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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Barnesian said:

    That's right. We also need a random serology test of the total population to find out what % have had it and what % were without symptoms. More valuable than your usual YouGov poll.
    A test is coming. And boy do we need it.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079

    "On this basis I have started buying equities."

    Brave. Very very brave.
    Note the date.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,551
    Am hearing that small retailers are starting to suffer as they can't get stock - the large supermarkets are outbidding them.

    Also hearing the courts will shortly close down - not because of lack of judges but lack of security.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012
    I love the stattos on here predicting armageddon. Noone knows the true figs and even if coronavirus was the cause of death ir just a contributing factor.. there are lies liescand damned statistics
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited March 2020

    Get the price down on those Japanese gizmos.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/tonikaarttinen/37421798344/
    I've always been tempted by one of them - I can easily get through three loo rolls in a day just by myself, more if my insides are really playing me up. When your metric switches from "loo rolls per week" to "loo rolls per day" you know you've got problems; once you're on "loo rolls per hour", and I've been there, then no matter how squeamishly British you are talking about these things, it really is time to pop in and have a chat with the doctor folks! Even the "luxury" bog paper really starts to cane if you're getting through it at that rate. I have often wondered if other options might be kinder on my poor backside.

    A friend from the Philippines told me about their tabo but the Japanese toilet was a far more appealing option, not least hygienically. Only thing is, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this putting me off, they look so complicated! How could I work out how to use the thing? Similarly, how to explain it to guests? I also didn't really like the idea of different people who use your bathroom all using that keypad! If I got one I think I'd end up becoming a paranoid user of antiseptic wipes. (Arguably illogical bearing in mind I don't have an equivalent fear of the flush handle, but a keypad used while on the loo just seems a bit "icky" for some reason. When I use someone else's loo I do occasionally take one sheet of loo roll and put that around the flush handle before depressing it, particularly if the cleanliness of the rest of the bathroom is looking questionable!)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533

    Am hearing that small retailers are starting to suffer as they can't get stock - the large supermarkets are outbidding them.

    Also hearing the courts will shortly close down - not because of lack of judges but lack of security.

    Who will jail the looters?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079

    It's worth noting that the Imperial College study assumed 50% of infectees would be asymptomatic or practically asymptomatic.

    If that's lower, then the hospitalisation rates, critical care rates, and death toll would be higher.
    If the asymptomatic rates are higher, then all the above would be lower. But it's worth bearing in mind that the core assumption is already that half of all cases would be asymptomatic.
    It's not only the assumption about the % who are asymptomatic. It is the assumption of how many have been infected. We don't know because we are not testing random samples but only hospital cases.
    [Soory I clicked on off-topic by mistake instead of quote]
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,336

    Cummings appointed Lord High Protector

    Will he ba able to combine this role with that of High Sparrow?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,815

    Who will jail the looters?
    Not sure jail is really required - a good shoeing would be just as effective.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108

    But you don't need to see FTSE 7000 to be a winner buying at 5000. FTSE 6000 is quite possible in a year or two if this burns out rapidly - in which case buying now gives a 20% return in a year potentially.
    The trick now is spotting those companies that have unreasonably been sold down, because lots of people have been selling everything, or selling ETFs or pooled funds that include every company in the index. For example I bought back in to National Grid and so far that looks like a good call. The challenge is that a further turn of bad news on the virus, either in the short term or after a summer respite, could trigger a renewed round of selling.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079

    We are doing, more than almost any other nation - and an increasing amount daily while trying to get more tests available.
    We need random tests too - not just hospital patients and healthcare staff. A sample of say 5,000 random would provide valuable info.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079
    edited March 2020
    repeat
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    Barnesian said:

    That's right. We also need a random serology test of the total population to find out what % have had it and what % were without symptoms. More valuable than your usual YouGov poll.
    I've had the most minor cold symptons you can imagine, no idea if it's a cold, psychoschematic, pre-symptomatic COVID, asymptomatic COVID. I think it's a rinovirus my body can't be bothered to completely finish off as it's untroubled by it but you never know.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    MIAMI, March 19, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- Carnival Corporation & plc (NYSE/LSE: CCL; NYSE: CUK), the world's largest leisure travel company, today announced that select cruise ships from the company's global cruise line brands, including Carnival Cruise Line, Holland America Line, Princess Cruises and P&O Cruises Australia, will be made available to communities for use as temporary hospitals to help address the escalating impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on healthcare systems around the world.

    https://www.carnivalcorp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/carnival-corporation-extends-offer-governments-and-health
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Dutch Health Minister resigns.

