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California. Health Care workers.dixiedean said:
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Not if Bloomberg draws more Republican than Democrat voters and he increasingly despises Bernie toonico67 said:
Bloomberg despises Trump . Running as an independent would help hand him 4 more years .HYUFD said:
With Buttigieg out Bloomberg is probably of the view Biden isn't up to it and Sanders is unelectable so only he can now beat Trump, whether by a comeback to win the Democratic nomination or by an independent run if Sanders gets the nomination, all funded by his vast coffersrottenborough said:
Thanks Mike. Now stand down and give the money to Biden.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1231999095214084098?s=20
https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1232488774694621189?s=20
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Analysis from one country that so far has Covid-19 under control of another country that almost certainly hasn't;
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/coronavirus-time-bomb-americas-uninsured-and-brutal-work-culture0 -
Just topped up on Biden for POTUS.0
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Rhode Island Chicago. Maybe it IS a liberal plot...CarlottaVance said:0 -
Yep. They cracked down on the wild animals in circuses long ago. The bastards.HYUFD said:
Clear shift from M5S to PD there but central Rome is strongly left liberal anywayAndreaParma_82 said:FWIIW (little)
House of Deputies by-election in Italy took place today
Lazio 1 constituency (it is one of the Rome city center constituencies)
Turnout: 17.66%
PD (finance minister Gualtieri) 62.24%
Brothers of Italy/Lega/Forza Italia (candidate was from Brothers of Italy) 26.08%
M5S 4.36%
Communist Party 2.62%
Power to the People 2.41%
People of Families 1.32%
VOLT 0.97%
2018 GE was PD (Gentiloni) 42% Centre-right 30% M5S 17%0 -
Update to non-China infected numbers:
29: 28.3%Chameleon said:
The rough daily infection rates are:
15th Feb-20th Feb: 15%
21-25: 24%
26-27: 24%
28: 24%
1: 25%
Consistent non-China growth, likely to rise when America starts trying to find people. Projecting consistent 26.5% growth (quadrupling in 6.5 days) we get:
2nd: 10.8k
6th (Friday): 27.5k
8th: 44k
12th: 113k
19th: 585k
Obviously it's unlikely to stick at this trend one way or another, but it's an idea of how quickly SHTF.0 -
Brutal. But to stop Bernie Mike needs to walk away now.HYUFD said:
Not if Bloomberg draws more Republican than Democrat voters and he increasingly despises Bernie toonico67 said:
Bloomberg despises Trump . Running as an independent would help hand him 4 more years .HYUFD said:
With Buttigieg out Bloomberg is probably of the view Biden isn't up to it and Sanders is unelectable so only he can now beat Trump, whether by a comeback to win the Democratic nomination or by an independent run if Sanders gets the nomination, all funded by his vast coffersrottenborough said:
Thanks Mike. Now stand down and give the money to Biden.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1231999095214084098?s=20
https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1232488774694621189?s=20
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Night all.0
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Someone with a lot of money, who wants people to think Bloomberg is viable.Andy_JS said:
I can't see Bloomberg's campaign lasting more than about 48 hours. Who's still backing him?rottenborough said:
Lay Bloomberg.MikeSmithson said:
Keep taking his money, it's a public service.0 -
Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up alreadyrottenborough said:
And help deliver their home state.nunu2 said:Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.
https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808
Harris is CA iirc.
A state the Dems win anyway.
So I'm going off Harris.
Female in a large state that leans either way?
Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.
What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?
It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.
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How about a Texan Congresswoman?rcs1000 said:
Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up alreadyrottenborough said:
And help deliver their home state.nunu2 said:Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.
https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808
Harris is CA iirc.
A state the Dems win anyway.
So I'm going off Harris.
Female in a large state that leans either way?
Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.
What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?
It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.0 -
More "Deep State" victimhood coming our way....
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Catherine Cortez Masto is another veepstakes tip that has a lot of value in it.0
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A black woman helps him in North Carolina, Florida, Michigan.rcs1000 said:
Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up alreadyrottenborough said:
And help deliver their home state.nunu2 said:Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.
https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808
Harris is CA iirc.
