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Michelle Obama is now 10/1 to be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee ? pic.twitter.com/hwzAJsPE0t
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First. Like Cortez.0
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Yes it’s pretty random, largely irrational and has no obvious rules. A market to avoid.2
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And Wanstead Park itself.Peter_the_Punter said:
Lol! Parts of Epping Forest are in fact to be found in Wansted - Bush Wood and the little copse off the High Street for example.Anabobazina said:
Going to the gym is also deeply boring, and a waste of money, when it’s far nicer to exercise outdoors. One of the few good things to emerge from this is people exploring their local areas, by bike or foot. I spoke to lady in Wanstead the other day who had lived there for years, and didn’t know it bordered Epping Forest until now.Peter_the_Punter said:
I've been surprised just how much a long walk with the dog in the evening helps with weight loss. Gym visits I found didn't help much with weight because you didn't lose much and ate like a pig when you got back.DavidL said:
I am finding it a pretty close run thing. 2 hours of walking versus way too many snacks whilst at home on lockdown. Weight goes up and down but my daughter is just making blueberry pancakes. This might be an up day.another_richard said:
Extra sports and leisure facilities will not help if people will not use them.noneoftheabove said:
Go to a french town of say 20,000 people and it will have public sports and leisure facilities equivalent to an English town of 100,000.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I don't think a gym subsidy is "big brother". However it does risk the perception that by being fat you get a bonus that other people want but have to pay for.Stocky said:
I see your point, but - hmmm - that`s a bit too big brother for me.Black_Rook said:
When this is finally over the Department of Health should consider paying for fat people to attend slimming clubs. If we could succeed even in getting a fifth of the obese population down into the overweight category and a tenth of the overweight population down into the healthy range then the benefits would be well worth the expenditure.Malmesbury said:
Positive nudge is probably cheaper, easier to implement. A Vitality type system for the general population would probably save the NHS money.Black_Rook said:
I doubt that these kinds of sin taxes have the intended effect. They simply make things that taste nice less affordable for poor people.Mysticrose said:
A friend of mine has been going on about this & it's really valid. How many obesity-related deaths occur each year in the UK? You don't see a lot of fuss being made about it but his argument is that we should accept coronavirus is around and focus rather on obesity and exercise.malcolmg said:
That was my point , perhaps not well put the first time.Mysticrose said:
See, when you put it like that you have a really good point.malcolmg said:
G, I understand people can be really ill with these types of things but why does UK have so high a number for all these ailments and disabilities. It is the saddest , fattest , unhealthiest , most disabled country in the developed world.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest Malc we have a close family member suffering from PTSD after rescuing bodies in an earthquake zone. It is not something to dismiss so easily to be honestmalcolmg said:
Have to say the UK has turned into a bunch of wimps. Everybody seems to be ill and cannot cope with anything nowadays, why does it have top billing in every disorder known to man.tlg86 said:Excellent thread @Foxy - I don't envy the task facing those working in the NHS. I would take issue with this:
Non surgical specialities including mental health will be similarly affected, though these get less media attention.
You can't turn on the news these days without hearing about mental health. Sure enough, the Sky News presenter Niall Paterson has just said he's starting to suffer and they'll be discussing it on (I think) the Sophy Ridge show.
Crisp tax anyone?
Thats why they get to eat croissants, cheese, four course meals for lunch and still be fitter than us.
A walk every evening is free and very effective for weight loss.1 -
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CarlottaVance said:
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See my comments on Ireland.
Yes not a great comparison , only excuse would be lesser concentration of population but a flimsy one. Strange the rates in Inverclyde and Midlothian but both have small population numbers even though similar other areas much lower.
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That a serious question?CarlottaVance said:
When it comes to Health, testing or PPE it is the Scottish Government's fault.malcolmg said:
Instead they call the shots and then claim it is all Scotland/SNP fault, it is pathetic.Carnyx said:
Fair enough to the first point, and on the second, if your lot wouldn't allow the Scottish Gmt proper powers, then they can **** well take the blame.CarlottaVance said:
I've been advocating it for weeks. Although it should be a UK external border.Carnyx said:
Carlotta doesn't really mean that. She would be the first person to whine if the Scottish Government actually did what Guernsey did and imposed a 14 day quarantine on all incomers - including at Lamberton Toll and Gretna Green.CarlottaVance said:MattW said:
I thought we'd buried that ludicrous comparison the other day.CarlottaVance said:
Just making the point that Guernsey has fulfilled 100% of it's target and Scotland 0%. The government's of Guernsey and Scotland face very different challenges - but only one of them hasn't had a new case in 17 days.malcolmg said:
So now you know better than the government and scientists on how many tracers they needCarlottaVance said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/coronavirus-scotland-despite-8500-people-22039844malcolmg said:
I assume it is going well, applications do not close till 22nd , you still have time to apply.CarlottaVance said:
How’s Contact Tracer hiring going in Scotland?malcolmg said:
Like England they imagine UK = England.CarlottaVance said:I think they actually mean the UK government "in England":
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1261981892439674881?s=20
Guernsey has already hired and trained its Contact Tracers - proportionately 50% more than the Scottish Government target.
I can confirm that Rockall met its quota long before Guernsey.
Not interested in learning from others? Fair enough.