    From BBC website.

    Earlier we reported that Bruno Bruins, the minister spearheading the Netherlands' response to the coronavirus outbreak, had collapsed from exhaustion during a debate in parliament on Dutch readiness for the pandemic. The sitting was immediately suspended.

    A day later and the health minister has resigned. Mr Bruins tweeted on Wednesday night that he had fainted because of "exhaustion and intensive weeks" but planned to get back to work on Thursday.

    The reason for his resignation is not yet clear. Another 18 people have died in the Netherlands in the past 24 hours, bringing to 76 the number of fatalities. All are aged 63 to 95.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357
    Boris and the Boffins are back.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    PM and pals up on the podium live on BBC News
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    That's awful. No shame in cancelling the appointments (if they had a suspected case they'd have to shut down) but they should have told people.
    I got through on the phone by dialling a number used for blood test results and then "... press 6 to speak to a member of staff".

    Apparently all routine work has now stopped. If you develop something nasty then phone in and they will phone triage you. Of course, some of the people in the car park where there because no one answers the phone. One man decided after an hour on hold that it was quicker to walk across the road and ask :)
  • booksellerbookseller Posts: 508

    I have though for many years that UBI is a great idea but, unless you want to collapse the currency, it has to be accompanied with higher taxes.
    Yes - I'm not saying we need to bring it in *for good* just for the next three months...see if the world ends (pun intended)
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited March 2020
    Duplicate post
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,386

    We are doing, more than almost any other nation - and an increasing amount daily while trying to get more tests available.
    I know :smile:

    I'm just impatient.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    edited March 2020
    Parish news: one villager wants to volunteer as a shopper for elderly and vulnerable people in our village. So far so laudable. However, she is demanding that the parish council (using taxpayer money of course) indemnify her for loss should she spend money on shopping and fail to recoup it from the person that she purchased it for.

    The parish council is scratching its head over this. Any suggestions?
  • Pulpstar said:

    I've had the most minor cold symptons you can imagine, no idea if it's a cold, psychoschematic, pre-symptomatic COVID, asymptomatic COVID. I think it's a rinovirus my body can't be bothered to completely finish off as it's untroubled by it but you never know.
    Anecdotally, as Barnesian says, this is very common around the country at the moment. I've had extremely minor cold symptoms myself for around the last week.
  • Pulpstar said:

    I've had the most minor cold symptons you can imagine, no idea if it's a cold, psychoschematic, pre-symptomatic COVID, asymptomatic COVID. I think it's a rinovirus my body can't be bothered to completely finish off as it's untroubled by it but you never know.
    I had what seemed to be a heavy cold about a month ago - blocked sinuses (painful), very sore throat. It took about 2 weeks to clear, but is still lingering ever so slightly in the throat.

    I'd travelled through France, and flown back from CdG airport.

    Was that it? Never had a 'cold' like it, barely any runny nose stuff.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Vaccine trials in a month.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296

    MIAMI, March 19, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- Carnival Corporation & plc (NYSE/LSE: CCL; NYSE: CUK), the world's largest leisure travel company, today announced that select cruise ships from the company's global cruise line brands, including Carnival Cruise Line, Holland America Line, Princess Cruises and P&O Cruises Australia, will be made available to communities for use as temporary hospitals to help address the escalating impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on healthcare systems around the world.

    https://www.carnivalcorp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/carnival-corporation-extends-offer-governments-and-health

    Hey! That was my idea!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,981

    I had what seemed to be a heavy cold about a month ago - blocked sinuses (painful), very sore throat. It took about 2 weeks to clear, but is still lingering ever so slightly in the throat.

    I'd travelled through France, and flown back from CdG airport.

