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Biden ahead with Rasmussen alert.HYUFD said:1 -
The massive scandal that is care home and social care under Covid being taken apart on Newsnight.0
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Rasmussen have only had Trump ahead once vs Biden.rottenborough said:0 -
It took you years to be this full of piss and windeadric said:
Trust me. After our economy shrinks by 10-20% in 6 months, along with economies all around the world, and we enter a recession so severe its like is not within the purview of living memory, the chance that we will still remember it in about 18 months is “quite high”anotherex_tory said:
Well you may be the expert on creating stupid comments but that doesn't necessarily qualify you to detect them.eadric said:
Hahahahahahanotherex_tory said:
Actually, Brexit is like Polio an utterly pernicious multilateral infection which causes debilitating and permanent damage. It could be a limp, nerve damage or paralysis but damage will be done either way and its permanent. The other similarity to Brexit is that Polio is caused by swallowing faecal matter.eadric said:Mexicanpete said:
So its a bit like having a foot removed, a mere trifle and not of any consequence whatsover in comparison to having the offending leg amputated instead?eadric said:
It really won’t. Covid-19 is a disaster. Hard Brexit is a modest prang in comparison. We might not even notice, amidst the horror of a second waveMikeSmithson said:
Except walking away will be a disaster whatever Boris fanboys sayPhilip_Thompson said:FPT
Because the EU don't want us to walk away and the government is prepared to do so.williamglenn said:
Why should Barnier care about UK public opinion, or to put it differently, why is UK public opinion more important than EU27 public opinion?Philip_Thompson said:
I think if we end up walking away then in the battle of public opinion the UK government has easily won this round over Barnier.williamglenn said:"There is no automatic entitlement to any benefits that the EU may have offered or granted in other contexts and circumstances to other, often very different, partners."
https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1263118957944483842
Quoting chapter and verse what they're looking for, why its been deemed acceptable before and to whom was a stroke of genius. Barnier stammering that the UK can't get the same without a reason is going to impress nobody neutral.
The UK holds the cards.
Hard Brexit is not a foot amputation, you spineless cuck. We know this because we now KNOW what a real disaster feels like: as we’re in one.
If you need an analogy Hard Brexit is tonsillitis, Corona is throat cancer.
Covid 19 on the other hand is, well, Covid 19. A disease that kills very few, leaves most unaffected permanently and the outcome depends somewhat on luck but largely on preparation (general health). It seems to be treatable and there will be a vaccine.
In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used - the topic of conversation will still be the fall-out from Brexit and it will continue to be discussed as long as there is an EU for the UK to re- join, leave or remain in i.e. for the rest of my lifetime at least.
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“ In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used”
Congratulations on creating one of the stupidest comments in PB’s illustrious history of stupidity, in just your first hour on the site. Well played.
Even if we get a vaccine, as you so poignantly assume.
But be of good cheer. You have set a standard. It normally takes new commenters about 4-6 weeks to reveal themselves as goggle-eyed pinheads, you’ve done it in fifteen minutes0 -
No! I hang my head in shame...thankfully Eadric appears to have gone to bed so I won’t suffer his sick burnsRobD said:2 -
"During the course of the API’s development, Apple and Google have made various improvements to ensure that privacy is an utmost consideration , including encrypting all Bluetooth metadata (like signal strength and specific transmitting power), as that could potentially be used to determine what type of device was used, which offers a slim possibility of associating an individual with a specific device and using that as one vector for identification."FrancisUrquhart said:Now if we had gone with google / apple api, we would be having the app in a couple of days time...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2020/05/20/apple-and-google-launch-exposure-notification-api-enabling-public-health-authorities-to-release-apps/amp/
Meanwhile in UK...0 -
The ‘world beating’ schlick is bollocks in any event.SandyRentool said:Looks like our world-beating track n trace system will be based on post-it notes and lengths of twine...
Track and trace is a simple, low tech process; you just need a lot of trained people, and to be proactive. And testing capacity to back it up.
Not sure how we beat the world at it when other countries have been doing it for months.
