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Not so easy to pin the blame on Vallance for Lockdown 2 if the pair of them diverge.stodge said:Evening all
A slight difference of opinion between Johnson and Vallance:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53436865
I still think if the figures continue to look good, social distancing will be abandoned at the end of August and a big "let's get back to work" campaign will follow with Ministers telling us it is our "civic duty" to go back to the office.
That's when the fight will really begin.0 -
I don’t like duplicitous snakes. Simple as that.Nigelb said:
I think Charles is overexerting himself in defence of hierarchy.Stuartinromford said:
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
One can stretch a guiding principle too far....0 -
But was that authorised by statute or not?Carnyx said:
The very first business in 1997 was to declare the Holyrood Parliament the continuation of that suspended in 1707. As Winnie Ewing formally declared, ‘The Scottish Parliament, which adjourned on March 25 1707, is hereby reconvened.’Charles said:FPT
Philosophically that’s an interesting question (I don’t have a view one way or the other).RochdalePioneers said:
Yes it can. How would rUK stop it? They won't just declare UDI. There will be an election. Then a referendum. Then a result. If the Scottish government is elected on a platform of Indyref2 and then Indyref2 votes for Independence what specifically can rUK do to stop it?RobD said:Scotland also cannot declare independence without the permission of the UK. The position is the same.
There are two Acts of Union - English and Scottish. The Scottish one was passed in the Scottish Parliament. It absolutely can be dissolved in the Scottish Parliament. Are you suggesting the British Army should be deployed to arrest the SNP leadership to prevent that from happening?
AIUI the Scottish Parliament decided to dissolve itself and merge with the Westminster Parliament with Scotland sending representatives to sit in the U.K. Parliament
Some years later, the U.K. parliament votes to create a devolved Parliament at Holyrood which has certain prescribed powers with other powers reserved to Westminster.
It does not follow that Holyrood is a recreation of the original Scottish Parliament, but it’s instead a devolved body from Westminster. Hence I don’t think that it can “just dissolve the Union”.
That’s not to saw that Scotland can’t go down UDI route if it wants to, but I don’t think it can claim to be acting within the law if it does0 -
Nah it was at the 82 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I think it's his foul on Battiston that you remember. That was at EURO 84.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/may/27/world-cup-25-stunning-moments-patrick-battiston0 -
Don't go to Westminster then.Charles said:
I don’t like duplicitous snakes. Simple as that.Nigelb said:
I think Charles is overexerting himself in defence of hierarchy.Stuartinromford said:
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
One can stretch a guiding principle too far....0 -
Not a clear and obvious error.ThomasNashe said:
No, it was the 82 semi-final. One wonders what VAR would have made of it.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I think it's his foul on Battiston that you remember. That was at EURO 84.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.0 -
I don’t.Philip_Thompson said:
Don't go to Westminster then.Charles said:
I don’t like duplicitous snakes. Simple as that.Nigelb said:
I think Charles is overexerting himself in defence of hierarchy.Stuartinromford said:
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
One can stretch a guiding principle too far....0 -
Mike Riley's mob would have awarded a free kick to West Germany and sent off Battison.ThomasNashe said:
No, it was the 82 semi-final. One wonders what VAR would have made of it.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I think it's his foul on Battiston that you remember. That was at EURO 84.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.1 -
PMQs verdict?0
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As I said above, the Schumacher/Battiston foul was at EURO84.ThomasNashe said:
That was a fabulous French side. At least the equal of the one that won the WC in 1998. The final ought to have been France v Brazil, rather than Germany V Italy.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.
At FIFA82 France had a great squad indeed, Platini, Tresor, Tigana, Giresse.
But Italy was a deserving finalist and winner with Rossi, Conti, Tardelli, Altobelli and the geat Dino Zoff. Our side was lucky and less deserving, admittedly.0 -
More of a latchdown than a lockdown.RobD said:
Pubs were offering Covid drinks promotions and tubes and trains were still full of unmasked commuters.0 -
I stand corrected. How embarrassing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah it was at the 82 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I think it's his foul on Battiston that you remember. That was at EURO 84.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/may/27/world-cup-25-stunning-moments-patrick-battiston0 -
Admittedly, Tardelli’s was the greatest goal celebration of all time. But 82 it was, as the article posted by TSE makes clear.matthiasfromhamburg said:
As I said above, the Schumacher/Battiston foul was at EURO84.ThomasNashe said:
That was a fabulous French side. At least the equal of the one that won the WC in 1998. The final ought to have been France v Brazil, rather than Germany V Italy.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.
At FIFA82 France had a great squad indeed, Platini, Tresor, Tigana, Giresse.
But Italy was a deserving finalist and winner with Rossi, Conti, Tardelli, Altobelli and the geat Dino Zoff. Our side was lucky and less deserving, admittedly.0 -
Neither of those have got 7nm processes anywhere near completion. The issue for Huawei won't be the infrastructure side, it will be their consumer phone divisions where their Kirin processors will move from TSMC 7nm to some undefined 14nm process at UMC or SMIC. At the same time Samsung are pushing 5nm and Apple will be using the TSMC 5nm process for the iPhone 12.rcs1000 said:
SMIC is not bad these days, and UMC continues to work with Huawei (for now). So I'm not convinced that Huawei will be slowed down that much.MaxPB said:
I do wonder what China's response to TSMC blocking their national champion is going to be. At a stroke they've lost access to the most advanced process nodes at TSMC and Samsung. Chinese silicon fabrication is nowhere near that level and with the US sanctions in place it's going to be very, very difficult for them to get there without US help.glw said:Regarding Huawei, here's the component supply problem that the UK government is worried about.
TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Huawei-crackdown/TSMC-plans-to-halt-chip-supplies-to-Huawei-in-2-months0 -
Georgia's death still uncoupled from their rise in cases. Unless the provisional data is about to be revised way the fuck up.rcs1000 said:0 -
No, it was Espana 82. Watched it live. Genuinely thought Battiston might diematthiasfromhamburg said:
As I said above, the Schumacher/Battiston foul was at EURO84.ThomasNashe said:
That was a fabulous French side. At least the equal of the one that won the WC in 1998. The final ought to have been France v Brazil, rather than Germany V Italy.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.
At FIFA82 France had a great squad indeed, Platini, Tresor, Tigana, Giresse.