    Was that it? Never had a 'cold' like it, barely any runny nose stuff.
    Sounds suspicious. Isn't the lack of a runny nose the big tell-tale sign?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    God he waffles and is difficult to understand I don’t think he has said anything yet
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited March 2020
    Stocky said:

    Parish news: one villager wants to volunteer as a shopper for elderly and vulnerable people in our village. So far so laudable. However, she is demanding that the parish council (using taxpayer money of course) indemnify her for loss should she spend money on shopping and fail to recoup it from the person that she purchased it for.

    The parish council is scratching its head over this. Any suggestions?

    If she's financially struggling herself, fine. If she's relatively well-off, not so laudable.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    nichomar said:

    God he waffles and is difficult to understand I don’t think he has said anything yet

    Today appears to be a holding operation.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357
    nichomar said:

    God he waffles and is difficult to understand I don’t think he has said anything yet

    Maybe nothing new to say at the moment. But the daily press conferences were demanded.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,269
    Stocky said:

    Parish news: one villager wants to volunteer as a shopper for elderly and vulnerable people in our village. So far so laudable. However, she is demanding that the parish council (using taxpayer money of course) indemnify her for loss should she spend money on shopping and fail to recoup it from the person that she purchased it for.

    The parish council is scratching its head over this. Any suggestions?

    Knock on the door of the 5 best houses in the village and ask them to share the indemnity? One of them might even decide to pay for it all!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Target of 250k tests per day. That's an incredible amount if doable.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    Stocky said:

    Parish news: one villager wants to volunteer as a shopper for elderly and vulnerable people in our village. So far so laudable. However, she is demanding that the parish council (using taxpayer money of course) indemnify her for loss should she spend money on shopping and fail to recoup it from the person that she purchased it for.

    The parish council is scratching its head over this. Any suggestions?

    In all honesty, nothing to do with a parish council. She should take a deposit from her customers prior to going to shop for their orders.
  • Sounds suspicious. Isn't the lack of a runny nose the big tell-tale sign?
    It ran a bit, but despite the fact my sinuses were wrecked, not much was happening.

    I don't mean to sound dim, but we knew next to nothing about the symptoms then, and I always get throat infections or the like when flying. I just chalked it up to the usual type of bug that's floating about in late winter.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    IanB2 said:

    Today appears to be a holding operation.
    No, I think he has been quite clever. Today was 'hope' day. The test is coming. We can beat this. Estimate of 12 weeks for the worst.

    Personally, I certainly needed to hear something like that.
  • dr_spyn said:

    Dutch Health Minister resigns.

    From BBC website.

    Earlier we reported that Bruno Bruins, the minister spearheading the Netherlands' response to the coronavirus outbreak, had collapsed from exhaustion during a debate in parliament on Dutch readiness for the pandemic. The sitting was immediately suspended.

    A day later and the health minister has resigned. Mr Bruins tweeted on Wednesday night that he had fainted because of "exhaustion and intensive weeks" but planned to get back to work on Thursday.

    The reason for his resignation is not yet clear. Another 18 people have died in the Netherlands in the past 24 hours, bringing to 76 the number of fatalities. All are aged 63 to 95.

    Dutch aquaintances have told me that the wider public there wasn't entirely appreciative of the 'herd immunity' thing.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    Beth Rigby focused on London again (same yesterday IIRC).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    Target of 250k tests per day. That's an incredible amount if doable.

    with a million more well on the way?

    ah, my coat.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,683

    Without leaking what I have just been leaked I hear it will be an interesting one
    Looks like you were leaked Fake News
  • Stocky said:

    Parish news: one villager wants to volunteer as a shopper for elderly and vulnerable people in our village. So far so laudable. However, she is demanding that the parish council (using taxpayer money of course) indemnify her for loss should she spend money on shopping and fail to recoup it from the person that she purchased it for.

    The parish council is scratching its head over this. Any suggestions?

    Well, if they don't pay her, don't give them their shopping.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    Barnesian said:

    We need random tests too - not just hospital patients and healthcare staff. A sample of say 5,000 random would provide valuable info.
    Have the gold diggers at your Egyptian mine all fallen ill?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Not sure it is a great idea letting the lobby asking 2 questions at a time.

    Rigby appears to have asked same question as LauraK re mixing and more controls.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited March 2020
    Back with the bell-end questions, can you tell people they will be able to go on their summer holidays.

