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Caol and Mallaig on Highland (Independent defence)
Result of last election to council (2012): Independent 33, SNP 22, Liberal Democrat 15, Labour 8, Non Party Independent 2 (No Overall Control, Independents short by 8)
Result of ward at last election (2012) :
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Surely I can't be first.0
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Yes you are.0
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Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Llama, signed up for the Mk3 game. Made some schoolboy errors with 2, but I'm quite enjoying it anyway. Hope to be somewhere other than Russia (not that the Winter Palace isn't delightful).0 -
Surely I can't be fourth?
Evening folks.0 -
You seem to be doing OK as Russia in MK2, Mr. D. a lot better than I thought you were going to do when I diagnosed your position as "coughing up blood". Then, that is the joy of Diplomacy. It is about diplomacy - relationships, trades, deals, treachery and betrayal. As a Yorkshireman you probably have a built in advantage at the DNA level.Morris_Dancer said:Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Llama, signed up for the Mk3 game. Made some schoolboy errors with 2, but I'm quite enjoying it anyway. Hope to be somewhere other than Russia (not that the Winter Palace isn't delightful).0 -
The Caol and Mallaig bye election hasn't lit up conversation on here has it ....0
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HurstLlama said:
You seem to be doing OK as Russia in MK2, Mr. D. a lot better than I thought you were going to do when I diagnosed your position as "coughing up blood". Then, that is the joy of Diplomacy. It is about diplomacy - relationships, trades, deals, treachery and betrayal. As a Yorkshireman you probably have a built in advantage at the DNA level.Morris_Dancer said:Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Llama, signed up for the Mk3 game. Made some schoolboy errors with 2, but I'm quite enjoying it anyway. Hope to be somewhere other than Russia (not that the Winter Palace isn't delightful).
The only games I am any good at is poker – but this sounds intriguing. Can I watch your game unfold without playing?
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Mr. Llama, I was just relieved not to die off first.0
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Just jump in, Boba. It's slow enough at the beginning to find your feet, and other players will be willing to help (so long as it doesn't clash with their own interests)! I'm enjoying my first game, but then I have gotten ridiculously lucky.BobaFett said:HurstLlama said:
You seem to be doing OK as Russia in MK2, Mr. D. a lot better than I thought you were going to do when I diagnosed your position as "coughing up blood". Then, that is the joy of Diplomacy. It is about diplomacy - relationships, trades, deals, treachery and betrayal. As a Yorkshireman you probably have a built in advantage at the DNA level.Morris_Dancer said:Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Llama, signed up for the Mk3 game. Made some schoolboy errors with 2, but I'm quite enjoying it anyway. Hope to be somewhere other than Russia (not that the Winter Palace isn't delightful).
The only games I am any good at is poker – but this sounds intriguing. Can I watch your game unfold without playing?0 -
You've played an excellent 1st game thus far.Freggles said:
Just jump in, Boba. It's slow enough at the beginning to find your feet, and other players will be willing to help (so long as it doesn't clash with their own interests)! I'm enjoying my first game, but then I have gotten ridiculously lucky.BobaFett said:HurstLlama said:
You seem to be doing OK as Russia in MK2, Mr. D. a lot better than I thought you were going to do when I diagnosed your position as "coughing up blood". Then, that is the joy of Diplomacy. It is about diplomacy - relationships, trades, deals, treachery and betrayal. As a Yorkshireman you probably have a built in advantage at the DNA level.Morris_Dancer said:Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Llama, signed up for the Mk3 game. Made some schoolboy errors with 2, but I'm quite enjoying it anyway. Hope to be somewhere other than Russia (not that the Winter Palace isn't delightful).
The only games I am any good at is poker – but this sounds intriguing. Can I watch your game unfold without playing?0 -
FPT: RobD: I played a lot of Paradox's Hearts of Iron 2/3 (WW2 simulation) and enjoyed it a lot, though it was eating too much time. Sampled EU and one or two others but less interested in the topics. HoI's economic rules are laughable but the political rules are fun, even offering historically accurate leaders for wild what-ifs like a Fascist Britain or a Communist USA.0
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You can indeed Mr. Fett, go to PlayDiplomacy.com and navigate its menu system to watch any game. However, as a spectator sport Diplomacy is pretty damn poor because the real action is in the conversations between the players. The best way to experience the game is to play it.BobaFett said:HurstLlama said:
You seem to be doing OK as Russia in MK2, Mr. D. a lot better than I thought you were going to do when I diagnosed your position as "coughing up blood". Then, that is the joy of Diplomacy. It is about diplomacy - relationships, trades, deals, treachery and betrayal. As a Yorkshireman you probably have a built in advantage at the DNA level.Morris_Dancer said:Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Llama, signed up for the Mk3 game. Made some schoolboy errors with 2, but I'm quite enjoying it anyway. Hope to be somewhere other than Russia (not that the Winter Palace isn't delightful).
The only games I am any good at is poker – but this sounds intriguing. Can I watch your game unfold without playing?
The rules are very simple and can be learned in half an hour. How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet). Remember the game is based around a paradox - it is impossible to win on your own you need other players to help you, but why should they as they also want to win.
So don't bother to watch, if you are interested sign up an play.
P.S. If you are interested in playing then I do recommend you take a look at the late Richard Sharp's book. It si a getting a bit old now and there are lots of resources on the 'net that will give more sophisticated analyses of the game, but as a beginers guide to get a feel for the game I don't think Sharp can be bettered.
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/god.htm0 -
Lansley's NHS reforms are unravelling in a big way.
In brief: the reforms put GPs at the head of smaller commissioning bodies, CCGs, who commission secondary care, but not primary or specialised care. These have been given to the new super-quango, NHS England.
