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alterego said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

I really do think the Chinese funnel system is a better way to manage any further wave.

Fever clinic - Isolation hospital - bloods, CT scan and covid 19 swab - stay until discharge with 2 negative swabs plus 14 days quarantine - if deterioration then to Acute hospital.

The system breaks the transmission before the household all get it, thereby decreasing overall numbers, and cases that worsen get identified early and transferred.

That is how the Nightingales should be used. Obviously need better, faster testing too.

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

Sure, but that is the way to manage the condition. The South Koreans manage to quarantine at home, but with much more monitoring. Most importantly have easy access to rapid testing, so that people know whether to isolate or not.

There are times where we really do need to learn from other countries, rather than re-invent the wheel, so that it is a British wheel.

There is a cultural aspect in play here. I believe South Koreans have human rights as a lower interest than we do.

Koreans are particularly keen on rights because they operated under a dictatorship for so long. They have a US-style left, including the current president, which is more than you can say for any other large Asian country.

EPG said:

alterego said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

I really do think the Chinese funnel system is a better way to manage any further wave.

Fever clinic - Isolation hospital - bloods, CT scan and covid 19 swab - stay until discharge with 2 negative swabs plus 14 days quarantine - if deterioration then to Acute hospital.

The system breaks the transmission before the household all get it, thereby decreasing overall numbers, and cases that worsen get identified early and transferred.

That is how the Nightingales should be used. Obviously need better, faster testing too.

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

Sure, but that is the way to manage the condition. The South Koreans manage to quarantine at home, but with much more monitoring. Most importantly have easy access to rapid testing, so that people know whether to isolate or not.

There are times where we really do need to learn from other countries, rather than re-invent the wheel, so that it is a British wheel.

There is a cultural aspect in play here. I believe South Koreans have human rights as a lower interest than we do.

Koreans are particularly keen on rights because they operated under a dictatorship for so long. They have a US-style left, including the current president, which is more than you can say for any other large Asian country.

But they don't mind being tracked so that contacts can be contacted and tested. Not sure if that covers sexual activity but I don't suppose they'd object too much.

EPG said:

alterego said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

I really do think the Chinese funnel system is a better way to manage any further wave.

Fever clinic - Isolation hospital - bloods, CT scan and covid 19 swab - stay until discharge with 2 negative swabs plus 14 days quarantine - if deterioration then to Acute hospital.

The system breaks the transmission before the household all get it, thereby decreasing overall numbers, and cases that worsen get identified early and transferred.

That is how the Nightingales should be used. Obviously need better, faster testing too.

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

Sure, but that is the way to manage the condition. The South Koreans manage to quarantine at home, but with much more monitoring. Most importantly have easy access to rapid testing, so that people know whether to isolate or not.

There are times where we really do need to learn from other countries, rather than re-invent the wheel, so that it is a British wheel.

There is a cultural aspect in play here. I believe South Koreans have human rights as a lower interest than we do.

Koreans are particularly keen on rights because they operated under a dictatorship for so long. They have a US-style left, including the current president, which is more than you can say for any other large Asian country.

Taiwan does too. They also take human rights very seriously, having loved.under the longest continuous Martial Law.im history.

The Corbynites might be out of the driving seat of the Labour Party, but somethings never change, YouGov is according to them still a Tory owned propaganda polling company and that is why the government is getting decent numbers for their handling of the CV situation.

dixiedean said:

EPG said:

alterego said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

I really do think the Chinese funnel system is a better way to manage any further wave.

Fever clinic - Isolation hospital - bloods, CT scan and covid 19 swab - stay until discharge with 2 negative swabs plus 14 days quarantine - if deterioration then to Acute hospital.

The system breaks the transmission before the household all get it, thereby decreasing overall numbers, and cases that worsen get identified early and transferred.

That is how the Nightingales should be used. Obviously need better, faster testing too.

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

Sure, but that is the way to manage the condition. The South Koreans manage to quarantine at home, but with much more monitoring. Most importantly have easy access to rapid testing, so that people know whether to isolate or not.

There are times where we really do need to learn from other countries, rather than re-invent the wheel, so that it is a British wheel.

There is a cultural aspect in play here. I believe South Koreans have human rights as a lower interest than we do.

