Besides, crime is falling. Despite the police figures' cr@pness, everything points to a long-term and sustained fall in crime. Rather embarrassingly for those scared of immigrants, that also includes the period after accession.
everything points to the political class being perfectly willing to lie through their teeth about crime
I'd like to know how the 'political class' are massaging the official police figures, the crime survey, and NHS admissions to show the same story of decreasing crime.
I could believe one, and possible two at a stretch. But the NHS figures as well...
You almost seem to be wanting crime to be going up. Why is that?
"everything points to a long-term and sustained fall in crime"
Why do you ignore clear evidence that the crime stats are leaving stuff out?
I am not ignoring it. Far from, in fact.
So why are you ignoring clear and obvious data showing that crime is falling? I know you have a rather unhealthy obsession with gang crime, but that is not all crime.
The fact is, crime is falling, and has been since before the accession of the eastern European states. The reasons for this would be interesting to understand (in fact, why crime has decreased during the recession as well), but it won't be down to massive fiddling of the figures to the extent that the fall was in fact a rise.
Don't make me send you the tinfoil-hat making instructions again...
You are plainly ignoring it. You say
"everything points to a long-term and sustained fall in crime"
and yet there is clear evidence that large chunks of crime are being ignored in the same way the grooming gangs were ignored.
Investigated doesn't equal tried. Don't let Eck send you for his curry - he'll ask for 2 kormas and you'll come back with 2 phalls.
Dear dear Flash , you try to deflect from UK being war criminals with your unhealthy fixation of Mr Salmond. You and Scott would make a right pair of matching Wally Dugs.
Malc wrong on fishing and utterly wrong on war crimes.
Too much Buckie ?
Flash is down and out and resorting to stereotypes. I am more champagne or Malt Whisky type than Buckie. You should not reflect your self on others. Keep up the whining.
Your sense of humour is legendary, Mr G.. Probably best not push it too far, though.
No smoke without fire Hurst , we are plumbing the depths as a country on all fronts. The UK is not a shining example on any front these days.
PS Very concerning article , that the country has reached being investigated, recent other cases re Iraq , etc , very worrying.
No smoke without fire is the same as saying guilty until proved innocent. Which is no way for anyone who professes civilisation to behave. Also it's a preliminary investigation, they will only launch a full investigation if they conclude we can't put our house in order. Possible but extremely unlikely in my view.
I don't know about Iraq but I'd have thought the ICC investigating any possible New Labour involvement in rendition would be the easy route to go on that.
Your sense of humour is legendary, Mr G.. Probably best not push it too far, though.
No smoke without fire Hurst , we are plumbing the depths as a country on all fronts. The UK is not a shining example on any front these days.
PS Very concerning article , that the country has reached being investigated, recent other cases re Iraq , etc , very worrying.
No smoke without fire is the same as saying guilty until proved innocent. Which is no way for anyone who professes civilisation to behave. Also it's a preliminary investigation, they will only launch a full investigation if they conclude we can't put our house in order. Possible but extremely unlikely in my view.
Extreme Nationalist regimes aren't always the best for due process...
Mr. Briskin, most F1 is unpredictable, Monaco's probably amongst the more predictable. It's a processional, tedious circuit that should be consigned to the dustbin of history. That Monaco is bulletproof and Spa is in doubt speaks of how crackers the sport can be.
Its glamorous though, plus you might occasionally glimpse a bikini clad minx or two
I'm convinced that those two girls in barely there yellow bikinis have been lying on that balcony every year since 1961
I don't know about Iraq but I'd have thought the ICC investigating any possible New Labour involvement in rendition would be the easy route to go on that.
Would these 'rendition flights' be the same ones Home Secretary David Miliband has already apologised for?
FFS - Malt Whisky reference - when was the last time you bought that in a pub?
If I buy whisky in the pub which I do not do on a regular basis , I would always buy a malt. At home I only drink Malt but again not on regular basis, though if given a blend as a gift I would still enjoy it. Nowadays beer or wine and rarely in large quantities. If I stick to beer I am up all night. I may sound like Mr Angry on here but am very fortunate , a rough diamond.
Your sense of humour is legendary, Mr G.. Probably best not push it too far, though.
No smoke without fire Hurst , we are plumbing the depths as a country on all fronts. The UK is not a shining example on any front these days.
PS Very concerning article , that the country has reached being investigated, recent other cases re Iraq , etc , very worrying.
No smoke without fire is the same as saying guilty until proved innocent. Which is no way for anyone who professes civilisation to behave. Also it's a preliminary investigation, they will only launch a full investigation if they conclude we can't put our house in order. Possible but extremely unlikely in my view.