However, NHS England has been unable to manage these duties, so the new head of NHS England, with the backing of Jeremy Hunt, has announced that CCGs can, if they show good plans, start co-commissioning primary care. There will be concern about conflicts of interest, as GPs will be designing how GPs will work with other parts of the system. Others are already pointing out that this represents another step back towards the old model that Lansley shattered.
A link for any interested : http://www.gponline.com/ccgs-invited-bid-primary-care-commissioning-powers/article/12926180 -
Yeah I've watched a few people on YouTube playing HoI (god I should get a life), and it looks pretty fun, but I'm less interested in the more modern Theatre. Victoria is as modern as I get (1836 - 1936).NickPalmer said:FPT: RobD: I played a lot of Paradox's Hearts of Iron 2/3 (WW2 simulation) and enjoyed it a lot, though it was eating too much time. Sampled EU and one or two others but less interested in the topics. HoI's economic rules are laughable but the political rules are fun, even offering historically accurate leaders for wild what-ifs like a Fascist Britain or a Communist USA.
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Mr. D, if you want to go old school you could always play Tabula. Apparently it's a forerunner of backgammon, and Nero had a board fitted to one of his chariots.
I got it from Past Times, before it became focused on the War.0 -
Thanks - there is yet time for it to all go horribly wrong!Pulpstar said:
You've played an excellent 1st game thus far.Freggles said:
Just jump in, Boba. It's slow enough at the beginning to find your feet, and other players will be willing to help (so long as it doesn't clash with their own interests)! I'm enjoying my first game, but then I have gotten ridiculously lucky.BobaFett said:HurstLlama said:
You seem to be doing OK as Russia in MK2, Mr. D. a lot better than I thought you were going to do when I diagnosed your position as "coughing up blood". Then, that is the joy of Diplomacy. It is about diplomacy - relationships, trades, deals, treachery and betrayal. As a Yorkshireman you probably have a built in advantage at the DNA level.Morris_Dancer said:Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Llama, signed up for the Mk3 game. Made some schoolboy errors with 2, but I'm quite enjoying it anyway. Hope to be somewhere other than Russia (not that the Winter Palace isn't delightful).
The only games I am any good at is poker – but this sounds intriguing. Can I watch your game unfold without playing?0 -
Are you Temujin?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. D, if you want to go old school you could always play Tabula. Apparently it's a forerunner of backgammon, and Nero had a board fitted to one of his chariots.
I got it from Past Times, before it became focused on the War.0 -
Mr. Freggles, no. He's my evil twin.0
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Implies I have a friend to play against...Morris_Dancer said:Mr. D, if you want to go old school you could always play Tabula. Apparently it's a forerunner of backgammon, and Nero had a board fitted to one of his chariots.
I got it from Past Times, before it became focused on the War.
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The Highlands report by Harry illustrates perfectly how the introduction of STV has had a beneficial effect on local democracy by removing the "election unopposeds",the curse of the uncontested seat.
STV is working in Scottish local government and could in English and Welsh local government too.
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He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
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Mr. Pulpstar, whilst an utter newcomer I slightly dislike Turkey's disposition in Diplomacy. It seems nigh on certain to fight against Russia, whereas every other country seems to have more diplomatic options with their neighbours.
I could be entirely wrong, of course. I haven't even finished one game yet.0 -
Perhaps the most important evidence yet to concern us about fracking.The Canadian government asked for an independent evaluation which will be released tomorrow.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fracking-s-effect-on-water-not-properly-monitored-report-finds-1.26277090 -
New ways to make the white folks angry:
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/mobile/news-full?ID=85443&cat=80 -
Nah, I have seen Mr. Cooke in action as Turkey, Italy, Germany, England and, I think, Russia. His level of perfidy does not depend on the country he draws. He is just a very good and very dangerous player, trust him at your peril.Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
I'd also suggest that Turkey is not the strongest country. It has some advantages in defence which cannot be denied but defending doesn't win games. To expand Turkey has some real issues to overcome, more so than probably any other country, save Italy.0 -
Visited Mallaig Once. Think it's the port to Skye. Talk of being overshadowed...0
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Interesting comment, Mr. D. Through the mysteries of chance (that bloke Pascal has a lot to answer for) I have played Turkey probably more than any other country, yet I have seldom voluntarily gone to war with Russia in the early stages. Indeed, I have gone a long way to avoiding such a conflict because I think there are more urgent problems to be resolved.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, whilst an utter newcomer I slightly dislike Turkey's disposition in Diplomacy. It seems nigh on certain to fight against Russia, whereas every other country seems to have more diplomatic options with their neighbours.
I could be entirely wrong, of course. I haven't even finished one game yet.0 -
Hurst - many thanks. I will take a look...HurstLlama said:
You can indeed Mr. Fett, go to PlayDiplomacy.com and navigate its menu system to watch any game. However, as a spectator sport Diplomacy is pretty damn poor because the real action is in the conversations between the players. The best way to experience the game is to play it.BobaFett said:HurstLlama said:
You seem to be doing OK as Russia in MK2, Mr. D. a lot better than I thought you were going to do when I diagnosed your position as "coughing up blood". Then, that is the joy of Diplomacy. It is about diplomacy - relationships, trades, deals, treachery and betrayal. As a Yorkshireman you probably have a built in advantage at the DNA level.Morris_Dancer said:Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Llama, signed up for the Mk3 game. Made some schoolboy errors with 2, but I'm quite enjoying it anyway. Hope to be somewhere other than Russia (not that the Winter Palace isn't delightful).
The only games I am any good at is poker – but this sounds intriguing. Can I watch your game unfold without playing?