Koreans are particularly keen on rights because they operated under a dictatorship for so long. They have a US-style left, including the current president, which is more than you can say for any other large Asian country.

Taiwan does too. They also take human rights very seriously, having loved.under the longest continuous Martial Law.im history.

Excellent point! I think I excluded Taiwan because... sorry can't talk any more, let's end the interview here!!! No, because I associated the party system there more with 1 v 2 China, though you are right.

Mexicanpete said:

Foxy said:

alterego said:

Andy_JS said:

The right decision by Trump. The WHO is a joke.

Does anyone monitor its advice and consequences?

WHO declared it a "Public Health Emergency of International significance" on 23rd Jan.

A month later Trump was still calling it a hoax.


Clearly Trump was not monitoring its advice.

Yes, and beggaring belief we have educated PB correspondents praising Trump's decisiveness in withdrawing financial support from the WHO.

Utter madness, and not just from Trump!

Mexicanpete said:

Foxy said:

alterego said:

Andy_JS said:

The right decision by Trump. The WHO is a joke.

Does anyone monitor its advice and consequences?

WHO declared it a "Public Health Emergency of International significance" on 23rd Jan.

A month later Trump was still calling it a hoax.


Clearly Trump was not monitoring its advice.

Yes, and beggaring belief we have educated PB correspondents praising Trump's decisiveness in withdrawing financial support from the WHO.

Utter madness, and not just from Trump!

Trump introduced the China travel ban at the end of January. He was denounced as xenophobic and a racist at the time, but it was the right decision.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1250208263716642819?s=20

alterego said:

dixiedean said:

EPG said:

alterego said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

I really do think the Chinese funnel system is a better way to manage any further wave.

Fever clinic - Isolation hospital - bloods, CT scan and covid 19 swab - stay until discharge with 2 negative swabs plus 14 days quarantine - if deterioration then to Acute hospital.

The system breaks the transmission before the household all get it, thereby decreasing overall numbers, and cases that worsen get identified early and transferred.

That is how the Nightingales should be used. Obviously need better, faster testing too.

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

Sure, but that is the way to manage the condition. The South Koreans manage to quarantine at home, but with much more monitoring. Most importantly have easy access to rapid testing, so that people know whether to isolate or not.

There are times where we really do need to learn from other countries, rather than re-invent the wheel, so that it is a British wheel.

There is a cultural aspect in play here. I believe South Koreans have human rights as a lower interest than we do.

Koreans are particularly keen on rights because they operated under a dictatorship for so long. They have a US-style left, including the current president, which is more than you can say for any other large Asian country.

Taiwan does too. They also take human rights very seriously, having loved.under the longest continuous Martial Law.im history.

Seemingly selective about rights. Who mentioned Taiwan?

Sorry? I don't follow. I mentioned Taiwan as a country which, like S Korea has managed to handle the virus pretty well this far and which is by no stretch of the imagination a repressive totalitarian regime.

alterego said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1250193379490701319?s=20

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1250168740873986050?s=20

I shan't be surprised if Trump gets re-elected and I suspect that not many people will be.

I shan't be surprised if one of the horses in a two horse race wins that race, and I suspect not many people will be.

dixiedean said:

alterego said:

dixiedean said:

EPG said:

alterego said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

I really do think the Chinese funnel system is a better way to manage any further wave.

Fever clinic - Isolation hospital - bloods, CT scan and covid 19 swab - stay until discharge with 2 negative swabs plus 14 days quarantine - if deterioration then to Acute hospital.

The system breaks the transmission before the household all get it, thereby decreasing overall numbers, and cases that worsen get identified early and transferred.

That is how the Nightingales should be used. Obviously need better, faster testing too.

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

Sure, but that is the way to manage the condition. The South Koreans manage to quarantine at home, but with much more monitoring. Most importantly have easy access to rapid testing, so that people know whether to isolate or not.

There are times where we really do need to learn from other countries, rather than re-invent the wheel, so that it is a British wheel.

There is a cultural aspect in play here. I believe South Koreans have human rights as a lower interest than we do.

Koreans are particularly keen on rights because they operated under a dictatorship for so long. They have a US-style left, including the current president, which is more than you can say for any other large Asian country.

Taiwan does too. They also take human rights very seriously, having loved.under the longest continuous Martial Law.im history.