Extreme Nationalist regimes aren't always the best for due process...
The CONS have just overtaken LAB in two polls. So, why have the constituency markets not shifted one iota?
It obviously takes time for people to react.
I mentioned earlier today that the odds in Bedford have remained the same as before. Tories are still 2/1. I placed a small bet on them just now due to yesterday's polls.
That's a decent bet, Andy. I also like Cameron as next prime minister at better than even money. The trouble with all of these bets is that you have to tie up your money for a year.
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
Europe wide poll undertaken by American researchers
Funny enough the same sentiment to immigration is prevalent acroos the continent.
Quelle surprise
"Attitudes toward immigrants and minority groups will also shape the public mood in the run up to the parliamentary election. A median of 55% wants to limit immigration. This includes particularly strong anti-immigrant sentiment in Greece (86%) and Italy (80%). A median of 52% in European countries we surveyed say immigrants are a burden because they take jobs and social benefits, 48% complain they want to be distinct from the local society, and 36% say they are to blame for crime."
Europe wide poll undertaken by American researchers
Funny enough the same sentiment to immigration is prevalent acroos the continent.
Quelle surprise
"Attitudes toward immigrants and minority groups will also shape the public mood in the run up to the parliamentary election. A median of 55% wants to limit immigration. This includes particularly strong anti-immigrant sentiment in Greece (86%) and Italy (80%). A median of 52% in European countries we surveyed say immigrants are a burden because they take jobs and social benefits, 48% complain they want to be distinct from the local society, and 36% say they are to blame for crime."
Investigated doesn't equal tried. Don't let Eck send you for his curry - he'll ask for 2 kormas and you'll come back with 2 phalls.
UK being war criminals
wow!
Judge, jury, verdict!
That was quick!
I guess "due process" will not figure highly in Separate Scotland?
Er, Ms Vance,
Lets see now, closure of local Courts, armed police as standard, centralisaton of administration of fire, ambulance and coastguard, changes to legal safeguards - all done to cut costs, improve efficiency and see the disappearing act of the relevant minister when things go pearshape.
Watch in awe when our beloved FM stands up in Holyrood to give total confidence in the minister concerned,. Gasp in wonder when Ms Sturgeon has to apologice for the FM again.
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
Monaco is a funny place. The casino is really good, very reasonably priced for what it is and, after about 11pm, has the atmosphere of a James Bond novel, with glamorous women from all over the world playing the tables. Nobody drinks at the tables, which I found bizarre.
The public beach is tiny and uninspiring, although I did encounter a girl in a gold bikini and good stilettos popping down for a brief dip.
Even the most blinkered of Tories will find that tortuous - if not for the content and sentiment, but the concept and delivery.
I disagree entirely. Not that it was a great piece by any means, and though I think Hodges is a decent writer I often wildly disagree with his conclusions (nor, as a non-Tory, do I find those conclusions as automatically cheering to hear on most occasions), but I appreciate that he at least tried to mix up how he makes the same point he's been making day in day out for years. Needs work and polish if he is to try his hand at such delivery again, but it wasn't hard to get through.
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
They are raiding the graveyards to get a team together. Labour to field a bunch of losers. Darling loser and invisible Brown loser and invisible Lamont loser and invisible Alexander multiple loser and invisible Murphy loser and invisible Roy loser and invisible
Monaco is a funny place. The casino is really good, very reasonably priced for what it is and, after about 11pm, has the atmosphere of a James Bond novel, with glamorous women from all over the world playing the tables. Nobody drinks at the tables, which I found bizarre.
The public beach is tiny and uninspiring, although I did encounter a girl in a gold bikini and good stilettos popping down for a brief dip.
The rest of the country is entirely forgettable.
There isn't much of the rest of the country. The train station is impressively cavernous and lunch in the Cafe de Paris is expensive but worthwhile. However it is a place for a day trip more than an extended stay, but there are plenty of other places along that stretch of Coast which are amazing. Favourite part of France.
Well you're better than me Boba, for I have not been to Monaco - may I ask your age out of interest.
Just because I have been to Monaco (not for the GP I should stress) does not make me better than you! My age remains between me and my birth certificate
The money is coming in now at a good clip, and from a far greater variety of sources than the Yes camp's reliance on lottery millionaires
At least YES only take money from people who have a vote in the referendum. NO camp take it from anyone from anywhere. Sour grapes that the NO billionaires and millionaires are too tight to contribute.