But Italy was a deserving finalist and winner with Rossi, Conti, Tardelli, Altobelli and the geat Dino Zoff. Our side was lucky and less deserving, admittedly.0 -
Fair point.MaxPB said:
Neither of those have got 7nm processes anywhere near completion. The issue for Huawei won't be the infrastructure side, it will be their consumer phone divisions where their Kirin processors will move from TSMC 7nm to some undefined 14nm process at UMC or SMIC. At the same time Samsung are pushing 5nm and Apple will be using the TSMC 5nm process for the iPhone 12.rcs1000 said:
SMIC is not bad these days, and UMC continues to work with Huawei (for now). So I'm not convinced that Huawei will be slowed down that much.MaxPB said:
I do wonder what China's response to TSMC blocking their national champion is going to be. At a stroke they've lost access to the most advanced process nodes at TSMC and Samsung. Chinese silicon fabrication is nowhere near that level and with the US sanctions in place it's going to be very, very difficult for them to get there without US help.glw said:Regarding Huawei, here's the component supply problem that the UK government is worried about.
TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Huawei-crackdown/TSMC-plans-to-halt-chip-supplies-to-Huawei-in-2-months
Glad I got my Mate XS before they got cut off.0 -
Do we think it is down to a) implicated in the AS report or b) a scary lawyer's letter from JK Rowling?oxfordsimon said:
Getting rid of Moyle is a good day for Labour. He should never have been appointed to the shadow team in the first place.Mexicanpete said:
It hasn't been a good day for Labour has it. Mr Raab outed the Labour Party as colluding with the Russians at the GE to undermine Boris too!oxfordsimon said:https://order-order.com/2020/07/16/lloyd-russell-moyle-resigns/
Shame he hasn't resigned as MP as well.
Anyone know what story was about to break about him? There is clearly something else going on.
His attempt to play the victim card in his resignation is, quite frankly, pathetic.0 -
It's another illustration of the Yes Minister point that it depends how you ask the question. a solid 56% like the monarchy, which involves... choosing a leader by borthright. And if the current leader passes on and the nexct inherits by birthright, as per the system, then 11% peel off, they don't like that sort of monarchy.Charles said:
I told you the British voters were sensible.HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283812415008845825?s=20
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283812615098007559?s=20
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283812786997469188?s=20
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283813034373390339?s=20
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283813178888118272?s=20
They agree with me!
And apparently 27% don't mind either way.0 -
I'd be interested to see the class divide on the capital punishment question. Something tells me it would be rather large.NickPalmer said:
It's another illustration of the Yes Minister point that it depends how you ask the question. a solid 56% like the monarchy, which involves... choosing a leader by borthright. And if the current leader passes on and the nexct inherits by birthright, as per the system, then 11% peel off, they don't like that sort of monarchy.Charles said:
I told you the British voters were sensible.HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283812415008845825?s=20
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283812615098007559?s=20
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283812786997469188?s=20
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283813034373390339?s=20
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283813178888118272?s=20
They agree with me!
And apparently 27% don't mind either way.0 -
Yep, I stand corrected. The Italian squad was great indeed. ITA/FRA or ITA/BRA would have been deserving finals, in my view. I've always liked defensive, counterattacking football.ThomasNashe said:
Admittedly, Tardelli’s was the greatest goal celebration of all time. But 82 it was, as the article posted by TSE makes clear.matthiasfromhamburg said:
As I said above, the Schumacher/Battiston foul was at EURO84.ThomasNashe said:
That was a fabulous French side. At least the equal of the one that won the WC in 1998. The final ought to have been France v Brazil, rather than Germany V Italy.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.
At FIFA82 France had a great squad indeed, Platini, Tresor, Tigana, Giresse.
But Italy was a deserving finalist and winner with Rossi, Conti, Tardelli, Altobelli and the geat Dino Zoff. Our side was lucky and less deserving, admittedly.0 -
Will the Secretary of State for Pret make the announcement?stodge said:Evening all
A slight difference of opinion between Johnson and Vallance:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53436865
I still think if the figures continue to look good, social distancing will be abandoned at the end of August and a big "let's get back to work" campaign will follow with Ministers telling us it is our "civic duty" to go back to the office.
That's when the fight will really begin.
Government appears to be centred on the interests of the sandwich chain these days.0 -
I would have said that Profumo was verging on the criminal. He was Minister of Defence and was sharing a whore with a Russian spy. This at the height of the Cold War.Charles said:
Jack was a good man. His ostracism was verging on the criminalSeaShantyIrish2 said:
IF that is in fact the case, then isn't still the Chief Whip's job to have sussed that out?Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
In Profumo case, government could have saved itself a LOT of grief IF they had asked the minister the right questions - and enough of them - at the critical juncture. Instead, they rushed it & muffed it.
"Well they would, wouldn't they?" - Mandy Rice Davies
And yet Charles sees him as "a good man". It is the same sense of entitlement that we see again today among the Tory toffs who hang around government as part of the Johnson clique. All jolly good fun, eh chaps?5 -
Howaay in a MangerSandyRentool said:
Will the Secretary of State for Pret make the announcement?stodge said:Evening all
A slight difference of opinion between Johnson and Vallance:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53436865
I still think if the figures continue to look good, social distancing will be abandoned at the end of August and a big "let's get back to work" campaign will follow with Ministers telling us it is our "civic duty" to go back to the office.
That's when the fight will really begin.
Government appears to be centred on the interests of the sandwich chain these days.0 -
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Careful.TheScreamingEagles said:This is what we need here.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1283855048146026496
There are some PBers who probably think that for real.
Lots of old-fashioned authoritarians on here, both right and ‘left’.1 -
And anybody else they don't like the look of.... Anybody who is law-abiding, for example....TheScreamingEagles said:This is what we need here.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1283855048146026496
Is that what you mean, Mr Eagles? Seriously?
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Look at the work he did for Toynbee Hall. Or Longford’s view that he had more admiration for Profumo than all the rest of the men he’d known in his life.ClippP said:
I would have said that Profumo was verging on the criminal. He was Minister of Defence and was sharing a whore with a Russian spy. This at the height of the Cold War.Charles said:
Jack was a good man. His ostracism was verging on the criminalSeaShantyIrish2 said:
IF that is in fact the case, then isn't still the Chief Whip's job to have sussed that out?Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
In Profumo case, government could have saved itself a LOT of grief IF they had asked the minister the right questions - and enough of them - at the critical juncture. Instead, they rushed it & muffed it.
"Well they would, wouldn't they?" - Mandy Rice Davies
And yet Charles sees him as "a good man". It is the same sense of entitlement that we see again today among the Tory toffs who hang around government as part of the Johnson clique. All jolly good fun, eh chaps?
