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@Richard_Nabavi
I lived through it,
And tell me? what did deregulation of your casino, and underinvestment in our manufacturing lead to?
You lift "your" blinkers .0 -
Ninoinoz What foreign policy disaster was that? Major won more votes than any other PM in history in 1992 and a majority against the odds, he was perfectly entitled to serve out his term0
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Yeah, yeah, 'we shall not let matters rest there' is a cast-iron guarantee of a futile post-ratification referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:Cameron gave that guarantee and was backed up by Hague with his 'We shall not let matters rest there'.
They did of course, thus proving themselves liars.
Jeez, you guys want to be taken seriously?0 -
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.Richard_Tyndall said:O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
That's politics, is it not?0 -
By "casino" I assume you mean proprietary trading. Out of curiousity, how much of our GDP do you think proprierty trading accounts for?Smarmeron said:@GIN1138
As we shouted loudly at the time. a country that makes nothing is a country heading to the wall.
Our economy under Thatcher and her idiot friend (and aided by a brain dead ex film star) based itself on running a huge casino.....fortunately for the Yanks, even they started to do some simple maths. Our clever Eton boys were to busy inserting their pencils into their orifices and selling the family silver. (Brown sold the gold later)0 -
Well, the removal of restrictive practices in the City led to quarter of a century of unprecedented prosperity and made London THE centre for business services in the timezone, the reforms in business rescued us from being the 'sick man of Europe' to being the most dynamic economy in Europe - we now even have a thriving car manufacturing sector - the trade union reforms rescued us from a climate of the most horrific violent intimidation and 29.5 million working days lost in strikes to around 0.7 million. Not bad, eh? Do you really want to go back to the Winter of Discontent?Smarmeron said:
And tell me? what did deregulation of your casino, and underinvestment in our manufacturing lead to?
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@Socrates
Our service sector is the largest part of our gdp, basically it is a faith generating machine. it rarely makes anything useful.
I love how a great many atheist shout about god being "faith based" yet the same people believe money is real.
Btw, that's why our "recovery" is so strong, All the countries service sectors were particularly hard hit, but we relied on it more than others, so we fell further.0 -
Look in the mirror Richard. One of the main reasons UKIP are doing so well is because the Tories are no longer taken seriously. Led by a man with no morals and no spine. With any luck in a few years you will be following the Lib Dems into oblivion.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yeah, yeah, 'we shall not let matters rest there' is a cast-iron guarantee of a futile post-ratification referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:Cameron gave that guarantee and was backed up by Hague with his 'We shall not let matters rest there'.
They did of course, thus proving themselves liars.
Jeez, you guys want to be taken seriously?0 -
This is a sad story;
http://news.sky.com/story/1263295/couple-took-overdose-to-delay-extradition
Not sure where I stand really, though after the way the US has behaved with Ms. Knox I'd always be tempted to tell America to clear off, tbh.0 -
Now my county sherriff is leaving me messages to vote for some guy as the next US Senator from Georgia.
It's difficult to take seriously any plea from a man whose first name is Butch.
Roll on Tuesday and this will all be over. 39 messages today.0 -
Ninoinoz Hardly Major alone, he took the UK in with Thatcher's approval and the full endorsement of Kinnock and Ashdown. The 1992 election was Major's triumph, Kinnock would have beaten Thatcher, Heseltine, maybe Hurd, would have split the party on Europe even before the election0
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Garbage.Socrates said:Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends.
Of course they are being treated unfairly. Welcome to the club. And it's not as though UKIP have been shy at treating other parties unfairly, is it? Remind me - did Farage object when Peter Cruddas, or Maria Miller, or Andrew Mitchell, was being treated abysmally by the press?
Personally, I am just laughing at UKIP's reaction to the scrutiny and mud-slinging. It's the 'we're not politicians like all the rest' from a leader who has been a professional politician for 15 years - and one particularly well oiled on the Brussels gravy train - which is the funniest bit.0 -
Major kept us in the ERM, though.HYUFD said:Ninoinoz Hardly Major alone, he took the UK in with Thatcher's approval and the full endorsement of Kinnock and Ashdown. The 1992 election was Major's triumph, Kinnock would have beaten Thatcher, Heseltine, maybe Hurd, would have split the party on Europe even before the election
And the Tories haven't won a majority since. Some triumph!0 -
I don't need to look in the mirror, I can see perfectly well that you have no answer to my point so have resorted to throwing insults.Richard_Tyndall said:Look in the mirror Richard. One of the main reasons UKIP are doing so well is because the Tories are no longer taken seriously. Led by a man with no morals and no spine. With any luck in a few years you will be following the Lib Dems into oblivion.