Or do you only want to take credit for successes and deflect any blame onto London?0 -
Giving money to people that they don't realise they're going to have to pay back is also good for approval ratings
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Never seen an explanation of Inverclyde and Midlothian - it may just be chance in the distribution of early spreaders, esp. with small populations which means more stochastic fluctuation and founder effect. Midlothian at least would also tend to contain numbers of workers for ERI on those radials outward from SE Edinburgh .malcolmg said:
Yes not a great comparison , only excuse would be lesser concentration of population but a flimsy one. Strange the rates in Inverclyde and Midlothian but both have small population numbers even though similar other areas much lower.CarlottaVance said:
See my comments on Ireland.malcolmg said:
I hardly think we could learn anything from an island with 60K population , only a Tory could imagine something so bizarre. If you had said similar population small countries I could agree wholeheartedly.CarlottaVance said:MattW said:
I thought we'd buried that ludicrous comparison the other day.CarlottaVance said:
Just making the point that Guernsey has fulfilled 100% of it's target and Scotland 0%. The government's of Guernsey and Scotland face very different challenges - but only one of them hasn't had a new case in 17 days.malcolmg said:
So now you know better than the government and scientists on how many tracers they needCarlottaVance said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/coronavirus-scotland-despite-8500-people-22039844malcolmg said:
I assume it is going well, applications do not close till 22nd , you still have time to apply.CarlottaVance said:
How’s Contact Tracer hiring going in Scotland?malcolmg said:
Like England they imagine UK = England.CarlottaVance said:I think they actually mean the UK government "in England":
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1261981892439674881?s=20
Guernsey has already hired and trained its Contact Tracers - proportionately 50% more than the Scottish Government target.
I can confirm that Rockall met its quota long before Guernsey.
Not interested in learning from others? Fair enough.
Other surprise for me is more affluent south Ayrshire being higher than north Ayrshire0 -
FPT:
The total 6 days ago was 152, a drop of 31 on the previous day. This means we could be below 100 a day at the moment.
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1262019094842413057/photo/10 -
Interesting divergence in the favourability ratings:
Net Favourable : ABC1 / C2DE
Johnson: +1 / +16
Starmer: +16 / -1
Patel: -41 / -26
On the other hand:
Sunak: +37 / +29
How that fares when he starts asking for it back is another matter.....0 -
Including the apparent evidence of very different reporting of deaths between Scotland and England, and (in previous postings) the persistent udnerstatement of testing figures, both on a dailu basis and in terms of [edit] compartison with the numbers partly inflated by a random shotgun policy down south (at least beforte things settle down). Very frustrating that it's almost impossible to get any decent cxomparison, though that difference in the deaths figures needs to be explained as an a priori anomaly.malcolmg said:
Carnyx has covered those points.CarlottaVance said:
What orders are you taking on Health, testing or PPE?malcolmg said:
Like other UK countries we are near the top of the worst countries and it si no coincidence. You can see clearly how well managed independent small countries fare much better than when you are a colony taking orders.CarlottaVance said:I expect the picture for England is equally (or more) bleak:
https://twitter.com/TravellingTabby/status/1262012610679132161?s=20
Interesting comparison with Ireland - is the lower infection/higher fatality rate in Scotland a function of lower testing? In other words infections in Scotland understated and fatality rate overstated?
Indeed, you're doing your own research into whether or not you should buy the Roche test "to make sure it's right for Scotland".......0 -
I went past the testing station at Penrith today, on both occasions ,I saw no-one using them. No cars waiting, no testing being done, nothing.
Plenty of Hi Vis attendants all looking bored or sat on the grass with their phones.
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Afternoon all
As the late Kenny Rogers so adroitly opined "you've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em".1 -
I suspect the next stage of lockdown will be initiated if we go sub 100 deaths a day and sub 1000 new cases per day.Andy_JS said:FPT:
The total 6 days ago was 152, a drop of 31 on the previous day. This means we could be below 100 a day at the moment.
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1262019094842413057/photo/11 -
Why did the Guardian think this was clever?
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What successes have we taken credit for, there are none, it has been a shitshow for Westminster. You see the result if they even threaten to do something different, the bully boys threaten to take away the pocket money, threaten to starve their colony into submission.Luckyguy1983 said:FPT:
That a serious question?CarlottaVance said:
When it comes to Health, testing or PPE it is the Scottish Government's fault.malcolmg said:
Instead they call the shots and then claim it is all Scotland/SNP fault, it is pathetic.Carnyx said:
Fair enough to the first point, and on the second, if your lot wouldn't allow the Scottish Gmt proper powers, then they can **** well take the blame.CarlottaVance said:
I've been advocating it for weeks. Although it should be a UK external border.Carnyx said:
Carlotta doesn't really mean that. She would be the first person to whine if the Scottish Government actually did what Guernsey did and imposed a 14 day quarantine on all incomers - including at Lamberton Toll and Gretna Green.CarlottaVance said:MattW said:
I thought we'd buried that ludicrous comparison the other day.CarlottaVance said:
Just making the point that Guernsey has fulfilled 100% of it's target and Scotland 0%. The government's of Guernsey and Scotland face very different challenges - but only one of them hasn't had a new case in 17 days.malcolmg said:
So now you know better than the government and scientists on how many tracers they needCarlottaVance said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/coronavirus-scotland-despite-8500-people-22039844malcolmg said:
I assume it is going well, applications do not close till 22nd , you still have time to apply.CarlottaVance said:
How’s Contact Tracer hiring going in Scotland?malcolmg said:
Like England they imagine UK = England.CarlottaVance said:I think they actually mean the UK government "in England":
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1261981892439674881?s=20
Guernsey has already hired and trained its Contact Tracers - proportionately 50% more than the Scottish Government target.