"The current immigration policy is biased and unfair because everyone is subordinate to Europeans. We have nothing more in common with someone from Bulgaria than we do with someone from Africa or South America or Asia.
“It makes me angry that my grandparents had to work so hard to come over whereas now people just arrive. I’m not saying that all EU immigrants sponge off the State, but they have the opportunity to use our services.”"
Well you're better than me Boba, for I have not been to Monaco - may I ask your age out of interest.
Just because I have been to Monaco (not for the GP I should stress) does not make me better than you! My age remains between me and my birth certificate
I have driven through it a dump , blink and you have missed it.
They are raiding the graveyards to get a team together. Labour to field a bunch of losers. Darling loser and invisible Brown loser and invisible Lamont loser and invisible Alexander multiple loser and invisible Murphy loser and invisible Roy loser and invisible
They are raiding the graveyards to get a team together. Labour to field a bunch of losers. Darling loser and invisible Brown loser and invisible Lamont loser and invisible Alexander multiple loser and invisible Murphy loser and invisible Roy loser and invisible
God help us.
I'm no expert on Scottish matters but it seems to me highly implausible that everyone on one side is magnificent and everyone on the other is hopeless. It quite simply lacks credibility.
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
Yawn.
Speaking of yawns
Hi Sam,
I'm not sure I've ever said that you're wrong on immigration (although I might be wrong on that). I believe there are issues to do with mass immigration, in particular the effect mass immigration into small areas has on local services.
My main issue is that I'm not sure that you've thought of potential issues with UKIP's position on it, and the intended and unintended consequences it might have.
This may not be true, or fair, but it is how I feel.
Please remember, I'm married to an out-of-EU immigrant (although naturalised), and work with many immigrants and people of other nationalities. Now whilst this is not 'mass immigration', some people I talk to are becoming quite fearful of some of the rhetoric (to be fair not just from UKIP) about immigration and especially Islam. I see this frequently, and it is a problem.
As for the tone of my messages: I post from work, and my work involves a certain tone of language and rigidity of mind and perniticky computer-style logic. Maybe that comes across too readily. I'm glad you're on PB to offset us public schoolboys, who are rather overrepresented. ;-)
Anyway, I thought I'd take this onto a PM. Hopefully this may help you understand where I'm coming from.
They are raiding the graveyards to get a team together. Labour to field a bunch of losers. Darling loser and invisible Brown loser and invisible Lamont loser and invisible Alexander multiple loser and invisible Murphy loser and invisible Roy loser and invisible
God help us.
if this is the case, why isn't it 90:10 to Yes?
Rather than 56:44 to No?
Where did you get your imaginary numbers from this time.
If too many tweets, make you a twxx, do too many slogans make you a slug?
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The money is coming in now at a good clip, and from a far greater variety of sources than the Yes camp's reliance on lottery millionaires
At least YES only take money from people who have a vote in the referendum. NO camp take it from anyone from anywhere. Sour grapes that the NO billionaires and millionaires are too tight to contribute.
80% of Yes money from Euro Millions.......two thirds the number of small donors as "No".......the two largest No donors investors in Whisky and Harris Tweed (the latter in an SNP constituency, yet routinely denounced by the SNP as a bad'un.....)
They are raiding the graveyards to get a team together. Labour to field a bunch of losers. Darling loser and invisible Brown loser and invisible Lamont loser and invisible Alexander multiple loser and invisible Murphy loser and invisible Roy loser and invisible
God help us.
I'm no expert on Scottish matters but it seems to me highly implausible that everyone on one side is magnificent and everyone on the other is hopeless. It quite simply lacks credibility.
I confess this is why I find the Scottish referendum hard to judge (though I still believe Yes will win), as the message discipline is generally so strong that, for example, anything Cameron and co do or say is clearly a hopeless, laughable failure which will lead to oodles of more Yes votes. Simply by chance it seems likely that occasionally they might do something which is at the least not laughably bad, but that never seems to be the case, supposedly
They are raiding the graveyards to get a team together. Labour to field a bunch of losers. Darling loser and invisible Brown loser and invisible Lamont loser and invisible Alexander multiple loser and invisible Murphy loser and invisible Roy loser and invisible
God help us.
I'm no expert on Scottish matters but it seems to me highly implausible that everyone on one side is magnificent and everyone on the other is hopeless. It quite simply lacks credibility.
Where did I say everybody on the other side was magnificent. I merely pointed out the Labour names mentioned are all losers who should have been put out to grass long ago.
