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https://twitter.com/marketwarbles/status/1276970716559110144kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.0 -
Sadly you are a walking advert for the upside of all of this.LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real0 -
In that case JK Rowling better watch out in case she's...oh wait...rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
The Simpsons thing is particularly stupid and regressive. The whole point of voice acting is that the performer doesn't have to look anything like their character, hence the sixtysomething Nancy Cartwright can play a 10 year old boy and James Earl Jones can be Darth Vader. Taken to its logical end actors will be forbidden to use anything other than their own accent, which would be particularly bad news for Black British actors in Hollywood.
In retrospect it started last year with the predominantly black cast of "The Lion King" remake on the grounds of it being set in Africa despite the fact Lions aren't people and the human concepts of skin colour/ethnicity simply aren't applicable.1 -
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Get yourself to the front of the queue, my son, your need being clearly the greatest.LadyG said:
As a humble painter of delicate portraits of salamanders, newts and axolotls, I hope to be the last to be WokedIanB2 said:
Sadly you are a walking advert for the upside of all of this.LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real0 -
People should no longer be allowed to imagine another perspective, however imperfectly, nor should actors, you know, act as though they are a character who is not like themselves.rcs1000 said:
https://twitter.com/marketwarbles/status/1276970716559110144kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.
In all seriousness, it's one of those approaches that makes me genuinely angry. I find it hard to understand how someone might get to a position from a desire to confront racial issues (or other discriminatory issues) without seeing the flaws, see how disproportionate a reaction it is.2 -
How about people writing about historical or futuristic characters ?rcs1000 said:
https://twitter.com/marketwarbles/status/1276970716559110144kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.0 -
Half right. Last week it was the toppling of statues, yes. This week it was smashing up police cars and waving swords in policemans facesBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up in.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
https://twitter.com/xaliyahpriv/status/1275994004430245890?s=21
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I know! Telling people what they want to hear, govt by opinion polls, incompetence, petty corruption, looking after themselves and a lack of honour. HTH.Scott_xP said:0 -
And next week the crisis will be white people must not buy brown cars and the writers thing will be forgotten and my mother will still be buying romantic fiction no matter who writes which character...LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real
Besides, it is always interesting to watch a bloke trying to write as a woman or a woman's viewpoint. Do you have any suggestions for such authors?2 -
Look her up. She appears to have a few self-published novels; it requires an exceptionally strong telescope to discern her place in the literary firmament.kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.
Utterly bonkers to read her tweeted opinions as representing some fundamental shift in the zeitgeist.1 -
It certainly did not start there, people have raised that kind of issue for a long time, but the actual problems of representation in the media are not addressed by an approach which makes adhering to a character bio more important than anything else (though if that was part of the Lion King reasoning it makes even less sense).dodrade said:
In that case JK Rowling better watch out in case she's...oh wait...rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
The Simpsons thing is particularly stupid and regressive. The whole point of voice acting is that the performer doesn't have to look anything like their character, hence the sixtysomething Nancy Cartwright can play a 10 year old boy and James Earl Jones can be Darth Vader. Taken to its logical end actors will be forbidden to use anything other than their own accent, which would be particularly bad news for Black British actors in Hollywood.
In retrospect it started last year with the predominantly black cast of "The Lion King" remake on the grounds of it being set in Africa despite the fact Lions aren't people and the human concepts of skin colour/ethnicity simply aren't applicable.
People who should know better do it all the time - Samuel L Jackson initially criticised the casting of a black british actor for Get Out rather than a black american who would have a different, more relevant experience of the issues of the movie. A truly great actor apparently had difficulty with the concept of someone acting.
WIth the recent moves if voice actors don't want to continue the roles anymore, fine, that's their choice, but I found the family guy example strange since he referred to having done the role as an honour. If they think it is wrong for a white guy to do it and so won't anymore, then I don't see how it was an honour, but rather a mistake they regret.0 -
People knew Boris was mecurial. There's a reason MPs did not initially back him. Certainly anyone expecting die hard rigid conservatism would have been fooling themselves.Scott_xP said:0 -
another_richard said:
How about people writing about historical or futuristic characters ?rcs1000 said:
https://twitter.com/marketwarbles/status/1276970716559110144kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.
