@Richard_Nabavi I lived through it, And tell me? what did deregulation of your casino, and underinvestment in our manufacturing lead to? You lift "your" blinkers .
Ninoinoz What foreign policy disaster was that? Major won more votes than any other PM in history in 1992 and a majority against the odds, he was perfectly entitled to serve out his term
O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.
That's politics, is it not?
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.
@GIN1138 As we shouted loudly at the time. a country that makes nothing is a country heading to the wall. Our economy under Thatcher and her idiot friend (and aided by a brain dead ex film star) based itself on running a huge casino.....fortunately for the Yanks, even they started to do some simple maths. Our clever Eton boys were to busy inserting their pencils into their orifices and selling the family silver. (Brown sold the gold later)
By "casino" I assume you mean proprietary trading. Out of curiousity, how much of our GDP do you think proprierty trading accounts for?
Ninoinoz What foreign policy disaster was that? Major won more votes than any other PM in history in 1992 and a majority against the odds, he was perfectly entitled to serve out his term
And tell me? what did deregulation of your casino, and underinvestment in our manufacturing lead to?
Well, the removal of restrictive practices in the City led to quarter of a century of unprecedented prosperity and made London THE centre for business services in the timezone, the reforms in business rescued us from being the 'sick man of Europe' to being the most dynamic economy in Europe - we now even have a thriving car manufacturing sector - the trade union reforms rescued us from a climate of the most horrific violent intimidation and 29.5 million working days lost in strikes to around 0.7 million. Not bad, eh? Do you really want to go back to the Winter of Discontent?
Our service sector is the largest part of our gdp, basically it is a faith generating machine. it rarely makes anything useful.
I love how a great many atheist shout about god being "faith based" yet the same people believe money is real. Btw, that's why our "recovery" is so strong, All the countries service sectors were particularly hard hit, but we relied on it more than others, so we fell further.
Cameron gave that guarantee and was backed up by Hague with his 'We shall not let matters rest there'.
They did of course, thus proving themselves liars.
Yeah, yeah, 'we shall not let matters rest there' is a cast-iron guarantee of a futile post-ratification referendum.
Jeez, you guys want to be taken seriously?
Look in the mirror Richard. One of the main reasons UKIP are doing so well is because the Tories are no longer taken seriously. Led by a man with no morals and no spine. With any luck in a few years you will be following the Lib Dems into oblivion.
Ninoinoz Hardly Major alone, he took the UK in with Thatcher's approval and the full endorsement of Kinnock and Ashdown. The 1992 election was Major's triumph, Kinnock would have beaten Thatcher, Heseltine, maybe Hurd, would have split the party on Europe even before the election
ToryJim Today was an Indian equivalent of 1945 or 1997, Congress will be out for at least another election
Oh it was far worse than either. Congress now hold fewer than 10% of seats, and garnered the lowest vote share in their history. All in all pretty dire.
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends.
Garbage.
Of course they are being treated unfairly. Welcome to the club. And it's not as though UKIP have been shy at treating other parties unfairly, is it? Remind me - did Farage object when Peter Cruddas, or Maria Miller, or Andrew Mitchell, was being treated abysmally by the press?
Personally, I am just laughing at UKIP's reaction to the scrutiny and mud-slinging. It's the 'we're not politicians like all the rest' from a leader who has been a professional politician for 15 years - and one particularly well oiled on the Brussels gravy train - which is the funniest bit.
Ninoinoz Hardly Major alone, he took the UK in with Thatcher's approval and the full endorsement of Kinnock and Ashdown. The 1992 election was Major's triumph, Kinnock would have beaten Thatcher, Heseltine, maybe Hurd, would have split the party on Europe even before the election
Major kept us in the ERM, though.
And the Tories haven't won a majority since. Some triumph!
Look in the mirror Richard. One of the main reasons UKIP are doing so well is because the Tories are no longer taken seriously. Led by a man with no morals and no spine. With any luck in a few years you will be following the Lib Dems into oblivion.
I don't need to look in the mirror, I can see perfectly well that you have no answer to my point so have resorted to throwing insults.