I'm amazed more people haven't been to the casino, which is just about as memorable as you can get for a relatively small fee. I went a few years ago but IIRC the entry fee was only ~€10. You can take a few chips and eek them out. There's a little bar too which isn't noticeably dearer than the west end, so you can genuinely do it for £50ish, if you want.
Repeatedly calling someone a scared, pathetic liar when theyve explained that they arent lying and that the respondent has merely misunderstood a joke calls for a low blow back
The money is coming in now at a good clip, and from a far greater variety of sources than the Yes camp's reliance on lottery millionaires
At least YES only take money from people who have a vote in the referendum. NO camp take it from anyone from anywhere. Sour grapes that the NO billionaires and millionaires are too tight to contribute.
Not having a vote is not the same as not having an interest. I have an interest in this despite not having a vote because Scotland is part of my country the United Kingdom, and Scottish heritage is as much part of my identity as it is of anyone born north of Berwick. It is right the decision on their future is reserved to Scotland but to pretend that it isn't something that anyone outside Scotland should have a stake in or a view on is the most unattractive part of the Yes side.
The money is coming in now at a good clip, and from a far greater variety of sources than the Yes camp's reliance on lottery millionaires
At least YES only take money from people who have a vote in the referendum. NO camp take it from anyone from anywhere. Sour grapes that the NO billionaires and millionaires are too tight to contribute.
80% of Yes money from Euro Millions.......two thirds the number of small donors as "No".......the two largest No donors investors in Whisky and Harris Tweed (the latter in an SNP constituency, yet routinely denounced by the SNP as a bad'un.....)
They are raiding the graveyards to get a team together. Labour to field a bunch of losers. Darling loser and invisible Brown loser and invisible Lamont loser and invisible Alexander multiple loser and invisible Murphy loser and invisible Roy loser and invisible
God help us.
if this is the case, why isn't it 90:10 to Yes?
Rather than 56:44 to No?
Where did you get your imaginary numbers from this time.
Now, if I was the SNP I would claim that i didn't have to publish my evidence, and spend a fortune in legal bills defending that right, especially if it didn't exist.....
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
Yawn.
Speaking of yawns
(snip)
Sam, that's out of order. I sent it as a PM because I didn't want it broadcasting.
The money is coming in now at a good clip, and from a far greater variety of sources than the Yes camp's reliance on lottery millionaires
At least YES only take money from people who have a vote in the referendum. NO camp take it from anyone from anywhere. Sour grapes that the NO billionaires and millionaires are too tight to contribute.
Not having a vote is not the same as not having an interest. I have an interest in this despite not having a vote because Scotland is part of my country the United Kingdom, and Scottish heritage is as much part of my identity as it is of anyone born north of Berwick. It is right the decision on their future is reserved to Scotland but to pretend that it isn't something that anyone outside Scotland should have a stake in or a view on is the most unattractive part of the Yes side.
Jim, get off your high horse. I was talking about where donations come from. Nobody said you did not have a right to be interested or have an opinion. However Carlotta crowing about NO donations when they take them from anyone , ie 65 million in UK alone as opposed to YES who limit to only people with a vote in the referendum is very sad and vicious. She does not berate all the billionaire and millionaire unionists for not supporting NO , in other words an arse.
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
Yawn.
Speaking of yawns
(snip)
Sam, that's out of order. I sent it as a PM because I didn't want it broadcasting.
Tough.
You accused me of something I didnt do, called me a liar when I explained why I had posted what I did, "scared and pathetic" when I tried to explain again, then started writing "yawn" when I tried to defuse the situation for a fourth and fifth time...
...all because you couldnt admit you had misinterpreted a joke
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
Yawn.
Speaking of yawns
(snip)
Sam, that's out of order. I sent it as a PM because I didn't want it broadcasting.
Tough.
You accused me of something I didnt do, called me a liar when I explained why I had posted what I did, "scared and pathetic" when I tried to explain again, then started writing "yawn" when I tried to defuse the situation for a fourth and fifth time...
...all because you couldnt admit you had misinterptreted a joke
Again, yawn. May I suggest you read your original post again?
All you've done tonight is show that you can't be trusted with PM's.
The money is coming in now at a good clip, and from a far greater variety of sources than the Yes camp's reliance on lottery millionaires
At least YES only take money from people who have a vote in the referendum. NO camp take it from anyone from anywhere. Sour grapes that the NO billionaires and millionaires are too tight to contribute.
Not having a vote is not the same as not having an interest. I have an interest in this despite not having a vote because Scotland is part of my country the United Kingdom, and Scottish heritage is as much part of my identity as it is of anyone born north of Berwick. It is right the decision on their future is reserved to Scotland but to pretend that it isn't something that anyone outside Scotland should have a stake in or a view on is the most unattractive part of the Yes side.