Tolstoy will be banned next.
The people expounding this view about authors have no understanding of art (in its widest sense).
It is but a step to the State deciding who is allowed to write what.
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I didn't, but many people have raised similar points over many years, and whether it becomes the norm or not is irrelevant to it being demented.ThomasNashe said:
Look her up. She appears to have a few self-published novels; it requires an exceptionally strong telescope to discern her place in the literary firmament.kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.
Utterly bonkers to read her tweeted opinions as representing some fundamental shift in the zeitgeist.0 -
Animal rights! Only newts should be allowed to portray their kind.LadyG said:
As a humble painter of delicate portraits of salamanders, newts and axolotls, I hope to be the last to be WokedIanB2 said:
Sadly you are a walking advert for the upside of all of this.LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real0 -
I'd be interested what people are basing that on. People flocking to beaches cannot be that, since that would happen whenever lockdown ends, not as a result of it being early or not.Scott_xP said:0 -
OK. When Salman Rushdie expresses such views, then I’ll be worried. But frankly, to describe this woman as merely obscure is to vastly overstate her significance.kle4 said:
I didn't, but many people have raised similar points over many years, and whether it becomes the norm or not is irrelevant to it being demented.ThomasNashe said:
Look her up. She appears to have a few self-published novels; it requires an exceptionally strong telescope to discern her place in the literary firmament.kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.
Utterly bonkers to read her tweeted opinions as representing some fundamental shift in the zeitgeist.0 -
Increasingly animals will only be CGI in any case.rottenborough said:
Animal rights! Only newts should be allowed to portray their kind.LadyG said:
As a humble painter of delicate portraits of salamanders, newts and axolotls, I hope to be the last to be WokedIanB2 said:
Sadly you are a walking advert for the upside of all of this.LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real0 -
I don't think it was planned by Starmer either those that think this was some master plan and he promoted her to the shadow cabnet in the hope of sacking her are giving him far too much creditWulfrun_Phil said:No, I don't think it was planned by Starmer. His position in the party is not yet secure enough for that. I think that Starmer was simply pushed into a corner by Long-Bailey when she refused to withdraw the tweet and Starmer then took the only course that would have ensured that his authority remained intact. He may well have wanted to be shot of her some time further down the road, but now was not the time.
Starmer has a precarious majority on the NEC but to consolidate that he will need to win a key vote on the use of STV to elect constituency representatives that is coming up next month. If he loses that vote, there is still the possibility that the far left could pick up all 9 NEC CLP representatives ratherthan the 7 they have now, in which case Starmer will lose his majority. If he wins, his majority on the NEC will be secure. So if there was any planning in the fact that this came to a head now, it is probably came from Long-Bailey and McDonnell, who judged that the time to try and provoke a reaction was now, ahead of that key NEC meeting.
On the other hand, I think the cock-up theory is more plausible. Long-Bailey habitually felt the instinctive need to continue to snipe at the new leadership, misjudged the likely reaction to retweeting and endorsing such a divisive article and the controversy that would ensue, and then decided that it was better to become a martyr of the far left than to back down herself.2 -
What's the relevance? I'm critical of the idea, not the woman. I need not wait for an idea to be mainstream to criticise it. And while people not being allowed to write characters who are not of their race is hardly mainstream yet, actors taking on roles which are deemed to be required of a certain race, even animated ones, is more mainstream, when unless the nationality or race is central to the character it should not be a big deal (though underrepresentation of some groups remains an issue).ThomasNashe said:
OK. When Salman Rushdie expresses such views, then I’ll be worried. But frankly, to describe this woman as merely obscure is to vastly overstate her significance.kle4 said:
I didn't, but many people have raised similar points over many years, and whether it becomes the norm or not is irrelevant to it being demented.ThomasNashe said:
Look her up. She appears to have a few self-published novels; it requires an exceptionally strong telescope to discern her place in the literary firmament.kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.
