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The workers certainly will.williamglenn said:https://reason.com/2019/02/28/he-was-part-of-a-twitter-mob-that-attack/
Project Birch? Does that mean they get a damn good thrashing?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Petercampbell1/status/1276931473434607617
Just let them fail right PB Tories? The free market will prevail?0 -
I had another look at this, and if you adjust the swing in the Marist poll in the South a little in Trump's favour, so that the change on 2016 is Biden +0, Trump -1 (instead of Biden +1, Trump -3 as in the poll), then Trump wins the Electoral College, with Biden taking PA, ME-2 & AZ and Trump picking up MN, to give Trump victory in the Electoral College by 30, while losing the popular vote by 5.9% and 8 million (on the same electorate size as 2016). Florida is the tipping point state.LostPassword said:
That's a welcome reality check, but, on those swings, Biden would pick up PA, ME-2, AZ, FL & NC, with Trump taking MN in the other direction for a margin of 298-240 in Biden's favour.stodge said:Morning all
Thank you for the piece, David, as always an excellent read to start the weekend.
I'm going to offer something different which I think shows the polls aren't as good for Biden as the headline figures suggest.
Taking the latest PBS/Marist poll and comparing it to the 2016 vote and looking at the four "regions" of the US:
In the Northeast which provided 19% of the vote in 2016, Biden leads 62-34 whereas Clinton won the region 55-40 in 2016. That might give Biden a shot at PA and Maine 2 but the Democrats already have a stranglehold on most of the other states.
In the West (21% of the vote in 2016), Biden leads 60-36 compared to 55-39 last time. Biden might win Arizona but all he is doing is piling up votes where he doesn't need them in California.
In the South (37% of the vote in 2016), Trump leads 49-45 whereas he won the region 52-44 in 2016 so the position is little changed with Biden so the question is whether Biden is making any headway in Georgia or Florida or is Trump piling up votes in Kentucky, Tennessee and Mississippi to name but three.
Finally, to the battleground, the Midwest which contributed 23% of the vote last time and which Trump won 49-45. Currently he is up 52-45 so he has improved his position on 2016.
So my reading is Trump's position is far stronger than the headline numbers suggest. Biden is piling up votes where he doesn't need them (the Northeast and the West) but not picking them up where he does in the Midwest and South.
This election is far from over.
It is close though. FL+ME-2, or PA+(NC or FL) would both be enough to hand Trump victory.
As a nightmare scenario it is suitably scary, but it's not implausible.0 -
By this time next week, the Author Brigade of Righteousness will have moved on. Statues last week...Cyclefree said:
It does seem as if some actors seem not to understand what acting actually is.kle4 said:
It certainly did not start there, people have raised that kind of issue for a long time, but the actual problems of representation in the media are not addressed by an approach which makes adhering to a character bio more important than anything else (though if that was part of the Lion King reasoning it makes even less sense).dodrade said:
In that case JK Rowling better watch out in case she's...oh wait...rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
The Simpsons thing is particularly stupid and regressive. The whole point of voice acting is that the performer doesn't have to look anything like their character, hence the sixtysomething Nancy Cartwright can play a 10 year old boy and James Earl Jones can be Darth Vader. Taken to its logical end actors will be forbidden to use anything other than their own accent, which would be particularly bad news for Black British actors in Hollywood.
In retrospect it started last year with the predominantly black cast of "The Lion King" remake on the grounds of it being set in Africa despite the fact Lions aren't people and the human concepts of skin colour/ethnicity simply aren't applicable.
People who should know better do it all the time - Samuel L Jackson initially criticised the casting of a black british actor for Get Out rather than a black american who would have a different, more relevant experience of the issues of the movie. A truly great actor apparently had difficulty with the concept of someone acting.
WIth the recent moves if voice actors don't want to continue the roles anymore, fine, that's their choice, but I found the family guy example strange since he referred to having done the role as an honour. If they think it is wrong for a white guy to do it and so won't anymore, then I don't see how it was an honour, but rather a mistake they regret.
The only way we can even hope to address racism and prejudice is through empathy and imagination - the ability to understand and empathise with people who are not obviously like us, to treat others as we would want to be treated.
All this putting people in boxes and saying that they cannot possibly imagine or act like someone in a different box is designed to prevent us developing and using the imaginative empathy we need.
Remember the poignant slogan of those fighting against slavery: a coin with a black man and the saying “Am I not a man and brother?” Brother, note.
Or see Andrea Levy’s Small Island and the wonderfully insightful, sympathetic and rounded way she describes all the characters, white and black, old and young etc.
Or Alan Bennett who at the age of 41 wrote with such tenderness and insight about people in retirement in “Sunset across the Bay”.