The rules are very simple and can be learned in half an hour. How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet). Remember the game is based around a paradox - it is impossible to win on your own you need other players to help you, but why should they as they also want to win.
So don't bother to watch, if you are interested sign up an play.
P.S. If you are interested in playing then I do recommend you take a look at the late Richard Sharp's book. It si a getting a bit old now and there are lots of resources on the 'net that will give more sophisticated analyses of the game, but as a beginers guide to get a feel for the game I don't think Sharp can be bettered.
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/god.htm0 -
France is a very nice country, though I'm not in the best position with it.HurstLlama said:
Nah, I have seen Mr. Cooke in action as Turkey, Italy, Germany, England and, I think, Russia. His level of perfidy does not depend on the country he draws. He is just a very good and very dangerous player, trust him at your peril.Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
I'd also suggest that Turkey is not the strongest country. It has some advantages in defence which cannot be denied but defending doesn't win games. To expand Turkey has some real issues to overcome, more so than probably any other country, save Italy.
Its an abomination in 1900 variant though.0 -
Statistically Turkey wins most games followed by Russia, and Italy is the worst draw. There are some stats on this buried somewhere on the playdiplomacy.com site.
Over the years I think that I have won with all the countries apart from Austria, and lost with all the countries. It really is fairly evenly matched, which is why it is such a fascinating game.
For those who love wargaming, look at the games on Android by Joni Nuutinen:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Joni+Nuutinen
When I first got Operation Barbarossa I pulled an all-nighter it was so compelling. Just as well that I was on holiday at the time! It helps to have been brought up on Hex based games as the rules are not too obvious.HurstLlama said:
Nah, I have seen Mr. Cooke in action as Turkey, Italy, Germany, England and, I think, Russia. His level of perfidy does not depend on the country he draws. He is just a very good and very dangerous player, trust him at your peril.Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
I'd also suggest that Turkey is not the strongest country. It has some advantages in defence which cannot be denied but defending doesn't win games. To expand Turkey has some real issues to overcome, more so than probably any other country, save Italy.0 -
It is because you turned on me too early...
Italy is tough to get past the first four centres. Better to work on Germany first, the French eternal enemy.
Playing Diplomacy does give insight into alliances of 1914, though the Ottomans come out more powerful than real life.Pulpstar said:
France is a very nice country, though I'm not in the best position with it.HurstLlama said:
Nah, I have seen Mr. Cooke in action as Turkey, Italy, Germany, England and, I think, Russia. His level of perfidy does not depend on the country he draws. He is just a very good and very dangerous player, trust him at your peril.Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
I'd also suggest that Turkey is not the strongest country. It has some advantages in defence which cannot be denied but defending doesn't win games. To expand Turkey has some real issues to overcome, more so than probably any other country, save Italy.
Its an abomination in 1900 variant though.0 -
Indyref
YouGov/Channel 4
Yes 42% (n/c)
No 58% (n/c)0 -
Indyref
The No campaign's lead:
Sep 2013 - 21.6%
Sep 2013 - 21.4%
Sep 2013 - 19.4%
Oct 2013 - 18.8%
Oct 2013 - 18.4%
Oct 2013 - 18.2%
Nov 2013 - 18.4%
Nov 2013 - 18.0%
Dec 2013 - 17.0%
Dec 2013 - 16.8%
Dec 2013 - 16.4%
Jan 2014 - 14.4%
Jan 2014 - 14.2%
Jan 2014 - 14.2%
Jan 2014 - 15.2%
Feb 2014 - 15.0%
Feb 2014 - 15.5%
Feb 2014 - 15.5%
Feb 2014 - 13.7%
Feb 2014 - 13.3%
Feb 2014 - 14.2%
Mar 2014 - 14.2%
Mar 2014 - 14.5%
Mar 2014 - 14.5%
Mar 2014 - 14.7%
Mar 2014 - 13.8%
Mar 2014 - 13.0%
Mar 2014 - 12.5%
Apr 2014 - 12.5%
Apr 2014 - 12.7%
Apr 2014 - 12.7%
Apr 2014 - 12.3%
Apr 2014 - 11.4%
May 2014 - 11.2%0 -
Ian Birrell @ianbirrell 34m
More voters switching to UKIP from Lib Dems than Labour says @LordAshcroft. V interesting interview http://www.lordashcroft.com/fabian_riddell_28042014.pdf … (via @sundersays)
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Which of these parties do you think best stands up for the interests of Scotland?
SNP 47%
Lab 17%
Con 6%
LD 2%
Grn 1%
UKIP 1%
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/fhj5fuzqb4/UniofCardiff_FoES_Scotland_140422_website_v1.pdf0 -
Can you give us a clue?Stuart_Dickson said:Which of these parties do you think best stands up for the interests of Scotland?
SNP 47%
Lab 17%
Con 6%
LD 2%
Grn 1%
UKIP 1%
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/fhj5fuzqb4/UniofCardiff_FoES_Scotland_140422_website_v1.pdf
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NSDAP ?anotherDave said:
Can you give us a clue?Stuart_Dickson said:Which of these parties do you think best stands up for the interests of Scotland?
SNP 47%
Lab 17%
Con 6%
LD 2%
Grn 1%
UKIP 1%
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/fhj5fuzqb4/UniofCardiff_FoES_Scotland_140422_website_v1.pdf0 -
I've just closed down my YES #IndyRef position at a very nice profit. I love political betting when you win whatever the outcome. I'll be back again if I see value on Betfair.0
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YG 36/30/14/10. The lead has been 5-6 all week, mainly through Con weakness.0
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Thanks for that link, Doc. As someone who was cut his teeth on hex based games they do look rather good and herself has already gone to bed, Barbarossa here I come.foxinsoxuk said:Statistically Turkey wins most games followed by Russia, and Italy is the worst draw. There are some stats on this buried somewhere on the playdiplomacy.com site.