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It will be the worst in the world, thereby beating everyone to the bottom of the heap?Nigelb said:
The ‘world beating’ schlick is bollocks in any event.SandyRentool said:Looks like our world-beating track n trace system will be based on post-it notes and lengths of twine...
Track and trace is a simple, low tech process; you just need a lot of trained people, and to be proactive. And testing capacity to back it up.
Not sure how we beat the world at it when other countries have been doing it for months.0 -
South Korea waves....Nigelb said:
The ‘world beating’ schlick is bollocks in any event.SandyRentool said:Looks like our world-beating track n trace system will be based on post-it notes and lengths of twine...
Track and trace is a simple, low tech process; you just need a lot of trained people, and to be proactive. And testing capacity to back it up.
Not sure how we beat the world at it when other countries have been doing it for months.0 -
When I was a kid there was a book in our house that we all discussed endlessly: Easy Money, by Robin Banksstate_go_away said:
Robbing a bank will fall into that quaint category of serious offences that nobody does these days because they are so passe like Piracy on the High Seas , Witchcraft and Beating a Carpet Rug in a Main ThouroughfareDougSeal said:
I’m old school like thatstate_go_away said:
Rob a bank ?- how very 1960s. You have to phish it nowadays.DougSeal said:
Two things give me comfort in these dark times. Firstly, I know that if I try to rob a bank, whether or not I succeed, my food and rent will be sorted for the next 10 years or so. Secondly, the recursive loop of PB’s Brexit discussions is proof positive that some things on this mortal realm really are eternal.Casino_Royale said:
Not on here.rcs1000 said:
Human beings are resilient. Even if CV-19 had carried off the numbers you'd feared, we'd still be talking about other things in two years time.eadric said:Can we preserve this comment in a large ingot of tariff-free Lithuanian amber?
“In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used”
We'll still be talking about Brexit.1 -
There is certainly a considerable gap between the government account, and that of those actually running care homes.rottenborough said:The massive scandal that is care home and social care under Covid being taken apart on Newsnight.
There’s also a pretty large gap between the government account of what it did back in March, and the actual policy documents published back then.
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wasn't Roger the apologist for Polanski? Sure you want to claim it as a kindred spirit?tyson said:
I miss Roger...he was my kindred spirit....eadric said:
I dunno. Hope he’s OK. He and I often crossed sabres but he always took it in very good humour, and He was excellent value with his Oscar Predictions. He knew a LOT about movies, tho less about economics.tyson said:
What happened to Roger?eadric said:
Anotherex-Tory has quite cheered me uptyson said:
I'd ignore Eadric...antotherexx....he is this site's Michael Moore polemicist...and anyone is fair game.......but, sadly, his posts are readable.....eadric said:
Trust me. After our economy shrinks by 10-20% in 6 months, along with economies all around the world, and we enter a recession so severe its like is not within the purview of living memory, the chances are we still remember it in about 18 months are “quite high”anotherex_tory said:
Well you may be the expert on creating stupid comments but that doesn't necessarily qualify you to detect them.eadric said:
Hahahahahahanotherex_tory said:
Actually, Brexit is like Polio an utterly pernicious multilateral infection which causes debilitating and permanent damage. It could be a limp, nerve damage or paralysis but damage will be done either way and its permanent. The other similarity to Brexit is that Polio is caused by swallowing faecal matter.eadric said:Mexicanpete said:
So its a bit like having a foot removed, a mere trifle and not of any consequence whatsover in comparison to having the offending leg amputated instead?eadric said:
It really won’t. Covid-19 is a disaster. Hard Brexit is a modest prang in comparison. We might not even notice, amidst the horror of a second waveMikeSmithson said:
Except walking away will be a disaster whatever Boris fanboys sayPhilip_Thompson said:FPT
Because the EU don't want us to walk away and the government is prepared to do so.williamglenn said:
Why should Barnier care about UK public opinion, or to put it differently, why is UK public opinion more important than EU27 public opinion?Philip_Thompson said:
I think if we end up walking away then in the battle of public opinion the UK government has easily won this round over Barnier.williamglenn said:"There is no automatic entitlement to any benefits that the EU may have offered or granted in other contexts and circumstances to other, often very different, partners."
https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1263118957944483842
Quoting chapter and verse what they're looking for, why its been deemed acceptable before and to whom was a stroke of genius. Barnier stammering that the UK can't get the same without a reason is going to impress nobody neutral.
