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There were some interesting posts on the overnight thread which perhaps should be given a wider audience. This from Cyclefree is one of the best and is on the impact of the the metres apart regime that all of us are having to handle.
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Good morning and first0
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It's the beauty treatments I'll miss.1
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I've just bought some hair-clippers because I couldn't stand any longer going without a haircutTheuniondivvie said:It's the beauty treatments I'll miss.
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It is all so depressing but we have to keep a sense of proportion as it will ease and slowly recover but of course it will take time and so we have to adapt ourselves to the new new and hope a vaccine will be found in short order0
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I had a number 3 back & sides and number 5 on top just before the lockdown, but yeah, I'll need to do something pretty soon.MikeSmithson said:
I've just bought some hair-clippers because I couldn't stand any longer going without a haircutTheuniondivvie said:It's the beauty treatments I'll miss.
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Where is Jack W when you need him?MikeSmithson said:
I've just bought some hair-clippers because I couldn't stand any longer going without a haircutTheuniondivvie said:It's the beauty treatments I'll miss.
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Somethings will be quicker than others. I think overseas travel will be very rare this year, but by the autumn, I suspect most things to be back up and running, albeit gingerly and with limited uptake.
My Season Ticket will be renewed for the football as per usual, for example.1 -
I am ok with the lockdown, personally. I prefer working from home and don't miss the 90 minutes spent travelling to and from work in overcrowded, overpriced trains. I am enjoying the extra time spent with my wife and children. The garden is more peaceful without the constant flow of planes into Heathrow, the birdsong is beautiful. The air is cleaner without the heavy local road traffic. We don't see extended family that much anyway because they mostly live far away, and regular zoom calls are a partial substitute for now. Similarly having young children our social life wasn't that full beforehand, so not a huge amount to miss there either. Of course if this goes on indefinitely it will start to grate, but for now I am ok with it.3
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In the past week or so I and a number of friends have found the lockdown gruelling and damaging. I still count myself hugely lucky, It is those dealing with death that are having the really hard time. Nevertheless cracks are beginning to appear. It’s the monotony I think.
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The way to make those things safe again is to extinguish the virus from the community. That means sticking with restrictions that keep R below 1 for a short while longer, so that the virus dies out.
Then putting effort into testing and contact tracing so that we can stop isolated residual infections from spreadingand introducing quarantine for travellers from infected countries to reduce the risk of reintroducing the virus.
Doing a half-arsed job of suppressing the virus, and accepting the risk is what will keep people hiding away out of fear.1 -
The lead is more an illustration of the psychological impact of lockdown than objective analysis of our future.1
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I have occasionally wondered how people these days would have coped with the Second World War. I think we're getting a pretty good indication of it now.
The sound of whinging would have drowned out the air raid sirens, and there would have been a substantial movement in favour of surrendering to the Nazis so that we could "get on with our lives".3 -
FPT - this site is pretty unrepresentative though.
It's stuffed with regular posters (many a bit aspergey) whose idea of fun is to log-on to an online blog day after day posting detailed analytical comments from behind a screen.
Given that many like that in 'real life' it's not surprising so many don't really mind the lockdown (disclaimer: I do).
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IanB2`s sensible post in response to Cyclefree`s comments last night:
"As throughout most of history, all of those things will be on offer. You simply live with the chance of becoming ill, and your life expectancy takes a bit of a knock. On average."
No matter what, we must retain our freedom as autonomous individuals in a liberal democracy.
Autonomous individuals: "the capacity to be one's own person, to live one's life according to reasons and motives that are taken as one's own and not the product of manipulative or distorting external forces".
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If you confined everyone in *the whole world* into compulsory isolation for eight weeks then the virus would die out, absolutely. Those who already had it would either die or recover*, and then it would have no-one else to go. It simply wouldn't exist anymore.LostPassword said:The way to make those things safe again is to extinguish the virus from the community. That means sticking with restrictions that keep R below 1 for a short while longer, so that the virus fires out.
Then putting effort into testing and contact tracing so that we can stop isolated residual infections from spreadingand introducing quarantine for travellers from infected countries to reduce the risk of reintroducing the virus.
Doing a half-arsed job of suppressing the virus, and accepting the risk is what will keep people hiding away out of fear.
That isn't practical of course for a whole host of reasons.
(*disclaimer: I don't know whether for a small minority it might linger where they neither fully recover nor die and the virus remains quasi-active or in hibernation in their system)0 -
People will start to ignore the bits they don't agree with.Jonathan said:In the past week or so I and a number of friends have found the lockdown gruelling and damaging. I still count myself hugely lucky, It is those dealing with death that are having the really hard time. Nevertheless cracks are beginning to appear. It’s the monotony I think.
I certainly will if I don't like what the Government has to say on Thursday 7th May next week.2 -
On the drama & films thing, there seems to be a fair stockpile of stuff still to work with with new series of Borgen and The Last Kingdom turning up. I guess the 2020 autumn and winter seasons may be a bit repeaty tho'.0
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So much the same as the people at the time.Chris said:I have occasionally wondered how people these days would have coped with the Second World War. I think we're getting a pretty good indication of it now.
The sound of whinging would have drowned out the air raid sirens, and there would have been a substantial movement in favour of surrendering to the Nazis so that we could "get on with our lives".2 -
I've been reading bits of my Grandad's autobiography. He would have been 100 earlier this month.Chris said:I have occasionally wondered how people these days would have coped with the Second World War. I think we're getting a pretty good indication of it now.
The sound of whinging would have drowned out the air raid sirens, and there would have been a substantial movement in favour of surrendering to the Nazis so that we could "get on with our lives".
He met and married my grandmother during the war. On one day he and a friend cycled from Birmingham to Welshpool to meet Grandma and her friend (who were cycling from Snowdonia). In important social ways what we're being asked to do now is more difficult.1 -
"for now" are the two keys words at the end of that post.OnlyLivingBoy said:I am ok with the lockdown, personally. I prefer working from home and don't miss the 90 minutes spent travelling to and from work in overcrowded, overpriced trains. I am enjoying the extra time spent with my wife and children. The garden is more peaceful without the constant flow of planes into Heathrow, the birdsong is beautiful. The air is cleaner without the heavy local road traffic. We don't see extended family that much anyway because they mostly live far away, and regular zoom calls are a partial substitute for now. Similarly having young children our social life wasn't that full beforehand, so not a huge amount to miss there either. Of course if this goes on indefinitely it will start to grate, but for now I am ok with it.
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The other group of people who are suffering are those currently furloughed, but with no real prospect of returning to work either in their current job or an equivalent. The post lockdown future must look pretty bleak.0
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Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Divvie, The Last Kingdom is probably the last non-news programme I watched on the BBC regularly. Naturally, they discarded it. Still good?