A state the Dems win anyway.
So I'm going off Harris.
Female in a large state that leans either way?
Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.
What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?
It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.0 -
I'm not sure it makes that much difference to be honest. (And I think NC and Florida are probably out of reach anyway. So it comes down to: would Stacey Abrams move the needs for the Dems in Michigan? And I don't she does.)Gabs3 said:
A black woman helps him in North Carolina, Florida, Michigan.rcs1000 said:
Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up alreadyrottenborough said:
And help deliver their home state.nunu2 said:Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.
https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808
Harris is CA iirc.
A state the Dems win anyway.
So I'm going off Harris.
Female in a large state that leans either way?
Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.
What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?
It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.0 -
I think Pete Buttigieg will be President Biden's Chief of Staff. You heard it here first.2
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Biden is ahead by several points in North Carolina. And while Biden will win the black vote big, he won't generate African American turnout in the was a black VP would.rcs1000 said:
I'm not sure it makes that much difference to be honest. (And I think NC and Florida are probably out of reach anyway. So it comes down to: would Stacey Abrams move the needs for the Dems in Michigan? And I don't she does.)Gabs3 said:
A black woman helps him in North Carolina, Florida, Michigan.rcs1000 said:
Stacey Abrams... but Georgia is probably out of reach, and Biden has the black vote sown up alreadyrottenborough said:
And help deliver their home state.nunu2 said:Why it can't be Mayo Pete as VP for either Biden or Bernie.
https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1234271423914487808
Harris is CA iirc.
A state the Dems win anyway.
So I'm going off Harris.
Female in a large state that leans either way?
Klobuchar is a no, because Minnesota is unlikely to be a swing state in 2020.
What about... Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin?
It was a state Trump narrowly won last time around. And she got more votes in 2018 than Trump got in 2016.0 -
"2024! 2024!" Doesn't sound like Mayor Pete's supporters think the other candidates have a chance against Trump.0
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Joe Biden is 77 years old.dodrade said:"2024! 2024!" Doesn't sound like Mayor Pete's supporters think the other candidates have a chance against Trump.
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- and the youngest male on the Dem ticketedmundintokyo said:
Joe Biden is 77 years old.dodrade said:"2024! 2024!" Doesn't sound like Mayor Pete's supporters think the other candidates have a chance against Trump.
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https://www.fox7austin.com/news/cdc-mistakenly-releases-san-antonio-patient-who-later-tests-positive-for-coronavirus
US going to blow up over the next couple of days.0 -
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So far there have been 20 fatalities outside the 4 countries of China, Iran, South Korea and Italy.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Japan 6
Diamond Princess 6
France 2
USA 2
Australia 1
Philippines 1
Thailand 1
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Per this link it's actually 24 outside of those four countries.Andy_JS said:So far there have been 20 fatalities outside the 4 countries of China, Iran, South Korea and Italy.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Japan 6
Diamond Princess 6
France 2
USA 2
Australia 1
Philippines 1
Thailand 1
Taiwan 1
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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So the USA, having conducted 472 tests has found 89 cases and has had two deaths. Meanwhile the UK has conducted 11,750 tests, found 35 and so far has had no deaths.williamglenn said:0 -
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Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/12341801232445808640 -
Some interesting modelling suggesting that it is just about containable - but only with widespread testing, and prompt isolation of patients:
https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/new-outbreaks-of-coronavirus-can-be-halted-with-isolation-measures-according-to-study
For a sufficiently large outbreak, those assumptions don’t hold.0 -
Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....
https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/12327127648561152000 -
made-up quote, I thinkNigelb said:Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....