Jim, get off your high horse. I was talking about where donations come from. Nobody said you did not have a right to be interested or have an opinion. However Carlotta crowing about NO donations when they take them from anyone , ie 65 million in UK alone as opposed to YES who limit to only people with a vote in the referendum is very sad and vicious. She does not berate all the billionaire and millionaire unionists for not supporting NO , in other words an arse.
Since you are talking out of your derrière it's a bit muffled by you being on your own high horse - YESNP's fig leaf of "only accepting money from voters" is blown away by 80% of it coming from lottery players across Europe!
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
Yawn.
Speaking of yawns
(snip)
Sam, that's out of order. I sent it as a PM because I didn't want it broadcasting.
Tough.
You accused me of something I didnt do, called me a liar when I explained why I had posted what I did, "scared and pathetic" when I tried to explain again, then started writing "yawn" when I tried to defuse the situation for a fourth and fifth time...
...all because you couldnt admit you had misinterptreted a joke
Again, yawn. May I suggest you read your original post again?
All you've done tonight is show that you can't be trusted with PM's.
I linked to a Mail story about Romanian thieves and said "There's UKIP's next PPB"
It was a joke, I was being sarcastic, ribbing UKIP for being obsessed about Romanian crime. Maybe sarcasm didnt come across online, but you should have accepted my word.
You are embarrassed because you jumped the gun, I would be if I were you too, I understand.
But no more boring emails please, I am genuinely not interested in your personal life
They are raiding the graveyards to get a team together. Labour to field a bunch of losers. Darling loser and invisible Brown loser and invisible Lamont loser and invisible Alexander multiple loser and invisible Murphy loser and invisible Roy loser and invisible
God help us.
if this is the case, why isn't it 90:10 to Yes?
Rather than 56:44 to No?
No is winning is spite of the dire Labour team, not because of it.
The money is coming in now at a good clip, and from a far greater variety of sources than the Yes camp's reliance on lottery millionaires
At least YES only take money from people who have a vote in the referendum. NO camp take it from anyone from anywhere. Sour grapes that the NO billionaires and millionaires are too tight to contribute.
Not having a vote is not the same as not having an interest. I have an interest in this despite not having a vote because Scotland is part of my country the United Kingdom, and Scottish heritage is as much part of my identity as it is of anyone born north of Berwick. It is right the decision on their future is reserved to Scotland but to pretend that it isn't something that anyone outside Scotland should have a stake in or a view on is the most unattractive part of the Yes side.
Jim, get off your high horse. I was talking about where donations come from. Nobody said you did not have a right to be interested or have an opinion. However Carlotta crowing about NO donations when they take them from anyone , ie 65 million in UK alone as opposed to YES who limit to only people with a vote in the referendum is very sad and vicious. She does not berate all the billionaire and millionaire unionists for not supporting NO , in other words an arse.
Since you are talking out of your derrière it's a bit muffled by you being on your high horse - YESNP's fig leaf of "only accepting money from voters" is blown away by 80% of it coming from lottery players across Europe!
Now you have lost the plot completely. So where did all the NO money come from , did the people find it in a field , did Ian Taylor print it himself. Sad excuse for an argument. Given the Weir's live and vote in Scotland , what is your issue with them spending their personal money how they wish. Just envy that they are not giving it to unionists, most of your millionaires are too busy grabbing more loot to bother donating.
The money is coming in now at a good clip, and from a far greater variety of sources than the Yes camp's reliance on lottery millionaires
At least YES only take money from people who have a vote in the referendum. NO camp take it from anyone from anywhere. Sour grapes that the NO billionaires and millionaires are too tight to contribute.
Not having a vote is not the same as not having an interest. I have an interest in this despite not having a vote because Scotland is part of my country the United Kingdom, and Scottish heritage is as much part of my identity as it is of anyone born north of Berwick. It is right the decision on their future is reserved to Scotland but to pretend that it isn't something that anyone outside Scotland should have a stake in or a view on is the most unattractive part of the Yes side.
Jim, get off your high horse. I was talking about where donations come from. Nobody said you did not have a right to be interested or have an opinion. However Carlotta crowing about NO donations when they take them from anyone , ie 65 million in UK alone as opposed to YES who limit to only people with a vote in the referendum is very sad and vicious. She does not berate all the billionaire and millionaire unionists for not supporting NO , in other words an arse.