I can confirm that Rockall met its quota long before Guernsey.
Not interested in learning from others? Fair enough.
Or do you only want to take credit for successes and deflect any blame onto London?0 -
Of course - anyone giving out money will be very popular - try it yourself on a street corner and you'll not be surprised at the initial reaction and then see what happens when you tell everyone the money has run out.CarlottaVance said:Interesting divergence in the favourability ratings:
Net Favourable : ABC1 / C2DE
Johnson: +1 / +16
Starmer: +16 / -1
Patel: -41 / -26
On the other hand:
Sunak: +37 / +29
How that fares when he starts asking for it back is another matter.....
Neither Johnson nor Sunak know what real unpopularity is - it will be making of them or the breaking of them.1 -
Yes a good few areas have so small a population that they cannot possibly give good numbers for comparison. Ayrshire would have been far more sensible with all 3 areas combined. Same for some other areas.Carnyx said:
Never seen an explanation of Inverclyde and Midlothian - it may just be chance in the distribution of early spreaders, esp. with small populations which means more stochastic fluctuation and founder effect. Midlothian at least would also tend to contain numbers of workers for ERI on those radials outward from SE Edinburgh .malcolmg said:
Yes not a great comparison , only excuse would be lesser concentration of population but a flimsy one. Strange the rates in Inverclyde and Midlothian but both have small population numbers even though similar other areas much lower.CarlottaVance said:
See my comments on Ireland.malcolmg said:
I hardly think we could learn anything from an island with 60K population , only a Tory could imagine something so bizarre. If you had said similar population small countries I could agree wholeheartedly.CarlottaVance said:MattW said:
I thought we'd buried that ludicrous comparison the other day.CarlottaVance said:
Just making the point that Guernsey has fulfilled 100% of it's target and Scotland 0%. The government's of Guernsey and Scotland face very different challenges - but only one of them hasn't had a new case in 17 days.malcolmg said:
So now you know better than the government and scientists on how many tracers they needCarlottaVance said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/coronavirus-scotland-despite-8500-people-22039844malcolmg said:
I assume it is going well, applications do not close till 22nd , you still have time to apply.CarlottaVance said:
How’s Contact Tracer hiring going in Scotland?malcolmg said:
Like England they imagine UK = England.CarlottaVance said:I think they actually mean the UK government "in England":
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1261981892439674881?s=20
Guernsey has already hired and trained its Contact Tracers - proportionately 50% more than the Scottish Government target.
I can confirm that Rockall met its quota long before Guernsey.
Not interested in learning from others? Fair enough.
Other surprise for me is more affluent south Ayrshire being higher than north Ayrshire0 -
No, I've never heard of her either but she's 55/1 if you want to chance a couple of quid:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/17/val-demings-joe-biden-vice-president-shortlist-2620660 -
Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?0 -
I'm not sure how long it will be before the UK is a "low risk" country...
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1262028381413167104?s=200 -
Haven't they heard of social distancing?CarlottaVance said:
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Who knew that the fifth horseman would be being fukking nuts?
https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1261976922424254470?s=20
'mon the immune system.
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This is going to be a huge problem for the foreseeable future, especially as hospitals return to normal levels of usage.
Up to 20% of hospital patients in England got coronavirus while in for another illness
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-191 -
Blimey.FrancisUrquhart said:This is going to be a huge problem for the foreseeable future, especially as hospitals return to normal levels of usage.
Up to 20% of hospital patients in England got coronavirus while in for another illness
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-190 -
What can one sayTheuniondivvie said:Who knew that the fifth horseman would be being fukking nuts?
https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1261976922424254470?s=20
'mon the immune system.0 -
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By 2024 we could well be is so much economic shit that Starmer will win a landslide.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?0 -
The "dirt boosts the immune system" bollocks is persistent as anti-vax. And just as stupid.Theuniondivvie said:Who knew that the fifth horseman would be being fukking nuts?
https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1261976922424254470?s=20
'mon the immune system.
Every time I see a Guardian (type) journalist sneering at the "middle class" idea of washing every day, I feel like misquoting Abe Lincoln, and wishing that cholera be visited upon them.0 -
Me like. Thanks. Worth the price of a pint.Peter_the_Punter said:No, I've never heard of her either but she's 55/1 if you want to chance a couple of quid:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/17/val-demings-joe-biden-vice-president-shortlist-2620660 -
One can definitely say - Thank God for gun control.malcolmg said:
What can one sayTheuniondivvie said:Who knew that the fifth horseman would be being fukking nuts?
https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1261976922424254470?s=20
'mon the immune system.
In America, they would have SIG516s with rails covered in all the crap and an optical sight attached backwards.0 -
Just wondering, Jon Lansman stepping down from Maomentum, but he still owns all the data right?0
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The risk of spending more than 10 minutes in a room with infected people appears to be far higher than spending 10 minutes outside with the same people.CarlottaVance said:0 -
As I said, we should have coronavirus hospitals. It's a no brainer.rottenborough said:
Blimey.FrancisUrquhart said:This is going to be a huge problem for the foreseeable future, especially as hospitals return to normal levels of usage.
Up to 20% of hospital patients in England got coronavirus while in for another illness
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-190 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANtMp7DsxTQ
Demings.
"I come before you tonight as an American Dream realised."