F1: they reckon the season will start in July, in Austria. I'll believe it when I see it.0 -
What's the point of that comment?Casino_Royale said:
If you confined everyone in *the whole world* into compulsory isolation for eight weeks then the virus would die out, absolutely. Those who already had it would either die or recover*, and then it would have no-one else to go. It simply wouldn't exist anymore.LostPassword said:The way to make those things safe again is to extinguish the virus from the community. That means sticking with restrictions that keep R below 1 for a short while longer, so that the virus fires out.
Then putting effort into testing and contact tracing so that we can stop isolated residual infections from spreadingand introducing quarantine for travellers from infected countries to reduce the risk of reintroducing the virus.
Doing a half-arsed job of suppressing the virus, and accepting the risk is what will keep people hiding away out of fear.
That isn't practical of course for a whole host of reasons.
(*disclaimer: I don't know whether for a small minority it might linger where they neither fully recover nor die and the virus remains quasi-active or in hibernation in their system)
As our resident correspondent from Japan has been at pains to point out repeatedly, it's not a binary choice between lockdown and nothing, but about working out what specific interventions will keep R below 1.
If we can sort out testing and contact tracing then South Korea is showing us what is possible.0 -
Saving it for the weekend, I'll report back.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Divvie, The Last Kingdom is probably the last non-news programme I watched on the BBC regularly. Naturally, they discarded it. Still good?
F1: they reckon the season will start in July, in Austria. I'll believe it when I see it.0 -
I`m surprised, but delighted, by your optimism Foxy.Foxy said:Somethings will be quicker than others. I think overseas travel will be very rare this year, but by the autumn, I suspect most things to be back up and running, albeit gingerly and with limited uptake.
My Season Ticket will be renewed for the football as per usual, for example.0 -
I am working, so not representative, and normal work will not be resumed unchanged. There will need to be reduced throughput in person and more telemedicine. Like in retail, we are going to see a decades of change compressed into six months.OnlyLivingBoy said:I am ok with the lockdown, personally. I prefer working from home and don't miss the 90 minutes spent travelling to and from work in overcrowded, overpriced trains. I am enjoying the extra time spent with my wife and children. The garden is more peaceful without the constant flow of planes into Heathrow, the birdsong is beautiful. The air is cleaner without the heavy local road traffic. We don't see extended family that much anyway because they mostly live far away, and regular zoom calls are a partial substitute for now. Similarly having young children our social life wasn't that full beforehand, so not a huge amount to miss there either. Of course if this goes on indefinitely it will start to grate, but for now I am ok with it.
In terms of the rest, I am rather enjoying being at home more in the garden, reading and sorting out the study etc. As an introvert, I find it easy. There is as much social contact as I need.
Fox Jr is eager to get back to acting though, and nightclubbing.0 -
Though, allegedly, that is precisely what was done in Wuhan.Casino_Royale said:
If you confined everyone in *the whole world* into compulsory isolation for eight weeks then the virus would die out, absolutely. Those who already had it would either die or recover*, and then it would have no-one else to go. It simply wouldn't exist anymore.LostPassword said:The way to make those things safe again is to extinguish the virus from the community. That means sticking with restrictions that keep R below 1 for a short while longer, so that the virus fires out.
Then putting effort into testing and contact tracing so that we can stop isolated residual infections from spreadingand introducing quarantine for travellers from infected countries to reduce the risk of reintroducing the virus.
Doing a half-arsed job of suppressing the virus, and accepting the risk is what will keep people hiding away out of fear.
That isn't practical of course for a whole host of reasons.
(*disclaimer: I don't know whether for a small minority it might linger where they neither fully recover nor die and the virus remains quasi-active or in hibernation in their system)0 -
Series Four started on SundayMorris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Divvie, The Last Kingdom is probably the last non-news programme I watched on the BBC regularly. Naturally, they discarded it. Still good?
F1: they reckon the season will start in July, in Austria. I'll believe it when I see it.0 -
I've started to adapt. It helps that I am now working from home so I have something to do all day, and weekends (and the upcoming Bank Holiday) have some meaning again. I am getting out for exercise every day, have put my free time to good use, up to a point where I was starting to get bored, and talking to people has never been a huge priority for me, neither has physical contact. I am having Skype chats three or four times a week, virtual pub quizzes and the like, and keeping in touch with other friends online. I do miss female company though. I can certainly manage anotger few weeks. What is worrying me is what happens to us "higher risk" people as they lift the lockdown, let the pubs open etc. Presumably we will have to continue with social distancing for the foreseeable future.Jonathan said:In the past week or so I and a number of friends have found the lockdown gruelling and damaging. I still count myself hugely lucky, It is those dealing with death that are having the really hard time. Nevertheless cracks are beginning to appear. It’s the monotony I think.
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You posted about extinguishing the virus from the community, and critiqued half-arsed measures.LostPassword said:
What's the point of that comment?Casino_Royale said:
If you confined everyone in *the whole world* into compulsory isolation for eight weeks then the virus would die out, absolutely. Those who already had it would either die or recover*, and then it would have no-one else to go. It simply wouldn't exist anymore.LostPassword said:The way to make those things safe again is to extinguish the virus from the community. That means sticking with restrictions that keep R below 1 for a short while longer, so that the virus fires out.
Then putting effort into testing and contact tracing so that we can stop isolated residual infections from spreadingand introducing quarantine for travellers from infected countries to reduce the risk of reintroducing the virus.
Doing a half-arsed job of suppressing the virus, and accepting the risk is what will keep people hiding away out of fear.
That isn't practical of course for a whole host of reasons.
(*disclaimer: I don't know whether for a small minority it might linger where they neither fully recover nor die and the virus remains quasi-active or in hibernation in their system)
As our resident correspondent from Japan has been at pains to point out repeatedly, it's not a binary choice between lockdown and nothing, but about working out what specific interventions will keep R below 1.
If we can sort out testing and contact tracing then South Korea is showing us what is possible.
I posted a surefire way on how to do that (driving Rt to 0) but explained it wasn't practical.1 -
این نیز بگذرد
This too will pass.
Meanwhile, accept the gift we have been given in this hiatus: time.
In modern life, all too rare are the opportunities to have a surplus of time. To read. To view. To renew acquaintances. To stop. To think, to ponder, to consider: what do I value from my life? What is important to me?
These are questions we rarely consider as we blunder along, just getting things done on a list that never shortens, putting things to one side, to be tackled "one day". Well, we have fewer days than we think. Perhaps, many fewer. So spend some time today, ordering your thoughts.