Since you are talking out of your derrière it's a bit muffled by you being on your high horse - YESNP's fig leaf of "only accepting money from voters" is blown away by 80% of it coming from lottery players across Europe!
Now you have lost the plot completely. So where did all the NO money come from , did the people find it in a field , did Ian Taylor print it himself. Sad excuse for an argument. Given the Weir's live and vote in Scotland , what is your issue with them spending their personal money how they wish. Just envy that they are not giving it to unionists, most of your millionaires are too busy grabbing more loot to bother donating.
80% of YESNP's money has come from Euro Lottery players. Get over it.
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
Yawn.
Speaking of yawns
(snip)
Sam, that's out of order. I sent it as a PM because I didn't want it broadcasting.
Tough.
You accused me of something I didnt do, called me a liar when I explained why I had posted what I did, "scared and pathetic" when I tried to explain again, then started writing "yawn" when I tried to defuse the situation for a fourth and fifth time...
...all because you couldnt admit you had misinterptreted a joke
Again, yawn. May I suggest you read your original post again?
All you've done tonight is show that you can't be trusted with PM's.
I linked to a Mail story about Romanian thieves and said "There's UKIP's next PPB"
It was a joke, I was being sarcastic, ribbing UKIP for being obsessed about Romanian crime. Maybe sarcasm didnt come across online, but you should have accepted my word.
You are embarrassed because you jumped the gun, I would be if I were you too, I understand.
But no more boring emails please.
I'm not embarrassed at all, and stand by what I've written.
I'm sorry that trying to explain my position was boring. I was hoping that a little understanding might help our future conversations. It seems I was wrong, and anything said to you - even in private - is potential ammunition in your posts.
I don't know about Iraq but I'd have thought the ICC investigating any possible New Labour involvement in rendition would be the easy route to go on that.
Would these 'rendition flights' be the same ones Home Secretary David Miliband has already apologised for?
@Alanbrooke "You have a point of Cameron, but I get so bored with kippers blaming him for everything from gay marriage to the Fall of Constantinople that I give him a let. With Osborne and Cameron it's hard to work out who's the puppet and who's the puppet master. I think I've settled for self operating puppets."
We Kippers don't blame Cammo for the fall of Constantinople. We blame him for the emasculation of the Conservative Party and it's eventual fall.
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
Yawn.
Speaking of yawns
(snip)
Sam, that's out of order. I sent it as a PM because I didn't want it broadcasting.
Tough.
You accused me of something I didnt do, called me a liar when I explained why I had posted what I did, "scared and pathetic" when I tried to explain again, then started writing "yawn" when I tried to defuse the situation for a fourth and fifth time...
...all because you couldnt admit you had misinterptreted a joke
Again, yawn. May I suggest you read your original post again?
All you've done tonight is show that you can't be trusted with PM's.
I linked to a Mail story about Romanian thieves and said "There's UKIP's next PPB"
It was a joke, I was being sarcastic, ribbing UKIP for being obsessed about Romanian crime. Maybe sarcasm didnt come across online, but you should have accepted my word.
You are embarrassed because you jumped the gun, I would be if I were you too, I understand.
But no more boring emails please.
I'm not embarrassed at all, and stand by what I've written.
I'm sorry that trying to explain my position was boring. I was hoping that a little understanding might help our future conversations. It seems I was wrong, and anything said to you - even in private - is potential ammunition in your posts.
Whatever. I am not interested in your wifes nationality, who you work with, why you feel how you feel, any of it, so drop me out.
Bob, debatable given the pasting Sam was being given in print. Josias as ever overstepped the mark , he has previous in this area and has been caught by his own sending of a PM. He could have sent it and posted more graciously to Sam in the thread, but chose not to.
Well ok, keep on digging. I wont forget that accusation of me being a liar. It was a joke, although I know sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
If I meant it you must surely know by now that I would have argued my case until the rest of PB was bored of our bickering and the mods asked us to drop it.
Please dont bother with lengthy tedious private messages to me about your work/wife whatever, Im not interested.
Yawn * 2. I sent you a PM to explain my position, which you thanked me for at the time. Now, apparently, it was tedious.
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
I do, do UKIP favours I posted 200 leaflets for them last week
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
Yawn.
Speaking of yawns
(snip)
Sam, that's out of order. I sent it as a PM because I didn't want it broadcasting.
Tough.
You accused me of something I didnt do, called me a liar when I explained why I had posted what I did, "scared and pathetic" when I tried to explain again, then started writing "yawn" when I tried to defuse the situation for a fourth and fifth time...
...all because you couldnt admit you had misinterptreted a joke
Again, yawn. May I suggest you read your original post again?
