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What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
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All sounds like a 'relaunch' to me.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
A PM relaunch isn't good at the best of times, but less than a year after a GE win? Jeez...1 -
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
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Presumably he'll be out by teatime Sunday afternoon?glw said:
I know little about Lloyd Russell-Moyle, but everything I've ever read about him has involved him acting like a complete berk.LadyG said:Labour plunges further into the Culture War
https://twitter.com/make_trouble/status/1276985244164526081?s=20
Giving SKS a) another opportunity to visibly sack someone who deserves it, showing BoJo up and b) another opportunity to distance himself from the wilder excesses of his party's previous management.
I can't imagine that this was planned, but if it was, it's a corker.2 -
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What an amazing alibi for future reference:LadyG said:
Sleeping with his naked 18 year old grand niece (and many other young women) at the age of 70+ was also quite *experimental*Richard_Tyndall said:
Doesn't mean he wasn't a racist. Just go look at his views on Blacks in South Africa. Really not pleasant at all. Doesn't mean he didn't do great things later in life but that is no excuse for his attitudes when younger.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Gandhi was SUCH a RACIST!alex_ said:I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?
I mean, fancy leading 400 million NON-WHITE people to Independence in 1947!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/01/gandhi-celibacy-test-naked-women
"But darling I only slept with that naked young lady to prove to myself I wasn't interested. Just ask Ghandi"0 -
Permanent Suspension is such an oxymoron.1
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The left-wingers are just making Starmer's purge so easy for him. Turkeys and Xmas.LadyG said:
Yes. It is an utterly explosive issue, full of minefields for the unwary, and is fiendishly niche and complex, to boot.WhisperingOracle said:
Both sides are engaged. Transgender issues are becoming a fairly unrepresentative totem, like Blue Passports.LadyG said:Labour plunges further into the Culture War
https://twitter.com/make_trouble/status/1276985244164526081?s=20
I cannot see any benefit for a politician stepping into it. I have a couple of acquaintances who are in the TERF-Trans trench war, their accounts are harrowing1 -
Yep - the world is going madLadyG said:
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/866210411359719424?s=20kle4 said:
What's the relevance? I'm critical of the idea, not the woman. I need not wait for an idea to be mainstream to criticise it. And while people not being allowed to write characters who are not of their race is hardly mainstream yet, actors taking on roles which are deemed to be required of a certain race, even animated ones, is more mainstream, when unless the nationality or race is central to the character it should not be a big deal (though underrepresentation of some groups remains an issue).ThomasNashe said:
OK. When Salman Rushdie expresses such views, then I’ll be worried. But frankly, to describe this woman as merely obscure is to vastly overstate her significance.kle4 said:
I didn't, but many people have raised similar points over many years, and whether it becomes the norm or not is irrelevant to it being demented.ThomasNashe said:
Look her up. She appears to have a few self-published novels; it requires an exceptionally strong telescope to discern her place in the literary firmament.kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.
Utterly bonkers to read her tweeted opinions as representing some fundamental shift in the zeitgeist.1 -
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?Foxy said:
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...rottenborough said:
Lock down in Leicester?FrancisUrquhart said:
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.0 -
NOTHING HAS CHANGED !!!rottenborough said:All sounds like a 'relaunch' to me.
A PM relaunch isn't good at the best of times, but less than a year after a GE win? Jeez...0 -
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
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Blimey, they don't like him much, do they!Scott_xP said:0 -
I believe he is now writing as part of a committee, including Welsh bard, Transistioning male model and dowager lesbians. I am sure that there will be a dusky variation on the panel too. I wonder if they ever all meet up?Nigelb said:
Sean is way ahead of his time, I know realise.williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello1 -
Are there any examples of a PM's Relaunch ever working?rottenborough said:
All sounds like a 'relaunch' to me.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
A PM relaunch isn't good at the best of times, but less than a year after a GE win? Jeez...0 -
You're equating modern identity movements, powered from both right and left, and with influences from both marxism. ultra-capitalism and nationalism, with a monolithic 'marxist movement' of 40 years standing again, I'm afraid. Culture, administration and politics has not worked like that, particularly in Anglo- America.LadyG said:
It's a pleasant fantasy to think a rather spineless British Tory government will be able to reverse 40 years of Wokeist progress through academe, media, law, schools, business, charity, arts.whunter said:
People dont see what is going on. They equate wokeism with what until recently was liberalism (freedom, equality etc). It is actually something that benefits a few people (an aggrieved revolutionary elite), and is less good for everyone else because we can now get cancelled at will, have no freedom of speech, our history is getting trashed and rewritten, etc.LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real
This feels a bit like Brexit. People were seduced in to voting for it by visions of restored sovereignty and funding for the NHS, not the chaos it has become.