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Recovery plan, yes. Good ideas are welcome. Unfortunately radical and green are likely to be synonyms for total BS that would finish off the economy given the ideologies dominant in the LP at present.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?1 -
UK Biobank starts major study of coronavirus immunity
https://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk/2020/05/uk-biobank-starts-major-study-of-coronavirus-immunity-2/0 -
Brexit splits for the leadersCarlottaVance said:Interesting divergence in the favourability ratings:
Net Favourable : ABC1 / C2DE
Johnson: +1 / +16
Starmer: +16 / -1
Patel: -41 / -26
On the other hand:
Sunak: +37 / +29
How that fares when he starts asking for it back is another matter.....0 -
Good luck. I'll be kicking myself if she is selected because I looked at her a couple of weeks ago, and decided against. She scores highly on American Dream (poverty to Washington) as well as ex officio Black Struggle but as a former police chief she might run into the same sort of problems as Kamala Harris did.Peter_the_Punter said:No, I've never heard of her either but she's 55/1 if you want to chance a couple of quid:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/17/val-demings-joe-biden-vice-president-shortlist-2620660 -
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I thought there was some truth to it. When I was a child I had innumerable cuts and bruises, all dealt with my loving loving mother with witch hazel iirc. I was led to believe (possibly incorrectly) that the profusion of people who suffered allergies was a direct result of being too mollycoddled and washed inTCP 3 times a dayMalmesbury said:
The "dirt boosts the immune system" bollocks is persistent as anti-vax. And just as stupid.Theuniondivvie said:Who knew that the fifth horseman would be being fukking nuts?
https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1261976922424254470?s=20
'mon the immune system.
Every time I see a Guardian (type) journalist sneering at the "middle class" idea of washing every day, I feel like misquoting Abe Lincoln, and wishing that cholera be visited upon them.
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Nah, the backbenchers will soon be wetting themselves with glee over the No Deal crash out, so he's safe.Scott_xP said:I wonder how many letters Brady has?
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Surely it is true that you can only develop antibodies if you have been exposed to a pathogen, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions against ingesting some of themsquareroot2 said:I thought there was some truth to it. When I was a child I had innumerable cuts and bruises, all dealt with my loving loving mother with witch hazel iirc. I was led to believe (possibly incorrectly) that the profusion of people who suffered allergies was a direct result of being too mollycoddled and washed inTCP 3 times a day
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When I did look, there did not seem to be much of a buzz for her. I do not know if Politico is doing anything differently from OGH and just running through each of the possibles in turn on slow news days.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Good luck. I'll be kicking myself if she is selected because I looked at her a couple of weeks ago, and decided against. She scores highly on American Dream (poverty to Washington) as well as ex officio Black Struggle but as a former police chief she might run into the same sort of problems as Kamala Harris did.Peter_the_Punter said:No, I've never heard of her either but she's 55/1 if you want to chance a couple of quid:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/17/val-demings-joe-biden-vice-president-shortlist-2620660 -
Apparently the government would train people to plant trees and insulate buildings.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?
And this will allow the country to continue to live beyond its means.0 -
OT fish and chip shop run -- more cars about today; same number of people in the park but doing different things.0
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The return of the army of loft laggers....another_richard said:
Apparently the government would train people to plant trees and insulate buildings.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?
And this will allow the country to continue to live beyond its means.0 -
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/orlando-police-complaints-in-the-spotlight-as-african-american-ex-chief-runs-for-congress/443526/DecrepiterJohnL said:
When I did look, there did not seem to be much of a buzz for her. I do not know if Politico is doing anything differently from OGH and just running through each of the possibles in turn on slow news days.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Good luck. I'll be kicking myself if she is selected because I looked at her a couple of weeks ago, and decided against. She scores highly on American Dream (poverty to Washington) as well as ex officio Black Struggle but as a former police chief she might run into the same sort of problems as Kamala Harris did.Peter_the_Punter said:No, I've never heard of her either but she's 55/1 if you want to chance a couple of quid:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/17/val-demings-joe-biden-vice-president-shortlist-262066
Sounds as if she is relatively OK on the police issue. Kamala Harris has specific cases against her.0 -
The American Democrats have been talking about a Green New Deal for years. Is this just Labour nicking the idea or is there original thinking (asks someone too damn idle to do his own research)?FrancisUrquhart said:
The return of the army of loft laggers....another_richard said:
Apparently the government would train people to plant trees and insulate buildings.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?
And this will allow the country to continue to live beyond its means.0 -
Yes, those are really interesting. Boris srill has his new red wall supporters, but he's mislaid many of the others. Keir impresses the middle classes, but not yet others. Surprised so many people have a strong opinion about Patel one way or the other.CarlottaVance said:Interesting divergence in the favourability ratings:
Net Favourable : ABC1 / C2DE
Johnson: +1 / +16
Starmer: +16 / -1
Patel: -41 / -26
On the other hand:
Sunak: +37 / +29
How that fares when he starts asking for it back is another matter.....
On the more important Covid data, they really are starting to look quite encouraging.1 -
The science says otherwise. Among other things, people from countries where their molly coddling doesn't happen are usually much sicker on an on-going basis than those from developed countries. Allergies are just lived (or died) with.squareroot2 said:
I thought there was some truth to it. When I was a child I had innumerable cuts and bruises, all dealt with my loving loving mother with witch hazel iirc. I was led to believe (possibly incorrectly) that the profusion of people who suffered allergies was a direct result of being too mollycoddled and washed inTCP 3 times a dayMalmesbury said:
The "dirt boosts the immune system" bollocks is persistent as anti-vax. And just as stupid.Theuniondivvie said:Who knew that the fifth horseman would be being fukking nuts?
https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1261976922424254470?s=20
'mon the immune system.