All you've done tonight is show that you can't be trusted with PM's.
The money is coming in now at a good clip, and from a far greater variety of sources than the Yes camp's reliance on lottery millionaires
At least YES only take money from people who have a vote in the referendum. NO camp take it from anyone from anywhere. Sour grapes that the NO billionaires and millionaires are too tight to contribute.
Not having a vote is not the same as not having an interest. I have an interest in this despite not having a vote because Scotland is part of my country the United Kingdom, and Scottish heritage is as much part of my identity as it is of anyone born north of Berwick. It is right the decision on their future is reserved to Scotland but to pretend that it isn't something that anyone outside Scotland should have a stake in or a view on is the most unattractive part of the Yes side.
Jim, get off your high horse. I was talking about where donations come from. Nobody said you did not have a right to be interested or have an opinion. However Carlotta crowing about NO donations when they take them from anyone , ie 65 million in UK alone as opposed to YES who limit to only people with a vote in the referendum is very sad and vicious. She does not berate all the billionaire and millionaire unionists for not supporting NO , in other words an arse.
Since you are talking out of your derrière it's a bit muffled by you being on your high horse - YESNP's fig leaf of "only accepting money from voters" is blown away by 80% of it coming from lottery players across Europe!
Now you have lost the plot completely. So where did all the NO money come from , did the people find it in a field , did Ian Taylor print it himself. Sad excuse for an argument. Given the Weir's live and vote in Scotland , what is your issue with them spending their personal money how they wish. Just envy that they are not giving it to unionists, most of your millionaires are too busy grabbing more loot to bother donating.
80% of YESNP's money has come from Euro Lottery players. Get over it.
It really rankles you that despite NO having hundreds of millionaires only two two have dipped into their pockets and that only for paltry donations of £500K. Meanwhile YES who have only ordinary people get five time that from one couple. Boo Hoo it is an injustice.
The CONS have just overtaken LAB in two polls. So, why have the constituency markets not shifted one iota?
It obviously takes time for people to react.
I mentioned earlier today that the odds in Bedford have remained the same as before. Tories are still 2/1. I placed a small bet on them just now due to yesterday's polls.
I always thought that the polls were already a reaction by the public. Are you saying that it's the other way round and that we are being manipulated by the polling companies?
Comments
"everything points to a long-term and sustained fall in crime"
and yet there is clear evidence that large chunks of crime are being ignored in the same way the grooming gangs were ignored.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/26/gangs-sexual-violence-warzones
So given the political class are perfectly happy to ignore this why would any rational person take the crime stats on faith?
unhealthy fixation of Mr Salmond. You and Scott would make a right pair of matching Wally Dugs.
Ed?
Your sense of humour is legendary, Mr G.. Probably best not push it too far, though.
Judge, jury, verdict!
That was quick!
I guess "due process" will not figure highly in Separate Scotland?
Too much Buckie ?
PS Very concerning article , that the country has reached being investigated, recent other cases re Iraq , etc , very worrying.
Have some respect for London - your angry scot thing is causing havoc - have you not seen The Thick of It.
PS the EBC are real crap
You asked for it. Here you go:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Aluminum-Foil-Hat/
But I'm afraid one isn't going to be enough for you:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
I suggest you put one on, now.
I may sound like Mr Angry on here but am very fortunate , a rough diamond.
+1
@standardnews: British Asian Ukip member quits party in protest at 'terrifying' and 'racist' direction http://t.co/stiL0nVT0U
You really do not do UKIP any favours.
Funny enough the same sentiment to immigration is prevalent acroos the continent.
Quelle surprise
"Attitudes toward immigrants and minority groups will also shape the public mood in the run up to the parliamentary election. A median of 55% wants to limit immigration. This includes particularly strong anti-immigrant sentiment in Greece (86%) and Italy (80%). A median of 52% in European countries we surveyed say immigrants are a burden because they take jobs and social benefits, 48% complain they want to be distinct from the local society, and 36% say they are to blame for crime."
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/12/5-key-takeaways-from-the-european-union-survey/
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/05/PG_14.05.12_Takeaways_5-3.png
PS Much more and you will be down to Scott levels, try to save yourself.
Lets see now, closure of local Courts, armed police as standard, centralisaton of administration of fire, ambulance and coastguard, changes to legal safeguards - all done to cut costs, improve efficiency and see the disappearing act of the relevant minister when things go pearshape.
Watch in awe when our beloved FM stands up in Holyrood to give total confidence in the minister concerned,. Gasp in wonder when Ms Sturgeon has to apologice for the FM again.