We do need to fight back against this idiotic and self-defeating hysteria that says that you can only write about or act or speak on behalf of people exactly like you.0 -
Surely he should only play those with the same dual heritage. If this nonsense doesn't prioritise some -isms over others (which presumably should be an -ism too), then the logical endpoint is that we can only play ourselves which would at least rid us of costume dramas.Foxy said:
Ben Kingsley is dual heritage so seems fair enough to play both a Gujerati and a Brit.isam said:0 -
You're skating on thin ice here. If there were good evidence of anything anti-semitic about RLB, Starmer would have had a perfect excuse not to put her in the Shadow Cabinet in the first place, and would have made this clear. He has sacked her, as I said previously, because of a zero tolerance approach to the SC being perceived to support/re-tweet anything anti-semitic. She was not victimised - any other SC member who didn't heed the warning on anti-semitism would have been given short shrift as well. The only previous evidence against her was one occasion at a hustings when she didn't handle well an audience member droning on about conspiracies.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes I am and if Mike were to ask me to substantiate it or remove it then I would, but you're not Mike and nor it seems are you interested in politics if you weren't aware of RLB's long, long history of antisemitism.MightyAlex said:
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.Philip_Thompson said:
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.MightyAlex said:
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.Philip_Thompson said:
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
Its been a running theory on this site that she was only kept in the Shadow Cabinet in order to be sacked next time she did anything antisemitic knowing it would only be a matter of time! Why would that be the case if this was her first instance of antisemitism?
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The USP of Twitter is that you can "shout at the telly" and the people on the telly will hear you.LadyG said:
Yes, that is definitely a phenomenon. I am far from convinced Parler is a rival - it seems clunky, and an echo chamber in itself.Floater said:
I think there is a strand of thought that twitter is banning dissenting voices so to be heard they need to moveLadyG said:
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.
But Twitter has a fundamental issue to solve. If it wants to be THE forum for debate (and what else can it be?) then it has to be resilient and protect rightwing voices, as they are in the minority, and they are the ones being cancelled - or quitting.
If it cannot bring itself to do this, it will self-destruct.
Perhaps they should employ Mike Smithson, Our Genial Host, as the daily boss of the site. He has done a sterling job of keeping PB reasonably civil, while at the same time preserving an essential diversity of views. That is why PB is still going, fifteen years later.
PB might outlast Twitter1 -
Parler is coming along nicely as a repository for the extremists of the far right, and may in time also attract some of the very far left. No loss to Twitter - makes their life easier. It may appeal to a handful of people who post on PB.Beibheirli_C said:
Out of pure curiousity, I looked at their "Mission Statement" and it sounds like if people thought Twitter could be vile....Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
I do not use Twitter much. I doubt I will use Parler at all.0 -
John Rentoul is doing the BBC paper review tonight.0
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Riots in Brixton this...Beibheirli_C said:
By this time next week, the Author Brigade of Righteousness will have moved on. Statues last week...Cyclefree said:
It does seem as if some actors seem not to understand what acting actually is.kle4 said:
It certainly did not start there, people have raised that kind of issue for a long time, but the actual problems of representation in the media are not addressed by an approach which makes adhering to a character bio more important than anything else (though if that was part of the Lion King reasoning it makes even less sense).dodrade said:
In that case JK Rowling better watch out in case she's...oh wait...rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
The Simpsons thing is particularly stupid and regressive. The whole point of voice acting is that the performer doesn't have to look anything like their character, hence the sixtysomething Nancy Cartwright can play a 10 year old boy and James Earl Jones can be Darth Vader. Taken to its logical end actors will be forbidden to use anything other than their own accent, which would be particularly bad news for Black British actors in Hollywood.
In retrospect it started last year with the predominantly black cast of "The Lion King" remake on the grounds of it being set in Africa despite the fact Lions aren't people and the human concepts of skin colour/ethnicity simply aren't applicable.
People who should know better do it all the time - Samuel L Jackson initially criticised the casting of a black british actor for Get Out rather than a black american who would have a different, more relevant experience of the issues of the movie. A truly great actor apparently had difficulty with the concept of someone acting.
WIth the recent moves if voice actors don't want to continue the roles anymore, fine, that's their choice, but I found the family guy example strange since he referred to having done the role as an honour. If they think it is wrong for a white guy to do it and so won't anymore, then I don't see how it was an honour, but rather a mistake they regret.
The only way we can even hope to address racism and prejudice is through empathy and imagination - the ability to understand and empathise with people who are not obviously like us, to treat others as we would want to be treated.
All this putting people in boxes and saying that they cannot possibly imagine or act like someone in a different box is designed to prevent us developing and using the imaginative empathy we need.
Remember the poignant slogan of those fighting against slavery: a coin with a black man and the saying “Am I not a man and brother?” Brother, note.