The guy made a mistake and shagged a pretty girl. He spent 40 years working for charity. In my eyes that makes him a good man.1 -
Tough on pandemics, tough on the causes of pandemics.Anabobazina said:
Careful.TheScreamingEagles said:This is what we need here.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1283855048146026496
There are some PBers who probably think that for real.
Lots of old-fashioned authoritarians on here, both right and ‘left’.
Only Russian trolls wants the virus to spread in the UK.
So comrade, how many roubles a month is Russia paying you?1 -
If it wasn't for VAR Manchester United would be middle table.0
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Call it the Jeremy Thorpe principle, you Liberals will love that right?ClippP said:
And anybody else they don't like the look of.... Anybody who is law-abiding, for example....TheScreamingEagles said:This is what we need here.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1283855048146026496
Is that what you mean, Mr Eagles? Seriously?0 -
Profumo's reckless lust also humiliated his poor wife and brought about Stephen Ward's suicide.ClippP said:
I would have said that Profumo was verging on the criminal. He was Minister of Defence and was sharing a whore with a Russian spy. This at the height of the Cold War.Charles said:
Jack was a good man. His ostracism was verging on the criminalSeaShantyIrish2 said:
IF that is in fact the case, then isn't still the Chief Whip's job to have sussed that out?Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
In Profumo case, government could have saved itself a LOT of grief IF they had asked the minister the right questions - and enough of them - at the critical juncture. Instead, they rushed it & muffed it.
"Well they would, wouldn't they?" - Mandy Rice Davies
And yet Charles sees him as "a good man". It is the same sense of entitlement that we see again today among the Tory toffs who hang around government as part of the Johnson clique. All jolly good fun, eh chaps?0 -
A lovely unbiased thread on Boris by Cyclefree. Not unsurprising , but at least we know where Cyclefree is coming from, if of course there was any doubt.
I don't like Boris myself, but we are less than a year(in fact only 7 months into his Premiership). I think he needs time, after all he has still not recovered from Covid19.
One can Imagine Cyclefree lauding Blair in a thread such as this in Dec 1997.. 7 months into his Premiership, only to find out later he was absolutely appalling as PM(given that he was effective, if appalling).-1 -
We're a year into the premiership of Boris Johnson.squareroot2 said:A lovely unbiased thread on Boris by Cyclefree. Not unsurprising , but at least we know where Cyclefree is coming from, if of course there was any doubt.
I don't like Boris myself, but we are less than a year(in fact only 7 months into his premiership). I think he needs time.
One can Imagine Cyclefree lauding Blair in a thread such as this 7 months into his Premiership, only to find out he was absolutely appalling as PM(given that he was effective, if appalling).1 -
I’m a Trump opponent who cannot see past a Trump victory.
But...
Trump hasn’t led an FL poll since 12 March.
That’s quite something.
What are the views of the PB Trumptons? @MrEd @HYUFD @Luckyguy1983 @Ave_it
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But we are many years into his career.squareroot2 said:I don't like Boris myself, but we are less than a year(in fact only 7 months into his premiership). I think he needs time.
We know he comes up with grand schemes that are never delivered.
We know he lies more easily than breathing.
He doesn't need any more time to show us just what a shit he really is.2 -
"How objectivity in journalism became a matter of opinion
In America, political and commercial strains have led to questions about its value and meaning" (£)
https://www.economist.com/books-and-arts/2020/07/16/how-objectivity-in-journalism-became-a-matter-of-opinion0 -
24/7/19 to 16/7/20 is 7 months!squareroot2 said:A lovely unbiased thread on Boris by Cyclefree. Not unsurprising , but at least we know where Cyclefree is coming from, if of course there was any doubt.
I don't like Boris myself, but we are less than a year(in fact only 7 months into his Premiership). I think he needs time, after all he has still not recovered from Covid19.
One can Imagine Cyclefree lauding Blair in a thread such as this in Dec 1997.. 7 months into his Premiership, only to find out later he was absolutely appalling as PM(given that he was effective, if appalling).0 -
I was on here advocating immediate lockdown long before bumbling Bozza pulled his finger out.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tough on pandemics, tough on the causes of pandemics.Anabobazina said:
Careful.TheScreamingEagles said:This is what we need here.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1283855048146026496
There are some PBers who probably think that for real.
Lots of old-fashioned authoritarians on here, both right and ‘left’.
Only Russian trolls wants the virus to spread in the UK.
So comrade, how many roubles a month is Russia paying you?
Now, a degree of rationality and reconciliation would be welcome.0 -
I don't remember that Jeremy Thorpe went round praising and promoting gangsters and murderers. You Tories do have a twisted sense of fun.TheScreamingEagles said:
Call it the Jeremy Thorpe principle, you Liberals will love that right?ClippP said:
And anybody else they don't like the look of.... Anybody who is law-abiding, for example....TheScreamingEagles said:This is what we need here.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1283855048146026496
Is that what you mean, Mr Eagles? Seriously?0 -
Unless they’re in charge ?Charles said:
I don’t like duplicitous snakes. Simple as that.Nigelb said:
I think Charles is overexerting himself in defence of hierarchy.Stuartinromford said:
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
One can stretch a guiding principle too far....
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If there was an election tomorrow then Biden should win but given Biden is still not over 50% in most polls there are still a lot of undecideds or 'silent' Trump voters who could change things and we still have the conventions and debates and most of the ad war to come (and no I am not a Trumpton)Anabobazina said:I’m a Trump opponent who cannot see past a Trump victory.
But...
Trump hasn’t led an FL poll since 12 March.
That’s quite something.
What are the views of the PB Trumptons? @MrEd @HYUFD @Luckyguy1983 @Ave_it
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Rinka the dog says hello.ClippP said:
I don't remember that Jeremy Thorpe went round praising and promoting gangsters and murderers. You Tories do have a twisted sense of fun.TheScreamingEagles said:
Call it the Jeremy Thorpe principle, you Liberals will love that right?ClippP said:
And anybody else they don't like the look of.... Anybody who is law-abiding, for example....TheScreamingEagles said:This is what we need here.
https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1283855048146026496
Is that what you mean, Mr Eagles? Seriously?1 -
Profumo does have the edge on much of the current Cabinet certainly. He resigned when he was found out to be lying, and didn't attempt to either re enter politics nor to cash in on his notorious part in the scandal.Charles said:
Look at the work he did for Toynbee Hall. Or Longford’s view that he had more admiration for Profumo than all the rest of the men he’d known in his life.ClippP said:
I would have said that Profumo was verging on the criminal. He was Minister of Defence and was sharing a whore with a Russian spy. This at the height of the Cold War.Charles said:
Jack was a good man. His ostracism was verging on the criminalSeaShantyIrish2 said:
IF that is in fact the case, then isn't still the Chief Whip's job to have sussed that out?Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
In Profumo case, government could have saved itself a LOT of grief IF they had asked the minister the right questions - and enough of them - at the critical juncture. Instead, they rushed it & muffed it.