Fortunately or not, dependent on your perspective, the jokes going to be on the woke (if you excuse the terrible pun). 80 seat majority conservative government, 4 + years left to run. They can set up a process which claims to be about addressing racial and historic grievances; but ends up reversing the 2 decades of woke legislation which has fuelled the current mess. And all in the name of equality and anti racism!
Not going to happen.
I read a tweet the other day which rather summed it up, if I remember correctly it said:
"Culture war is the wrong description. The culture was is over, and the Left won. Now they are just going around shooting the survivors."
The pendulum WILL swing, but my, it is taking a while and by the time it happens much damage will have been done (along with the original good things done, of course: racial equality, gay rights, and so on)0 -
Maybe he enjoys arguing with people on the Internet?LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.0 -
I think Sean is some kind of rudimentary AI0
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Has it been proven that Russia paid the taliban to kill American soldiers? I know proof is a very old-fashioned concept, but the entire conversation seems to be about 'when did Trump know?', without actually establishing the veracity of the story itself.0
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You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
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No, it is a working age population, with milder disease, at least at present. I think we have 62 inpatients with it, but few in ICU. At the peak we had over 200 inpatients and 55 on ICU.ABZ said:
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?Foxy said:
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...rottenborough said:
Lock down in Leicester?FrancisUrquhart said:
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/jun/27/twitter-closes-graham-linehan-account-after-trans-commentglw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
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That doesn't sound...good?FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Best bit is that the Lincoln Project is run by Kellyanne Conway’s husband!Peter_the_Punter said:
Blimey, they don't like him much, do they!Scott_xP said:
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If only we could think of another writer with an online obsession about culture wars and the forthcoming end of society to warn them of their ridiculous behaviour......LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.4 -
Ah OK I get it. This wall to wall revolving bow tie reactionary shtick - "losing our history" and "the death of quality light entertainment" etc etc - it's all a big wind up isn't it.
I've been tangoed!
Grrr ☺1 -
Wouldn't the real Angela Rayner spell her own name correctly?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1276991219613270016
I told you, she's not a Corbynite0 -
The name is the spelling of the recipient's contact for that numberFoxy said:
Wouldn't the real Angela Rayner spell her own name correctly?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1276991219613270016
I told you, she's not a Corbynite0 -
It's that little detail that really sells the authenticity...Foxy said:
Wouldn't the real Angela Rayner spell her own name correctly?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1276991219613270016
I told you, she's not a Corbynite0 -
Theres a model for how to successfully deal with it: Poland, Hungary.LadyG said:
This might be true if this was a purely British phenomenon (even then it would be a hard battle). This is clearly not the case. Poor George Floyd was killed in America.whunter said:
I think they will. They've already quietly dropped the gender recognition stuff. The woke element of the conservative party were largely purged last year in the Brexit wars. They have a free run at it.LadyG said:
It's a pleasant fantasy to think a rather spineless British Tory government will be able to reverse 40 years of Wokeist progress through academe, media, law, schools, business, charity, arts.whunter said:
People dont see what is going on. They equate wokeism with what until recently was liberalism (freedom, equality etc). It is actually something that benefits a few people (an aggrieved revolutionary elite), and is less good for everyone else because we can now get cancelled at will, have no freedom of speech, our history is getting trashed and rewritten, etc.LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real
This feels a bit like Brexit. People were seduced in to voting for it by visions of restored sovereignty and funding for the NHS, not the chaos it has become.
Fortunately or not, dependent on your perspective, the jokes going to be on the woke (if you excuse the terrible pun). 80 seat majority conservative government, 4 + years left to run. They can set up a process which claims to be about addressing racial and historic grievances; but ends up reversing the 2 decades of woke legislation which has fuelled the current mess. And all in the name of equality and anti racism!
Not going to happen.
I read a tweet the other day which rather summed it up, if I remember correctly it said:
"Culture war is the wrong description. The culture was is over, and the Left won. Now they are just going around shooting the survivors."