Or see Andrea Levy’s Small Island and the wonderfully insightful, sympathetic and rounded way she describes all the characters, white and black, old and young etc.
Or Alan Bennett who at the age of 41 wrote with such tenderness and insight about people in retirement in “Sunset across the Bay”.
We do need to fight back against this idiotic and self-defeating hysteria that says that you can only write about or act or speak on behalf of people exactly like you.0 -
Parler is an unbiased social media focused on real user experiences and engagement.Philip_Thompson said:
Clicking the link it asks for Login or Sign Up so guessing it isn't public like Twitter.Andy_JS said:Experiment to see if a Parler post shows up on here. This one is from Douglas Carswell. (Looks like the answer is no).
https://parler.com/post-view?q=c01fde0e633944aca3a2d967456f8f6c
Absolute wank.1 -
The idea that right wing voices "need protecting" on Twitter is the most ludicrous thing I have read from the sites most ludicrous poster.LadyG said:
But Twitter has a fundamental issue to solve. If it wants to be THE forum for debate (and what else can it be?) then it has to be resilient and protect rightwing voices, as they are in the minority, and they are the ones being cancelled - or quitting.Floater said:
I think there is a strand of thought that twitter is banning dissenting voices so to be heard they need to moveLadyG said:
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.
The desperate attempt to claim victimhood is quite sensationally pathetic to see.4 -
They can keep it. It will be a gift to the security agencies though. I expect they all have phantom accounts and lists of free-speech-commentersNorthern_Al said:
Parler is coming along nicely as a repository for the extremists of the far right, and may in time also attract some of the very far left. No loss to Twitter - makes their life easier. It may appeal to a handful of people who post on PB.Beibheirli_C said:
Out of pure curiousity, I looked at their "Mission Statement" and it sounds like if people thought Twitter could be vile....Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
I do not use Twitter much. I doubt I will use Parler at all.
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Yes, Soulsby is a sound guy, and while poorly not many are needing to be inpatients. The five schools closed for deep cleaning were infected teachers from what I hear, rather than pupils.another_richard said:
What lockdown ? The 'evidence' is actually a denial:Foxy said:
The Mayor of Leicester only heard about a lockdown when Peston blogged on it. Seems that the characteristic communications incompetence of the government.ABZ said:
Thanks. Hopefully, as in North Wales, the additional testing + isolation will work and the number of new cases will decline soon.Foxy said:
No, it is a working age population, with milder disease, at least at present. I think we have 62 inpatients with it, but few in ICU. At the peak we had over 200 inpatients and 55 on ICU.ABZ said:
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?Foxy said:
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...rottenborough said:
Lock down in Leicester?FrancisUrquhart said:
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/what-city-council-says-reports-4270800
In a blog, Peston quoted an unnamed senior Government official as saying: “It would need to be driven by the data and we’re not at that stage right now. We are very actively managing [this] and analysing it at the moment. Time will tell."
Inpatient numbers dropped over the week, and there are pop up testing centres at Victoria Park and at Spinney Hill. No need to panic at present.1 -
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They won't even ban Nazis.LadyG said:
It's just maths. Twitter is leftwingAlistair said:
The idea that right wing voices "need protecting" on Twitter is the most ludicrous thing I have read from the sites most ludicrous poster.LadyG said:
But Twitter has a fundamental issue to solve. If it wants to be THE forum for debate (and what else can it be?) then it has to be resilient and protect rightwing voices, as they are in the minority, and they are the ones being cancelled - or quitting.Floater said:
I think there is a strand of thought that twitter is banning dissenting voices so to be heard they need to moveLadyG said:
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.
The desperate attempt to claim victimhood is quite sensationally pathetic to see.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/09/twitter-left-leftwing-customers-small-business
It's editorial bias skews Left. It is more likely to censor the right. This is not seriously in dispute.0 -
He is a good actor though.isam said:
Personally I am quite happy with gender and colour blind casting, except where essential to the plot.2 -
Why on Earth would Facebook die first? Its one of the worlds most profitable companies!CorrectHorseBattery said:
On this I pretty much agree with you.LadyG said:
I think both are in trouble. It is the nature of the beast. Social media evolves fast. Myspace? Bebo? Snapchat?CorrectHorseBattery said:Parler has a few million users, Twitter has 321 million a month.
I don't think Twitter is worried about some nutters being banned from their platform. Of course it is interesting to see the same people who were insistent that Facebook wasn't in trouble when I said it was, say the same about Twitter with little evidence for it. Partisanship is responsible for that, I think.
Facebook has gone from youthful amazebomb to granny-posts-a-photo. Twitter is now evolving from sassy news and political arguments to Lefties ranting at... no one, in the end.
