the desert and the mountains.rottenborough said:
I called in October once, on my way to the deserts, very pleasant temperature. Only thing I remember is there was some kind of native american museum which was interesting.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Palm Spring area also very popular with Pacific Northwesterners from both sides of the border.stodge said:
Actually spent Christmas and New Year in Rancho Mirage once with Mrs Stodge and have been there three times.LadyG said:
It's a fascinating and gorgeous part of the world. I love that desert heat throbbing off the mountains. I was there last year just before Coachella. The girls! My god.
Palm Springs town centre is, however, to my mind, emblematic of America's urban problems. If this was a city in Spain or Portugal or Greece (similar climate) it would have endless tavernas under the palms, lots of cool marble boulevards, a culture of urban wandering.
Instead it has about three nervous streetcorners with open air bars, surrounded by overwide streets blighted by drug addicts and dereliction. It is a place you don't want to walk through to get nowhere.
It's mad. America is so rich. Why can't America sort out its town centres? Abolish the fucking cars. House the junkies. Be Barcelona. Not Caracas.
I wouldn't go in the heat of summer but in January it's a balmy 25c by day, the locals complain how cold it is and we are having breakfast al fresco on the terrace of the hotel.
I love the area but Rancho is my favourite. Some really nice places to eat around Cat City as well.
Saw in the New Year enjoying a chilled glass or three of Californian wine on the terrace.
Plenty of "snowbirds" but mostly Canadians from the Prairie States - regular winter flights from Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary down to Palm Springs. We had no such good fortune but the drive from San Diego only takes a couple of hours.
As resort area, naturally has a LARGE population of hospitality and other service workers, who are more plentiful in the less salubrious sections, mostly due to relative housing prices. Also, among the richer, Whiter residents there is a "birds of a feather" tendency that makes more socially-culturally-politically progressive rich people congregate in somewhat different areas than folks who are just as wealthy but more conservative.1 -
Sorry - genteel.Fysics_Teacher said:
A gentile dude ranch? Isn’t that a bit anti Semitic?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Has always been popular with artists, rich people, and rich artists. Back in 1920s Vita Sackville-West and Harold Nicolson visited Palm Springs on their joint book tour of America. They loved it. Back then there was more of a "western" vibe; they stayed at a gentile dude ranch, sang cowboy songs by the campfire, that sort of thing. And above all, the desert and the mountains.rottenborough said:
I called in October once, on my way to the deserts, very pleasant temperature. Only thing I remember is there was some kind of native american museum which was interesting.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Palm Spring area also very popular with Pacific Northwesterners from both sides of the border.stodge said:
Actually spent Christmas and New Year in Rancho Mirage once with Mrs Stodge and have been there three times.LadyG said:
It's a fascinating and gorgeous part of the world. I love that desert heat throbbing off the mountains. I was there last year just before Coachella. The girls! My god.
Palm Springs town centre is, however, to my mind, emblematic of America's urban problems. If this was a city in Spain or Portugal or Greece (similar climate) it would have endless tavernas under the palms, lots of cool marble boulevards, a culture of urban wandering.
Instead it has about three nervous streetcorners with open air bars, surrounded by overwide streets blighted by drug addicts and dereliction. It is a place you don't want to walk through to get nowhere.
It's mad. America is so rich. Why can't America sort out its town centres? Abolish the fucking cars. House the junkies. Be Barcelona. Not Caracas.
I wouldn't go in the heat of summer but in January it's a balmy 25c by day, the locals complain how cold it is and we are having breakfast al fresco on the terrace of the hotel.
I love the area but Rancho is my favourite. Some really nice places to eat around Cat City as well.
Saw in the New Year enjoying a chilled glass or three of Californian wine on the terrace.
Plenty of "snowbirds" but mostly Canadians from the Prairie States - regular winter flights from Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary down to Palm Springs. We had no such good fortune but the drive from San Diego only takes a couple of hours.
As resort area, naturally has a LARGE population of hospitality and other service workers, who are more plentiful in the less salubrious sections, mostly due to relative housing prices. Also, among the richer, Whiter residents there is a "birds of a feather" tendency that makes more socially-culturally-politically progressive rich people congregate in somewhat different areas than folks who are just as wealthy but more conservative.0 -
Story on Radio 4 just now that the BBC has received documents from an Iranian whistleblower that the death toll in Iran is at least 3 times the official figures.0
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This is worth a read if thinking about death rates in different countries.Alistair said:
You seem really hung up that I correctly pointed out that Swedish death decrease had plateaued at one point. Even your Cricket Wyvern man says that happened.isam said:The man who dared to say Sweden’s Covid death rate was falling’s twitter thread made easier to read
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1289946269142654977.html
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1265980570816991235
https://lockdownsceptics.org/manana-waves/0 -
FFS to the tories not even realise who votes for them?rottenborough said:0 -
I don’t normally pick up on typos (unless I think I can make a joke: YMMV on how funny they are) but I couldn’t tell if you meant gentle, genteel or possibly genuine.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sorry - genteel.Fysics_Teacher said:
A gentile dude ranch? Isn’t that a bit anti Semitic?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Has always been popular with artists, rich people, and rich artists. Back in 1920s Vita Sackville-West and Harold Nicolson visited Palm Springs on their joint book tour of America. They loved it. Back then there was more of a "western" vibe; they stayed at a gentile dude ranch, sang cowboy songs by the campfire, that sort of thing. And above all, the desert and the mountains.rottenborough said:
I called in October once, on my way to the deserts, very pleasant temperature. Only thing I remember is there was some kind of native american museum which was interesting.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Palm Spring area also very popular with Pacific Northwesterners from both sides of the border.stodge said:
Actually spent Christmas and New Year in Rancho Mirage once with Mrs Stodge and have been there three times.LadyG said:
It's a fascinating and gorgeous part of the world. I love that desert heat throbbing off the mountains. I was there last year just before Coachella. The girls! My god.