The pendulum WILL swing, but my, it is taking a while and by the time it happens much damage will have been done (along with the original good things done, of course: racial equality, gay rights, and so on)
Secondly, you are overestimating the impact of all this. It passes most people by. From a tactical perspective you've got to let the woke go to mad extremes (defacing churchill etc) before you have the political ability to tackle them. Thats what is happening now.
It is all about not interrupting the enemy while it is making a mistake.
I think that is the calculation.
Wokeism is a huge, pan-western phenomenon, mainly English-speaking, but you can find it in Scandinavia, France, Holland, elsewhere
It's epochal. Boris and Dom are not going to overturn it in four nervous plaguey Brexity years.
Theres a model for how not to deal with it: Trump.
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Infrastructure up, current spending down? Sounds baout rightrottenborough said:0 -
Restores one's faith in human nature.rottenborough said:You'll want to watch this one to the end. Outstandingly bonkers.
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I'm 99% that the name is taken from the contact on the phone in WhatsApp, so it's the person who made the screengrab that is at fault.Foxy said:
Wouldn't the real Angela Rayner spell her own name correctly?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1276991219613270016
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Thanks. Hopefully, as in North Wales, the additional testing + isolation will work and the number of new cases will decline soon.Foxy said:
No, it is a working age population, with milder disease, at least at present. I think we have 62 inpatients with it, but few in ICU. At the peak we had over 200 inpatients and 55 on ICU.ABZ said:
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?Foxy said:
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...rottenborough said:
Lock down in Leicester?FrancisUrquhart said:
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.
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Your name doesn't go on WhatsApp on somebody else's phone, it is based on your contact list entry.
Does nobody here actually use WhatsApp?0 -
Besides Johnson and Cameron I completely agree with you he is next best.CorrectHorseBattery said:Blair was the best PM this century
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There is zero evidence that the embrace of the diversity and equality agenda in recent years has led to anything like a monoculture. Quite the opposite.isam said:
It's fine, I'm unpicking the folly of your idea. It ends with mono culture.kinabalu said:
Let it go. If you keep scratching it will only get worse.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It's all in your head. Truly, it is.0 -
That's a pretty high bar though.OllyT said:Philip_Thompson said:Starmer is far better than his predecessor but he's no Blair. He isn't even a Kinnock yet.
Kinnock expelled people from Labour to try and make the party more electable. We are waiting to see if Starmer does that. If he does, that will be transformative.
He doesn't really need to be a Blair or a Kinnock he just needs to be better than Johnson.0 -
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It has been a short century so far... 80% of it is yet to come...Philip_Thompson said:
Besides Johnson and Cameron I completely agree with you he is next best.CorrectHorseBattery said:Blair was the best PM this century
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Blair and his sidekick Brown paved the way for 4 successive Tory election wins, and counting. What's not to like?Philip_Thompson said:
Besides Johnson and Cameron I completely agree with you he is next best.CorrectHorseBattery said:Blair was the best PM this century
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https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1276994411721785351
Everything Johnson has ever implemented has been a total disaster, I think this will be no different.0 -
"PM says he will do anything for a photo op and proves it. We say no one makes a PM like this a*sehole"TheWhiteRabbit said:
Infrastructure up, current spending down? Sounds baout rightrottenborough said:
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People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.0 -
Maybe it came from Kia Starmer?glw said:
I'm 99% that the name is taken from the contact on the phone in WhatsApp, so it's the person who made the screengrab that is at fault.Foxy said:
Wouldn't the real Angela Rayner spell her own name correctly?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1276991219613270016
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So how do we know who sent it?CorrectHorseBattery said:Your name doesn't go on WhatsApp on somebody else's phone, it is based on your contact list entry.
Does nobody here actually use WhatsApp?
I think it correct that the recipient labels it, so Angela Raynor could be Byronic for all we know!0 -
Just, whatever you do, don't call them "spooks".....Richard_Tyndall said:
I write ghost stories. Maybe I ought to try being dead before insulting the "alternatively corporeal".another_richard said:
How about people writing about historical or futuristic characters ?rcs1000 said:
https://twitter.com/marketwarbles/status/1276970716559110144kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.0 -
This is correct.glw said:
I'm 99% that the name is taken from the contact on the phone in WhatsApp, so it's the person who made the screengrab that is at fault.Foxy said:
Wouldn't the real Angela Rayner spell her own name correctly?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1276991219613270016
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Technically it does if you don't have their number in your contacts.CorrectHorseBattery said:Your name doesn't go on WhatsApp on somebody else's phone, it is based on your contact list entry.