Seemingly selective about rights. Who mentioned Taiwan?

Sorry? I don't follow. I mentioned Taiwan as a country which, like S Korea has managed to handle the virus pretty well this far and which is by no stretch of the imagination a repressive totalitarian regime.

Whoever said that Taiwan is a repressive totalitarian regime?

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

Mexicanpete said:

Foxy said:

alterego said:

Andy_JS said:

The right decision by Trump. The WHO is a joke.

Does anyone monitor its advice and consequences?

WHO declared it a "Public Health Emergency of International significance" on 23rd Jan.

A month later Trump was still calling it a hoax.


Clearly Trump was not monitoring its advice.

Yes, and beggaring belief we have educated PB correspondents praising Trump's decisiveness in withdrawing financial support from the WHO.

Utter madness, and not just from Trump!

Mexicanpete said:

Foxy said:

alterego said:

Andy_JS said:

The right decision by Trump. The WHO is a joke.

Does anyone monitor its advice and consequences?

WHO declared it a "Public Health Emergency of International significance" on 23rd Jan.

A month later Trump was still calling it a hoax.


Clearly Trump was not monitoring its advice.

Yes, and beggaring belief we have educated PB correspondents praising Trump's decisiveness in withdrawing financial support from the WHO.

Utter madness, and not just from Trump!

Trump introduced the China travel ban at the end of January. He was denounced as xenophobic and a racist at the time, but it was the right decision.

And the WHO protested, didn't they?

Daltry was pissed, but Townshend was furious.

I'm not a fan of the WHO, or frankly of the WTO.

alterego said:

dixiedean said:

alterego said:

dixiedean said:

EPG said:

alterego said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

I really do think the Chinese funnel system is a better way to manage any further wave.

Fever clinic - Isolation hospital - bloods, CT scan and covid 19 swab - stay until discharge with 2 negative swabs plus 14 days quarantine - if deterioration then to Acute hospital.

The system breaks the transmission before the household all get it, thereby decreasing overall numbers, and cases that worsen get identified early and transferred.

That is how the Nightingales should be used. Obviously need better, faster testing too.

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

Sure, but that is the way to manage the condition. The South Koreans manage to quarantine at home, but with much more monitoring. Most importantly have easy access to rapid testing, so that people know whether to isolate or not.

There are times where we really do need to learn from other countries, rather than re-invent the wheel, so that it is a British wheel.

There is a cultural aspect in play here. I believe South Koreans have human rights as a lower interest than we do.

Koreans are particularly keen on rights because they operated under a dictatorship for so long. They have a US-style left, including the current president, which is more than you can say for any other large Asian country.

Taiwan does too. They also take human rights very seriously, having loved.under the longest continuous Martial Law.im history.

Seemingly selective about rights. Who mentioned Taiwan?

Sorry? I don't follow. I mentioned Taiwan as a country which, like S Korea has managed to handle the virus pretty well this far and which is by no stretch of the imagination a repressive totalitarian regime.

Whoever said that Taiwan is a repressive totalitarian regime?

I replied to ERG to agree with his point. You asked why I mentioned Taiwan? I answered.

dixiedean said:

alterego said:

dixiedean said:

alterego said:

dixiedean said:

EPG said:

alterego said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

I really do think the Chinese funnel system is a better way to manage any further wave.

Fever clinic - Isolation hospital - bloods, CT scan and covid 19 swab - stay until discharge with 2 negative swabs plus 14 days quarantine - if deterioration then to Acute hospital.

The system breaks the transmission before the household all get it, thereby decreasing overall numbers, and cases that worsen get identified early and transferred.

That is how the Nightingales should be used. Obviously need better, faster testing too.

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

Sure, but that is the way to manage the condition. The South Koreans manage to quarantine at home, but with much more monitoring. Most importantly have easy access to rapid testing, so that people know whether to isolate or not.

There are times where we really do need to learn from other countries, rather than re-invent the wheel, so that it is a British wheel.

There is a cultural aspect in play here. I believe South Koreans have human rights as a lower interest than we do.

Koreans are particularly keen on rights because they operated under a dictatorship for so long. They have a US-style left, including the current president, which is more than you can say for any other large Asian country.

Taiwan does too. They also take human rights very seriously, having loved.under the longest continuous Martial Law.im history.