Because tonight, we will all be "one day closer to death". One day less to read those books we have lovingly stored. To view that film, that play, that ballet, that opera, that boxed set you've been meaning get round to. To find that Christmas card, that scrap of paper of that person otherwise falling out of your life.
Use this time. It's the only blessing to come out of this wretched virus.
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I think that some others will judge their risks differently, certainly I cannot see my folks jetting off anywhere for a while. I suspect that there will be more than the usual 500 odd season ticket holders not renewing too, some for medical, some for financial reasons.Stocky said:
I`m surprised, but delighted, by your optimism Foxy.Foxy said:Somethings will be quicker than others. I think overseas travel will be very rare this year, but by the autumn, I suspect most things to be back up and running, albeit gingerly and with limited uptake.
My Season Ticket will be renewed for the football as per usual, for example.
I am an optomist by nature though, and in another year this will be history.1 -
Sometimes I get tempted (were DIYs, modelling centres and nurseries open) to just quit, take a year off work and build an awesome train set and railway model. Then, when it's all back to normal I don't have to hovel at home anymore.
This does depend on someone being willing to look after my agent of chaos (toddler) though.0 -
I also know this site is very much skewed to older people especially an absence of below 25. Its those who are losing out most - opportunity to do exams , get a first job (even a summer job) , loss of ability to participate in competitive sport, travel (even if to another British city) , meet friends etc. That loss of anticipation , focus and opportunity is most felt when young and is damagingCasino_Royale said:FPT - this site is pretty unrepresentative though.
It's stuffed with regular posters (many a bit aspergey) whose idea of fun is to log-on to an online blog day after day posting detailed analytical comments from behind a screen.
Given that many like that in 'real life' it's not surprising so many don't really mind the lockdown (disclaimer: I do).3 -
Fair point.No_Offence_Alan said:
Though, allegedly, that is precisely what was done in Wuhan.Casino_Royale said:
If you confined everyone in *the whole world* into compulsory isolation for eight weeks then the virus would die out, absolutely. Those who already had it would either die or recover*, and then it would have no-one else to go. It simply wouldn't exist anymore.LostPassword said:The way to make those things safe again is to extinguish the virus from the community. That means sticking with restrictions that keep R below 1 for a short while longer, so that the virus fires out.
Then putting effort into testing and contact tracing so that we can stop isolated residual infections from spreadingand introducing quarantine for travellers from infected countries to reduce the risk of reintroducing the virus.
Doing a half-arsed job of suppressing the virus, and accepting the risk is what will keep people hiding away out of fear.
That isn't practical of course for a whole host of reasons.
(*disclaimer: I don't know whether for a small minority it might linger where they neither fully recover nor die and the virus remains quasi-active or in hibernation in their system)0 -
Fox Jr is, I assume, rapidly becoming discontented with his parents society, and becoming anxious to sow a wild oat or two.Foxy said:
I am working, so not representative, and normal work will not be resumed unchanged. There will need to be reduced throughput in person and more telemedicine. Like in retail, we are going to see a decades of change compressed into six months.OnlyLivingBoy said:I am ok with the lockdown, personally. I prefer working from home and don't miss the 90 minutes spent travelling to and from work in overcrowded, overpriced trains. I am enjoying the extra time spent with my wife and children. The garden is more peaceful without the constant flow of planes into Heathrow, the birdsong is beautiful. The air is cleaner without the heavy local road traffic. We don't see extended family that much anyway because they mostly live far away, and regular zoom calls are a partial substitute for now. Similarly having young children our social life wasn't that full beforehand, so not a huge amount to miss there either. Of course if this goes on indefinitely it will start to grate, but for now I am ok with it.
In terms of the rest, I am rather enjoying being at home more in the garden, reading and sorting out the study etc. As an introvert, I find it easy. There is as much social contact as I need.
Fox Jr is eager to get back to acting though, and nightclubbing.
As I posted on the previous thread, humans are a social species and the young need to leave their parents.
I know grandson 2, 17 today, wants to be out and about.1 -
Hornby are still chuffing along with online sales.Casino_Royale said:Sometimes I get tempted (were DIYs, modelling centres and nurseries open) to just quit, take a year off work and build an awesome train set and railway model. Then, when it's all back to normal I don't have to hovel at home anymore.
This does depend on someone being willing to look after my agent of chaos (toddler) though.0 -
An interesting use of “surefire”.Casino_Royale said:
You posted about extinguishing the virus from the community, and critiqued half-arsed measures.LostPassword said:
What's the point of that comment?Casino_Royale said:
If you confined everyone in *the whole world* into compulsory isolation for eight weeks then the virus would die out, absolutely. Those who already had it would either die or recover*, and then it would have no-one else to go. It simply wouldn't exist anymore.LostPassword said:The way to make those things safe again is to extinguish the virus from the community. That means sticking with restrictions that keep R below 1 for a short while longer, so that the virus fires out.
Then putting effort into testing and contact tracing so that we can stop isolated residual infections from spreadingand introducing quarantine for travellers from infected countries to reduce the risk of reintroducing the virus.
Doing a half-arsed job of suppressing the virus, and accepting the risk is what will keep people hiding away out of fear.
That isn't practical of course for a whole host of reasons.
(*disclaimer: I don't know whether for a small minority it might linger where they neither fully recover nor die and the virus remains quasi-active or in hibernation in their system)
As our resident correspondent from Japan has been at pains to point out repeatedly, it's not a binary choice between lockdown and nothing, but about working out what specific interventions will keep R below 1.
If we can sort out testing and contact tracing then South Korea is showing us what is possible.
I posted a surefire way on how to do that (driving Rt to 0) but explained it wasn't practical.
A magic spell would be another surefire solution.0 -
Things are never as good or as bad as they seem. Expect a bit more Great Gatsby alongside the back to nature Romantacism.
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It`s the rights individuals have to be allowed to "judge their risks differently" that I`m worried that we are losing. The hectoring comes from the left, obviously, but I`m also seeing it from the right.Foxy said:
I think that some others will judge their risks differently, certainly I cannot see my folks jetting off anywhere for a while. I suspect that there will be more than the usual 500 odd season ticket holders not renewing too, some for medical, some for financial reasons.Stocky said:
I`m surprised, but delighted, by your optimism Foxy.Foxy said:Somethings will be quicker than others. I think overseas travel will be very rare this year, but by the autumn, I suspect most things to be back up and running, albeit gingerly and with limited uptake.
My Season Ticket will be renewed for the football as per usual, for example.
I am an optomist by nature though, and in another year this will be history.