https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/12327127648561152000 -
Is COVID-19 receiving ADE from other coronaviruses?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1286457920300344
Abstract
One of the most perplexing questions regarding the current COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic is the discrepancy between the severity of cases observed in the Hubei province of China and those occurring elsewhere in the world. One possible answer is antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of SARS-CoV-2 due to prior exposure to other coronaviruses. ADE modulates the immune response and can elicit sustained inflammation, lymphopenia, and/or cytokine storm, one or all of which have been documented in severe cases and deaths. ADE also requires prior exposure to similar antigenic epitopes, presumably circulating in local viruses, making it a possible explanation for the observed geographic limitation of severe cases and deaths....0 -
Probably.edmundintokyo said:
made-up quote, I thinkNigelb said:Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....
https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/1232712764856115200
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And a thread expressing scepticism about ADE:
https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/12338198614547128330 -
Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.CarlottaVance said:Gracious speech:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1234326312346476544?s=20
If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.
He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.0 -
“Widely hated” overstates it a bit.rcs1000 said:
Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.CarlottaVance said:Gracious speech:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1234326312346476544?s=20
If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.
He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
Klobuchar possibly agreeing with you now....
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/01/amy-klobuchar-rally-canceled-protests-118571
Sen. Amy Klobuchar canceled a rally in her home state Sunday night as several dozen protesters chanted “Black Lives Matter,” “Klobuchar has got to go” and “Free Myon” — referencing the case of a black teenager convicted of murder after a flawed police investigation.0 -
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.0 -
Some detail from Korea:
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200302000144
A total of 71,580 people have tested negative for the virus, with 33,799 more awaiting their test results. Some 31 patients were released from quarantine after making full recoveries.
Health authorities said the number of infections could be expected to climb in the coming days as testing of 210,000 members of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus -- the country’s biggest cluster of infections -- is still underway.
There is a greater possibility of positive results among members of the church’s Daegu branch, compared with those with no ties to the sect, according to the authorities.
Starting Monday, the government began moving patients with mild symptoms to designated community treatment centers based in nonmedical state-run facilities, for quarantine, treatment and care, in the face of a shortage of hospital beds. The patients are categorized in four groups according to their condition. ...0 -
Indonesia joins the party...
https://twitter.com/jakpost/status/1234342088197726208?s=20
Contact traced to Japanese man who was detected in Malaysia0 -
Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?rcs1000 said:
Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.CarlottaVance said:Gracious speech:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1234326312346476544?s=20
If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.
He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.0 -
If Mayor Pete is out then presumably his campaign will no longer object to Bernie's request to recount Iowa, which raises the question of whether Bernie does still want to recount Iowa.0
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OT Wordpress plugins are being attacked according to this report I've not read.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/hackers-are-actively-exploiting-zero-days-in-several-wordpress-plugins/0 -
I think he ran eight years too early. He needed some senate experience first.rcs1000 said:
Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.CarlottaVance said:Gracious speech:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1234326312346476544?s=20
If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.
He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
And he has an unpronounceable name.
Otherwise I agree.1 -
VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?IanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.0 -
I've relaid him to the max.edmundintokyo said:
Someone with a lot of money, who wants people to think Bloomberg is viable.Andy_JS said:
I can't see Bloomberg's campaign lasting more than about 48 hours. Who's still backing him?rottenborough said:
Lay Bloomberg.MikeSmithson said:
Keep taking his money, it's a public service.1 -
I've levelled up on Pete for £2 at 1000 because for this year who the hell knows??MarqueeMark said:
Has anyone ever resurrected a "suspended" campaign?rottenborough said:0 -
The US health care system is also completely un-designed for something of this natureIanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.0 -
Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.DecrepiterJohnL said:
VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?IanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.0 -
He stands for what works.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?rcs1000 said:
Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.CarlottaVance said:Gracious speech:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1234326312346476544?s=20
If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.
He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
He is a pragmatist.
Sadly a that's a characteristic missing from most of the rest of the Democratic field.1 -
Wasn't Iowa recounted, and Mayor Pete's lead increased, last Friday?DecrepiterJohnL said:If Mayor Pete is out then presumably his campaign will no longer object to Bernie's request to recount Iowa, which raises the question of whether Bernie does still want to recount Iowa.