The UK holds the cards.
Hard Brexit is not a foot amputation, you spineless cuck. We know this because we now KNOW what a real disaster feels like: as we’re in one.
If you need an analogy Hard Brexit is tonsillitis, Corona is throat cancer.
Covid 19 on the other hand is, well, Covid 19. A disease that kills very few, leaves most unaffected permanently and the outcome depends somewhat on luck but largely on preparation (general health). It seems to be treatable and there will be a vaccine.
In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used - the topic of conversation will still be the fall-out from Brexit and it will continue to be discussed as long as there is an EU for the UK to re- join, leave or remain in i.e. for the rest of my lifetime at least.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“ In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used”
Congratulations on creating one of the stupidest comments in PB’s illustrious history of stupidity, in just your first hour on the site. Well played.
Even if we get a vaccine, as you so poignantly assume.
But be of good cheer. You have set a standard. It normally takes new commenters about 4-6 weeks to reveal themselves as goggle-eyed pinheads, you’ve done it in fifteen minutes
“In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used“
It’s worthy of Rogerdamus at his best. And Roger was good. I miss him.
Buenos Noches, I am off to watch Narcos Mexico, which is rather fine.
I miss the affluent old lefty.
I met him a few times...I think you'd have liked him...he was off piste....
I'm hopeless at sustaining friendships...I'm too lazy. And I like being by myself too much...which outside my wife, doesn't leave me with much space to be sociable....0 -
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We could, of course, have trained all these people up before we had the testing capacity rather than waiting.Nigelb said:
The ‘world beating’ schlick is bollocks in any event.SandyRentool said:Looks like our world-beating track n trace system will be based on post-it notes and lengths of twine...
Track and trace is a simple, low tech process; you just need a lot of trained people, and to be proactive. And testing capacity to back it up.
Not sure how we beat the world at it when other countries have been doing it for months.2 -
Is he the same bloke who does the garffiti people pay silly money for?Charles said:
When I was a kid there was a book in our house that we all discussed endlessly: Easy Money, by Robin Banksstate_go_away said:
Robbing a bank will fall into that quaint category of serious offences that nobody does these days because they are so passe like Piracy on the High Seas , Witchcraft and Beating a Carpet Rug in a Main ThouroughfareDougSeal said:
I’m old school like thatstate_go_away said:
Rob a bank ?- how very 1960s. You have to phish it nowadays.DougSeal said:
Two things give me comfort in these dark times. Firstly, I know that if I try to rob a bank, whether or not I succeed, my food and rent will be sorted for the next 10 years or so. Secondly, the recursive loop of PB’s Brexit discussions is proof positive that some things on this mortal realm really are eternal.Casino_Royale said:
Not on here.rcs1000 said:
Human beings are resilient. Even if CV-19 had carried off the numbers you'd feared, we'd still be talking about other things in two years time.eadric said:Can we preserve this comment in a large ingot of tariff-free Lithuanian amber?
“In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used”
We'll still be talking about Brexit.0 -
‘ Night gathers, and now my watch begins...’Anabobazina said:
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Mmm. Would be surprised if there were no novels, plays, music, movies, histories, sociological and psychological texts or great visual art produced around the broad theme...eadric said:Can we preserve this comment in a large ingot of tariff-free Lithuanian amber?