Utterly bonkers to read her tweeted opinions as representing some fundamental shift in the zeitgeist.0 -
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Identity crisis is a telling phrase possibly unknown to the author, given the tories' transatlantic descent into rightwing identity politics.Scott_xP said:0 -
Con are polling higher in seats they lost? Something doesn’t sound reported quite right here...CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1276969145423278081
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I think “won” means “gained”, not won.alex_ said:
Con are polling higher in seats they lost? Something doesn’t sound reported quite right here...CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1276969145423278081
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No he means seats the Tories won from Labour in 2019, i.e. former Labour seats, those that Labour needs to win back.alex_ said:
Con are polling higher in seats they lost? Something doesn’t sound reported quite right here...CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1276969145423278081
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It will mean seats they won last time that they did not win the time before.alex_ said:
Con are polling higher in seats they lost? Something doesn’t sound reported quite right here...CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1276969145423278081
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And how big is that sample and was it properly weighted ?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1276969145423278081
Yup, Starmer is bossing it0 -
He is indeed - but on this he had a point. It was the decision of Acting Labour Leader - Harriet Harman - to abstain on Osborne's Welfare policy changes announced post-2015 election which effectively gifted Corbyn the momentum he gathered in that year's Leadership Election campaign. The other three contenders - Burnham, Cooper and Kendall - were bound by Shadow Cabinet collective responsibility and felt obliged to go along with Harman's decision. Corbyn as a backbencher was free to oppose it and benefitted massively from the resulting uproar within party ranks. It proplled him to the leadership - and in my mind the blame for that has to be firmly pinned on Harman rather than Margaret Beckett et all who simply nominated him.Mexicanpete said:
Say it like it is, Bastani is a knob!CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1276959826002825216
He is so very tiring.0 -
It seems they want a kind of cultural apartheid.0
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If the election takes place on 2nd May 2024 - as presently stipulated by the FTPA - Dissolution would occur 3 years and 9 months from now at the end of March 2024.Black_Rook said:
Up to a point. The election is four years away, Johnson won't necessarily be Prime Minister at that point, and Starmer is a blank canvas right now, onto which potential supporters can project an image of their choosing. All he's had to do is look serious and not blunder across the political landscape like Corbyn, setting off elephant traps and landmines every twenty yards.CorrectHorseBattery said:
This is extremely positive for Labour.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Once the man is obliged to draft and sell a manifesto, which might actually upset some people outside of the hard left of his own party, then we'll see whether the approval numbers hold up.0 -
Jane Austen never once has a scene in which men are interacting or speaking with each other in the absence of ladies, it being a form of activity and discourse of which she knew nothing. Dickens does it, mutatis mutandis, but it doesn't work. Shakespeare of course can do it, but he can do everything. And Trollope can do women just with women too.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
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CorrectHorseBattery said:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1276969145423278081
Yup, Starmer is bossing it
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Think of it as a job creation scheme. Instead of one guy digging a hole then another guy filling it in instead they can have one person to write each role in the book....want a character thats half eskimo half bantu disabled taxi driver then better get advertising for one to write the rolegeoffw said:It seems they want a kind of cultural apartheid.
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One interesting aside about Youtube is that it cut out the middleman - the publisher. People could self publish on YT without a film company or distributor.
Now, most stuff on YT is dreck, but some of it is very, very good and in some areas YT is watched more than mainstream Broadcasters.
Extrapolating from there...
If Book Publishers continue to restrict writers' freedom, how long will it be until authors just start self publishing on Amazon and relying on social media to do their marketing?
Maybe what will go extinct is not the novel, but the publisher?0 -
I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?0
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It seems to be an unweighted sample of ... 118.another_richard said:
And how big is that sample and was it properly weighted ?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1276969145423278081
Yup, Starmer is bossing it
There was a time when Mike got upset when people used subsamples.