Seemingly selective about rights. Who mentioned Taiwan?

Sorry? I don't follow. I mentioned Taiwan as a country which, like S Korea has managed to handle the virus pretty well this far and which is by no stretch of the imagination a repressive totalitarian regime.

Whoever said that Taiwan is a repressive totalitarian regime?

I replied to ERG to agree with his point. You asked why I mentioned Taiwan? I answered.

You raised Taiwan and implied that I'd said it was a repressive totalitarian regime. Look up the thread.

alterego said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/joekennedy/status/1250207851324334081?s=20

How long will the Kennedys trade off of Robert's name?

It was his great uncle who became President, his grandfather was denied it after being assassinated

HYUFD said:

alterego said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/joekennedy/status/1250207851324334081?s=20

How long will the Kennedys trade off of Robert's name?

It was his great uncle who became President, his grandfather was denied it after being assassinated

Why do you think I'm not aware? It was the thrust of my post. Incidentally, I know Jack was assassinated too - I just think Robert was the better person all round and would have made a great President..

HYUFD said:

alterego said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/joekennedy/status/1250207851324334081?s=20

How long will the Kennedys trade off of Robert's name?

If Joe Kennedy III wins the Massachusetts Senate race this year and Trump is re elected he becomes the likely next President in 2024 in my view. Goodnight

I've read your post again and can see why you favour donkeys.

FrancisUrquhart said:

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

So a problem with a lot of this stuff where British people seem to be trying hard not to learn from successful countries is that they fixate on superficial details that might be hard to apply and instead of thinking, "how do we change this for our situation but get the same effect", they say, "Asians are weird, it can't happen here, we're sticking with either everybody getting it or staying home forever".

If the policy won't work because the quarantine conditions are too grim (dunno if that's right or not, but for the sake of argument), make the quarantine conditions less grim! The entire hotel sector has stopped. Shutting down the economy is unbelievably expensive, money printer's going brrrrr, there's a blank cheque. So put the contagious people in hotels, make sure they have nice TVs and comfortable beds and good wifi.

edmundintokyo said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I don't disagree, but a bit like the South Korean surveillance for contact tracing, are the British public going to be happy to pop down the clinic with the knowledge if they are found to have it, that they won't be going back to their comfortable bed, with 50" OLED tv, internet, Netflix, etc, they will be on a camp bed in a conference centre for the next 2-3 weeks.

I have a feeling a lot of people won't be happy at that prospect.

So a problem with a lot of this stuff where British people seem to be trying hard not to learn from successful countries is that they fixate on superficial details that might be hard to apply and instead of thinking, "how do we change this for our situation but get the same effect", they say, "Asians are weird, it can't happen here, we're sticking with either everybody getting it or staying home forever".

If the policy won't work because the quarantine conditions are too grim (dunno if that's right or not, but for the sake of argument), make the quarantine conditions less grim! The entire hotel sector has stopped. Shutting down the economy is unbelievably expensive, money printer's going brrrrr, there's a blank cheque. So put the contagious people in hotels, make sure they have nice TVs and comfortable beds and good wifi.

Its not weird Asians. It is Asians have been through SARs and appear to do what is in the best interests with minimal need for the government to drill it into them and are willing to forego comforts in order to achieve this.

In the UK, for weeks we had people ignoring what was in their interests of not dying. Sweden, it seems they have managed a middle way, where they listened to the government and took action.

I am just been realistic about how I think the public would react to certain purposes they would deem inconvenient.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Its not weird Asians. It is Asians have been through SARs and appear to do what is in the best interests with minimal need for the government to drill it into them and are willing to forego comforts in order to achieve this.

In the UK, for weeks we had people ignoring what was in their interests of not dying. Sweden, it seems they have managed a middle way, where they listened to the government and took action.

I am just been realistic about how I think the public would react to certain purposes they would deem inconvenient.

With the exception of HK, most individuals weren't really affected by SARs. What SARs changed was the *government* response.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kazakhstan-china/kazakhstan-summons-chinese-ambassador-in-protest-over-article-idUSKCN21W1AH

Kazakhstan’s foreign ministry summoned the Chinese ambassador on Tuesday to protest over an article saying the country was keen to become part of China, the ministry said.

Coronavirus has painted the moon a sort of orangey-pink colour.