So, once again: do you REALLY maintain that 'we shall not let matters rest there' is a cast-iron guarantee of a futile post-ratification referendum? Come on: let's hear the answer: yes or no?0 -
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"Led by a man with no morals and no spine". Cam is basically an honest guy who has braved much fury by sticking up for unpopular policies. Kippers are agin everything but have no coherent view of how they would use power.Richard_Tyndall said:
Look in the mirror Richard. One of the main reasons UKIP are doing so well is because the Tories are no longer taken seriously. Led by a man with no morals and no spine. With any luck in a few years you will be following the Lib Dems into oblivion.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yeah, yeah, 'we shall not let matters rest there' is a cast-iron guarantee of a futile post-ratification referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:Cameron gave that guarantee and was backed up by Hague with his 'We shall not let matters rest there'.
They did of course, thus proving themselves liars.
Jeez, you guys want to be taken seriously?
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It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.Socrates said:
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.Richard_Tyndall said:O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
That's politics, is it not?
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The more common criticism is that the Tories were stupid not to back AV because it would have been in their partisan interests!ToryJim said:
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.Socrates said:
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.Richard_Tyndall said:O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
That's politics, is it not?
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AveryLP Yes, not just the Cowdreys and Ed Smith, Patrick Mayheh, former Hammersmith and Fulham MP Matthew Coleman, Frederick Forsyth, EM Forster, Dan Stevens, David Tomlinson, former HSBC chairman John Bond, Gerald Corbett also OTs0
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Ninoinoz The defeats of Hague and Howard, and the failure of Cameron to win outright were not down to Major0
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Go on then. What was 'the principle'...?ToryJim said:
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.Socrates said:
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.Richard_Tyndall said:O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
That's politics, is it not?
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Oh I know, but putting party before country is a scoundrels way of conducting himself.Richard_Nabavi said:
The more common criticism is that the Tories were stupid not to back AV because it would have been in their partisan interests!ToryJim said:
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.Socrates said:
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.Richard_Tyndall said:O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
That's politics, is it not?
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John Gummer famously left the Anglican Church in 1994 over the issue of female vicars (along with Ann Widdecombe).0
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ToryJim In 1997 the Tories got the lowest voteshare since 1832, 13 years later they were back in government, even despite today's dire results the Congress remains India's main opposition party. With 44 seats they also have surpassed the 2 won by the Canadian Tories in 1993, a party also now back in government in Canada, the pendulum will swing eventually0
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Thanks, I'm staying at the hotel you recommended tomorrow night. Being a bit of a plagiarist I'm afraid!AveryLP said:
AndyAndyJS said:
I don't mind getting up early to see it. Wasn't able to do it the other way round unfortunately.AveryLP said:
@AndyJSTim_B said:
Sounds like you expected to be somewhere else :-)AndyJS said:Greetings from Helsinki Airport. Odd feeling to arrive in a new country for the first time.
You will be heading the wrong way on the ferry! Make sure you don't get sucked into a late night as you will need to be up at 6.00 am to catch the run through the Stockholm archipelago!
Helsinki nightlife is a bit sparse. Only about ten or so bars are licensed to stay open to 3:00 am and most are attached to the big hotels.
If you want a flavour of the city in the early hours try going to the (almost) all night café in a very small hotel opposite the very large Hotel Vaakuna near the Central Station. The café is called Ravintola (restaurant) Seurahuone.
Not much booze but excellent Columbian coffee and a chance to eat the great Finnish café delicacy: a sort of moccasin pastry shoe filled with rice. Wonderful people watching too.
Ravintola Surahuone is on Brunnsgatan off Mannerheimintie (the sole wide dual roadway in the centre).0 -
PR² wasn't on offer, Sir Roderick.RodCrosby said:
Go on then. What was 'the principle'...?ToryJim said:
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.Socrates said:
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you² ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.Richard_Tyndall said:O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
That's politics, is it not?
:roll
Otherwise we might have been very principled.
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Where are you ?RobD said:Thought some PBers might enjoy this, my office view for the next week, sunset over the (distant) Pacific:
http://i.imgur.com/QdPFGX5.jpg
Chile, California ?0 -
I did try to tell them...Richard_Nabavi said:
The more common criticism is that the Tories were stupid not to back AV because it would have been in their partisan interests!ToryJim said:
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.Socrates said:
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.Richard_Tyndall said:O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
That's politics, is it not?