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Yep.IanB2 said:
Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.DecrepiterJohnL said:
VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?IanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.
I'm anticipating a bounce for a short time then another mahooosive crash or prolonged slide as the reality grips.0 -
It's also the only weakness Trump has.Mysticrose said:
The US health care system is also completely un-designed for something of this natureIanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
Survey after survey shows Americans are happy with their government regarding the economy, regarding immigration, regarding law & order, regarding foreign affairs.
The only area where they don't trust Trump is healthcare. @eadric overstates things somewhat, but this really is his Achilles heal. If the outbreak is severe, and the election is fought on healthcare, then Trump loses.0 -
I'm going by the Wikipedia page which says yes, Iowa results were certified on Saturday with a 2-delegate lead for Buttigieg but that Sanders still has an open recount challenge.rcs1000 said:
Wasn't Iowa recounted, and Mayor Pete's lead increased, last Friday?DecrepiterJohnL said:If Mayor Pete is out then presumably his campaign will no longer object to Bernie's request to recount Iowa, which raises the question of whether Bernie does still want to recount Iowa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Iowa_Democratic_caucuses0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Clever pun.0 -
Biden should drop out and endorse Warren.0
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Of true, it is beyond parody.Nigelb said:Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....
https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/12327127648561152000 -
To lose your Chancellor because he has been bullied may be a misfortune.CarlottaVance said:
To lose a Home Secretary because she is a bully would look like a pattern.0 -
I see that for the firt time, the number of recovered is more than half the total of known cases (of that which we cannot talk about):
https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/0 -
Another nutjobeadric said:
Yes, all true.moonshine said:
When you think this through, containment is now really all about flattening the curve until there’s an effective anti viral treatment. That’s it. Because unless Coronavirus shrivels in the sun like the Orcs, the tide is going to break over us sooner or later. No one can win whack a mole forever.eadric said:
You follow my thoughts exactly. The only other African countries which might identify this bug are Morocco and South Africa, to my mind.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is woe virus whilst other African countries do not.eadric said:
Ah, I suspect the journalisural problems which will not help. And very crowded in places.Philip_Thompson said:
Foxy's Tweet does.eadric said:
I never said they have the highest population in Africa?Richard_Tyndall said:
Though that tweet is wrong. Egypt does not have the highest population in Africa. That dubious honour goes to Nigeria with 187 million people - almost twice that of Egypt.eadric said:
Incidentally, Egypt has an insanely oversized population. 100 million??! Anyone who has been there knows it can barely support a fifth of that in any kind of comfort.Foxy said:
Perhaps that is why The Virus has arrived.
They have also just announced their first cases....
Edit. Apologies Nigeria is even more than I thought - 200 million is the latest estimate. 60 years ago it was 45 million.
I reckon in a lot of very poor third world coudia, Pakistan, Bolivia, much of sub Saharan Africa. Will they even notice Covid?
Gilead have the treatment people seem hopeful about. If that one doesn’t end up working then I think it’s time to start getting quite depressed. Because then we’re waiting for a mass produced vaccine. And my uninformed gut tells me that will even harder to develop than a treatment.
Here's what I really think, right now. I've tried not to be fear-mongery today, because others object, but this is my honest point of view.
Basically, we're all gonna get this, in the end. Many if not most of us will get this in the first year. That's why the experts are saying "the worst case scenario is right".
This means tens of thousands dead, maybe hundreds of thousands, in the UK (tho one must remember 600,000 die every year in the UK, anyway).
It will be grim, and it will change the way we think and live, it will not be Doomsday. That's where I am tonight, after a few glasses of wine, as a bipolar PB-er with some vulnerable loved ones.0 -
You give it awayMarqueeMark said:
He's really really old. What else does a narcisistic billionaire spend his billions on at his age?rottenborough said:
Himself. To the tune of billions.Andy_JS said:
I can't see Bloomberg's campaign lasting more than about 48 hours. Who's still backing him?rottenborough said:
Lay Bloomberg.MikeSmithson said:0 -
Dreadful news betting-wise for me about Mayor Pete. My book could only get worse if Emily Thornberry drops out of the Labour leadership contest.1
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George Eustice may be known as George Useless among farmers, but he isn’t going to be sacked just for being dim and incompetent.
