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First like Arsenal.

A reckoning, if any, and justified or not, will be a while coming. Patience is key.

Scott is not working !!!

Must be an outlier

As is clear all Starmer has done is regain some Remainers who switched to the LDs in 2019 having voted Labour in 2017.

He is still yet to make any inroads into the Tory vote and in my view will not do unless we go to WTO terms Brexit in which case some Tory Remainers might switch to Labour or the LDs and some Labour 2017 to Tory 2019 switchers might switch back

HYUFD said:

As is clear all Starmer has done is regain some Remainers who switched to the LDs in 2019 having voted Labour in 2017.

He is still yet to make any inroads into the Tory vote and in my view will not do unless we go to WTO terms Brexit in which case some Tory Remainers might switch to Labour or the LDs and some Labour 2017 to Tory 2019 switchers might switch back

While I hate to agree, Starmer is showing labour is now almost as dead electorally as an electoral force as the lib dems and we are just waiting for the corpse to decay.

Now we need to get rid of the damn tories then we can start again

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

HYUFD said:

As is clear all Starmer has done is regain some Remainers who switched to the LDs in 2019 having voted Labour in 2017.

He is still yet to make any inroads into the Tory vote and in my view will not do unless we go to WTO terms Brexit in which case some Tory Remainers might switch to Labour or the LDs and some Labour 2017 to Tory 2019 switchers might switch back

He hasn't made inroads yet, but there's time. He's not offputting, and that's a good start. But he will need to do more than just hope people get tired of Boris.

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

LadyG said:

Outside the desolation of central London, the mood does seem brighter. The pubs are almost full now, restaurants are reopening, buses and trains are halfway back to normal.

Hmm.

Yes, had my first post lockdown visit to the hairdresser today and Epping High Street busy which is still more than be said for Epping Station on a weekday

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

Bars can serve who ever they like and refuse whoever they like with no reason required.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Don’t really know what Labour can/should do tbh? How do they break through?

There's four years left until the GE. I'm not sure why you are expecting them to push ahead this early, they haven't even started talking about policies yet.

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

Loads of bars in Manchester only take card payment and have been since pre C-19, they just don't have anything to store cash in.

They all have card payment only on the front doors.

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

I think it was introduced to stop people being paid in cabbages and that they had to always have a cash wages option. Not sure it is still the case

ManchesterKurt said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

Bars can serve who ever they like and refuse whoever they like with no reason required.

This last is true, though there are exceptions such as racial grounds, but astonishingly it is lawful to refuse to take cash. This will increasingly be the case, while luddites (like me) await with interest a major electronic break down to see how long the contempt for good old cash lasts.

It had always seemed to me to be axiomatic that as long as there were drug dealer, taxi drivers, small builders, on course bookies and people with a certain cautious wariness about the HMRC that cash would be around. Perhaps I am wrong.

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

It has to be accepted for debts. If they’ve actually served the beers first, and they’ve been consumed, then they can’t refuse it - but they have the right to not serve the beers until they’re paid for, by card only if the establishment wishes to do this.

LadyG said:

Outside the desolation of central London, the mood does seem brighter. The pubs are almost full now, restaurants are reopening, buses and trains are halfway back to normal.

Hmm.

Amazing how things can seem considerably less awful in the space of 24hrs. Of course we have the rollercoaster of successive 24hrs in front of us.

LadyG said:

Back to that "cancellation" of the Guardian, the paper seems to have fallen victim to the culture wars, especially the trans-TERF wars, by appearing to be transphobic

https://twitter.com/eatthe1youlove/status/1284493550797967360?s=20

thus annoying many trans activitsts and their allies. Yet, at the same time it has annoyed traditional feminists and their allies, by apparently siding with the trans lobby!

https://twitter.com/TheMalibuGirl/status/1284430505312690176?s=20

What a nasty war it is

My impression of The Guardian's output nowadays (I haven't a clue what they got up to years back and I can't be arsed to look) is that they're very pro-Trans. Indeed, it looks like Transphobia has replaced Islamophobia as the fashionable phobia to be addressed before all other phobias over the past year or so. However, what I think they're now discovering is that, for the loudest and most radical outliers in all these movements, it's *impossible* to be a good enough ally, and you will therefore do something to upset them (even if that something is imaginary) and be torn down eventually.