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/04/25/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-av-through-the-looking-glass/0 -
Travel is best based half on research and half on self-discovery.AndyJS said:
Thanks, I'm staying at the hotel you recommended tomorrow night. Being a bit of a plagiarist I'm afraid!AveryLP said:
AndyAndyJS said:
I don't mind getting up early to see it. Wasn't able to do it the other way round unfortunately.AveryLP said:
@AndyJSTim_B said:
Sounds like you expected to be somewhere else :-)AndyJS said:Greetings from Helsinki Airport. Odd feeling to arrive in a new country for the first time.
You will be heading the wrong way on the ferry! Make sure you don't get sucked into a late night as you will need to be up at 6.00 am to catch the run through the Stockholm archipelago!
Helsinki nightlife is a bit sparse. Only about ten or so bars are licensed to stay open to 3:00 am and most are attached to the big hotels.
If you want a flavour of the city in the early hours try going to the (almost) all night café in a very small hotel opposite the very large Hotel Vaakuna near the Central Station. The café is called Ravintola (restaurant) Seurahuone.
Not much booze but excellent Columbian coffee and a chance to eat the great Finnish café delicacy: a sort of moccasin pastry shoe filled with rice. Wonderful people watching too.
Ravintola Surahuone is on Brunnsgatan off Mannerheimintie (the sole wide dual roadway in the centre).
Apart from having a real sauna, eating at a Russian restaurant and walking around the very small centre there is not a lot more compulsory on the list!
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Link to the Farage interview:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE0 -
Fraser Nelson on Britain's Jobs Miracle;
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/05/the-british-jobs-miracle-contd/0 -
Down in Chile!Pulpstar said:
Where are you ?RobD said:Thought some PBers might enjoy this, my office view for the next week, sunset over the (distant) Pacific:
http://i.imgur.com/QdPFGX5.jpg
Chile, California ?0 -
The first two comments are fun:GIN1138 said:Fraser Nelson on Britain's Jobs Miracle;
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/05/the-british-jobs-miracle-contd/
Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago
Mr Nelson, could we please have graphs for Mr Hollande's Socialist Miracle so that we can compare and contrast which system works best?
Hello Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago
You could always vote Miliband and find out for yourself.
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@GIN1138
At section five he omits the "self employment" miracle..
Possibly an oversight, The miracle of not having to sign on, and risk sanctions, being paid more, plus the profit to the private job company for finding you work. (they are ever so helpful about showing the long term unemployed how to "maximize" work profit levels.....just like the big boys.
The long term unemployed are great payers if you get one off the figures.....ask the head of the Bank of England.0 -
Some years back I spent some time working in Copenhagen. For some reason I always seemed to get booked in a hotel in Malmo (this was the late 90s before the bridge was built).AndyJS said:
Thanks, I'm staying at the hotel you recommended tomorrow night. Being a bit of a plagiarist I'm afraid!AveryLP said:
AndyAndyJS said:
I don't mind getting up early to see it. Wasn't able to do it the other way round unfortunately.AveryLP said:
@AndyJSTim_B said:
Sounds like you expected to be somewhere else :-)AndyJS said:Greetings from Helsinki Airport. Odd feeling to arrive in a new country for the first time.
You will be heading the wrong way on the ferry! Make sure you don't get sucked into a late night as you will need to be up at 6.00 am to catch the run through the Stockholm archipelago!
Helsinki nightlife is a bit sparse. Only about ten or so bars are licensed to stay open to 3:00 am and most are attached to the big hotels.
If you want a flavour of the city in the early hours try going to the (almost) all night café in a very small hotel opposite the very large Hotel Vaakuna near the Central Station. The café is called Ravintola (restaurant) Seurahuone.
Not much booze but excellent Columbian coffee and a chance to eat the great Finnish café delicacy: a sort of moccasin pastry shoe filled with rice. Wonderful people watching too.
Ravintola Surahuone is on Brunnsgatan off Mannerheimintie (the sole wide dual roadway in the centre).
Sounds like Malmo and Hesinki should be twinned :-)0 -
What else are recommendations for!AndyJS said:
Thanks, I'm staying at the hotel you recommended tomorrow night. Being a bit of a plagiarist I'm afraid!AveryLP said:
AndyAndyJS said:
I don't mind getting up early to see it. Wasn't able to do it the other way round unfortunately.AveryLP said:
@AndyJSTim_B said:
Sounds like you expected to be somewhere else :-)AndyJS said:Greetings from Helsinki Airport. Odd feeling to arrive in a new country for the first time.