"Well they would, wouldn't they?" - Mandy Rice Davies
And yet Charles sees him as "a good man". It is the same sense of entitlement that we see again today among the Tory toffs who hang around government as part of the Johnson clique. All jolly good fun, eh chaps?
The guy made a mistake and shagged a pretty girl. He spent 40 years working for charity. In my eyes that makes him a good man.
His modern equivalent would brazen it out and become PM.0 -
7 months into majority premiership though.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're a year into the premiership of Boris Johnson.squareroot2 said:A lovely unbiased thread on Boris by Cyclefree. Not unsurprising , but at least we know where Cyclefree is coming from, if of course there was any doubt.
I don't like Boris myself, but we are less than a year(in fact only 7 months into his premiership). I think he needs time.
One can Imagine Cyclefree lauding Blair in a thread such as this 7 months into his Premiership, only to find out he was absolutely appalling as PM(given that he was effective, if appalling).
There's a world of difference between minority and majority politics.0 -
so are they saying that the red truck is running empty, with no content?Scott_xP said:0 -
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It's stopped being funny.TheScreamingEagles said:If it wasn't for VAR Manchester United would be middle table.
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Indeed , and for half of his Premiership since the GE he has been unwell..Philip_Thompson said:
7 months into majority premiership though.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're a year into the premiership of Boris Johnson.squareroot2 said:A lovely unbiased thread on Boris by Cyclefree. Not unsurprising , but at least we know where Cyclefree is coming from, if of course there was any doubt.
I don't like Boris myself, but we are less than a year(in fact only 7 months into his premiership). I think he needs time.
One can Imagine Cyclefree lauding Blair in a thread such as this 7 months into his Premiership, only to find out he was absolutely appalling as PM(given that he was effective, if appalling).
There's a world of difference between minority and majority politics.0 -
Nope. There are few politicians I like, and certainly not the current bunch of reprobates.Nigelb said:
Unless they’re in charge ?Charles said:
I don’t like duplicitous snakes. Simple as that.Nigelb said:
I think Charles is overexerting himself in defence of hierarchy.Stuartinromford said:
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
One can stretch a guiding principle too far....0 -
Believe history supports you. Politicos are like medieval villagers, they shun anyone with even a taint of leprosy for fear they will (and sometimes deserve) to catch it.Charles said:
Jack was a good man. His ostracism was verging on the criminalSeaShantyIrish2 said:
IF that is in fact the case, then isn't still the Chief Whip's job to have sussed that out?Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
In Profumo case, government could have saved itself a LOT of grief IF they had asked the minister the right questions - and enough of them - at the critical juncture. Instead, they rushed it & muffed it.
"Well they would, wouldn't they?" - Mandy Rice Davies
BUT at least he found out who his real friends were.
AND let it never be forgotten, Jack Profumo was one of the MPs who rebelled against the whip at the conclusion of the Norway Debate, May 1940, which led directly to the resignation of Neville Chamberlain and the establishment of the wartime coalition under Winston Churchill.
Like the saying goes - you can't take THAT away from him.0 -
As then leader of the Scottish Labour Party, Johann Lamont, once memorably said: “We are not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions.”Theuniondivvie said:
Come now, that's not an issue for folk in Scotland to decide.Carnyx said:
The very first business in 1997 was to declare the Holyrood Parliament the continuation of that suspended in 1707. As Winnie Ewing formally declared, ‘The Scottish Parliament, which adjourned on March 25 1707, is hereby reconvened.’Charles said:FPT
Philosophically that’s an interesting question (I don’t have a view one way or the other).RochdalePioneers said:
Yes it can. How would rUK stop it? They won't just declare UDI. There will be an election. Then a referendum. Then a result. If the Scottish government is elected on a platform of Indyref2 and then Indyref2 votes for Independence what specifically can rUK do to stop it?RobD said:Scotland also cannot declare independence without the permission of the UK. The position is the same.
There are two Acts of Union - English and Scottish. The Scottish one was passed in the Scottish Parliament. It absolutely can be dissolved in the Scottish Parliament. Are you suggesting the British Army should be deployed to arrest the SNP leadership to prevent that from happening?
AIUI the Scottish Parliament decided to dissolve itself and merge with the Westminster Parliament with Scotland sending representatives to sit in the U.K. Parliament
Some years later, the U.K. parliament votes to create a devolved Parliament at Holyrood which has certain prescribed powers with other powers reserved to Westminster.
It does not follow that Holyrood is a recreation of the original Scottish Parliament, but it’s instead a devolved body from Westminster. Hence I don’t think that it can “just dissolve the Union”.
That’s not to saw that Scotland can’t go down UDI route if it wants to, but I don’t think it can claim to be acting within the law if it does0 -
I'm no fan of Trump but assuming the result of an election in November from polls in July seems to be foolish.Anabobazina said:I’m a Trump opponent who cannot see past a Trump victory.
But...
Trump hasn’t led an FL poll since 12 March.
That’s quite something.
What are the views of the PB Trumptons? @MrEd @HYUFD @Luckyguy1983 @Ave_it
?
Back in 1988 Dukakis led George W Bush at this time but was comfortably beaten 54-46 on polling day.
In 2016 the polls were more volatile and indeed let's not forget Clinton won the popular vote 48-46 but the votes weren't where she needed them.
The other concern (and this is why I try to check the crosstabs) is the polls are oversampling pro-Democratic groups and undersampling pro-Republican groups. Now, I suspect after what happened last time the polling organisations have tightened their sampling and methodology but there's a worry "shy Trump" votes aren't showing up and the headlines are artificially strong for Biden.
We've also got the issue of vote distribution - if all Biden is doing is piling up votes in the North East and West Trump still has a chance - that's why I look at the Midwest and South numbers on the national polls and of course State polls may be more informative.
There are really only ten states at most which matter - Biden won't win Oklahoma and Trump won't win Delaware. The "swing" states have big EC numbers especially Florida but also Pennsylvania. Just by gaining those Biden converts a 306-232 electoral college deficit to a 281-257 lead. In short, Trump needs to hold almost everything he won last time while Biden will win comfortably with three or four of the right pick ups.