Neither arc is positive.
But other media will take over. Who knows what.
Facebook will die first I think - but I believe in 10 years we will be using something else.
Snapchat will be the first to shut down, as it's been totally eclipsed by Instagram (which I realise is owned by Facebook).
Facebook is turning a profit every single year, it is currently the 14th most profitable company in the globe - beating global giants Intel and Exxon and falling just behing Royal Dutch Shell and Wells Fargo.
Twitter on the other hand is currently loss-making and has made a loss most years since it was launched.0 -
Jonathan Pie has a few things to say about the Woke Utopia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5TVLEaqqdI0 -
Parler is rubbish, the right’s backside, up which it is determined to disappear.1
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No thin ice at all.Northern_Al said:
You're skating on thin ice here. If there were good evidence of anything anti-semitic about RLB, Starmer would have had a perfect excuse not to put her in the Shadow Cabinet in the first place, and would have made this clear. He has sacked her, as I said previously, because of a zero tolerance approach to the SC being perceived to support/re-tweet anything anti-semitic. She was not victimised - any other SC member who didn't heed the warning on anti-semitism would have been given short shrift as well. The only previous evidence against her was one occasion at a hustings when she didn't handle well an audience member droning on about conspiracies.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes I am and if Mike were to ask me to substantiate it or remove it then I would, but you're not Mike and nor it seems are you interested in politics if you weren't aware of RLB's long, long history of antisemitism.MightyAlex said:
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.Philip_Thompson said:
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.MightyAlex said:
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.Philip_Thompson said:
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
Its been a running theory on this site that she was only kept in the Shadow Cabinet in order to be sacked next time she did anything antisemitic knowing it would only be a matter of time! Why would that be the case if this was her first instance of antisemitism?
She was criticised for her antisemitism and her soft nature on antisemitism repeatedly during the leadership campaign. Including by some of her fellow MPs and leadership rivals (though not Starmer who had no need to do so).
If you're claiming to be genuinely shocked that RLB has put her foot in it with antisemitism now then I think you're hopelessly naive.0 -
Me too 👍🏻Foxy said:
He is a good actor though.isam said:
Personally I am quite happy with gender and colour blind casting, except where essential to the plot.0 -
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/tmc-2-week-projection-using-bed-occupancy-growth/LadyG said:
Scary. At what point does Texas run out of ICU beds?Alistair said:
Houston is at capacity. They can double capacity for a short while.0 -
That's not evidence of antisemitism at all though, is it? It's accusations, but you don't provide the evidence. Being insufficiently vigorous in the fight against racism wouldn't make you a racist, would it?Philip_Thompson said:
No thin ice at all.Northern_Al said:
You're skating on thin ice here. If there were good evidence of anything anti-semitic about RLB, Starmer would have had a perfect excuse not to put her in the Shadow Cabinet in the first place, and would have made this clear. He has sacked her, as I said previously, because of a zero tolerance approach to the SC being perceived to support/re-tweet anything anti-semitic. She was not victimised - any other SC member who didn't heed the warning on anti-semitism would have been given short shrift as well. The only previous evidence against her was one occasion at a hustings when she didn't handle well an audience member droning on about conspiracies.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes I am and if Mike were to ask me to substantiate it or remove it then I would, but you're not Mike and nor it seems are you interested in politics if you weren't aware of RLB's long, long history of antisemitism.MightyAlex said:
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.Philip_Thompson said:
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.MightyAlex said:
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.Philip_Thompson said:
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
Its been a running theory on this site that she was only kept in the Shadow Cabinet in order to be sacked next time she did anything antisemitic knowing it would only be a matter of time! Why would that be the case if this was her first instance of antisemitism?
She was criticised for her antisemitism and her soft nature on antisemitism repeatedly during the leadership campaign. Including by some of her fellow MPs and leadership rivals (though not Starmer who had no need to do so).
If you're claiming to be genuinely shocked that RLB has put her foot in it with antisemitism now then I think you're hopelessly naive.
Just to be clear, I have no time for RLB, but there are easier things to be against her for than an imagined history of antisemitism.0 -
Yes, Facebook Inc - although I am quite sure they change their name and Zuck gets kicked out at some stage - is very much like a Google, its value is in advertising.Philip_Thompson said:
Facebook the company will probably do fine. They own Whatsapp and Insta, they are still acquiring other companies and ideas, they are so big it is hard to see them failing for decades
I am talking (and I think CHB is talking) about Facebook the social media platform. It is visibly in decline. And once a social media platform gets the whiff of unpopularity, it can fall spectacularly quickly: Myspace
But Facebook the website, I believe is dying slowly and will be supplanted - and is being - by Instagram and by WhatsApp.