“In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used”
Very surprised.0 -
To state the obvious the most hopeful scenario is that the virus disappears by itself in a few week's time, plus no further waves or peaks. That scenario isn't quite as far-fetched as it might sound.0
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He lurksAnabobazina said:0 -
No, but his sister-in-law, Miss D. Buss - most famous for The Long Walk Home - was also a noted authorFrancisUrquhart said:
Is he the same bloke who does the garffiti people pay silly money for?Charles said:
When I was a kid there was a book in our house that we all discussed endlessly: Easy Money, by Robin Banksstate_go_away said:
Robbing a bank will fall into that quaint category of serious offences that nobody does these days because they are so passe like Piracy on the High Seas , Witchcraft and Beating a Carpet Rug in a Main ThouroughfareDougSeal said:
I’m old school like thatstate_go_away said:
Rob a bank ?- how very 1960s. You have to phish it nowadays.DougSeal said:
Two things give me comfort in these dark times. Firstly, I know that if I try to rob a bank, whether or not I succeed, my food and rent will be sorted for the next 10 years or so. Secondly, the recursive loop of PB’s Brexit discussions is proof positive that some things on this mortal realm really are eternal.Casino_Royale said:
Not on here.rcs1000 said:
Human beings are resilient. Even if CV-19 had carried off the numbers you'd feared, we'd still be talking about other things in two years time.eadric said:Can we preserve this comment in a large ingot of tariff-free Lithuanian amber?
“In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used”
We'll still be talking about Brexit.1 -
Ave it is always around! 😈Charles said:
He lurksAnabobazina said:2 -
So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/12632420356805591050 -
Isn't that lower than in the UK? Oh dear indeed.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/12632402795547893760 -
Now the Question is, are they have they termed to protesting because they are angry about living with there patents and use that to take there frustration out, or are they living with there parents because there are too buissy protesting to sort out accommodation?HYUFD said:
and how different is this form 'normail' Burliners of that age group?0 -
Germany... South Africa...FrancisUrquhart said:
South Korea waves....Nigelb said:
The ‘world beating’ schlick is bollocks in any event.SandyRentool said:Looks like our world-beating track n trace system will be based on post-it notes and lengths of twine...
Track and trace is a simple, low tech process; you just need a lot of trained people, and to be proactive. And testing capacity to back it up.
Not sure how we beat the world at it when other countries have been doing it for months.
Bahrain:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/20/pitfalls-the-uk-needs-to-avoid-when-contact-tracing-for-coronavirus-john-ashton0 -
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.0 -
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.0 -
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...0 -
i was working on a project at a bank a couple of years ago when news broke that there'd been an armed robbery at one of the branches in the city. The reaction from the bank head office staff was a mixture of misty eyed nostalgia and incredulity that criminals would be so stupid as the potential payoff was so low.state_go_away said:
Robbing a bank will fall into that quaint category of serious offences that nobody does these days because they are so passe like Piracy on the High Seas , Witchcraft and Beating a Carpet Rug in a Main ThouroughfareDougSeal said:
I’m old school like thatstate_go_away said:
Rob a bank ?- how very 1960s. You have to phish it nowadays.DougSeal said:
Two things give me comfort in these dark times. Firstly, I know that if I try to rob a bank, whether or not I succeed, my food and rent will be sorted for the next 10 years or so. Secondly, the recursive loop of PB’s Brexit discussions is proof positive that some things on this mortal realm really are eternal.Casino_Royale said:
Not on here.rcs1000 said:
Human beings are resilient. Even if CV-19 had carried off the numbers you'd feared, we'd still be talking about other things in two years time.eadric said:Can we preserve this comment in a large ingot of tariff-free Lithuanian amber?
“In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used”
We'll still be talking about Brexit.0 -
Seroconversion takes about two weeks, I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...
After symptom onset, for most cases.0 -
A few years around round our way a gang was knocking over a rural shops at about one a week. They were only getting about £1-2k per job. When they caught them, there was 4 of them involved, and apparently it took them several days to steal a car, check out the place they were going to go over etc.Denspark said:
i was working on a project at a bank a couple of years ago when news broke that there'd been an armed robbery at one of the branches in the city. The reaction from the bank head office staff was a mixture of misty eyed nostalgia and incredulity that criminals would be so stupid as the potential payoff was so low.state_go_away said:
Robbing a bank will fall into that quaint category of serious offences that nobody does these days because they are so passe like Piracy on the High Seas , Witchcraft and Beating a Carpet Rug in a Main ThouroughfareDougSeal said:
I’m old school like thatstate_go_away said:
Rob a bank ?- how very 1960s. You have to phish it nowadays.DougSeal said:
Two things give me comfort in these dark times. Firstly, I know that if I try to rob a bank, whether or not I succeed, my food and rent will be sorted for the next 10 years or so. Secondly, the recursive loop of PB’s Brexit discussions is proof positive that some things on this mortal realm really are eternal.Casino_Royale said:
Not on here.rcs1000 said:
Human beings are resilient. Even if CV-19 had carried off the numbers you'd feared, we'd still be talking about other things in two years time.eadric said:Can we preserve this comment in a large ingot of tariff-free Lithuanian amber?