Over the years I think that I have won with all the countries apart from Austria, and lost with all the countries. It really is fairly evenly matched, which is why it is such a fascinating game.
For those who love wargaming, look at the games on Android by Joni Nuutinen:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Joni+Nuutinen
When I first got Operation Barbarossa I pulled an all-nighter it was so compelling. Just as well that I was on holiday at the time! It helps to have been brought up on Hex based games as the rules are not too obvious.HurstLlama said:
Nah, I have seen Mr. Cooke in action as Turkey, Italy, Germany, England and, I think, Russia. His level of perfidy does not depend on the country he draws. He is just a very good and very dangerous player, trust him at your peril.Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
I'd also suggest that Turkey is not the strongest country. It has some advantages in defence which cannot be denied but defending doesn't win games. To expand Turkey has some real issues to overcome, more so than probably any other country, save Italy.
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Or 36/33/14/10. Conflicting tweets!0
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The Express has wrong date on front cover
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FPT
"One of those leaflets suggests that UKIP want to build 7 aircraft carriers. Is that correct?"
One of the things the political class have screwed up the most over the last 30 years is skill training. Private companies generally don't like doing it if they can possibly avoid doing so because they pay for it and then the person they trained gets poached by someone who didn't.
(A bit like the political class getting the 3rd world to train nurses and then poaching them.)
In the past it wasn't so much of a problem because so much of it was done by the nationalized industries and the armed forces.
So one part of the skill training problem was caused by the civilianization of the support functions in the forces.
So when the baddies make up stuff, or maybe in some cases even genuinely report stuff, that sounds like it's too much defense money and unaffordable, don't argue the details, start talking about defense spending in terms of skill training.
defense as a priority plus more skill training - double plus good
It would be worth Ukip deliberately overstating defense aims (a little) to try and draw fire just as an excuse to counter attack on the skill training line.
(ideally the contracts would be combat/trade imo e.g. 2 years combat arm, 1 year trade arm, 5 and 2, 9 and 3 etc.)
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Rob Beasley (sports journo) has tweeted massive news on Mourinho about to break.
Probably going to tell us Jose had some cocoa and has gone to bed.0 -
Evening all and interesting our Highland byelection is the only one tonight. I assume they will count tomorrow given the size of the ward.
The downside about STV council elections in Scotland is that when there is a byelection in these multi-member wards, if the councillor to be replaced isn't the one who came out top in the original election, the candidate from the party which did will almost always win. To that extent saying a party which is defending a 2nd, 3rd or 4th elected councillor vacancy holds or loses the seat is often misleading. In Caol and Mallaig it will probably take longer to drive from one end of the ward to the other than to count the total votes cast.0 -
@Pulpstar
Isn't France considered to be the 'best' acre-for-acre nation in the world, in geopolitical terms? Has loads of borders, huge variety of landscape types, strategically useful position and superb agricultural conditions. Good climate. Someone told me that it's 'worth' more than any other country, were these things quantifiable (which they aren't really!)0 -
I misread that post at first Nigel, my brain probably primed by the Observer's anonymous scoopette weekend before last...nigel4england said:Rob Beasley (sports journo) has tweeted massive news on Mourinho about to break.
Probably going to tell us Jose had some cocoa and has gone to bed.0 -
Richard Howitt MEP @richardhowitt 2m
#UKIP candidate @UEAUnion European hustings responds to audience barracking by saying "You have a right to vote against me. Do it!" #ep20140 -
That's no surprise at all. The Lib Dem vote until 2010 always consisted of a large contingent of the "plague on all your houses" protest vote of people who were just completely alienated from the system, because of issues like immigration and the EU, no matter how counterintuitive that might seem given the Lib Dems' policies on those areas. The middle-class Guardianista stereotype of the Lib Dem vote probably only ever made up about a third of their vote.isam said:Ian Birrell @ianbirrell 34m
More voters switching to UKIP from Lib Dems than Labour says @LordAshcroft. V interesting interview http://www.lordashcroft.com/fabian_riddell_28042014.pdf … (via @sundersays)0 -
Should mention that's in a Europe poll.isam said:Ian Birrell @ianbirrell 34m
More voters switching to UKIP from Lib Dems than Labour says @LordAshcroft. V interesting interview http://www.lordashcroft.com/fabian_riddell_28042014.pdf … (via @sundersays)0 -
To be honest my intention was to link to an interesting interview rather than make a point about the headlinecorporeal said:
Should mention that's in a Europe poll.isam said:Ian Birrell @ianbirrell 34m
More voters switching to UKIP from Lib Dems than Labour says @LordAshcroft. V interesting interview http://www.lordashcroft.com/fabian_riddell_28042014.pdf … (via @sundersays)0 -
The most interesting comment of the evening:
Laura Ingraham @IngrahamAngle 4m
Newsflash...41, 43...45! "George W. Bush to CNN's Jake Tapper: I Hope Jeb Runs"http://www.mediaite.com/tv/george-w-bush-to-cnns-jake-tapper-i-hope-jeb-runs/ …0 -
I have a pet theory about Italy. that it's very widely played incorrectly. I remember reading somewhere there was another country considered weak with lower numbers of victory until a shift in tactics brought it back into line.foxinsoxuk said:It is because you turned on me too early...
Italy is tough to get past the first four centres. Better to work on Germany first, the French eternal enemy.