Does nobody here actually use WhatsApp?0 -
https://twitter.com/Petercampbell1/status/1276931473434607617
Just let them fail right PB Tories? The free market will prevail?1 -
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄-1 -
There is no free market while we're under lockdown.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Petercampbell1/status/1276931473434607617
Just let them fail right PB Tories? The free market will prevail?0 -
It just shows the number, if they're not in your contacts.Gallowgate said:
Technically it does if you don't have their number in your contacts.CorrectHorseBattery said:Your name doesn't go on WhatsApp on somebody else's phone, it is based on your contact list entry.
Does nobody here actually use WhatsApp?0 -
There is such a case. But it's Gordon for me. His post crash leadership - monumental.CorrectHorseBattery said:Blair was the best PM this century
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JLR being part nationalised under a Tory government? Heh.0
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Perhaps. Mr CHB and others should note that potentially actionable posts could rebound on PB's proprietor.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.0 -
You're right. It's just on the notification it shows their selected name. My bad.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It just shows the number, if they're not in your contacts.Gallowgate said:
Technically it does if you don't have their number in your contacts.CorrectHorseBattery said:Your name doesn't go on WhatsApp on somebody else's phone, it is based on your contact list entry.
Does nobody here actually use WhatsApp?0 -
The free market is not operating under government lockdown rules. If you think the government is wrong to consider helping these companies then say so.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Petercampbell1/status/1276931473434607617
Just let them fail right PB Tories? The free market will prevail?1 -
I wasn't trying to have a go but thanks for acknowledging my answer, friend.Gallowgate said:
You're right. It's just on the notification it shows their selected name. My bad.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It just shows the number, if they're not in your contacts.Gallowgate said:
Technically it does if you don't have their number in your contacts.CorrectHorseBattery said:Your name doesn't go on WhatsApp on somebody else's phone, it is based on your contact list entry.
Does nobody here actually use WhatsApp?0 -
Do you need someone to explain the difference between an equity stake and nationalisation?Gallowgate said:JLR being part nationalised under a Tory government? Heh.
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People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.0 -
Even Jezza didn't want to nationalise JLR!CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Petercampbell1/status/1276931473434607617
Just let them fail right PB Tories? The free market will prevail?0 -
Someone's triggered.humbugger said:
Do you need someone to explain the difference between an equity stake and nationalisation?Gallowgate said:JLR being part nationalised under a Tory government? Heh.
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The general election strategy that knocked Labour flat on its arse was pretty decently implemented by Boris...CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1276994411721785351
Everything Johnson has ever implemented has been a total disaster, I think this will be no different.
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The Mayor of Leicester only heard about a lockdown when Peston blogged on it. Seems that the characteristic communications incompetence of the government.ABZ said:
Thanks. Hopefully, as in North Wales, the additional testing + isolation will work and the number of new cases will decline soon.Foxy said:
No, it is a working age population, with milder disease, at least at present. I think we have 62 inpatients with it, but few in ICU. At the peak we had over 200 inpatients and 55 on ICU.ABZ said:
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?Foxy said:
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...rottenborough said:
Lock down in Leicester?FrancisUrquhart said:
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/what-city-council-says-reports-42708000 -
I believe the correct PB response is "Dirty, rotten, sleazy Tories on the slide..."??CorrectHorseBattery said: 0 -
Experiment to see if a Parler post shows up on here. This one is from Douglas Carswell. (Looks like the answer is no).
https://parler.com/post-view?q=c01fde0e633944aca3a2d967456f8f6c0 -
Are you suggesting non-whites can't be racist?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Gandhi was SUCH a RACIST!alex_ said:I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?
I mean, fancy leading 400 million NON-WHITE people to Independence in 1947!
Aung San Suu Kyi has gone from a resistance hero to a racist for what her nation is doing to the Rohingya. I used to respect her but would be prepared to call her a racist now and think she should lose her Peace Prize . . . though she is far from unique in Nobel Peace Prize winners going on to have issues.0 -
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.Philip_Thompson said:
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄0 -
How would that work? It requires implementation, it doesn't just work out of thin airAndy_JS said:Experiment to see if a Parler post shows up on here. This one is from Douglas Carswell. (Looks like the answer is no).
https://parler.com/post-view?q=c01fde0e633944aca3a2d967456f8f6c0 -
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.MightyAlex said:
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.Philip_Thompson said:
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.0 -
Clicking the link it asks for Login or Sign Up so guessing it isn't public like Twitter.Andy_JS said:Experiment to see if a Parler post shows up on here. This one is from Douglas Carswell. (Looks like the answer is no).
https://parler.com/post-view?q=c01fde0e633944aca3a2d967456f8f6c0 -
LOL at whichever sad lefty who has chosen to flag my comment of RLB's history of antisemitism as "Off Topic".