Every time I see a Guardian (type) journalist sneering at the "middle class" idea of washing every day, I feel like misquoting Abe Lincoln, and wishing that cholera be visited upon them.1 -
At a football game you're spending 90+ minutes sitting next to people which though outdoors is still undercover and with people shouting, singing etc.eek said:
The risk of spending more than 10 minutes in a room with infected people appears to be far higher than spending 10 minutes outside with the same people.CarlottaVance said:
Plus the time you spend before and after inside the stand, at pubs, on public transport etc.0 -
On the COVID19 reported information - ironically, because of crap reporting so far, how many don't know about the lag in reported numbers vs infections?0
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Social distancing has never been a problem at the Orient.another_richard said:
At a football game you're spending 90+ minutes sitting next to people which though outdoors is still undercover and with people shouting, singing etc.eek said:
The risk of spending more than 10 minutes in a room with infected people appears to be far higher than spending 10 minutes outside with the same people.CarlottaVance said:
Plus the time you spend before and after inside the stand, at pubs, on public transport etc.2 -
The Brexit splits are much more pronouncedisam said:
Brexit splits for the leadersCarlottaVance said:Interesting divergence in the favourability ratings:
Net Favourable : ABC1 / C2DE
Johnson: +1 / +16
Starmer: +16 / -1
Patel: -41 / -26
On the other hand:
Sunak: +37 / +29
How that fares when he starts asking for it back is another matter.....
Net Favourable : Remain / Leave
Johnson: -33 / +56
Starmer: +40 / -18
Patel: -62 / -11
On the other hand:
Sunak: +23 / +551 -
Many people struggle with numbers generally.Malmesbury said:On the COVID19 reported information - ironically, because of crap reporting so far, how many don't know about the lag in reported numbers vs infections?
So more complications will go above their heads.0 -
James O'Brien says he doesn't think he meant it, but taking the mick out of foreign sounding names is fair game anyway, whats the fuss?CarlottaVance said:Why did the Guardian think this was clever?
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1262023800276881412?s=20
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1262030864235393024?s=200 -
Its the social disinterest that's the problem...Peter_the_Punter said:
Social distancing has never been a problem at the Orient.another_richard said:
At a football game you're spending 90+ minutes sitting next to people which though outdoors is still undercover and with people shouting, singing etc.eek said:
The risk of spending more than 10 minutes in a room with infected people appears to be far higher than spending 10 minutes outside with the same people.CarlottaVance said:
Plus the time you spend before and after inside the stand, at pubs, on public transport etc.0 -
That headline is a bit naughty. It’s 20% of COVID-19 patients in hospital rather than 20% of all hospital patients.FrancisUrquhart said:This is going to be a huge problem for the foreseeable future, especially as hospitals return to normal levels of usage.
Up to 20% of hospital patients in England got coronavirus while in for another illness
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-190 -
Fish and chip shop run fri night. No one was paying real attention to social distancing. I will not be doing that again.DecrepiterJohnL said:OT fish and chip shop run -- more cars about today; same number of people in the park but doing different things.
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https://twitter.com/twitonatrain/status/1262038985209270274
That's exactly the same time period incase it wasn't clear.0 -
The 'form' is worthless in this type of market. Laying at short prices is the best strategy but no way to make a killing.DecrepiterJohnL said:
When I did look, there did not seem to be much of a buzz for her. I do not know if Politico is doing anything differently from OGH and just running through each of the possibles in turn on slow news days.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Good luck. I'll be kicking myself if she is selected because I looked at her a couple of weeks ago, and decided against. She scores highly on American Dream (poverty to Washington) as well as ex officio Black Struggle but as a former police chief she might run into the same sort of problems as Kamala Harris did.Peter_the_Punter said:No, I've never heard of her either but she's 55/1 if you want to chance a couple of quid:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/17/val-demings-joe-biden-vice-president-shortlist-2620660 -
It will be very complicated to sustain the narrative some people want if the numbers insist on heading south.another_richard said:
Many people struggle with numbers generally.Malmesbury said:On the COVID19 reported information - ironically, because of crap reporting so far, how many don't know about the lag in reported numbers vs infections?
So more complications will go above their heads.0 -
Obama is perhaps the only person who could persuade Biden that if he is the candidate, he will lose to Trump.
Obama is perhaps the only person who could persuade Michelle to run.0 -
This one says it's on a plateau (three days ago mind)Alistair said:https://twitter.com/twitonatrain/status/1262038985209270274
That's exactly the same time period incase it wasn't clear.
https://twitter.com/pwyowell/status/1260908082244321280?s=200 -
eek said:
The risk of spending more than 10 minutes in a room with infected people appears to be far higher than spending 10 minutes outside with the same people.CarlottaVance said:
Yes, but 90 minutes with people cheering and shouting may not be non-trivial. Did anyone ever find that "Cheltenham Races Hotspot"? Goodness knows there must have been enough people looking for it....0 -
Anecdotally it has always seemed true that the best way to get ill is to go to hospital, especially in winter when ward after ward of ill people would be closed to everyone apart from patients because of the outbreak of some devastating scourge. Chap I knew now long dead went in for knee surgery and came out minus one testicle because of a hospital acquired infection. Put me off being ill quite a bit. Multiply that by a few million and I think you have a problem. The media give loads of coverage to great treatment at St Thomas's, UCH, Barts, Brompton, GOS etc, and slightly less to minor and unglamorous provincial places where some ungreat stuff happens.Luckyguy1983 said:
As I said, we should have coronavirus hospitals. It's a no brainer.rottenborough said:
Blimey.FrancisUrquhart said:This is going to be a huge problem for the foreseeable future, especially as hospitals return to normal levels of usage.