Want to see another ridiculous subsample ?
Labour has only a 4% lead among city constituencies.3 -
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EMACorrectHorseBattery said:Polls essentially show no movement in the last week
Tory lead 6.3% (-0.2%)
Tory maj 24 (-5)
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People do do that now. Amazon's cut is outrageous.Beibheirli_C said:One interesting aside about Youtube is that it cut out the middleman - the publisher. People could self publish on YT without a film company or distributor.
Now, most stuff on YT is dreck, but some of it is very, very good and in some areas YT is watched more than mainstream Broadcasters.
Extrapolating from there...
If Book Publishers continue to restrict writers' freedom, how long will it be until authors just start self publishing on Amazon and relying on social media to do their marketing?
Maybe what will go extinct is not the novel, but the publisher?1 -
Princeton Will Remove Woodrow Wilson’s Name From School
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It must mean 'Tory seats gained from Labour'.alex_ said:
Con are polling higher in seats they lost? Something doesn’t sound reported quite right here...CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1276969145423278081
Yup, Starmer is bossing it0 -
Ha it looks like that Michael Scott memeScott_xP said:0 -
PG Wodehouse discusses newts, but that just proves he's a fascist.rottenborough said:
Animal rights! Only newts should be allowed to portray their kind.LadyG said:
As a humble painter of delicate portraits of salamanders, newts and axolotls, I hope to be the last to be WokedIanB2 said:
Sadly you are a walking advert for the upside of all of this.LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real
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.. and "196 people are talking about this".another_richard said:
It seems to be an unweighted sample of ... 118.another_richard said:
And how big is that sample and was it properly weighted ?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1276969145423278081
Yup, Starmer is bossing it
There was a time when Mike got upset when people used subsamples.
Want to see another ridiculous subsample ?
Labour has only a 4% lead among city constituencies.
I'm surprised Opinium bothered.
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High ranking universities are eating themselves all over the western world.rottenborough said:Princeton Will Remove Woodrow Wilson’s Name From School
NYTimes
I've attended both Newcastle University (Russell Group) and Northumbria University (ex poly) and the poly was by far the most focused on actual learning and teaching. The difference is stark.0 -
What did Wilson do?rottenborough said:Princeton Will Remove Woodrow Wilson’s Name From School
NYTimes
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If your publisher wont publish you because you were the wrong colour when you wrote the book amazon's cut is moot....better a 70% of something than 100% of nothingAlistair said:
People do do that now. Amazon's cut is outrageous.Beibheirli_C said:One interesting aside about Youtube is that it cut out the middleman - the publisher. People could self publish on YT without a film company or distributor.
Now, most stuff on YT is dreck, but some of it is very, very good and in some areas YT is watched more than mainstream Broadcasters.
Extrapolating from there...
If Book Publishers continue to restrict writers' freedom, how long will it be until authors just start self publishing on Amazon and relying on social media to do their marketing?
Maybe what will go extinct is not the novel, but the publisher?0 -
Rabid racist apparently.RobD said:
What did Wilson do?rottenborough said:Princeton Will Remove Woodrow Wilson’s Name From School
NYTimes0 -
Really? I cannot say I am surprised. I am not an author, but I am curious enough to ask what their cut is...Alistair said:
People do do that now. Amazon's cut is outrageous.Beibheirli_C said:One interesting aside about Youtube is that it cut out the middleman - the publisher. People could self publish on YT without a film company or distributor.
Now, most stuff on YT is dreck, but some of it is very, very good and in some areas YT is watched more than mainstream Broadcasters.
Extrapolating from there...
If Book Publishers continue to restrict writers' freedom, how long will it be until authors just start self publishing on Amazon and relying on social media to do their marketing?
Maybe what will go extinct is not the novel, but the publisher?0 -
The polys should never have been turned into universities.Gallowgate said:
High ranking universities are eating themselves all over the western world.rottenborough said:Princeton Will Remove Woodrow Wilson’s Name From School
NYTimes
I've attended both Newcastle University (Russell Group) and Northumbria University (ex poly) and the poly was by far the most focused on actual learning and teaching. The difference is stark.