You will be heading the wrong way on the ferry! Make sure you don't get sucked into a late night as you will need to be up at 6.00 am to catch the run through the Stockholm archipelago!
Helsinki nightlife is a bit sparse. Only about ten or so bars are licensed to stay open to 3:00 am and most are attached to the big hotels.
If you want a flavour of the city in the early hours try going to the (almost) all night café in a very small hotel opposite the very large Hotel Vaakuna near the Central Station. The café is called Ravintola (restaurant) Seurahuone.
Not much booze but excellent Columbian coffee and a chance to eat the great Finnish café delicacy: a sort of moccasin pastry shoe filled with rice. Wonderful people watching too.
Ravintola Surahuone is on Brunnsgatan off Mannerheimintie (the sole wide dual roadway in the centre).0 -
Nice !RobD said:
Down in Chile!Pulpstar said:
Where are you ?RobD said:Thought some PBers might enjoy this, my office view for the next week, sunset over the (distant) Pacific:
http://i.imgur.com/QdPFGX5.jpg
Chile, California ?
High and dry and perfect skies.
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Evening all, back in the UK after three weeks in India
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I agree, it wouldn't have took long for o Flynn to expose o briens lies and turn the tables on him. How I wish I was the man on the spot! He could've done betterGIN1138 said:On Faragegate, I can't work out why O'Flynn butted in to the interview when the presenter had made clear he was rounding things up anyway?
Presumably he'd been getting more and more angry with the way the interview was going and couldn't control himself in the end, but it seems very unprofessional.
If he was any good as a PR, instead of getting so worked up he couldn't control himself, he should have been on to the Councillor allegations at the start of the interview. Imagine if Farage had been able to counter the accusation that the candidate was a UKIP Councillor when infact he wasn't? Would have really turned the tables.0 -
Lesson one for the unemployed...
To claim job-seekers allowance you have to fill out five vacancies a week, and a list of your activities.
Get put on a scheme, become "self employed", grab whatever grants you can....then fill in one sheet detailing how many hours you worked the previous month, have a look at what constitutes "work", then apply a little creative accountancy to make it....say 40 hours, but with almost no income...do not pass the job centre, collect full whack in tax credits... and no one checks.
Fun and profit for all.0 -
The 3 most recent Euro polls have had different parties in the lead: Tories 1%, UKIP 2%, Labour 3%. None of them put them Tories in second place.0
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Welcome back, what so you think of the Indian election result?Sunil_Prasannan said:Evening all, back in the UK after three weeks in India
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I don't know what it was you did, but that seems like a savage punishment :-)Sunil_Prasannan said:Evening all, back in the UK after three weeks in India
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Previous post should have said 40 hours a week (with plausible variations of course)0
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Oh look, Crimean Tatars face persecution under the new Russian regime:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/16/vladimir-putin-crimea-tatars-russian-ukraine0 -
Well I was in Kerala, India's most literate state and where the BJP won zero seats out of 20AndyJS said:
Welcome back, what so you think of the Indian election result?Sunil_Prasannan said:Evening all, back in the UK after three weeks in India
@TimB
I was primarily out there for my brother's wedding. A Hindu ceremony, but thankfully not too drawn out!0 -
Yes, made me chuckle.AveryLP said:
The first two comments are fun:GIN1138 said:Fraser Nelson on Britain's Jobs Miracle;
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/05/the-british-jobs-miracle-contd/
Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago
Mr Nelson, could we please have graphs for Mr Hollande's Socialist Miracle so that we can compare and contrast which system works best?
Hello Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago
You could always vote Miliband and find out for yourself.
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With our economy racing ahead in the fast lane.......does anyone wonder when the anti inflation brakes will be applied?0
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I feel sure there was some sort of "level of unemployment" rule........but it got mislaid I heard.
Still, with the fall in unemployment, and the fact that "work will always pay" there must be some upward pressure?0 -
Rates will rise in 2015. At a guess I'd say March.0
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Haha I don't want a rate rise either tbh but it will probably happen. 1/4 of a point maybe ?Smarmeron said:@Quincel and Pulpstar
With wages for the majority not expected to recover till 2020 it better be tiny?
"Oh look mummy, there goes a old lady with no clothes!"
"It's all right darling, she lives in Threadneedle Street"0 -
@Sunil_Prasannan
Welcome back, Sunil! They don't to things by halves in India when they decide to get rid of an incumbent government.Sunil_Prasannan said:Evening all, back in the UK after three weeks in India
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