Up to 20% of hospital patients in England got coronavirus while in for another illness
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19
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Isn't that what the Nightingales are for?Luckyguy1983 said:
As I said, we should have coronavirus hospitals. It's a no brainer.rottenborough said:
Blimey.FrancisUrquhart said:This is going to be a huge problem for the foreseeable future, especially as hospitals return to normal levels of usage.
Up to 20% of hospital patients in England got coronavirus while in for another illness
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19
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Last time I went I phoned to see when the match was due to start. They asked me what time I could make it.squareroot2 said:
Its the social disinterest that's the problem...Peter_the_Punter said:
Social distancing has never been a problem at the Orient.another_richard said:
At a football game you're spending 90+ minutes sitting next to people which though outdoors is still undercover and with people shouting, singing etc.eek said:
The risk of spending more than 10 minutes in a room with infected people appears to be far higher than spending 10 minutes outside with the same people.CarlottaVance said:
Plus the time you spend before and after inside the stand, at pubs, on public transport etc.0 -
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1261986981438988293?s=20isam said:
James O'Brien says he doesn't think he meant it, but taking the mick out of foreign sounding names is fair game anyway, whats the fuss?CarlottaVance said:Why did the Guardian think this was clever?
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1262023800276881412?s=20
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1262030864235393024?s=20
https://twitter.com/DanielKorski/status/1262021419225006080?s=200 -
Judging from what I heard on the radio this morning I would estimate that 75% of teachers and others involved in education are unaware. I kept thinking "that's from weeks ago, what matters is what's happening in early June".Malmesbury said:On the COVID19 reported information - ironically, because of crap reporting so far, how many don't know about the lag in reported numbers vs infections?
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Yes, as TSE implies in the header, when the nominee is announced, probably most of us will ask who? Unless it really is Michelle Obama.Peter_the_Punter said:
The 'form' is worthless in this type of market. Laying at short prices is the best strategy but no way to make a killing.DecrepiterJohnL said:
When I did look, there did not seem to be much of a buzz for her. I do not know if Politico is doing anything differently from OGH and just running through each of the possibles in turn on slow news days.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Good luck. I'll be kicking myself if she is selected because I looked at her a couple of weeks ago, and decided against. She scores highly on American Dream (poverty to Washington) as well as ex officio Black Struggle but as a former police chief she might run into the same sort of problems as Kamala Harris did.Peter_the_Punter said:No, I've never heard of her either but she's 55/1 if you want to chance a couple of quid:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/17/val-demings-joe-biden-vice-president-shortlist-262066 0 -
Thank goodness there are no confounders to be sorted out if we are going to settle this on a rich country vs poor country comparison. The hygiene hypothesis is perfectly serious science (as in, discussed by proper scientists in proper journals) whether it is true or not. And one should always be wary of appeals to "*the* science".Malmesbury said:
The science says otherwise. Among other things, people from countries where their molly coddling doesn't happen are usually much sicker on an on-going basis than those from developed countries. Allergies are just lived (or died) with.squareroot2 said:
I thought there was some truth to it. When I was a child I had innumerable cuts and bruises, all dealt with my loving loving mother with witch hazel iirc. I was led to believe (possibly incorrectly) that the profusion of people who suffered allergies was a direct result of being too mollycoddled and washed inTCP 3 times a dayMalmesbury said:
The "dirt boosts the immune system" bollocks is persistent as anti-vax. And just as stupid.Theuniondivvie said:Who knew that the fifth horseman would be being fukking nuts?
https://twitter.com/ropoem/status/1261976922424254470?s=20
'mon the immune system.
Every time I see a Guardian (type) journalist sneering at the "middle class" idea of washing every day, I feel like misquoting Abe Lincoln, and wishing that cholera be visited upon them.0 -
Yet the shagger models told us that Sweden should be on an exponential upward curve right now, and the UK is doing a lot worse. So it seems like this is a wilful attempt to mislead / participate in Project Middle Class WFH.Alistair said:https://twitter.com/twitonatrain/status/1262038985209270274
That's exactly the same time period incase it wasn't clear.0 -
My guess is 90%. The headline numbers are the ones that get the attention.Malmesbury said:On the COVID19 reported information - ironically, because of crap reporting so far, how many don't know about the lag in reported numbers vs infections?