Johnson can’t afford to let people think government ministers should know what they’re doing or he will come under threat himself.0 -
Why?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Kamala Harris, surely?rcs1000 said:VP Buttigieg?
Ticks some minority boxes but so does Pete
Performed less well in campaign
Didn’t raise much money
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Where's the fun in that?Charles said:
You give it awayMarqueeMark said:
He's really really old. What else does a narcisistic billionaire spend his billions on at his age?rottenborough said:
Himself. To the tune of billions.Andy_JS said:
I can't see Bloomberg's campaign lasting more than about 48 hours. Who's still backing him?rottenborough said:
Lay Bloomberg.MikeSmithson said:0 -
Who wants a pragmatist at this moment in history?rcs1000 said:
He stands for what works.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?rcs1000 said:
Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.CarlottaVance said:Gracious speech:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1234326312346476544?s=20
If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.
He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
He is a pragmatist.
Sadly a that's a characteristic missing from most of the rest of the Democratic field.0 -
All my puns are clever, awesome, and subtle.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Clever pun.
I am the Punmaster General.0 -
I can see Sanders beating Trump but I’m not sure I can see Bumbling Biden.rcs1000 said:
It's also the only weakness Trump has.Mysticrose said:
The US health care system is also completely un-designed for something of this natureIanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
Survey after survey shows Americans are happy with their government regarding the economy, regarding immigration, regarding law & order, regarding foreign affairs.
The only area where they don't trust Trump is healthcare. @eadric overstates things somewhat, but this really is his Achilles heal. If the outbreak is severe, and the election is fought on healthcare, then Trump loses.
I think if the Dems pick Biden via some convention chicanery then Trump wins.0 -
Except that it is still more likely than not that this becomes normalised as a more severe form of normal flu, and still may subside as the northern hemisphere warms, rather than hundred of thousands of bodies lying in the street as a certain PB’er delights in predicting.Mysticrose said:
Yep.IanB2 said:
Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.DecrepiterJohnL said:
VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?IanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.
I'm anticipating a bounce for a short time then another mahooosive crash or prolonged slide as the reality grips.
The US question is whether its relative inactivity to date hides an Italian-style crisis somewhere along the west coast, remembering that isn’t that long since a Italy only had a few cases. Now that would send markets down.0 -
It would make sensenico67 said:
So you know more than those who work in the NHS ? They wanted to remain in that . Do you seriously think the public will riot if the UK stayed in this . Would this not be proper Brexit!Philip_Thompson said:
I fail to see any reason whatsoever the EU should be meddling in this.CatMan said:Another Brexit benefit:
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1234242149530656768?s=20
This isn't a European issue its a global one. We shouldn't have the EU as some jumped up middleman, we should be coordinating our response locally in line with global coordination via the World Health Organisation whose job it literally is to coordinate that.
Any resources going to the EU for this should be going to the WHO. It makes no difference to us whether someone carrying an epidemic bug is travelling from Milan or Cairo or Berlin or Washington or Paris or Beijing.
But the EU not unless you accept free movement of people
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Me.Casino_Royale said:
Who wants a pragmatist at this moment in history?rcs1000 said:
He stands for what works.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?rcs1000 said:
Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.CarlottaVance said:Gracious speech:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1234326312346476544?s=20
If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.
He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
He is a pragmatist.
Sadly a that's a characteristic missing from most of the rest of the Democratic field.
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That assumes they’ll still be happy about the economy come November.rcs1000 said:
It's also the only weakness Trump has.Mysticrose said:
The US health care system is also completely un-designed for something of this natureIanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
Survey after survey shows Americans are happy with their government regarding the economy, regarding immigration, regarding law & order, regarding foreign affairs.