So, once again: do you REALLY maintain that 'we shall not let matters rest there' is a cast-iron guarantee of a futile post-ratification referendum? Come on: let's hear the answer: yes or no?
Cameron gave that guarantee and was backed up by Hague with his 'We shall not let matters rest there'.
They did of course, thus proving themselves liars.
Yeah, yeah, 'we shall not let matters rest there' is a cast-iron guarantee of a futile post-ratification referendum.
Jeez, you guys want to be taken seriously?
Look in the mirror Richard. One of the main reasons UKIP are doing so well is because the Tories are no longer taken seriously. Led by a man with no morals and no spine. With any luck in a few years you will be following the Lib Dems into oblivion.
"Led by a man with no morals and no spine". Cam is basically an honest guy who has braved much fury by sticking up for unpopular policies. Kippers are agin everything but have no coherent view of how they would use power.
O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.
That's politics, is it not?
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.
O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.
That's politics, is it not?
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.
The more common criticism is that the Tories were stupid not to back AV because it would have been in their partisan interests!
AveryLP Yes, not just the Cowdreys and Ed Smith, Patrick Mayheh, former Hammersmith and Fulham MP Matthew Coleman, Frederick Forsyth, EM Forster, Dan Stevens, David Tomlinson, former HSBC chairman John Bond, Gerald Corbett also OTs
O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.
That's politics, is it not?
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.
O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.
That's politics, is it not?
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.
The more common criticism is that the Tories were stupid not to back AV because it would have been in their partisan interests!
Oh I know, but putting party before country is a scoundrels way of conducting himself.
ToryJim In 1997 the Tories got the lowest voteshare since 1832, 13 years later they were back in government, even despite today's dire results the Congress remains India's main opposition party. With 44 seats they also have surpassed the 2 won by the Canadian Tories in 1993, a party also now back in government in Canada, the pendulum will swing eventually
You will be heading the wrong way on the ferry! Make sure you don't get sucked into a late night as you will need to be up at 6.00 am to catch the run through the Stockholm archipelago!
I don't mind getting up early to see it. Wasn't able to do it the other way round unfortunately.
Andy
Helsinki nightlife is a bit sparse. Only about ten or so bars are licensed to stay open to 3:00 am and most are attached to the big hotels.
If you want a flavour of the city in the early hours try going to the (almost) all night café in a very small hotel opposite the very large Hotel Vaakuna near the Central Station. The café is called Ravintola (restaurant) Seurahuone.
Not much booze but excellent Columbian coffee and a chance to eat the great Finnish café delicacy: a sort of moccasin pastry shoe filled with rice. Wonderful people watching too.
Ravintola Surahuone is on Brunnsgatan off Mannerheimintie (the sole wide dual roadway in the centre).
Thanks, I'm staying at the hotel you recommended tomorrow night. Being a bit of a plagiarist I'm afraid!
O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.
That's politics, is it not?
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you² ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.
O'Brien specifically lied this afternoon by making a false statement and then when challenged on it maintaining he was correct.
So much the same as the Kippers, and in particular you, claiming that Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to hold a referendum even after ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.
That's politics, is it not?
Politics that the media always does to the UKIP leader but hardly ever to anyone else. You Tories know full well that UKIP are being unfairly treated, but you ignore it anyway because it suits your partisan ends. It's like the whole debate over AV, where you backed political advantage over principle and have now ended up being bitten by the unfairness of it.
It would have been odd to support a voting system that we don't agree with on principle. Political parties rarely fight for other peoples principles.
The more common criticism is that the Tories were stupid not to back AV because it would have been in their partisan interests!
You will be heading the wrong way on the ferry! Make sure you don't get sucked into a late night as you will need to be up at 6.00 am to catch the run through the Stockholm archipelago!
I don't mind getting up early to see it. Wasn't able to do it the other way round unfortunately.
Andy
Helsinki nightlife is a bit sparse. Only about ten or so bars are licensed to stay open to 3:00 am and most are attached to the big hotels.
If you want a flavour of the city in the early hours try going to the (almost) all night café in a very small hotel opposite the very large Hotel Vaakuna near the Central Station. The café is called Ravintola (restaurant) Seurahuone.