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I'll be crying like a disgraced televangelist if Biden picks Michelle Obama.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes, as TSE implies in the header, when the nominee is announced, probably most of us will ask who? Unless it really is Michelle Obama.Peter_the_Punter said:
The 'form' is worthless in this type of market. Laying at short prices is the best strategy but no way to make a killing.DecrepiterJohnL said:
When I did look, there did not seem to be much of a buzz for her. I do not know if Politico is doing anything differently from OGH and just running through each of the possibles in turn on slow news days.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Good luck. I'll be kicking myself if she is selected because I looked at her a couple of weeks ago, and decided against. She scores highly on American Dream (poverty to Washington) as well as ex officio Black Struggle but as a former police chief she might run into the same sort of problems as Kamala Harris did.Peter_the_Punter said:No, I've never heard of her either but she's 55/1 if you want to chance a couple of quid:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/17/val-demings-joe-biden-vice-president-shortlist-2620660 -
The Tories these days don't tend to have ideas - so the burden falls upon others.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?0 -
Not as I understand it. Nightingale hospitals are facilities for unconscious patients on ventilators. I'm assuming that less sick patients need other facilities (e.g. lots of loos, catering) that Nightingales aren't set up to provide. But I might be wrong about that.tyson said:
Isn't that what the Nightingales are for?Luckyguy1983 said:
As I said, we should have coronavirus hospitals. It's a no brainer.rottenborough said:
Blimey.FrancisUrquhart said:This is going to be a huge problem for the foreseeable future, especially as hospitals return to normal levels of usage.
Up to 20% of hospital patients in England got coronavirus while in for another illness
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19
If I'm correct then the only way the NHS is going to properly segregate the remaining Covid-19 cases, as the total number of patients falls, is to designate a certain number of hospitals to look after them and keep them away from others. The establishment of Covid-free hospitals might help to encourage more frightened patients to turn up for their appointments.0 -
I thought it was one of those English names actually!CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1261986981438988293?s=20isam said:
James O'Brien says he doesn't think he meant it, but taking the mick out of foreign sounding names is fair game anyway, whats the fuss?CarlottaVance said:Why did the Guardian think this was clever?
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1262023800276881412?s=20
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1262030864235393024?s=20
https://twitter.com/DanielKorski/status/1262021419225006080?s=20
FPT by the way - you never did explain who King John was/is please ...?0 -
Yes, leading indicators (new ICU cases, current ICU cases) suggests deaths should start heading down again soon.isam said:
This one says it's on a plateau (three days ago mind)Alistair said:https://twitter.com/twitonatrain/status/1262038985209270274
That's exactly the same time period incase it wasn't clear.
https://twitter.com/pwyowell/status/1260908082244321280?s=200 -
Golly. I am all for pointing at lefty anti-semites and laughing, but I haven't seen a weaker claim than this. It is a completely pathetic "Foreign names are hilarious, especially when they accidentally contain proper English words" gag, but who knew Tugendhat was a Jewish name, if it is?CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1261986981438988293?s=20isam said:
James O'Brien says he doesn't think he meant it, but taking the mick out of foreign sounding names is fair game anyway, whats the fuss?CarlottaVance said:Why did the Guardian think this was clever?
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1262023800276881412?s=20
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1262030864235393024?s=20
https://twitter.com/DanielKorski/status/1262021419225006080?s=200 -
Clippers ordered.
Time for the lockdown Showaddywaddy look to go...0 -
Isn't much of this just the gibberish from Richard Murphy warmed-over a little?NorthofStoke said:
Recovery plan, yes. Good ideas are welcome. Unfortunately radical and green are likely to be synonyms for total BS that would finish off the economy given the ideologies dominant in the LP at present.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?0 -
The point is that if it were in a right wing paper and the butt of the joke were a left winger's foreign sounding name, I think O'Brien would be up in arms.IshmaelZ said:
Golly. I am all for pointing at lefty anti-semites and laughing, but I haven't seen a weaker claim than this. It is a completely pathetic "Foreign names are hilarious, especially when they accidentally contain proper English words" gag, but who knew Tugendhat was a Jewish name, if it is?CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1261986981438988293?s=20isam said:
James O'Brien says he doesn't think he meant it, but taking the mick out of foreign sounding names is fair game anyway, whats the fuss?CarlottaVance said:Why did the Guardian think this was clever?
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1262023800276881412?s=20
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1262030864235393024?s=20
https://twitter.com/DanielKorski/status/1262021419225006080?s=20
We frequently see such double standards on here.
I was told that Boris "literally just said" 'People of Colour', in a sentence that confirmed his White Supremacism, by someone who is now warning Tory MPs to expect to be done for libelling Keir Starmer because they fell for fake news the same as he did!0 -
A headline from the Guardian which consists of a lie?tlg86 said:
That headline is a bit naughty. It’s 20% of COVID-19 patients in hospital rather than 20% of all hospital patients.FrancisUrquhart said:This is going to be a huge problem for the foreseeable future, especially as hospitals return to normal levels of usage.
Up to 20% of hospital patients in England got coronavirus while in for another illness
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19
It must be a day with D in it.
(Forgive my contempt; they deserve it.)0 -
When I get to that stage, I rather think I am going to follow the advice of @AlistairM and take the whole lot off, including the no longer convincing combover.MattW said:Clippers ordered.
Time for the lockdown Showaddywaddy look to go...0 -
MattW said:
Isn't much of this just the gibberish from Richard Murphy warmed-over a little?NorthofStoke said:
Recovery plan, yes. Good ideas are welcome. Unfortunately radical and green are likely to be synonyms for total BS that would finish off the economy given the ideologies dominant in the LP at present.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?
Imagine that someone wrote an article in the Daily Mail, using the comic possibilities of the name of (say) a Muslim advisor to Lord Keith Starmer?IshmaelZ said:
Golly. I am all for pointing at lefty anti-semites and laughing, but I haven't seen a weaker claim than this. It is a completely pathetic "Foreign names are hilarious, especially when they accidentally contain proper English words" gag, but who knew Tugendhat was a Jewish name, if it is?CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1261986981438988293?s=20isam said:
James O'Brien says he doesn't think he meant it, but taking the mick out of foreign sounding names is fair game anyway, whats the fuss?CarlottaVance said:Why did the Guardian think this was clever?