Add Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona and Biden wins 318-220.0 -
It's not as if there's a secret sauce in the vaccine, is there?Nigelb said:0 -
He kept the megashit that was Ken Livingstone out of power, something to be very grateful for.Scott_xP said:
But we are many years into his career.squareroot2 said:I don't like Boris myself, but we are less than a year(in fact only 7 months into his premiership). I think he needs time.
We know he comes up with grand schemes that are never delivered.
We know he lies more easily than breathing.
He doesn't need any more time to show us just what a shit he really is.
Have you ever met a politician who did not lie? You are far too precious, especially when governed by your own political views.0 -
Yup, at least FIFA and Collina are taking control of VAR next season, I'm hoping for an improvement.tlg86 said:
It's stopped being funny.TheScreamingEagles said:If it wasn't for VAR Manchester United would be middle table.
I mean it works everywhere else, so no more Mike Riley calling the shots will help.0 -
https://twitter.com/BeckettUnite/status/1283838922179653632
Unite TV?
Don't say we haven't been warned!0 -
I have it on very good authority that this is the answer: the Little Black Book actually belonged to Ghislaine Maxwell, and Epstein inherited it (and used some of it).IanB2 said:
Somehow it just seems right that he ended up in Epstein’s address book, whether he did anything to deserve it or not. Maybe one of Epstein’s (other) hobbies was looking up the contact details of other prominent creepy guys?Alistair said:
This is why it is so biased to very sociable figures in West London circa 1990-1995 (they almost outnumber the Yanks)
That is what all my friends in West London are saying, anyway0 -
What's changing next season? No more Stockley Park?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, at least FIFA and Collina are taking control of VAR next season, I'm hoping for an improvement.tlg86 said:
It's stopped being funny.TheScreamingEagles said:If it wasn't for VAR Manchester United would be middle table.
I mean it works everywhere else, so no more Mike Riley calling the shots will help.0 -
The entire security risk angle was VERY weak beer. As noted by perceptive observers right from the get go; for example imagined pillow talk re: nuclear throw-weights and other esoterica wa beyond Miss Keeler's ken.ClippP said:
I would have said that Profumo was verging on the criminal. He was Minister of Defence and was sharing a whore with a Russian spy. This at the height of the Cold War.Charles said:
Jack was a good man. His ostracism was verging on the criminalSeaShantyIrish2 said:
IF that is in fact the case, then isn't still the Chief Whip's job to have sussed that out?Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
In Profumo case, government could have saved itself a LOT of grief IF they had asked the minister the right questions - and enough of them - at the critical juncture. Instead, they rushed it & muffed it.
"Well they would, wouldn't they?" - Mandy Rice Davies
And yet Charles sees him as "a good man". It is the same sense of entitlement that we see again today among the Tory toffs who hang around government as part of the Johnson clique. All jolly good fun, eh chaps?
BUT given Cold War in general and number of previous spy-sex scandals in particular, it was stupid. But hardly criminal. And the only "special privilege" that Mr Profumo was seeking, was that of having a fling with an available woman who plenty of guys found exceedingly attractive.0 -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/07/09/premier-league-will-have-fall-line-fifa-takes-control-var-protocols/Philip_Thompson said:
What's changing next season? No more Stockley Park?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, at least FIFA and Collina are taking control of VAR next season, I'm hoping for an improvement.tlg86 said:
It's stopped being funny.TheScreamingEagles said:If it wasn't for VAR Manchester United would be middle table.
I mean it works everywhere else, so no more Mike Riley calling the shots will help.0 -
What a dumb stunt. At least Boris going through a wall in a bulldozer was visually interesting, if silly.Scott_xP said:0 -
Indeed, let us not forget that since WW2 there have been 6 occasions when the presidential candidate who led at least half the polls or more in July of election year lost the presidential election, July 1948 when Dewey led Truman, July 1968 when Humphrey led Nixon in half the polls, July 1980 when Carter led Reagan in half the polls, July 1988 when Dukakis led Bush Snr and July 2004 when Kerry led George W Bush and of course July 2016 when Hillary led Trump.stodge said:
I'm no fan of Trump but assuming the result of an election in November from polls in July seems to be foolish.Anabobazina said:I’m a Trump opponent who cannot see past a Trump victory.
But...
Trump hasn’t led an FL poll since 12 March.
That’s quite something.
What are the views of the PB Trumptons? @MrEd @HYUFD @Luckyguy1983 @Ave_it
?
Back in 1988 Dukakis led George W Bush at this time but was comfortably beaten 54-46 on polling day.
In 2016 the polls were more volatile and indeed let's not forget Clinton won the popular vote 48-46 but the votes weren't where she needed them.
The other concern (and this is why I try to check the crosstabs) is the polls are oversampling pro-Democratic groups and undersampling pro-Republican groups. Now, I suspect after what happened last time the polling organisations have tightened their sampling and methodology but there's a worry "shy Trump" votes aren't showing up and the headlines are artificially strong for Biden.
We've also got the issue of vote distribution - if all Biden is doing is piling up votes in the North East and West Trump still has a chance - that's why I look at the Midwest and South numbers on the national polls and of course State polls may be more informative.
There are really only ten states at most which matter - Biden won't win Oklahoma and Trump won't win Delaware. The "swing" states have big EC numbers especially Florida but also Pennsylvania. Just by gaining those Biden converts a 306-232 electoral college deficit to a 281-257 lead. In short, Trump needs to hold almost everything he won last time while Biden will win comfortably with three or four of the right pick ups.
Add Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona and Biden wins 318-220.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_United_States_presidential_elections
It is still a long way to November0 -
Am I alone in finding the inevitable election of doddery Joe Biden quite infinitely depressing? And only outweighed by the even-worse alternative?rottenborough said:
What a time for the USA, the leader of the Free World, to come up with this terrible choice of feckwits.
The West needs a vigorous, liberal leader. A hero. Someone willing to stand up to China and Russia, Instead, we have two old men who can barely speak coherently, who are differentiated only by one being, amazingly, even worse than the other.
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Understood. You don’t like, but will defend, the duplicitous snakes in charge.Charles said:
Nope. There are few politicians I like, and certainly not the current bunch of reprobates.Nigelb said:
Unless they’re in charge ?Charles said:
I don’t like duplicitous snakes. Simple as that.Nigelb said:
I think Charles is overexerting himself in defence of hierarchy.Stuartinromford said:
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
One can stretch a guiding principle too far....