    What do you want them to do, give you an exact hour when this will be solved?

    The media demanded daily press conference, then they waste air on this shit.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    Looks like you were leaked Fake News
    Probably more twitter bollocks.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Barnesian said:

    We need random tests too - not just hospital patients and healthcare staff. A sample of say 5,000 random would provide valuable info.
    Great when we have the capacity. At the minute though we aren't able to test everyone we need to whom is a healthcare worker, that surely has to come first?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    JM1 said:

    @rcs1000 The numbers from Italy are really shooting up at present (5200 new cases today; - not so much in Lombardy or Veneto (though there are still local increases) but in the other provinces that were not part of the initial lockdown. Since Italy went into lockdown on Monday 9th March, do you still expect a peak tomorrow? The numbers are really rising quite sharply, which makes me rather concerned about the efficacy of their lockdown...
    The Italian lockdown is apparently going to get more stringent.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,683

    Target of 250k tests per day. That's an incredible amount if doable.

    If that isn't a U-turn I don't know what is
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357
    edited March 2020



    The Italian lockdown is apparently going to get more stringent.

    Damn. I thought it was already pretty strict.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    If that isn't a U-turn I don't know what is
    It isn't a u-turn, they've been speaking about increasing testing capacity since this began.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    RobD said:

    The Italian lockdown is apparently going to get more stringent.
    Damn. I thought it was already pretty strict.

    Perhaps it is that people aren't sticking to it?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108

    Without leaking what I have just been leaked I hear it will be an interesting one
    Another bum steer.

  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,108

    Arseholes!
    Did you not read their Tuesday email? Subscriptions taken next month repaid by credit later. Thereafter subscription extended but payments suspended.

    Let's not invent monstering beyond their actual conduct.
  • The Italian lockdown is apparently going to get more stringent.

    Oh god, poor Italy. This is horrific.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    If we are facing a 15% hit to GDP surely it would make sense to throw every resource available at making test kits. If we could test a majority of the population over the next three weeks we could probably reduce that GDP hit by 10%!

    Easier said than done I'm sure but it'd make sense.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    Why are the BBC wasting QT with putting on Andy Burnham and a chef.

    Stick Hancock, Mr Yorkshire Tea and the egg-heads on and let the public ask them questions.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,683

    It isn't a u-turn, they've been speaking about increasing testing capacity since this began.
    Was that on the same day they told us not to phone 111 to notify the authorities that you have symptoms?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited March 2020

    Dutch aquaintances have told me that the wider public there wasn't entirely appreciative of the 'herd immunity' thing.
    I pointed out last week that that reaction was to be expected here if we pursued the "herd immunity" approach and was called a "moron" for my trouble.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Boris still refusing to copy France, Spain and Italy in locking down completely.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Italy now 3405 deaths in a month

    vs 3300 road deaths in a year
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Back with the bell-end questions, can you tell people they will be able to go on their summer holidays.

    What do you want them to do, give you an exact hour when this will be solved?

    The media demanded daily press conference, then they waste air on this shit.

    I did think WTF about that question - really? this seems important in the scheme of things???
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    sarissa said:

    Did you not read their Tuesday email? Subscriptions taken next month repaid by credit later. Thereafter subscription extended but payments suspended.

    Let's not invent monstering beyond their actual conduct.
    Sorry, it wasn't the taking of subscriptions I was directing my ire at - it was the precipative dumping of their employees.

    Surely they could at least wait until the end of March to see if the Government can come up with a solution to help bridge the coming period?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Why are the BBC wasting QT with putting on Andy Burnham and a chef.

    Stick Hancock, Mr Yorkshire Tea and the egg-heads on and let the public ask them questions.