Liberalism needs to re-assert itself - and fast. (Politically, there is an opportunity here. Davey and Moran etc are not grasping it. Not even slightly.)0 -
Check out Everard Junction on YouTube. That guy built an incredible layout in a very confined space.Casino_Royale said:Sometimes I get tempted (were DIYs, modelling centres and nurseries open) to just quit, take a year off work and build an awesome train set and railway model. Then, when it's all back to normal I don't have to hovel at home anymore.
My dad spent his retirement building a giant 8x3m layout which we now don't to what to do with. One the hand somebody would enjoy the rolling stock but my dad put thousands of hours into it so it doesn't feel right to dismantle it. I reckon I put over 500 hours into the electronics I did on it for him.1 -
One of my best days abroad was visiting the mind blowing Wunderland model railway in Hamburg which I believe is the biggest in the world - Went in at 10 and next time looked at my watch it was 4 pm!Casino_Royale said:Sometimes I get tempted (were DIYs, modelling centres and nurseries open) to just quit, take a year off work and build an awesome train set and railway model. Then, when it's all back to normal I don't have to hovel at home anymore.
This does depend on someone being willing to look after my agent of chaos (toddler) though.1 -
I am a pessomist by nature, and am thinking that in a few more, so will we all.Foxy said:
I think that some others will judge their risks differently, certainly I cannot see my folks jetting off anywhere for a while. I suspect that there will be more than the usual 500 odd season ticket holders not renewing too, some for medical, some for financial reasons.Stocky said:
I`m surprised, but delighted, by your optimism Foxy.Foxy said:Somethings will be quicker than others. I think overseas travel will be very rare this year, but by the autumn, I suspect most things to be back up and running, albeit gingerly and with limited uptake.
My Season Ticket will be renewed for the football as per usual, for example.
I am an optomist by nature though, and in another year this will be history.0 -
A nice sentiment, but time is not something that has appeared in this crisis despite commuting 4hrs less. The working day is longer and at least as tense. The childcare and domestic work has grown to fill whatever gaps are left. It all blurs together, day after day. Switching off, if it occurs, happens at around 10pm. Gaining time and going slowly sound amazing.MarqueeMark said:این نیز بگذرد
This too will pass.
Meanwhile, accept the gift we have been given in this hiatus: time.
In modern life, all too rare are the opportunities to have a surplus of time. To read. To view. To renew acquaintances. To stop. To think, to ponder, to consider: what do I value from my life? What is important to me?
These are questions we rarely consider as we blunder along, just getting things done on a list that never shortens, putting things to one side, to be tackled "one day". Well, we have fewer days than we think. Perhaps, many fewer. So spend some time today, ordering your thoughts.
Because tonight, we will all be "one day closer to death". One day less to read those books we have lovingly stored. To view that film, that play, that ballet, that opera, that boxed set you've been meaning get round to. To find that Christmas card, that scrap of paper of that person otherwise falling out of your life.
Use this time. It's the only blessing to come out of this wretched virus.0 -
I don't anticipate that happening, thankfully.Stocky said:
"for now" are the two keys words at the end of that post.OnlyLivingBoy said:I am ok with the lockdown, personally. I prefer working from home and don't miss the 90 minutes spent travelling to and from work in overcrowded, overpriced trains. I am enjoying the extra time spent with my wife and children. The garden is more peaceful without the constant flow of planes into Heathrow, the birdsong is beautiful. The air is cleaner without the heavy local road traffic. We don't see extended family that much anyway because they mostly live far away, and regular zoom calls are a partial substitute for now. Similarly having young children our social life wasn't that full beforehand, so not a huge amount to miss there either. Of course if this goes on indefinitely it will start to grate, but for now I am ok with it.
And when your income ceases?0 -
They are - and are better than they were - but Hornby have always been considered a bit plebian amongst serious modellers.IanB2 said:
Hornby are still chuffing along with online sales.Casino_Royale said:Sometimes I get tempted (were DIYs, modelling centres and nurseries open) to just quit, take a year off work and build an awesome train set and railway model. Then, when it's all back to normal I don't have to hovel at home anymore.
This does depend on someone being willing to look after my agent of chaos (toddler) though.
Like those who don't ever upgrade their browser from Windows explorer.0 -
It's shit. I can barely keep on top of my work and my wife can't for hers.Jonathan said:
A nice sentiment, but time is not something that has appeared in this crisis despite commuting 4hrs less. The working day is longer and at least as tense. The childcare and domestic work has grown to fill whatever gaps are left. It all blurs together, day after day. Switching off, if it occurs, happens at around 10pm. Gaining time and going slowly sound amazing.MarqueeMark said:این نیز بگذرد
This too will pass.
Meanwhile, accept the gift we have been given in this hiatus: time.
In modern life, all too rare are the opportunities to have a surplus of time. To read. To view. To renew acquaintances. To stop. To think, to ponder, to consider: what do I value from my life? What is important to me?
These are questions we rarely consider as we blunder along, just getting things done on a list that never shortens, putting things to one side, to be tackled "one day". Well, we have fewer days than we think. Perhaps, many fewer. So spend some time today, ordering your thoughts.
Because tonight, we will all be "one day closer to death". One day less to read those books we have lovingly stored. To view that film, that play, that ballet, that opera, that boxed set you've been meaning get round to. To find that Christmas card, that scrap of paper of that person otherwise falling out of your life.
Use this time. It's the only blessing to come out of this wretched virus.
I'm not sure how much more I can take.1 -
Thanks. Will do.Dura_Ace said:
Check out Everard Junction on YouTube. That guy built an incredible layout in a very confined space.Casino_Royale said:Sometimes I get tempted (were DIYs, modelling centres and nurseries open) to just quit, take a year off work and build an awesome train set and railway model. Then, when it's all back to normal I don't have to hovel at home anymore.
My dad spent his retirement building a giant 8x3m layout which we now don't to what to do with. One the hand somebody would enjoy the rolling stock but my dad put thousands of hours into it so it doesn't feel right to dismantle it. I reckon I put over 500 hours into the electronics I did on it for him.
Sounds like fun.0 -
I know we have a few commercially-minded people on here. What do you think of marketing a few plague-doctor bird masks? I've even thought of a strap-line.
"Remember that feeling you had as a child? When you woke in the night and saw a dark shadow in the bedroom? Bring it back to life with a plague-doctor bird mask. Dispel the miasma. Only (insert excessive sum) pounds."0 -
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Know how you feel. Was looking forward to bank holiday Monday, then found that they moved it to Friday. Grrrr.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
A nice sentiment, but time is not something that has appeared in this crisis despite commuting 4hrs less. The working day is longer and at least as tense. The childcare and domestic work has grown to fill whatever gaps are left. It all blurs together, day after day. Switching off, if it occurs, happens at around 10pm. Gaining time and going slowly sound amazing.MarqueeMark said:این نیز بگذرد
This too will pass.