The only area where they don't trust Trump is healthcare. @eadric overstates things somewhat, but this really is his Achilles heal. If the outbreak is severe, and the election is fought on healthcare, then Trump loses.
That seems... questionable.0 -
True.ydoethur said:George Eustice may be known as George Useless among farmers, but he isn’t going to be sacked just for being dim and incompetent.
Johnson can’t afford to let people think government ministers should know what they’re doing or he will come under threat himself.
Though the official spelling is Euslice.
Which is required to distinguish him from half of the cabinet.0 -
Or the Democrat President will be past it?dodrade said:"2024! 2024!" Doesn't sound like Mayor Pete's supporters think the other candidates have a chance against Trump.
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There is a reasonable probability that it is well beyond the west coast by now.IanB2 said:
Except that it is still more likely than not that this becomes normalised as a more severe form of normal flu, and still may subside as the northern hemisphere warms, rather than hundred of thousands of bodies lying in the street as a certain PB’er delights in predicting.Mysticrose said:
Yep.IanB2 said:
Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.DecrepiterJohnL said:
VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?IanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.
I'm anticipating a bounce for a short time then another mahooosive crash or prolonged slide as the reality grips.
The US question is whether its relative inactivity to date hides an Italian-style crisis somewhere along the west coast, remembering that isn’t that long since a Italy only had a few cases. Now that would send markets down.0 -
Cementing the impression that he us actually a sensible politician. Takes some guts to pull out so close to super Tuesday even though he had so little chance now.williamglenn said:0 -
Unfair criticism of Mr Johnson who has been tirelessly working in his yellow housecoat at the Public Health England Laboratory in Colindale to win the fight against Covid 19.ydoethur said:George Eustice may be known as George Useless among farmers, but he isn’t going to be sacked just for being dim and incompetent.
Johnson can’t afford to let people think government ministers should know what they’re doing or he will come under threat himself.0 -
The free movement of people wouldn't have been quite so bad were it not for our need based rather than contribution based welfare system.Charles said:
It would make sensenico67 said:
So you know more than those who work in the NHS ? They wanted to remain in that . Do you seriously think the public will riot if the UK stayed in this . Would this not be proper Brexit!Philip_Thompson said:
I fail to see any reason whatsoever the EU should be meddling in this.CatMan said:Another Brexit benefit:
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1234242149530656768?s=20
This isn't a European issue its a global one. We shouldn't have the EU as some jumped up middleman, we should be coordinating our response locally in line with global coordination via the World Health Organisation whose job it literally is to coordinate that.
Any resources going to the EU for this should be going to the WHO. It makes no difference to us whether someone carrying an epidemic bug is travelling from Milan or Cairo or Berlin or Washington or Paris or Beijing.
But the EU not unless you accept free movement of people
Institutional overreach1 -
Always next time. Didnt Bernie struggle with Hispanic voters last time?Richard_Tyndall said:
I am really sorry Buttigieg is out. It worries me that he failed to connect with African American voters. Is this because of him or them?rottenborough said:
He does need some high profile job to succeed in the meantime. He wont be s fresh face then.0 -
Philip: Judging by all your posts that I have read, you will never question anything that Johnson et al do. Where is your "red line"?eek said:
The free movement of people wouldn't have been quite so bad were it not for our need based rather than contribution based welfare system.Charles said:
It would make sensenico67 said:
So you know more than those who work in the NHS ? They wanted to remain in that . Do you seriously think the public will riot if the UK stayed in this . Would this not be proper Brexit!Philip_Thompson said:
I fail to see any reason whatsoever the EU should be meddling in this.CatMan said:Another Brexit benefit:
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1234242149530656768?s=20
This isn't a European issue its a global one. We shouldn't have the EU as some jumped up middleman, we should be coordinating our response locally in line with global coordination via the World Health Organisation whose job it literally is to coordinate that.