Personally I think Facebook's name is forever damaged after Cambridge Analytica and it's been on the slow crash since then.
A rebrand would likely do them well.
Twitter I find far more interesting, the CEO seems far more likeable than Zuck for a start.0 -
RLB will herself be important here. She undoubtedly knows that Corbyn is and was a complete toad. She undoubtedly also knows that Starmer is far better. Given she's only 12 years old, there's a long path ahead of her, and the allies she may keep on the left are hopeless, whereas a little footwork in the middle ground will help with the more capable people in Labour.0
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TikTok is crap though.0
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TikTok is the most revolutionary thing to happen to social media in a long time. I think what makes it so successful is that it blends a universal experience with something very tailored to specific demographics. It's like going back to the era of 4 TV channels.LadyG said:
Yes, I don't think it is going to work. Too obviously RIGHT. And glitchyJonathan said:Parler is rubbish, the right’s backside, up which it is determined to disappear.
There is room for a political social medium, however, to overtake Twitter, as a space that *really protects free speech*. I wonder if it might come from China. What a troll to the entire West that would be. The Chinese did Tik Tok.0 -
The only curious thing about RLB is why the left invested all its hopes and dreams in her. It was such an unforced error. If they had somehow managed to square themselves with Rayner for example they would have won.0
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Yes, the most frightened right wing snowflakes may even start to hide their twitter accounts, out of sheer paranoia. Imagine that happening.LadyG said:
Not if the only things you can shout are leftwing. Or Woke.williamglenn said:
The USP of Twitter is that you can "shout at the telly" and the people on the telly will hear you.LadyG said:
Yes, that is definitely a phenomenon. I am far from convinced Parler is a rival - it seems clunky, and an echo chamber in itself.Floater said:
I think there is a strand of thought that twitter is banning dissenting voices so to be heard they need to moveLadyG said:
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.
But Twitter has a fundamental issue to solve. If it wants to be THE forum for debate (and what else can it be?) then it has to be resilient and protect rightwing voices, as they are in the minority, and they are the ones being cancelled - or quitting.
If it cannot bring itself to do this, it will self-destruct.
Perhaps they should employ Mike Smithson, Our Genial Host, as the daily boss of the site. He has done a sterling job of keeping PB reasonably civil, while at the same time preserving an essential diversity of views. That is why PB is still going, fifteen years later.
PB might outlast Twitter
Also the cancel culture is a real menace to Twitter. Why risk your entire career for a misplaced remark? People will shrink away0 -
If Trump joins Parler and leaves Twitter it could change everything because I can't see leftists being able to withstand the temptation to engage with him on there.LadyG said:
Yes, I don't think it is going to work. Too obviously RIGHT. And glitchyJonathan said:Parler is rubbish, the right’s backside, up which it is determined to disappear.
There is room for a political social medium, however, to overtake Twitter, as a space that *really protects free speech*. I wonder if it might come from China. What a troll to the entire West that would be. The Chinese did Tik Tok.0 -
Rayner was never a true believer. I said at the time she was far more happy ideologically, to work with Starmer.Jonathan said:The only curious thing about RLB is why the left invested all its hopes and dreams in her. It was such an unforced error. If they had somehow managed to square themselves with Rayner for example they would have won.
I will tell you - with no proof - that Rayner went to Starmer very early on and agreed to not stand against him, because it would damage her relationship with RLB too much. That is why she stood only for Deputy.0 -
Trump doesn't engage, just broadcast, so I don't think that would make any difference. A Trump bot that reposted his stuff on Twitter would be the same as his own account.Andy_JS said:
If Trump joins Parler and leaves Twitter it could change everything because I can't see leftists being able to withstand the temptation to engage with him on there.LadyG said:
Yes, I don't think it is going to work. Too obviously RIGHT. And glitchyJonathan said:Parler is rubbish, the right’s backside, up which it is determined to disappear.
There is room for a political social medium, however, to overtake Twitter, as a space that *really protects free speech*. I wonder if it might come from China. What a troll to the entire West that would be. The Chinese did Tik Tok.0 -
Neither Whasisfaceapp nor Instagram can supplant Facebook because they are far too limed in their scope. That is not to say FB will not be supplanted. But it won't be by anything that is currently available because nothing provides the same level of variable usability.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes, Facebook Inc - although I am quite sure they change their name and Zuck gets kicked out at some stage - is very much like a Google, its value is in advertising.Philip_Thompson said:
Facebook the company will probably do fine. They own Whatsapp and Insta, they are still acquiring other companies and ideas, they are so big it is hard to see them failing for decades
I am talking (and I think CHB is talking) about Facebook the social media platform. It is visibly in decline. And once a social media platform gets the whiff of unpopularity, it can fall spectacularly quickly: Myspace
But Facebook the website, I believe is dying slowly and will be supplanted - and is being - by Instagram and by WhatsApp.