Meanwhile, accept the gift we have been given in this hiatus: time.
In modern life, all too rare are the opportunities to have a surplus of time. To read. To view. To renew acquaintances. To stop. To think, to ponder, to consider: what do I value from my life? What is important to me?
These are questions we rarely consider as we blunder along, just getting things done on a list that never shortens, putting things to one side, to be tackled "one day". Well, we have fewer days than we think. Perhaps, many fewer. So spend some time today, ordering your thoughts.
Because tonight, we will all be "one day closer to death". One day less to read those books we have lovingly stored. To view that film, that play, that ballet, that opera, that boxed set you've been meaning get round to. To find that Christmas card, that scrap of paper of that person otherwise falling out of your life.
Use this time. It's the only blessing to come out of this wretched virus.
It's shit. I can barely keep on top of my work and my wife can't for hers.
I'm not sure how much more I can take.1 -
The 1920 flu had a tremendous and catastrophic economic effect in the UK, much more serious than the Great Depression.Foxy said:Things are never as good or as bad as they seem. Expect a bit more Great Gatsby alongside the back to nature Romantacism.
https://twitter.com/KateDahls/status/1255594504247271425?s=09
UK GDP fell over 20% from 1920 to 1921 and didn't recover back to where it was until WWII.0 -
You don't.Jonathan said:
Coronavirus isn't polonium resulting in guaranteed death and nor is it 100% instantly contagious.
For a transient isolated warping of the rules in one location there will be precious little difference to anything. Unless someone sneezed or coughed (who was infected) or touched someone uninfected directly during that breakdown then nothing probably happened. 30-50cm as opposed to 2m+ for a couple of minutes isn't a huge extra risk if it's not coincident with a transmission event.
Just shows you people only understand risks in absolutes.1 -
I'm taking that Monday off too as leave. Wife too.Jonathan said:
Know how you feel. Was looking forward to bank holiday Monday, then found that they moved it to Friday. Grrrr.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
A nice sentiment, but time is not something that has appeared in this crisis despite commuting 4hrs less. The working day is longer and at least as tense. The childcare and domestic work has grown to fill whatever gaps are left. It all blurs together, day after day. Switching off, if it occurs, happens at around 10pm. Gaining time and going slowly sound amazing.MarqueeMark said:این نیز بگذرد
This too will pass.
Meanwhile, accept the gift we have been given in this hiatus: time.
In modern life, all too rare are the opportunities to have a surplus of time. To read. To view. To renew acquaintances. To stop. To think, to ponder, to consider: what do I value from my life? What is important to me?
These are questions we rarely consider as we blunder along, just getting things done on a list that never shortens, putting things to one side, to be tackled "one day". Well, we have fewer days than we think. Perhaps, many fewer. So spend some time today, ordering your thoughts.
Because tonight, we will all be "one day closer to death". One day less to read those books we have lovingly stored. To view that film, that play, that ballet, that opera, that boxed set you've been meaning get round to. To find that Christmas card, that scrap of paper of that person otherwise falling out of your life.
Use this time. It's the only blessing to come out of this wretched virus.
It's shit. I can barely keep on top of my work and my wife can't for hers.
I'm not sure how much more I can take.0 -
The point many are missing is that we aren’t doing all this to avoid the death toll per se, which isn’t extreme in relation to other causes. We are doing it because the NHS could not cope with lots of people getting infected at once, and we don’t want to see a Lombardy outcome of people being turned away from hospital.Casino_Royale said:
You don't.Jonathan said:
Coronavirus isn't polonium resulting in guaranteed death and nor is it 100% instantly contagious.
For a transient isolated warping of the rules in one location there will be precious little difference to anything. Unless someone sneezed or coughed (who was infected) or touched someone uninfected directly during that breakdown then nothing probably happened. 30-50cm as opposed to 2m+ for a couple of minutes isn't a huge extra risk if it's not coincident with a transmission event.
Just shows you people only understand risks in absolutes.0 -
Davey and Moran aren't liberals.Stocky said:
It`s the rights individuals have to be allowed to "judge their risks differently" that I`m worried that we are losing. The hectoring comes from the left, obviously, but I`m also seeing it from the right.Foxy said:
I think that some others will judge their risks differently, certainly I cannot see my folks jetting off anywhere for a while. I suspect that there will be more than the usual 500 odd season ticket holders not renewing too, some for medical, some for financial reasons.Stocky said:
I`m surprised, but delighted, by your optimism Foxy.Foxy said:Somethings will be quicker than others. I think overseas travel will be very rare this year, but by the autumn, I suspect most things to be back up and running, albeit gingerly and with limited uptake.
My Season Ticket will be renewed for the football as per usual, for example.
I am an optomist by nature though, and in another year this will be history.
Liberalism needs to re-assert itself - and fast. (Politically, there is an opportunity here. Davey and Moran etc are not grasping it. Not even slightly.)2 -
That's fine and reasonable but it has to be temporary.IanB2 said:
The point many are missing is that we aren’t doing all this to avoid the death toll per se, which isn’t extreme in relation to other causes. We are doing it because the NHS could not cope with lots of people getting infected at once, and we don’t want to see a Lombardy outcome of people being turned away from hospital.Casino_Royale said:
You don't.Jonathan said:
Coronavirus isn't polonium resulting in guaranteed death and nor is it 100% instantly contagious.
For a transient isolated warping of the rules in one location there will be precious little difference to anything. Unless someone sneezed or coughed (who was infected) or touched someone uninfected directly during that breakdown then nothing probably happened. 30-50cm as opposed to 2m+ for a couple of minutes isn't a huge extra risk if it's not coincident with a transmission event.
Just shows you people only understand risks in absolutes.
It makes sense to lock down to keep a peak below NHS capacity but it can't be permanent. The priority has to be using this limited window to contain the virus, raise NHS capacity, raise testing and tracking/tracing capacity and raise PPE stocks.0 -
Ha ha - Davey is. Orange-booker. Agree with you about Moran though.Philip_Thompson said:
Davey and Moran aren't liberals.Stocky said:
It`s the rights individuals have to be allowed to "judge their risks differently" that I`m worried that we are losing. The hectoring comes from the left, obviously, but I`m also seeing it from the right.Foxy said:
I think that some others will judge their risks differently, certainly I cannot see my folks jetting off anywhere for a while. I suspect that there will be more than the usual 500 odd season ticket holders not renewing too, some for medical, some for financial reasons.Stocky said:
I`m surprised, but delighted, by your optimism Foxy.Foxy said:Somethings will be quicker than others. I think overseas travel will be very rare this year, but by the autumn, I suspect most things to be back up and running, albeit gingerly and with limited uptake.