Any resources going to the EU for this should be going to the WHO. It makes no difference to us whether someone carrying an epidemic bug is travelling from Milan or Cairo or Berlin or Washington or Paris or Beijing.
But the EU not unless you accept free movement of people
Institutional overreach0 -
That's certifiably mad.Nigelb said:Meanwhile, the wise men talk about each other.....
https://twitter.com/realdanlyons/status/12327127648561152000 -
Asia ended up on the day. Facts.eadric said:Australian markets open 2% down. It's gonna be another torrid day
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/02/coronavirus-live-updates-china-latest-news-us-australia-deaths-markets-italy-iran-update-cases1 -
turning up to his first meeting on the matter this morning?Mexicanpete said:
Unfair criticism of Mr Johnson who has been tirelessly working in his yellow housecoat at the Public Health England Laboratory in Colindale to win the fight against Covid 19.ydoethur said:George Eustice may be known as George Useless among farmers, but he isn’t going to be sacked just for being dim and incompetent.
Johnson can’t afford to let people think government ministers should know what they’re doing or he will come under threat himself.0 -
S Korea postpones next school semester for all schools by two weeks to March 23rd.0
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For sure, there have been cases in the North East and Chicago also. But if there's a hidden Italian-style outbreak I'd have thought the odds are it'll be on the west coast.Nigelb said:
There is a reasonable probability that it is well beyond the west coast by now.IanB2 said:
Except that it is still more likely than not that this becomes normalised as a more severe form of normal flu, and still may subside as the northern hemisphere warms, rather than hundred of thousands of bodies lying in the street as a certain PB’er delights in predicting.Mysticrose said:
Yep.IanB2 said:
Yes. Thinking about the markets, I guess we can expect the next plunge when the US, and specifically its popular media, starts worrying about the crisis finally breaking back home.DecrepiterJohnL said:
VP Pence is in charge. The same Pence who refused to act against AIDS and who voted against President Bush's rescue package in the global financial crisis. If the US response is led by a man philosophically opposed to government action then what do you (or what does Trump) expect?IanB2 said:
Basically says that White House wanted to calm markets, paint the whole thing as a third world problem, and knew it didn’t have the will to take the sorts of actions (cordoning off towns, closing facilities etc.) that other countries are taking when they find an outbreak,Nigelb said:Devastating thread o the US response:
https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1234180123244580864
Anyhow pre-markets are now going up.
At least it will put a stop to almost every American due to travel to Europe in the next four months posting questions on travel forums asking whether it is safe.
I'm anticipating a bounce for a short time then another mahooosive crash or prolonged slide as the reality grips.
The US question is whether its relative inactivity to date hides an Italian-style crisis somewhere along the west coast, remembering that isn’t that long since a Italy only had a few cases. Now that would send markets down.0 -
Yes, but you’re in a small minority.Nigelb said:
Me.Casino_Royale said:
Who wants a pragmatist at this moment in history?rcs1000 said:
He stands for what works.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Articulate but what does (or did) Mayor Pete actually stand for?rcs1000 said:
Of course. Although he's widely hated ("Wall Street Pete"), Buttigieg has been the real star of this nomination process. He's been more articulate than any other candidate, and better organised than any bar Sanders.CarlottaVance said:Gracious speech:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1234326312346476544?s=20
If Bloomberg hadn't interjected himself into the process, then I think Buttigieg would be vying with Biden for the role of moderate going into Super Tuesday.
He also, unlike many other candidates (cough, Amy Klobuchar, cough...) knows when to quit.
He is a pragmatist.
Sadly a that's a characteristic missing from most of the rest of the Democratic field.
Most voters aren’t interested at the moment and it’s very difficult to win an election as one.0 -
Both UK and US are up in the pre-markets. I think it'll take breaking bad news to turn today into a torrid market day.matt said:
Asia ended up on the day. Facts.eadric said:Australian markets open 2% down. It's gonna be another torrid day
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/02/coronavirus-live-updates-china-latest-news-us-australia-deaths-markets-italy-iran-update-cases1
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