Playing Diplomacy does give insight into alliances of 1914, though the Ottomans come out more powerful than real life.Pulpstar said:
France is a very nice country, though I'm not in the best position with it.HurstLlama said:
Nah, I have seen Mr. Cooke in action as Turkey, Italy, Germany, England and, I think, Russia. His level of perfidy does not depend on the country he draws. He is just a very good and very dangerous player, trust him at your peril.Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
I'd also suggest that Turkey is not the strongest country. It has some advantages in defence which cannot be denied but defending doesn't win games. To expand Turkey has some real issues to overcome, more so than probably any other country, save Italy.
Its an abomination in 1900 variant though.
I think Italy should ignore Tunisia first turn and focus on opening to Greece, and it would gain a much better chance of victory.
But then (and Nick Palmer observed after playing a few games with me) I tend towards an unconventional set of moves generally.0 -
FPT: May I congratulate @Cyclefree for coming up, on the previous thread, with the best UK political slogan since Labour isn't working:
"Labour really need to stop playing Whack-a-Mole with people's savings."
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Excellent spot, antifrank.antifrank said:New ways to make the white folks angry:
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/mobile/news-full?ID=85443&cat=8
Memo to Nigel Farage: You might want to step in and nip this one in the bud.
Just friendly advice, you understand.0 -
Yet today's only May poll lead is 16%... Havering again stu ?Stuart_Dickson said:Indyref
The No campaign's lead:
Apr 2014 - 12.3%
Apr 2014 - 11.4%
May 2014 - 11.2%0 -
Gotta be Man U, after all Abrahamovich is a sacker, he has form.nigel4england said:
Rob Beasley (sports journo) has tweeted massive news on Mourinho about to break.
Probably going to tell us Jose had some cocoa and has gone to bed.0 -
Think it's spurious rubbish, apparently we have signed Costa for £32mfoxinsoxuk said:Gotta be Man U, after all Abrahamovich is a sacker, he has form.
nigel4england said:Rob Beasley (sports journo) has tweeted massive news on Mourinho about to break.
Probably going to tell us Jose had some cocoa and has gone to bed.
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Mr corporeal,corporeal said:
I have a pet theory about Italy. that it's very widely played incorrectly. I remember reading somewhere there was another country considered weak with lower numbers of victory until a shift in tactics brought it back into line.foxinsoxuk said:It is because you turned on me too early...
Italy is tough to get past the first four centres. Better to work on Germany first, the French eternal enemy.
Playing Diplomacy does give insight into alliances of 1914, though the Ottomans come out more powerful than real life.Pulpstar said:
France is a very nice country, though I'm not in the best position with it.HurstLlama said:
Nah, I have seen Mr. Cooke in action as Turkey, Italy, Germany, England and, I think, Russia. His level of perfidy does not depend on the country he draws. He is just a very good and very dangerous player, trust him at your peril.Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
I'd also suggest that Turkey is not the strongest country. It has some advantages in defence which cannot be denied but defending doesn't win games. To expand Turkey has some real issues to overcome, more so than probably any other country, save Italy.
Its an abomination in 1900 variant though.
I think Italy should ignore Tunisia first turn and focus on opening to Greece, and it would gain a much better chance of victory.
But then (and Nick Palmer observed after playing a few games with me) I tend towards an unconventional set of moves generally.
An Italian start to take Greece requires the consent of both Turkey and Austria to succeed. Why on earth should they agree? No, if Italy has an unconventional opening it must surely be an attack against France, but that still requires Austria to be busy to the East and finding something for its fleet to do - not easy to arrange.
I have never worked out a good line for play for Italy. If it can survive the opening few years it can, in my experience, do well but one needs to be lucky in one's opponents. Now, if the game were to give Italy two fleets and one army at the outset, rather than the other way around, then Italy would be a sparking country to play in the early game.0 -
Tunisia is a cul de sac, but going for Greece turns the Balkans into a 4 way fight that no-one wins...corporeal said:
I have a pet theory about Italy. that it's very widely played incorrectly. I remember reading somewhere there was another country considered weak with lower numbers of victory until a shift in tactics brought it back into line.foxinsoxuk said:It is because you turned on me too early...
Italy is tough to get past the first four centres. Better to work on Germany first, the French eternal enemy.
Playing Diplomacy does give insight into alliances of 1914, though the Ottomans come out more powerful than real life.Pulpstar said:
France is a very nice country, though I'm not in the best position with it.HurstLlama said:
Nah, I have seen Mr. Cooke in action as Turkey, Italy, Germany, England and, I think, Russia. His level of perfidy does not depend on the country he draws. He is just a very good and very dangerous player, trust him at your peril.Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against (if you ever find your self up against a bloke called Andy Cooke remember this - he is charming, a pleasure to meet, a good father, a loving husband, kind to animals and the most devious, back-stabbing bastard on the face of the planet).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
I'd also suggest that Turkey is not the strongest country. It has some advantages in defence which cannot be denied but defending doesn't win games. To expand Turkey has some real issues to overcome, more so than probably any other country, save Italy.
Its an abomination in 1900 variant though.
I think Italy should ignore Tunisia first turn and focus on opening to Greece, and it would gain a much better chance of victory.
But then (and Nick Palmer observed after playing a few games with me) I tend towards an unconventional set of moves generally.0 -
That's one hell of a lot of Coffee. Is Nero or Starbucks better value?nigel4england said:
Think it's spurious rubbish, apparently we have signed Costa for £32mfoxinsoxuk said:Gotta be Man U, after all Abrahamovich is a sacker, he has form.
nigel4england said:Rob Beasley (sports journo) has tweeted massive news on Mourinho about to break.
Probably going to tell us Jose had some cocoa and has gone to bed.