My Season Ticket will be renewed for the football as per usual, for example.
I am an optomist by nature though, and in another year this will be history.
Liberalism needs to re-assert itself - and fast. (Politically, there is an opportunity here. Davey and Moran etc are not grasping it. Not even slightly.)0 -
That’s a good plan. A good way round this political correctness.Casino_Royale said:
I'm taking that Monday off too as leave. Wife too.Jonathan said:Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
A nice sentiment, but time is not something that has appeared in this crisis despite commuting 4hrs less. The working day is longer and at least as tense. The childcare and domestic work has grown to fill whatever gaps are left. It all blurs together, day after day. Switching off, if it occurs, happens at around 10pm. Gaining time and going slowly sound amazing.MarqueeMark said:این نیز بگذرد
This too will pass.
Meanwhile, accept the gift we have been given in this hiatus: time.
In modern life, all too rare are the opportunities to have a surplus of time. To read. To view. To renew acquaintances. To stop. To think, to ponder, to consider: what do I value from my life? What is important to me?
These are questions we rarely consider as we blunder along, just getting things done on a list that never shortens, putting things to one side, to be tackled "one day". Well, we have fewer days than we think. Perhaps, many fewer. So spend some time today, ordering your thoughts.
Because tonight, we will all be "one day closer to death". One day less to read those books we have lovingly stored. To view that film, that play, that ballet, that opera, that boxed set you've been meaning get round to. To find that Christmas card, that scrap of paper of that person otherwise falling out of your life.
Use this time. It's the only blessing to come out of this wretched virus.
It's shit. I can barely keep on top of my work and my wife can't for hers.
I'm not sure how much more I can take.
Know how you feel. Was looking forward to bank holiday Monday, then found that they moved it to Friday. Grrrr.
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Boris wishes
CaptainColonel Tom best wishes for his birthday on breakfast TV.1 -
Major Tom surely.MarqueeMark said:Boris wishes
CaptainColonel Tom best wishes for his birthday on breakfast TV.0 -
And learning to drive no doubt.OldKingCole said:
Fox Jr is, I assume, rapidly becoming discontented with his parents society, and becoming anxious to sow a wild oat or two.Foxy said:
I am working, so not representative, and normal work will not be resumed unchanged. There will need to be reduced throughput in person and more telemedicine. Like in retail, we are going to see a decades of change compressed into six months.OnlyLivingBoy said:I am ok with the lockdown, personally. I prefer working from home and don't miss the 90 minutes spent travelling to and from work in overcrowded, overpriced trains. I am enjoying the extra time spent with my wife and children. The garden is more peaceful without the constant flow of planes into Heathrow, the birdsong is beautiful. The air is cleaner without the heavy local road traffic. We don't see extended family that much anyway because they mostly live far away, and regular zoom calls are a partial substitute for now. Similarly having young children our social life wasn't that full beforehand, so not a huge amount to miss there either. Of course if this goes on indefinitely it will start to grate, but for now I am ok with it.
In terms of the rest, I am rather enjoying being at home more in the garden, reading and sorting out the study etc. As an introvert, I find it easy. There is as much social contact as I need.
Fox Jr is eager to get back to acting though, and nightclubbing.
As I posted on the previous thread, humans are a social species and the young need to leave their parents.
I know grandson 2, 17 today, wants to be out and about.
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Living with this disease in the medium term depends on everyone maintaining the highest standards of hygiene and not allowing this to stop us doing what we want to do, beyond what is necessary.
Like having a chronic disease, it's not something anyone wants, but once you adjust you can in fact live with it.1 -
I had a survey to fill in from Chichester Theatre which asked me which of the following would make me feel safe about returning to the theatre. The options included deep cleaning, anti-bacterial gel in the loos, seating further apart, taking the temperature of the audience before they entered the building. I answered none of the above and said that the only solution I could see was vaccination.
I felt a bit sorry for myself when I thought of the productions I had booked for and had been looking forward to seeing. Then I remembered how back in January (which seems another lifetime ago) a friend told me how her nephew had just got a key role in a production in Chichester Festival Theatre's summer season and he was excited about getting his big break in the theatre. That production has now been dropped from the schedule.
That's when I feel like crying; when I think of the young people who have had their dreams dashed.3 -
Nah, he seems OK and enjoying the novelty of living with his parents again. He seems to have a Zoom party every night with his friends.OldKingCole said:
Fox Jr is, I assume, rapidly becoming discontented with his parents society, and becoming anxious to sow a wild oat or two.Foxy said:
I am working, so not representative, and normal work will not be resumed unchanged. There will need to be reduced throughput in person and more telemedicine. Like in retail, we are going to see a decades of change compressed into six months.OnlyLivingBoy said:I am ok with the lockdown, personally. I prefer working from home and don't miss the 90 minutes spent travelling to and from work in overcrowded, overpriced trains. I am enjoying the extra time spent with my wife and children. The garden is more peaceful without the constant flow of planes into Heathrow, the birdsong is beautiful. The air is cleaner without the heavy local road traffic. We don't see extended family that much anyway because they mostly live far away, and regular zoom calls are a partial substitute for now. Similarly having young children our social life wasn't that full beforehand, so not a huge amount to miss there either. Of course if this goes on indefinitely it will start to grate, but for now I am ok with it.
In terms of the rest, I am rather enjoying being at home more in the garden, reading and sorting out the study etc. As an introvert, I find it easy. There is as much social contact as I need.
Fox Jr is eager to get back to acting though, and nightclubbing.
As I posted on the previous thread, humans are a social species and the young need to leave their parents.
I know grandson 2, 17 today, wants to be out and about.
I suspect that he will tire of it soon. He is quite a sociable fellow.0 -
The RCS says no blacks, no going outish ...
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A spitfire and hurricane doing a triple pass over Colonel Tom evokes so many memories for me
He and they are an utter inspiration0 -
I don't really see the difference between having Monday or Friday off. Although I obviously will no longer be flying to the Netherlands for the weekend - I was supposed to be on an evening flight on Thursday 7thCasino_Royale said:
I'm taking that Monday off too as leave. Wife too.Jonathan said:
Know how you feel. Was looking forward to bank holiday Monday, then found that they moved it to Friday. Grrrr.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
A nice sentiment, but time is not something that has appeared in this crisis despite commuting 4hrs less. The working day is longer and at least as tense. The childcare and domestic work has grown to fill whatever gaps are left. It all blurs together, day after day. Switching off, if it occurs, happens at around 10pm. Gaining time and going slowly sound amazing.MarqueeMark said:این نیز بگذرد
This too will pass.
Meanwhile, accept the gift we have been given in this hiatus: time.