FFS read the Topic of the thread header if you think that is Off Topic. 😂-2 -
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.Philip_Thompson said:
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.MightyAlex said:
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.Philip_Thompson said:
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.1 -
Out of pure curiousity, I looked at their "Mission Statement" and it sounds like if people thought Twitter could be vile....Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
I do not use Twitter much. I doubt I will use Parler at all.0 -
Parler has a few million users, Twitter has 321 million a month.
I don't think Twitter is worried about some nutters being banned from their platform. Of course it is interesting to see the same people who were insistent that Facebook wasn't in trouble when I said it was, say the same about Twitter with little evidence for it. Partisanship is responsible for that, I think.0 -
GoodPhilip_Thompson said:
Clicking the link it asks for Login or Sign Up so guessing it isn't public like Twitter.Andy_JS said:Experiment to see if a Parler post shows up on here. This one is from Douglas Carswell. (Looks like the answer is no).
https://parler.com/post-view?q=c01fde0e633944aca3a2d967456f8f6c0 -
Yes I am and if Mike were to ask me to substantiate it or remove it then I would, but you're not Mike and nor it seems are you interested in politics if you weren't aware of RLB's long, long history of antisemitism.MightyAlex said:
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.Philip_Thompson said:
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.MightyAlex said:
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.Philip_Thompson said:
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
Its been a running theory on this site that she was only kept in the Shadow Cabinet in order to be sacked next time she did anything antisemitic knowing it would only be a matter of time! Why would that be the case if this was her first instance of antisemitism?0 -
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It's off topic because you are on topic.Philip_Thompson said:LOL at whichever sad lefty who has chosen to flag my comment of RLB's history of antisemitism as "Off Topic".
FFS read the Topic of the thread header if you think that is Off Topic. 😂1 -
I'll take 10 citations. Prove it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes I am and if Mike were to ask me to substantiate it or remove it then I would, but you're not Mike and nor it seems are you interested in politics if you weren't aware of RLB's long, long history of antisemitism.MightyAlex said:
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.Philip_Thompson said:
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.MightyAlex said:
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.Philip_Thompson said:
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.kinabalu said:
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.humbugger said:
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?CorrectHorseBattery said:
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec insteadhumbugger said:
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
Its been a running theory on this site that she was only kept in the Shadow Cabinet in order to be sacked next time she did anything antisemitic knowing it would only be a matter of time! Why would that be the case if this was her first instance of antisemitism?0 -
And where does the avatar photo come from?glw said:
I'm 99% that the name is taken from the contact on the phone in WhatsApp, so it's the person who made the screengrab that is at fault.Foxy said:
Wouldn't the real Angela Rayner spell her own name correctly?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1276991219613270016
I told you, she's not a Corbynite
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Ben Kingsley is dual heritage so seems fair enough to play both a Gujerati and a Brit.isam said:0 -
You can set your profile picture and that is transmitted with your messages, even if they don't have you in their contacts.Benpointer said:
And where does the avatar photo come from?glw said:
I'm 99% that the name is taken from the contact on the phone in WhatsApp, so it's the person who made the screengrab that is at fault.Foxy said:
Wouldn't the real Angela Rayner spell her own name correctly?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1276991219613270016
I told you, she's not a Corbynite
It's an odd decision they took - but I assume there's a reason behind it technically.0 -
It does seem as if some actors seem not to understand what acting actually is.kle4 said:
It certainly did not start there, people have raised that kind of issue for a long time, but the actual problems of representation in the media are not addressed by an approach which makes adhering to a character bio more important than anything else (though if that was part of the Lion King reasoning it makes even less sense).dodrade said:
In that case JK Rowling better watch out in case she's...oh wait...rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
The Simpsons thing is particularly stupid and regressive. The whole point of voice acting is that the performer doesn't have to look anything like their character, hence the sixtysomething Nancy Cartwright can play a 10 year old boy and James Earl Jones can be Darth Vader. Taken to its logical end actors will be forbidden to use anything other than their own accent, which would be particularly bad news for Black British actors in Hollywood.