Personally I think Facebook's name is forever damaged after Cambridge Analytica and it's been on the slow crash since then.
A rebrand would likely do them well.
Twitter I find far more interesting, the CEO seems far more likeable than Zuck for a start.0 -
I've not seen anything about 'excess deaths' by country from COVID19 for a while.
I was wondering if there is any reliable information from the USA yet or not? The situation there seems awful regarding cases and hospitalisations but not so much yet reported deaths - and I was wondering if that's because deaths haven't happened yet, or if they're not getting reported as COVID?0 -
Rayner is porridge thick too.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Rayner was never a true believer. I said at the time she was far more happy ideologically, to work with Starmer.Jonathan said:The only curious thing about RLB is why the left invested all its hopes and dreams in her. It was such an unforced error. If they had somehow managed to square themselves with Rayner for example they would have won.
I will tell you - with no proof - that Rayner went to Starmer very early on and agreed to not stand against him, because it would damage her relationship with RLB too much. That is why she stood only for Deputy.
RLB isn't, but she's got a long way to go before she's up to speed.0 -
OK then. How about being against her for retweeting in gushing tones a link to a newspaper interview that included the claim that those who rejoined the Labour Party to support the leadership of Keir Starmer should "hang their heads in shame"? And then still failing to delete the tweet when told to do so by Keir Starmer's office?Northern_Al said:
That's not evidence of antisemitism at all though, is it? It's accusations, but you don't provide the evidence. Being insufficiently vigorous in the fight against racism wouldn't make you a racist, would it?Philip_Thompson said:
No thin ice at all.Northern_Al said:
You're skating on thin ice here. If there were good evidence of anything anti-semitic about RLB, Starmer would have had a perfect excuse not to put her in the Shadow Cabinet in the first place, and would have made this clear. He has sacked her, as I said previously, because of a zero tolerance approach to the SC being perceived to support/re-tweet anything anti-semitic. She was not victimised - any other SC member who didn't heed the warning on anti-semitism would have been given short shrift as well. The only previous evidence against her was one occasion at a hustings when she didn't handle well an audience member droning on about conspiracies.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes I am and if Mike were to ask me to substantiate it or remove it then I would, but you're not Mike and nor it seems are you interested in politics if you weren't aware of RLB's long, long history of antisemitism.MightyAlex said:
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.Philip_Thompson said:
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.MightyAlex said:
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.Philip_Thompson said:
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
Its been a running theory on this site that she was only kept in the Shadow Cabinet in order to be sacked next time she did anything antisemitic knowing it would only be a matter of time! Why would that be the case if this was her first instance of antisemitism?
She was criticised for her antisemitism and her soft nature on antisemitism repeatedly during the leadership campaign. Including by some of her fellow MPs and leadership rivals (though not Starmer who had no need to do so).
If you're claiming to be genuinely shocked that RLB has put her foot in it with antisemitism now then I think you're hopelessly naive.
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The FT analysis (to May 23rd for the US) doesn't show anything too bad, though obviously not covering this latest resurgence in numbers.Philip_Thompson said:I've not seen anything about 'excess deaths' by country from COVID19 for a while.
I was wondering if there is any reliable information from the USA yet or not? The situation there seems awful regarding cases and hospitalisations but not so much yet reported deaths - and I was wondering if that's because deaths haven't happened yet, or if they're not getting reported as COVID?
https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e064410 -
Despite publicly endorsing her friend, it wouldn't shock me at all if Rayner actually voted for Starmer as leader.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Rayner was never a true believer. I said at the time she was far more happy ideologically, to work with Starmer.Jonathan said:The only curious thing about RLB is why the left invested all its hopes and dreams in her. It was such an unforced error. If they had somehow managed to square themselves with Rayner for example they would have won.
I will tell you - with no proof - that Rayner went to Starmer very early on and agreed to not stand against him, because it would damage her relationship with RLB too much. That is why she stood only for Deputy.1 -
Prediction of how the opinion polls might look in about 18 months' time.
Con 35%
Lab 35%
Farage's new party 15%0 -
You think the Tories loose 10% of their voteshare, really?Andy_JS said:Prediction of how the opinion polls might look in about 18 months' time.