In modern life, all too rare are the opportunities to have a surplus of time. To read. To view. To renew acquaintances. To stop. To think, to ponder, to consider: what do I value from my life? What is important to me?
These are questions we rarely consider as we blunder along, just getting things done on a list that never shortens, putting things to one side, to be tackled "one day". Well, we have fewer days than we think. Perhaps, many fewer. So spend some time today, ordering your thoughts.
Because tonight, we will all be "one day closer to death". One day less to read those books we have lovingly stored. To view that film, that play, that ballet, that opera, that boxed set you've been meaning get round to. To find that Christmas card, that scrap of paper of that person otherwise falling out of your life.
Use this time. It's the only blessing to come out of this wretched virus.
It's shit. I can barely keep on top of my work and my wife can't for hers.
I'm not sure how much more I can take.0 -
I think quite a few people seem to be confusing “recognises the need for and supports the lockdown as the best route forward for now” with “supports the lockdown because for some reason they like it”.Casino_Royale said:FPT - this site is pretty unrepresentative though.
It's stuffed with regular posters (many a bit aspergey) whose idea of fun is to log-on to an online blog day after day posting detailed analytical comments from behind a screen.
Given that many like that in 'real life' it's not surprising so many don't really mind the lockdown (disclaimer: I do).
And on the “aspergey” front - my son is autistic. I’m probably on the spectrum myself. I am, understandably, in frequent contact with other families with ASD children and adults.
And I can tell you that being on the spectrum does not make this better. ASD individuals almost universally hate disruption to their routine. And not in the sense “Oh, I’d prefer it if this didn’t happen” but in the sense of continual and high level distress.
I know you didn’t mean it as dismissively as it came across, but I’m sure you’ll understand why it could raise the hackles of those on the ASD spectrum and their loved ones who are watching them melt down.
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This is peak virtue-signalling.TGOHF666 said:The RCS says no blacks, no going outish ...
https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1255744205844029440?s=21
(err... I think)1 -
Imagine if it was the other way around...TGOHF666 said:The RCS says no blacks, no going outish ...
https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1255744205844029440?s=21
That said, if it's the right thing to do then it should be done.0 -
You should resubmit your survey being slightly less precious.SandraMc said:I had a survey to fill in from Chichester Theatre which asked me which of the following would make me feel safe about returning to the theatre. The options included deep cleaning, anti-bacterial gel in the loos, seating further apart, taking the temperature of the audience before they entered the building. I answered none of the above and said that the only solution I could see was vaccination.
I felt a bit sorry for myself when I thought of the productions I had booked for and had been looking forward to seeing. Then I remembered how back in January (which seems another lifetime ago) a friend told me how her nephew had just got a key role in a production in Chichester Festival Theatre's summer season and he was excited about getting his big break in the theatre. That production has now been dropped from the schedule.
That's when I feel like crying; when I think of the young people who have had their dreams dashed.
Unless you want them to go out of business.0 -
Video calls for work I've found is the biggest change. Explicitly for the reason it provides more of a personal connection than a regular call. Its funny as the tech has been there for decades but it's never caught on massively despite being a staple of sci fi imaginings of the future.0
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Let's hope the signs of progress in that direction are not chimeras.SandraMc said:I had a survey to fill in from Chichester Theatre which asked me which of the following would make me feel safe about returning to the theatre. The options included deep cleaning, anti-bacterial gel in the loos, seating further apart, taking the temperature of the audience before they entered the building. I answered none of the above and said that the only solution I could see was vaccination.
Also, that whether or not a vaccine is invented or produced here, it should not be prioritised for our own use first but to treat the most pressing points in the *global* pandemic.
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Alternatively if that's the real answer that's what should be put on the survey. I wouldn't agree with her answer, but I wouldn't agree with someone saying they'd vote Corbyn - but that disagreement wouldn't change their vote.Casino_Royale said:
You should resubmit your survey being slightly less precious.SandraMc said:I had a survey to fill in from Chichester Theatre which asked me which of the following would make me feel safe about returning to the theatre. The options included deep cleaning, anti-bacterial gel in the loos, seating further apart, taking the temperature of the audience before they entered the building. I answered none of the above and said that the only solution I could see was vaccination.
I felt a bit sorry for myself when I thought of the productions I had booked for and had been looking forward to seeing. Then I remembered how back in January (which seems another lifetime ago) a friend told me how her nephew had just got a key role in a production in Chichester Festival Theatre's summer season and he was excited about getting his big break in the theatre. That production has now been dropped from the schedule.
That's when I feel like crying; when I think of the young people who have had their dreams dashed.
Unless you want them to go out of business.
If a certain percentage of the theatre's clientelle won't return even with looser social distancing and better hygiene then knowing that could be useful for them.0 -
His Tomship has been made an honorary colonel by the MoD, which puts him on a par with Emily Thornberry. I wonder what he thinks about flags.Jonathan said:
Major Tom surely.MarqueeMark said:Boris wishes
CaptainColonel Tom best wishes for his birthday on breakfast TV.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-524721320 -
If they're removing BAME people from the front line, why not start with men, and particularly older men? Gun -fodder is all they are. To be logical, it should be all BAME males over fifty. Otherwise, it's just virtue-signalling.
Oh, and add in fattys and those with co-morbidity.1 -
Getting the infection level to near zero will change people's confidence in this kind of activity. Hong Kong and Korea have now had a couple of virus free days without a vaccine. We're only in this situation because we screwed up phase I.SandraMc said:I had a survey to fill in from Chichester Theatre which asked me which of the following would make me feel safe about returning to the theatre. The options included deep cleaning, anti-bacterial gel in the loos, seating further apart, taking the temperature of the audience before they entered the building. I answered none of the above and said that the only solution I could see was vaccination.
I felt a bit sorry for myself when I thought of the productions I had booked for and had been looking forward to seeing. Then I remembered how back in January (which seems another lifetime ago) a friend told me how her nephew had just got a key role in a production in Chichester Festival Theatre's summer season and he was excited about getting his big break in the theatre. That production has now been dropped from the schedule.
That's when I feel like crying; when I think of the young people who have had their dreams dashed.1 -
He needs another promotion then......DecrepiterJohnL said:
His Tomship has been made an honorary colonel by the MoD, which puts him on a par with Emily Thornberry. I wonder what he thinks about flags.Jonathan said:
Major Tom surely.MarqueeMark said:Boris wishes
CaptainColonel Tom best wishes for his birthday on breakfast TV.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-524721320 -
Almost all of the things on Cyclefree's list are things that we normally just take for granted. This experience should make us all much more aware of such everyday parts of life, value what we have and fully immerse ourselves in the experiences we enjoy.