Yes, Welcome to New Scotland.
Edit due to spell checker.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100271380/is-labour-trying-to-undermine-alistair-darling-and-better-together-in-scotland/
You misunderstood a joke, tripped over yourself to be sanctimonius and have made yourself look silly... I am sure you'll carry on and on trying to dig your way out of it.
I try to be courteous to everyone, no matter what I think of them, but please, no more self indulgent emails
The public beach is tiny and uninspiring, although I did encounter a girl in a gold bikini and good stilettos popping down for a brief dip.
The rest of the country is entirely forgettable.
Labour to field a bunch of losers.
Darling loser and invisible
Brown loser and invisible
Lamont loser and invisible
Alexander multiple loser and invisible
Murphy loser and invisible
Roy loser and invisible
God help us.
My age remains between me and my birth certificate
"The current immigration policy is biased and unfair because everyone is subordinate to Europeans. We have nothing more in common with someone from Bulgaria than we do with someone from Africa or South America or Asia.
“It makes me angry that my grandparents had to work so hard to come over whereas now people just arrive. I’m not saying that all EU immigrants sponge off the State, but they have the opportunity to use our services.”"
http://sanya-jeet.com/politics/
The girl who went on tv last week saying UKIP wre not racist and got this
Katabasis @Kata_basis May 7
Wow. Awate tells Sanya-Jeet Thandi on C4 news that she's "betraying her skin colour" for supporting #UKIP. http://sanya-jeet.com/politics/multiculturalism-on-channel-4/ …
Rather than 56:44 to No?
Hi Sam,
I'm not sure I've ever said that you're wrong on immigration (although I might be wrong on that). I believe there are issues to do with mass immigration, in particular the effect mass immigration into small areas has on local services.
My main issue is that I'm not sure that you've thought of potential issues with UKIP's position on it, and the intended and unintended consequences it might have.
This may not be true, or fair, but it is how I feel.
Please remember, I'm married to an out-of-EU immigrant (although naturalised), and work with many immigrants and people of other nationalities. Now whilst this is not 'mass immigration', some people I talk to are becoming quite fearful of some of the rhetoric (to be fair not just from UKIP) about immigration and especially Islam. I see this frequently, and it is a problem.
As for the tone of my messages: I post from work, and my work involves a certain tone of language and rigidity of mind and perniticky computer-style logic. Maybe that comes across too readily. I'm glad you're on PB to offset us public schoolboys, who are rather overrepresented. ;-)
Anyway, I thought I'd take this onto a PM. Hopefully this may help you understand where I'm coming from.
Cheers
Ed Miliband@Ed_Miliband·12 mins
Generation rent needs proper protection against being ripped off. Today Labour MPs will vote to give them a hand and ban letting agent fees.
If Labour are wise, they will learn something from them.
Should a private message not remain private?
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/05/poll-of-polls-8-may/
Now, if I was the SNP I would claim that i didn't have to publish my evidence, and spend a fortune in legal bills defending that right, especially if it didn't exist.....
However Carlotta crowing about NO donations when they take them from anyone , ie 65 million in UK alone as opposed to YES who limit to only people with a vote in the referendum is very sad and vicious. She does not berate all the billionaire and millionaire unionists for not supporting NO , in other words an arse.
You accused me of something I didnt do, called me a liar when I explained why I had posted what I did, "scared and pathetic" when I tried to explain again, then started writing "yawn" when I tried to defuse the situation for a fourth and fifth time...
...all because you couldnt admit you had misinterpreted a joke
All you've done tonight is show that you can't be trusted with PM's.
It was a joke, I was being sarcastic, ribbing UKIP for being obsessed about Romanian crime. Maybe sarcasm didnt come across online, but you should have accepted my word.
You are embarrassed because you jumped the gun, I would be if I were you too, I understand.
But no more boring emails please, I am genuinely not interested in your personal life
I'm sorry that trying to explain my position was boring. I was hoping that a little understanding might help our future conversations. It seems I was wrong, and anything said to you - even in private - is potential ammunition in your posts.
"You have a point of Cameron, but I get so bored with kippers blaming him for everything from gay marriage to the Fall of Constantinople that I give him a let. With Osborne and Cameron it's hard to work out who's the puppet and who's the puppet master. I think I've settled for self operating puppets."
We Kippers don't blame Cammo for the fall of Constantinople. We blame him for the emasculation of the Conservative Party and it's eventual fall.
Meanwhile YES who have only ordinary people get five time that from one couple.
Boo Hoo it is an injustice.