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Well worth £32 mill I think.nigel4england said:
Think it's spurious rubbish, apparently we have signed Costa for £32mfoxinsoxuk said:Gotta be Man U, after all Abrahamovich is a sacker, he has form.
nigel4england said:Rob Beasley (sports journo) has tweeted massive news on Mourinho about to break.
Probably going to tell us Jose had some cocoa and has gone to bed.0 -
I thought in World Cup years the good players didn't sign before they had enhanced their value (personal terms) in the shop window that is the World Cup.Pulpstar said:
Well worth £32 mill I think.nigel4england said:
Think it's spurious rubbish, apparently we have signed Costa for £32mfoxinsoxuk said:Gotta be Man U, after all Abrahamovich is a sacker, he has form.
nigel4england said:Rob Beasley (sports journo) has tweeted massive news on Mourinho about to break.
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Yes, a fascinating interview.isam said:Ian Birrell @ianbirrell 34m
More voters switching to UKIP from Lib Dems than Labour says @LordAshcroft. V interesting interview http://www.lordashcroft.com/fabian_riddell_28042014.pdf … (via @sundersays)
Note this bit:
Ashcroft thinks “UKIP are here to stay – or at least that is their intention. If they were really all about withdrawing from the EU, they would support the only election outcome that could give them the referendum they want, namely a Tory government. The better they do next year, the less likely that is to happen, which suggests their objective is to become a permanent fixture on the political scene.”
Well, quite. Nothing to do with the EU.0 -
I do like the variant where you choose what forces to start with. Italy does best with Naval power, and an early Lepanto.
France is difficult, unless as part of an Italo-English alliance.
That Diplomacy book looks good. Sherlockjr is not doing too well, but is enjoying himself.HurstLlama said:
Mr corporeal,corporeal said:
I have a pet theory about Italy. that it's very widely played incorrectly. I remember reading somewhere there was another country considered weak with lower numbers of victory until a shift in tactics brought it back into line.foxinsoxuk said:It is because you turned on me too early...
Italy is tough to get past the first four centres. Better to work on Germany first, the French eternal enemy.
Playing Diplomacy does give insight into alliances of 1914, though the Ottomans come out more powerful than real life.Pulpstar said:
France is a very nice country, though I'm not in the best position with it.HurstLlama said:
Nah, I have seen Mr. Cooke in action as Turkey, Italy, Germany, England and, I think, Russia. His level of perfidy does not depend on the country he draws. He is just a very good and very dangerous player, trust him at your peril.Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
I'd also suggest that Turkey is not the strongest country. It has some advantages in defence which cannot be denied but defending doesn't win games. To expand Turkey has some real issues to overcome, more so than probably any other country, save Italy.
Its an abomination in 1900 variant though.
I think Italy should ignore Tunisia first turn and focus on opening to Greece, and it would gain a much better chance of victory.
But then (and Nick Palmer observed after playing a few games with me) I tend towards an unconventional set of moves generally.
An Italian start to take Greece requires the consent of both Turkey and Austria to succeed. Why on earth should they agree? No, if Italy has an unconventional opening it must surely be an attack against France, but that still requires Austria to be busy to the East and finding something for its fleet to do - not easy to arrange.
I have never worked out a good line for play for Italy. If it can survive the opening few years it can, in my experience, do well but one needs to be lucky in one's opponents. Now, if the game were to give Italy two fleets and one army at the outset, rather than the other way around, then Italy would be a sparking country to play in the early game.0 -
Yes I thought I had heard that somewhere before!Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, a fascinating interview.isam said:Ian Birrell @ianbirrell 34m
More voters switching to UKIP from Lib Dems than Labour says @LordAshcroft. V interesting interview http://www.lordashcroft.com/fabian_riddell_28042014.pdf … (via @sundersays)
Note this bit:
Ashcroft thinks “UKIP are here to stay – or at least that is their intention. If they were really all about withdrawing from the EU, they would support the only election outcome that could give them the referendum they want, namely a Tory government. The better they do next year, the less likely that is to happen, which suggests their objective is to become a permanent fixture on the political scene.”
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Yes I thought I had heard that somewhere before!
It's a statement of the obvious, like most of what I post here.0 -
This rent cap thing sounds like absolute nonsense to me (ill informed as I am)
Its a free market, the govt should butt out
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MikeK This latest poll from ABC News
http://www.argojournal.com/2014/04/poll-watch-abc-newswashington-post-2016_30.html
•Hillary Clinton (D) 53%
•Jeb Bush (R) 41%
And this from Farleigh Dickinson confirms that Jeb would be mad to run
http://www.argojournal.com/2014/04/poll-watch-fairleigh-dickinson.html•
Hillary Clinton (D) 46%
•Paul Ryan (R) 38%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 46%
•Chris Christie (R) 36%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 48%
•Rand Paul (R) 37%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 49%
•Mike Huckabee (R) 36%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 49%
•Jeb Bush (R) 33%
The Bush name is still toxic, I think Jeb realises this which is why he has passed the mantle to his half-Hispanic son George P who is running for Texas Land Cssioner this year0 -
As a Leicester City fan, I think this a good year to get promoted. Few if any of our players will be in Brazil, while the top half of the premiership will have their players coming back fatigued without a proper break.
Nigel Pearsonwill buy sensibly, he rarely makes a bad buy. Riyad Mahrez is a bargain for £400 000 and adapted easily to English Football. I am really looking forward to our first Premiership season for a decade, and with the best team since the glory days of 15 years ago. Apparently Nigel now has the highest win ratio of any manager in the club history, and the Thais are more patient than most eccentric billionaire owners.philiph said:
I thought in World Cup years the good players didn't sign before they had enhanced their value (personal terms) in the shop window that is the World Cup.Pulpstar said:
Well worth £32 mill I think.nigel4england said:
Think it's spurious rubbish, apparently we have signed Costa for £32mfoxinsoxuk said:Gotta be Man U, after all Abrahamovich is a sacker, he has form.
nigel4england said:Rob Beasley (sports journo) has tweeted massive news on Mourinho about to break.