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The newt limning world seems quite...racy.LadyG said:
I have it on very good authority that this is the answer: the Little Black Book actually belonged to Ghislaine Maxwell, and Epstein inherited it (and used some of it).IanB2 said:
Somehow it just seems right that he ended up in Epstein’s address book, whether he did anything to deserve it or not. Maybe one of Epstein’s (other) hobbies was looking up the contact details of other prominent creepy guys?Alistair said:
This is why it is so biased to very sociable figures in West London circa 1990-1995 (they almost outnumber the Yanks)
That is what all my friends in West London are saying, anyway0 -
If Biden does win Florida, then it's very hard to see how Trump remains President. That being said... let's not forget than in 2018, Florida returned a Republican Governor and a Republican Senator. The state shows no signs of being (even semi-reliably) Blue.stodge said:
I'm no fan of Trump but assuming the result of an election in November from polls in July seems to be foolish.Anabobazina said:I’m a Trump opponent who cannot see past a Trump victory.
But...
Trump hasn’t led an FL poll since 12 March.
That’s quite something.
What are the views of the PB Trumptons? @MrEd @HYUFD @Luckyguy1983 @Ave_it
?
Back in 1988 Dukakis led George W Bush at this time but was comfortably beaten 54-46 on polling day.
In 2016 the polls were more volatile and indeed let's not forget Clinton won the popular vote 48-46 but the votes weren't where she needed them.
The other concern (and this is why I try to check the crosstabs) is the polls are oversampling pro-Democratic groups and undersampling pro-Republican groups. Now, I suspect after what happened last time the polling organisations have tightened their sampling and methodology but there's a worry "shy Trump" votes aren't showing up and the headlines are artificially strong for Biden.
We've also got the issue of vote distribution - if all Biden is doing is piling up votes in the North East and West Trump still has a chance - that's why I look at the Midwest and South numbers on the national polls and of course State polls may be more informative.
There are really only ten states at most which matter - Biden won't win Oklahoma and Trump won't win Delaware. The "swing" states have big EC numbers especially Florida but also Pennsylvania. Just by gaining those Biden converts a 306-232 electoral college deficit to a 281-257 lead. In short, Trump needs to hold almost everything he won last time while Biden will win comfortably with three or four of the right pick ups.
Add Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona and Biden wins 318-220.0 -
Unfortunately Nick Clegg is barred due to not being a US citizen.LadyG said:
Am I alone in finding the inevitable election of doddery Joe Biden quite infinitely depressing? And only outweighed by the even-worse alternative?rottenborough said:
What a time for the USA, the leader of the Free World, to come up with this terrible choice of feckwits.
The West needs a vigorous, liberal leader. A hero. Someone willing to stand up to China and Russia, Instead, we have two old men who can barely speak coherently, who are differentiated only by one being, amazingly, even worse than the other.0 -
Sounds like E & M were trolling (the old fashioned way) for business.LadyG said:
I have it on very good authority that this is the answer: the Little Black Book actually belonged to Ghislaine Maxwell, and Epstein inherited it (and used some of it).IanB2 said:
Somehow it just seems right that he ended up in Epstein’s address book, whether he did anything to deserve it or not. Maybe one of Epstein’s (other) hobbies was looking up the contact details of other prominent creepy guys?Alistair said:
This is why it is so biased to very sociable figures in West London circa 1990-1995 (they almost outnumber the Yanks)
That is what all my friends in West London are saying, anyway
It's rich, high-society types with money or access to those with money who were the focus of the customer side of their business model.0 -
I once strayed into watercolour portraiture of the slow-worm. Never again.Theuniondivvie said:
The newt limning world seems quite...racy.LadyG said:
I have it on very good authority that this is the answer: the Little Black Book actually belonged to Ghislaine Maxwell, and Epstein inherited it (and used some of it).IanB2 said:
Somehow it just seems right that he ended up in Epstein’s address book, whether he did anything to deserve it or not. Maybe one of Epstein’s (other) hobbies was looking up the contact details of other prominent creepy guys?Alistair said:
This is why it is so biased to very sociable figures in West London circa 1990-1995 (they almost outnumber the Yanks)
That is what all my friends in West London are saying, anyway
Lesson learned!0 -
Any attempt at UDI would probably result in a significant proportion of the Scottish electorate refusing to accept the authority of the Holyrood executive whilst continuing to show loyalty to Westminster. Chaos might well ensue producing conditions where it became reasonable for the UK Government to follow the example of the Heath Government in Spring 1972 when Direct Rule was imposed on Stormont.Charles said:FPT
Philosophically that’s an interesting question (I don’t have a view one way or the other).RochdalePioneers said:
Yes it can. How would rUK stop it? They won't just declare UDI. There will be an election. Then a referendum. Then a result. If the Scottish government is elected on a platform of Indyref2 and then Indyref2 votes for Independence what specifically can rUK do to stop it?RobD said:Scotland also cannot declare independence without the permission of the UK. The position is the same.
There are two Acts of Union - English and Scottish. The Scottish one was passed in the Scottish Parliament. It absolutely can be dissolved in the Scottish Parliament. Are you suggesting the British Army should be deployed to arrest the SNP leadership to prevent that from happening?
AIUI the Scottish Parliament decided to dissolve itself and merge with the Westminster Parliament with Scotland sending representatives to sit in the U.K. Parliament
Some years later, the U.K. parliament votes to create a devolved Parliament at Holyrood which has certain prescribed powers with other powers reserved to Westminster.
It does not follow that Holyrood is a recreation of the original Scottish Parliament, but it’s instead a devolved body from Westminster. Hence I don’t think that it can “just dissolve the Union”.
That’s not to saw that Scotland can’t go down UDI route if it wants to, but I don’t think it can claim to be acting within the law if it does0 -
109 days.stodge said:
I'm no fan of Trump but assuming the result of an election in November from polls in July seems to be foolish.Anabobazina said:I’m a Trump opponent who cannot see past a Trump victory.
But...
Trump hasn’t led an FL poll since 12 March.
That’s quite something.
What are the views of the PB Trumptons? @MrEd @HYUFD @Luckyguy1983 @Ave_it
?
Back in 1988 Dukakis led George W Bush at this time but was comfortably beaten 54-46 on polling day.
In 2016 the polls were more volatile and indeed let's not forget Clinton won the popular vote 48-46 but the votes weren't where she needed them.
The other concern (and this is why I try to check the crosstabs) is the polls are oversampling pro-Democratic groups and undersampling pro-Republican groups. Now, I suspect after what happened last time the polling organisations have tightened their sampling and methodology but there's a worry "shy Trump" votes aren't showing up and the headlines are artificially strong for Biden.