“In 2022 we won't be talking about Covid 19 other than which vaccine was used”
We'll still be talking about Brexit.
By the time you take all that into consideration, be easier / better paid to just have a regular job.0 -
Absolutely no idea how their model gets to 30% then.Nigelb said:
Seroconversion takes about two weeks, I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...
After symptom onset, for most cases.0 -
Tourism accounts for around 20% of Hawaii’s economy...
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/19/world/science-health-world/dont-come-hawaii-mothballs-17-8-billion-tourist-industry/0 -
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It's wrong, perhaps?FrancisUrquhart said:
Absolutely no idea how their model gets to 30% then.Nigelb said:
Seroconversion takes about two weeks, I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...
After symptom onset, for most cases.
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(Don't ) book it Danno -- Covid -19!Nigelb said:Tourism accounts for around 20% of Hawaii’s economy...
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/19/world/science-health-world/dont-come-hawaii-mothballs-17-8-billion-tourist-industry/0 -
Modelling this pandemic is clearly a very imprecise science.FrancisUrquhart said:
Absolutely no idea how their model gets to 30% then.Nigelb said:
Seroconversion takes about two weeks, I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...
After symptom onset, for most cases.
I posted a paper earlier today which demonstrated that outcomes are very sensitive to small changes in assumptions and initial inputs into epidemiological models.0 -
Brazil 20k new cases today alone. That's a pretty terrifying number given how few tests they're doing - hard to figure precise numbers, but their total test count so far seems to be similar to Portugal or Belgium (but with 20x the population).0
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Wishful thinking.FrancisUrquhart said:
Absolutely no idea how their model gets to 30% then.Nigelb said:
Seroconversion takes about two weeks, I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...
After symptom onset, for most cases.0 -
Right, I've been a regular lurker for the last 5+ years and enjoy this website - particularly reading the replies!
I have to say this update, while I understand what you're doing is going to really undermine yourselves. This is for several reasons -
1. I try to load pages via mobile and no replies come up for nearly a minute. This is not good.
2. I try and reply via mobile, it does not let me reply. This is worse.
3. It does not show about the first few letters of people's posts (on every single new line) when viewing mobile.
I 100% understand that upgrades take time and there will be bugs to be worked out, but I see a lack of addressing or even acknowledging here, and to that I am very disappointed. Come on now, plenty of time - this won't work if your site turns new people away due to these issues. I run my own community/sites and I completely get how difficult this can be, but I see a lack of uh effort here which is a concern?
Is there a bug testing thread or something here? How can this be reported? Come on now.
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@Ferefire - welcome! As a fallback, you can view the comments through this link - https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussionFerefire said:Right, I've been a regular lurker for the last 5+ years and enjoy this website - particularly reading the replies!
I have to say this update, while I understand what you're doing is going to really undermine yourselves. This is for several reasons -
1. I try to load pages via mobile and no replies come up for nearly a minute. This is not good.
2. I try and reply via mobile, it does not let me reply. This is worse.
3. It does not show about the first few letters of people's posts (on every single new line) when viewing mobile.
I 100% understand that upgrades take time and there will be bugs to be worked out, but I see a lack of addressing or even acknowledging here, and to that I am very disappointed. Come on now, plenty of time - this won't work if your site turns new people away! I run my own community/sites and I completely get how difficult this can be, but I see a lack of uh effort here which is a concern?
Is there a bug testing thread or something here? How can this be reported? Come on now.