More broadly, the Trans-TERF shenanigans is part of the inevitable process that occurs on the woke Left whenever two minority groups clash. Culture war narratives require that one side of an argument is not merely beaten but conquered and destroyed by the other, so it's not possible to mediate a truce between them, or to acknowledge that they might both have a point: one must be righteous and the other evil. The decision on whom is righteous and whom is evil is made by looking at their relative positions in the Hierarchy of Oppression. Transgender people occupy a much more exalted rank in the Hierarchy than feminists, so the feminists must be destroyed.

The Guardian appears simply to be falling victim to the trends that it has helped to define. The feminists are angry with it because they think it's taken a stance against them, and the trans lobby are now getting angry because - well, God knows, perhaps for not taking a hard enough line against the feminists, or for a slight that happened in 1986, or for some mythical offence that occurred only inside their own minds? Anti-social media is so prolific and so very, very nasty that it's quite impossible to keep track of all these controversies and, moreover, no sane human being would want to.

RobD said:

SandyRentool said:

So voters want PM Starmer leading a Tory government.

Weren't his ratings down too?

Boris still best PM

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

Loads of bars in Manchester only take card payment and have been since pre C-19, they just don't have anything to store cash in.

They all have card payment only on the front doors.

This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be stamped out. Legal tender must always be an option. I shudder when people talk about a cashless society as all that does it put in traceability of every penny you spend to whitehall. I will never give patronage to a place that won't take cash.

Inevitably a cashless society ends up in your friend saying can I borrow 20£ off you I forgot my wallet and HMRC sending him a tax bill for what he owes as they count it as income.

Not the case.

I worked in bars in the early 90s, we could refuse service to anyone we wished back then without having to justify why, it's the only sector that this is the case.

It's just an extension of that, dozens and dozens of bars in Manchester are cashless given the types of customers they serve and the way they operate.

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Contactless is the preferred route

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

Loads of bars in Manchester only take card payment and have been since pre C-19, they just don't have anything to store cash in.

They all have card payment only on the front doors.

This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be stamped out. Legal tender must always be an option. I shudder when people talk about a cashless society as all that does it put in traceability of every penny you spend to whitehall. I will never give patronage to a place that won't take cash.

Inevitably a cashless society ends up in your friend saying can I borrow 20£ off you I forgot my wallet and HMRC sending him a tax bill for what he owes as they count it as income.

Not the case.

I worked in bars in the early 90s, we could refuse service to anyone we wished back then without having to justify why, it's the only sector that this is the case.

It's just an extension of that, dozens and dozens of bars in Manchester are cashless given the types of customers they serve and the way they operate.

I didn't claim they weren't legally allowed to I said it had to be stamped out and that parliament should legislate that refusing cash should be a no go and patrons should boycott anywhere that refuses case. It is for a start discriminatory as an estimated couple of million people dont have access to a bank account

SandyRentool said:

So voters want PM Starmer leading a Tory government.

A non-threatening lawyer leading a Tory government... bring back Tony Blair, all is forgiven!

Evening all

Anecdata from East London this morning - busier but not back to pre-Covid levels. B&Q surprisingly quiet and supermarket quieter than I'd expect on a Saturday.

It may be with more people at home during the week the normal weekend trade is down a little but that's supposition. Traffic levels nearer normal but not there yet.

Neighbour tells me the morning Tubes are busier again and of course social distancing is already more honoured in the breach then the observance.

As far as card vs cash - the only cash I used was a £1 coin for the shopping trolley. I'll still use cash for my paper and for small purchases but generally it's been card all the way since the pandemic started.

Disappointing to see the pandemic referred to as a "hoax" or a "myth". 60,000 people have died from this hoax.

CatMan said:

OT: ITV are showing Thunderball tonight. They showed From Russia With Love last week, so are skipping Goldfinger. I think I know why...

"The film review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes gives the film a "Certified Fresh" score of 98% and an average score of 8.6/10 based on 61 reviews."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfinger_(film)

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

Loads of bars in Manchester only take card payment and have been since pre C-19, they just don't have anything to store cash in.

They all have card payment only on the front doors.

This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be stamped out. Legal tender must always be an option. I shudder when people talk about a cashless society as all that does it put in traceability of every penny you spend to whitehall. I will never give patronage to a place that won't take cash.