Con 35%
Lab 35%
Farage's new party 15%
I see something more like:
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Labour 43%0 -
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Are you sure Facebook OWNS Facebook?LadyG said:
Facebook OWNS Insta and FBRichard_Tyndall said:
Neither Whasisfaceapp nor Instagram can supplant Facebook because they are far too limed in their scope. That is not to say FB will not be supplanted. But it won't be by anything that is currently available because nothing provides the same level of variable usability.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes, Facebook Inc - although I am quite sure they change their name and Zuck gets kicked out at some stage - is very much like a Google, its value is in advertising.Philip_Thompson said:
Facebook the company will probably do fine. They own Whatsapp and Insta, they are still acquiring other companies and ideas, they are so big it is hard to see them failing for decades
I am talking (and I think CHB is talking) about Facebook the social media platform. It is visibly in decline. And once a social media platform gets the whiff of unpopularity, it can fall spectacularly quickly: Myspace
But Facebook the website, I believe is dying slowly and will be supplanted - and is being - by Instagram and by WhatsApp.
Personally I think Facebook's name is forever damaged after Cambridge Analytica and it's been on the slow crash since then.
A rebrand would likely do them well.
Twitter I find far more interesting, the CEO seems far more likeable than Zuck for a start.
That's a pretty bold claim, and you better have the evidence to back it up.0 -
If we'd realised that the Tories would nationalise private medicine, plant a forest of money trees and seize parts of British industry, we might not have bothered to oppose themGallowgate said:JLR being part nationalised under a Tory government? Heh.
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If nationalising the railways results in a better service at cheaper prices I won't be complaining.0
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There is a train wreck coming down the line. I can't see how the incumbent government irrespective of stripe manages that crash. If the Conservatives can avoid armageddon, good for them, and for us, I just don't see how they do it.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
You've essentially just put the Tories back into power on a combined vote with the Uber Tories at 50%. That is rather optimistic.Andy_JS said:Prediction of how the opinion polls might look in about 18 months' time.
Con 35%
Lab 35%
Farage's new party 15%0 -
Aside from whether banning incitement to violence or whatever destroys political debate, I'm not sure politics is even the main use-case for Twitter.LadyG said:
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.
If people stopped posting things like this, then they'll be in trouble:
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I did sign up for Parler hoping for an alternative to Twitter, thanks to its increasing failure to just show me the tweets in the order that people tweeted them instead of clogging up the feed with the same repeated shit that somebody liked over and over again.
But Parler the signup process takes you through a "who to follow" thing which consists 100% exclusively of lunatics. Not just right-wing people, strictly crazy people only. This will in turn dissuade any non-lunatic.0 -
Russel-Moyle will presumably be out of the SC again soon. Another Corbynite (I thought RLB was the last) setup to fail and they've walked straight into it0
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Sack him Keir.0
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Has he been involved in a controversy?CorrectHorseBattery said:Russel-Moyle will presumably be out of the SC again soon. Another Corbynite (I thought RLB was the last) setup to fail and they've walked straight into it
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I was unaware he was in the Shadow Cabinet. Maybe just on the Frontbench.CorrectHorseBattery said:Russel-Moyle will presumably be out of the SC again soon. Another Corbynite (I thought RLB was the last) setup to fail and they've walked straight into it
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https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1276978765818744832Andy_JS said:
Has he been involved in a controversy?CorrectHorseBattery said:Russel-Moyle will presumably be out of the SC again soon. Another Corbynite (I thought RLB was the last) setup to fail and they've walked straight into it
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I may not be the most savvy of posters on her but who the fuck is Russel- Moyle? He sounds like a hyphenated Tory but it seems he ain't. Has working man eventually realised he's been screwed over more by what's pretended to be his own?justin124 said:
I was unaware he was in the Shadow Cabinet. Maybe just on the Frontbench.CorrectHorseBattery said:Russel-Moyle will presumably be out of the SC again soon. Another Corbynite (I thought RLB was the last) setup to fail and they've walked straight into it
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It's late and I should be to my bed. Global chess is a killer.0
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He may be the most left-wing member of the House of Commons. MP for Brighton Kemptown.alterego said:
I may not be the most savvy of posters on her but who the fuck is Russel- Moyle? He sounds like a hyphenated Tory but it seems he ain't. Has working man eventually realised he's been screwed over more by what's pretended to be his own?justin124 said:
I was unaware he was in the Shadow Cabinet. Maybe just on the Frontbench.CorrectHorseBattery said:Russel-Moyle will presumably be out of the SC again soon. Another Corbynite (I thought RLB was the last) setup to fail and they've walked straight into it
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Lloyd Russell-Moyle is a hard-left quasi-Trotskyite Corbynite who said in his election victory speech on general election night that he would fight in the streets and in the courts and et cetera. He waved the mace around in the House of Commons because he didn't like the fact that Brexit was happening. He was one of the gaggle of ultra-Remoaniac MPs who formed a protective phallanx around John Bercow in order to prevent Parliament from being prorogued, as if they were pretending to protect the House of Commons against King Charles the First. Oh, and he's the first still-serving MP to be openly HIV+.alterego said:
I may not be the most savvy of posters on her but who the fuck is Russel- Moyle? He sounds like a hyphenated Tory but it seems he ain't. Has working man eventually realised he's been screwed over more by what's pretended to be his own?justin124 said:
I was unaware he was in the Shadow Cabinet. Maybe just on the Frontbench.CorrectHorseBattery said:Russel-Moyle will presumably be out of the SC again soon. Another Corbynite (I thought RLB was the last) setup to fail and they've walked straight into it
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"GE2007"?0
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Why is the Junior Senator from Illinois not mentioned more often as a potential Vice Presidential nominee?