We've also got the issue of vote distribution - if all Biden is doing is piling up votes in the North East and West Trump still has a chance - that's why I look at the Midwest and South numbers on the national polls and of course State polls may be more informative.
There are really only ten states at most which matter - Biden won't win Oklahoma and Trump won't win Delaware. The "swing" states have big EC numbers especially Florida but also Pennsylvania. Just by gaining those Biden converts a 306-232 electoral college deficit to a 281-257 lead. In short, Trump needs to hold almost everything he won last time while Biden will win comfortably with three or four of the right pick ups.
Add Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona and Biden wins 318-220.
That's how long there is left. And the US economy is worsening again - particularly in Florida, Arizona, Texas and Georgia.0 -
Miami & South Florida current epicenter of Covid in USA.rcs1000 said:
If Biden does win Florida, then it's very hard to see how Trump remains President. That being said... let's not forget than in 2018, Florida returned a Republican Governor and a Republican Senator. The state shows no signs of being (even semi-reliably) Blue.stodge said:
I'm no fan of Trump but assuming the result of an election in November from polls in July seems to be foolish.Anabobazina said:I’m a Trump opponent who cannot see past a Trump victory.
But...
Trump hasn’t led an FL poll since 12 March.
That’s quite something.
What are the views of the PB Trumptons? @MrEd @HYUFD @Luckyguy1983 @Ave_it
?
Back in 1988 Dukakis led George W Bush at this time but was comfortably beaten 54-46 on polling day.
In 2016 the polls were more volatile and indeed let's not forget Clinton won the popular vote 48-46 but the votes weren't where she needed them.
The other concern (and this is why I try to check the crosstabs) is the polls are oversampling pro-Democratic groups and undersampling pro-Republican groups. Now, I suspect after what happened last time the polling organisations have tightened their sampling and methodology but there's a worry "shy Trump" votes aren't showing up and the headlines are artificially strong for Biden.
We've also got the issue of vote distribution - if all Biden is doing is piling up votes in the North East and West Trump still has a chance - that's why I look at the Midwest and South numbers on the national polls and of course State polls may be more informative.
There are really only ten states at most which matter - Biden won't win Oklahoma and Trump won't win Delaware. The "swing" states have big EC numbers especially Florida but also Pennsylvania. Just by gaining those Biden converts a 306-232 electoral college deficit to a 281-257 lead. In short, Trump needs to hold almost everything he won last time while Biden will win comfortably with three or four of the right pick ups.
Add Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona and Biden wins 318-220.
Also, note the electoral power of Sunshine State's disproportionate number of geezers - a group that was one of Trumpsky's best in 2016, but which is heavily impacted by the Crud, and which polling shows is becoming seriously disaffected from our Fearless Leader.0 -
Yes. If Trumpski loses, it will be because he failed the oldies re CV-19.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Miami & South Florida current epicenter of Covid in USA.rcs1000 said:
If Biden does win Florida, then it's very hard to see how Trump remains President. That being said... let's not forget than in 2018, Florida returned a Republican Governor and a Republican Senator. The state shows no signs of being (even semi-reliably) Blue.stodge said:
I'm no fan of Trump but assuming the result of an election in November from polls in July seems to be foolish.Anabobazina said:I’m a Trump opponent who cannot see past a Trump victory.
But...
Trump hasn’t led an FL poll since 12 March.
That’s quite something.
What are the views of the PB Trumptons? @MrEd @HYUFD @Luckyguy1983 @Ave_it
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Back in 1988 Dukakis led George W Bush at this time but was comfortably beaten 54-46 on polling day.
In 2016 the polls were more volatile and indeed let's not forget Clinton won the popular vote 48-46 but the votes weren't where she needed them.
The other concern (and this is why I try to check the crosstabs) is the polls are oversampling pro-Democratic groups and undersampling pro-Republican groups. Now, I suspect after what happened last time the polling organisations have tightened their sampling and methodology but there's a worry "shy Trump" votes aren't showing up and the headlines are artificially strong for Biden.
We've also got the issue of vote distribution - if all Biden is doing is piling up votes in the North East and West Trump still has a chance - that's why I look at the Midwest and South numbers on the national polls and of course State polls may be more informative.
There are really only ten states at most which matter - Biden won't win Oklahoma and Trump won't win Delaware. The "swing" states have big EC numbers especially Florida but also Pennsylvania. Just by gaining those Biden converts a 306-232 electoral college deficit to a 281-257 lead. In short, Trump needs to hold almost everything he won last time while Biden will win comfortably with three or four of the right pick ups.
Add Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona and Biden wins 318-220.
Also, note the electoral power of Sunshine State's disproportionate number of geezers - a group that was one of Trumpsky's best in 2016, but which is heavily impacted by the Crud, and which polling shows is becoming seriously disaffected from our Fearless Leader.0 -
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Of course he HAS been thinning out the seniors - talk about yer voter suppression!rcs1000 said:
Yes. If Trumpski loses, it will be because he failed the oldies re CV-19.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Miami & South Florida current epicenter of Covid in USA.rcs1000 said:
If Biden does win Florida, then it's very hard to see how Trump remains President. That being said... let's not forget than in 2018, Florida returned a Republican Governor and a Republican Senator. The state shows no signs of being (even semi-reliably) Blue.stodge said:
I'm no fan of Trump but assuming the result of an election in November from polls in July seems to be foolish.Anabobazina said:I’m a Trump opponent who cannot see past a Trump victory.
But...
Trump hasn’t led an FL poll since 12 March.
That’s quite something.
What are the views of the PB Trumptons? @MrEd @HYUFD @Luckyguy1983 @Ave_it
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Back in 1988 Dukakis led George W Bush at this time but was comfortably beaten 54-46 on polling day.
In 2016 the polls were more volatile and indeed let's not forget Clinton won the popular vote 48-46 but the votes weren't where she needed them.
The other concern (and this is why I try to check the crosstabs) is the polls are oversampling pro-Democratic groups and undersampling pro-Republican groups. Now, I suspect after what happened last time the polling organisations have tightened their sampling and methodology but there's a worry "shy Trump" votes aren't showing up and the headlines are artificially strong for Biden.
We've also got the issue of vote distribution - if all Biden is doing is piling up votes in the North East and West Trump still has a chance - that's why I look at the Midwest and South numbers on the national polls and of course State polls may be more informative.