Palm Springs town centre is, however, to my mind, emblematic of America's urban problems. If this was a city in Spain or Portugal or Greece (similar climate) it would have endless tavernas under the palms, lots of cool marble boulevards, a culture of urban wandering.
Instead it has about three nervous streetcorners with open air bars, surrounded by overwide streets blighted by drug addicts and dereliction. It is a place you don't want to walk through to get nowhere.
It's mad. America is so rich. Why can't America sort out its town centres? Abolish the fucking cars. House the junkies. Be Barcelona. Not Caracas.
I wouldn't go in the heat of summer but in January it's a balmy 25c by day, the locals complain how cold it is and we are having breakfast al fresco on the terrace of the hotel.
I love the area but Rancho is my favourite. Some really nice places to eat around Cat City as well.
Saw in the New Year enjoying a chilled glass or three of Californian wine on the terrace.
Plenty of "snowbirds" but mostly Canadians from the Prairie States - regular winter flights from Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary down to Palm Springs. We had no such good fortune but the drive from San Diego only takes a couple of hours.
As resort area, naturally has a LARGE population of hospitality and other service workers, who are more plentiful in the less salubrious sections, mostly due to relative housing prices. Also, among the richer, Whiter residents there is a "birds of a feather" tendency that makes more socially-culturally-politically progressive rich people congregate in somewhat different areas than folks who are just as wealthy but more conservative.
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There is an element of sensationalism here but not sitting on this story is doing the tories no good whatsoever.rottenborough said:
I was apoplectic about this last night, being over 50, and only just barely unlocking in last week or so, but the actual story does seem more nuanced. Over 50s get a risk assessment.Scott_xP said:
Well, if it anything like the one posted from Scotland the other day then a healthy 50 - 62 year old would/should be told no need to shield.
https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-individual-risk-assessment-for-the-workplace/documents/occupational-risk-assessment-form-easy-read/occupational-risk-assessment-form-easy-read/govscot:document/Covid+Risk+Assessment+Form+-+Easy+Read+Version.pdf0 -
On the subject of an MP being investigated by the Police on rape allegations, it seems the Police haven't named the MP yet. As such I don't think it would be appropriate for anyone else to do so either, which removing the whip does.
If the Police decide there is sufficient evidence to charge someone and they name who it is then the whip should be suspended until the outcome of any resulting case. But if the Police determine that there is no case to answer and never name who this was, I don't think its anyone else's job to be doing so either.
Let the Police deal with this professionally, not muckrakers.2 -
Thank goodness we have Professor Carl Heneghan, who has today totally destroyed the government's whole case for these draconian and unnecessary measures by proving that case incidences are not really rising proportionally.2
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Can't blame autocorrect for my faux pas! AND distinction you point out IS relevant, as one could most definitely have stayed at a gentile (overt of covert) dude ranch in America for most of 20th century.Fysics_Teacher said:
I don’t normally pick up on typos (unless I think I can make a joke: YMMV on how funny they are) but I couldn’t tell if you meant gentle, genteel or possibly genuine.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sorry - genteel.Fysics_Teacher said:
A gentile dude ranch? Isn’t that a bit anti Semitic?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Has always been popular with artists, rich people, and rich artists. Back in 1920s Vita Sackville-West and Harold Nicolson visited Palm Springs on their joint book tour of America. They loved it. Back then there was more of a "western" vibe; they stayed at a gentile dude ranch, sang cowboy songs by the campfire, that sort of thing. And above all, the desert and the mountains.rottenborough said:
I called in October once, on my way to the deserts, very pleasant temperature. Only thing I remember is there was some kind of native american museum which was interesting.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Palm Spring area also very popular with Pacific Northwesterners from both sides of the border.stodge said:
Actually spent Christmas and New Year in Rancho Mirage once with Mrs Stodge and have been there three times.LadyG said:
It's a fascinating and gorgeous part of the world. I love that desert heat throbbing off the mountains. I was there last year just before Coachella. The girls! My god.