She's a woman of colour, and a war veteran, and has a decent amount of experience, having been in the House before the Senate.0 -
Junior Senator for Illinois...rcs1000 said:Why is the Junior Senator from Illinois not mentioned more often as a potential Vice Presidential nominee?
She's a woman of colour, and a war veteran, and has a decent amount of experience, having been in the House before the Senate.
One parent American, the other foreign...
Lived in Hawaii...
Who does she sound like again...0 -
What daily swings?!Alistair said:0 -
Is it Ivanka? We must have discussed Tammy Duckworth before, because I have already backed her, and it is vanishingly unlikely I did my own research.rcs1000 said:
Junior Senator for Illinois...rcs1000 said:Why is the Junior Senator from Illinois not mentioned more often as a potential Vice Presidential nominee?
She's a woman of colour, and a war veteran, and has a decent amount of experience, having been in the House before the Senate.
One parent American, the other foreign...
Lived in Hawaii...
Who does she sound like again...0 -
It only works because there is one of you.LadyG said:
Yes, that is definitely a phenomenon. I am far from convinced Parler is a rival - it seems clunky, and an echo chamber in itself.Floater said:
I think there is a strand of thought that twitter is banning dissenting voices so to be heard they need to moveLadyG said:
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.
But Twitter has a fundamental issue to solve. If it wants to be THE forum for debate (and what else can it be?) then it has to be resilient and protect rightwing voices, as they are in the minority, and they are the ones being cancelled - or quitting.
If it cannot bring itself to do this, it will self-destruct.
Perhaps they should employ Mike Smithson, Our Genial Host, as the daily boss of the site. He has done a sterling job of keeping PB reasonably civil, while at the same time preserving an essential diversity of views. That is why PB is still going, fifteen years later.
PB might outlast Twitter
If there were two posters like you (at the same time, not sequentially) posting your crap at each other, then you’d both have to go. As it is, OGH can afford to cut you some slack, although why he puts up with stunts like coming back under a different name minutes after being banned for unacceptable behaviour is mystery? Most sites would regard that as even more unacceptable.
No village can suffer two idiots.0 -
LOL. Convinced by the watertight case @rcs1000 just made, I headed over to Unibet who offer 33/1 about Duckworth. On arrival, their overnight trader took one look at Oddschecker and declined my stake.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is it Ivanka? We must have discussed Tammy Duckworth before, because I have already backed her, and it is vanishingly unlikely I did my own research.rcs1000 said:
Junior Senator for Illinois...rcs1000 said:Why is the Junior Senator from Illinois not mentioned more often as a potential Vice Presidential nominee?
She's a woman of colour, and a war veteran, and has a decent amount of experience, having been in the House before the Senate.
One parent American, the other foreign...
Lived in Hawaii...
Who does she sound like again...0 -
Astonishingly good figures for Sturgeon there, considering that this is a Great Britain-wide poll. She clearly has an awful lot of admirers in England. Rightly so.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
He's very unpleasant.Andy_JS said:
He may be the most left-wing member of the House of Commons. MP for Brighton Kemptown.alterego said:
I may not be the most savvy of posters on her but who the fuck is Russel- Moyle? He sounds like a hyphenated Tory but it seems he ain't. Has working man eventually realised he's been screwed over more by what's pretended to be his own?justin124 said:
I was unaware he was in the Shadow Cabinet. Maybe just on the Frontbench.CorrectHorseBattery said:Russel-Moyle will presumably be out of the SC again soon. Another Corbynite (I thought RLB was the last) setup to fail and they've walked straight into it
I haven't seen a single speech of his in the Commons that hasn't been dripping with vitriol.0 -
It will result in a worse service at about the same price.Andy_JS said:If nationalising the railways results in a better service at cheaper prices I won't be complaining.
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I think Sturgeon is benefiting from the awfulness of Johnson who doesn't appear to have recovered from his Covid encounter yet.StuartDickson said:
Astonishingly good figures for Sturgeon there, considering that this is a Great Britain-wide poll. She clearly has an awful lot of admirers in England. Rightly so.CorrectHorseBattery said:0
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