Inevitably a cashless society ends up in your friend saying can I borrow 20£ off you I forgot my wallet and HMRC sending him a tax bill for what he owes as they count it as income.

Not the case.

I worked in bars in the early 90s, we could refuse service to anyone we wished back then without having to justify why, it's the only sector that this is the case.

It's just an extension of that, dozens and dozens of bars in Manchester are cashless given the types of customers they serve and the way they operate.

I didn't claim they weren't legally allowed to I said it had to be stamped out and that parliament should legislate that refusing cash should be a no go and patrons should boycott anywhere that refuses case. It is for a start discriminatory as an estimated couple of million people dont have access to a bank account

There are also cash only bars, I assume you'd apply the same logic to them for those who don't have the desire to carry cash?

I don't think he's arguing that credit cards should be legal tender.

Pagan2 said:

Charles said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Contactless is the preferred route

I don't care what the preferred route is. They should not be allowed to discriminate because you wish to pay in legal tender. There are over 2 million people with no access to a bank account and therefore no access to contactless whether they want to pay that way or not.

You can bleat whats preferred all you like I dont give a damn what they prefer

Legal tender is not a thing.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

CatMan said:

OT: ITV are showing Thunderball tonight. They showed From Russia With Love last week, so are skipping Goldfinger. I think I know why...

"The film review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes gives the film a "Certified Fresh" score of 98% and an average score of 8.6/10 based on 61 reviews."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfinger_(film)

Yes, but it has a certain scene in it with Honor Blackman which is a bit....erm..."dodgy".

1. Recessions tend to help out governments.

2. It is morally empty for an opposition to sit there, hoping that something will come up.

2b. .. and, I think, will get appropriately 'rewarded' at the ballot box.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has reported that 7,360 deaths have been recorded worldwide in the last 24 hours, the largest daily increase since last May 10. In addition, it has reported a new daily record of infections, with 259,848 new positives in the past day.

Pagan2 said:

Charles said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Contactless is the preferred route

I don't care what the preferred route is. They should not be allowed to discriminate because you wish to pay in legal tender. There are over 2 million people with no access to a bank account and therefore no access to contactless whether they want to pay that way or not.

You can bleat whats preferred all you like I dont give a damn what they prefer

It was introduced when it was feRed cash was a fomite. You can get off your high horse - they were simply looking after the well-being of their staff.

SandyRentool said:

So voters want PM Starmer leading a Tory government.

Sounds about right. I think we can reasonably conclude that, in England, the Conservatives are a substantially more popular party, but one led by a Marmite politician, whereas Labour have a blank slate leader onto whom floating voters can inscribe their "safe, dull, dependable, not Boris" wishes.

Labour's big hope under these circumstances is a deep and extended economic horror. If things don't get too bad for too long, and Sunak can thus emerge from the mess with his reputation substantially intact, then the Tories head towards the next election with a decent lead already in the bank and a more presentable alternative leader available to install.

I mean, personally, I think that the economic horror will be awful and that all bets are consequently off, but if you're a bit less pessimistic than I am (which isn't difficult) then it's possible to imagine the Tories coming out of the other end of this in decent shape.

HYUFD said:

As is clear all Starmer has done is regain some Remainers who switched to the LDs in 2019 having voted Labour in 2017.

He is still yet to make any inroads into the Tory vote and in my view will not do unless we go to WTO terms Brexit in which case some Tory Remainers might switch to Labour or the LDs and some Labour 2017 to Tory 2019 switchers might switch back

Brexit will be largely done and dusted by the latter half of 2021, and the only issue left will be the form and extent of future trade agreements with the EU and other trading partners, in other words not something that will really shape the future voting choices of all but a few zealots. Meanwhile reality will be biting after the massive pain-free fiscal expansion of 2020, with millions of jobs ending in 2020 once the government ceases to pay the wages of 9 million furloughed staff. While in times of plenty people may not have cared much about whether the largesse was well spent, it'll become more of an issue once things go into reverse in order to pay for the huge debts incurred. Tax rises on those on middling incomes or another even more severe bout of austerity, all against a background of interest rates that are slowly rising back closer to historic norms. Finally, the virus will prove stubborn enough that expectations of an end to restrictions by the end of 2020 will be dashed, such that the current fairly buoyant mood will prove short lived.