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1262023800276881412?s=20
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1262030864235393024?s=20
https://twitter.com/DanielKorski/status/1262021419225006080?s=20
I always find it a reasonable measure to rotate such things through a sequence of alternates (replace religions, political allegiance etc etc) - if it causes offence in one case, it should cause offence in all.0 -
UK deaths are falling rapidly.EPG said:
Yet the shagger models told us that Sweden should be on an exponential upward curve right now, and the UK is doing a lot worse. So it seems like this is a wilful attempt to mislead / participate in Project Middle Class WFH.Alistair said:https://twitter.com/twitonatrain/status/1262038985209270274
That's exactly the same time period incase it wasn't clear.
Sweden's cases are not.0 -
I wouldn’t have known that Tugendhat was a Jewish name TBH. Do most people?0
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I have now read this post thrice and still don’t understand it!!EPG said:
Yet the shagger models told us that Sweden should be on an exponential upward curve right now, and the UK is doing a lot worse. So it seems like this is a wilful attempt to mislead / participate in Project Middle Class WFH.Alistair said:https://twitter.com/twitonatrain/status/1262038985209270274
That's exactly the same time period incase it wasn't clear.0 -
And more to the point, would Lee would have done anything differently if he had known? My biggest problem with Lee is that he stopped being funny many years ago.Anabobazina said:I wouldn’t have known that Tugendhat was a Jewish name TBH. Do most people?
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Looks like the virus might be burning itself out.
I know that sounds stupidly optimistic, but the data we have seems to show that...0 -
FWIW, the news from the Govt briefing (which I'm watching a few minutes behind) is that the Oxford vaccine group have signed a global licencing agreement with AstraZeneca and are ramping up another couple of gears on production.
Basically if they get it right and this thing works then they think they'll have enough doses to vaccinated 30m people in Britain by September. That would be more than sufficient to over the whole NHS, the teachers, the shielded group and all the pensioners, which would effectively finish this damned thing off.
I'm filing this news in the "too good to be true" drawer - but it would be nice to think that it could just happen... I've had a very nice afternoon out (the weather is beautiful today) so I'm feeling a bit less shit than I did this morning. So, we shall see.3 -
Given population density why would you compare Sweden with the UK rather than Denmark or Norway?EPG said:
Yet the shagger models told us that Sweden should be on an exponential upward curve right now, and the UK is doing a lot worse. So it seems like this is a wilful attempt to mislead / participate in Project Middle Class WFH.Alistair said:https://twitter.com/twitonatrain/status/1262038985209270274
That's exactly the same time period incase it wasn't clear.
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Tugendhat is a pretty rare name everywhere. 162 in the world, 44 of whom are in Ecuador. France has 18 so the most common in Europe. 11 in the UK.IshmaelZ said:
Golly. I am all for pointing at lefty anti-semites and laughing, but I haven't seen a weaker claim than this. It is a completely pathetic "Foreign names are hilarious, especially when they accidentally contain proper English words" gag, but who knew Tugendhat was a Jewish name, if it is?CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1261986981438988293?s=20isam said:
James O'Brien says he doesn't think he meant it, but taking the mick out of foreign sounding names is fair game anyway, whats the fuss?CarlottaVance said:Why did the Guardian think this was clever?
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1262023800276881412?s=20
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1262030864235393024?s=20
https://twitter.com/DanielKorski/status/1262021419225006080?s=20
https://forebears.io/surnames/tugendhat
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Mustapha Kunt is the paradigm example, and again there is nothing inherently anti muslim in the joke. Mainstream muslim names are problematic because they all seem to be named after the Prophet pbuh and ridiculing the name is probably tantamount to ridiculing the Prophet and therefore a suicide bombing offence. But if you asked me where the name Tugendhat came from, I'd probably say Scandinavia or the Low Countries.Malmesbury said:MattW said:
Isn't much of this just the gibberish from Richard Murphy warmed-over a little?NorthofStoke said:
Recovery plan, yes. Good ideas are welcome. Unfortunately radical and green are likely to be synonyms for total BS that would finish off the economy given the ideologies dominant in the LP at present.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour is drawing up ambitious proposals to rescue the post-coronavirus economy with a radical green recovery plan focused on helping young people who lose their jobs by retraining them in green industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
Has anybody told them they lost the GE?
Imagine that someone wrote an article in the Daily Mail, using the comic possibilities of the name of (say) a Muslim advisor to Lord Keith Starmer?IshmaelZ said:
Golly. I am all for pointing at lefty anti-semites and laughing, but I haven't seen a weaker claim than this. It is a completely pathetic "Foreign names are hilarious, especially when they accidentally contain proper English words" gag, but who knew Tugendhat was a Jewish name, if it is?CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1261986981438988293?s=20isam said:
James O'Brien says he doesn't think he meant it, but taking the mick out of foreign sounding names is fair game anyway, whats the fuss?CarlottaVance said:Why did the Guardian think this was clever?
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1262023800276881412?s=20
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1262030864235393024?s=20
https://twitter.com/DanielKorski/status/1262021419225006080?s=20
I always find it a reasonable measure to rotate such things through a sequence of alternates (replace religions, political allegiance etc etc) - if it causes offence in one case, it should cause offence in all.0