Not much booze but excellent Columbian coffee and a chance to eat the great Finnish café delicacy: a sort of moccasin pastry shoe filled with rice. Wonderful people watching too.
Ravintola Surahuone is on Brunnsgatan off Mannerheimintie (the sole wide dual roadway in the centre).
Thanks, I'm staying at the hotel you recommended tomorrow night. Being a bit of a plagiarist I'm afraid!
Travel is best based half on research and half on self-discovery.
Apart from having a real sauna, eating at a Russian restaurant and walking around the very small centre there is not a lot more compulsory on the list!
Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago Mr Nelson, could we please have graphs for Mr Hollande's Socialist Miracle so that we can compare and contrast which system works best?
Hello Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago You could always vote Miliband and find out for yourself.
At section five he omits the "self employment" miracle.. Possibly an oversight, The miracle of not having to sign on, and risk sanctions, being paid more, plus the profit to the private job company for finding you work. (they are ever so helpful about showing the long term unemployed how to "maximize" work profit levels.....just like the big boys. The long term unemployed are great payers if you get one off the figures.....ask the head of the Bank of England.
You will be heading the wrong way on the ferry! Make sure you don't get sucked into a late night as you will need to be up at 6.00 am to catch the run through the Stockholm archipelago!
I don't mind getting up early to see it. Wasn't able to do it the other way round unfortunately.
Andy
Helsinki nightlife is a bit sparse. Only about ten or so bars are licensed to stay open to 3:00 am and most are attached to the big hotels.
If you want a flavour of the city in the early hours try going to the (almost) all night café in a very small hotel opposite the very large Hotel Vaakuna near the Central Station. The café is called Ravintola (restaurant) Seurahuone.
Not much booze but excellent Columbian coffee and a chance to eat the great Finnish café delicacy: a sort of moccasin pastry shoe filled with rice. Wonderful people watching too.
Ravintola Surahuone is on Brunnsgatan off Mannerheimintie (the sole wide dual roadway in the centre).
Thanks, I'm staying at the hotel you recommended tomorrow night. Being a bit of a plagiarist I'm afraid!
Some years back I spent some time working in Copenhagen. For some reason I always seemed to get booked in a hotel in Malmo (this was the late 90s before the bridge was built).
Sounds like Malmo and Hesinki should be twinned :-)
You will be heading the wrong way on the ferry! Make sure you don't get sucked into a late night as you will need to be up at 6.00 am to catch the run through the Stockholm archipelago!
I don't mind getting up early to see it. Wasn't able to do it the other way round unfortunately.
Andy
Helsinki nightlife is a bit sparse. Only about ten or so bars are licensed to stay open to 3:00 am and most are attached to the big hotels.
If you want a flavour of the city in the early hours try going to the (almost) all night café in a very small hotel opposite the very large Hotel Vaakuna near the Central Station. The café is called Ravintola (restaurant) Seurahuone.
Not much booze but excellent Columbian coffee and a chance to eat the great Finnish café delicacy: a sort of moccasin pastry shoe filled with rice. Wonderful people watching too.
Ravintola Surahuone is on Brunnsgatan off Mannerheimintie (the sole wide dual roadway in the centre).
Thanks, I'm staying at the hotel you recommended tomorrow night. Being a bit of a plagiarist I'm afraid!
On Faragegate, I can't work out why O'Flynn butted in to the interview when the presenter had made clear he was rounding things up anyway?
Presumably he'd been getting more and more angry with the way the interview was going and couldn't control himself in the end, but it seems very unprofessional.
If he was any good as a PR, instead of getting so worked up he couldn't control himself, he should have been on to the Councillor allegations at the start of the interview. Imagine if Farage had been able to counter the accusation that the candidate was a UKIP Councillor when infact he wasn't? Would have really turned the tables.
I agree, it wouldn't have took long for o Flynn to expose o briens lies and turn the tables on him. How I wish I was the man on the spot! He could've done better
Lesson one for the unemployed... To claim job-seekers allowance you have to fill out five vacancies a week, and a list of your activities. Get put on a scheme, become "self employed", grab whatever grants you can....then fill in one sheet detailing how many hours you worked the previous month, have a look at what constitutes "work", then apply a little creative accountancy to make it....say 40 hours, but with almost no income...do not pass the job centre, collect full whack in tax credits... and no one checks. Fun and profit for all.
Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago Mr Nelson, could we please have graphs for Mr Hollande's Socialist Miracle so that we can compare and contrast which system works best?
Hello Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago You could always vote Miliband and find out for yourself.
I feel sure there was some sort of "level of unemployment" rule........but it got mislaid I heard. Still, with the fall in unemployment, and the fact that "work will always pay" there must be some upward pressure?
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I lived through it,
And tell me? what did deregulation of your casino, and underinvestment in our manufacturing lead to?
You lift "your" blinkers .
Jeez, you guys want to be taken seriously?
And Major was only on the ballot in Huntingdon.
Our service sector is the largest part of our gdp, basically it is a faith generating machine. it rarely makes anything useful.
I love how a great many atheist shout about god being "faith based" yet the same people believe money is real.
Btw, that's why our "recovery" is so strong, All the countries service sectors were particularly hard hit, but we relied on it more than others, so we fell further.
http://news.sky.com/story/1263295/couple-took-overdose-to-delay-extradition
Not sure where I stand really, though after the way the US has behaved with Ms. Knox I'd always be tempted to tell America to clear off, tbh.
It's difficult to take seriously any plea from a man whose first name is Butch.
Roll on Tuesday and this will all be over. 39 messages today.
Of course they are being treated unfairly. Welcome to the club. And it's not as though UKIP have been shy at treating other parties unfairly, is it? Remind me - did Farage object when Peter Cruddas, or Maria Miller, or Andrew Mitchell, was being treated abysmally by the press?
Personally, I am just laughing at UKIP's reaction to the scrutiny and mud-slinging. It's the 'we're not politicians like all the rest' from a leader who has been a professional politician for 15 years - and one particularly well oiled on the Brussels gravy train - which is the funniest bit.
And the Tories haven't won a majority since. Some triumph!
So, once again: do you REALLY maintain that 'we shall not let matters rest there' is a cast-iron guarantee of a futile post-ratification referendum? Come on: let's hear the answer: yes or no?
No it is not Banksy.
http://bit.ly/1lscZTR
:roll
Otherwise we might have been very principled.
Chile, California ?
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/04/25/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-av-through-the-looking-glass/
Apart from having a real sauna, eating at a Russian restaurant and walking around the very small centre there is not a lot more compulsory on the list!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/05/the-british-jobs-miracle-contd/
Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago
Mr Nelson, could we please have graphs for Mr Hollande's Socialist Miracle so that we can compare and contrast which system works best?
Hello Cooper1992 • 5 hours ago
You could always vote Miliband and find out for yourself.
At section five he omits the "self employment" miracle..
Possibly an oversight, The miracle of not having to sign on, and risk sanctions, being paid more, plus the profit to the private job company for finding you work. (they are ever so helpful about showing the long term unemployed how to "maximize" work profit levels.....just like the big boys.
The long term unemployed are great payers if you get one off the figures.....ask the head of the Bank of England.
Sounds like Malmo and Hesinki should be twinned :-)
High and dry and perfect skies.
To claim job-seekers allowance you have to fill out five vacancies a week, and a list of your activities.
Get put on a scheme, become "self employed", grab whatever grants you can....then fill in one sheet detailing how many hours you worked the previous month, have a look at what constitutes "work", then apply a little creative accountancy to make it....say 40 hours, but with almost no income...do not pass the job centre, collect full whack in tax credits... and no one checks.
Fun and profit for all.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/16/vladimir-putin-crimea-tatars-russian-ukraine
@TimB
I was primarily out there for my brother's wedding. A Hindu ceremony, but thankfully not too drawn out!
Still, with the fall in unemployment, and the fact that "work will always pay" there must be some upward pressure?
With wages for the majority not expected to recover till 2020 it better be tiny?
"Oh look mummy, there goes a old lady with no clothes!"
"It's all right darling, she lives in Threadneedle Street"
Be not affeared good sir,listen to the calming words of St Carney
Welcome back, Sunil! They don't to things by halves in India when they decide to get rid of an incumbent government.