    Now that I might watch
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    IanB2 said:

    In all honesty, nothing to do with a parish council. She should take a deposit from her customers prior to going to shop for their orders.
    I agree. Parish Councils are strictly forbidden to pay across money to some people but not others. This would, it seems to me, break the rules. It is also open to corruption - buy either the volunteer or the person that is being helped. I`m hoping they refuse to get involved and advise her to get all of the money upfront. The only thing the Parish Council could do is offer to publicise the initiative.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357
    They have a functional antibody test already?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Have they published today’s figures apart from fatalities.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079
    IanB2 said:

    Have the gold diggers at your Egyptian mine all fallen ill?
    :) CEY share price has dropped in spite of the rise in the price of gold. I'm still holding it. Just in the green. Today I bought GOG (massively oversold and enormous yield) and RIO (Chinese recovery).
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    JM1 said:

    The Italian lockdown is apparently going to get more stringent.
    I suspect it's for the regions outside the 'core zones'. There the numbers are shooting up but not exploding as yet. But I find these new data a bit alarming... On the other hand, it's only 9 days since the lockdown started and, as @rcs1000 pointed out, it takes 10-14 days for new cases to peak. By definition thus we need to wait a little longer to see what's happening but was hoping to see some reduction in the rate of growth today.

    Today's figures from Italy were very disappointing, I agree.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,366

    Was that on the same day they told us not to phone 111 to notify the authorities that you have symptoms?
    It's the aim to add a new different test, an antibody test.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    He seems to know a lot about pregnacny tests lol!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Why are the BBC wasting QT with putting on Andy Burnham and a chef.

    Stick Hancock, Mr Yorkshire Tea and the egg-heads on and let the public ask them questions.

    Andy Burnham is to be fair a good pick for Labour. A former SoS for Health plus since he became Mayor he's been much less of a party hack and has been speaking some sense during this. If he can avoid partisan digs he could have good insight. A large part of that will depend upon the BBC - the chosen questions that are chosen should be sensible ones not partisan ones looking for divisions.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    The number of new cases in Italy is appalling. We really should be seeing the benefit of their lockdown starting to factor in by now.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited March 2020
    "I suspect it's for the regions outside the 'core zones'. There the numbers are shooting up but not exploding as yet. But I find these new data a bit alarming... On the other hand, it's only 9 days since the lockdown started and, as @rcs1000 pointed out, it takes 10-14 days for new cases to peak. By definition thus we need to wait a little longer to see what's happening but was hoping to see some reduction in the rate of growth today."

    Morbid as it is, what are the number of deaths in Italy today ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Johnson still not getting a grip on the panic buying
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207



    Morbid as it is, what are the number of deaths in Italy today ?

    427
  • Floater said:

    427
    Still not under control there.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Andy_JS said:

    Boris still refusing to copy France, Spain and Italy in locking down completely.

    Good sign. Indicates that what they're seeing isn't as bad as some are fearing.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079

    Great when we have the capacity. At the minute though we aren't able to test everyone we need to whom is a healthcare worker, that surely has to come first?
    If we are doing 25,000 a day, a one-off sample of 5,000 for a random test to inform strategy would be well worth it. But it's the serology test we are waiting for. We need to know who had it even if they no longer have the virus. Current tests only pick up live virus.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    Good questions from Lucy Fisher
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    Sounds suspicious. Isn't the lack of a runny nose the big tell-tale sign?
    Problem with any "tell-tale sign" at this stage, is that there isn't a unique identifier for COVID-19 and that infection is still rare, certainly was a couple of weeks back, in comparison to all the other lurgies doing the rounds. Indeed the vast majority of tests, which are currently largely being used on people who seem to have a high chance of having it, are still coming back negative. So while it's true that most people with COVID-19 have a dry cough (I think the Chinese data was only something like 5% had a runny nose?), it wouldn't necessarily be true that the majority of people with dry coughs have COVID-19. If/when COVID-19 becomes much more common, then that kind of "tell-tale" sign is more useful.

    Worth reading this article which helps explain why how well a test works depends not just on the mechanics of the testing device but also the risk group you're testing - one of the reasons why "funneling" people through a sequence of diagnostic checks/tests is often useful. The positive predictive value of "my nose wasn't runny" works better later on in the epidemic for the same reason.

    STOP PRESS: CMO just made the same point I think, when he explained that the tests he's talking about will work better later in the epidemic but didn't want to go into the reasons. Strongly recommend reading the link above.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    DavidL said:

    The number of new cases in Italy is appalling. We really should be seeing the benefit of their lockdown starting to factor in by now.