I think that's by far the most likely outcome, rather than an unduly pessimistic one. It's also a 2021 scenario where Starmer has every prospect of making substantial inroads into the 2019 Tory vote.

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

Loads of bars in Manchester only take card payment and have been since pre C-19, they just don't have anything to store cash in.

They all have card payment only on the front doors.

This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be stamped out. Legal tender must always be an option. I shudder when people talk about a cashless society as all that does it put in traceability of every penny you spend to whitehall. I will never give patronage to a place that won't take cash.

Inevitably a cashless society ends up in your friend saying can I borrow 20£ off you I forgot my wallet and HMRC sending him a tax bill for what he owes as they count it as income.

Not the case.

I worked in bars in the early 90s, we could refuse service to anyone we wished back then without having to justify why, it's the only sector that this is the case.

It's just an extension of that, dozens and dozens of bars in Manchester are cashless given the types of customers they serve and the way they operate.

I didn't claim they weren't legally allowed to I said it had to be stamped out and that parliament should legislate that refusing cash should be a no go and patrons should boycott anywhere that refuses case. It is for a start discriminatory as an estimated couple of million people dont have access to a bank account

There are also cash only bars, I assume you'd apply the same logic to them for those who don't have the desire to carry cash?

Why should the same apply? Everyone has access to cash not everyone has access to card payments. If you were to excuse white only hairdressers as there was black only hairdressers just across the road you would quite rightly be called a bigot

Everyone can get access to a payment card of some type.

It may be hard, just as getting cash may be for some who life electronically.

Getting cash is never hard, if you are near a shop you are 90% of the time in walking distance of a cash point

Wulfrun_Phil said:

HYUFD said:

As is clear all Starmer has done is regain some Remainers who switched to the LDs in 2019 having voted Labour in 2017.

He is still yet to make any inroads into the Tory vote and in my view will not do unless we go to WTO terms Brexit in which case some Tory Remainers might switch to Labour or the LDs and some Labour 2017 to Tory 2019 switchers might switch back

Brexit will be largely done and dusted by the latter half of 2021, and the only issue left will be the form and extent of future trade agreements with the EU and other trading partners, in other words not something that will really shape the future voting choices of all but a few zealots. Meanwhile reality will be biting after the massive pain-free fiscal expansion of 2020, with millions of jobs ending in 2020 once the government ceases to pay the wages of 9 million furloughed staff. While in times of plenty people may not have cared much about whether the largesse was well spent, it'll become more of an issue once things go into reverse in order to pay for the huge debts incurred. Tax rises on those on middling incomes or another even more severe bout of austerity, all against a background of interest rates that are slowly rising back closer to historic norms. Finally, the virus will prove stubborn enough that expectations of an end to restrictions by the end of 2020 will be dashed, such that the current fairly buoyant mood will prove short lived.

I think that's by far the most likely outcome, rather than an unduly pessimistic one. It's also a 2021 scenario where Starmer has every prospect of making substantial inroads into the 2019 Tory vote.

As has been shown Covid and the lockdown has made zero inroads in the Tory vote thanks to the furlough and likely will not do as lockdown continues to ease and businesses get back to close to normality with social distancing.

Boris has also made clear austerity is over and the only tax rises considered might be a review of capital gains tax for the wealthy, middle income voters will be untouched and of course Starmer will always raise tax more than Boris anyway.

So no, WTO terms Brexit is the only thing that might really change voting intention

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

Loads of bars in Manchester only take card payment and have been since pre C-19, they just don't have anything to store cash in.

They all have card payment only on the front doors.

This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be stamped out. Legal tender must always be an option. I shudder when people talk about a cashless society as all that does it put in traceability of every penny you spend to whitehall. I will never give patronage to a place that won't take cash.

Inevitably a cashless society ends up in your friend saying can I borrow 20£ off you I forgot my wallet and HMRC sending him a tax bill for what he owes as they count it as income.

Not the case.

I worked in bars in the early 90s, we could refuse service to anyone we wished back then without having to justify why, it's the only sector that this is the case.

It's just an extension of that, dozens and dozens of bars in Manchester are cashless given the types of customers they serve and the way they operate.