I've flagged your comment to the powers that be. I know the new website was only just released, so easy to imagine some teething problems.0 -
I appreciate that, thanks RobD. I've gone through a similar process of upgrading my own community during this period and hit a lot of issues and feedback from members. I worry that this site isn't being informed for one reason or the other of issues, so I hope (perhaps I am ignorant, and I hope that I am) I can lend my feedback here.RobD said:
@Ferefire - welcome! As a fallback, you can view the comments through this link - https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussionFerefire said:Right, I've been a regular lurker for the last 5+ years and enjoy this website - particularly reading the replies!
I have to say this update, while I understand what you're doing is going to really undermine yourselves. This is for several reasons -
1. I try to load pages via mobile and no replies come up for nearly a minute. This is not good.
2. I try and reply via mobile, it does not let me reply. This is worse.
3. It does not show about the first few letters of people's posts (on every single new line) when viewing mobile.
I 100% understand that upgrades take time and there will be bugs to be worked out, but I see a lack of addressing or even acknowledging here, and to that I am very disappointed. Come on now, plenty of time - this won't work if your site turns new people away! I run my own community/sites and I completely get how difficult this can be, but I see a lack of uh effort here which is a concern?
Is there a bug testing thread or something here? How can this be reported? Come on now.
I've flagged your comment to the powers that be. I know the new website was only just released, so easy to imagine some teething problems.0 -
In all honesty, it's likely a CSS issue in the stylesheets, possibly under a responsive file designed for mobile. I've tried to look up the "Neat!" theme this site uses, but can't seem to find it, so anything beyond that would be a guess.0
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@RobD this is how I currently see this site on mobile -
https://we.tl/t-olqZQMQg1I
My colleague tried to also post just now, and can confirm the same results as me, basically it refused to post with the post grayed out -
https://we.tl/t-awHFd2uauS
These are major major problems if this site wishes to get engagement from mobile users.0 -
Isn't sensitivity to initial conditions a hallmark of this type of system. And why international comparisons are fraught at a fundamental epistemological level.Nigelb said:
Modelling this pandemic is clearly a very imprecise science.FrancisUrquhart said:
Absolutely no idea how their model gets to 30% then.Nigelb said:
Seroconversion takes about two weeks, I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...
After symptom onset, for most cases.
I posted a paper earlier today which demonstrated that outcomes are very sensitive to small changes in assumptions and initial inputs into epidemiological models.0 -
Nigelb said:
Seroconversion takes about two weeks, I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...
After symptom onset, for most cases.
CDC says 1-2 weeks0 -
Sounds right - I should have said two weeks for most cases to have seroconverted.TimT said:
CDC says 1-2 weeksNigelb said:
Seroconversion takes about two weeks, I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...
After symptom onset, for most cases.
(Which is the relevant figure for the Swedish stats.)
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Good point.TimT said:
Isn't sensitivity to initial conditions a hallmark of this type of system. And why international comparisons are fraught at a fundamental epistemological level.Nigelb said:
Modelling this pandemic is clearly a very imprecise science.FrancisUrquhart said:
Absolutely no idea how their model gets to 30% then.Nigelb said:
Seroconversion takes about two weeks, I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember it take 4-6 weeks to develop the antibodies. So the results are basically how many people had it lets says by the end of March.RobD said:
Despite the evidence showing they haven't?FrancisUrquhart said:
The findings were roughly in line with models predicting a third of the Swedish capital’s population would have had the virus by now and where at least limited herd immunity could have set in, the Swedish Health Agency said on Wednesday.Andrew said:So much for the Swedish approach. This would also fit with ICL model estimates that the whole country was at just 4%.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1263242035680559105
“It is a little bit lower (than expected) but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent,” Tegnell told a Stockholm news conference. “It squares pretty well with the models we have.”
They are still sticking to this claim of very high number of people having had it.
But still...
After symptom onset, for most cases.
I posted a paper earlier today which demonstrated that outcomes are very sensitive to small changes in assumptions and initial inputs into epidemiological models.
Though models are capable of throwing up figures well beyond reality as well.
At least the real world, however unbelievable, is (probably) real.0
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