Be mindful. Live in the moment. That's all there is.3 -
To think, we could have charged the Duke of Westminster a 0.3% wealth tax and raised just as much for the NHS.Big_G_NorthWales said:A spitfire and hurricane doing a triple pass over Colonel Tom evokes so many memories for me
He and they are an utter inspiration1 -
Fat chance of that , the sheeple will forget quickly.FF43 said:Living with this disease in the medium term depends on everyone maintaining the highest standards of hygiene and not allowing this to stop us doing what we want to do, beyond what is necessary.
Like having a chronic disease, it's not something anyone wants, but once you adjust you can in fact live with it.1 -
As we learn more about how the virus actually spreads, we can move to a more intelligent lockdown. We could start, as per the header photograph, by letting people sunbathe and picnic.
And if speaking loudly increases saliva spray, then pb's teachers can be required to wear masks at all times, and equipped with microphones and speakers.
Question is, do we know enough yet? Perhaps this -- commissioning research to fill in the gaps -- might usefully occupy Dominic Cummings.0 -
I am a friend of chichester fest theatre but have not received this communication yet.geoffw said:
Let's hope the signs of progress in that direction are not chimeras.SandraMc said:I had a survey to fill in from Chichester Theatre which asked me which of the following would make me feel safe about returning to the theatre. The options included deep cleaning, anti-bacterial gel in the loos, seating further apart, taking the temperature of the audience before they entered the building. I answered none of the above and said that the only solution I could see was vaccination.
Also, that whether or not a vaccine is invented or produced here, it should not be prioritised for our own use first but to treat the most pressing points in the *global* pandemic.0 -
There can be no doubt that the wealthy are going to have to pay much more taxAlistair said:
To think, we could have charged the Duke of Westminster a 0.3% wealth tax and raised just as much for the NHS.Big_G_NorthWales said:A spitfire and hurricane doing a triple pass over Colonel Tom evokes so many memories for me
He and they are an utter inspiration0 -
Judging risk is difficult though. How much of a risk is being a certain age, having a certain medical condition or having a BMI of 30? Even if people want to take those risks (and of course you can eliminate the last one) we do not have the information to help us to judge our individual level of risk. I have been advised that I really ought to have a cardiologist look at my VSD as it hasn't had a specialist look at it in 40 years, but God knows when I can get a cardiology appointmentFoxy said:
I think that some others will judge their risks differently, certainly I cannot see my folks jetting off anywhere for a while. I suspect that there will be more than the usual 500 odd season ticket holders not renewing too, some for medical, some for financial reasons.Stocky said:
I`m surprised, but delighted, by your optimism Foxy.Foxy said:Somethings will be quicker than others. I think overseas travel will be very rare this year, but by the autumn, I suspect most things to be back up and running, albeit gingerly and with limited uptake.
My Season Ticket will be renewed for the football as per usual, for example.
I am an optomist by nature though, and in another year this will be history.0 -
Must be time to tear down another statue.TGOHF666 said:0 -
I doubt it'll happen, but a voluntary tax might be a good start.
This happened a few times in the 17th century and actually raised substantial sums of money.1 -
I am a friend Og Chichester Festival Theatre but have not seen this .0
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To be replaced by one of the Unknown NHS Worker.....rottenborough said:
Must be time to tear down another statue.TGOHF666 said:0 -
No doubt they will have to, but much doubt they will be made to or will.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There can be no doubt that the wealthy are going to have to pay much more taxAlistair said:
To think, we could have charged the Duke of Westminster a 0.3% wealth tax and raised just as much for the NHS.Big_G_NorthWales said:A spitfire and hurricane doing a triple pass over Colonel Tom evokes so many memories for me
He and they are an utter inspiration0 -
What would that actually do other than give them false hope?Casino_Royale said:
You should resubmit your survey being slightly less precious.SandraMc said:I had a survey to fill in from Chichester Theatre which asked me which of the following would make me feel safe about returning to the theatre. The options included deep cleaning, anti-bacterial gel in the loos, seating further apart, taking the temperature of the audience before they entered the building. I answered none of the above and said that the only solution I could see was vaccination.
I felt a bit sorry for myself when I thought of the productions I had booked for and had been looking forward to seeing. Then I remembered how back in January (which seems another lifetime ago) a friend told me how her nephew had just got a key role in a production in Chichester Festival Theatre's summer season and he was excited about getting his big break in the theatre. That production has now been dropped from the schedule.
That's when I feel like crying; when I think of the young people who have had their dreams dashed.
Unless you want them to go out of business.
Inaccurate answers would result in a potential over ambitious reopening and more chances of going out of business3 -
A firm in India has rolled the dice on the vaccine being approved, and is going ahead with manufacture already:TGOHF666 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/04/28/world/europe/28reuters-health-coronavirus-india-vaccine.html
Nice to know someone has confidence in the UK and its institutions.0 -
Define wealthy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There can be no doubt that the wealthy are going to have to pay much more taxAlistair said:
To think, we could have charged the Duke of Westminster a 0.3% wealth tax and raised just as much for the NHS.Big_G_NorthWales said:A spitfire and hurricane doing a triple pass over Colonel Tom evokes so many memories for me
He and they are an utter inspiration
Pensioners currently living mortgage free?
Families with salaries over 80k?
People with more than one property?
All of the above?
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There are seats in the Lords on offer, then?Morris_Dancer said:I doubt it'll happen, but a voluntary tax might be a good start.
This happened a few times in the 17th century and actually raised substantial sums of money.0 -
Anyone not me is how most will see it.Jonathan said:
Define wealthy.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There can be no doubt that the wealthy are going to have to pay much more taxAlistair said:
To think, we could have charged the Duke of Westminster a 0.3% wealth tax and raised just as much for the NHS.Big_G_NorthWales said:A spitfire and hurricane doing a triple pass over Colonel Tom evokes so many memories for me
He and they are an utter inspiration
Pensioners currently living mortgage free?
Families with salaries over 80k?
People with more than one property?
All of the above?2 -
£10m to become a life peer - the people who pay won't be any worse than the political appointees.IanB2 said:
There are seats in the Lords on offer, then?Morris_Dancer said:I doubt it'll happen, but a voluntary tax might be a good start.
This happened a few times in the 17th century and actually raised substantial sums of money.0 -
Mr. Jonathan, the focus on how much individuals pay rather than how much is raised is a serious problem.
Tax salaries and the mobile will leave. Tax assets and you get money one-off whilst potentially pushing tens of thousands of pensioners out of their homes (plus discouraging saving isn't great given our very poor rate of it).
I think second properties are the least difficult of those categories you mention, but the focus should be on revenue-raising not hitting people with tax bills.1