Probably going to tell us Jose had some cocoa and has gone to bed.0 -
There aren't enough of them!isam said:This rent cap thing sounds like absolute nonsense to me (ill informed as I am)
Its a free market, the govt should butt out
If you cant afford the going rate, apply for a council flat
Meanwhile, totally off topic, I heard on the radio that Townsend is out of the WC. I somehow missed this story completely
It's a big loss for me - exciting, fast player (who plays for his local club!) and loves playing for England
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Doc, I am glad your boy is enjoying the game, it has a lot to teach a teenager that will be of great use in later life - negotiation, treachery and the vital importance of being accurate in ones' writing.
Playing the Frogs in the game comes down to a simple question, "When am I going to war with England?" Unless England is played by a complete idiot France cannot win without a war with England (and visa versa) so the question is when will that war break out and who will start it? Seethe death match for an example.foxinsoxuk said:I do like the variant where you choose what forces to start with. Italy does best with Naval power, and an early Lepanto.
France is difficult, unless as part of an Italo-English alliance.
That Diplomacy book looks good. Sherlockjr is not doing too well, but is enjoying himself.0 -
I rent my flat out and pay rent in the house I live inBobaFett said:
There aren't enough of them!isam said:This rent cap thing sounds like absolute nonsense to me (ill informed as I am)
Its a free market, the govt should butt out
If you cant afford the going rate, apply for a council flat
Meanwhile, totally off topic, I heard on the radio that Townsend is out of the WC. I somehow missed this story completely
It's a big loss for me - exciting, fast player (who plays for his local club!) and loves playing for England
Its down to me how much I charge the people living in my flat and down to the person who owns the house I live in how much they charge me
We have contracts, we are grown ups, what's the prob?
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London was supposed to be the one area of the country where the Tories wouldn't have any problem beating UKIP in the Euro election. And then today's Survation poll puts the Conservatives just 1% ahead of UKIP.0
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I learnt a lot playing Diplomacy and hex based wargames in the late seventies and early eighties, and also in D and D.
Strategic thinking, tactical battling, forward planning, diplomacy, team-working and dealing with some complex probabilities. All good training for life in the NHS.HurstLlama said:Doc, I am glad your boy is enjoying the game, it has a lot to teach a teenager that will be of great use in later life - negotiation, treachery and the vital importance of being accurate in ones' writing.
Playing the Frogs in the game comes down to a simple question, "When am I going to war with England?" Unless England is played by a complete idiot France cannot win without a war with England (and visa versa) so the question is when will that war break out and who will start it? Seethe death match for an example.foxinsoxuk said:I do like the variant where you choose what forces to start with. Italy does best with Naval power, and an early Lepanto.
France is difficult, unless as part of an Italo-English alliance.
That Diplomacy book looks good. Sherlockjr is not doing too well, but is enjoying himself.0 -
You forgot 'Stabbing your apparent friends in the back'.foxinsoxuk said:Strategic thinking, tactical battling, forward planning, diplomacy, team-working and dealing with some complex probabilities. All good training for life in the NHS.
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The other useful lesson was never turn your back on someone who claims that they are there to help!
Office politics...Richard_Nabavi said:
You forgot 'Stabbing your apparent friends in the back'.foxinsoxuk said:Strategic thinking, tactical battling, forward planning, diplomacy, team-working and dealing with some complex probabilities. All good training for life in the NHS.
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Not so Mr Llama, it requires only the consent of one of them if you play it right and they agree because of alliance implications (Austria usually comes to good arrangements with Italy). They each are far more afraid of each other than weak Italy, so the prospect of an extra unit to tip the balance their way in the Balkans is attractive to each (and the fear of you getting what you want from the other is also useful).HurstLlama said:
Mr corporeal,corporeal said:
But then (and Nick Palmer observed after playing a few games with me) I tend towards an unconventional set of moves generally.foxinsoxuk said:It
Pulpstar said:
France is a very nice country, though I'm not in the best position with it.HurstLlama said:Pulpstar said:
He also drew Turkey !HurstLlama said:How easy the game is to win depends on who you are playing against ).
Whi9ch I am convinced is the strongest country - though I haven't had Britain yet.
Its an abomination in 1900 variant though.
An Italian start to take Greece requires the consent of both Turkey and Austria to succeed. Why on earth should they agree? No, if Italy has an unconventional opening it must surely be an attack against France, but that still requires Austria to be busy to the East and finding something for its fleet to do - not easy to arrange.
I have never worked out a good line for play for Italy. If it can survive the opening few years it can, in my experience, do well but one needs to be lucky in one's opponents. Now, if the game were to give Italy two fleets and one army at the outset, rather than the other way around, then Italy would be a sparking country to play in the early game.
Greece is a southern Belgium and should be treated as such. Italy should chase it as much as England does Belgium.
Once in Greece you can still pick up Tunisia in 1902 (no-one else will get to it first) and with a balkan foothold you've got a base for development.
My second choice would be to go Venice-Tyrolia-Bohemia and send that army on a merry wander to see where it ends up (Galicia is very interesting if open).
France is only do-able with Germany doing most of the work, not a fan generally.
The standard conservative opening to Tunisia is an over-emphasis on material rather than position. It means you get shut out of the Balkans permanently and pretty much have to wait and be a scavenger getting crumbs from someone else's victory which doesn't give you the resources to build a strong position before someone bigger comes along.
To Greece I say!