In retrospect it started last year with the predominantly black cast of "The Lion King" remake on the grounds of it being set in Africa despite the fact Lions aren't people and the human concepts of skin colour/ethnicity simply aren't applicable.
People who should know better do it all the time - Samuel L Jackson initially criticised the casting of a black british actor for Get Out rather than a black american who would have a different, more relevant experience of the issues of the movie. A truly great actor apparently had difficulty with the concept of someone acting.
WIth the recent moves if voice actors don't want to continue the roles anymore, fine, that's their choice, but I found the family guy example strange since he referred to having done the role as an honour. If they think it is wrong for a white guy to do it and so won't anymore, then I don't see how it was an honour, but rather a mistake they regret.
The only way we can even hope to address racism and prejudice is through empathy and imagination - the ability to understand and empathise with people who are not obviously like us, to treat others as we would want to be treated.
All this putting people in boxes and saying that they cannot possibly imagine or act like someone in a different box is designed to prevent us developing and using the imaginative empathy we need.
Remember the poignant slogan of those fighting against slavery: a coin with a black man and the saying “Am I not a man and brother?” Brother, note.
Or see Andrea Levy’s Small Island and the wonderfully insightful, sympathetic and rounded way she describes all the characters, white and black, old and young etc.
Or Alan Bennett who at the age of 41 wrote with such tenderness and insight about people in retirement in “Sunset across the Bay”.
We do need to fight back against this idiotic and self-defeating hysteria that says that you can only write about or act or speak on behalf of people exactly like you.6 -
I think off topics are almost always fat finger syndrome from someone replying or liking.Philip_Thompson said:LOL at whichever sad lefty who has chosen to flag my comment of RLB's history of antisemitism as "Off Topic".
FFS read the Topic of the thread header if you think that is Off Topic. 😂5 -
What lockdown ? The 'evidence' is actually a denial:Foxy said:
The Mayor of Leicester only heard about a lockdown when Peston blogged on it. Seems that the characteristic communications incompetence of the government.ABZ said:
Thanks. Hopefully, as in North Wales, the additional testing + isolation will work and the number of new cases will decline soon.Foxy said:
No, it is a working age population, with milder disease, at least at present. I think we have 62 inpatients with it, but few in ICU. At the peak we had over 200 inpatients and 55 on ICU.ABZ said:
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?Foxy said:
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...rottenborough said:
Lock down in Leicester?FrancisUrquhart said:
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/what-city-council-says-reports-4270800
In a blog, Peston quoted an unnamed senior Government official as saying: “It would need to be driven by the data and we’re not at that stage right now. We are very actively managing [this] and analysing it at the moment. Time will tell."
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I think there is a strand of thought that twitter is banning dissenting voices so to be heard they need to moveLadyG said:
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.0 -
On this I pretty much agree with you.LadyG said:
I think both are in trouble. It is the nature of the beast. Social media evolves fast. Myspace? Bebo? Snapchat?CorrectHorseBattery said:Parler has a few million users, Twitter has 321 million a month.
I don't think Twitter is worried about some nutters being banned from their platform. Of course it is interesting to see the same people who were insistent that Facebook wasn't in trouble when I said it was, say the same about Twitter with little evidence for it. Partisanship is responsible for that, I think.
Facebook has gone from youthful amazebomb to granny-posts-a-photo. Twitter is now evolving from sassy news and political arguments to Lefties ranting at... no one, in the end.
Neither arc is positive.
But other media will take over. Who knows what.
Facebook will die first I think - but I believe in 10 years we will be using something else.
Snapchat will be the first to shut down, as it's been totally eclipsed by Instagram (which I realise is owned by Facebook).0 -
Project Birch? Does that mean they get a damn good thrashing?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Petercampbell1/status/1276931473434607617
Just let them fail right PB Tories? The free market will prevail?1 -
It's a private company, they have ToS, you break them they kick you off.Floater said:
I think there is a strand of thought that twitter is banning dissenting voices so to be heard they need to moveLadyG said:
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.Andy_JS said:
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.LadyG said:
This is a sad case.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/1276796929293377536?s=19glw said:
What did he say?FrancisUrquhart said:I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.
Funny how right-wingers champion freedom of enterprise until they do something they don't like, isn't it?0
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