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You have to get to the root of the pernicious western canon. How can Homer possibly be allowed to portray Trojans? It starts all wrong and gets worse. Before you know where you are Chinua Achebe is writing about white people. To the barricades quick.Alistair said:
Are you commenting on Ben Kingsley playing the leading role. Son of Rahimtulla Harji Bhanji?alex_ said:I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?
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Ho ho. What a card.williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello0 -
People dont see what is going on. They equate wokeism with what until recently was liberalism (freedom, equality etc). It is actually something that benefits a few people (an aggrieved revolutionary elite), and is less good for everyone else because we can now get cancelled at will, have no freedom of speech, our history is getting trashed and rewritten, etc.LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real
This feels a bit like Brexit. People were seduced in to voting for it by visions of restored sovereignty and funding for the NHS, not the chaos it has become.
Fortunately or not, dependent on your perspective, the jokes going to be on the woke (if you excuse the terrible pun). 80 seat majority conservative government, 4 + years left to run. They can set up a process which claims to be about addressing racial and historic grievances; but ends up reversing the 2 decades of woke legislation which has fuelled the current mess. And all in the name of equality and anti racism!
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Mount Rushmore's days are numbered.rottenborough said:
Rabid racist apparently.RobD said:
What did Wilson do?rottenborough said:Princeton Will Remove Woodrow Wilson’s Name From School
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Sydney's Comet....Pagan2 said:
Think of it as a job creation scheme. Instead of one guy digging a hole then another guy filling it in instead they can have one person to write each role in the book....want a character thats half eskimo half bantu disabled taxi driver then better get advertising for one to write the rolegeoffw said:It seems they want a kind of cultural apartheid.
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Why? It's only a name at the end of the day. It's simply an institution for higher education.rottenborough said:
The polys should never have been turned into universities.Gallowgate said:
High ranking universities are eating themselves all over the western world.rottenborough said:Princeton Will Remove Woodrow Wilson’s Name From School
NYTimes
I've attended both Newcastle University (Russell Group) and Northumbria University (ex poly) and the poly was by far the most focused on actual learning and teaching. The difference is stark.
(Ducks for cover)0 -
Any chance of an end to this stream of utter drivel?LadyG said:
Indeed. And the concept of the individual reader is itself classist, ableist, and discriminatory.williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
What about people who can't afford books, and can't get to a library? And what of the people who don't have a quiet room in which to read? And, of course, what about illiterate people, why should they be excluded?
In future, reading will be done in enormous government reading halls, into which we will quietly file, and sit, in our masks, 2 metres apart. Then a Person of Many Colours will read out the approved text, authored by the Official Writing Committee, and at the end we will mutely signal our appreciation by doing jazz hands, because clapping is not fair on the deaf.
Then we will file out again. One by one.
It's like being trapped in a lift with Jimmy Tarbuck.3 -
Quite. It's tedious.Northern_Al said:
I agree, so why on earth do you keep putting his tweets on here?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1276959826002825216
He is so very tiring.0 -
There's Spoons in Carlisle called the Woodrow Wilson.RobD said:
What did Wilson do?rottenborough said:Princeton Will Remove Woodrow Wilson’s Name From School
NYTimes0 -
Gandhi was SUCH a RACIST!alex_ said:I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?
I mean, fancy leading 400 million NON-WHITE people to Independence in 1947!0 -
I write ghost stories. Maybe I ought to try being dead before insulting the "alternatively corporeal".another_richard said:
How about people writing about historical or futuristic characters ?rcs1000 said:
https://twitter.com/marketwarbles/status/1276970716559110144kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.4 -
To be fair, The Iliad has a discernible bias in favour of the Greeks. Whereas Virgil gives them a very bad press.algarkirk said:
You have to get to the root of the pernicious western canon. How can Homer possibly be allowed to portray Trojans? It starts all wrong and gets worse. Before you know where you are Chinua Achebe is writing about white people. To the barricades quick.Alistair said:
Are you commenting on Ben Kingsley playing the leading role. Son of Rahimtulla Harji Bhanji?alex_ said:I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?