    If is does not come down massively in a week then there is a real problem, it surely must do because how can the virus infect people if there is no social interaction
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Barnesian said:

    If we are doing 25,000 a day, a one-off sample of 5,000 for a random test to inform strategy would be well worth it. But it's the serology test we are waiting for. We need to know who had it even if they no longer have the virus. Current tests only pick up live virus.
    We aren't at 25k per day yet. We're currently at about 6k per day building to 10, then 25, then targetting 250k.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    If is does not come down massively in a week then there is a real problem, it surely must do because how can the virus infect people if there is no social interaction
    There are probably still social interactions. Going to the shops, for one.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,683

    Johnson still not getting a grip on the panic buying

    Typical British behaviour: Strip the shelves in Lidl then a couple of pints in Spoons

  • Good questions from Lucy Fisher

    It was and not the best answer from Boris

    He is suggesting the chancellor will provide an answer tomorrow after todays meeting with the unions. Let's hope so
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Was that on the same day they told us not to phone 111 to notify the authorities that you have symptoms?
    Yes.

    The issue was that they had too many cases to be able to test them all, demand for testing had exceed the capacity to test but they were working on increasing capacity. If you can only do 3k per day [then, now up to 6k and growing] there's no point having say 30k call 111 demanding a test.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302
    Another idiot in the media (paraphrasing) “will we have hit the peak in 12 weeks or is this all going to be resolved in 12 weeks?”

    Hang on, let me check my crystal ball.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    No, I think he has been quite clever. Today was 'hope' day. The test is coming. We can beat this. Estimate of 12 weeks for the worst.

    Personally, I certainly needed to hear something like that.
    I get the feeling today is certainly one of the days when, if he was doing "as and when needed" briefings he wouldn't have bothered today, but if you commit to doing it daily, then you need to serve something up, and today it was time to serve up some hope and something-to-look-forward-to. And maybe the Queen to serve up a side-order of some resolution, duty and backbone. Quite a nice double-pronged message.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296
    Oh god - waffle, hesitancy, waffle, invention. If only we had Blair as PM right now
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    Oh god - waffle, hesitancy, waffle, invention. If only we had Blair as PM right now

    I know. Who thought daily press conferences would be a good idea?
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    RobD said:

    There are probably still social interactions. Going to the shops, for one.
    Agreed, but compared to 4 weeks ago there is virtually none.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,683

    Good sign. Indicates that what they're seeing isn't as bad as some are fearing.
    Well that's one interpretation.
    Not the one that I would make.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357
    edited March 2020

    Agreed, but compared to 4 weeks ago there is virtually none.
    No, but if everyone in a community is using the same supermarket, you see how it can still spread.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    IshmaelZ said:

    Italy now 3405 deaths in a month

    vs 3300 road deaths in a year

    OK but it's only March. Road deaths might not have put their boots on yet.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296

    Still not under control there.
    Although, worth looking at the chart of cases against a logarithmic scale on Worldometer... Signs that the straight line is beginning curving shallower.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited March 2020
    This situation looks impossible to call both in terms of the length of the economic impact and our public health.

    Either the Italian and Spanish situations are European outliers, which are still not stabilised, or we're all on the road to these greater proportions of serious cases.

    Governments have to plan for both eventualities, and on the economic and testing front ours hasn't done enough for the second possibility yet.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    edited March 2020
    RobD said:

    Probably more twitter bollocks.
    I'd heard the 12 weeks number. Some kind if normality by early summer. "if we all do as we're told". There's a load of crap on twitter about the Army on the streets of London - possible but even in Spain where they're fining T-Rex's people are still going to the shops.

    Its the hope that with tests of new tests we might actually be able to sketch where normality comes back that was the interesting bit. At least for me who is already suffering cabin fever after 2 days WFH...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    OK but it's only March. Road deaths might not have put their boots on yet.
    That is road deaths for the whole of 2017.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045

    Another idiot in the media (paraphrasing) “will we have hit the peak in 12 weeks or is this all going to be resolved in 12 weeks?”

    Hang on, let me check my crystal ball.

    To be fair, it was asking Boris to clarify what he means by "we may have turned the tide in 12 weeks".

    Does "turned the tide" mean we have got to the point where we can release these measures? Or does it mean "we're hitting the peak"?

    Because one means "Back to normal in June." The other means "Could be back to normal in October"
    And if he's giving us a timescale, he should really say what he means by that timescale.
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