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I think that your getting afraid of the grammar police.AveryLP said:
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They should have used comic sans for maximum annoyancefoxinsoxuk said:I think that your getting afraid of the grammar police.
AveryLP said:My day is complete.
twitter.com/mattsimmonds/status/461904886448553984/photo/1
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You certainly can! Thank you. A lot better than the Venezuelan rubbish.Richard_Nabavi said:FPT: May I congratulate @Cyclefree for coming up, on the previous thread, with the best UK political slogan since Labour isn't working:
"Labour really need to stop playing Whack-a-Mole with people's savings."
I am available for consultation
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A very good comment from OblitusSumMe this morning:
" The chart here suggests that manufacturing is pretty much at the same level now as it was when Osborne came to office. Since that time the figures show it has roughly followed a sine wave of expansion, followed by almost two years of further contraction, and more recently expansion again.
It is a lamentably poor record.
What makes it all the more ridiculous is that if you were to mark the point at which Osborne announced "the march of the makers" in his 2011 budget speech it would be almost precisely when manufacturing reached its most recent maxima and his words were then followed by nearly two years of manufacturing contraction. "
Its a little know fact that Osborne has presided over a longer industrial recession (the six quarters between 2011Q1 and 2012Q2, followed by a single quarter of expansion and then another dip to a low in 2012Q4) than the recession of 1974-1975 (5 quarters), 1980-1981 (5 quarters) and 1990-1991 (5 quarters).
On the narrower manufacturing definition there have been two Osborne recessions - four quarters between 2011Q3 and 2012Q2, a single quarter of expansion and then another two quarters of 2012Q4 and 2013Q1. In comparison the 1974-1975, 1980-1981 and 1990-1991 manufacturing recession were only five quarters each time and 2008-2009 was only four quarters of manufacturing recession.
During his manufacturing recessions Osborne had unlimited money to subsidise consumption (and so indirectly and ironically Chinese tat factories) and has always been willing to find more money to subsidise estate agents and banks.
But all manufacturing received was ever more taxes and regulations and crap such as 'March of the Makers'.
As I say this is little known and especially so among the metropolitan politicians and 'experts'.
But it helps to explain the disdain the likes of Alanbrooke and myself feel towards this government.
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you'refoxinsoxuk said:I think that your getting afraid of the grammar police.
AveryLP said:My day is complete.
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A crackdown to prevent knife-wielding thugs avoiding jail is being opposed by Nick Clegg and senior Lib Dems.
In the week Britain was left stunned by the classroom stabbing of teacher Ann Maguire, the Deputy Prime Minister and senior colleagues flatly refused to support a tightening of the law in private Whitehall talks.
In one letter to Mr Clegg, sent on Tuesday and leaked to the Daily Mail, Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander insists jailing more offenders caught with blades would be too expensive.
In another letter, Lib Dem schools minister David Laws says he is unwilling to support mandatory minimum sentences.
Justice Secretary Chris Grayling has drawn up plans to legislate so that offenders caught more than once with a blade are automatically jailed, according to senior sources.
The review is understood to have been prompted by alarming evidence that thugs are avoiding jail despite repeatedly flouting the law by carrying knives.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2618245/Clegg-bid-block-knife-crackdown-Days-shocking-classroom-murder-Ann-Maguire-Deputy-PM-senior-Lib-Dems-refuse-support-tightening-laws.html#ixzz30VjGM0vg
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@Financier
Mandatory? Why do we pay judges so much? are they old? senile?.
Instead of useless time wasting nonsense, get parliament to have a discussion with the judiciary over more appropriate guidelines.
No laws to pass, just a grown up consensus with other rational adults?
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Off topic:
Antrim Northern Ireland - Day 2 of the internment without trial of Gerry 'St Gerry' Adams aka The Beard.
If it goes deep into a 3rd day conspiracy theories will grow. Protest marches will begin, with tough nut locals in tracktops and brightly coloured trainers being joined by earnest, po-faced silver spoon upper middle-class foreigners with f**k all better to do, banners a forefront in support of this innocent man. People from Belfast to Liverpool, from Derry to Glasgow and maybe even Boston (though they caught on a bit after 9/11) will demand his freedom. Murals of support will be painted in Belfast of a smiling Gerry with barbed wire and shadowy figures behind him.
Stories will leak about the conditions of his incarceration, wall standing sessions lasting hours, beatings, waterboarding or even worse, that he is forced to sleep in a small cell, not his big comfy house and isn't allowed to post things to his blog.
Calls will be made to Tony Blair before it's realised he doesn't count for squat any more. George Galloway will have something new to harp the f**k on about. People will hail Gerry's political genius and success that had nothing to do with his association with blokes with guns.
Talk will turn to 'threats to the peace process' that this internment of Gerry will cause.....whatever that means.
None of this has yet happened and next to none of it will...why is everyone so passive at the arrest of this apparently towering diety of a man.
Too many skeletons....
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If you do play HoI, try playing as Italy, it offers a lot of choices and avoids the requirement to slog through the eastern front. I marched the Italian Army to Cape Town, but with serious logistical and resupply problems0
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You need to look at ALPs link in order to see why I incorrectly used your ;-)Pulpstar said:
you'refoxinsoxuk said:I think that your getting afraid of the grammar police.
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I'm impressed they picked me out (I assume from my browsing history). But I'm a rock solid UKIP vote for 22nd May.AndyJS said:
Does it impress you?anotherDave said:I'm currently being displayed an advert for the Conservatives:
"An in-out referendum on Europe.
Labour and the Lib Dems Won't.
UKIP can't.
We will in 2017.
Vote Conservative on 22nd May."
(When I tried a different browser, with no history/cookies I didn't see the Conservatives advert.)
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