I didn't claim they weren't legally allowed to I said it had to be stamped out and that parliament should legislate that refusing cash should be a no go and patrons should boycott anywhere that refuses case. It is for a start discriminatory as an estimated couple of million people dont have access to a bank account

There are also cash only bars, I assume you'd apply the same logic to them for those who don't have the desire to carry cash?

Why should the same apply? Everyone has access to cash not everyone has access to card payments. If you were to excuse white only hairdressers as there was black only hairdressers just across the road you would quite rightly be called a bigot

Benefits are now paid into bank accounts rather than in cash. Pretty much everyone should have access to some form of payment system.

felix said:

On Covid 19 - the second wave is already on in Spain and gettting there in France. However, with noticeably fewer actual deaths so far. Combination of better treatments, quicker testing, and maybe the first wave taking out the low hanging fruit?

The current victims are apparently much younger with many in the 20/40 age group. Almost certainly due to behavior as we unlocked.

Sandpit said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

Loads of bars in Manchester only take card payment and have been since pre C-19, they just don't have anything to store cash in.

They all have card payment only on the front doors.

This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be stamped out. Legal tender must always be an option. I shudder when people talk about a cashless society as all that does it put in traceability of every penny you spend to whitehall. I will never give patronage to a place that won't take cash.

Inevitably a cashless society ends up in your friend saying can I borrow 20£ off you I forgot my wallet and HMRC sending him a tax bill for what he owes as they count it as income.

Not the case.

I worked in bars in the early 90s, we could refuse service to anyone we wished back then without having to justify why, it's the only sector that this is the case.

It's just an extension of that, dozens and dozens of bars in Manchester are cashless given the types of customers they serve and the way they operate.

I didn't claim they weren't legally allowed to I said it had to be stamped out and that parliament should legislate that refusing cash should be a no go and patrons should boycott anywhere that refuses case. It is for a start discriminatory as an estimated couple of million people dont have access to a bank account

There are also cash only bars, I assume you'd apply the same logic to them for those who don't have the desire to carry cash?

Why should the same apply? Everyone has access to cash not everyone has access to card payments. If you were to excuse white only hairdressers as there was black only hairdressers just across the road you would quite rightly be called a bigot

Benefits are now paid into bank accounts rather than in cash. Pretty much everyone should have access to some form of payment system.

Which are often post office accounts which don't have a cash payment option on the cards

On Goldfinger:

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/comment/96894330#Comment_96894330

LadyG said:

Outside the desolation of central London, the mood does seem brighter. The pubs are almost full now, restaurants are reopening, buses and trains are halfway back to normal.

Hmm.

Small and medium-sized towns are reportedly quite busy.

LadyG said:

Charles said:

CatMan said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

CatMan said:

OT: ITV are showing Thunderball tonight. They showed From Russia With Love last week, so are skipping Goldfinger. I think I know why...

"The film review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes gives the film a "Certified Fresh" score of 98% and an average score of 8.6/10 based on 61 reviews."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfinger_(film)

Yes, but it has a certain scene in it with Honor Blackman which is a bit....erm..."dodgy".

This one?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88

Is that dodgy? We are in the era of 50 Shades, after all

He’s being very insistent when she isn’t interested

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

Loads of bars in Manchester only take card payment and have been since pre C-19, they just don't have anything to store cash in.

They all have card payment only on the front doors.

This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be stamped out. Legal tender must always be an option. I shudder when people talk about a cashless society as all that does it put in traceability of every penny you spend to whitehall. I will never give patronage to a place that won't take cash.

Inevitably a cashless society ends up in your friend saying can I borrow 20£ off you I forgot my wallet and HMRC sending him a tax bill for what he owes as they count it as income.

Not the case.

I worked in bars in the early 90s, we could refuse service to anyone we wished back then without having to justify why, it's the only sector that this is the case.

It's just an extension of that, dozens and dozens of bars in Manchester are cashless given the types of customers they serve and the way they operate.

I didn't claim they weren't legally allowed to I said it had to be stamped out and that parliament should legislate that refusing cash should be a no go and patrons should boycott anywhere that refuses case. It is for a start discriminatory as an estimated couple of million people dont have access to a bank account

There are also cash only bars, I assume you'd apply the same logic to them for those who don't have the desire to carry cash?