There are really only ten states at most which matter - Biden won't win Oklahoma and Trump won't win Delaware. The "swing" states have big EC numbers especially Florida but also Pennsylvania. Just by gaining those Biden converts a 306-232 electoral college deficit to a 281-257 lead. In short, Trump needs to hold almost everything he won last time while Biden will win comfortably with three or four of the right pick ups.
Add Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona and Biden wins 318-220.
Also, note the electoral power of Sunshine State's disproportionate number of geezers - a group that was one of Trumpsky's best in 2016, but which is heavily impacted by the Crud, and which polling shows is becoming seriously disaffected from our Fearless Leader.0 -
I doubt it's that many people...rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1283864624341942273
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10:35 PM With coronavirus cases on the rise in 39 of the 50 US states, Arizona and Texas are preparing for the worst and have started to mobilize refrigerated trucks to use them as temporary morgues as the number of burials multiplies. In the Arizonian county of Maricopa, the one with the most cases in the entire state, the medical examiner's office plans to start using four refrigerated trucks this Thursday, since0
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I've looked at it. And it SEEMS to be true. Caveat Emptorrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1283864624341942273
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It’s not big pharma that’s growing rich on the back of the pandemic...
https://twitter.com/fmanjoo/status/12838016408819302420 -
Dad just back from the pub. It was absolutely dead; only a couple of people in there.0
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Would be a welcome downward revision.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1283864624341942273
Tell me this isn't true.
This why the PHE figures vary substantially from day to day. For example, 16 new deaths were announced on 6th July, but the following day, 152 were reported – today’s figure is 66.
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Anyone using anything other than overall excess mortality numbers to calculate the impact of CV-19 is an idiot.2
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Two thirds of the population of Arizona live in Maricopa county. Not too surprising it has the most cases!nichomar said:10:35 PM With coronavirus cases on the rise in 39 of the 50 US states, Arizona and Texas are preparing for the worst and have started to mobilize refrigerated trucks to use them as temporary morgues as the number of burials multiplies. In the Arizonian county of Maricopa, the one with the most cases in the entire state, the medical examiner's office plans to start using four refrigerated trucks this Thursday, since
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4 El Real Madrid se ha proclamado campeón de LaLiga Santander tras ganar al Villarreal por 2-1. El equipo ha pedido a los aficionados que no vayan a Cibeles a celebrar la victoria, una petición que por el momento se está respetando1
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I can see all this heading toward the revelation that she was abused by her father.LadyG said:
I have it on very good authority that this is the answer: the Little Black Book actually belonged to Ghislaine Maxwell, and Epstein inherited it (and used some of it).IanB2 said:
Somehow it just seems right that he ended up in Epstein’s address book, whether he did anything to deserve it or not. Maybe one of Epstein’s (other) hobbies was looking up the contact details of other prominent creepy guys?Alistair said:
This is why it is so biased to very sociable figures in West London circa 1990-1995 (they almost outnumber the Yanks)
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On the other hand, US hospitals aren't doing profitable elective surgeries and are haemorrhaging cash.Nigelb said:It’s not big pharma that’s growing rich on the back of the pandemic...
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London Anecdata:tlg86 said:Dad just back from the pub. It was absolutely dead; only a couple of people in there.
went on the Tube today. Busiest I have seen it since early lockdown. However it was only like a quiet Sunday, so progress is slow. But better than nothing.
An observation: mask usage is now about 95%. It is near universal, and failure to wear a mask gets frowns and scoldings. Also: the people most willing to go without a mask are attractive young women.
True story.
My guess is that this is Darwinian. Attractive young women don't want to give up their mating advantages - look at me, I'm pretty - so they are still determined to look cute and earn admirers.1 -
You mistake explanation and defenceNigelb said:
Understood. You don’t like, but will defend, the duplicitous snakes in charge.Charles said:
Nope. There are few politicians I like, and certainly not the current bunch of reprobates.Nigelb said:
Unless they’re in charge ?Charles said:
I don’t like duplicitous snakes. Simple as that.Nigelb said:
I think Charles is overexerting himself in defence of hierarchy.Stuartinromford said:
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
One can stretch a guiding principle too far....
The government shouldn’t have tried to intervene in the election.
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Excess deaths are what matter. They are large.LadyG said:
I've looked at it. And it SEEMS to be true. Caveat Emptorrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1283864624341942273
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Well that's something she has in common with TrumpIanB2 said:
I can see all this heading toward the revelation that she was abused by her father.LadyG said:
I have it on very good authority that this is the answer: the Little Black Book actually belonged to Ghislaine Maxwell, and Epstein inherited it (and used some of it).IanB2 said:
Somehow it just seems right that he ended up in Epstein’s address book, whether he did anything to deserve it or not. Maybe one of Epstein’s (other) hobbies was looking up the contact details of other prominent creepy guys?Alistair said:
This is why it is so biased to very sociable figures in West London circa 1990-1995 (they almost outnumber the Yanks)
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Fair point.Charles said:
Excess deaths are what matter. They are large.LadyG said:
I've looked at it. And it SEEMS to be true. Caveat Emptorrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1283864624341942273
Tell me this isn't true.
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Friend of mine's father, this very year, had successful chemotherapy treatment, went into remission, then caught Covid. Recovered after 3 weeks in hospital, was discharged, and died 3 days later of a heart attack! Quite a 2020.tlg86 said:
I doubt it's that many people...rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1283864624341942273
Tell me this isn't true.
He really ought not to be a CV 19 death. Though it couldn't have helped.0 -
Charles said:
... says the Scarer-in-ChiefLadyG said:
I've looked at it. And it SEEMS to be true. Caveat Emptorrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1283864624341942273
Tell me this isn't true.
But if is true, we may have unjustifiably scared ourselves into a Great Depression...1 -
Such an unhelpful comment. It's like someone being sacked by Neil Kinnock and saying they will loyally defend Michael Foot's manifesto.dr_spyn said:Is Labour's swamp being drained? https://twitter.com/lloyd_rm/status/1283823256944992257
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Has there been a difference? It certainly looks like the same old s+++ to me.Philip_Thompson said:
7 months into majority premiership though.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're a year into the premiership of Boris Johnson.squareroot2 said:A lovely unbiased thread on Boris by Cyclefree. Not unsurprising , but at least we know where Cyclefree is coming from, if of course there was any doubt.
I don't like Boris myself, but we are less than a year(in fact only 7 months into his premiership). I think he needs time.
One can Imagine Cyclefree lauding Blair in a thread such as this 7 months into his Premiership, only to find out he was absolutely appalling as PM(given that he was effective, if appalling).
There's a world of difference between minority and majority politics.0