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This is but one poll , but for what it is worth I am sure Labour will be pretty content with it. The fieldwork is just a little later than this week's other polls and may have picked up some initial reaction to the RLB sacking.More significant is that Labour appears to be hanging on to the gains it made five weeks ago in the wake of the Cummings incident.I rather disagree with Mike about Labour 'breaking through'. A poll rating of 39% is pretty good compared to the 30% and lower being recorded by the party prior to Starmer's election. It is well above the 33% obtained by Corbyn last December - and indeed the 36% won by Blair in 2005.For the moment, the Labour is outperforming where the Tories were in the Parliaments of 2001 and 1997 - and its own ratings at the same stage of the Parliaments of 1987 and 1983. It is also stronger than Heath and Gaitskell were enjoying at the same point in the 1966 and 1959 Parliaments.0
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For now.algarkirk said:
There's Spoons in Carlisle called the Woodrow Wilson.RobD said:
What did Wilson do?rottenborough said:Princeton Will Remove Woodrow Wilson’s Name From School
NYTimes0 -
It was a joke.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Gandhi was SUCH a RACIST!alex_ said:I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?
I mean, fancy leading 400 million NON-WHITE people to Independence in 1947!0 -
Very different personality but barely a cigarette paper between them politically. Tony a touch more in favour of free markets, EU integration and western imperialism.CatMan said:
Was Brown really that different to Blair? He went on record saying he would have done everything Blair did regarding Iraq.MaxPB said:This is definitely revenge of the Blairites after 13 years of drift since Brown took over.
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Have they got the press-ups on video?FrancisUrquhart said:
Johnson was always set to bankrupt the country.0 -
Doesn't mean he wasn't a racist. Just go look at his views on Blacks in South Africa. Really not pleasant at all. Doesn't mean he didn't do great things later in life but that is no excuse for his attitudes when younger.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Gandhi was SUCH a RACIST!alex_ said:I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?
I mean, fancy leading 400 million NON-WHITE people to Independence in 1947!
Edit: Of course there is a perfectly valid excuse which is his views were the same as the predominant views of the time. They were wrong in our eyes but one of the big issues with the whole woke movement for historical reappraisal is it does judge the views of other times against our own.0 -
ProjectLincoln have really got Trump's number...
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/12769839319429652500 -
Lock down in Leicester?FrancisUrquhart said:
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.0 -
If the rule is that you're allowed to write only what you are, I presume that author's works are populated solely by characters so incredibly dense that light bends around them...kle4 said:
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.LadyG said:
Quite possibly.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
https://twitter.com/AlishaEHillam/status/1274713201981128704?s=20
1,000 Likes for that tweet.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.2 -
I thought we had already established that this was the only Publisher left who does not censor LadyG's books....?kinabalu said:
Any chance of an end to this stream of utter drivel?LadyG said:
Indeed. And the concept of the individual reader is itself classist, ableist, and discriminatory.williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
What about people who can't afford books, and can't get to a library? And what of the people who don't have a quiet room in which to read? And, of course, what about illiterate people, why should they be excluded?
In future, reading will be done in enormous government reading halls, into which we will quietly file, and sit, in our masks, 2 metres apart. Then a Person of Many Colours will read out the approved text, authored by the Official Writing Committee, and at the end we will mutely signal our appreciation by doing jazz hands, because clapping is not fair on the deaf.
Then we will file out again. One by one.