Palm Springs town centre is, however, to my mind, emblematic of America's urban problems. If this was a city in Spain or Portugal or Greece (similar climate) it would have endless tavernas under the palms, lots of cool marble boulevards, a culture of urban wandering.
Instead it has about three nervous streetcorners with open air bars, surrounded by overwide streets blighted by drug addicts and dereliction. It is a place you don't want to walk through to get nowhere.
It's mad. America is so rich. Why can't America sort out its town centres? Abolish the fucking cars. House the junkies. Be Barcelona. Not Caracas.
I wouldn't go in the heat of summer but in January it's a balmy 25c by day, the locals complain how cold it is and we are having breakfast al fresco on the terrace of the hotel.
I love the area but Rancho is my favourite. Some really nice places to eat around Cat City as well.
Saw in the New Year enjoying a chilled glass or three of Californian wine on the terrace.
Plenty of "snowbirds" but mostly Canadians from the Prairie States - regular winter flights from Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary down to Palm Springs. We had no such good fortune but the drive from San Diego only takes a couple of hours.
As resort area, naturally has a LARGE population of hospitality and other service workers, who are more plentiful in the less salubrious sections, mostly due to relative housing prices. Also, among the richer, Whiter residents there is a "birds of a feather" tendency that makes more socially-culturally-politically progressive rich people congregate in somewhat different areas than folks who are just as wealthy but more conservative.
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Someone who was wargaming locking up over 50s with Johnson last week must have briefed Tim Shipman in a lot of detail.contrarian said:
There is an element of sensationalism here but not sitting on this story is doing the tories no good whatsoever.rottenborough said:
I was apoplectic about this last night, being over 50, and only just barely unlocking in last week or so, but the actual story does seem more nuanced. Over 50s get a risk assessment.Scott_xP said:
Well, if it anything like the one posted from Scotland the other day then a healthy 50 - 62 year old would/should be told no need to shield.
https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-individual-risk-assessment-for-the-workplace/documents/occupational-risk-assessment-form-easy-read/occupational-risk-assessment-form-easy-read/govscot:document/Covid+Risk+Assessment+Form+-+Easy+Read+Version.pdf
Can't think who it might be.0 -
Socialism requires permanent nationalisation of most industries or at least state spending of more than 50% of gdpGallowgate said:
The state is doing some serious control of the economy right now.HYUFD said:
No it doesn't, state control of the economy = socialismSunil_Prasannan said:
Socialism = Personality CultHYUFD said:
Including or excluding don't knows the monarchy has a bigger lead in Scotland than Yes to independenceSandyRentool said:
So just like the Independence polls. You know the ones - those where you keep including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Yes but even excluding don't knows no poll has Yes 13% ahead in Scotland as the monarchy isSandyRentool said:
So that is under half, including Don't Knows.HYUFD said:
Scots still backed the monarchy by 41% to 28% opposedCarnyx said:
There is ***POLLING*** evidence that SD is right.StuartDickson said:
In that case, Scots are world-champions at hiding their true emotions.Charles said:
She’s regarded with more affection that you think, you old grumpStuartDickson said:
She’s also descended from Fergus the Great, but the Irish and Scots don’t see her as one of ours.Charles said:
Yes but would be a stretch to call her Hispanic. She’s also descended from Mohammed, but I don’t think the Arabs see her as one of theirs!Fysics_Teacher said:
Isn’t the Queen descended from Spanish royalty?Charles said:
The Brits have already had a female PM, a Jewish PM, a Canadian PM... Latino not so much of a thing over her but I guess Philip of Spain or Catherine of Braganza might countydoethur said:
As they said in 2016, it was an historic election whoever won:Mexicanpete said:
Trump needs a legacy for good or for worse. Crashing the Constitution would get him into the history books.WhisperingOracle said:If he faces defeat, I wonder if Trump will turn out to be the monstrous, Nero-like figure for the fate of the US that is increasingly imagined, or whether he will simply turn away and start to curate his own myth and legend of the why election was stolen from him. There seems to be a pattern where he thrives on victimhood and self-righteousness more than the responsibility of the most spectacularly kind of destructive action, which he so often promises.
In fact he's seemingly shied away from several such 'peak' actions so far, on Iran, Korea, the demonstrations, and much else. So far.
Nope, doesn’t compute for me either.
The Scots are less royalist than most of the UK - including rather surprisingly NI (where you'd expect a built-in handicap).
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16238128.poll-only-41-per-cent-of-scots-support-monarchy/
[and the Herald is a Unionist newspaper, very much so, and was so by that time]
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The over 50s story has been briefed such that the Tories can actually do something else and it won't look as bad.
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They'll lock down the under-40s instead? Somehow I doubt it.CorrectHorseBattery said:The over 50s story has been briefed such that the Tories can actually do something else and it won't look as bad.
They'll shaft the under 40s before they shaft the over 50s, after all us young folks don't vote Tory0