Why should the same apply? Everyone has access to cash not everyone has access to card payments. If you were to excuse white only hairdressers as there was black only hairdressers just across the road you would quite rightly be called a bigot

Everyone can get access to a payment card of some type.

It may be hard, just as getting cash may be for some who life electronically.

Getting cash is never hard, if you are near a shop you are 90% of the time in walking distance of a cash point

Yet the Tesco or Amazon turn up at my front door I can never get cash off them.

I have to make an effort to get cash.

Others would have to go to an effort to get a payment card, their choice not to if they so choose.

Soon: https://www.engadget.com/2019-09-18-amazon-paycode-cash-payment-western-union.html

nichomar said:

The World Health Organization (WHO) has reported that 7,360 deaths have been recorded worldwide in the last 24 hours, the largest daily increase since last May 10. In addition, it has reported a new daily record of infections, with 259,848 new positives in the past day.

People are not realising this. It’s now worse than it’s ever been worldwide, even as many local economies seem to have recovered to a large extent.

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

Pagan2 said:

ManchesterKurt said:

MikeSmithson said:

RobD said:

Pagan2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/rmason717/status/1284259307161366535

The first sentence the men have a point. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to pay with money. Many of us prefer not to use cards and I don't see a difference between handling notes and handling one of the hand held things to put your pin number is. Having said that they should have been barred for the second sentence content.

Are you allowed to refuse cash? I thought it always had to be accepted.

As I recall this has something to do with Truck acts

Loads of bars in Manchester only take card payment and have been since pre C-19, they just don't have anything to store cash in.

They all have card payment only on the front doors.

This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be stamped out. Legal tender must always be an option. I shudder when people talk about a cashless society as all that does it put in traceability of every penny you spend to whitehall. I will never give patronage to a place that won't take cash.

Inevitably a cashless society ends up in your friend saying can I borrow 20£ off you I forgot my wallet and HMRC sending him a tax bill for what he owes as they count it as income.

Not the case.

I worked in bars in the early 90s, we could refuse service to anyone we wished back then without having to justify why, it's the only sector that this is the case.

It's just an extension of that, dozens and dozens of bars in Manchester are cashless given the types of customers they serve and the way they operate.

I didn't claim they weren't legally allowed to I said it had to be stamped out and that parliament should legislate that refusing cash should be a no go and patrons should boycott anywhere that refuses case. It is for a start discriminatory as an estimated couple of million people dont have access to a bank account

There are also cash only bars, I assume you'd apply the same logic to them for those who don't have the desire to carry cash?

Why should the same apply? Everyone has access to cash not everyone has access to card payments. If you were to excuse white only hairdressers as there was black only hairdressers just across the road you would quite rightly be called a bigot

Everyone can get access to a payment card of some type.

It may be hard, just as getting cash may be for some who life electronically.

Getting cash is never hard, if you are near a shop you are 90% of the time in walking distance of a cash point

Yet the Tesco or Amazon turn up at my front door I can never get cash off them.

I have to make an effort to get cash.

Others would have to go to an effort to get a payment card, their choice not to if they so choose.

If Tesco's or Amazon turn up you have already paid else they wouldn't have turned up. Its a lot more effort to get a payment card for those that don't have one than to find a damn cashpoint

LadyG said:

Charles said:

LadyG said:

Charles said:

CatMan said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

CatMan said:

OT: ITV are showing Thunderball tonight. They showed From Russia With Love last week, so are skipping Goldfinger. I think I know why...

"The film review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes gives the film a "Certified Fresh" score of 98% and an average score of 8.6/10 based on 61 reviews."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfinger_(film)

Yes, but it has a certain scene in it with Honor Blackman which is a bit....erm..."dodgy".

This one?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88

Is that dodgy? We are in the era of 50 Shades, after all

He’s being very insistent when she isn’t interested

Pretty much exactly the same happens - albeit much kinkier and sexier - in 50 Shades. A book bought by about 100 million women, turned into a very popular movie

"On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 25% based on 277 reviews, with an average rating of 4.16/10. The website's critical consensus reads, "While creatively better endowed than its print counterpart, Fifty Shades of Grey is a less than satisfying experience on the screen."[182] Metacritic gave the film a score of 46 out of 100, based on reviews from 46 critics, indicating "mixed or average reviews"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey_(film)