It's like being trapped in a lift with Jimmy Tarbuck.1 -
I know little about Lloyd Russell-Moyle, but everything I've ever read about him has involved him acting like a complete berk.LadyG said:Labour plunges further into the Culture War
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I notice that he didn't say she exploited her sex attack ordeal.LadyG said:Labour plunges further into the Culture War
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Both sides are engaged. Transgender issues are becoming a fairly unrepresentative totem, like Blue Passports.LadyG said:Labour plunges further into the Culture War
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Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...rottenborough said:
Lock down in Leicester?FrancisUrquhart said:
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
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My deepest sympathies.LadyG said:
Amazingly, I was once trapped in a lift..... with Jimmy Tarbuck.kinabalu said:
Any chance of an end to this stream of utter drivel?LadyG said:
Indeed. And the concept of the individual reader is itself classist, ableist, and discriminatory.williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
What about people who can't afford books, and can't get to a library? And what of the people who don't have a quiet room in which to read? And, of course, what about illiterate people, why should they be excluded?
In future, reading will be done in enormous government reading halls, into which we will quietly file, and sit, in our masks, 2 metres apart. Then a Person of Many Colours will read out the approved text, authored by the Official Writing Committee, and at the end we will mutely signal our appreciation by doing jazz hands, because clapping is not fair on the deaf.
Then we will file out again. One by one.
It's like being trapped in a lift with Jimmy Tarbuck.
Yes.
But look, I sense a touch of corona complacency returning on here - so I think you have a DUTY to get back full time on that.
This other stuff helps nobody. People read it and get the wrong idea. It is pandering to the worst aspects of human nature rather than seeking to bring out the best of it.1 -
Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS1
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Sean is way ahead of his time, I know realise.williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
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I disagree . To date he remains the only British PM of this century who merits the label of 'war criminal'.CorrectHorseBattery said:Blair was the best PM this century
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You'll want to watch this one to the end. Outstandingly bonkers.
https://twitter.com/peterswellman/status/12768832493698826251 -
I think they will. They've already quietly dropped the gender recognition stuff. The woke element of the conservative party were largely purged last year in the Brexit wars. They have a free run at it.LadyG said:
It's a pleasant fantasy to think a rather spineless British Tory government will be able to reverse 40 years of Wokeist progress through academe, media, law, schools, business, charity, arts.whunter said:
People dont see what is going on. They equate wokeism with what until recently was liberalism (freedom, equality etc). It is actually something that benefits a few people (an aggrieved revolutionary elite), and is less good for everyone else because we can now get cancelled at will, have no freedom of speech, our history is getting trashed and rewritten, etc.LadyG said:
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happeningBeibheirli_C said:
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."williamglenn said:
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.rottenborough said:
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?LadyG said:
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.isam said:Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
https://bookmachine.org/2019/01/15/sensitivity-reading-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-it-matters/
And some genres are now riven with infighting on this issue: authors are getting abuse, suffering boycotts, receiving death threats
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/15/torn-apart-the-vicious-war-over-young-adult-books
This isn't hyperbole. This is real
This feels a bit like Brexit. People were seduced in to voting for it by visions of restored sovereignty and funding for the NHS, not the chaos it has become.
Fortunately or not, dependent on your perspective, the jokes going to be on the woke (if you excuse the terrible pun). 80 seat majority conservative government, 4 + years left to run. They can set up a process which claims to be about addressing racial and historic grievances; but ends up reversing the 2 decades of woke legislation which has fuelled the current mess. And all in the name of equality and anti racism!
Not going to happen.
I read a tweet the other day which rather summed it up, if I remember correctly it said:
"Culture war is the wrong description. The culture was is over, and the Left won. Now they are just going around shooting the survivors."
The pendulum WILL swing, but my, it is taking a while and by the time it happens much damage will have been done (along with the original good things done, of course: racial equality, gay rights, and so on)
Secondly, you are overestimating the impact of all this. It passes most people by. From a tactical perspective you've got to let the woke go to mad extremes (defacing churchill etc) before you have the political ability to tackle them. Thats what is happening now.
It is all about not interrupting the enemy while it is making a mistake.
I think that is the calculation.
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Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.CorrectHorseBattery said:Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
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I see father ted creator has got the twitter ban hammer treatment over this issue.0
